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Title: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on October 04, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
Typically polemical article by Ewan McKenna in The Times today:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dublins-predictable-win-makes-gaa-the-big-loser-lp5g7sszz?shareToken=7d3f35746e3ce56fc91a1a4b641db378




Dublin's predictable win makes GAA the big loser

Ewan MacKenna
Gaelic football commentary

It was in 2014 that Joachim Löw sat in a press room beneath the Maracana, the Germany football coach's face and his words hiding just what he and his nation had achieved in Brazil. With Germany just proclaimed world champions, it was a title that should have allowed the mask to slip, letting us into the very soul of victory. Only he saw it differently.

"We started this project ten years ago, so this is the result of many years' work," he said matter-of-factly, as if talking about erecting a garden fence. "We've continued that work and our strength has been our constant progress. We'd not made this ultimate step before."

After the colour and chaos of the World Cup that was a beautiful representation of the nation that hosted it, that seemed the wrong ending. Yet, it was a moment that came to mind in the aftermath of this All-Ireland final replay. The game itself may have been brutally brilliant with Mayo showing that the well is deeper than we could ever have imagined and Dublin digging far beyond the frontline to get over the finish, but this too seemed cold and mistaken. Money had bypassed passion.

There are many similarities between Dublin and Germany, the most obvious being a perfect use of endless resources to get to the top, but there are many key differences as well. For instance, some countries can get near to Germany's financial wealth, some countries can match their playing and coaching numbers, and crucially for all Fifa's flaws it never favoured any one nation to the detriment of the game it rules. Consider that for a moment. In the role of director-general since 2008, Paraic Duffy is often heralded and given an easy ride as a productive sports administrator, but think too about the years he's been in the job and the fact he's overseen the biggest case of doping in modern Irish sport. The financial doping that destroyed Leinster and is now destroying our greatest tournament.

By now we know the figures. Last year after a long and similar trend the GAA handed over €1,460,400 to the capital in a games development grant, more than any province combined with only one other county getting even six figures. That is before the €1 million a year special grant given over via the taxpayer and the Irish Sports Council. That is before we get to the fact that their population not only means a player base that dwarfs all others, but it also means a market that allows its sponsorship to dwarf all others. You can be sure that unlike in many places Bernard Brogan and Stephen Cluxton will not be on O'Connell Bridge in the coming months with a bucket asking for loose change to fund their efforts to be the best.

Of course none of this is Dublin's fault, they hve merely excelled off the field as they hve excelled on it. But it is the GAA's fault, for shame.

Therefore, strip away the emotion and fascination of Saturday and what essentially happened was a professional team in almost every way won a trophy contested by amateur opposition. We do not get excited when Manchester City brush past lower-league opposition in the cup, we do not get excited when a Mercedes whizzes past a Force India, so why is this different? When the Simpsons drew Homer in the ring with Drederick Tatum it was comedy yet what we have here is tragedy.

Dublin's players and management are not in the business of entertaining us, they are in the business of winning and they are exceptional at it. Yet, in the aftermath of this latest victory, there was something representative in their dull and carefully dusted words. Brogan could well have been speaking after an O'Byrne Cup game; Dean Rock used more clichés than the points he had kicked in a defining performance; Cluxton ticked the corporate boxes on the steps as he received the trophy. It was a representation of the machine they have become, overtaking the sport they play.

Deep down Dublin fans know this but have long had safeguards. They mention Kilkenny and Kerry when there is no numerical comparison. They mention how close Mayo got, when they have not been beaten in 29 games, most of which are akin to the Harlem Globetrotters humiliating the Washington Generals. They mention how this is a special generation and while it is, so is the next one and the one after that – indeed this final was telling as it was not the special generation that won it, it was instead the next generation with the likes of Rock and substitute Cormac Costello proving decisive. If you find the facts negative or bitter, then you problem is with the facts and with reality and if you do not money makes a telling difference, you really don't understand modern sport.

This is not difficult stuff. In fact after that 2014 World Cup final, sitting on a beach with soccer journalists, they asked about football. From a sphere of monopolisation and big bucks, they laughed at what the GAA had done and what they had made Dublin. But no one who truly cares about and loves the game is laughing now. Sadly, it is fitting that in these years of boom for the minority and bust for the majority in Ireland, the national game has been subjected to the same sort of ultra-capitalism in a ruthless form. The governing body jumped straight into bed with its cash cow and closed the door. All we can now see is the result of what went on.

Still the GAA expect us to lap up relatively tiny projects here and there, such as their €125,000 a year offered to Kildare, Meath, Louth and Wicklow to help with coaching. But smaller counties than Dublin actually need much more money than Dublin to balance out demographic disparity. This is merely loose change being flung at a homeless man to lighten the wallet and change perception. Do not buy that for a minute for they have long since chosen their partner. Aogan O Fearghail may have physically given Cluxton the trophy at the weekend, but his organisation long ago gave it to them.

In 1989 economist Francis Fukayama wrote an essay titled The End of History in which he described the collapse of communism and the triumph of capitalism as the end of mankind's ideological evolution. Across the 2000s though we saw the triumph of capitalism in what is supposed to be an amateur sport, and the result is the end of football's history. Dublin may have predictably won, but the game is the huge loser in all of this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on October 04, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
So true.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 04, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
Just bitterness, the GAA should continue on its current path as we can't be going back to the days of people from the rest of the country enjoying inter county football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on October 04, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Structures, sound financial planning, foresight etc.
You're all just jealous!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on October 04, 2016, 09:01:09 PM
Haters gonna hate
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: snoopdog on October 04, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
The cash cow keeps on giving. It's noore than a lot of people think. Ewan is bang on with this article.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Bord na Mona man on October 04, 2016, 09:21:30 PM
Yizzer just jealous culchies.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 11:21:17 PM
I'm a bleedin' broke culchie.
For every 1 euro given to games development for a young lad in Mayo, €12 is given for a young lad in Dublin.
I'm still recovering from half choking on me slice of treacle cake and milky tea after the supper.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tyssam5 on October 04, 2016, 11:45:08 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

Staggering is not the word for it, apparently I live in Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Beffs on October 04, 2016, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

Maybe I'm being a bit thick, but doesn't that money go towards Games Development Officers in clubs? It doesn't go towards the inter county set up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:05:39 AM
That's the whole point.
It's the money Dublin have to spend on producing players for the inter county set up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 05, 2016, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

Lowest in the country. At least we're winning something.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 05, 2016, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare.

As much as money needed to be pumped into Dublin it is even more badly needed in our other urban areas now which have been practically completely ignored and left to wither on the vine by the top brass.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on October 05, 2016, 01:06:37 AM
Of course games development money should be distributed more evenly but I don't see how it's behind Dublin's four All-Irelands.

The vast majority of their key players were long out of primary school when this project started.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 05, 2016, 08:42:55 AM
The money saved on development can be pumped in elsewhere.

I find those figures very disturbing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on October 05, 2016, 08:45:43 AM
The real problem is that the GAA hierarchy "needed" a successful Dublin football team .  That is a financial reality. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 05, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
The money is per registered player. Not sure how that doesn't show the truth.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on October 05, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

and you've replied ad nauseam on them all...take a break and enjoy 'your' victory
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

and you've replied ad nauseam on them all...take a break and enjoy 'your' victory

Just pointing it out, im not going to get involved in this rubbish again drivin my Spewen McKenna, its agenda driven and doesn't cover the reality on the ground in Dublin. There are better articles from journalists that have written previous articles with exact figures, where the money goes exactly, how it used, playing figures etc. I actually think that Spewans obsession is affecting his mental health and im worried for him. He is also on the Kildare GAA forum spouting as well as trying to infiltrate Res Dubs.

One fund fact that Spewan doesn't mention is this: the fact Dublin employs its own coaching and games administrators, while in all other counties they are employed by the province.

Another fund fact the coaches are mainly used for primary schools and mini leagues and youth player coaching, its a great thing, its great for the children to get them interested in Gaelic games.

I was worried when Tyrone put 8 million pound into a centre of excellence, I thought wow, how can we compete with that , they will dominate etc but no, same with Dublin, its a very very good team but wont last forever.

As I said previously, fair play Dublin and Dublin county board.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
The money is per registered player. Not sure how that doesn't show the truth.

I suspect you won't get a response from any Dub.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2016, 10:02:15 AM
I know it is wrong about Dublin getting so much funding, but are the rest of the county boards so powerless that they can't ask questions as to why not us? Just wondering. Surely it would be no harm in asking for increased funding...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2016, 10:02:15 AM
I know it is wrong about Dublin getting so much funding, but are the rest of the county boards so powerless that they can't ask questions as to why not us? Just wondering. Surely it would be no harm in asking for increased funding...

I just don't know how everyone else has stood back and allowed it to happen.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
The money is per registered player. Not sure how that doesn't show the truth.

I suspect you won't get a response from any Dub.

Show me the figures, the exact figures on registered players vrs other counties.

The primary school coaching would also include no registered players.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: winghalfun on October 05, 2016, 10:13:33 AM
Before this All-Ireland final I would have agreed with the article but now I am not so sure.

This Dublin team are not as great as the sum of all their parts.

They staggered over the line helped by Mayo's naivety/bad luck/poor decision making.  Nothing to do with money.

I'm sure Mickey Harte was ruefully looking on thinking what a missed opportunity.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 05, 2016, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2016, 10:02:15 AM
I know it is wrong about Dublin getting so much funding, but are the rest of the county boards so powerless that they can't ask questions as to why not us? Just wondering. Surely it would be no harm in asking for increased funding...

Seemingly Carlow asked for additional funding for football, were turned down as they had got funding for hurling. Money which Carlow I might add have spent very wisely.

Have been highlighting this for years and the pigs have just grunted at me. Wonder will it get any traction now or will we have to wait till Dublin win a Hurling All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Thy Kingdom Come on October 05, 2016, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
The money is per registered player. Not sure how that doesn't show the truth.

I suspect you won't get a response from any Dub.

Show me the figures, the exact figures on registered players vrs other counties.

The primary school coaching would also include no registered players.

DO you think Primary School kids in the country are registered?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.

Did Dublin build it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2016, 12:19:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 05, 2016, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2016, 10:02:15 AM
I know it is wrong about Dublin getting so much funding, but are the rest of the county boards so powerless that they can't ask questions as to why not us? Just wondering. Surely it would be no harm in asking for increased funding...

Seemingly Carlow asked for additional funding for football, were turned down as they had got funding for hurling. Money which Carlow I might add have spent very wisely.

Have been highlighting this for years and the pigs have just grunted at me. Wonder will it get any traction now or will we have to wait till Dublin win a Hurling All-Ireland.
Disgraceful. Carlow and every other county should be given as much money as possible to develop both codes if they apply for it. It's a shocking indictment of the GAA. As someone else said, it's appealing that nobody in high places shouted stop.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.

Did Dublin build it?

Were Dublin  given it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

my point is it cost over 6million quid. Not exactly peanuts is it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on October 05, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
The money is per registered player. Not sure how that doesn't show the truth.

I suspect you won't get a response from any Dub.

The lad who tweeted this was asked if it included Juvenile Players. His reply was that he wasn't sure.

I can tell you it doesn't include Juvenile Players which is where Games Development Money is spent. He may as well as measured the money against registered taxidermists for all the relevance it has.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.

Did Dublin build it?

Were Dublin  given it?

We'll know when their existing agreements vis a vis training locations have run their course.
The €2 million that was earmarked by the GAA for the Centre of Excellence in Rathcoole has gone into this instead.
The Dubs paid to fit out the gym and have first call on it.
If it's a 'National' centre of excellence why didn't the GAA pay for the gym equipment?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 05, 2016, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.

Did Dublin build it?

Were Dublin  given it?

We'll know when their existing agreements vis a vis training locations have run their course.
The €2 million that was earmarked by the GAA for the Centre of Excellence in Rathcoole has gone into this instead.
The Dubs paid to fit out the gym and have first call on it.
If it's a 'National' centre of excellence why didn't the GAA pay for the gym equipment?

The fitting out of the gym was overseen by Bryan Cullen.

Did I see him on the Dublin bench on Saturday?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 01:14:38 PM
'Not for the first time the GAA has found itself defending an apparent bias in funding towards Dublin. Figures released in the 2014 financial report show that Dublin received €1.46 million for games development – more than the other 31 counties combined'

No doubt this will be spun or ignored.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on October 05, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.

Did Dublin build it?

Were Dublin  given it?

We'll know when their existing agreements vis a vis training locations have run their course.
The €2 million that was earmarked by the GAA for the Centre of Excellence in Rathcoole has gone into this instead.
The Dubs paid to fit out the gym and have first call on it.
If it's a 'National' centre of excellence why didn't the GAA pay for the gym equipment?

The fitting out of the gym was overseen by Bryan Cullen.

Did I see him on the Dublin bench on Saturday?

If Dublin Underage or Adult Squads use a pitch in Abootstown for a session they pay €150 for the privilege. They also pay to use the gym. Not sure of the figure but again its the same for any GAA team who wants to use it. There is a little bit of a difference between renting a facility and being given it for free as is being suggested here.

Ewan's own county Kildare could use these facilities more often, only they spent their money on dodgy property deals and renting an empty apartment for Seanie Johnsone for a couple of years, while also keeping him well stocked with hurleys
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
The money is per registered player. Not sure how that doesn't show the truth.

I suspect you won't get a response from any Dub.

Show me the figures, the exact figures on registered players vrs other counties.

The primary school coaching would also include no registered players.
I really don't know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and I'm tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( That's no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
"Lack of penetration" was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm O'Rourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs don't have this problem to the same degree as they don't start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 05, 2016, 01:54:56 PM
Quote from: Michael Schmeichal on October 05, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: mup on October 05, 2016, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 05, 2016, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

You can replace the word 'build' with 'been given', I think.

Lies. Please call up that centre whatever its called and ask for a full list of teams, ages, gender that have used the pitches and facilities since it opened, let me know how you get on.

And Jinxy its a great facility for Meath teams to use at inter and club level so don't know why you would not be happy with location.

Did Dublin build it?

Were Dublin  given it?

We'll know when their existing agreements vis a vis training locations have run their course.
The €2 million that was earmarked by the GAA for the Centre of Excellence in Rathcoole has gone into this instead.
The Dubs paid to fit out the gym and have first call on it.
If it's a 'National' centre of excellence why didn't the GAA pay for the gym equipment?

The fitting out of the gym was overseen by Bryan Cullen.

Did I see him on the Dublin bench on Saturday?

If Dublin Underage or Adult Squads use a pitch in Abootstown for a session they pay €150 for the privilege. They also pay to use the gym. Not sure of the figure but again its the same for any GAA team who wants to use it. There is a little bit of a difference between renting a facility and being given it for free as is being suggested here.

Ewan's own county Kildare could use these facilities more often, only they spent their money on dodgy property deals and renting an empty apartment for Seanie Johnsone for a couple of years, while also keeping him well stocked with hurleys

You are not really one to start pontificating on Seanie Johnson type transfers considering the make-up of the Dublin u21 panel this year.

Considering how the Dubs profess how great their county board are, how did they not have the foresight to build their own centre of excellence like most other counties have?

But sure why would they.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on October 05, 2016, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
I really don't know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and I'm tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( That's no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
"Lack of penetration" was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm O'Rourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs don't have this problem to the same degree as they don't start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
From my experience, these GPO's that are with most Dublin clubs spend most of their time in primary schools trying to win the battle for youngsters v soccer and rugby. They'll take a regular PE class during school time and teach basic skills to junior/senior infants and encourage them to join the club.

My lad has been with the local GAA club for 6 years has received 2 training sessions at the club from the GPO in that time. (I know they do help arrange the Cul Camp / Summer Camp thingy for 2 different weeks in the summer, but my lad won't go to them.)

From my club's point of view there is a debate each year about whether the cost of the GPO is worth it. (I thought it was the same for any club, that if you put up 50% of the cost, central coffers would fund the rest?). As you can imagine there is plenty of giving out about someone getting paid versus the rest of us volunteers. We've had 3 different GPOs in my time, the first was absolutely useless, the second a complete headcase. The third seems a bit better, although I haven't seen much of him and he's never been at a training session or match involving my son's team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 05, 2016, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 05, 2016, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
I really don't know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and I'm tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( That's no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
"Lack of penetration" was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm O'Rourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs don't have this problem to the same degree as they don't start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
From my experience, these GPO's that are with most Dublin clubs spend most of their time in primary schools trying to win the battle for youngsters v soccer and rugby. They'll take a regular PE class during school time and teach basic skills to junior/senior infants and encourage them to join the club.

My lad has been with the local GAA club for 6 years has received 2 training sessions at the club from the GPO in that time. (I know they do help arrange the Cul Camp / Summer Camp thingy for 2 different weeks in the summer, but my lad won't go to them.)

From my club's point of view there is a debate each year about whether the cost of the GPO is worth it. (I thought it was the same for any club, that if you put up 50% of the cost, central coffers would fund the rest?). As you can imagine there is plenty of giving out about someone getting paid versus the rest of us volunteers. We've had 3 different GPOs in my time, the first was absolutely useless, the second a complete headcase. The third seems a bit better, although I haven't seen much of him and he's never been at a training session or match involving my son's team.

I don't doubt any of that but surely you can see why the rest of us think  its grossly unfair why your county is benefiting from a huge percentage of the funding?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: muppet on October 05, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
That article wasn't a criticism of Dublin. If the GAA offers that money to any other county would they refuse it? Hardly.

The criticism was directed squarely at the GAA. The solution is a well thought out motion to congress, to level the playing field, and not to keep moaning about it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on October 05, 2016, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
That article wasn't a criticism of Dublin. If the GAA offers that money to any other county would they refuse it? Hardly.

The criticism was directed squarely at the GAA. The solution is a well thought out motion to congress, to level the playing field, and not to keep moaning about it.

Who is the GAA ? Do you really believe that its as simple as that. The absolute cronyism in all this is ridiculous. The extent of funding  difference dublin have compared to others when everything is accounted for is f**king mind boggling, its incredible , a different world.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 05, 2016, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
I really don't know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and I'm tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( That's no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
"Lack of penetration" was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm O'Rourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs don't have this problem to the same degree as they don't start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
From my experience, these GPO's that are with most Dublin clubs spend most of their time in primary schools trying to win the battle for youngsters v soccer and rugby. They'll take a regular PE class during school time and teach basic skills to junior/senior infants and encourage them to join the club.

My lad has been with the local GAA club for 6 years has received 2 training sessions at the club from the GPO in that time. (I know they do help arrange the Cul Camp / Summer Camp thingy for 2 different weeks in the summer, but my lad won't go to them.)

From my club's point of view there is a debate each year about whether the cost of the GPO is worth it. (I thought it was the same for any club, that if you put up 50% of the cost, central coffers would fund the rest?). As you can imagine there is plenty of giving out about someone getting paid versus the rest of us volunteers. We've had 3 different GPOs in my time, the first was absolutely useless, the second a complete headcase. The third seems a bit better, although I haven't seen much of him and he's never been at a training session or match involving my son's team.
I thought that in the Dublin area the policy was for the GPO to coach the coaches, as it were and to see that  a uniform coaching system was used throughout the club. I think the idea is that each club availing of the services of A GPO would supply another to be paid by the club.
I don't know if the scheme is well-implemented or not as I don't have a direct link to any club anymore. But when the practice of employing coaches was introduced, one of my ex-pupils was selected and he told me that what he was getting was the equivalent of what would be paid to anyone on a Fás course at the time.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:57:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

my point is it cost over 6million quid. Not exactly peanuts is it


Of course its not peanuts. We are lights years ahead of most in respect of getting our own funding due to ground breaking intitiatives put in place by key people in late 90's. It is easy building funding during the good times which we did do and invested wisely. Its a bigger struggle every year now.

We get very little from the gaa as the stats show. In any event i am not on about tyrone i am on about less successful counties whoi need money and guidance from the gaa if we want to keep this competitive.

The gAA need dublin but dublin need the gaa and its all one way at the minute. Where is the joy in winning a one horse race. I suspect most of your fans who are plastic down care but the true gaa fans will see where this is going
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 06, 2016, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.

Ok I'm going to ask you this once more. I'm a Kildare man and I'm not aware of how much McGeeneys extraordinary wages when he was in Kildare.

Can you provide a link and proof of how much he was supposedly on?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on October 06, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
To be fair to the GAA they realised that the financial health of the association was inextricably linked to having a strong Dublin football team .  It meant big CP crowds , glamour etc.  They channeled those resources accordingly .   

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: mup on October 06, 2016, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.

Ok I'm going to ask you this once more. I'm a Kildare man and I'm not aware of how much McGeeneys extraordinary wages when he was in Kildare.

Can you provide a link and proof of how much he was supposedly on?

Did no one ask him at the Croke Park legends tour ?  ;)

If you want to know ask Kildare County board to open the books but doubt that will happen as they would be terrified of what people would see.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 06, 2016, 08:57:55 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: mup on October 06, 2016, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

Best to ignore spoofers and liars like Spewan McKenna. All he cares about is posting on twitter and slating Dublin, not just on finances but all targets individual players, look at his tweets during the match itself. Never heard him write about McGeeney's extraordinary wages when st Kildare when players had to fund raise to fund their own Gym and in some cases help build it.

Any gentlemen enjoy the winter. Time to focus on the real GAA which is club championship.

Ok I'm going to ask you this once more. I'm a Kildare man and I'm not aware of how much McGeeneys extraordinary wages when he was in Kildare.

Can you provide a link and proof of how much he was supposedly on?

Did no one ask him at the Croke Park legends tour ?  ;)

If you want to know ask Kildare County board to open the books but doubt that will happen as they would be terrified of what people would see.

I'm asking you because you made the allegation.

Or are you just like your old foe 'Spewan' - a spoofer and a liar.

Can you provide the figures or not?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on October 06, 2016, 08:58:23 AM
The Kildare Co Board finances are a separate issue and has a "look over there " element to it.  The bottom line is that a grossly disproportionate amount of money has been pumped in to Dublin by HQ.  The money was put in as people thought there would be a "dividend".  To be honest imho it might be one of the least significant of the great many advantages Dublin now have .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on October 06, 2016, 09:00:06 AM
The Spewan things is unfunny , childish and playing the man . Fwiw I would not be a massive fan of EMK.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on October 06, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on October 05, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 05, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
There has been 42 other threads on this, no need for a new one. Those figures don't show truth in my opinion.

If someone has the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin compared to the rest of the counties please?

Anyway greatest thing Dublin have done, its great to give the resources to the children of the city to promote our national game. Well done Dublin county board.

With 42 other threads on this, would the stats of how many 7 to 18 years old play in Dublin not be in at least one of them, your Grace?

Unfortunately all the other threads are full of incorrect stats, ignorant posters, people who don't live in Dublin or surrounding areas, not members of Dublin clubs or have children in Dublin clubs and also their hate for Dublin blinds them to the truth and are blind to the true reality on the ground in Dublin. My mate is a GDO, I asked him what he did, il transfer to this later today but gives a good insight to what he does and it mainly focuses around primary schools. Its really a great initiative to get children interested in our national games in the countries biggest cosmopolitan areas of the capital.

In fairness, I think that's what most people's idea of a GDOs. The net effect of what you describe though is that more young players join clubs and that filters up to the county team.  I understand the idea of it in the wider context of dublin being a big "battleground" for the GAA against rugby/soccer but they should try spreading out the spending a bit more to create a bit of balance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on October 06, 2016, 09:04:20 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:57:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 05, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 05, 2016, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on October 05, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
The 3 lowest teams there are 3 of the biggest underachievers in recent years in terms of population in Cork, Galway and Kildare. Kerry are doing ok but they have massive revenue from sponsorship and donations. Meath's and Down are two other teams who should be getting better looked after. Tyrone and Donegal are doing very well with limited support but they have good income streams.

how much did the Garvaghey Cebtre cost?

Its an absolute disgrace and its been going on for years. Even the NFL the most professional organisation going have a system in place to try and level the playing field. The GAA will sit and do nothing until its too late.

I don't know what garvaghey to do with it. We have a good system in place for raising funds from supporters and have loans which are being paid back? Whats your point about Garvaghey. Dublin have just build a fracility that dwarfs it

my point is it cost over 6million quid. Not exactly peanuts is it


Of course its not peanuts. We are lights years ahead of most in respect of getting our own funding due to ground breaking intitiatives put in place by key people in late 90's. It is easy building funding during the good times which we did do and invested wisely. Its a bigger struggle every year now.

We get very little from the gaa as the stats show. In any event i am not on about tyrone i am on about less successful counties whoi need money and guidance from the gaa if we want to keep this competitive.

The gAA need dublin but dublin need the gaa and its all one way at the minute. Where is the joy in winning a one horse race. I suspect most of your fans who are plastic down care but the true gaa fans will see where this is going

fair enough, i was reading there and seen a lot of it was self funding and not handouts, thats great.
And, Im from Armagh although we have had our fair share of plastic fans in the past
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 06, 2016, 11:07:30 AM
So one county accounts for over 50% of the GDO funding but the rest of us who think this is unfair are just ignorant.  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 06, 2016, 11:47:19 AM
Quote from: Hound on October 05, 2016, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
I really don't know how many young kids are playing Gaelic football in Dublin but a report (and I'm tired of referring to it) came out in the early 90s.
Central Council had been worries by the high dropout rate of kids in the Dublin area and to compare that with other counties. ( That's no well put I know but its meaning should be clear enough.)
"Lack of penetration" was the buzz term then.
There was a huge number of very young kids playing at the lowest (youngest) level but the numbers decreased dramatically as the youngsters moved up through the ranks. CC felt that the earlier a kid dropped out, the less the chances f him or her taking part in club activity of any sort. In effect they were being lost to the GAA.
The committee (including Eugene McGee and Colm O'Rourke) reported back that there were five Dublin clubs who each could field more juvenile players that any one of five different counties.
Accepting that there is always a natural fall out rate as kids grow older, the report concluded that the problem was exacerbated in Dublin because superclubs tend to discard players as the number of teams fielded decrease as kids grow older.
Smaller clubs don't have this problem to the same degree as they don't start off with the same number of u10s or other very young age groups.
Many kids are forced to drop out against their will and as a result many who leave  bear a resentment to their former clubs. 
As usual, the report was not acted upon but  the problems as outlined have become very much worse.
From my experience, these GPO's that are with most Dublin clubs spend most of their time in primary schools trying to win the battle for youngsters v soccer and rugby. They'll take a regular PE class during school time and teach basic skills to junior/senior infants and encourage them to join the club.

My lad has been with the local GAA club for 6 years has received 2 training sessions at the club from the GPO in that time. (I know they do help arrange the Cul Camp / Summer Camp thingy for 2 different weeks in the summer, but my lad won't go to them.)

From my club's point of view there is a debate each year about whether the cost of the GPO is worth it. (I thought it was the same for any club, that if you put up 50% of the cost, central coffers would fund the rest?). As you can imagine there is plenty of giving out about someone getting paid versus the rest of us volunteers. We've had 3 different GPOs in my time, the first was absolutely useless, the second a complete headcase. The third seems a bit better, although I haven't seen much of him and he's never been at a training session or match involving my son's team.

The GPOs in Dublin are in the main with the larger clubs and that in itself means they have multiple primary schools to get around to. In the clubs themselves, they mainly concentrate on running the coaching courses in the club, the camps during the summer and overseeing the nurseries on Saturday mornings. I've seen them help out with fitness tests with the various teams in the clubs too and they can be lent on to coach one of the senior teams if they are fresh in the door. They usually have other employment/studies on the go as well.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 06, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
I think the GDO's and how they work just isn't working. Looking from the outside it just seems an attempt at the GAA to get kids interested in the sport and keep them away from other sports in Dublin.  I don't think its much as an advantage to Dublin as many are making out; The money would be better spent elsewhere.

We have a GDO over here, he's a brilliant coach and great at his job but I think we'd all benefit a lot more if the money was given directly to the clubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2016, 12:15:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuE12upXEAA0OHr?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: westbound on October 06, 2016, 12:32:42 PM
That's a good graphic ballinaman.

There is also another (probably more relevant) graphic of the breakdown of spending per registered player (or club member - I can't quite remember which).
Can you put up that one too?

Thanks
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 12:34:37 PM
A picture of Ireland with some numbers on it, wow, show me signed off audited accounts and expenses and wages for all councils and county boards, then we can have a discussion.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2016, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 12:34:37 PM
A picture of Ireland with some numbers on it, wow, show me signed off audited accounts and expenses and wages for all councils and county boards, then we can have a discussion.
Read the top of the graph. More than numbers there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2016, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 12:34:37 PM
A picture of Ireland with some numbers on it, wow, show me signed off audited accounts and expenses and wages for all councils and county boards, then we can have a discussion.
Read the top of the graph. More than numbers there.

I did, what official signed off accounts did this come from. There is no letterhead or logo at the top. And its just a basic graph that shows Dublin got more, of course Dublin gets the most funding, there is a thing called a capital city and within this city usually contains a large population, schools, clubs, etc.

Lets discuss the mismanagement of finances of county boards over the last 20 years? Might start a new thread on it and include why no plan or vision put forward ever by some county boards.!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 06, 2016, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 06, 2016, 12:34:37 PM
A picture of Ireland with some numbers on it, wow, show me signed off audited accounts and expenses and wages for all councils and county boards, then we can have a discussion.

Are you going to provide me with a link to Kieran McGeeneys payments or not while in Kildare because I would really like to know?

Or are you being found out like you were on another thread?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2016, 01:31:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuAKk0dWIAAEpg7.jpg:large)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuADNeqWIAA87Ys.jpg:large)


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Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 06, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
Ewan McKenna is bang on the button!
The fact that for every €2.63 spent on youth development in Mayo from central funds, Dublin gets €11.73 should be cause enough for unease. This massive imbalance of resources cannot be sustained long term. Galway fares out even worse than Mayo. Indeed all along the western seaboard the counties that need the most receive the least.
For me, McKenna did not go far enough.
The advantages of having superclubs so big that they have more juvenile players than, Roscommon, Sligo, Fermanagh, Leitrim or Cavan ( and that was more than 20 years ago) are obvious enough.
But there are massive downsides also and eventually it will be become apparent to all, bar the circle-the-wagon school of logic, that what the CC is doing will be counter productive.

For example, a large club that will have no difficulty in attracting u8s or 9s will have to let the majority of them go by the time they are old enough to player minor.
There many be 8 or 9 grades of competition at younger levels but the number decreases as youngsters move up through the age levels.
ASFAIK, there are only two grades at minor level; u18A and u8B. (I am not aware of any u18c grade but I may well be wrong on that.
So,  the GAA/Dublin County Board policy is to attract kids at an early age, provide them with the best facilities and coaching available and  then turf them out on a gradual basis as they get older.
I think it's a no-brainer to say that the earlier a juvenile is forced to drop out of GAA  activities, the less likely he is to retain an attachment with club he had been involved with.
If, say, there were four medium-sized clubs in an area, there could be at least four times as many u18s engaged in competitive football as there would be in a single super sized one.
Put anyway you like, whatever the present policy of youth development may be, it benefits nobody.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on October 06, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
the capital grants one, is that how much moneyu each county has received in capital grants? ie Tyrone has received over twice what Armagh has?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: westbound on October 06, 2016, 04:24:22 PM
Thanks Ballinaman.

IMO the most important piece of information is the € per registered gaa player.

In the years 2010 - 2014 Dublin got €274.7 per registered player.
The next nearest to that is Fermanagh with €68.7.

That means in the 4 years, Dublin got AT LEAST 4 TIMES MORE PER PLAYER than any other county.

Mayo, Tyrone and Kerry all got around the €20 per player mark. That is approximately one twelfth of what Dublin received per player!
They are doing well to be getting anywhere even close to competitive with Dublin at that rate!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on October 06, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 06, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
Ewan McKenna is bang on the button!
The fact that for every €2.63 spent on youth development in Mayo from central funds, Dublin gets €11.73 should be cause enough for unease. This massive imbalance of resources cannot be sustained long term. Galway fares out even worse than Mayo. Indeed all along the western seaboard the counties that need the most receive the least.
For me, McKenna did not go far enough.
The advantages of having superclubs so big that they have more juvenile players than, Roscommon, Sligo, Fermanagh, Leitrim or Cavan ( and that was more than 20 years ago) are obvious enough.
But there are massive downsides also and eventually it will be become apparent to all, bar the circle-the-wagon school of logic, that what the CC is doing will be counter productive.

For example, a large club that will have no difficulty in attracting u8s or 9s will have to let the majority of them go by the time they are old enough to player minor.
There many be 8 or 9 grades of competition at younger levels but the number decreases as youngsters move up through the age levels.
ASFAIK, there are only two grades at minor level; u18A and u8B. (I am not aware of any u18c grade but I may well be wrong on that.
So,  the GAA/Dublin County Board policy is to attract kids at an early age, provide them with the best facilities and coaching available and  then turf them out on a gradual basis as they get older.
I think it's a no-brainer to say that the earlier a juvenile is forced to drop out of GAA  activities, the less likely he is to retain an attachment with club he had been involved with.
If, say, there were four medium-sized clubs in an area, there could be at least four times as many u18s engaged in competitive football as there would be in a single super sized one.
Put anyway you like, whatever the present policy of youth development may be, it benefits nobody.

Time to split Ballyboden in two.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 07, 2016, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 06, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 06, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
Ewan McKenna is bang on the button!
The fact that for every €2.63 spent on youth development in Mayo from central funds, Dublin gets €11.73 should be cause enough for unease. This massive imbalance of resources cannot be sustained long term. Galway fares out even worse than Mayo. Indeed all along the western seaboard the counties that need the most receive the least.
For me, McKenna did not go far enough.
The advantages of having superclubs so big that they have more juvenile players than, Roscommon, Sligo, Fermanagh, Leitrim or Cavan ( and that was more than 20 years ago) are obvious enough.
But there are massive downsides also and eventually it will be become apparent to all, bar the circle-the-wagon school of logic, that what the CC is doing will be counter productive.

For example, a large club that will have no difficulty in attracting u8s or 9s will have to let the majority of them go by the time they are old enough to player minor.
There many be 8 or 9 grades of competition at younger levels but the number decreases as youngsters move up through the age levels.
ASFAIK, there are only two grades at minor level; u18A and u8B. (I am not aware of any u18c grade but I may well be wrong on that.
So,  the GAA/Dublin County Board policy is to attract kids at an early age, provide them with the best facilities and coaching available and  then turf them out on a gradual basis as they get older.
I think it's a no-brainer to say that the earlier a juvenile is forced to drop out of GAA  activities, the less likely he is to retain an attachment with club he had been involved with.
If, say, there were four medium-sized clubs in an area, there could be at least four times as many u18s engaged in competitive football as there would be in a single super sized one.
Put anyway you like, whatever the present policy of youth development may be, it benefits nobody.

Time to split Ballyboden in two.

Ballyboden already has two, the catchment area could easily take another two clubs though if there was any green areas to put them in
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: FermGael on October 07, 2016, 11:43:17 AM
The real solution is to split Fermanagh
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 07, 2016, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 07, 2016, 11:43:17 AM
The real solution is to split Fermanagh
I thought it was already split.
According to Peter McGinnity, one half is lakes and the other half is Protestants. ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 16, 2016, 04:40:07 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html

Let's get something straight here though. This Dublin team is a special group and that's not down to money or the number of coaches in the city. Think about when Stephen Cluxton quits or Cian O'Sullivan quits or Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn or Michael Darragh Macauley.....we're talking once-off players here.

Do you honestly believe that there'll just be some seamless kind of hand-over to men of a similar standard? If you do, can I ask you what's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 16, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 16, 2016, 04:40:07 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html

Let's get something straight here though. This Dublin team is a special group and that's not down to money or the number of coaches in the city. Think about when Stephen Cluxton quits or Cian O'Sullivan quits or Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn or Michael Darragh Macauley.....we're talking once-off players here.

Do you honestly believe that there'll just be some seamless kind of hand-over to men of a similar standard? If you do, can I ask you what's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land?


Oh for Christ's sake, here we go again! ;D ;D
It's more or less as follows..

This Dublin team is a special group and that's not down to money or the number of coaches in the county. Think about when Stephen Cluxton quits or Cian O'Sullivan quits or Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn or Michael Darragh Macauley.....we're talking once-off players here.

Do you honestly believe that there'll just be some seamless kind of hand-over to men of a similar standard? If you do, can I ask you what's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land?

Following the line of logic here, Dublin's present (extremely talented) side just got their act together around 2010-2011 and the reason why they are so good had nothing to do with the fact that almost one in three of the population of the Republic live there.
All the coaches they have and the money they have has nothing to do with their recent run of success and the fact that none of their players has to clock up around 1.000 km a week to attend training sessions is merely coincidental.

Etc. etc....the spiel goes on and on...

It would appear that Dublin is just lucky to have such a bunch of talented players now as Kerry had in the late 70s or Kilkenny hurlers had in recent years and it's down to culchie hoors like me that Dublin aren't accepted as a normal county which just happens to have a talented side. Once Berno and Clucko and Diarmo and Ciano and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all  hang up their boots, all will return to normal once more.

Anyone who swallows that taurine excrement is indeed living in Cloud Cuckoo Land!
In 2010 Meath put five past Clucko, winning by 11 points in the process.
Yet, the following year with most of the '10 team still on board, Dublin went all the way to the top.

So cart horses morphed into thoroughbreds in a single season< of their own accord!

The fact that the County Board felt they were humiliated and decided to get their act together, hence the "Blue Flag" initiative, had nothing to do  with the dramatic turnabout upsurge in Dublin's football fortunes.

Tomás and his likes may well spout that that there is no a well-oiled conveyor belt of talent coming through to replace the present players.

McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton, Kilkenny, Cooper,  Costello, Small etc. just materialised out of nowhere like Stephen Hawking's theory of Creation?

WTF does he think he's codding??

Look, I have nothing personal against Jim Gavin, a true gent, or his team as they are doing what any other county would do if they had the same resources. But, FFS, stop the hypocrisy of pretence that Dublin are just like any other side and that Professionalism and Science all along with unlimited backup resources mean nothing at all.

How many All Irelands have been won to date by Leitrim, Sligo or ,say, Carlow. I mean if money and the most professional set up this side of the Alamo count for nothing, how come any of the above never won one yet?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on October 16, 2016, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?

Would Mayo have made it to all those finals in recent years if they operated on Carlow's budget?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2016, 02:50:53 PM
If Dublin have the population of  a province then they would be expected to have the same number of talented players as a province.  Claiming that a few good players just happened to come along is an insult to our intelligence.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 16, 2016, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on October 16, 2016, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?

Would Mayo have made it to all those finals in recent years if they operated on Carlow's budget?
Of course they wouldn't but if you were to believe Tomás ÓSé , they could well have, since having loads of money and a set up that many Premierships clubs would die for, doesn't, make any difference.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 03:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on October 16, 2016, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?

Would Mayo have made it to all those finals in recent years if they operated on Carlow's budget?

Donie Buckley and Tony McEntee salaries were more than Carlow budget.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 16, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 16, 2016, 04:40:07 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-the-counties-whining-about-dublins-advantages-are-missing-the-point-entirely-35132361.html

Let's get something straight here though. This Dublin team is a special group and that's not down to money or the number of coaches in the city. Think about when Stephen Cluxton quits or Cian O'Sullivan quits or Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn or Michael Darragh Macauley.....we're talking once-off players here.

Do you honestly believe that there'll just be some seamless kind of hand-over to men of a similar standard? If you do, can I ask you what's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land?


Oh for Christ's sake, here we go again! ;D ;D
It's more or less as follows..

This Dublin team is a special group and that's not down to money or the number of coaches in the county. Think about when Stephen Cluxton quits or Cian O'Sullivan quits or Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn or Michael Darragh Macauley.....we're talking once-off players here.

Do you honestly believe that there'll just be some seamless kind of hand-over to men of a similar standard? If you do, can I ask you what's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land?

Following the line of logic here, Dublin's present (extremely talented) side just got their act together around 2010-2011 and the reason why they are so good had nothing to do with the fact that almost one in three of the population of the Republic live there.
All the coaches they have and the money they have has nothing to do with their recent run of success and the fact that none of their players has to clock up around 1.000 km a week to attend training sessions is merely coincidental.

Etc. etc....the spiel goes on and on...

It would appear that Dublin is just lucky to have such a bunch of talented players now as Kerry had in the late 70s or Kilkenny hurlers had in recent years and it's down to culchie hoors like me that Dublin aren't accepted as a normal county which just happens to have a talented side. Once Berno and Clucko and Diarmo and Ciano and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all  hang up their boots, all will return to normal once more.

Anyone who swallows that taurine excrement is indeed living in Cloud Cuckoo Land!
In 2010 Meath put five past Clucko, winning by 11 points in the process.
Yet, the following year with most of the '10 team still on board, Dublin went all the way to the top.

So cart horses morphed into thoroughbreds in a single season< of their own accord!

The fact that the County Board felt they were humiliated and decided to get their act together, hence the "Blue Flag" initiative, had nothing to do  with the dramatic turnabout upsurge in Dublin's football fortunes.

Tomás and his likes may well spout that that there is no a well-oiled conveyor belt of talent coming through to replace the present players.

McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton, Kilkenny, Cooper,  Costello, Small etc. just materialised out of nowhere like Stephen Hawking's theory of Creation?

WTF does he think he's codding??

Look, I have nothing personal against Jim Gavin, a true gent, or his team as they are doing what any other county would do if they had the same resources. But, FFS, stop the hypocrisy of pretence that Dublin are just like any other side and that Professionalism and Science all along with unlimited backup resources mean nothing at all.

How many All Irelands have been won to date by Leitrim, Sligo or ,say, Carlow. I mean if money and the most professional set up this side of the Alamo count for nothing, how come any of the above never won one yet?

+1
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.

have to agree with this. With dublin players not working and getting meals delivered to them. Tough on the mayo players having to work the monday after and cramped into a bus straight after game. Dubs were definiely fresher the next day
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on October 16, 2016, 04:40:46 PM
How long is generally customary for Mayo posters to bitch and moan after being beaten annually?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 04:56:44 PM
Its just pointless if you dont want to tell it how it is. Sarcastic comebacks about meals and buses home etc, blah blah blah. The GAA have created a monster and furthermore if you knew anything youd know top brass realise that now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on October 16, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.

have to agree with this. With dublin players not working and getting meals delivered to them. Tough on the mayo players having to work the monday after and cramped into a bus straight after game. Dubs were definiely fresher the next day

Who doesn't work?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 06:13:44 PM
See it just escalates into a slagging match and i believe gammysolo is being sarcastic btw .

Pointless debate so long as Dublin supporters are not willing to be objective rather than ultra  defensive .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: INDIANA on October 16, 2016, 06:42:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 06:13:44 PM
See it just escalates into a slagging match and i believe gammysolo is being sarcastic btw .

Pointless debate so long as Dublin supporters are not willing to be objective rather than ultra  defensive .

Dublin supporters talk with unerring accuracy on the subject

Its our country brethren who talk in banal inaccurate riddles on the subject Larry
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Thy Kingdom Come on October 16, 2016, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 16, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.

have to agree with this. With dublin players not working and getting meals delivered to them. Tough on the mayo players having to work the monday after and cramped into a bus straight after game. Dubs were definiely fresher the next day

Who doesn't work?

Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, name the players who do? I'm looking forward to their names and job titles?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on October 16, 2016, 07:03:46 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 16, 2016, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 16, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.

have to agree with this. With dublin players not working and getting meals delivered to them. Tough on the mayo players having to work the monday after and cramped into a bus straight after game. Dubs were definiely fresher the next day

Who doesn't work?

Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, name the players who do? I'm looking forward to their names and job titles?

Didn't claim to be much at all and the burden of proof hardly rests with me. All of their occupations are listed on Dublingaa.ie - no full time Ex-Ulster Bank pros among them
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: INDIANA on October 16, 2016, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 16, 2016, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 16, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.

have to agree with this. With dublin players not working and getting meals delivered to them. Tough on the mayo players having to work the monday after and cramped into a bus straight after game. Dubs were definiely fresher the next day

Who doesn't work?

Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, name the players who do? I'm looking forward to their names and job titles?

Put up the Kerry players? You've had professional GAA players since the 70's with them having jobs in name only
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 16, 2016, 08:00:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2016, 02:50:53 PM
If Dublin have the population of  a province then they would be expected to have the same number of talented players as a province.  Claiming that a few good players just happened to come along is an insult to our intelligence.
Yeah, that's my problem, pure and simple.
All you get when this topic is brought up is snide comments and sarcasm masquerading as logic from those who see nothing wrong with the current setup.
But there's a serious side issue with the Dublin model and it's going to have serious, long term consequences for the GAA as an organisation.

I did a quick check here  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin)and without spending much time on it, I came up with a total of fifteen counties whose combined population was less than that of Dublin.

So, in spite of that, we are being asked to accept that Dublin is just another county; nothing remarkable about it apart from the fact that they just happen to have a good team.
Each of the fifteen has its own competitions and structures, reaching down to the lowest age level. There may not be an awful lot of youngsters at any age level but a far higher percentage for those counties will stay involved in the GAA for much longer than the majority of their counterparts in Dublin will. Sure kids will always drop out of any sort as they grow older but the problem is greatly exacerbated in Dublin where clubs like Ballyboden have hordes of kiddies, more than the combined number in many less populated counties.
Clubs will always have young players dropping out for one reason or another as they get older but with Dublin's superclubs many more are dropped because there's simply no room for them as the number of teams fielded at u14s and upwards decrease as the age level rises.
But soccer doesn't follow the pyramid model of the GAA and there are assloads of competitions for all ages and abilities. I've had this problem in my own household some years ago. My kid and a few of his pals joined Ballyboden and the craic was 90 up until they found that u15 level a couple was no longer deeded. So they all dropped out and had no problem getting a game every weekend with one or other of the local soccer clubs.
None of them felt particularly fond of the club they played with. I suppose most of them will wear the Dub jersey and go for a few lagers with their mates from the QF stage onwards but there is no conscious involvement with the GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 09:26:01 AM
Your right Indiana, no point debating with ignorance and 31 county bias. Best to just ignore.

I wonder how many of this board have done something to assist their own county rather than spouting on boards with BS.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on October 17, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 16, 2016, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 16, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: gammysolo on October 16, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 16, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Would dublin have won the all they have these last few years on Leitrims budget?
No. Carry on.

Carry on.

It simply rubbishes the narrative of Dublin have a unique team who are so special that money and resources have nothing to do with their success.

They had an edge in last years semi reply because they had an excellent recovery prog inbetween the two games whilst we didnt have such a prog because of resources and logistical problems with our bucks scattered all over the country. Why is there such a reluctance to accept the reality.its not an excuse its just the truth.

have to agree with this. With dublin players not working and getting meals delivered to them. Tough on the mayo players having to work the monday after and cramped into a bus straight after game. Dubs were definiely fresher the next day

Who doesn't work?

Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, name the players who do? I'm looking forward to their names and job titles?

it has been put up before if you care to look. Probably doesnt suit your argument to look though
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 10:35:45 AM
If the money makes no difference, then give it back, and let someone else have it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on October 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 10:35:45 AM
If the money makes no difference, then give it back, and let someone else have it.

I assume you're referring to the Mayo management team?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
Are people trying to say the Dublin players don't work for a living? I happen to share a staff room with one high profile player and I don't think he is here for the craic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on October 17, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
Are people trying to say the Dublin players don't work for a living? I happen to share a staff room with one high profile player and I don't think he is here for the craic.

Cian O'Sullivan recently got a promotion with PWC so he obviously must be working during the day.  We had Kieran Donaghy & Darran O'Sullivan quitting work to focus on football, but lets all focus on the dubs and fiction and ignore everybody else.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darran-o-sullivan-puts-kerry-front-and-centre-1.2081734

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 17, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
Are people trying to say the Dublin players don't work for a living? I happen to share a staff room with one high profile player and I don't think he is here for the craic.

Cian O'Sullivan recently got a promotion with PWC so he obviously must be working during the day.  We had Kieran Donaghy & Darran O'Sullivan quitting work to focus on football, but lets all focus on the dubs and fiction and ignore everybody else.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darran-o-sullivan-puts-kerry-front-and-centre-1.2081734
I don't know what point you are attempting to make here but, whatever it is, it's well wide of the mark.
I'm not getting involved in any hassle about where the income of any player, Dub or any others is coming from as I don't know anything about anybody.

But I take it that you are claiming that Darran O'Sullivan is getting paid by the Kerry County Board so that he can concentrate on football.
Otherwise, what you are claiming makes no sense at all.
That doesn't come across in this article you refer to.
Dunno how he gets money, probably gone back to the family farm or the likes but there is no mention here of any help from the county board.
So that dog won't bark for you, in a manner of speaking.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 10:35:45 AM
If the money makes no difference, then give it back, and let someone else have it.

I assume you're referring to the Mayo management team?

I don't give a flying f*ck what people spend on their senior teams. I'm talking about Coaching and Development monies that Dublin receive. If it doesn't make a difference, give it back. Of course I'm being facetious. I know it makes a difference, and I know they are spending it very wisely. It just gets on my tits when people pretend it has nothing to do with the quality of player Dublin can produce.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 10:35:45 AM
If the money makes no difference, then give it back, and let someone else have it.

I assume you're referring to the Mayo management team?
Heffo, me oul' segotia, from one incorrigible bullshitter to another, maybe I offer you a bit of advice?
If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

It would be hard to give back the money spent on Mayo's management team as it as comes in from all parts of the world, wherever there are exiles from Mayo. I can tell you something- it's not coming from the Central Council and that's for sure.
Dublin with 29% of the population gets almost half the development grants and that leaves Mayo and every other county in the land sucking the hind tit.
Besides, with a population greater than a total of 15 other counties, it wouldn't be hard to pick up enough to pay the costs of one single panel and even the income of the full player squad, would it? ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 17, 2016, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 09:26:01 AM
Your right Indiana, no point debating with ignorance and 31 county bias. Best to just ignore.

I wonder how many of this board have done something to assist their own county rather than spouting on boards with BS.

You are not too bad at spouting the old bs yourself.

Still waiting for figures on what McGeeney was paid in Kildare. Its ok to be wrong ya know.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Again nobody had a problem with it when Dublin weren't winning, it seems success brings out the worst in opposition fans, Tyrone and Kerry go it in the noughties too.

Anyway, All Ireland champions again, Nothing will ever take away from the enjoyment of all Irelands in 6 years, nothing.


Quote from: mup on October 17, 2016, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 09:26:01 AM
Your right Indiana, no point debating with ignorance and 31 county bias. Best to just ignore.

I wonder how many of this board have done something to assist their own county rather than spouting on boards with BS.

You are not too bad at spouting the old bs yourself.

Still waiting for figures on what McGeeney was paid in Kildare. Its ok to be wrong ya know.

How bout you prove im wrong.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 02:12:09 PM
Tyrone and Kerry got what in the noughties? They didn't get 1.4m annually for coaching and games development.

Again, I don't blame Dublin at all. But to say that the money is irrelevant is very insulting. If it is irrelevant, then a) Dublin are making a hames of using it and b) They should give it back.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 17, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Again nobody had a problem with it when Dublin weren't winning, it seems success brings out the worst in opposition fans, Tyrone and Kerry go it in the noughties too.

Anyway, All Ireland champions again, Nothing will ever take away from the enjoyment of all Irelands in 6 years, nothing.


Quote from: mup on October 17, 2016, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 09:26:01 AM
Your right Indiana, no point debating with ignorance and 31 county bias. Best to just ignore.

I wonder how many of this board have done something to assist their own county rather than spouting on boards with BS.

You are not too bad at spouting the old bs yourself.

Still waiting for figures on what McGeeney was paid in Kildare. Its ok to be wrong ya know.

How bout you prove im wrong.

You made the statement that he was. I asked you to prove it. Yet again you are fudging.

You are making yourself look silly now. Just admit you don't have the figures and we'll move on.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Again nobody had a problem with it when Dublin weren't winning, it seems success brings out the worst in opposition fans, Tyrone and Kerry go it in the noughties too.

Anyway, All Ireland champions again, Nothing will ever take away from the enjoyment of all Irelands in 6 years, nothing.

You are easily pleased my good man and not a bit embarrassed at all the advantages you have over all other counties by the looks of it.

Now, I know lads on four legs who could get this far faster than yer average Dub but I'll try anyway...

What is so special about the following list?
Offaly, Mayo, Louth, Waterford, Westmeath, Laois, Cavan, Sligo, Longford, Roscommon, Monaghan, Carlow, Leitrim, Clare and Wicklow.
Dublin has more people than the 15 of them put together and yet you and your buddies think there is nothing special that makes Dublin different to the all  of them. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
Lar, leaving the money issue aside, what is your problem with Dublin's population? I would imagine what others are trying to say is its not Dublin's fault more people are living there than Clare, Carlow etc. Wasn't it always this way?

I don't know about the money issue - I don't care what McGeeney, Mayo Backroom team, Micko etc were on and I don't know the intricate details of GPOs etc in Dublin but I don't get the issue of Dublin's population.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 03:57:32 PM
I don't have a problem with Dublin's population. It was ever thus, and that was part of the craic playing them. The big city against the culchies. That's called an inherent advantage, and I don't have problem with it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

Also, just want to highlight PortLaois lost for the first time in 10 years in the Laois Senior football championship. They had more population and money Id imagine than the rest of the teams in Laois but being the major town in Laois they always had the resources.

Enjoy the winter. Mine will be short and enjoyable watching reruns of the All Ireland run.  ;)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
Lar, leaving the money issue aside, what is your problem with Dublin's population? I would imagine what others are trying to say is its not Dublin's fault more people are living there than Clare, Carlow etc. Wasn't it always this way?

I don't know about the money issue - I don't care what McGeeney, Mayo Backroom team, Micko etc were on and I don't know the intricate details of GPOs etc in Dublin but I don't get the issue of Dublin's population.
That's fair enough. Dublin has always had more people than any other county and it has always been that way. But having a disproportionately large percentage of the population gives Dublin a massive head start over all opposition.
Greater and better facilities available, larger player pool to select from and more lucrative sponsorship deals with any company that is interested. You can add in the fact that the vast majority of players will find employment or attend college somewhere in their own vicinity.
Darran O'Sullivan spoke of the five hour commute, four or five times a week, to and from training; no Dublin players has that sort of obstacle to face.
Really, the size of the population means an awful lot in many ways.
Leitrim will never challenge for AI honours and neither will at least 20 more counties- they don't have the population; ergo, they don't have the same resources.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

Also, just want to highlight PortLaois lost for the first time in 10 years in the Laois Senior football championship. They had more population and money Id imagine than the rest of the teams in Laois but being the major town in Laois they always had the resources.

Enjoy the winter. Mine will be short and enjoyable watching reruns of the All Ireland run.  ;)
H, feck it, I promised myself I'd lay off the craic for a while but this one is too good to ignore... :D :D
"PortLaoise lost for the first time in 10 years in the Laois Senior football championship. They had more population and money Id imagine than the rest of the teams in Laois but being the major town in Laois they always had the resources."
Dunno what point you were attempting to make but you don't seem to realise that you are arguing against your own cause.
Portlaoise won 9 championships on the trot because they had a bigger  population and more money than all the other teams in Laois combined.
Like you say, they always had the resources to do so.


Just substitute Dublin for Laois and, say, the Leinster championship  for the Laois one and tell me what you think.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
Lar, leaving the money issue aside, what is your problem with Dublin's population? I would imagine what others are trying to say is its not Dublin's fault more people are living there than Clare, Carlow etc. Wasn't it always this way?

I don't know about the money issue - I don't care what McGeeney, Mayo Backroom team, Micko etc were on and I don't know the intricate details of GPOs etc in Dublin but I don't get the issue of Dublin's population.
That's fair enough. Dublin has always had more people than any other county and it has always been that way. But having a disproportionately large percentage of the population gives Dublin a massive head start over all opposition.
Greater and better facilities available, larger player pool to select from and more lucrative sponsorship deals with any company that is interested. You can add in the fact that the vast majority of players will find employment or attend college somewhere in their own vicinity.
Darran O'Sullivan spoke of the five hour commute, four or five times a week, to and from training; no Dublin players has that sort of obstacle to face.
Really, the size of the population means an awful lot in many ways.
Leitrim will never challenge for AI honours and neither will at least 20 more counties- they don't have the population; ergo, they don't have the same resources.

But your issue is more with the geographical / economic make-up of the country than with the Dublin football team?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on October 17, 2016, 07:24:32 PM
This is an issue that has normally good posters making silly arguments. The GAA model is inherently unfair and always was. Waterford or Clare were never in a fair battle with Kerry nor Leitrim and Sligo with Mayo. Some counties always had bigger populations and more money, so what's changed that Dublin are so different? It seems to me that some of the big boys are simply complaining because they now face what the majority of us always faced. competing with a bigger badder dog.

The only, absolutely only, issue is whether the GAA are allocating money (centrally controlled money that could be spent however they wanted) disproportionally to Dublin when some of it might be better spent elsewhere. This isn't only a matter of taking it off Dublin and giving it to Offaly or Leitrim for example. No point in not letting Dublin keep it if other counties are going to waste it. Likewise we shouldn't give Dublin central funds for things they can fund themselves if we have good plans that need funding in other counties.

Dublin enjoy inherent advantages over us all but that's just the way it is, the same way Mayo enjoy advantages over most of their provincial rivals. We can't or shouldn't try to change that unless we want to fundamentally change the IC game. The only issue is the use of central funds and while Dublin may have been getting a big slice of that pie they have used it well so I've no issue with that. Now if some other counties could use some more of that money and can show how it will be used effectively then of course it should be considered.

All the other arguments are just piss and bluster IMO.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: muppet on October 17, 2016, 07:26:18 PM
Complaining about the population of Dublin is like complaining about the rain. You might find people who agree with you, but there is f*ck all anyone can do about it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 17, 2016, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on October 17, 2016, 04:16:13 PM
Also, just want to highlight PortLaois lost for the first time in 10 years in the Laois Senior football championship. They had more population and money Id imagine than the rest of the teams in Laois but being the major town in Laois they always had the resources.

Not quite...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/penniless-portlaoise-can-point-to-riches-on-pitch-251908.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/penniless-portlaoise-can-point-to-riches-on-pitch-251908.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on October 17, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Quote
Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

OK .... i'll start with the most recent 3 Mayo ones ... can you do the same for Dublin please ?
2013: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls)
2014: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)
2015: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)

I'm not interested in the population discussion. I'm interested in the money side of things and not just the coaching money (which has been put to excellent use in fairness but is not a level playing field either as we all know)
How is it that Ciaran Kilkenny can spend 2 week in Donegal doing teacher training in weeks leading up to the draw but can get flown down to training via helicopter.... who pays for that? The Dublin based Mayo boys of course criss-crossing the country - half the time squeezed into back seats - for 4 hours each way with 20+ hours driving between draw and replay either to Castlebar (or once to Athlone).

Dublin have a level of professionalism that even Tomas O'Se doesn't understand.
It reminds of when Emilyn Mulligan was interviewed before they played Roscommon and said that since the new Leitrim training facility opened that the Leitrim senior team lacked for absolutely nothing. Nonsense of course... more a case of him not knowing what he didn't have.
Same with Mayo - players are apparently happy with everything they have - setup, facilities, etc, etc. Would they though prefer the Ciaran Kilkenny mode of transport for travelling down from Dublin & elsewhere for training.............


Oh and the population .... we would have won the All-Ireland in 1841 v Dublin ...  :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin)
Dublin population 372,000.
Mayo population 388,000
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 17, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 17, 2016, 03:45:58 PM
Lar, leaving the money issue aside, what is your problem with Dublin's population? I would imagine what others are trying to say is its not Dublin's fault more people are living there than Clare, Carlow etc. Wasn't it always this way?

I don't know about the money issue - I don't care what McGeeney, Mayo Backroom team, Micko etc were on and I don't know the intricate details of GPOs etc in Dublin but I don't get the issue of Dublin's population.
That's fair enough. Dublin has always had more people than any other county and it has always been that way. But having a disproportionately large percentage of the population gives Dublin a massive head start over all opposition.
Greater and better facilities available, larger player pool to select from and more lucrative sponsorship deals with any company that is interested. You can add in the fact that the vast majority of players will find employment or attend college somewhere in their own vicinity.
Darran O'Sullivan spoke of the five hour commute, four or five times a week, to and from training; no Dublin players has that sort of obstacle to face.
Really, the size of the population means an awful lot in many ways.
Leitrim will never challenge for AI honours and neither will at least 20 more counties- they don't have the population; ergo, they don't have the same resources.

But your issue is more with the geographical / economic make-up of the country than with the Dublin football team?
You are right.
I never had any problems with Jim Gavin or the Dubs' team. I feel you'll find that AZ and most other posters here think along the same lines. It's no fault of the Dublin GAA that the gap in every conceivable way between the Greater Dublin Area (The Pale for history buffs) and the rest of the country is steadily widening.
Rural depopulation may not mean much to Dublin people but it means the death of whole communities to those in more remote parts of the island. Smaller clubs are either amalgamating or going out of existence altogether and it gets harder and harder for small rural regions to keep their AA club ticking over.
In Mayo we have a club named Parke-Keelogues-Crimlin and it's easy to see that there was once three clubs where there  is only one now. Much the same story all along the western seaboard.
The Dublin CB decided to take remedial action after an embarrassing defeat to Meath in 2010. So they did their calculations and submitted proposals to Central Council.
This was "The Blue Flag" project and this is what has started the present aggro between the 'Haves' and the 'Have Nots.'
According to the infographic I linked to in my last post, Dublin gets €274 per registered player, while Mayo gets just €22.
Now, the CC has come along with the 'East Leinster Project' where they plan to pump €1.5m into the commuter counties around Dublin for an initial 3 years.
Dublin got a total of €4m in development funds last year, whereas Longford got just over €140,000 but are still expected to compete on equal terms with Dublin whenever they meet.
As I see it, as the political and commercial landscape changes and the movement of people from the west coast to the east continues, the gap  between the GAA  in Dublin and in the rest of the country will continue to widen.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on October 18, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
Well Aristocrat, any chance of providing links to the Dublin accounts ? I presume they are publicly available but I just can't find them....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Fuzzman on October 19, 2016, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 17, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
I don't give a flying f*ck what people spend on their senior teams. I'm talking about Coaching and Development monies that Dublin receive. If it doesn't make a difference, give it back. Of course I'm being facetious. I know it makes a difference, and I know they are spending it very wisely. It just gets on my tits when people pretend it has nothing to do with the quality of player Dublin can produce.

This is the most important point of all this discussion. Yes we already know Dublin has a lot of other advantages which have been there for years and often they didn't use them to their full potential but Dublin GAA decided to follow the Tyrone model and focus a lot more on their underage structures. For years they were not winning minor or U21 titles so they put plans in place to address that. 2012 and 2003 was their last two minor titles whereas they've won U21 titles in 2010, 2012 and 2014.
My own kids attend our local GAA club nursery every Sat and the number of kids taking part is huge. You see older kids walking around wearing GAA shirts now a lot more so of course all this money and time invested in the kids development will mean Dublin will continue to develop much more quantity of better footballers than around the country.

Also, how often do you see young Dublin players going off to Aussie rules? We see today Kerry's young Mark O'Connor heading off to see how he gets on and if he likes it or not?
We saw Jack McCaffrey and young Kilkenny go off a few years ago to check it out as well but neither stayed as the pull of life back in Dublin near the famiy and friends was too much. If you live in rural Kerry or Tyrone there isn't as many attractions to keep you there.

My concern for the GAA is that as the Dublin super club seems to attract all the big players who move to Dublin and dominate, the same will happen at county level where they will continue to produce more and more top quality players who come through the underage system conveyor belt and dominate for several years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on October 19, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
Long term the GAA will have to reconsider what might be termed "representative" football.
Do they make Dublin a Province with 4 Co Boards and 4 County teams?
Or do we make the All Ireland SFC a more Regional thing with units of around 0.5 m population to compete with Dublin and the future heavily populated Meath and Kildare?
Keep the Counties for NFL and Provincials but then have a separate AI SFC?

We all want as many people as possible playing Gaelic games but we need competitive competitions too that don't exclude the vast majority of us.
While we're at it what sort of oenetration have our games got in Cork, Limerick, Galway cities or Nationalist areas if Belfast and Derry?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2016, 12:01:03 PM
Limerick City for years was a wasteland for GAA, and to be honest it's still fairly under represented. Na Piarsaigh and Monaleen would probably be the two biggest clubs, but even they sort of congregate at the opposite ends of the city. In areas where Pike Rovers, Janesboro, Fairview, etc operate there are little or no GAA clubs. I would say there are more Rugby Clubs than GAA clubs in Limerick City. Off the Top of my head I can think of Shannon, Old Crescent, UL Bohemians, Young Munster, Richmond, Saint Marys, Garryowen and Thomond. In GAA I can only think of Saint Patricks, Milford, Monaleen, Claughaun and Na Piarsaigh. I may be missing a few of either list, but it's stark. Soccer would have more than either.


Galway I know was a similar situation. In fact apart from Salthill/Knocknacarra and Liam Mellows I suppose, I don't know of any other clubs in the city.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on October 19, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
Is St James's a City club?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: skeog on October 19, 2016, 12:46:17 PM
Must be a few bob down in Wexford the bill for Davy and Banty be in the 6 figure bracket easily.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 19, 2016, 03:14:46 PM
I mentioned fifteen counties that, between them, have less people than Dublin.
Supposing those counties could somehow amalgamate in order to present a united challenge to the Dubs, what would the likely outcome be?

For starters 14 senior panels, along with 14 senior club championships would dissolve and this would continue on down to the lowest levels.
It would mean the end of representative football for an untold number of u21s, minors and younger players.
Certainly, the county teams in every grade would have top class players in every position but it would also mean an awful lot more would have to drop out if they failed to make it to the top.
In such a conglomerate, the club as the hub of the community will have come to the end of its days.
Super teams for club or county are very good at recognising talent and putting it to good use but they cater only for the elite.

Anyone can look at the likes of Vincent's or Ballyboden and say that GAA games are thriving in the capital when they see hundreds of u8s or 9s togged out at weekends.
It's easy to forget that a very large number will have gone by the time they reach 15 or 16. All sports experience a drop out as children get older but in GAA games the problem is worse than in any other because the numbers catered for decrease as kids get older.
Maybe the Dublin CB is using the development funds it gets "wisely" but it's concentrating on quality rather than quantity and, long term, that's not good for the game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 19, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Dublin seniors 1996 to 2010 didn't reach any All Ireland final. 2011 to 2016 Dublin win 4 All Irelands. I haven't seen that all of sudden dominance in sport since Michelle Smith in the Olympics 20 years ago  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on October 20, 2016, 08:01:18 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 18, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
Well Aristocrat, any chance of providing links to the Dublin accounts ? I presume they are publicly available but I just can't find them....

Aristocrat doesn't provide links.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 20, 2016, 09:02:12 AM
Dublin have plenty of money to spend on spin too. The media is full of propaganda on how it's due to talent not money the last week.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2016, 09:11:04 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 20, 2016, 09:02:12 AM
Dublin have plenty of money to spend on spin too. The media is full of propaganda on how it's due to talent not money the last week.

It is due to talent. Talent nursed and encouraged in well funded coaching structures.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: gammysolo on October 20, 2016, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 19, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
Is St James's a City club?

Correct and St Michaels are in the city too
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: gammysolo on October 20, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 17, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Quote
Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

OK .... i'll start with the most recent 3 Mayo ones ... can you do the same for Dublin please ?
2013: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls)
2014: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)
2015: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)

I'm not interested in the population discussion. I'm interested in the money side of things and not just the coaching money (which has been put to excellent use in fairness but is not a level playing field either as we all know)
How is it that Ciaran Kilkenny can spend 2 week in Donegal doing teacher training in weeks leading up to the draw but can get flown down to training via helicopter.... who pays for that? The Dublin based Mayo boys of course criss-crossing the country - half the time squeezed into back seats - for 4 hours each way with 20+ hours driving between draw and replay either to Castlebar (or once to Athlone).

Dublin have a level of professionalism that even Tomas O'Se doesn't understand.
It reminds of when Emilyn Mulligan was interviewed before they played Roscommon and said that since the new Leitrim training facility opened that the Leitrim senior team lacked for absolutely nothing. Nonsense of course... more a case of him not knowing what he didn't have.
Same with Mayo - players are apparently happy with everything they have - setup, facilities, etc, etc. Would they though prefer the Ciaran Kilkenny mode of transport for travelling down from Dublin & elsewhere for training.............


Oh and the population .... we would have won the All-Ireland in 1841 v Dublin ...  :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin)
Dublin population 372,000.
Mayo population 388,000

Have you link for that? How can the rest of us compete with that when players have helicoptors on standby.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on October 20, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
Quote
How you link for that? How can the rest of us compete with that when players have helicoptors on standby.

If there was anything incorrect about it, then the Dublin mafia on here would long since have contradicted it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: gammysolo on October 20, 2016, 12:10:17 PM
So true
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Bord na Mona man on October 20, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 17, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Quote
Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

OK .... i'll start with the most recent 3 Mayo ones ... can you do the same for Dublin please ?
2013: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls)
2014: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)
2015: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)

I'm not interested in the population discussion. I'm interested in the money side of things and not just the coaching money (which has been put to excellent use in fairness but is not a level playing field either as we all know)
How is it that Ciaran Kilkenny can spend 2 week in Donegal doing teacher training in weeks leading up to the draw but can get flown down to training via helicopter.... who pays for that? The Dublin based Mayo boys of course criss-crossing the country - half the time squeezed into back seats - for 4 hours each way with 20+ hours driving between draw and replay either to Castlebar (or once to Athlone).

Dublin have a level of professionalism that even Tomas O'Se doesn't understand.
It reminds of when Emilyn Mulligan was interviewed before they played Roscommon and said that since the new Leitrim training facility opened that the Leitrim senior team lacked for absolutely nothing. Nonsense of course... more a case of him not knowing what he didn't have.
Same with Mayo - players are apparently happy with everything they have - setup, facilities, etc, etc. Would they though prefer the Ciaran Kilkenny mode of transport for travelling down from Dublin & elsewhere for training.............


Oh and the population .... we would have won the All-Ireland in 1841 v Dublin ...  :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin)
Dublin population 372,000.
Mayo population 388,000
Interestingly the NFL puts limits on things like private jet transport to stop some of the avenues where the big franchises lever their advantage over the smaller ones.
Should the GAA think about similar measures. All travel expenses being paid out of a central fund for example.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2016, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on October 20, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 17, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Quote
Gentlemen, gentlemen , Gentlemen. You will never learn.

I will come back here when somebody gets the books opened from each of the 32 county boards over the last 30 years so we can analyse them.

OK .... i'll start with the most recent 3 Mayo ones ... can you do the same for Dublin please ?
2013: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Mayo%20GAA%20Accounts%202013.xls)
2014: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)
2015: http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/Auditors%20Report_Financial%20Accounts%202014.pdf)

I'm not interested in the population discussion. I'm interested in the money side of things and not just the coaching money (which has been put to excellent use in fairness but is not a level playing field either as we all know)
How is it that Ciaran Kilkenny can spend 2 week in Donegal doing teacher training in weeks leading up to the draw but can get flown down to training via helicopter.... who pays for that? The Dublin based Mayo boys of course criss-crossing the country - half the time squeezed into back seats - for 4 hours each way with 20+ hours driving between draw and replay either to Castlebar (or once to Athlone).

Dublin have a level of professionalism that even Tomas O'Se doesn't understand.
It reminds of when Emilyn Mulligan was interviewed before they played Roscommon and said that since the new Leitrim training facility opened that the Leitrim senior team lacked for absolutely nothing. Nonsense of course... more a case of him not knowing what he didn't have.
Same with Mayo - players are apparently happy with everything they have - setup, facilities, etc, etc. Would they though prefer the Ciaran Kilkenny mode of transport for travelling down from Dublin & elsewhere for training.............


Oh and the population .... we would have won the All-Ireland in 1841 v Dublin ...  :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis#Dublin)
Dublin population 372,000.
Mayo population 388,000
Interestingly the NFL puts limits on things like private jet transport to stop some of the avenues where the big franchises lever their advantage over the smaller ones.
Should the GAA think about similar measures. All travel expenses being paid out of a central fund for example.
I knew the Roscommon bus would come up at some stage......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Thy Kingdom Come on October 20, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 20, 2016, 04:56:08 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 20, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html)

;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 20, 2016, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 20, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html)
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on October 20, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 20, 2016, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 20, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html)
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D

The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams.  What a helicopter has to do with that I do not know.  Ray Cosgrove is coaching an U14 development panel this year. If he coaches the players in the right way, when they potentially make the dublin senior team it won't be because of nutritionists, pilots, doctors but time and commitment on the part of player/coaches.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 20, 2016, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 20, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 20, 2016, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 20, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html)
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D

The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams.  What a helicopter has to do with that I do not know.  Ray Cosgrove is coaching an U14 development panel this year. If he coaches the players in the right way, when they potentially make the dublin senior team it won't be because of nutritionists, pilots, doctors but time and commitment on the part of player/coaches.
same as in every county.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on October 20, 2016, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 20, 2016, 09:02:12 AM
Dublin have plenty of money to spend on spin too. The media is full of propaganda on how it's due to talent not money the last week.

If footballing success were simply down to money Kildare wouldn't be waiting ninety years for All Ireland success.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 20, 2016, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 20, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 20, 2016, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on October 20, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
This made me laugh!  ;D

Good man Jayo!


http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=262287)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jason-sherlock-volunteers-not-cash-driving-dublins-success-426669.html)
Amazing, they all do it for nothing, nada, zilch or whatever yer havin' yerself!
So not a cent for all the doctors, physios, nutritionists, helicopter pilots and Connolly's personal psychiatrist!  ;D ;D

The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams.  What a helicopter has to do with that I do not know.  Ray Cosgrove is coaching an U14 development panel this year. If he coaches the players in the right way, when they potentially make the dublin senior team it won't be because of nutritionists, pilots, doctors but time and commitment on the part of player/coaches.
You must be joking! ;D
The heading of the article iin Hoganstand is "Jayo - Dubs backroom team not paid"
The picture is captioned "Former greats Mick Deegan and Jason Sherlock now part of the Dublin back room team."
Further on: "A photograph emerged after the All-Ireland final showing a 23-strong backroom team celebrating the Dubs' fourth Sam Maguire Cup success in six seasons. It was an image that caused envy in other counties and led to claims that the Dubs' success is being bankrolled. But 'Jayo' doesn't agree:
Now what would any rational reader take all this to mean?

Now you wrote:"The point he is making but you choose to ignore is all the former players are giving up their time for free to coach underage teams."
That is certainly not what the article says, twist it anyway you want. Anyway, what's newsworthy about ex-county players devoting time to coaching youngsters? You'll get that in every county.
The Examiner piece is even more unequivocal: "Jason Sherlock: Volunteers, not cash, driving Dublin's success"
But the craic gets even better: "Boss Jim Gavin headed the backroom team though the picture also included medical, nutrition, media, statistical, video, and various coaching experts."

Any mention in either article of underage coaching? ;D



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Buttofthehill on October 20, 2016, 09:38:43 PM
What is the standard number in terms of back room teams? If Dublin have 23, what do Mayo, Kerry etc have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2016, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on October 20, 2016, 09:38:43 PM
What is the standard number in terms of back room teams? If Dublin have 23, what do Mayo, Kerry etc have?
2016 Mayo back room was...
Rochford, Tony McEntee, Donie Buckley, Sean Carey, S&C x 2, Doctor, Physio x 2, Massseuse, nutritionist, stats analyst x2 , logistics, media, psychologist, kitman.....17

Considerably smaller than circus of 2015 under H&C
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on October 21, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 23, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 21, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?
According to Eamonn Sweeney, the bucko that writes a column for the Sindo, there are 60.
NO ideas about the number in any other county.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: muppet on October 23, 2016, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 23, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 21, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?
According to Eamonn Sweeney, the bucko that writes a column for the Sindo, there are 60.
NO ideas about the number in any other county.

60!

Imagine if Pat Hickey was CX of the Dubs CB? The scramble for tickets would be legendary.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on October 23, 2016, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 23, 2016, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 21, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?
According to Eamonn Sweeney, the bucko that writes a column for the Sindo, there are 60.
NO ideas about the number in any other county.

I know Cork have somewhere around 5/6 because I heard there was a thing that the County Board were trying to claim lads who worked exclusively for UCC and CIT and some lads who did office jobs to bump the number up. I also heard from a guy with very good links to Croke Park that Dublin have more full-time coaches that all the other counties combined. I thought it was funny to hear Jayo and Brogan going on about all the coaching being done by the volunteers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 23, 2016, 10:48:25 PM
Tipp have 4, one for each division. And they have a boss, a Games Manager.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on October 24, 2016, 08:20:18 AM
Michael Duignan ‏@DuignanMichael  16 august
Offaly, Ireland
Sport in its purest form is gone! Even hurling & football All Irl's can only be won by counties with deep pockets. #elite #amateurmyarse
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2016, 08:24:26 AM
Duignan might be reconsidering the notion today after Rynaghs won again in Offaly. First time in 20 years or so I'd say.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on October 24, 2016, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 24, 2016, 08:24:26 AM
Duignan might be reconsidering the notion today after Rynaghs won again in Offaly. First time in 20 years or so I'd say.
That must have gone down very well in Banagher.
Where do they say "that  beats Banagher" ?

It good to see things going well for him again cos he must have had a very tough time after his wife died
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lone Shark on October 24, 2016, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2016, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 24, 2016, 08:24:26 AM
Duignan might be reconsidering the notion today after Rynaghs won again in Offaly. First time in 20 years or so I'd say.
That must have gone down very well in Banagher.
Where do they say "that  beats Banagher" ?

It good to see things going well for him again cos he must have had a very tough time after his wife died

Great day for him all round - he managed Ballinamere/Durrow to win the minor title on the same day, with his sons both involved. His elder son Seán lifted the cup as captain. He was also sent off to the terrace from the dugout during the game, and was presented to the crowd as part of the 1991 Offaly NHL winning team.

Busy day for Michael!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on October 25, 2016, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 21, 2016, 12:16:10 AM
Anyone know the number of paid full-time GPOs/GDAs Dublin have and how many the other counties have?

Dublin have between 45-50 full tome GPO's. The clubs they work for pay half their salary. The County Board pay the other half.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 10, 2016, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.

They're probably trying to attract culchies moving to Dublin and looking for a club?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 03:06:35 PM
Why? They had a winning season, amazing facilities, why not promote from within? Why are the GAA spending millions on Dublin GAA developing players if they are actively trying to recruit players, not even players moving locally but "The North Side". What happens to the local player he replaces?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on November 10, 2016, 03:24:51 PM
3 non Dubs transferred to St Vincents at the start of the year. They were current or former county players. Enda Varley being one of them. Brendan Egan joined a few years ago

They are a strong enough club as it is. There should be a restriction on amount of non dub players on their club teams
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on November 11, 2016, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 03:06:35 PM
Why? They had a winning season, amazing facilities, why not promote from within? Why are the GAA spending millions on Dublin GAA developing players if they are actively trying to recruit players, not even players moving locally but "The North Side". What happens to the local player he replaces?

Be prepared for the backlash with the focus on a certain Cavan hurler.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on November 14, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
Didn't Brigids do their best to throw a spanner in the works when Castleknock were trying to get established?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 14, 2016, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.

In agreement with the two lads, "super clubs" will provide as many panels as their numbers allow. If their membership base increases significantly they will add another junior team. If they loose too many bodies they will take the bottom team out. There are pros and cons to both "super clubs" and the more traditional 1 or 2 team clubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 14, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on November 14, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
Didn't Brigids do their best to throw a spanner in the works when Castleknock were trying to get established?

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/castleknock-gaa-knocking-on-heaven-s-door-1.2855300 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/castleknock-gaa-knocking-on-heaven-s-door-1.2855300)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Shamrock Shore on November 14, 2016, 04:38:47 PM
St. Vincents are off to play Mullinalaghta in Longford Sunday week.

The entire population of Mullinalaghta is 447. I would say the backroom staff in Vincents is around that number.

We'll see if their United Nations team with €€€€€€€€€€ attached compete  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 14, 2016, 04:43:54 PM
Good one Sham  :D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on November 14, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
One thing is for sure, Mullinalaghta won't fear St. Vincents.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: muppet on November 15, 2016, 01:28:40 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on November 14, 2016, 04:38:47 PM
St. Vincents are off to play Mullinalaghta in Longford Sunday week.

The entire population of Mullinalaghta is 447. I would say the backroom staff in Vincents is around that number.

We'll see if their United Nations team with €€€€€€€€€€ attached compete  ;)

In fairness, that's a great age.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.
??
Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels will shed kids big time as they get older and the numbers of teams fielded decreases as they move up to higher levels.
Sure, some youngsters will drop out due to a variety of reasons and this is true of all sports but in GA  clubs with huge numbers of kids in the lower grades to start off with, will be forced to drop those who don't make the cut.
One club I have been associated with can field up to a half dozen teams at u9s/u10s level without a bother but, ASAIK, have only two teams at u15 level. (Been a while since I was involved but I've n reason to believe that things are different now.)
I've seen many youngsters being terribly upset when told there wasn't a place for them anymore.
Soccer in contrast can have clubs with only a pitch loaned by the city council and a disused 40 foot container to get going.
No wonder that a far higher % of children play soccer than Gaelic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 15, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.
??
Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels will shed kids big time as they get older and the numbers of teams fielded decreases as they move up to higher levels.
Sure, some youngsters will drop out due to a variety of reasons and this is true of all sports but in GA  clubs with huge numbers of kids in the lower grades to start off with, will be forced to drop those who don't make the cut.
One club I have been associated with can field up to a half dozen teams at u9s/u10s level without a bother but, ASAIK, have only two teams at u15 level. (Been a while since I was involved but I've n reason to believe that things are different now.)
I've seen many youngsters being terribly upset when told there wasn't a place for them anymore.
Soccer in contrast can have clubs with only a pitch loaned by the city council and a disused 40 foot container to get going.
No wonder that a far higher % of children play soccer than Gaelic.

GAA clubs lease pitches from councils and use containers as well. That's a shocking policy that club followed, I'd say they're in dire straits now because of it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: muppet on November 15, 2016, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 15, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.
??
Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels will shed kids big time as they get older and the numbers of teams fielded decreases as they move up to higher levels.
Sure, some youngsters will drop out due to a variety of reasons and this is true of all sports but in GA  clubs with huge numbers of kids in the lower grades to start off with, will be forced to drop those who don't make the cut.
One club I have been associated with can field up to a half dozen teams at u9s/u10s level without a bother but, ASAIK, have only two teams at u15 level. (Been a while since I was involved but I've n reason to believe that things are different now.)
I've seen many youngsters being terribly upset when told there wasn't a place for them anymore.
Soccer in contrast can have clubs with only a pitch loaned by the city council and a disused 40 foot container to get going.
No wonder that a far higher % of children play soccer than Gaelic.

GAA clubs lease pitches from councils and use containers as well. That's a shocking policy that club followed, I'd say they're in dire straits now because of it.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 15, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.
??
Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels will shed kids big time as they get older and the numbers of teams fielded decreases as they move up to higher levels.
Sure, some youngsters will drop out due to a variety of reasons and this is true of all sports but in GA  clubs with huge numbers of kids in the lower grades to start off with, will be forced to drop those who don't make the cut.
One club I have been associated with can field up to a half dozen teams at u9s/u10s level without a bother but, ASAIK, have only two teams at u15 level. (Been a while since I was involved but I've n reason to believe that things are different now.)
I've seen many youngsters being terribly upset when told there wasn't a place for them anymore.
Soccer in contrast can have clubs with only a pitch loaned by the city council and a disused 40 foot container to get going.
No wonder that a far higher % of children play soccer than Gaelic.

GAA clubs lease pitches from councils and use containers as well. That's a shocking policy that club followed, I'd say they're in dire straits now because of it.

But that's the policy all very large clubs follow; there is no other feasible one. In my personal experience anyway, the vast majority of children that join a GAA club does so through their school. The vast majority will be gone by their Junior Cert year. 
Some would drop out anyway, as happens in other sports but most leave because they can no longer get a place on a team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on November 15, 2016, 11:12:21 PM
QuoteNo wonder that a far higher % of children play soccer than Gaelic.

Where is this?
It is certainly not the case where i live.... 'west' Westmeath. Far more GAA clubs than soccer clubs and typically far greater numbers in those GAA clubs than in soccer clubs.
Membership price is hurting the underage soccer though ..... my local GAA club has a family membership cost of €100 which includes a weekly club lotto entry. The local soccer club has a membership cost for my young fella of €105
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 15, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 15, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on November 14, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 14, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 13, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
GAA should be about providing games for as many people as possible

super clubs don't do that
Why would you say that?

Super clubs have more teams, so everyone still gets to play. And when grading happens at around U12 or U13 (not sure exactly), then you're more likely to be graded at a level that suits you (whereas in a smaller club, you could be a great lad in a poor team, or a plodder in a good team). Still, having always been involved in a smaller club I wouldnt want to be with one of the super clubs, but don't think there's anything wrong with them per se.

Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels often keep lads involved who improve later, that might otherwise have quit in a one team set-up.
??
Clubs with multiple teams at lower levels will shed kids big time as they get older and the numbers of teams fielded decreases as they move up to higher levels.
Sure, some youngsters will drop out due to a variety of reasons and this is true of all sports but in GA  clubs with huge numbers of kids in the lower grades to start off with, will be forced to drop those who don't make the cut.
One club I have been associated with can field up to a half dozen teams at u9s/u10s level without a bother but, ASAIK, have only two teams at u15 level. (Been a while since I was involved but I've n reason to believe that things are different now.)
I've seen many youngsters being terribly upset when told there wasn't a place for them anymore.
Soccer in contrast can have clubs with only a pitch loaned by the city council and a disused 40 foot container to get going.
No wonder that a far higher % of children play soccer than Gaelic.

GAA clubs lease pitches from councils and use containers as well. That's a shocking policy that club followed, I'd say they're in dire straits now because of it.

But that's the policy all very large clubs follow; there is no other feasible one. In my personal experience anyway, the vast majority of children that join a GAA club does so through their school. The vast majority will be gone by their Junior Cert year. 
Some would drop out anyway, as happens in other sports but most leave because they can no longer get a place on a team.

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
And to keep to the title of the thread, the Friends of Dublin raised over 7 grand yesterday for a pair of AI tickets for next year and a signed Diarmuid Connolly jersey, SEVEN GRAND!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2016, 11:29:53 AM
They should have asked Lee Keegan for one. With all the handfuls he's collected, he's bound to be able to stitch together a full jersey. :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.

Agree with all that Hound, that tallies with all I've seen and heard.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
I've seen it happen all the time and I've been involved with a few Dublin clubs for decades.
It's not the fault of team managers or anyone connected with the clubs, it's a case that the number of teams fielded in any given year decreases as players moves up the age levels.
That happens for all clubs but if you were to compare a huge club with, say, a total of four smaller ones, you'll find that the kids who join tend to stay around longer as there's less pressure for places as the age levels go up.


Four small clubs will field four senior sides.
One superclub will field one senior side.


Supposing the players in each scenario are drawn from roughly the same catchment area;without doubt the side fielded by the mega club would be better than any of the sides from any one of the smaller clubs. But my point is that, in the second case, there would be a far greater number of players still actively engaged in playing Gaelic football.
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
I've seen it happen all the time and I've been involved with a few Dublin clubs for decades.
It's not the fault of team managers or anyone connected with the clubs, it's a case that the number of teams fielded in any given year decreases as players moves up the age levels.
That happens for all clubs but if you were to compare a huge club with, say, a total of four smaller ones, you'll find that the kids who join tend to stay around longer as there's less pressure for places as the age levels go up.


Four small clubs will field four senior sides.
One superclub will field one senior side.


Supposing the players in each scenario are drawn from roughly the same catchment area;without doubt the side fielded by the mega club would be better than any of the sides from any one of the smaller clubs. But my point is that, in the second case, there would be a far greater number of players still actively engaged in playing Gaelic football.
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.

Seen what happen all the time Lar, players falling away naturally or players being told there wasn't room for them at the club? Hell of a difference between both senarios.

Regarding Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, there is no doubt that they don't concentrate on all the available talent to them. Take Erin's Isle for example, I'm sure they have their traditional primary feeder schools in the immediate area that they go into and will get all the interested talent from. But there would also be primary schools on the edge of their catchment area that they would be relying on either an interested teacher or parent driving the kids up to the club. If Erin's Isle wants to get back winning Dublin championships they'd have to expand their recruitment strategy, get around to all the primary schools in the area and get them all up to the club on Saturday mornings from the age of 4. Provide as many teams as they have numbers for and keep as many kids as interested for as long as they can. It's not rocket science but it will be bloody hard work.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
I've seen it happen all the time and I've been involved with a few Dublin clubs for decades.
It's not the fault of team managers or anyone connected with the clubs, it's a case that the number of teams fielded in any given year decreases as players moves up the age levels.
That happens for all clubs but if you were to compare a huge club with, say, a total of four smaller ones, you'll find that the kids who join tend to stay around longer as there's less pressure for places as the age levels go up.


Four small clubs will field four senior sides.
One superclub will field one senior side.


Supposing the players in each scenario are drawn from roughly the same catchment area;without doubt the side fielded by the mega club would be better than any of the sides from any one of the smaller clubs. But my point is that, in the second case, there would be a far greater number of players still actively engaged in playing Gaelic football.
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.

Seen what happen all the time Lar, players falling away naturally or players being told there wasn't room for them at the club? Hell of a difference between both senarios.

Regarding Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, there is no doubt that they don't concentrate on all the available talent to them. Take Erin's Isle for example, I'm sure they have their traditional primary feeder schools in the immediate area that they go into and will get all the interested talent from. But there would also be primary schools on the edge of their catchment area that they would be relying on either an interested teacher or parent driving the kids up to the club. If Erin's Isle wants to get back winning Dublin championships they'd have to expand their recruitment strategy, get around to all the primary schools in the area and get them all up to the club on Saturday mornings from the age of 4. Provide as many teams as they have numbers for and keep as many kids as interested for as long as they can. It's not rocket science but it will be bloody hard work.
Actually, I've been going to great lengths to emphasise that I'm referring to both types of dropouts. Both are inevitable consequences of young players growing up. My point is that the  superclubs approach is not the best way to entice children to join a GAA club or to keep them involved until they are old enough to make up their own minds.
Such clubs offer many advantages to incoming players that small, more localised units can't offer but their dropout rates, for either reason, tend to be much higher.
As you put it diplomatically, Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, don't concentrate on all the available talent to them but I'd also add that they don't do a good job of holding onto them either. Nothing personal here; it's just the way the system operates.
One of my nephews played hurling with Ballyboden until the end of his u14 season.  There had been four sides fielded by the club then at the time but the lad was devastated to find that there would be only two sides at u15 level and that he was not going to get his place.
Now, I don't particularly want to blame anyone for this - something similar happens in most clubs all the time. I can't offhand think of any club I'm familiar with that fields more than two minor level teams. (May be open to correction here but I don't think so.)
What is indisputable is that any club fielding 6 or 7 u9s sides or the likes won't be able to give places to all kids who want to stay on as they move up the ranks.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 16, 2016, 11:19:18 PM
I see they have to travel to Wexford or Portlaoise for the Leinster Q Final.
I imagine the Laoishites won't be too impressed - they couldn't play Dublin in O'Moore Park but Carlow can!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Beffs on November 16, 2016, 11:43:58 PM
Bitta egg on the faces of the Leinster Council there. Portlaoise wasn't good enough, or big enough to host the Dubs last year, but it is this year? Okey dokey then.  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
I've seen it happen all the time and I've been involved with a few Dublin clubs for decades.
It's not the fault of team managers or anyone connected with the clubs, it's a case that the number of teams fielded in any given year decreases as players moves up the age levels.
That happens for all clubs but if you were to compare a huge club with, say, a total of four smaller ones, you'll find that the kids who join tend to stay around longer as there's less pressure for places as the age levels go up.


Four small clubs will field four senior sides.
One superclub will field one senior side.


Supposing the players in each scenario are drawn from roughly the same catchment area;without doubt the side fielded by the mega club would be better than any of the sides from any one of the smaller clubs. But my point is that, in the second case, there would be a far greater number of players still actively engaged in playing Gaelic football.
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.

Seen what happen all the time Lar, players falling away naturally or players being told there wasn't room for them at the club? Hell of a difference between both senarios.

Regarding Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, there is no doubt that they don't concentrate on all the available talent to them. Take Erin's Isle for example, I'm sure they have their traditional primary feeder schools in the immediate area that they go into and will get all the interested talent from. But there would also be primary schools on the edge of their catchment area that they would be relying on either an interested teacher or parent driving the kids up to the club. If Erin's Isle wants to get back winning Dublin championships they'd have to expand their recruitment strategy, get around to all the primary schools in the area and get them all up to the club on Saturday mornings from the age of 4. Provide as many teams as they have numbers for and keep as many kids as interested for as long as they can. It's not rocket science but it will be bloody hard work.
Actually, I've been going to great lengths to emphasise that I'm referring to both types of dropouts. Both are inevitable consequences of young players growing up. My point is that the  superclubs approach is not the best way to entice children to join a GAA club or to keep them involved until they are old enough to make up their own minds.
Such clubs offer many advantages to incoming players that small, more localised units can't offer but their dropout rates, for either reason, tend to be much higher.
As you put it diplomatically, Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, don't concentrate on all the available talent to them but I'd also add that they don't do a good job of holding onto them either. Nothing personal here; it's just the way the system operates.
One of my nephews played hurling with Ballyboden until the end of his u14 season.  There had been four sides fielded by the club then at the time but the lad was devastated to find that there would be only two sides at u15 level and that he was not going to get his place.
Now, I don't particularly want to blame anyone for this - something similar happens in most clubs all the time. I can't offhand think of any club I'm familiar with that fields more than two minor level teams. (May be open to correction here but I don't think so.)
What is indisputable is that any club fielding 6 or 7 u9s sides or the likes won't be able to give places to all kids who want to stay on as they move up the ranks.

When did that happen Lar? Ballyboden have 3 minor football teams for a start and with people dropping away naturally that filters down to 2 u21 teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 17, 2016, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
I've seen it happen all the time and I've been involved with a few Dublin clubs for decades.
It's not the fault of team managers or anyone connected with the clubs, it's a case that the number of teams fielded in any given year decreases as players moves up the age levels.
That happens for all clubs but if you were to compare a huge club with, say, a total of four smaller ones, you'll find that the kids who join tend to stay around longer as there's less pressure for places as the age levels go up.


Four small clubs will field four senior sides.
One superclub will field one senior side.


Supposing the players in each scenario are drawn from roughly the same catchment area;without doubt the side fielded by the mega club would be better than any of the sides from any one of the smaller clubs. But my point is that, in the second case, there would be a far greater number of players still actively engaged in playing Gaelic football.
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.

Seen what happen all the time Lar, players falling away naturally or players being told there wasn't room for them at the club? Hell of a difference between both senarios.

Regarding Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, there is no doubt that they don't concentrate on all the available talent to them. Take Erin's Isle for example, I'm sure they have their traditional primary feeder schools in the immediate area that they go into and will get all the interested talent from. But there would also be primary schools on the edge of their catchment area that they would be relying on either an interested teacher or parent driving the kids up to the club. If Erin's Isle wants to get back winning Dublin championships they'd have to expand their recruitment strategy, get around to all the primary schools in the area and get them all up to the club on Saturday mornings from the age of 4. Provide as many teams as they have numbers for and keep as many kids as interested for as long as they can. It's not rocket science but it will be bloody hard work.
Actually, I've been going to great lengths to emphasise that I'm referring to both types of dropouts. Both are inevitable consequences of young players growing up. My point is that the  superclubs approach is not the best way to entice children to join a GAA club or to keep them involved until they are old enough to make up their own minds.
Such clubs offer many advantages to incoming players that small, more localised units can't offer but their dropout rates, for either reason, tend to be much higher.
As you put it diplomatically, Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, don't concentrate on all the available talent to them but I'd also add that they don't do a good job of holding onto them either. Nothing personal here; it's just the way the system operates.
One of my nephews played hurling with Ballyboden until the end of his u14 season.  There had been four sides fielded by the club then at the time but the lad was devastated to find that there would be only two sides at u15 level and that he was not going to get his place.
Now, I don't particularly want to blame anyone for this - something similar happens in most clubs all the time. I can't offhand think of any club I'm familiar with that fields more than two minor level teams. (May be open to correction here but I don't think so.)
What is indisputable is that any club fielding 6 or 7 u9s sides or the likes won't be able to give places to all kids who want to stay on as they move up the ranks.

When did that happen Lar? Ballyboden have 3 minor football teams for a start and with people dropping away naturally that filters down to 2 u21 teams.
Well, he's 23 now so that's about six years ago. But note I was talking about u15 hurling and not u18 football.  I'd imagine that more play football than hurling but I could be wrong. However, he wasn't the only one who was told that he'd not get a game anymore. From what I was told there was a definite cull in numbers at that age level. I accept what you say about three minors feeding into 2 u21s okay. That's what one would expect.
However, Ballyboden would have (still, I presume) far more than 3 u10s.
Even if the improbable were true and those who didn't get to play minor had left of their own volition, it's still a very inefficient way of getting youngsters to join and stay with a Gaelic club.
BTW, I've nothing personal against any Dublin club or Jim Gavin & Co. for that matter. I also realise tat for practical reasons, the superclubs are going to be around for the foreseeable future.
MY point all along is that the CC in pouring money into the present Dublin club sceneis helping to perpetuate a system with significant flaws.
I mentioned Isles because there's no other, similar club in its vicinity so it has a well-defined catchment area. This happens to be equal in population to the entire county of Cavan. Cavan is hardly likely to win an AI anytime soon but it has a thriving and energetic football community and, between its 41 clubs, a helluva lot more Gaelic players that Isles has.
If by some stroke of I dunno whatever, black magic maybe, the entire island was to adopt the Dublin model and hoover up all players into huge clubs such as 'Boden or Vincents, what future would there be for the GAA?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on November 17, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
But you can't just create clubs in cities. You need playing facilities and people willing to drive it. I doubt anyone would argue that it's ideal to have a club catering for 50-60,000 people but it isn't easy to solve that problem, especially in built up areas where available land is limited and expensive.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 17, 2016, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2016, 09:51:20 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 16, 2016, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2016, 11:26:31 AM

To the best of my knowledge Lar, the way all "super clubs" operate is they supply as many teams as their numbers cater for. Kids drop out of sports all the time unfortunately, they loose interest or want to try something else and GAA is no different. I'm shocked at your example above, I presume it was done due to lack of space/pitches? There's no doubt they drove away kids who in time would have been club stalwarts. I'd wager any money they are in a worse position now than when they enacted this policy, they are certainly the exception to the way the "super clubs" operate.
Croi, I've never heard of a GAA club turning lads away because they're not good enough to make the team.

Yes, when it reaches U14 I think in Dublin, it becomes competitive and there's no guaranteee you'll play every week. But each club puts in as many teams as they can given the players available. So if you've 30, you'll put in two, if you've 45 you'll put in 3.  Sometimes that can mean a load of subs. What most clubs do is that for their lowest grade team, they will mix it up and try and give everyone a minimum amount of game time. Or have a squad system so they bring 20 to a game, so everyone who travels gets gametime, but everyone misses an odd game.

It can be difficult if you've 28 or 40 lads for everyone to get decent game time, but most clubs make the best of it.

A bigger problem, is for the many Dublin clubs who can only get 10 or so lads to turn up regularly at U14 and older. Then they're desperately scrounging around for lads from the team one year younger to try and make up the numbers. Awful when you have to concede a game because of lack of numbers.
I've seen it happen all the time and I've been involved with a few Dublin clubs for decades.
It's not the fault of team managers or anyone connected with the clubs, it's a case that the number of teams fielded in any given year decreases as players moves up the age levels.
That happens for all clubs but if you were to compare a huge club with, say, a total of four smaller ones, you'll find that the kids who join tend to stay around longer as there's less pressure for places as the age levels go up.


Four small clubs will field four senior sides.
One superclub will field one senior side.


Supposing the players in each scenario are drawn from roughly the same catchment area;without doubt the side fielded by the mega club would be better than any of the sides from any one of the smaller clubs. But my point is that, in the second case, there would be a far greater number of players still actively engaged in playing Gaelic football.
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.

Seen what happen all the time Lar, players falling away naturally or players being told there wasn't room for them at the club? Hell of a difference between both senarios.

Regarding Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, there is no doubt that they don't concentrate on all the available talent to them. Take Erin's Isle for example, I'm sure they have their traditional primary feeder schools in the immediate area that they go into and will get all the interested talent from. But there would also be primary schools on the edge of their catchment area that they would be relying on either an interested teacher or parent driving the kids up to the club. If Erin's Isle wants to get back winning Dublin championships they'd have to expand their recruitment strategy, get around to all the primary schools in the area and get them all up to the club on Saturday mornings from the age of 4. Provide as many teams as they have numbers for and keep as many kids as interested for as long as they can. It's not rocket science but it will be bloody hard work.
Actually, I've been going to great lengths to emphasise that I'm referring to both types of dropouts. Both are inevitable consequences of young players growing up. My point is that the  superclubs approach is not the best way to entice children to join a GAA club or to keep them involved until they are old enough to make up their own minds.
Such clubs offer many advantages to incoming players that small, more localised units can't offer but their dropout rates, for either reason, tend to be much higher.
As you put it diplomatically, Dublin clubs and their huge catchment areas, don't concentrate on all the available talent to them but I'd also add that they don't do a good job of holding onto them either. Nothing personal here; it's just the way the system operates.
One of my nephews played hurling with Ballyboden until the end of his u14 season.  There had been four sides fielded by the club then at the time but the lad was devastated to find that there would be only two sides at u15 level and that he was not going to get his place.
Now, I don't particularly want to blame anyone for this - something similar happens in most clubs all the time. I can't offhand think of any club I'm familiar with that fields more than two minor level teams. (May be open to correction here but I don't think so.)
What is indisputable is that any club fielding 6 or 7 u9s sides or the likes won't be able to give places to all kids who want to stay on as they move up the ranks.

When did that happen Lar? Ballyboden have 3 minor football teams for a start and with people dropping away naturally that filters down to 2 u21 teams.
Well, he's 23 now so that's about six years ago. But note I was talking about u15 hurling and not u18 football.  I'd imagine that more play football than hurling but I could be wrong. However, he wasn't the only one who was told that he'd not get a game anymore. From what I was told there was a definite cull in numbers at that age level. I accept what you say about three minors feeding into 2 u21s okay. That's what one would expect.
However, Ballyboden would have (still, I presume) far more than 3 u10s.
Even if the improbable were true and those who didn't get to play minor had left of their own volition, it's still a very inefficient way of getting youngsters to join and stay with a Gaelic club.
BTW, I've nothing personal against any Dublin club or Jim Gavin & Co. for that matter. I also realise tat for practical reasons, the superclubs are going to be around for the foreseeable future.
MY point all along is that the CC in pouring money into the present Dublin club sceneis helping to perpetuate a system with significant flaws.
I mentioned Isles because there's no other, similar club in its vicinity so it has a well-defined catchment area. This happens to be equal in population to the entire county of Cavan. Cavan is hardly likely to win an AI anytime soon but it has a thriving and energetic football community and, between its 41 clubs, a helluva lot more Gaelic players that Isles has.
If by some stroke of I dunno whatever, black magic maybe, the entire island was to adopt the Dublin model and hoover up all players into huge clubs such as 'Boden or Vincents, what future would there be for the GAA?
Will check that out Lar but I'd be shocked if they went from 4 teams at u14 to 2 at u15. You don't loose 2 teams over the course of a year. I would agree that some of these catchment areas are too big but the space to base new teams just isn't there inside the M50.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on November 17, 2016, 01:09:21 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
Will check that out Lar but I'd be shocked if they went from 4 teams at u14 to 2 at u15. You don't loose 2 teams over the course of a year. I would agree that some of these catchment areas are too big but the space to base new teams just isn't there inside the M50.

There's just no way Ballyboden told lads at U15, "you're just not good enough, clear off"
Not a hope.

At under 15 level, I think matches move from Saturday to Sunday, so it brings a clash with soccer, and at that age anyway with exams coming on the scene it's very hard to combine soccer and GAA, like it would have been in previous years, so there's a natural drop off of lads who choose one code, and lads who give up altogether.
But if Ballyboden had only 2 teams, then it was because they didn't have enough lads to make up a 3rd team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on November 17, 2016, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 16, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
To repeat, Erin's Isle, my favourite Dublin club, and by no means one of the bigger ones, has a catchment area roughly in numbers equal to County Cavan with its 41 smaller clubs.
Erin's Isle may have one of the biggest catchment areas in Dublin, but they'd hardly be in the Top 15 of big clubs in Dublin in terms of membership / playing numbers. Because Erin's Isle's catchment area is almost irrelevant.

It's like picking a club up North and saying they get very poor numbers given the big catchment area they have, and it turns out 75% of the people in their area are protestant and most of them wouldn't send their kids to a GAA club.

Finglas is soccer land. That's just a simple fact. And you'd have a sizeable proportion of locals in Finglas who clean hate the GAA, and wouldn't turn on a gaelic match unless they thought they might see the Dubs get beaten and wouldn't dream of letting their lads near a GAA club. And each of those fathers would have a story of how they were slighted by GAA during the Ban. (and of course it's not only Finglas that has sizeable soccer areas)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 03:35:46 PM
I believe Erins Isle took their eye off the ball. Na Fianna and Ballymun have started to recruit from their feeder schools. A couple Balyymun Kickhams players including Alan Hubbard are from Finglas
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.

St Josephs and Pavee have no association with Finlgas. They are based in North Inner City and Traveller Pavee play home games in St Vincents school in Glasnevin. Erins Isle are losing a lot of players in feeder schools to Na Fianna and Ballymun. A lot of their players from 1998 team that got to club final moved onto rival club or down the country.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on November 17, 2016, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.

St Josephs and Pavee have no association with Finlgas. They are based in North Inner City and Traveller Pavee play home games in St Vincents school in Glasnevin. Erins Isle are losing a lot of players in feeder schools to Na Fianna and Ballymun. A lot of their players from 1998 team that got to club final moved onto rival club or down the country.

My club in Westmeath are lucky enough to have one of them. Doing huge work with our underage.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 17, 2016, 01:09:21 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
Will check that out Lar but I'd be shocked if they went from 4 teams at u14 to 2 at u15. You don't loose 2 teams over the course of a year. I would agree that some of these catchment areas are too big but the space to base new teams just isn't there inside the M50.

There's just no way Ballyboden told lads at U15, "you're just not good enough, clear off"
Not a hope.

At under 15 level, I think matches move from Saturday to Sunday, so it brings a clash with soccer, and at that age anyway with exams coming on the scene it's very hard to combine soccer and GAA, like it would have been in previous years, so there's a natural drop off of lads who choose one code, and lads who give up altogether.
But if Ballyboden had only 2 teams, then it was because they didn't have enough lads to make up a 3rd team.


U14 & U16 are Saturday afternoons. u15 and minor are Sunday mornings which clashes. My own club suffers badly when clashes with soccer
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: shark on November 17, 2016, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.

St Josephs and Pavee have no association with Finlgas. They are based in North Inner City and Traveller Pavee play home games in St Vincents school in Glasnevin. Erins Isle are losing a lot of players in feeder schools to Na Fianna and Ballymun. A lot of their players from 1998 team that got to club final moved onto rival club or down the country.

My club in Westmeath are lucky enough to have one of them. Doing huge work with our underage.

Which player is that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on November 17, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: shark on November 17, 2016, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.

St Josephs and Pavee have no association with Finlgas. They are based in North Inner City and Traveller Pavee play home games in St Vincents school in Glasnevin. Erins Isle are losing a lot of players in feeder schools to Na Fianna and Ballymun. A lot of their players from 1998 team that got to club final moved onto rival club or down the country.

My club in Westmeath are lucky enough to have one of them. Doing huge work with our underage.

Which player is that?

Robbie Boyle.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 04:13:03 PM
He played in Meath for a few years with Simonstown Gaels. Wayne McCarthy another Isles man played there too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 17, 2016, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 17, 2016, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 11, 2016, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
Good to see all that money going so well on game promotion and development of players

http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/ (http://otoolesgac.ie/2016/11/07/senior-hurlers-wanted/)

then as someone stated perhaps that money is only about developing elite players and not keeping kids in the game.

That advert is more akin to Senior Rugby than GAA.
That's very true and it's disappointing to say the least, that the CC and the Dublin CB haven't recognised the fact.
I'm not being anti-Dub here but there are facts that shouldn't be ignored. The superclub system that operates widely in Dublin is great for coaching elite players and bringing them through to senior level but this "success" comes at a hefty price.
Just compare County Cavan with Finglas, a suburb in  Dublin.


According to the last census returns, Cavan has a population of 76,000.
According to local garda sources, the K district, covering Finglas, Cabra and Blanchardstown has roughly the same amount.
The Cavan GAA site says the number of clubs in Cavan is 41.
The number of clubs in Finglas is one.
There is a slight overlap with St Brigid's in Castleknock but to all intents and purposes, Erin's Isle is the only GAA club that matters in Finglas. (There is another small junior club, St Joseph's,and there is the Pavee Gaels club that caters exclusively for the Travelling community.


So one club in Finglas compared to 41 in Cavan.


In fairness to Isles, the club has good contacts with the Primary schools in the area and draws all its juvenile members from those schools but in recent times the number of males teaching at this level is dropping sharply and so is the commitment to Gaelic games.
Isles only gets a small percentage of potential juvenile players in its catchment area and the vast majority of those who join will either leave as they get older or are dropped due to a shortage of teams as the age level increases.
Soccer, by comparison, has Tolka Rovers, roughly equal in size to Isles and there are (at least) 14 other clubs in the general Finglas area.
No problem guessing what the dominant sport in this area is.
I have had associations with Isles going back many years and I have nothing but praise for their underage structures and the volunteers who look after teams but they are not winning the hearts and minds of the ordinary public and there are many other clubs in Isles' position throughout County Dublin.

St Josephs and Pavee have no association with Finlgas. They are based in North Inner City and Traveller Pavee play home games in St Vincents school in Glasnevin. Erins Isle are losing a lot of players in feeder schools to Na Fianna and Ballymun. A lot of their players from 1998 team that got to club final moved onto rival club or down the country.
I know next to nothing about St. Josephs but since I was told that a couple of former pupils were playing with them I assumed it had a Finglas connection. The Pavee club has no connection with the general community in Finglas but draws a lot of its members from the tigíns on Cappagh Road.
I can understand that Isles could be losing youngsters from local schools as the numbers of male teachers in Primary Schools are steadily declining. I'd say more than 90% of children who join Gaelic clubs come via their school and I can see why Na Fianna and Ballymun would be looking further afield that they used to do.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
The GAA in Dublin needs to start setting up small junior clubs based on pitches in the public parks to provide semi-recreational games for players who don't want to commit to lots of training and to lads who drop out of the bigger clubs and want to do something to play and a social outlet


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 18, 2016, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
The GAA in Dublin needs to start setting up small junior clubs based on pitches in the public parks to provide semi-recreational games for players who don't want to commit to lots of training and to lads who drop out of the bigger clubs and want to do something to play and a social outlet

Most teams in Division 10 & 11 wouldn't train. Most big clubs would use their bottom team as social team. Others have team where lads just train together and play challenge games against other social teams. Round Towers Clondalkin have a gaelic for fathers team. This is most made up of parents from juvenile teams. They train twice a week and play challenge games once a month. The matches are non contact and 2 touches on ball.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 18, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
The GAA in Dublin needs to start setting up small junior clubs based on pitches in the public parks to provide semi-recreational games for players who don't want to commit to lots of training and to lads who drop out of the bigger clubs and want to do something to play and a social outlet
I think you are dead right; a change of approach is badly needed. Can't see it happening however as there are entrenched interests standing in the way of progress. Established, large clubs wouldn't tolerate any opposition even if it's in the long-term interests of all.
As Hound says, Finglas is strong soccer territory but with one club in an area with over 70,000 people, something needs to be done  to raise the GAA's profile in the region and I suppose in every other part of Dublin as well.
But a good majority of them will at least tolerate the existence of the GAA and lots of them would put on the Dub jersey and wind up on the Hill if the Dubs were playing. More lager and craic than a loyalty to the county team but not actively opposed to Gaelic games either. Mind you, many are anti but you'd still get a few Gaelic clubs if your proposal was adopted.
I taught in Finglas for many years and we used to run a Gaelic league every year coming up to the summer holidays.
Very few in the school were unwilling to play and the craic was brilliant. Then one year I had a brilliant sixth class, every single one in the classroom was a wee bit unstable and that included yours truly.
Kids decided that Gaelic was easy peasy and decided to challenge the rest of the senior classes in the school.  No problem to my littler warriors; they thrashed the pick of the other four classes.
Next up was Erin's Isle where the manager of the A team was a colleague. We beat them well and to cap it all, the school principal turned up to cheer roar on my class. A Clanns man through and through which  meant naturally that I had to stop him abusing the ref and making a jackass of himself on the sideline.
The kids were giddy with excitement when he turned out to be human after all.
Next up was Whitehall Colmcilles where the A manager was also a good friend. At this stage most of the school kids and teachers had got in on the act and a few parents as well. It was a game played on the school pitch and the visitors were intimidated by the reception they got. We won this one as well. My little beauts weren't too worried about the finer points of the game; they harried and tackled in droves and never let up from beginning to end and were never too fussy about the rules either, same as me.
There were four other Primary schools in the area and we challenged the school teams of all of them,. Two took up the challenge  and lost heavily and the other two chickened out.
Then we were up to the end of the school year and I was heartbroken when my kids left. They weren't too happy either but life had to go on...
Now, the point I'm getting at is that only a handful joined Isles and they had all left by the time they had reached fifteen.
This is where i disagree with the superclub approach.
Schoolchildren tend to hang around with their mates and are reluctant to stray too far from their comfort zone. My Apaches loved the adventure and buzz that went with playing as a unit. I don't think they were too worried about the type of game they played. It could have been Ludo for all they cared. A pat on the back from Sir and the obligatory choc ice was all it took to keep them revved up.
It was a bit like the soccer model.
The disused container and a lack of showers etc. wouldn't have bothered anyone at all. They were playing with their mates and felt comfortable with all around them.The average schoolboy playing soccer will be playing with his pals, on a team managed buy someone's da or uncle or elder brother and doesn't have to go outside familiar territory unless being taken to a game by someone they know.
Even if the GAA followed a policy such as outlined above, there still would be considerable obstacles in the way but youi'd  get a helluva lot more than one club with a catchment area of 72/73,000.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:57:13 PM
Really enjoyed that story Lar. Sounds like your school was one of those schools on the perimeter of the Erin's Isle catchment area? This is what I was referring to earlier, if Erin's Isle want to get back to winning Dublin championships they need to be going around to the perimeter schools and get all football playing kids up to the club. A handful is no good as you illustrated.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 22, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:57:13 PM
Really enjoyed that story Lar. Sounds like your school was one of those schools on the perimeter of the Erin's Isle catchment area? This is what I was referring to earlier, if Erin's Isle want to get back to winning Dublin championships they need to be going around to the perimeter schools and get all football playing kids up to the club. A handful is no good as you illustrated.
Sorry, Croí, I had thought we'd given the thread a break as I've been AWOL for a few days.
However, your post deserves a reply as there are some issues about my relative success that are not immediately obvious to anyone not directly involved in juvenile football.
My school is one of the traditional 'feeders' to Isles. But it is about a mile and a half away and that means some kids might have to travel up to two miles  on foot or more on a Saturday. (NOt all dads have cars or would bother to drive and collect their children from any sort of club.)
That's not far by country standards but it's a different matter in suburban Dublin.
Unless there are at least four or five in a group, mammies might be reluctant to see their kids go so far and, anyway, a walk to and from a game of a mile or more would put many youngsters off.
Children at the age my little warriors were, are fairly territorial. They like hanging around with their mates and don't mix easily with outsiders. Those going to play for Isles or any other big club will be playing with kids for other schools and there's often a mutual animosity between them.
THey will also be managed by otherwise well-meaning individuals who are strangers to them and that can make some uneasy.
One might think that the presence of big, modern changing rooms with plenty of showers etc. would be an enticement to join. For many around this age, the opposite holds true. The noise and confusion and having to undress in front of strangers puts many off joining such a club.
Along with all of that, there are a number of families, a sizeable minority, that want nothing to do with Gaelic games. That could be historical antipathy, after all, this is The Pale but a lot of it is down to people's' experience of been forced to play Gah at school when stickwork had nothing to do with Kilkenny.
My little bunnies, all 31 of them, felt comfortable with everyone around them. Same as in soccer, where the managers are often neighbours and the other kids live on the same road, they had only a prefab to change in and when playing at the school and had it to themselves also.
In light of all of this, I think 'delmonte's proposal (above) is an eminently sensible one.
A huge issue I have with the proposed drive in Dublin to recruit coaches to sharpen the skills of already existing players- it won't, of itself, bring a single new recruit into a GAA club.
It will help to widen the already considerable skills' gap between Dublin and the chasing pack, but it won't increase the percentage of young players who opt to continuing playing Gaelic football.
Make no mistake about it, Dub clubs may have literally hundreds of babysitting age haring around their playing fields but holding onto them is a different matter.
Once they are old enough to feel self-conscious or have to travel on their own by bus or Shank's mare, many won't go the distance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 23, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 22, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 18, 2016, 02:57:13 PM
Really enjoyed that story Lar. Sounds like your school was one of those schools on the perimeter of the Erin's Isle catchment area? This is what I was referring to earlier, if Erin's Isle want to get back to winning Dublin championships they need to be going around to the perimeter schools and get all football playing kids up to the club. A handful is no good as you illustrated.
Sorry, Croí, I had thought we'd given the thread a break as I've been AWOL for a few days.
However, your post deserves a reply as there are some issues about my relative success that are not immediately obvious to anyone not directly involved in juvenile football.
My school is one of the traditional 'feeders' to Isles. But it is about a mile and a half away and that means some kids might have to travel up to two miles  on foot or more on a Saturday. (NOt all dads have cars or would bother to drive and collect their children from any sort of club.)
That's not far by country standards but it's a different matter in suburban Dublin.
Unless there are at least four or five in a group, mammies might be reluctant to see their kids go so far and, anyway, a walk to and from a game of a mile or more would put many youngsters off.
Children at the age my little warriors were, are fairly territorial. They like hanging around with their mates and don't mix easily with outsiders. Those going to play for Isles or any other big club will be playing with kids for other schools and there's often a mutual animosity between them.
THey will also be managed by otherwise well-meaning individuals who are strangers to them and that can make some uneasy.
One might think that the presence of big, modern changing rooms with plenty of showers etc. would be an enticement to join. For many around this age, the opposite holds true. The noise and confusion and having to undress in front of strangers puts many off joining such a club.
Along with all of that, there are a number of families, a sizeable minority, that want nothing to do with Gaelic games. That could be historical antipathy, after all, this is The Pale but a lot of it is down to people's' experience of been forced to play Gah at school when stickwork had nothing to do with Kilkenny.
My little bunnies, all 31 of them, felt comfortable with everyone around them. Same as in soccer, where the managers are often neighbours and the other kids live on the same road, they had only a prefab to change in and when playing at the school and had it to themselves also.
In light of all of this, I think 'delmonte's proposal (above) is an eminently sensible one.
A huge issue I have with the proposed drive in Dublin to recruit coaches to sharpen the skills of already existing players- it won't, of itself, bring a single new recruit into a GAA club.
It will help to widen the already considerable skills' gap between Dublin and the chasing pack, but it won't increase the percentage of young players who opt to continuing playing Gaelic football.
Make no mistake about it, Dub clubs may have literally hundreds of babysitting age haring around their playing fields but holding onto them is a different matter.
Once they are old enough to feel self-conscious or have to travel on their own by bus or Shank's mare, many won't go the distance.

There are certainly challenges there Lar in your example but they are not insurmountable. My kids school is 4.5km from the club but it's a feeder school where the GPO goes in once a week for an hour and it has a great record of feeding kids through to the club. Now I take your point that most of us are lucky enough to have cars to bring our kids up there on a Saturday morning but if anyone's stuck someone will pick them up and when they're old enough they can cycle. If you get them up there from the age of 4/5 then they will have more friends for life and not be landed into a strange dressing room when they are 10/11. So you'd need a co-ordinated approach with the schools and lifts but the key is getting them up as early an age as possible, if you leave it till 6th class then you've already lost the battle IMO>
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 09, 2017, 07:56:17 PM
I thought we had finished with this topic and that all to be said had been said and then along came Sean Moran...
This was his article in the Irish Times yesterday. (Wed.)
I think it's worth a read.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-gaelic-games-equality-problem-is-getting-worse-1.2967169)

Seán Moran: Gaelic games' equality problem is getting worse
Yes, the GAA created a monster in Dublin, but did they have any other choice?


They might be trivial compared to events on a global scale but the GAA must face up to some ominous signs blowing around its own world. Equality is an ambivalent concept within organised sport, an activity that has always elevated the winner over the loser and within whose context "elite" is not generally considered a pejorative term.
As things stand, however, equality is becoming more and more of a problem for Gaelic games. A good deal of this has made itself prominent early in the year, as the GAA changes its reporting calendar to cater for annual Congress in February rather than April.
Two of the bigger issues to emerge from the last few weeks have been the club fixtures' crisis and the ongoing balance of funding between Dublin and other counties.
Sifting through the annual report, financial report and motions list for Congress at the end of this month, a sense of unease is unavoidable despite another solid year financially and administratively.
The establishment of the Club Players Association drew further attention to the now chronic inequality between the preponderance of players whose activities keep the games alive in communities up and down the country and the intercounty panels who have become increasingly central to the GAA's business model.
One of the reasons the round-robin proposal for the All-Ireland quarter-finals has been tabled is the sliding interest in the last eight in recent years and although the continuing box-office strength of the final stages of the championship has kept the revenues buoyant –partly thanks to a proliferation of replays (after 12 years without one, there arrived four in five seasons – it had taken 40 years for the previous four) – the gap between top counties and the chasing pack has been taking its toll.
Intrusion
Of course this disparity is not particularly new but whereas in the past the provincial and All-Ireland championships wended their way through the summer without causing too much intrusion and the gate receipts were modest if much appreciated, in recent years the intercounty competitions have grown in prominence and, above all, in financial value.
It's just 20 years since the GAA began to add fixtures to the All-Ireland championships. For the last year of the sudden-death format, 1996, gate receipts for the season were £6 million, which adjusted for inflation comes in at about €11.5 million – just over a third of the figures for last year (€30 million).
These increased earnings have been reflected in the greatly enhanced profile of the intercounty championships. Further evidence of this can be seen in the figures that show gate receipts 20 years ago constituted a full 70 per cent of income, whereas the significantly higher receipts for the most recent year made up just 50 per cent.
This tells its own tale of greatly increased commercial and broadcasting activity.
The problem is that the more commercially adroit the association has become, the more its constituent parts and sponsorship, no less than sporting feats, is the preserve of winners.
On his RTÉ radio programme on Tuesday, Seán O'Rourke spoke to GAA broadcaster and journalist Damien Lawlor about the disparity between Dublin, with their sponsorship cache of nearly a million a year, and mid-ranking counties, who might take in €30,000.
Before commercialism entered the world of the GAA, such disparities couldn't exist, even if different ones did, most obviously population.
Amateurism, then, actually becomes a problem. Why? Because the GAA is not essentially about regulating competing professional "franchises" but rather developing the games. Were it simply a professional sports organisation with a subsidiary development remit, players could go to the highest bidder and would only have to play at intercounty level – at a stroke relieving fixtures' congestion.
Clearly there's also a downside. Discarding amateurism could well end up in insufficient revenue to keep the show on the road and there would also be risk in the extent to which the public and more importantly volunteers would lose interest in an activity which had effectively cut the umbilical cord between players and community.
Slipstream
But the downside at present is that the big, traditional counties can deepen the division between themselves and others because of advantages that didn't seem so pronounced 100 years ago, when even if Dublin had established a firm hold on football with 11 of the first 29 All-Irelands there was still space in their slipstream for other Leinster counties – Wexford, Kildare and Louth – to win titles as well.
These days both GAA director of finance Tom Ryan and Croke Park Stadium director Peter McKenna have both lamented the scorched earth of the Leinster football championship and its impact on revenues.
It is sometimes argued that the GAA have created a monster with the rise of Dublin but what else could they have done?
The biggest population centre in the State had always been challenging territory for the GAA and the decision over 15 years to pump sustained funds into the county has been a success. By taking seriously the need to engage in what had been an inadequately developed region, the GAA has ended up with a county which has improved that engagement to the extent that it has become a dominant competitive presence.
Act in an attempt to level the playing field competitively and there is the danger of undermining the spread of Gaelic games in the capital. Dublin chief executive John Costello argued the point in his annual report.
"Put bluntly, extra funding for other counties should not come at the direct expense of Dublin's games development initiatives. Bleed that well dry and it won't be long before soccer and rugby make inroads back into terrain that Dublin GAA has fought, tooth and nail, to colonise in the first place."
There are no obvious answers, apart from tearing up traditional structures and risking local attachments and loyalties fostered over more than a century.
Put another way, no easy answers.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on February 09, 2017, 08:00:11 PM
"Put bluntly, extra funding for other counties should not come at the direct expense of Dublin's games development initiatives"

I agree. The problems is not the development on the base, but the effect the success of that development has on representative teams that draw from a much larger population than elsewhere in the country. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoaremagic on March 03, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2017, 04:59:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hFudjAS.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on March 03, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.
One club dominating in a county for 5 years plus doesn't auger well for the county team.
similarly, one team dominating nationally will not be good for the GAA

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Avondhu star on March 04, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on March 03, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.
One club dominating in a county for 5 years plus doesn't auger well for the county team.
similarly, one team dominating nationally will not be good for the GAA

What have the likes of Meath Kildare Offaly done to change the system. At present they are only providing pre Quarter Final training sessions for Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 04, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
It is already 16 years since a Leinster county apart from Dublin reached an AI final. There is no hope in the foreseeable future of that changing. Leinster football is in terminal decline at the moment and it could be argued is already dead.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2017, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 04, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
It is already 16 years since a Leinster county apart from Dublin reached an AI final. There is no hope in the foreseeable future of that changing. Leinster football is in terminal decline at the moment and it could be argued is already dead.
where has the majority of development funding gone?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2017, 10:07:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2017, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 04, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
It is already 16 years since a Leinster county apart from Dublin reached an AI final. There is no hope in the foreseeable future of that changing. Leinster football is in terminal decline at the moment and it could be argued is already dead.
where has the majority of development funding gone?
To Dublin of course. I put up this link a while ago but it's still relevant today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-gaelic-games-equality-problem-is-getting-worse-1.2967169

This is what John Costello, the Dubs' chief exec and a decent man to boot, had to say in his annual report.
"Put bluntly, extra funding for other counties should not come at the direct expense of Dublin's games development initiatives. Bleed that well dry and it won't be long before soccer and rugby make inroads back into terrain that Dublin GAA has fought, tooth and nail, to colonise in the first place."

If that attitude prevails, who the hell will be able to compete with the Dubs? Will All Irelands be between Dublin and Dublin Reserves







Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2017, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on March 04, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 04, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on March 03, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Find a proper plan and ethos as regards Dublin in the gaa.

When they are trying to justify the funding directed to it they describe it as more of a province. When they want to compete it is a county. You don't need to be a genius to see that isnt going to work in the long term as regards fair competition.

We probably need a fresh and objective pair of eyes or two to have a look at things. For example, the logic where the DCB decide that because they cant get a decent crowd into croke park, they should instead build another smaller stadium, just underlines the issue. But of course, if we seen this happening in something we arent really involved with, like the SPL for example we would say well surely a better option is addressing the lack of competition and making a great spectacle for people to actually watch, thereby getting people into the stadium instead of building a smaller one to suit the dwindling crowds for a product that seems to be losing interest...

That is what people don't consider enough in the gaa - what makes a competition good isn't the level of the top team, it is the competition between the teams, with a bit of rivalry thrown in.

Now Dubs will of course say, this is just anti-dub - it actually isn't, Id say the same for any county in that situation. It is in fact anti-nothing, but rather Pro-gaa. The biggest issue in the gaa today is that we are headed the same way as the SPL in Scotland. This needs to change.

Sorry if I went on a bit there, but the point needed a bit of explanation.
One club dominating in a county for 5 years plus doesn't auger well for the county team.
similarly, one team dominating nationally will not be good for the GAA

What have the likes of Meath Kildare Offaly done to change the system. At present they are only providing pre Quarter Final training sessions for Dublin

Ha! Dublin hammer Mayo and somehow it's a Leinster problem, I thought the concensus was that this a GAA problem, created and sustained by the GAA. Sure I suppose teams need to work harder and start producing natural born footballers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Avondhu star on March 04, 2017, 11:27:44 PM
Money for jam
No wonder there's a gambling problem in the Gaa.
200 double on Waterford Dublin is nice one
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2017, 11:51:39 AM
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/doing-nothing-is-not-an-option-as-vanishing-clubs-reflect-growing-malaise-35502751.html (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/doing-nothing-is-not-an-option-as-vanishing-clubs-reflect-growing-malaise-35502751.html)

There are 20 fewer GAA clubs in Leinster, outside of Dublin, than there were 40 years ago, despite a massive population increase in the province over the same period.

****************************
Most clubs down the province never see a full time GAA coach

Every GAA club in Dublin either has their own full time coach or share a full time coach.
The difference between clubs in Dublin and elsewhere is stark.

There are large urban areas in Kildare, Meath, Laois, Westmeath, Offaly, Kilkenny, Wexford, Louth, Carlow not getting the same treatment as urban Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 28, 2017, 12:16:24 AM
Youngest team left in the semi-finals, has the penny dropped yet? Will anyone be surprised if the beat Mayo by 10?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on August 28, 2017, 12:22:34 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 28, 2017, 12:16:24 AM
Youngest team left in the semi-finals, has the penny dropped yet? Will anyone be surprised if the beat Mayo by 10?

Sure it's all just a cycle. As Zulu says, it's up to the rest to keep up.

:-\

So this is how gaelic football dies.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2017, 12:36:42 AM
Is this really any different from Kerry in the 80s or Dublin in the 70s?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: weareros on August 28, 2017, 12:41:31 AM
Money not the issue. You could give the smaller populations gazillions and it would make no difference. There is an in-built inequity in population size and amount of players involved in club football, and add to that the exodus of young people from thinly populated rural counties due to lack of opportunity and the growing global trend towards urbanization. However, when you bring it up, you'll get the usual:

Sure look at smaller populated counties like Monaghan punching above their weight
Sure look at the competition larger counties have from other sports: rugby, soccer, basketball
Sure look at an Ulster county like Tyrone where nearly half have no interest in GAA for political reasons (the nationalist pop is still 5 x the pop of Leitrim)
Sure look at at counties with large populations and they are shite (Kildare, Meath, Wicklow, etc)

Again the likes of AIG could throw money at rural counties with small populations. It would make no difference. The system based on the English county system is unfair at its foundations. Money, however, is amplifying the issue and the only counties with a realistic chance of winning Sam Maguire are counties with a population of 100k and above. We are unlikely to ever see an Offaly 1981 again. So you'll have lots of counties that will lose more interest every year. There's a few like Ros where we are still a bit fanatical. But that will die too. However, if a Dublin, Kerry, Mayo or Tyrone win an All-Ireland in 2025 and the rest of the country doesn't give a shit, despite a glowing report for the 70 dying boomers who still read the newspaper, it will have about the same value as winning best turnip at the Strokestown agricultural show. And so passeth the glory of Sam.




Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 28, 2017, 03:04:03 AM
Hard to bate an oul Strokestown turnip. ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on August 28, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 28, 2017, 12:16:24 AM
Youngest team left in the semi-finals, has the penny dropped yet? Will anyone be surprised if the beat Mayo by 10?

I would be very surprised if they beat mayo by 10. Mayo will go at them man for man and it will be very close like last year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ONeill on August 28, 2017, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

That's a weird map of the nord
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2017, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2017, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

That's a weird map of the nord

Other 3 semi finalists very far down the pecking order in that interestingly. What are fermanagh spending the money on? RHI boilers?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: omagh_gael on August 28, 2017, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2017, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2017, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

That's a weird map of the nord

Other 3 semi finalists very far down the pecking order in that interestingly. What are fermanagh spending the money on? RHI boilers?

Fermanagh's figures probably skewed by their small playing numbers. Dublin clearly operate at a significant advantage but the most important variable is they've got 30+ players who are serious players and athletes. I truly feel that this will be the best team ever to play the game.

The money is a huge advantage, as I say, but it appears the most significant element is it's maximising the natural advantage they have over the rest of the country i.e. their playing numbers. It'd be interesting to see trends of registered adult members over  the previous decade across the top counties. Is the increased development money making a significant difference in the numbers playing and persisting with GAA over alternative sports in the city?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on August 28, 2017, 10:19:03 AM
Money can't buy you love or a team like the Dubs...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on August 28, 2017, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2017, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2017, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2017, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: blast05 on October 04, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is truly staggering...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg:large)

That's a weird map of the nord

Other 3 semi finalists very far down the pecking order in that interestingly. What are fermanagh spending the money on? RHI boilers?

Fermanagh's figures probably skewed by their small playing numbers. Dublin clearly operate at a significant advantage but the most important variable is they've got 30+ players who are serious players and athletes. I truly feel that this will be the best team ever to play the game.

The money is a huge advantage, as I say, but it appears the most significant element is it's maximising the natural advantage they have over the rest of the country i.e. their playing numbers. It'd be interesting to see trends of registered adult members over  the previous decade across the top counties. Is the increased development money making a significant difference in the numbers playing and persisting with GAA over alternative sports in the city?

The modern game demands huge athleticism to make it.

I'd say the top 7/8 Dublin clubs probably train to the levels of a Div 2 county side. Most club players in Dublin are probably at near of close enough to intercounty standard in terms of S&C so they just happen to pick the biggest, quickest and best footballers out of that pool and train them to an even higher standard.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rosnarun on August 28, 2017, 10:27:34 AM
lack of coaches is a problem as increasingly few are willing to put in the time without being paid. a lot of that is just the modern way of life in the rural area with people commuting long distances but even though the gaa is doing well financially they could not afford to pay a coach at every club.
the emphasis in local gaa now must be to making coaching as attractive Sas possible and get people qualified with little or no expense to themselves . include external S&C  qualifications in to courses as well as coaching are people are willing pay big money for these.
this would be a much better use of resourse than just paying a coach who has no intret in any particular club
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 28, 2017, 02:14:37 PM
Con O'Callaghan should have been black-carded after his rugby tackle. Andrews - red carded after his tackle, following his yellow.

"Operation Financially Dope & Then Keep Dublin In The Championship" continues.

Man City buy their way into another final. Whoop-dee-doo. Money, money, money. That's why Dublin are where they are and the GAA top brass have a lot to answer for.

Getting your excuses in early again this year.  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 28, 2017, 02:21:21 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 28, 2017, 02:14:37 PM
Con O'Callaghan should have been black-carded after his rugby tackle. Andrews - red carded after his tackle, following his yellow.

"Operation Financially Dope & Then Keep Dublin In The Championship" continues.

Man City buy their way into another final. Whoop-dee-doo. Money, money, money. That's why Dublin are where they are and the GAA top brass have a lot to answer for.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28088.msg1731066#msg1731066 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28088.msg1731066#msg1731066)
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Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 28, 2017, 02:21:21 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 28, 2017, 02:14:37 PM
Con O'Callaghan should have been black-carded after his rugby tackle. Andrews - red carded after his tackle, following his yellow.

"Operation Financially Dope & Then Keep Dublin In The Championship" continues.

Man City buy their way into another final. Whoop-dee-doo. Money, money, money. That's why Dublin are where they are and the GAA top brass have a lot to answer for.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28088.msg1731066#msg1731066 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28088.msg1731066#msg1731066)
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This looks like someone with too much time on their hands.  ???
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JimStynes on August 28, 2017, 07:04:31 PM
Does anyone know the real jobs of the Dublin County team? You hear all this shite that they don't work or their work allows them 3 months off during the summer etc. It would be interesting to hear the truth regarding their jobs and if they truly are professional or is it just pub talk. Is the likes of Brogan hanging onto his place on the Dublin team purely for publicity reasons and sponsored cars etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 28, 2017, 07:09:33 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 28, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 28, 2017, 12:16:24 AM
Youngest team left in the semi-finals, has the penny dropped yet? Will anyone be surprised if the beat Mayo by 10?

I would be very surprised if they beat mayo by 10. Mayo will go at them man for man and it will be very close like last year.

+1 and add to the fact that Dublin haven't won by a large margin in AI final for 40 years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 28, 2017, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 28, 2017, 07:04:31 PM
Does anyone know the real jobs of the Dublin County team? You hear all this shite that they don't work or their work allows them 3 months off during the summer etc. It would be interesting to hear the truth regarding their jobs and if they truly are professional or is it just pub talk. Is the likes of Brogan hanging onto his place on the Dublin team purely for publicity reasons and sponsored cars etc.
Knock yourself out. A decent number of teachers, students and "bank reps" which probably cover most successful GAA teams.

http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/players/stephen-cluxton (http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/players/stephen-cluxton)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JimStynes on August 28, 2017, 07:43:21 PM
Sure the teachers are back in school now!! What does a bank rep actually do? I assume these boys all work throughout the work but maybe have flexible working hours and get extra leave for All Ireland final week etc. No one actually gets paid to play though?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Minder on August 28, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
Think this was done to death a few months ago on here and some of the Dubs listed the occupations of the players, quite a few 9-5s if I remember corectky. No different to any other county. Sure Richie Hogan packed in working this year, well teaching but you know what I mean, to concentrate on hurling
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on August 28, 2017, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 28, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
Think this was done to death a few months ago on here and some of the Dubs listed the occupations of the players, quite a few 9-5s if I remember corectky. No different to any other county. Sure Richie Hogan packed in working this year, well teaching but you know what I mean, to concentrate on hurling

It was Richie's worst ever year . 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on August 28, 2017, 11:53:50 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 28, 2017, 02:14:37 PM
Con O'Callaghan should have been black-carded after his rugby tackle. Andrews - red carded after his tackle, following his yellow.

"Operation Financially Dope & Then Keep Dublin In The Championship" continues.

Man City buy their way into another final. Whoop-dee-doo. Money, money, money. That's why Dublin are where they are and the GAA top brass have a lot to answer for.

Getting your excuses in early again this year.  ::)

Are you really not able to spot a troll from that distance?  :o
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: George Foreman on August 29, 2017, 07:26:38 PM
From today's Irish News



Cahair O'Kane

IF you get a chance, lock the kids outside (only if the weather's half decent), find a recording of Saturday's Bledisloe Cup game and take two hours to watch it.

The first test between New Zealand and Australia the previous weekend was a complete whitewash. Seven minutes into the second half, the All Blacks led 54-6 and were unleashing all the tricks and flicks against an insipid opponent.

But the real test of a great team is when the pressure comes on. On Saturday, Australia brought a real challenge, and were 17-0 up in no time.

With ten minutes left, New Zealand were back within a point. They went through 22 phases without a single handling error before touching down to go ahead.

Still it wasn't done as the Aussies responded instantly with a Kurtley Beale try right under the posts.

With just over two minutes left, any mistake would have been critical. Just outside the Australian 22', three replacements and a back-row forward combined to create a mesmerising match-winning try.

There was absolutely no margin for error, and they didn't make one. When the quickest, most delicate of hands were needed, they were able to go that well and pull them out.

We've seen them do it so, so often. Who could ever forget the try they worked that afternoon in Dublin four years ago to snatch a comeback win in a game that they'd been 19-0 down in?

They do their gym work but New Zealand rugby's development structures are based around skills first, bulk second.

That commitment to the basic skills is why they are so far ahead of everyone else. That is why they are able to pull games from the fire, from positions that nobody else would rescue victory from.

In 2015, two times Lions captain Sam Warburton highlighted the difference between the approach to coaching in the northern and southern hemispheres.

"They do the simple things really well, like running straight, carrying well, hitting rucks, placing the ball correctly at rucks and passing accurately.

"At 16 I was taught to jackal, make good tackles and do my lineout work. But New Zealanders are so good at making three on twos count – I was probably about 20 when I realised I had to draw somebody and time my pass."

And it showed at the last World Cup, where the four semi-finalists were New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina, all of whom played a much more dashing, adventurous game than their northern counterparts.

The way Gaelic football has gone over the past 18 months is almost a replica. Ulster football is, whether we like it or not, still trying to bludgeon its way through like a Six Nations contender, while Dublin and Mayo will be playing in September because of the adventure and ability they've displayed over the last two months.

You can talk about funding and money and semi-professional lifestyles but all that does is take focus away from how brilliant they are at the basic skills of Gaelic football.

Two wides Dublin kicked in 75-odd minutes of an All-Ireland semi-final, one of them a goal chance that whistled past the top corner of Niall Morgan's goal.

When Mick Bohan was their skills coach, he introduced the 36-shot challenge. Each player took 18 shots off their right foot and 18 shots off their left.

In an interview last year, he revealed that Eoghan O'Gara went from having "no left foot" in 2011 to scoring 33 shots from 36 in that drill two nights before the 2013 All-Ireland final.

Pure hard work and repetition brought him to that point. Nothing else.

Tyrone went out on Sunday searching for turnovers and created just seven of them in the whole game. That stat actually seems higher than the reality, for it seemed like Dublin never gave the ball away.

For all the athleticism and game-smarts they've built up, it's their mastery of the ball itself that allows Dublin to really suck every ounce of your lifeblood out of you.

Midway through the first half with Tyrone desperately needing something, Tiernan McCann thought he was through a pocket into the Dublin 45.

Dips low to gather the solo but as his hands come up, he finds no ball to grab. Paul Mannion, of all people, has chopped it away in mid-air.

When you consider that workrate and that quality of a tackle from Dublin's second top scorer this summer, then you see what it is to try and beat them.

Look at Jack McCaffrey every time he sets off. We've all seen fellas that can run the 100 metres in 12 seconds that when they take off on a football field, they'll fall over themselves trying to solo a ball. Not him, though.

You can argue that the funding facilitates the lifestyle that facilitates the free time to hone those skills to that degree but that takes away from the hours upon hours spent perfecting that level of skill.

The GAA could give every county in Ireland €20m but it wouldn't make any difference unless there is a change in emphasis back towards favouring the basic skills of the game.

There are definite signs that there is a changing trend. Derry minors were superb on Sunday. They played the same way as each of the previous two teams that Damian McErlain has sent out.

They pressed and harassed the Dublin kickout to the point of destruction. They work exceptionally hard on their kick-passing. It's almost like a throwback to letting the ball do the work.

Gaelic football is opening out again. Look at how Mayo have been using the kick-pass this summer. Instead of fearing the impact of sweepers on such a style, the top counties have really honed in on finding a way to bypass them.

That, in turn, has negated their influence and almost forced the return of something resembling man-to-man combat.

All of which suits Dublin, because they work harder at the basics and attacking than anybody else.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2017, 05:37:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DItcBmeW4AAjBs2?format=jpg)

Good to see Dublin looking after the ordinary fan.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 05:53:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2017, 05:37:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DItcBmeW4AAjBs2?format=jpg)

Good to see Dublin looking after the ordinary fan.

Nice of David Brady to help them out too. Colours don't run and all that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on September 03, 2017, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2017, 05:37:47 PM


Good to see Dublin looking after the ordinary fan.
That's a spoof, right?

Though it does get harder to tell the difference between the real and surreal.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2017, 06:23:41 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/opinion/2017/09/05/news/any-sense-in-being-an-amateur-in-a-soulless-money-driven-gaa--1127714/ (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/opinion/2017/09/05/news/any-sense-in-being-an-amateur-in-a-soulless-money-driven-gaa--1127714/)

Cahir O'Kane picks up on the breakfast, does he read/contribute here?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
As I pointed out to Cahair on FB this morning, can anyone explain to me why it's okay for clubs to run raffles and auctions for their AI tickets, but Dublin GAA shouldn't be able to?

He disagreed.

When Down got to the AI final in 2010, our County Board charged sterling for the euro face value of the ticket and made around 20% on every transaction. Money went to the county training fund. I called it an ingenious idea; how to plug a shortfall in a novel, completely fair way without having to bang the poverty drum. Freestate counties wouldn't have that luxury, so other methods have to be found.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2017, 06:23:41 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/opinion/2017/09/05/news/any-sense-in-being-an-amateur-in-a-soulless-money-driven-gaa--1127714/ (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/opinion/2017/09/05/news/any-sense-in-being-an-amateur-in-a-soulless-money-driven-gaa--1127714/)

Cahir O'Kane picks up on the breakfast, does he read/contribute here?

He certainly reads, don't know about contributing, as he had a hissy fit about some of the local Derry thread posters on his Twitter I believe. Mind you that thread is like a parallel universe
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 05, 2017, 11:04:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 05, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
As I pointed out to Cahair on FB this morning, can anyone explain to me why it's okay for clubs to run raffles and auctions for their AI tickets, but Dublin GAA shouldn't be able to?

He disagreed.

When Down got to the AI final in 2010, our County Board charged sterling for the euro face value of the ticket and made around 20% on every transaction. Money went to the county training fund. I called it an ingenious idea; how to plug a shortfall in a novel, completely fair way without having to bang the poverty drum. Freestate counties wouldn't have that luxury, so other methods have to be found.
I imagine he is jibbing at the price of tickets rather than a matter of principle.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2017, 10:46:14 AM
I suppose this is the Dublin County board guaranteeing 10 tickets if you give them €3500, with a draw it is only luck and clubs have a limited number. It's not inconceivable that Dublin could sell 50 tables therefore 500 tickets are taken out of ordinary hands/clubs. It's touting in another language.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoaremagic on September 06, 2017, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2017, 10:46:14 AM
I suppose this is the Dublin County board guaranteeing 10 tickets if you give them €3500, with a draw it is only luck and clubs have a limited number. It's not inconceivable that Dublin could sell 50 tables therefore 500 tickets are taken out of ordinary hands/clubs. It's touting in another language.

I wonder if 15 odd years ago, when Dublin needed funding from the taxpayer to be competitive, if they were told to man up and support their team, what the reaction would have been? Dublin are a fine side, a credit to themselves, but some of their fans are painfully lacking in self-awareness.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
We were told Leinster was shit, it's Kildare/Meath's fault for not being competitive etc etc but nobody cared because they still had their crap provincial titles to share among themselves. I have spoken about this for 6 years, all I have gotten in return was abuse and whataboutery from  the grunters. Sport has a simple formula, spend the most money reap the most rewards.

Do you care now?

5 Senior All-Irelands in 7 years. 4 u21 All-Ireland in 8 years. 4 National League Titles in 5 years.

Inter-county football as a competition is in terminal decline probably already dead.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
We were told Leinster was shit, it's Kildare/Meath's fault for not being competitive etc etc but nobody cared because they still had their crap provincial titles to share among themselves. I have spoken about this for 6 years, all I have gotten in return was abuse and whataboutery from  the grunters. Sport has a simple formula, spend the most money reap the most rewards.

Do you care now?

5 Senior All-Irelands in 7 years. 4 u21 All-Ireland in 8 years. 4 National League Titles in 5 years.

Inter-county football as a competition is in terminal decline probably already dead.

Mayo are competitive regularly against Dublin. A start for Leinster teams Kildare,Meath etc is to be competitive once in a while against this Dublin side who are not at their peak in May,June and July.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 08:04:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
We were told Leinster was shit, it's Kildare/Meath's fault for not being competitive etc etc but nobody cared because they still had their crap provincial titles to share among themselves. I have spoken about this for 6 years, all I have gotten in return was abuse and whataboutery from  the grunters. Sport has a simple formula, spend the most money reap the most rewards.

Do you care now?

5 Senior All-Irelands in 7 years. 4 u21 All-Ireland in 8 years. 4 National League Titles in 5 years.

Inter-county football as a competition is in terminal decline probably already dead.

+1

More excitement in the provincial championships and the league than the AI race these days.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
We were told Leinster was shit, it's Kildare/Meath's fault for not being competitive etc etc but nobody cared because they still had their crap provincial titles to share among themselves. I have spoken about this for 6 years, all I have gotten in return was abuse and whataboutery from  the grunters. Sport has a simple formula, spend the most money reap the most rewards.

Do you care now?

5 Senior All-Irelands in 7 years. 4 u21 All-Ireland in 8 years. 4 National League Titles in 5 years.

Inter-county football as a competition is in terminal decline probably already dead.

Mayo are competitive regularly against Dublin. A start for Leinster teams Kildare,Meath etc is to be competitive once in a while against this Dublin side who are not at their peak in May,June and July.

Delusional, Leinster is dead mate. The Super 8 will follow suit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on September 17, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
3 of Dublins recent all irelands have been won by a point! One after a replay... The sport is not dead. It wasn't dead when Kerry won 7 out of 9 and it isn't dead now. Christ people are over dramatic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 17, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
3 of Dublins recent all irelands have been won by a point! One after a replay... The sport is not dead. It wasn't dead when Kerry won 7 out of 9 and it isn't dead now. Christ people are over dramatic.

Won by a point because Dublin have a former world boxing champ as their mental/performance coach, money well spent.


Kerry's was built on organic success not the millions spent on games development, it died a natural death. Who's going to challenge Dublin? Tyrone ha!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 17, 2017, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 17, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
3 of Dublins recent all irelands have been won by a point! One after a replay... The sport is not dead. It wasn't dead when Kerry won 7 out of 9 and it isn't dead now. Christ people are over dramatic.

Won by a point because Dublin have a former world boxing champ as their mental/performance coach, money well spent.


That's why Dublin won by a point? Hmmm....

It's why Dublin win tight games, it's not coincidence it's what he's employed for, Rock would have visualized that last free and I guarantee he had a process to deal with it. You aren't dealing with amateurs here.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on September 17, 2017, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 17, 2017, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 17, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
3 of Dublins recent all irelands have been won by a point! One after a replay... The sport is not dead. It wasn't dead when Kerry won 7 out of 9 and it isn't dead now. Christ people are over dramatic.

Won by a point because Dublin have a former world boxing champ as their mental/performance coach, money well spent.


That's why Dublin won by a point? Hmmm....

It's why Dublin win tight games, it's not coincidence it's what he's employed for, Rock would have visualized that last free and I guarantee he had a process to deal with it. You aren't dealing with amateurs here.

Did he visualize the 2 frees he kicked really badly in the first half?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Minder on September 17, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Read something the other day that Dublins backroom team has 24 but only two or three are paid for their services
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 17, 2017, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 17, 2017, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 17, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
3 of Dublins recent all irelands have been won by a point! One after a replay... The sport is not dead. It wasn't dead when Kerry won 7 out of 9 and it isn't dead now. Christ people are over dramatic.

Won by a point because Dublin have a former world boxing champ as their mental/performance coach, money well spent.


That's why Dublin won by a point? Hmmm....

It's why Dublin win tight games, it's not coincidence it's what he's employed for, Rock would have visualized that last free and I guarantee he had a process to deal with it. You aren't dealing with amateurs here.

Did he visualize the 2 frees he kicked really badly in the first half?

How well did he recovery mentally? Was that coincidence too?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Read something the other day that Dublins backroom team has 24 but only two or three are paid for their services

That's the official take, sure. Just like Micko and company were traveling to Wicklow for the love of the game..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 17, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Dinny, people miss frees and score frees at every level in the GAA and always have done.
It has fcuk all to do with an ex-boxer.

Fine you don't believe in Sports Pyscology. I do and Bernard Dunne heads up the HPU for Irish Boxing, he's not with Dublin to sit on his hole, Rock has a 92% success rate on frees 96% within his range. He's a machine. Sure yea he's just another club footballer.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 17, 2017, 10:19:44 PM
Back in 2013 he missed the pressure ones for Ballymun against Bridgets.
Now on the other hand.......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on September 17, 2017, 10:41:14 PM
I'm in agreement here now lads. We all sat bird-mouthed when Dublin started romping to Leinsters and we said nothing. Now they're starting to romp to all-irelands and were still saying nothing. Today was the only time all year they didn't win by playing in 2nd gear.

A lot of you profess to be rational people but if you can't see the huge advantages that Dublin now have over the rest of us then you have your heads in the sand.

The really, really sad thing is that change will only be enacted when supporters lose interest in a predictable championship and the GAA start getting hit in the coffers. It's a sad indictment of the current GAA mentality that a strong balance sheet is the sole measure of the health of the association.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2017, 10:19:44 PM
Back in 2913 he missed the pressure ones for Ballymena against Bridges.
Now on the other hand.......

Steady on with the Guinness, lad.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 17, 2017, 10:45:33 PM
At work Syfīn so quick posts and phone running wild :D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
When Kerry were beating all before them in the 70s and 80s there was no national hysteria about the imminent demise of the game. Back then it was simply a case of the "aristocrats" taking their rightful place at the top of the heap. God was in his heaven and all was right with the world.

There were no calls for something to be done when Kerry took their 37th All Ireland senior title in 2014 (their sixth since 2000). God was still in his heaven and all was still right with the world.

Did no one notice that Kerry won their fourth minor title on the trot yesterday? Perhaps it won't be long before all is right with the world again and the begrudgers can sleep easy.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
There aren't 1.3m people in Kerry.
The Central GAA didn't and don't pour loads of money into Kerry.
Kerry don't play all their serious Championship games in Killarney.
No taxpayer provided "National" training centre in Kerry.
Took Kerry 11 years to recover from all them lads retiring, Dublin have 9 or 10 new players in over the last few years and won U21 again this year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on September 18, 2017, 10:49:17 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
When Kerry were beating all before them in the 70s and 80s there was no national hysteria about the imminent demise of the game.

Bit unfair to class it as hysteria more than 35 years on, but Kerry's dominance in that era did spark a lot of concern about the state of the game at that point, and its future. Much of that concern was justified. Gaelic football circa 1985 was in a dire state.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on September 18, 2017, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
When Kerry were beating all before them in the 70s and 80s there was no national hysteria about the imminent demise of the game. Back then it was simply a case of the "aristocrats" taking their rightful place at the top of the heap. God was in his heaven and all was right with the world.

There were no calls for something to be done when Kerry took their 37th All Ireland senior title in 2014 (their sixth since 2000). God was still in his heaven and all was still right with the world.

Did no one notice that Kerry won their fourth minor title on the trot yesterday? Perhaps it won't be long before all is right with the world again and the begrudgers can sleep easy.

Are you Ciarán Whelan, he was coming out with this nonsense last night?
If Kerry win then fair play to them, they just make better use of their resources. Anyone using Kerry as a defence of Dublin has no credibility whatsoever.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 10:50:56 AM
The dislike of Dublin is now outdated.I was once a member of this group.But lets face it the present group is laced with humility,the Dubs fans are now good humoured,and they took their defeats to the likes of Down,Donegal,Armagh,Tyrone etc over the last 25 years with good grace.
I am an admirer of the Dubs now and salute this great team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on September 18, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
When Kerry were beating all before them in the 70s and 80s there was no national hysteria about the imminent demise of the game. Back then it was simply a case of the "aristocrats" taking their rightful place at the top of the heap. God was in his heaven and all was right with the world.

There were no calls for something to be done when Kerry took their 37th All Ireland senior title in 2014 (their sixth since 2000). God was still in his heaven and all was still right with the world.

Did no one notice that Kerry won their fourth minor title on the trot yesterday? Perhaps it won't be long before all is right with the world again and the begrudgers can sleep easy.

There was of course much complaints in the 1970s and 1980s about Kerry dominating .  It was seen as bad for the game .  The Dublin domination now must be looked at in the context of GAA and government funding and the social factors in modern Ireland .

The bottom line is that today was a high water mark for football .  The Mayo team I think will receed a bit over the coming years and Dublin could well improve .

The problem was that the GAA didn't want a strong Dublin , worse still they NEEDED it .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on September 18, 2017, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 10:50:56 AM
The dislike of Dublin is now outdated.I was once a member of this group.But lets face it the present group is laced with humility,the Dubs fans are now good humoured,and they took their defeats to the likes of Down,Donegal,Armagh,Tyrone etc over the last 25 years with good grace.
I am an admirer of the Dubs now and salute this great team.
Fair play to the Dubs for channelling their hefty resources and producing a squad laced with several talented role models with great attitude e.g. Mccafferty, Mcmenamin, Fenton .....etc etc. Like any team they also seem to have their villains.
I cheered this group's first all-ireland in 2011, but genuinely fear that their undoubted advantages could destroy our association if they are not addressed. The inequities in the GAA around financial back up, resources, provincial structures, media influence , have been ignored for years but we now have a new generation of GAA followers who are no longer blinded by county and GAA loyalty , and are no longer prepared to accept these injustices and lack of parity.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on September 18, 2017, 11:32:22 AM
This isn't about disliking anyone .  The current Dublin team are in the main a decent group ,  their supporters are grand in the main .  The issue is the future of inter county football as a competitive entity .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
There are two sides to this, and it needs to be considered very carefully.

Side 1: Dublin get a lot more money than the rest, they have the bulk of the population, within a short distance of each other, own training centre, play in Croke all the time etc etc.

Side 2: The GAA does great work in keeping youngsters occupied in something positive rather than getting up to no good in the capital.


I would worry that any attempt to realign side 1 to redress the balance in inter-county football would come at a significant cost to side 2.



I suppose, as an easy first step, the Dubs should have to play outside of Croke more often. Compared to the cost of the alternatives, a smaller gate is no big deal.

Beyond that, can monies currently directed to the Dublin county be reduced without affecting underage involvement? I dunno. It'd probably require a degree of both altruism and transparency that doesn't typically fit well in the GAA. Yeah, we can be transparent - when it suits us... and we can be altruistic... when it suits us. Not when one runs contrary to the other.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on September 18, 2017, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
There are two sides to this, and it needs to be considered very carefully.

Side 1: Dublin get a lot more money than the rest, they have the bulk of the population, within a short distance of each other, own training centre, play in Croke all the time etc etc.

Side 2: The GAA does great work in keeping youngsters occupied in something positive rather than getting up to no good in the capital.


I would worry that any attempt to realign side 1 to redress the balance in inter-county football would come at a significant cost to side 2.



I suppose, as an easy first step, the Dubs should have to play outside of Croke more often. Compared to the cost of the alternatives, a smaller gate is no big deal.

Beyond that, can monies currently directed to the Dublin county be reduced without affecting underage involvement? I dunno. It'd probably require a degree of both altruism and transparency that doesn't typically fit well in the GAA. Yeah, we can be transparent - when it suits us... and we can be altruistic... when it suits us. Not when one runs contrary to the other.
Agree, if it's not broken , don't fix it. Dublin's resources and success has hopefully seen an improvement in meaningful participation. So it's an urban model that works, and should be a template for other urban areas. I would be reluctant to reduce Dublins resources for underage etc, not least because of the meaningful employment it provides, which in my view is an important responsibility of any multimillion pound organisation . I just feel that the GAA needs to look at a model of ensuring those resources are equally available to others. I am a member of a rural club. If the GAA was able to fund DevelopmentOfficers for all large urban clubs and for clusters of rural clubs , then that would be a brilliant  development. Reorganising the Intercounty fixtures to create More revenue may help part finance such initiatives across the country . Such development officers could partly self-fund their roles by improving club governance , streamlining and fundraising.
Regarding Intercounty teams splitting Dublin must also be looked at, and rather than undermine current progress , it may actually enhance participation and development in the city . Imagine the excitement of a Leinster final between ballymun/finglas and Dunlaoghaire/rathdown😜
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 18, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
If Dublin weren`t about now then would people be saying Mayo have it too easy and the GAA needs to change to stop them winning?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on September 18, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 18, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
If Dublin weren`t about now then would people be saying Mayo have it too easy and the GAA needs to change to stop them winning?

As stated before , most of Dublin GAA is to be admired as they actually have developed GAA in the capital and have utilised their considerable resource and practical advantage , under the current system , brilliantly.

Very much like Kerry , Cork , Mayo , and Kilkenny in hurling , they have utilised well the advantages the current system gives them , and fair play to them! Dublin are not the problem here, inequality is the problem!
The GAA needs to take a look at its current fixture programme and Intercounty financial expenditure and legislate accordingly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 18, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
If Dublin weren`t about now then would people be saying Mayo have it too easy and the GAA needs to change to stop them winning?
Galway bet them in Connacht, extra time needed v Cork and Derry, Ros and Kerry held them to a draw.
So no people wouldn't.
Anyway there are about 6 or 8 Counties with bigger football populations than Mayowestros so they would go back to the pack.
Meanwhile the 1.3 million can't be just ignored.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Esmarelda on September 18, 2017, 01:00:39 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 18, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 18, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
If Dublin weren`t about now then would people be saying Mayo have it too easy and the GAA needs to change to stop them winning?

As stated before , most of Dublin GAA is to be admired as they actually have developed GAA in the capital and have utilised their considerable resource and practical advantage , under the current system , brilliantly.

Very much like Kerry , Cork , Mayo , and Kilkenny in hurling , they have utilised well the advantages the current system gives them , and fair play to them! Dublin are not the problem here, inequality is the problem!
The GAA needs to take a look at its current fixture programme and Intercounty financial expenditure and legislate accordingly.
You've twice mentioned the bit in bold above. Could you explain what you're getting at?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on September 18, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 18, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
If Dublin weren`t about now then would people be saying Mayo have it too easy and the GAA needs to change to stop them winning?
Galway bet them in Connacht, extra time needed v Cork and Derry, Ros and Kerry held them to a draw.
So no people wouldn't.
Anyway there are about 6 or 8 Counties with bigger football populations than Mayowestros so they would go back to the pack.
Meanwhile the 1.3 million can't be just ignored.

do you Ross men ever come up for air? Youse are all bonkers
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 18, 2017, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Fair point. Mayo have had the opportunity to finish off Dublin on more than one occasion and have failed to do so. The reasons why may be due to a lack of winning mentality and killer instinct in Mayo rather than demographics. That's hardly the fault of Dublin and had Mayo won yesterday this wouldn't be a topic of conversation.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on September 18, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
Mayo scoring 2 more points yesterday wouldn't change the unequal nature of Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Nor me. And if the difference between teams was based on cash spent on development, how come Kerry have won the last four Minor titles and not Dublin.  Thats where the coaching money should be seen first if it really is a factor.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 03:29:08 PM
This is not a GAA problem. It's a national problem. Dublin has become too big. too many jobs, companies etc located there. It's crazy and it's actually unfair on people living in Dublin in lots of ways. The place is choked up. You can't get around and it will only get worse as successive governments ignore or cannot tackle it.

There is no easy solution here. When it was first proposed many years ago to split Dublin very few were in favour. I think there's something almost childish about looking for it now. Especially when they pick Eoghan O'Gara in a final to self handicap!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on September 18, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Nor me. And if the difference between teams was based on cash spent on development, how come Kerry have won the last four Minor titles and not Dublin.  Thats where the coaching money should be seen first if it really is a factor.

Exactly and if the difference is down to just money pumped into coaching and development why are Dublin hurlers going backwards. They have had the same so called financial advantages as the footballers and yet the gap between them and Kilkenny, galway etc seems to be widening.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
Lads ye are mental. Put it like this, if the 1+ million euro ploughed into Dublin GAA coaching and games development, by the GAA, every year is NOT a factor in their improvement over the last 10 years or so, then it's the biggest waste of money since the eVoting machines.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Nor me. And if the difference between teams was based on cash spent on development, how come Kerry have won the last four Minor titles and not Dublin.  Thats where the coaching money should be seen first if it really is a factor.

This is utter nonsense in the face of Dublin winning so many underage Leinsters and AIs in recent years, and for the fact it's always easier for smaller counties to compete at underage than senior where the coaching and set-ups grow even more professional. Dublin can be beat at minor, but not senior. That not tell you something about what's happening between those grades?

I get someone like Ferron is trying to court attention with daftness like the above but I expect better from you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 03:41:22 PM
lots of this can be sorted by Croke park.

one or 2 centralised jersey sponsor for all counties, local commercial deals like AIG / Kerry etc out the window and split the pot according to need not accoring to population or club numbers. D4 and D3 teams get greater share to enable genuine development

all counties then entitled to  develop local deals like subaru cars, gibson hotels, benetti suits etc.........
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Nor me. And if the difference between teams was based on cash spent on development, how come Kerry have won the last four Minor titles and not Dublin.  Thats where the coaching money should be seen first if it really is a factor.

This is utter nonsense in the face of Dublin winning so many underage Leinsters and AIs in recent years, and for the fact it's always easier for smaller counties to compete at underage than senior where the coaching and set-ups grow even more professional. Dublin can be beat at minor, but not senior. That not tell you something about what's happening between those grades?

I get someone like Ferron is trying to court attention with daftness like the above but I expect better from you.

how many minor titles have Dublin won over past 15 years ?????

they reap a huge reward at u21 level from developing the pick of what are generally moderate minor teams
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
That hurling gap was well narrowed for a few years mind.
Dublin hurlers were on a par with Laois/Antrim for 40 years or more.
This decade they won Leinster and the NHL and we're in hard luck not to make the AI Final one year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on September 18, 2017, 03:44:32 PM
Because a lot of their better Hurlers wouldn't play under Cunningham.  They also lost Costello and Kilkenny to the Footballers after Minor level. Thomas Brady one of their best Hurlers left for the Footballers 2 years ago, got very little game time .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 03:48:22 PM
Christ do people only gauge success in All-Irelands

As for hurling. seriously

5 Leinster Minors and 3 runners-up in the last 12 years. Prior to that it was 1 in 40 years.

4 Leinster u21s since 2007 and 2 runners up. Prior to that you have to go back to 1972.

1 Senior Leinster Title in 2013, 1st in 50 odd years.  They even won the National League for the 1st time 70 years in 2011.

The hurling success is not measured in All-Irelands but from where they were before Bertie's cash intervention supplemented by GAA money to now, is miles apart.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 18, 2017, 03:44:32 PM
Because a lot of their better Hurlers wouldn't play under Cunningham.  They also lost Costello and Kilkenny to the Footballers after Minor level. Thomas Brady one of their best Hurlers left for the Footballers 2 years ago, got very little game time .

given Tomas brady changed over to football in 2012 and retired from intercounty football last year the maths are well out
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Esmarelda on September 18, 2017, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 03:41:22 PM
lots of this can be sorted by Croke park.

one or 2 centralised jersey sponsor for all counties, local commercial deals like AIG / Kerry etc out the window and split the pot according to need not accoring to population or club numbers. D4 and D3 teams get greater share to enable genuine development

all counties then entitled to  develop local deals like subaru cars, gibson hotels, benetti suits etc.........
I'm not sure how this would be done but I think the idea is correct. The AIG money, for example, should not be allowed to go to Dublin GAA in full.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
not too sure either but i think the concept is solid.

yes AIG sponsor every county jersey is my idea
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
Dublin won the All Ireland by a point yesterday after looking for much of the game as though they would lose it. So your congratulations and best wishes lads are much appreciated.

The winning point was scored by Dean Rock the son of an All Ireland winner. The RTÉ man of the match was James McCarthy the son of another All Ireland winner. Now there's no way these lads would be playing Gaelic Football if it wasn't for the money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Dublin winning four recent All Ireland titles by the minimum margin doesn't strike me as an enormous gap fuelled by money.
Nor me. And if the difference between teams was based on cash spent on development, how come Kerry have won the last four Minor titles and not Dublin.  Thats where the coaching money should be seen first if it really is a factor.

This is utter nonsense in the face of Dublin winning so many underage Leinsters and AIs in recent years, and for the fact it's always easier for smaller counties to compete at underage than senior where the coaching and set-ups grow even more professional. Dublin can be beat at minor, but not senior. That not tell you something about what's happening between those grades?

I get someone like Ferron is trying to court attention with daftness like the above but I expect better from you.
Meath has a current population of over 190K and Kildare of 220K. Both are counties with long and deeply established GAA roots. Both counties are well economically better of than the average, are short distance from Dublin in terms of work and college and have access to wealthy companies for sponsorship. Mayo by comparison has 130K, little industry  and long distances from colleges. If money is the difference then both Meath and Kildare should be our-performing Mayo at all levels. But they are not. Counties need to look at their own short-comings before they go looking for soft answers like the money spent in putting games officers into primary schools in Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
Money is the default excuse for all under achieving counties.  I'm based in limericks where the ultimate gaa sugar daddy reigns and it isn't translating to senior  success
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mrhardyannual on September 18, 2017, 06:22:57 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
Dublin won the All Ireland by a point yesterday after looking for much of the game as though they would lose it. So your congratulations and best wishes lads are much appreciated.

The winning point was scored by Dean Rock the son of an All Ireland winner. The RTÉ man of the match was James McCarthy the son of another All Ireland winner. Now there's no way these lads would be playing Gaelic Football if it wasn't for the money.
From Stephen Rochford down, there is no one in Mayo who doesn't accept that we were beaten by a great team yesterday. The work being done for example in Ballymun Kickhams by Christie and others pre-dates all this blather about development money. Ignore the begrudgers and enjoy the three-in a row. Hopefully we'll have another crack at stopping it becoming four as we did to the equally great Galway three in a row side fifty years ago.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Amazes me how some people just don't know or don't want to know how talent identity, talent development, elite development and elite preparation works in sport. Sport is a multi-billion euro industry, if winning is somehow just left to culture and wanting it more then someone somewhere is wasting an awful lot money .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
Dublin won the All Ireland by a point yesterday after looking for much of the game as though they would lose it. So your congratulations and best wishes lads are much appreciated.

The winning point was scored by Dean Rock the son of an All Ireland winner. The RTÉ man of the match was James McCarthy the son of another All Ireland winner. Now there's no way these lads would be playing Gaelic Football if it wasn't for the money.

Now we are putting it down to Genetics! The denial takes a new twist!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2017, 07:32:17 PM
Dublin always had the population advantage yes but what they didn't have was the financial resources behind them to get organised, get dozens of coaches out there to schools, etc, etc.

Population on it's own guarantees nothing but population + money and organisation is hard to beat.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
Money can't buy commitment,composure,discipline and determination,the four basic qualities Dublin had yesterday to see them home.Jim Gavin must now be considered the best manager of all time.But for an uncharacteristic miscalculation against Donegal in 2014, he would already be celebrating five in a row.Had he been manager of Mayo yesterday,I have no doubt they would have won.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 07:42:51 PM
Selecting O'Gara to start an All Ireland Final knocks a few points off him in the "Best manager of all time" contest.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 07:43:06 PM
Gavin had a serious miscalculation in team selection yesterday also
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
He rectified the things that weren't working successfully.That's what makes him such a great manager.I read an interesting article,that his profession means he spends a lot of time in the air,and has developed coolness and composure by necessity and humility,and he inculcates these qualities into the team,to great effect.

Do you think Pillar Caffrey would have win four All Irelands with this Dublin team?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
Money can't buy commitment,composure,discipline and determination,the four basic qualities Dublin had yesterday to see them home.Jim Gavin must now be considered the best manager of all time.But for an uncharacteristic miscalculation against Donegal in 2014, he would already be celebrating five in a row.Had he been manager of Mayo yesterday,I have no doubt they would have won.

Money can buy all of the above. It can buy the people to set up the above structures. As for the tactical Substitutions. Jez, how many county teams can bring on players of the caliber of Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Kevin McManamon,Bernard Brogan, Niall Scully and Cormac Costello. It's easy make these calls when the players are there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on September 18, 2017, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
He rectified the things that weren't working successfully.That's what makes him such a great manager.I read an interesting article,that his profession means he spends a lot of time in the air,and has developed coolness and composure by necessity and humility,and he inculcates these qualities into the team,to great effect.

Do you think Pillar Caffrey would have win four All Irelands with this Dublin team?

Hard to say but I think Pat Gilroy is the link .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
Money can't buy commitment,composure,discipline and determination,the four basic qualities Dublin had yesterday to see them home.Jim Gavin must now be considered the best manager of all time.But for an uncharacteristic miscalculation against Donegal in 2014, he would already be celebrating five in a row.Had he been manager of Mayo yesterday,I have no doubt they would have won.

Money can buy all of the above. It can buy the people to set up the above structures. As for the tactical Substitutions. Jez, how many county teams can bring on players of the caliber of Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Kevin McManamon,Bernard Brogan, Niall Scully and Cormac Costello. It's easy make these calls when the players are there.
Like playing cards - easy to play with a great hand or a crap hand. But the good player can make the most of an in between hand.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
Money can't buy commitment,composure,discipline and determination,the four basic qualities Dublin had yesterday to see them home.Jim Gavin must now be considered the best manager of all time.But for an uncharacteristic miscalculation against Donegal in 2014, he would already be celebrating five in a row.Had he been manager of Mayo yesterday,I have no doubt they would have won.

Money can buy all of the above. It can buy the people to set up the above structures. As for the tactical Substitutions. Jez, how many county teams can bring on players of the caliber of Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Kevin McManamon,Bernard Brogan, Niall Scully and Cormac Costello. It's easy make these calls when the players are there.
Like playing cards - easy to play with a great hand or a crap hand. But the good player can make the most of an in between hand.

Good to see you giving Kevin his due.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 18, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Would love to see Jim in charge of Wicklow or Leitrim

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 10:49:43 PM
He would leave them better than he found them anyways
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 10:49:43 PM
He would leave them better than he found them anyways

If you knew Leitrim you might think differently on that one.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2017, 08:31:08 AM
For those saying money isn't a problem and that this is a non-issue - then I assume you'd agree the Dublin county board would have no objection to giving a load of it back to central council to redistribute?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 08:44:19 AM
So gavin wouldn't improve leitrim football if he went at it for 3 years..

If you knew football you wouldn't say that,


Or do you still think it's all about money
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 19, 2017, 09:40:39 AM
 :D

Enjoy the winter lads.

Greatest team of all time. Wont change my mind.

Be a long winter for some of you.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: north_antrim_hound on September 19, 2017, 10:06:31 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 08:44:19 AM
So gavin wouldn't improve leitrim football if he went at it for 3 years..

If you knew football you wouldn't say that,


Or do you still think it's all about money

Are you trying to be funny
He would have zero impact on a small county
He has a player population the same as the whole of Ulster combined
And unlimited financial resources

Maybe if he got them all new Toyota cars and SuperValu indorsement deals he might get up a division tops

Bit of reality here please
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: north_antrim_hound on September 19, 2017, 10:09:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 10:49:43 PM
He would leave them better than he found them anyways

If you knew Leitrim you might think differently on that one.

He would their county board with a bit more debt anyway

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: T Fearon on September 19, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
Jim Gavin is the ideal man to rescue Ryanair as well.O'Leary out!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: north_antrim_hound on September 19, 2017, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 19, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
Jim Gavin is the ideal man to rescue Ryanair as well.O'Leary out!

Now there's a thought, he works in the aviation industry as well

Seems that O'Leary's getting all his karma back now in one week
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Amazes me how some people just don't know or don't want to know how talent identity, talent development, elite development and elite preparation works in sport. Sport is a multi-billion euro industry, if winning is somehow just left to culture and wanting it more then someone somewhere is wasting an awful lot money .

Well what are Mayo doing that no one else is doing? Surely Mayo do not have greater resources or playing numbers that Kildare or Meath? And they've drawn twice and lost by a point 2 times in the last 4 years with Dublin, i.e. they're not only competitive an odd day, they're able to match Dublin all the time.

You do have a point to a degree but only to a degree. In the end only 15 players are on the field. If it was 30 a side (on a pitch twice the size, indulge me for the sake of argument!!!) Dublin would win 10 in a row, or more. They might have 40-50 players that are intercounty standard but all you need is 25.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 19, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
But on the law of averages Dublin's 25 will be better than the rest.
Their 21 were better than Mayowestros' on Sunday once again.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 19, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
Yeah and Tony McEntee is with Mayo for the love of the game. Give me a break, they spend the most on Senior football preparations and they have and spend so much money they can afford to throw away expensive GPS units.

Anyway, Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on September 19, 2017, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 19, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
Yeah and Tony McEntee is with Mayo for the love of the game. Give me a break, they spend the most on Senior football preparations and they have and spend so much money they can afford to throw away expensive GPS units.

Anyway, Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

Can you send me a link to the Dublin accounts that gives a break down in their spend ? .... its freely available for Mayo.
Yes, Mayo spent more in 2016 (presuming the unpublished Dubs accounts are believable) albeit ~€580K was on travel expenses. Dubs could only have spent a small fraction of that on travel money (but of course i can't check to confirm)...... and yee didn't have a junior team in an All-Ireland final, nor U-21's getting to and winning that final, nor hotel expenses for the many trips to Dublin, etc, etc
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 19, 2017, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Amazes me how some people just don't know or don't want to know how talent identity, talent development, elite development and elite preparation works in sport. Sport is a multi-billion euro industry, if winning is somehow just left to culture and wanting it more then someone somewhere is wasting an awful lot money .

Well what are Mayo doing that no one else is doing? Surely Mayo do not have greater resources or playing numbers that Kildare or Meath? And they've drawn twice and lost by a point 2 times in the last 4 years with Dublin, i.e. they're not only competitive an odd day, they're able to match Dublin all the time.

You do have a point to a degree but only to a degree. In the end only 15 players are on the field. If it was 30 a side (on a pitch twice the size, indulge me for the sake of argument!!!) Dublin would win 10 in a row, or more. They might have 40-50 players that are intercounty standard but all you need is 25.

Firstly I think it's important to stop looking at Dublin "only" won by a point, whether it's one point or 20 points Dublin have still won and will keep winning. Dublin are not outcome orientated, it's becoming a cliche but they are very much process orientated. I think these 1 point defeats are giving people false hope and "what if" scenarios that never get applied to the winners. When Dublin start losing successive games by a point I will have hope. And remember next year if the get caught out in the Super 8 they will still have a 2nd chance.

To address your question, why have Mayo succeeded in being competitive where Kildare/Meath your examples have not.  The simple answer is Mayo play in a Province where it's possible to win one game and find yourself in the last 12 so when it comes to planning etc that helps, it's another GAA inequality, this time in Connacht's favour. Mayo have also invested heavily in elite preparation, McEntee, Solan, Buckley, Brosnihan, Horan etc also they have that elite culture for years as developed by James Horan who used Cian O'Neill Kieran Shannon among others. They spent well on physical, technical, tactical and mental coaches. Kildare and Meath until recently were shambles, Kildare because we had no money and Meath through poor managerial appointments and poor support from the County Boards.  Through this period Mayo have retained Division 1 status, a massive advantage over Kildare/Meath (thanks Jason), this helps develop players, they also have an experienced leadership group led by Moran and Higgins. So currently Mayo have an elite culture, this takes years to develop and is costly to fund especially when a large portion of your squad works away from home. Now something Mayo don't have to deal with is they don't have the behemoth on their door step, they don't have to contest the same provincial championship. Dublin have won 11 of last 12 Leinster titles, think SPL, it kills the sport, I would say anecdotally attendances are down year on year, 12K watched Kildare v Meath, the smallest championship crowd that I can ever remember between those two teams. That was a regular 40K + crowd at CP. Like I said before take Dublin place them in Ulster/Connacht and perhaps even Munster and watch those provincial competitions go the same way, teams get less competitive, confidence drains and the competition dies.



     

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Bord na Mona man on September 19, 2017, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 19, 2017, 12:54:09 PM
Kildare and Meath until recently were shambles, Kildare because we had no money and Meath through poor managerial appointments and poor support from the County Boards.
For how many years in the last quarter century have Kildare not had money?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 01:14:53 PM
I think at senior level teams like Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone are investing heavily to keep treading water in the race to be second to Dublin. At senior level especially, you can invest a load of money to try get the same sort of backroom team, support staff etc as Dublin, and then on any given day it's 15 v 15, or 21 v 21, and you might catch Dublin if you are one of those sort of teams.

There's nothing to stop Galway, Tipperary, Armagh, Donegal or whomever finding a sugar daddy and investing massive money on a senior team and having a good 3 to 5 year spell.

The fact that this can, and does, happen allows people to say 'Look, Mayo ran Dublin to a point', or 'Kerry beat them in the league' etc. But that is not sustainable.

What is sustainable is investing heavily in coaching and structures, and then supplementing that with near professional approach when those lads come off the conveyor belt. That is what Dublin have, and the annual money they are receiving and using very well, goes a long way to allowing them to do that.

I don't begrudge Dublin their population advantages. I don't begrudge them Croke Park. I don't begrudge them the large employment market on their doorsteps. They are all advantage, sure, but they are inherent advantages that make the Dubs the Dubs and have always been there.

My issue is the GAA making a conscious effort those years ago to give Dublin a long term competitive advantage, in the name of fending off soccer and rugby. In doing so, they allowed Dublin the opportunity to fully exploit those natural advantages, and to be fair to them they have done a brilliant job of it.

Simply speaking, other counties (with the possible exception of Kerry), are having to decide on whether they invest the money they have into trying to keep up with the Dub seniors, or investing in their own coaching and games development.

If the GAA allocated a per person coaching and games grant, across the country, then at least you could say they are not handing an advantage to Dublin. An advantage they don't need in my opinion. The setup in Dublin is brilliant. The clubs are huge and booming. And I think they'd be booming without the 1.3 million or whatever every year.

The damage in the short term is done, in my opinion. And dressing up the championship as a Super 8 or whatever is not going to reverse the damage without having some sort of plan for the rest of the country like they did for Dublin back in the day. There's rugby and soccer in other counties as well, and Summer soccer is coming. So if the GAA is interested in other counties being competitive, they are going to have to help out in a more meaningful way, just like they did with the Dubs.

None of this should be seen as anti Dub by the way, it's just anti competitive imbalance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: vallankumous on September 19, 2017, 01:20:46 PM
A bigger problem is the drop out rate at senior level outside Dublin.
All teams compete at underage as all players live within the county and don't have the pressures that come with adulthood. This is not something the GAA did, it's part of the changing economic circumstances. The GAA however have done nothing to stop the drop out rate. Playing senior club football is now too difficult to sustain for many people. The demands on the field, off the field, with fixtures are all scary prospect to young people starting their life in work or starting a family.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 19, 2017, 01:20:46 PM
A bigger problem is the drop out rate at senior level outside Dublin.
All teams compete at underage as all players live within the county and don't have the pressures that come with adulthood. This is not something the GAA did, it's part of the changing economic circumstances. The GAA however have done nothing to stop the drop out rate. Playing senior club football is now too difficult to sustain for many people. The demands on the field, off the field, with fixtures are all scary prospect to young people starting their life in work or starting a family.

That's true. I actually flagged this back in 1998!!! On a thread on the old GAABoard I worried about the future of club football and hurling at senior level as demands became more and more intrusive on club players.

It's a tricky one though. Fixtures can be solved with a bit of effort I think, but the commitment issue is a harder one to fix. If you want to win, the bar has been raised, and anyone who gives less is automatically behind the curve. You might end up with a whole country of junior club footballers and hurlers. Junior club is probably at a similar level as senior club was in the early 90s.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 19, 2017, 01:36:38 PM
Excellent post by AZ  earlier.
GAA HQ should be looking at the crisis of 3 Eastern Counties with big populations 2 of whom spend most of their time in Div 4 and the other not much higher.
Antrim (est Nationalist pop 200k+), Louth 128,884 and Wicklow 142,425.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Amazes me how some people just don't know or don't want to know how talent identity, talent development, elite development and elite preparation works in sport. Sport is a multi-billion euro industry, if winning is somehow just left to culture and wanting it more then someone somewhere is wasting an awful lot money .

Well what are Mayo doing that no one else is doing?

I don't think Mayo are doing anything revolutionary in their system to be honest. Galway and Roscommon have been dominant at underage in Connacht for a good few years now for example. I think they just have a great crop of players together currently (with size and athleticism) and some very good coaching to bring it all together. Mayo are not short on a few bob to spend on preparation of the senior team either compared to most other counties. The team probably has a shelf-life at the very top to but to be fair to them they seem to come back every year so far. One year it'll end but they are getting a hell of a run from the current bunch.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on September 19, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
QuoteThe simple answer is Mayo play in a Province where it's possible to win one game and find yourself in the last 12

Not in past 2 years
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 19, 2017, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Amazes me how some people just don't know or don't want to know how talent identity, talent development, elite development and elite preparation works in sport. Sport is a multi-billion euro industry, if winning is somehow just left to culture and wanting it more then someone somewhere is wasting an awful lot money .

Well what are Mayo doing that no one else is doing? Surely Mayo do not have greater resources or playing numbers that Kildare or Meath? And they've drawn twice and lost by a point 2 times in the last 4 years with Dublin, i.e. they're not only competitive an odd day, they're able to match Dublin all the time.

You do have a point to a degree but only to a degree. In the end only 15 players are on the field. If it was 30 a side (on a pitch twice the size, indulge me for the sake of argument!!!) Dublin would win 10 in a row, or more. They might have 40-50 players that are intercounty standard but all you need is 25.

Firstly I think it's important to stop looking at Dublin "only" won by a point, whether it's one point or 20 points Dublin have still won and will keep winning. Dublin are not outcome orientated, it's becoming a cliche but they are very much process orientated. I think these 1 point defeats are giving people false hope and "what if" scenarios that never get applied to the winners. When Dublin start losing successive games by a point I will have hope. And remember next year if the get caught out in the Super 8 they will still have a 2nd chance.

To address your question, why have Mayo succeeded in being competitive where Kildare/Meath your examples have not.  The simple answer is Mayo play in a Province where it's possible to win one game and find yourself in the last 12 so when it comes to planning etc that helps, it's another GAA inequality, this time in Connacht's favour. Mayo have also invested heavily in elite preparation, McEntee, Solan, Buckley, Brosnihan, Horan etc also they have that elite culture for years as developed by James Horan who used Cian O'Neill Kieran Shannon among others. They spent well on physical, technical, tactical and mental coaches. Kildare and Meath until recently were shambles, Kildare because we had no money and Meath through poor managerial appointments and poor support from the County Boards.  Through this period Mayo have retained Division 1 status, a massive advantage over Kildare/Meath (thanks Jason), this helps develop players, they also have an experienced leadership group led by Moran and Higgins. So currently Mayo have an elite culture, this takes years to develop and is costly to fund especially when a large portion of your squad works away from home. Now something Mayo don't have to deal with is they don't have the behemoth on their door step, they don't have to contest the same provincial championship. Dublin have won 11 of last 12 Leinster titles, think SPL, it kills the sport, I would say anecdotally attendances are down year on year, 12K watched Kildare v Meath, the smallest championship crowd that I can ever remember between those two teams. That was a regular 40K + crowd at CP. Like I said before take Dublin place them in Ulster/Connacht and perhaps even Munster and watch those provincial competitions go the same way, teams get less competitive, confidence drains and the competition dies.



   

Dinny - good reply and I appreciate the detail. I'd accept a lot of that and I don't know the lie of the land in Kildare and Meath and that's why I asked.

Mayo being in Connacht isn't really the benefit you portray it to be. The last two seasons, possibly the two finals they've performed best in, they went out of Connacht early with a whimper. They then proceeded to struggle to teams that Kildare or Meath would probably beat before finally kicking into gear. So to my mind Mayo don't see Connacht as a benefit at all. They don't seem bothered by it. I think the provincial championships are all dead or dying anyway, even Ulster isn't as good as it once was. Only the hope of a provincial title keeps many counties going which I accept many in Leinster do not even have now.

Essentially your answer on Kildare and Meath is that they have been very poorly run county boards. Decent coaching structures, development squads etc can be put in place relatively inexpensively. I agreed with the GAA's funding of Dublin's coaching plan. I believe the same needs to be done in the surrounding counties now. They need to get their act together and develop a workable plan and demand funding. I believe that's possible but I'd be very aware of the challenges.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
good solid points Magpie.

most counties are using a cheap excuse of dublin having too much money. The piopulation imbalance may be growingh a  bit but i would guessthe proportion of playing adults in dublin compared to Sligo or roscommon is little different to 40 years ago
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
good solid points Magpie.

most counties are using a cheap excuse of dublin having too much money. The piopulation imbalance may be growingh a  bit but i would guessthe proportion of playing adults in dublin compared to Sligo or roscommon is little different to 40 years ago

Number of playing adults is not a good measure though IMO. I would say the massive explosion in Dublin has been in the number of playing kids with individual clubs capable of fielding numerous youth teams. And the more kids that come though the coaching system the more high quality playing adults you will eventually produce down the line.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 02:53:42 PM
good solid points Magpie.

most counties are using a cheap excuse of dublin having too much money. The piopulation imbalance may be growingh a  bit but i would guessthe proportion of playing adults in dublin compared to Sligo or roscommon is little different to 40 years ago

Don't be pulling stuff out of your arse - do you know much much the population of Dublin has increased since 1977? More people means more chances of finding a lad with the talent and the temperament for football. And the coaching the money brings with it means few exceptional talents slip through the cracks.

Also I see you're actually admitting Dublin have much more money now, albeit you're trying to downplay its significance.

There's two types of people on this issue, those willing to stick their heads in the sand and those who can see the rotten core of IC football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
show me the facts Syferis about the proportion playing adult football now vs 40 years ago as you seem to know ... I am suggesting its proportionate to then but dont have the facts to prove it and neither was i ramming it down anyone's throat it was the caseo therwise dont go around accusing people who are engaging in constructive debate of taking out of their arses.

also seeing you know so much about dublin how much per player is the GAA centrally giving to Dublin as opposed to the per player contribution in other counties.......fair question if you can deal in hard facts as opposed to cheap lazy Ewan McKenna style unsubstantiated bollixoligy


and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings. Trump at his best couldn;t twist that one around like you have.........

anyways do you not have Junior cert grinds
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on September 19, 2017, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 19, 2017, 01:20:46 PM
A bigger problem is the drop out rate at senior level outside Dublin.
All teams compete at underage as all players live within the county and don't have the pressures that come with adulthood. This is not something the GAA did, it's part of the changing economic circumstances. The GAA however have done nothing to stop the drop out rate. Playing senior club football is now too difficult to sustain for many people. The demands on the field, off the field, with fixtures are all scary prospect to young people starting their life in work or starting a family.

That's true. I actually flagged this back in 1998!!! On a thread on the old GAABoard I worried about the future of club football and hurling at senior level as demands became more and more intrusive on club players.

It's a tricky one though. Fixtures can be solved with a bit of effort I think, but the commitment issue is a harder one to fix. If you want to win, the bar has been raised, and anyone who gives less is automatically behind the curve. You might end up with a whole country of junior club footballers and hurlers. Junior club is probably at a similar level as senior club was in the early 90s.

Your last sentence is bang on the money. Guys get disinterested as the stakes rise and there's dawn training sessions for half the year and a drink ban for the other half. Now that culture is irreversibl and I appreciate that it does breed high quality football but the "professionalism" today is really a double edged sword.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 19, 2017, 05:56:06 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
show me the facts Syferis about the proportion playing adult football now vs 40 years ago as you seem to know ... I am suggesting its proportionate to then but dont have the facts to prove it and neither was i ramming it down anyone's throat it was the caseo therwise dont go around accusing people who are engaging in constructive debate of taking out of their arses.

also seeing you know so much about dublin how much per player is the GAA centrally giving to Dublin as opposed to the per player contribution in other counties.......fair question if you can deal in hard facts as opposed to cheap lazy Ewan McKenna style unsubstantiated bollixoligy


and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings. Trump at his best couldn;t twist that one around like you have.........

anyways do you not have Junior cert grinds
what other county in Ireland can get a FULL TIME coach into every willing school in the county? and often to coach every class in the school at some stage during the year?
many of them current county players or club senior players?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
and who is paying for that....................

half the cost is paid by the local club who have to fundraise for it............ in most instances the coach is in any given school one day a week and come back to me with the names of the senior intercounty players working in that role,
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 19, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but was the whole Leinster Rugby bogeyman one of the main reasons why the Dubs got so much backing?
The Dubs are at a stage where they are self-sufficient and their success could continue even without the finances coming in from the GAA or any other Government grants.
In the meantime rugby has spread further and the commuter counties are all on the bandwagon while the GAA teams have been left to be crushed under the blue wave.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings.

Just to confirm, you'd be happy for the Dublin County Board to hand back much of the money they get from central council back for redistribution in other counties?


[seeing as you consider this money to be unimportant...]
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 20, 2017, 09:18:59 AM
This is a great read lads, please continue....

One point, I posted it on another thread before I see this, Dublin, 1 minor in over 20 years, beaten by Derry this year and Meath, u-17s beaten by Meath. Or does money only start winning you things at U-21.

If you are worried about domination of the game, id worry about Kerry, once this Dublin team is gone, Kerry will take over, some counties will never ever win an all Ireland or some will not compete at the latter stages of it, look at the history of the GAA , the semis and finals, there is a pattern to the teams that are there or there abouts every year.

If I were you lot, id go down to your local club and start coaching, its easy to learn how to coach the basics of the game, its a simple game to play. Let me know how you all get on.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings.

Just to confirm, you'd be happy for the Dublin County Board to hand back much of the money they get from central council back for redistribution in other counties?


[seeing as you consider this money to be unimportant...]

Firtstly i'm not from dublin and have no gra for any team dominating but the money thing is a red herring. I dont see why Dublin would return any money tbh., the grants received per playing head are no greater than anywhere else are they. I equallly have no problem with increased grants to other counties to help them develop further.

But it is cheap and lazy to think that money is the cause of success........ the dublin football success is built on developing good un21 and seriously good seniors form moderate minor teams really. Its also built on most clubs being run by lin many cases country men who are putting huge hours into club and game development. I know several who are clocking up 30 clujb hours a week in addition to having a job......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 20, 2017, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings.

Just to confirm, you'd be happy for the Dublin County Board to hand back much of the money they get from central council back for redistribution in other counties?


[seeing as you consider this money to be unimportant...]

Firtstly i'm not from dublin and have no gra for any team dominating but the money thing is a red herring. I dont see why Dublin would return any money tbh., the grants received per playing head are no greater than anywhere else are they. I equallly have no problem with increased grants to other counties to help them develop further.

But it is cheap and lazy to think that money is the cause of success........ the dublin football success is built on developing good un21 and seriously good seniors form moderate minor teams really. Its also built on most clubs being run by lin many cases country men who are putting huge hours into club and game development. I know several who are clocking up 30 clujb hours a week in addition to having a job......

So, say we were able to give you a figure that showed that Dublin got much more investment per playing head, you'd accept that it's unfair?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
Like this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
absolutely i'd accept it as unfair and that if it was the case all other should have at least that amount per playing head
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
absolutely i'd accept it as unfair and that if it was the case all other should have at least that amount per playing head

That's all I'm advocating for. I don't want to punish Dublin for being good at using their money. I don't even want to split them up or whinge about jobs and facilities and home advantages. That's part of the beauty of beating them.

But Jaysus at least let the GAA itself not handicap the other counties by giving Dublin a huge headstart in their development. Even if the raw numbers are different, at least balance out the Per Player funding.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 11:23:10 AM
AZ

does that include all juveniles ??

an interesting map But I find it hard to believe Cork accept the lowest grants in the country though
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:26:43 AM
It's not my graphic, but it does illustrate numbers I've read elsewhere. This is the one they are putting for registered players. I'd say it does include juveniles though because if you look at Tipperary say, and said there were 50 clubs. If each club fielded 3 adult teams, and each team had a full panel of 30, that would still only add up to 4,500, and the Tipp figure is 15,000

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2016/10/04232200/GAA-Investment-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Seriously low number of registered players in Dublin is it not?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:37:02 AM
39k registered players in a population of 1,300,000 - about 3%. Sligo has approx 5k in a population of circa 60,000 - about 8.3%.

Maybe they need more money, still underperforming.  :P
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Seriously low number of registered players in Dublin is it not?

I don't know Seanie. I don't think Dublin has massive amount of clubs compared to the likes of Cork. I know some of the clubs have massive numbers alright, but then other clubs have much smaller numbers with no parish rule or whatever. Big clubs like Kilmacud, Vincents, Brigids and the like probably have massive numbers.

Again if we do the maths, there's approx 90 clubs in Dublin going by their website (including clubs like AIB, BOI etc).

39,000 divided by 90 is about 430 each. I'd imagine when you factor in big clubs and smaller clubs, that's about right.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:46:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:41:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Seriously low number of registered players in Dublin is it not?

I don't know Seanie. I don't think Dublin has massive amount of clubs compared to the likes of Cork. I know some of the clubs have massive numbers alright, but then other clubs have much smaller numbers with no parish rule or whatever. Big clubs like Kilmacud, Vincents, Brigids and the like probably have massive numbers.

Again if we do the maths, there's approx 90 clubs in Dublin going by their website (including clubs like AIB, BOI etc).

39,000 divided by 90 is about 430 each. I'd imagine when you factor in big clubs and smaller clubs, that's about right.

Not contesting the accuracy of the numbers.....just that it's a low % of the population though. What would it be if they hadn't got the investment? I'm being a bit devils advocate here. I'd be interested in seeing playing numbers as a % of county population.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:37:02 AM
39k registered players in a population of 1,300,000 - about 3%. Sligo has approx 5k in a population of circa 60,000 - about 8.3%.

Ros has 1,600 more than Sligo I see.
Populations are Ros 64,544. Sligo 65,535.
Feckin soccer.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2017, 12:00:01 PM
Christ only Dublin Cork and Galway have more registered players than Kildare, some under achievers considering those three are top level dual counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
That should be fairly easy to ascertain with the latest census data.

But again, on a per player basis, I'd just like to see other counties at least get a fair shake of the GAA's own money. I mean sponsorship and the like is a different kettle of fish, and I see arguments on both sides of pooling sponsorship monies, but I don't begrudge Dublin their sponsorship deals either. That's all part of the glamour of being the Dubs.

The GAA, however, are supposed to safeguard the competitions and encourage participation in our games. By such a large disparity in PP funding, they are not doing that.

Comments earlier this year from senior GAA and ex-GAA figures make me think this is being looked at, and this win by the Dubs again won't lessen the focus. These are some of the quotes I'm talking about..

GAA Director of Finance - Tom Ryan

"It's a tricky one and it's one we've tried to give a fair bit of thought to over the course of the year", revealed Tom Ryan, the GAA's Director of Finance, at the release of their annual report.
"The short answer is no, it (The disparity in funding) won't persist over the course of the next few years. There's not going to be a revolutionary change to it. We'll change it in evolutionary terms rather than in one fell swoop.
"Under Dublin, the first thing is to say that the money is being well spent. I'd be far more uncomfortable sitting here if that level of investment wasn't being put to good use and I do understand the dynamic when people look at on field results, then look at the amount of funding.
"I'm not sure the degree to which there's a 100% co-relation but it would be naive to assume that there's not some degree of co-relation.
"What we'll try to do, we'll try to grow the other counties. I think you'll see we have tried to do that. We have achieved that to a certain degree and we'll try and do that next year.
"We've 9 or 10 specific things that our Finance Committee have looked at and want to implement for this year to do that.
"To be honest in terms of bridging the gap, it won't be possible to do that without some degree of diminution in Dublin's funding and there will be a modest kind of re calibration of that in 2017."


And then Sean Kelly on Newstalk said
On the question of games development money going to Dublin, he feels that "sustainability should now been assured and really there needs to be more either extra money coming in which should be available to the other counties which might allow you to continue the funding in Dublin but definitely vis a vis the other counties there is need to invest more in the counties outside of Dublin than there was 10 years ago. It's definitely something we have to look at."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:03:40 PM
Of course another aspect to all this is that Dublin are using the money brilliantly. There is absolutely no guarantee that other counties would do the same. There are some county board people I've dealt with, and I wouldn't trust them not to blow a massive fund on a short term mercenary manager if they got 500k a year in funding.  Money wins nothing, but having money and using it right, gives you a much better chance of than not having it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2017, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:03:40 PM
Of course another aspect to all this is that Dublin are using the money brilliantly. There is absolutely no guarantee that other counties would do the same. There are some county board people I've dealt with, and I wouldn't trust them not to blow a massive fund on a short term mercenary manager if they got 500k a year in funding.  Money wins nothing, but having money and using it right, gives you a much better chance of than not having it.

If you look at on field results well then yes but what about participation rates, new clubs etc Looking at the figures above I wouldn't be so sure.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
I don't see any argument for not pooling sponsorship money too, Offaly. Dublin being so big would nesscarily get the biggest share anyways, but if the goal is to have an amateur organisation having one be ran as if it's an Premier League club with massive sponsors like AIG while one of their D1 opponents have their own supporters club on their jersies is another slap in the face of the sport.

The goal has to be to have as many counties as competitive as possible to create a vibrant sport for both players and supporters. The GAA should be socialism at its best, yet it's being humiliated by the most base capitalist sports in the world like professional American football when it comes to enforcing parity.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 20, 2017, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2017, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:03:40 PM
Of course another aspect to all this is that Dublin are using the money brilliantly. There is absolutely no guarantee that other counties would do the same. There are some county board people I've dealt with, and I wouldn't trust them not to blow a massive fund on a short term mercenary manager if they got 500k a year in funding.  Money wins nothing, but having money and using it right, gives you a much better chance of than not having it.

If you look at on field results well then yes but what about participation rates, new clubs etc Looking at the figures above I wouldn't be so sure.

Not showing at all age levels, why.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Bord na Mona man on September 20, 2017, 12:19:34 PM
The registered figures look right. In large parts of Dublin, hurling and football are very much minority sports.
Take Tallaght for example, I've seen figures was as low as 1% in terms of participation rates. Soccer is the number 1 sport by a long way.

I think people from outside Dublin see Hill 16 packed with folks with joxer accents and get the impression there is a large working class base that Dublin pull from.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
doesnt show til u21 in football

minor hurling is  at a higher level of consistency........

no new clubs being developed in dublin should be a major cause of concern to croke park.......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
show me the facts Syferis about the proportion playing adult football now vs 40 years ago as you seem to know ... I am suggesting its proportionate to then but dont have the facts to prove it and neither was i ramming it down anyone's throat it was the caseo therwise dont go around accusing people who are engaging in constructive debate of taking out of their arses.

also seeing you know so much about dublin how much per player is the GAA centrally giving to Dublin as opposed to the per player contribution in other counties.......fair question if you can deal in hard facts as opposed to cheap lazy Ewan McKenna style unsubstantiated bollixoligy


and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings. Trump at his best couldn;t twist that one around like you have.........

anyways do you not have Junior cert grinds


I'm surprised at your comments on Ewan McKenna ,have you read his article in The Sunday Post ?
I found the article to be well researched and backed up by facts and figures.

One of his main points is that the Gaa ( who should treat all counties equally ) are screwing the funding by giving the lion's share of the money to the strongest county .

He accepts that not much can be done about Dublin having the biggest sponsers , one million from AIG and 12 other secondary sponsors.
On top of this was the tax payers  money that Bertie pumped in to Dublin .Why not the same treatment for Dublin or Meath ??
This is only the tip of the iceberg when addressing the advantages that Dublin enjoy, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 20, 2017, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
show me the facts Syferis about the proportion playing adult football now vs 40 years ago as you seem to know ... I am suggesting its proportionate to then but dont have the facts to prove it and neither was i ramming it down anyone's throat it was the caseo therwise dont go around accusing people who are engaging in constructive debate of taking out of their arses.

also seeing you know so much about dublin how much per player is the GAA centrally giving to Dublin as opposed to the per player contribution in other counties.......fair question if you can deal in hard facts as opposed to cheap lazy Ewan McKenna style unsubstantiated bollixoligy


and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings. Trump at his best couldn;t twist that one around like you have.........

anyways do you not have Junior cert grinds


I'm surprised at your comments on Ewan McKenna ,have you read his article in The Sunday Post ?
I found the article to be well researched and backed up by facts and figures.

One of his main points is that the Gaa ( who should treat all counties equally ) are screwing the funding by giving the lion's share of the money to the strongest county .

He accepts that not much can be done about Dublin having the biggest sponsers , one million from AIG and 12 other secondary sponsors.
On top of this was the tax payers  money that Bertie pumped in to Dublin .Why not the same treatment for Dublin or Meath ??
This is only the tip of the iceberg when addressing the advantages that Dublin enjoy, in my opinion.

Writes the same article twice a year, copy and paste job. His figures have been proven to be wrong. Ironically makes money from writing on Dublin while giving out about Dublin, he's agenda driven and just following the narrative, calls himself a sports writer but hates sports, poor journalist, twitter magnet.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Esmarelda on September 20, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2017, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 19, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
show me the facts Syferis about the proportion playing adult football now vs 40 years ago as you seem to know ... I am suggesting its proportionate to then but dont have the facts to prove it and neither was i ramming it down anyone's throat it was the caseo therwise dont go around accusing people who are engaging in constructive debate of taking out of their arses.

also seeing you know so much about dublin how much per player is the GAA centrally giving to Dublin as opposed to the per player contribution in other counties.......fair question if you can deal in hard facts as opposed to cheap lazy Ewan McKenna style unsubstantiated bollixoligy


and i stated others are using Dublin as having too much money as a cheap excuse for their own failings. Trump at his best couldn;t twist that one around like you have.........

anyways do you not have Junior cert grinds


I'm surprised at your comments on Ewan McKenna ,have you read his article in The Sunday Post ?
I found the article to be well researched and backed up by facts and figures.

One of his main points is that the Gaa ( who should treat all counties equally ) are screwing the funding by giving the lion's share of the money to the strongest county .

He accepts that not much can be done about Dublin having the biggest sponsers , one million from AIG and 12 other secondary sponsors.
On top of this was the tax payers  money that Bertie pumped in to Dublin .Why not the same treatment for Dublin or Meath ??
This is only the tip of the iceberg when addressing the advantages that Dublin enjoy, in my opinion.

Writes the same article twice a year, copy and paste job. His figures have been proven to be wrong. Ironically makes money from writing on Dublin while giving out about Dublin, he's agenda driven and just following the narrative, calls himself a sports writer but hates sports, poor journalist, twitter magnet.
Could you point me in the direction of this proof?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
I don't see any argument for not pooling sponsorship money too, Offaly. Dublin being so big would nesscarily get the biggest share anyways, but if the goal is to have an amateur organisation having one be ran as if it's an Premier League club with massive sponsors like AIG while one of their D1 opponents have their own supporters club on their jersies is another slap in the face of the sport.

The goal has to be to have as many counties as competitive as possible to create a vibrant sport for both players and supporters. The GAA should be socialism at its best, yet it's being humiliated by the most base capitalist sports in the world like professional American football when it comes to enforcing parity.

Actually American Football takes the socialist approach in terms of the draft of young players,salaries and funding,it might be a good start point to examine their model with reference to the our sports

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2015/04/socialist-principles-heart-american-football
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
I don't see any argument for not pooling sponsorship money too, Offaly. Dublin being so big would nesscarily get the biggest share anyways, but if the goal is to have an amateur organisation having one be ran as if it's an Premier League club with massive sponsors like AIG while one of their D1 opponents have their own supporters club on their jersies is another slap in the face of the sport.

The goal has to be to have as many counties as competitive as possible to create a vibrant sport for both players and supporters. The GAA should be socialism at its best, yet it's being humiliated by the most base capitalist sports in the world like professional American football when it comes to enforcing parity.


Actually American Football takes the socialist approach in terms of the draft of young players,salaries and funding,it might be a good start point to examine their model with reference to the our sports

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2015/04/socialist-principles-heart-american-football


I think that's his point. The NFL Owners are all about the money, but they realise that to maximise the money, you maximise the competition, so they level the playing field.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:43:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
I don't see any argument for not pooling sponsorship money too, Offaly. Dublin being so big would nesscarily get the biggest share anyways, but if the goal is to have an amateur organisation having one be ran as if it's an Premier League club with massive sponsors like AIG while one of their D1 opponents have their own supporters club on their jersies is another slap in the face of the sport.

The goal has to be to have as many counties as competitive as possible to create a vibrant sport for both players and supporters. The GAA should be socialism at its best, yet it's being humiliated by the most base capitalist sports in the world like professional American football when it comes to enforcing parity.

Actually American Football takes the socialist approach in terms of the draft of young players,salaries and funding,it might be a good start point to examine their model with reference to the our sports

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2015/04/socialist-principles-heart-american-football

That was my point. The sport is totally driven by generating profit (like HQ is here, apparently) but it goes about it in a sustainable way, by enforcing as much parity as humanly possible. Why the GAA doesn't take a similar approach when it would mean more nationwide interest and a better product on the field, only they know. Likely the usual affliction of short-termism that sporting bodies in Ireland suffer from.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent, it  wasnt a case of Dublin needs a million for coaching development, he had the stats to back the demand
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent, it  wasnt a case of Dublin needs a million for coaching development, he had the stats to back the demand

Absolutely. They put together a great plan, and have delivered on it, in terms of high quality coaching outputs. I certainly wouldn't argue that point.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
and from speaking to someone at the itme in croker, no other county out together anything within an asses roar of that standard of application or planning
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent, it  wasnt a case of Dublin needs a million for coaching development, he had the stats to back the demand

Absolutely. They put together a great plan, and have delivered on it, in terms of high quality coaching outputs. I certainly wouldn't argue that point.

Y'see that's all well and good, but it's the money being spent at senior IC that really warps things. Dublin are good at underage, but not the unbeatable force they are at senior. So their advantages only tend to amplify as they move up the grades. On top of reigning in Dublin's money you need to have proper limits on backroom teams, IC preparation spending and even training (beyond the piss-weak 'don't train in the off-season' that the managers circumvent anyways), in my opinion. Dublin have created an unsustainable arms race at senior with counties like Mayo, Kerry and Kildare in the past spending insane amounts of money over and under the table to try to match their opponents' professional set-up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
and from speaking to someone at the itme in croker, no other county out together anything within an asses roar of that standard of application or planning

I'd believe it. there's no doubt the whole country was caught on the hop at the time.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheOptimist on September 20, 2017, 01:10:12 PM
Its a catch 22. Dublin's success brings more sponsors to the table as they have such a big support base. If something was done to make other counties more competitive and Dublin were less successful the sponsorship income would diminish also.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent,
Most Counties can't afford to hire chaps with his expertise.
Time for the Central GAA to pay full time Secretary/Administrator for all the small Counties perhaps. Such people would help Co Boards to develop their own blueprints and also oversee the use of fairly allocated €€€€s to ensure they weren't blown on Mercenary Senior IC managers etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 20, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
and from speaking to someone at the itme in croker, no other county out together anything within an asses roar of that standard of application or planning

I'd believe it. there's no doubt the whole country was caught on the hop at the time.

Was it ever published or put in the public domain?

I coach U10 football for a rural Armagh club and our local primary school gets about just 6 hours per year GAA coaching. 
I can absolutely see how the employment of half a dozen full time coaches who either go round the schools or visit the clubs would benefit the skills of younger players.  Having the maximum number of kids playing and improving their skills is so important in feeding how they our team will field at adult level in 10 years time.  This then also will have a knock on impact at county level.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent, it  wasnt a case of Dublin needs a million for coaching development, he had the stats to back the demand

Absolutely. They put together a great plan, and have delivered on it, in terms of high quality coaching outputs. I certainly wouldn't argue that point.

Y'see that's all well and good, but it's the money being spent at senior IC that really warps things. Dublin are good at underage, but not the unbeatable force they are at senior. So their advantages only tend to amplify as they move up the grades. On top of reigning in Dublin's money you need to have proper limits on backroom teams, IC preparation spending and even training (beyond the piss-weak 'don't train in the off-season' that the managers circumvent anyways), in my opinion. Dublin have created an unsustainable arms race at senior with counties like Mayo, Kerry and Kildare in the past spending insane amounts of money over and under the table to try to match their opponents' professional set-up.

how much are Dublin spending as opposed to other counties ??? I tell you Syf your beloved Roscommon are spending more on the manager coach and selectors than Dublin are with we the taxpayer basically underwriting their main benefactor for many years and some other lad from San Franciso pumping in a fortune also
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent, it  wasnt a case of Dublin needs a million for coaching development, he had the stats to back the demand

Absolutely. They put together a great plan, and have delivered on it, in terms of high quality coaching outputs. I certainly wouldn't argue that point.

Y'see that's all well and good, but it's the money being spent at senior IC that really warps things. Dublin are good at underage, but not the unbeatable force they are at senior. So their advantages only tend to amplify as they move up the grades. On top of reigning in Dublin's money you need to have proper limits on backroom teams, IC preparation spending and even training (beyond the piss-weak 'don't train in the off-season' that the managers circumvent anyways), in my opinion. Dublin have created an unsustainable arms race at senior with counties like Mayo, Kerry and Kildare in the past spending insane amounts of money over and under the table to try to match their opponents' professional set-up.

how much are Dublin spending as opposed to other counties ??? I tell you Syf your beloved Roscommon are spending more on the manager coach and selectors than Dublin are with we the taxpayer basically underwriting their main benefactor for many years and some other lad from San Franciso pumping in a fortune also

Ah yeah, Roscommon is flush with cash and everything you said is true and not half-invented whataboutry - http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/sport/50-sport/money-owed-a-major-problem-gaa-treasurer

You can try to distract from the money Dublin is using to warp IC competition into nothing more than a race for second place but no one here will be failing for that nonsense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
is a Nama survivor and a high profile yank not bankrolling the management in Roscommon Syferus ???
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
is a Nama survivor and a high profile yank not bankrolling the management in Roscommon Syferus ???

Click the fûcking link. Keep on topic, I know it seems to be a sore point for you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 03:34:00 PM
I believe (open to correction) that if a player is paid for endorsing something the money goes into a central pool to be divided out among the other panellists. Is this true? I seems to remember this.

That being the case the principle is already there. Would AIG be paying Dublin such big sponsorship if they had no one to play against? Same way as the star player wouldn't be a star if he had no team mates.

If this change was made I'd say expenditure should be monitored centrally so the money is not blown. If a cogent, workable, costed plan is not submitted the money is not released.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 20, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 03:34:00 PM
I believe (open to correction) that if a player is paid for endorsing something the money goes into a central pool to be divided out among the other panellists. Is this true? I seems to remember this.

That being the case the principle is already there. Would AIG be paying Dublin such big sponsorship if they had no one to play against? Same way as the star player wouldn't be a star if he had no team mates.

If this change was made I'd say expenditure should be monitored centrally so the money is not blown. If a cogent, workable, costed plan is not submitted the money is not released.

That's the way on the Dublin panel alright. It's not 100% of what they get paid, but it's more than 50%. Think the money goes towards their panel fund. Good team building initiative.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
is a Nama survivor and a high profile yank not bankrolling the management in Roscommon Syferus ???

Click the fûcking link. Keep on topic, I know it seems to be a sore point for you.

no sore point , you seem to be the resident Rossie expert here even if your views dont match those Rossies I know.... i'm asking the question who pays McStay and Maughan, David Joyce etc or will it appear in the 2017 roscommon accounts. its very much on topic you claim financial impropriety in Dublin and I am arguing the Dublin mgmt team earn less than roscommon and roscommon arent getting much in return unless you really value an out dated provincial title
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 20, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
one other big point in the funding debate, is that John Costello prepared the blue prints, put the business case together etc to show how the money was to be spent, it  wasnt a case of Dublin needs a million for coaching development, he had the stats to back the demand

Absolutely. They put together a great plan, and have delivered on it, in terms of high quality coaching outputs. I certainly wouldn't argue that point.

Y'see that's all well and good, but it's the money being spent at senior IC that really warps things. Dublin are good at underage, but not the unbeatable force they are at senior. So their advantages only tend to amplify as they move up the grades. On top of reigning in Dublin's money you need to have proper limits on backroom teams, IC preparation spending and even training (beyond the piss-weak 'don't train in the off-season' that the managers circumvent anyways), in my opinion. Dublin have created an unsustainable arms race at senior with counties like Mayo, Kerry and Kildare in the past spending insane amounts of money over and under the table to try to match their opponents' professional set-up.

how much are Dublin spending as opposed to other counties ??? I tell you Syf your beloved Roscommon are spending more on the manager coach and selectors than Dublin are with we the taxpayer basically underwriting their main benefactor for many years and some other lad from San Franciso pumping in a fortune also

Ah yeah, Roscommon is flush with cash and everything you said is true and not half-invented whataboutry - http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/sport/50-sport/money-owed-a-major-problem-gaa-treasurer

You can try to distract from the money Dublin is using to warp IC competition into nothing more than a race for second place but no one here will be failing for that nonsense.

David O'Connor of Club Rossie made a very strong defence of the use of the bus saying that it was a very important promotional tool for Roscommon GAA and that it's worth and benefit far outweighed any negatives.

Promotional tool, not beneficial to teams no.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:58:39 PM
i think that bus is a great idea if its fully sponsored as its claimed to be. Volunteer drivers panel an all that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Declan on September 20, 2017, 04:06:02 PM

Talk of splitting Dublin shows a defeatist attitude
Philip Jordan

Updated / Wednesday, 20 Sep 2017 15:34

I want to address the suggestion of breaking Dublin up into more than one team for senior inter-county football by looking at their results over the past two seasons.

In 2016 and 2017, between League and Championship, they had 12 games that were decided by three points or less.

They drew four of them, lost one one - this year's League final to Kerry at Croke Park - and won the rest.

Of the four they drew, they came from behind against Kerry and Tyrone in the League to get a point and only Donegal and Mayo were able to catch them coming from behind with a late equaliser.

Mayo are a brilliant team, even close to being a great team, and in any other era they would have won an All-Ireland by now, and Dublin have only beaten them by a point in their two All-Ireland final wins over them plus last year's draw.


I would love to see more money invested in Belfast, which is a big city with a young population, to help drag Antrim up

The fact of the matter is that this Dubs team have an incredible ability not to lose games and, more importantly, win the big ones when the stakes are highest and margins are at their finest.

There's no amount of coaching at youth level, investment or anything else that can train a team to do that.

This is a mentally tough group of players that know how to close it out and that sort of resolve is built up over time.

I predicted the past two years that Dublin wouldn't have the hunger to come back and win another All-Ireland and they did it both times. Doing three in-a-row, something that happens so rarely in Gaelic football, in this modern era, where the demands on players are greater than ever, is truly remarkable.

Again, there's no amount of money that can buy that desire. Dublin also have a brilliant manager in Jim Gavin who has been able to adapt his game plan and overhaul his team with new players while keeping established names happy on the bench.

There are so many other reasons too, one of them that the Dubs had such an easy passage to the All-Ireland final this year that they only had to peak for one game in September.

If there was more depth and stronger opposition, maybe they wouldn't be three in-a-row champions because it seems to be a case of the top two a long way ahead of everyone else.

In history before we've had dominant teams, Kerry in the seventies and eighties, Galway in the sixties and others further back and it's a cause for concern at the time, but they always get beaten eventually.

There's no doubt in my mind that this Dublin team are the greatest I've ever seen playing Gaelic football and it would be no surprise to see them win again next and maybe even do a five in-a-row in 2019.

But splitting the county up isn't the right thing to do. Sure, Dublin have a bigger population than everyone else, but they can only have 15 players on the field at any given team, the same as their opponents.

To say that they have to be split up is a defeatist attitude: 'we can't reach that standard so break them up'. As a player I certainly wouldn't have had any interest in beating North Dublin or South Dublin - I wanted to beat the best.

I would agree though that the GAA's funding has to be divided up differently. Dublin has gotten a lot of money in recent years and it's to their credit that they have invested it wisely and reaped the rewards - there's no guarantee that another county would have made such good use of similar funding.

For example, from an Ulster football point of view I would love to see more money invested in Belfast, which is a big city with a young population. Soccer and rugby are the most popular sports there and with greater investment the GAA could harness that youth and drag Antrim up a long way.

The Leinster Championship also has to be made more competitive. Dublin have dominated it since 2005, only missing out once in 2010, and just moving them out of Croke Park more often would have a positive effect on this.

Carlow were competitive against the Dubs this summer in Laois and had that been at Croke Park the margin of defeat could easily have been double.

The problem for every other Leinster county is that they are beaten before they go out, which is understandable, and players have to see hope in order to develop. It's no use to them if they see no way of beating Dublin and straight away start wondering can they get a good draw in the qualifiers.

With equal funding, every county should be able to produce 25 senior footballers of a similarly good standard to be competitive, even though it requires an awful lot of work from grassroots up to get right.

Dublin have invested their money well and now the time has come to invest in other counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 04:10:27 PM
Grand so - give Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh €1m each and they'll bate all before them in a few tears.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on September 20, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 03:58:39 PM
i think that bus is a great idea if its fully sponsored as its claimed to be. Volunteer drivers panel an all that
There is no doubt the bus has paid for itself , on promotional value alone ("there's no such thing as bad publicity"), there are also benefits in terms of player comfort, pride in quality, ?financial savings. It's an example of what any county can do in terms of doing things well , cost effectively. Rather than despise what Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon have done in seeking excellence, we should learn from it and try and disseminate models of best practice throughout the country.
Dublin are an example of how a strategy formulated and implemented by very able individual(s) can reap rewards. Many of their ideas are transferable throughout the land and beyond. We all say that the GAA has "created a monster" in Dublin's current status, which has negative connotations . Let's turn that on his head and say we have "created a beast" , in a positive sense, and the success of Dublin can be a catalyst and/or template for overall GAA success.
Notwithstanding that , the GAA needs to remove the inequalities in the current system around provincial bias, distribution of resources, and lack of financial capping , for example.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
Good common sense article there from Jordan. Gavin is a super manager in the right job. I think he might only be average in a different county but in terms of keeping a winning team fresh and hungry he's a genius.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 20, 2017, 04:06:02 PM

There’s no doubt in my mind that this Dublin team are the greatest I’ve ever seen playing Gaelic football and it would be no surprise to see them win again next and maybe even do a five in-a-row in 2019.


They may well win five in-a-row in 2019 however to truly judge greatness you normally look at the strength of the contenders.  A team of the quality of Philip Jordans Tyrone of 2003,05 would beat this Dublin team in All Ireland final IMO.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 20, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
Like this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg)

There are 2 major issues I can see with the development money received per registered player figures, which render them completely inaccurate.

1. The figures only cover development funding paid from the Central Council directly to the counties. Dublin receive most of their dev funds this way whereas the other counties receive the bulk of their games dev funding from their provincial councils. For example in 2015, Connacht received 796k, Munster almost 1.2m, Leinster 1.7m and Ulster 1.27m.

According to the figures on the image, this 5 million distributed by provincial councils is assumed to have disappeared down a black hole. Due to this 5 million not being accounted for, every figure shown on the map is incorrect, and that is a fact.

How a professional journalist can repeatedly reference these figures, which he knows do not cover all of the money distributed is beyond me, although in this case I think the agenda of the journalist is pretty clear.

2. It is illogical to divide the funding received by the no. of Registered GAA players in the county. The funding is not just used to coach already registered players.  For example it funds Cul Camps which are held for 6-13 yr old's and coaching in primary schools. I think it is safe to assume that a lot of these kids are not registered GAA players and some schools that coaches are sent to would in fact have very little registered GAA players.

The only reason I can see for this calculation is to push the numbers up for Dublin. If funding was divided by population or number of juveniles (registered and unregistered) that benefited from the funding then Dublin's amount per head would be reduced significantly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Seriously low number of registered players in Dublin is it not?
some clubs in Dublin only field one adult team
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 20, 2017, 04:39:13 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 20, 2017, 04:06:02 PM

There's no doubt in my mind that this Dublin team are the greatest I've ever seen playing Gaelic football and it would be no surprise to see them win again next and maybe even do a five in-a-row in 2019.


They may well win five in-a-row in 2019 however to truly judge greatness you normally look at the strength of the contenders.  A team of the quality of Philip Jordans Tyrone of 2003,05 would beat this Dublin team in All Ireland final IMO.

An opinion and we will never know. My opinion is they wouldn't.

Also an opinion, Would Mayo have 3 all Irelands this decade if the Dubs were in noughties mode or would Mayo be as good as they are without meeting this Dublin team to get to that level.

Just remember in 12 games Mayo have not beaten the Dubs since 2012. Once.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 20, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
Worth listening to

http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA (http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 20, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
Like this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg)

There are 2 major issues I can see with the development money received per registered player figures, which render them completely inaccurate.

1. The figures only cover development funding paid from the Central Council directly to the counties. Dublin receive most of their dev funds this way whereas the other counties receive the bulk of their games dev funding from their provincial councils. For example in 2015, Connacht received 796k, Munster almost 1.2m, Leinster 1.7m and Ulster 1.27m.

According to the figures on the image, this 5 million distributed by provincial councils is assumed to have disappeared down a black hole. Due to this 5 million not being accounted for, every figure shown on the map is incorrect, and that is a fact.

How a professional journalist can repeatedly reference these figures, which he knows do not cover all of the money distributed is beyond me, although in this case I think the agenda of the journalist is pretty clear.

2. It is illogical to divide the funding received by the no. of Registered GAA players in the county. The funding is not just used to coach already registered players.  For example it funds Cul Camps which are held for 6-13 yr old's and coaching in primary schools. I think it is safe to assume that a lot of these kids are not registered GAA players and some schools that coaches are sent to would in fact have very little registered GAA players.

The only reason I can see for this calculation is to push the numbers up for Dublin. If funding was divided by population or number of juveniles (registered and unregistered) that benefited from the funding then Dublin's amount per head would be reduced significantly.

Dublin also receive development funds from the provincial council.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on September 20, 2017, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
Worth listening to

http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA (http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA)

Sean kelly's opinion is a f**king disgrace. Typical gaa big wig attitude, "smaller counties are the problem, if only we could marginalise and exclude them from the championship proper it would be great."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 20, 2017, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
Worth listening to

http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA (http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA)

Sean kelly's opinion is a f**king disgrace. Typical gaa big wig attitude, "smaller counties are the problem, if only we could marginalise and exclude them from the championship proper it would be great."

He was always a muppet anyway.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on September 20, 2017, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 20, 2017, 11:27:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
Worth listening to
http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA (http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/57592/Financial_imbalances_in_the_GAA)
Sean kelly's opinion is a f**king disgrace. Typical gaa big wig attitude, "smaller counties are the problem, if only we could marginalise and exclude them from the championship proper it would be great."
He was always a muppet anyway.

I thought he was reasonably sound but he's one w**ker there. f**k the rest, save the cash cow.

Real "pull the ladder up, sod the rest" stuff.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
Ewan McKenna getting a national platform like that is really poor, its been proven his figures are correct, even corrected on Twitter last night when he said their was 100 professional coaches in Dublin, there is no where near that number.

And Dublin will never be split up. Fans would walk away, GAA lose a cash cow.

What might happen is you could have a Fingal team entering division 4, but they would finish bottom.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 21, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
Ewan McKenna getting a national platform like that is really poor, its been proven his figures are correct, even corrected on Twitter last night when he said their was 100 professional coaches in Dublin, there is no where near that number.

And Dublin will never be split up. Fans would walk away, GAA lose a cash cow.

What might happen is you could have a Fingal team entering division 4, but they would finish bottom.
Fingal in terms of the council area would include Brigid's, Castleknock, Peregrine's, Skerries, St Sylvester's, Fingallians, Fingal Ravens, Naomh Mearnog and St Maur's from the senior football ranks, I'd imagine you'd get a team out of that capable of operating a little higher than D4.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 21, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
Ewan McKenna getting a national platform like that is really poor, its been proven his figures are correct, even corrected on Twitter last night when he said their was 100 professional coaches in Dublin, there is no where near that number.

And Dublin will never be split up. Fans would walk away, GAA lose a cash cow.

What might happen is you could have a Fingal team entering division 4, but they would finish bottom.
Fingal in terms of the council area would include Brigid's, Castleknock, Peregrine's, Skerries, St Sylvester's, Fingallians, Fingal Ravens, Naomh Mearnog and St Maur's from the senior football ranks, I'd imagine you'd get a team out of that capable of operating a little higher than D4.

I don't think Brigid's and Castleknock fall into the Fingal territories? But if so then you would have uproar to who gets Kilkenny and Paddy Andrews etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 21, 2017, 09:19:28 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 21, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
Ewan McKenna getting a national platform like that is really poor, its been proven his figures are correct, even corrected on Twitter last night when he said their was 100 professional coaches in Dublin, there is no where near that number.

And Dublin will never be split up. Fans would walk away, GAA lose a cash cow.

What might happen is you could have a Fingal team entering division 4, but they would finish bottom.
Fingal in terms of the council area would include Brigid's, Castleknock, Peregrine's, Skerries, St Sylvester's, Fingallians, Fingal Ravens, Naomh Mearnog and St Maur's from the senior football ranks, I'd imagine you'd get a team out of that capable of operating a little higher than D4.

I don't think Brigid's and Castleknock fall into the Fingal territories? But if so then you would have uproar to who gets Kilkenny and Paddy Andrews etc.
Brigid's is out along the Navan Road towards the M50 and the city council ends at the Ashtown roundabout, Castleknock and Blanchardstown are in Fingal CC.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 21, 2017, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 20, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
Like this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg)

There are 2 major issues I can see with the development money received per registered player figures, which render them completely inaccurate.

1. The figures only cover development funding paid from the Central Council directly to the counties. Dublin receive most of their dev funds this way whereas the other counties receive the bulk of their games dev funding from their provincial councils. For example in 2015, Connacht received 796k, Munster almost 1.2m, Leinster 1.7m and Ulster 1.27m.

According to the figures on the image, this 5 million distributed by provincial councils is assumed to have disappeared down a black hole. Due to this 5 million not being accounted for, every figure shown on the map is incorrect, and that is a fact.

How a professional journalist can repeatedly reference these figures, which he knows do not cover all of the money distributed is beyond me, although in this case I think the agenda of the journalist is pretty clear.

2. It is illogical to divide the funding received by the no. of Registered GAA players in the county. The funding is not just used to coach already registered players.  For example it funds Cul Camps which are held for 6-13 yr old's and coaching in primary schools. I think it is safe to assume that a lot of these kids are not registered GAA players and some schools that coaches are sent to would in fact have very little registered GAA players.

The only reason I can see for this calculation is to push the numbers up for Dublin. If funding was divided by population or number of juveniles (registered and unregistered) that benefited from the funding then Dublin's amount per head would be reduced significantly.

Dublin also receive development funds from the provincial council.

Yes but they get majority of it directly from central council, where as other counties get their majority from provincial council. So as the figures on the image only cover funds direct from central council what we are seeing is the comparison of a majority of Dublin's funding against a minority of the 31 other counties funding.

Then this is skewed further by dividing by registered players which doesn't really make sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 09:23:27 AM
Falcao, most kids are registered players. If you are on club grounds and partaking in club activities, you must be registered, so I bet most of them are registered. In the schools, yes, there may not be as many, but registered players is a fairly decent way of measuring the money I think.

In other counties, the percentage of registered players wouldn't be in the teens either, so there's a lot of kids in schools all around the country that aren't registered.

Your point re the provincial councils is well made, but there's a lot of doubt about where that provincial money is being spent. Maybe if they said this is the per player amount we are going to donate, and do it directly from central council, that would be fairer and more transparent.

By the soundings coming from the top table, they are beginning to realise this can't continue. No point having a cash cow if there's no other livestock to play with!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 20, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 20, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
Like this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg)

There are 2 major issues I can see with the development money received per registered player figures, which render them completely inaccurate.

1. The figures only cover development funding paid from the Central Council directly to the counties. Dublin receive most of their dev funds this way whereas the other counties receive the bulk of their games dev funding from their provincial councils. For example in 2015, Connacht received 796k, Munster almost 1.2m, Leinster 1.7m and Ulster 1.27m.

According to the figures on the image, this 5 million distributed by provincial councils is assumed to have disappeared down a black hole. Due to this 5 million not being accounted for, every figure shown on the map is incorrect, and that is a fact.

How a professional journalist can repeatedly reference these figures, which he knows do not cover all of the money distributed is beyond me, although in this case I think the agenda of the journalist is pretty clear.

2. It is illogical to divide the funding received by the no. of Registered GAA players in the county. The funding is not just used to coach already registered players.  For example it funds Cul Camps which are held for 6-13 yr old's and coaching in primary schools. I think it is safe to assume that a lot of these kids are not registered GAA players and some schools that coaches are sent to would in fact have very little registered GAA players.

The only reason I can see for this calculation is to push the numbers up for Dublin. If funding was divided by population or number of juveniles (registered and unregistered) that benefited from the funding then Dublin's amount per head would be reduced significantly.

Dublin also receive development funds from the provincial council.

is there a similar map to show provincial and central council funding. I had my doubts over accuracy of the map given Cork was so low but can anyone show somehting with total of provincial and central council funding and then a reasoned debate can be had
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 09:31:27 AM
Lads, I'm confused. Are ye saying Dublin is *not* disproportionately financed? Because if ye are, then ye are the first I've heard say that. Even GAA people at the top table will accept that. The rationale for it is what they lean on. "We have to boost Dublin because....". Not even the highest level of GAA would say Dublin is getting no more than anyone else. They don't even say that on a per player basis.


Most of the time the argument is that money doesn't make a difference, it's all down to the great work being done behind the scenes, or else it's just a fluke of having a brilliant crop all arrive together.

I genuinely haven't heard anyone in authority, or even on here, claim that the funding is equitable before.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 09:39:44 AM
People also forget that its not just for the registered players. Its promoting non traditional areas and schools.

The argument is cheap and Ewan McKenna is a cheap journalist. He actually compared Dublin to PSG which is an insult to the thousands of volunteers and club people in Dublin, he wouldn't be so brave if he had to argue his point to a room full of volunteers in a big club in Dublin. Off the Ball is also losing its appeal, the two Kildare friends got it off their chest now.....

If you think there should be now funding to promote our National game to children, then there is something wrong with you.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 09:31:27 AM
Lads, I'm confused. Are ye saying Dublin is *not* disproportionately financed? Because if ye are, then ye are the first I've heard say that. Even GAA people at the top table will accept that. The rationale for it is what they lean on. "We have to boost Dublin because....". Not even the highest level of GAA would say Dublin is getting no more than anyone else. They don't even say that on a per player basis.


Most of the time the argument is that money doesn't make a difference, it's all down to the great work being done behind the scenes, or else it's just a fluke of having a brilliant crop all arrive together.

I genuinely haven't heard anyone in authority, or even on here, claim that the funding is equitable before.


.
I am not suggesting that I am asking if anyone has the combined figures for external GAA money ie provincial and central council funds . I dont know the figures my self hence the request before being able to debate same
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 21, 2017, 09:39:44 AM
People also forget that its not just for the registered players. Its promoting non traditional areas and schools.

The argument is cheap and Ewan McKenna is a cheap journalist. He actually compared Dublin to PSG which is an insult to the thousands of volunteers and club people in Dublin, he wouldn't be so brave if he had to argue his point to a room full of volunteers in a big club in Dublin. Off the Ball is also losing its appeal, the two Kildare friends got it off their chest now.....

If you think there should be now funding to promote our National game to children, then there is something wrong with you.

Nobody is saying that at all. I've already said the Dubs are spending their money well.

If you think a child in Tipperary should have LESS funding than a child in Coolock, then there's something wrong with you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 21, 2017, 10:29:17 AM
I'm saying that the numbers in the image are incorrect and deceiving, I think we can both agree on that now?

I don't agree that per registered player is a fairly decent way of measuring the money. If a coach goes to a school in Dublin and spends an hour with a class of 30 pupils, going by participation rates you could be looking at 2-3 kids that are registered with their GAA club and over 25 that are not. Yes, it is the same in other counties, but to a lesser extent and with the higher number of schools in Dublin this makes the number of non registered kids receiving coaching in proportion to registered much higher. In the below graphic from 2015 you can see there are 98,906 registered GAA members between age 8 - 12 but there are 707,973 primary school pupils nationally.

I don't think the imbalance is anywhere near as major as it is being portrayed as being in most quarters. Looking at the numbers attending Cul Camps throughout the country from the below graphic, there is obviously decent levels of funding there in other counties as well. Even on a per registered player status, proportionately there are still much higher numbers attending Cul Camps in Tipperary, Cork, Galway etc than there are in Dublin.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img923/6465/WZq3VV.png)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 10:43:59 AM
Sorry Falcao, I disagree fundamentally. And as I've said, even top level GAA figures agree that Dublin are getting far more money (whichever ratio you use) than other parts of the country. If it really was as fair and equitable as you seem to think, do you not think the leading GAA men would be out rubbishing these figures?

Anyway, we won't solve it here, but all I know is there is not enough money in coaching in the other counties, and that's my bug bear. And hearing people say other counties should get their houses in order is fairly annoying when you see exactly how stretched we are on the ground.

Dublin should be the model for other counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 10:56:21 AM
azoffaly,

you make good points, unlike  alot of contributors here who think penalising Dublin is the way forward........more money to others and copy the structures of Dublin is way forward.

there is much claptrap written about GPOs etc by the likes of Ewan Mckenna . I would venture every Dublin juvenile team is coached by a parent or club loyalist then very same as in Mayo, Rosocmmon, Offaly and anywhere else.
The biggest advantage that Dublin has is fresh batch every year of country born GAA men and women due to economic migration now residing in the capital, and they are the backbone of most juvenile sections in Dublin. The other cities benefit from this to a lesser degree but its something most counties dont have
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 21, 2017, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
Like this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct8TECwXEAAavJn.jpg)

You kinda stole my thunder AZ. I was leading up to posting that!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 21, 2017, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 10:56:21 AM
I would venture every Dublin juvenile team is coached by a parent or club loyalist then very same as in Mayo, Rosocmmon, Offaly and anywhere else.

Club teams? Yeah, you'd likely be right - at least I hope! It'd be more than a bit alarming to learn that in Co. Dublin, underage teams are regularly being coached by county board paid development officers!


But what about development officers into primary/secondary schools? Or what about the coaching for the coaches?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 21, 2017, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 10:56:21 AM
I would venture every Dublin juvenile team is coached by a parent or club loyalist then very same as in Mayo, Rosocmmon, Offaly and anywhere else.

Club teams? Yeah, you'd likely be right - at least I hope! It'd be more than a bit alarming to learn that in Co. Dublin, underage teams are regularly being coached by county board paid development officers!


But what about development officers into primary/secondary schools? Or what about the coaching for the coaches?

those were the implications made by some like mcKenna........
coaches are coached the very same as the rest of ireland , foundation, level one level 2,  who gives the courses or where is irrelevant
The 31 counties ex pats in Dublin have done more to promote the game than any GPO in my view
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sambostar on September 21, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
Coaching the coaches has a lot of impact. And having a GPO within the club gives easy access to a better standard of coaching for the parents who take on coaching roles. GPO's can also come along to training sessions with the kids once-in-a-while to give a session where both the kids & coaches benefit.

That's not to mention the benefit of a GPO visiting the local primary school at least once a week to coach the kids - that doesn't happen in any other county.

Why doesn't the GAA start investing money in Belfast like they do in Dublin? There's a huge untapped playing base in Belfast. It's like Dublin in that many voluntary coaches have come from rural areas but they don't get anywhere near the same levels of paid support from GPO's etc. as volunteer coaches get in Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2017, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs

How many clubs have a GPO? Could you name a few? Do some clubs share one?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 21, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
If the GAA want more big Counties being competitive with Dublin then money needs to go into Belfast/Antrim, Louth,Wicklow and dare we say Kildare and Meath.
Those 5 should be around the same standard as Mayowestros and Donegal/Tyrone based on population figures. In all probability they have higher percentages of under 25s.
Cork occasionally and Kerry usually will also compete for AIs.
As for the rest of us in the little Counties.......occasional appearances in Super 8s will be our lot with the odd Connacht or Ulster title thrown in.
Sadly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ashman on September 21, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: sambostar on September 21, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
Coaching the coaches has a lot of impact. And having a GPO within the club gives easy access to a better standard of coaching for the parents who take on coaching roles. GPO's can also come along to training sessions with the kids once-in-a-while to give a session where both the kids & coaches benefit.

That's not to mention the benefit of a GPO visiting the local primary school at least once a week to coach the kids - that doesn't happen in any other county.

Why doesn't the GAA start investing money in Belfast like they do in Dublin? There's a huge untapped playing base in Belfast. It's like Dublin in that many voluntary coaches have come from rural areas but they don't get anywhere near the same levels of paid support from GPO's etc. as volunteer coaches get in Dublin

To answer your question .  Antrim GAA is not too big to fail .  The GAA don't need Antrim to fill Croker.  It is that simple .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 21, 2017, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs

How many clubs have a GPO? Could you name a few? Do some clubs share one?

I dont know the dublin scene closely anymore but i would guess at there being 50 clubs with GPOs and 10 without one and the remaining smaller clubs sharing one. Some clubs have their own locally funded coach in addition also like Ballyboden, Kilmacud and brigids
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.

The GPOs are great, the clubs pay half of the costs which the moaners all forget also and are are great set up for helping nervous parents, beginner coaches.  Their main work is in the schools which is what they introduced for initially to try and counteract the falling numbers of GAA friendly muinteoirs

Imagine a club having the luxury of been able to contribute to half a GDO's salary. How many clubs in Dublin do this?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 01:08:13 PM
it can be debated either way and lest there be any mistakes i'm not a dub or living there but have a genuine interest in GAA development debate.

there are more counter acttractions in Dublin than in rural ireland leading to a less of a % playing. Population on its own doesn't tell full picture in a city, a larger proportion are apathetic to GAA or are actively anti GAA.

I proposed the Dublin underage structure of one week football one week hurling with fixtres for u8 up to u12 weekly to the county where i live and was met with 20 excuses why it couldn't work and no delegate prepared to stand back and say why dont we imitate a successful blueprint. I was prepared to give 2 years of my life to implement it fully but its easier to feind excuses than find development in may clubs and counties.

Dublin need the 1.3 million but not at others expenses., Others need it but not at Dublins expense would be my mantra
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.

davitts are the 2nd highest  sellers / earners from the GAA national draw as an aside
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 01:08:13 PM
it can be debated either way and lest there be any mistakes i'm not a dub or living there but have a genuine interest in GAA development debate.

there are more counter acttractions in Dublin than in rural ireland leading to a less of a % playing. Population on its own doesn't tell full picture in a city, a larger proportion are apathetic to GAA or are actively anti GAA.

I proposed the Dublin underage structure of one week football one week hurling with fixtres for u8 up to u12 weekly to the county where i live and was met with 20 excuses why it couldn't work and no delegate prepared to stand back and say why dont we imitate a successful blueprint. I was prepared to give 2 years of my life to implement it fully but its easier to feind excuses than find development in may clubs and counties.

Dublin need the 1.3 million but not at others expenses., Others need it but not at Dublins expense would be my mantra

Bingo!!

Just as regards the point about diversions. Assuming your not talking about cinemas and discos and weemin, I'm not sure there are many less distractions in smaller towns any more. I live in a very small town in Tipperary. We have a thriving soccer club, rugby club and basketball club. My young lad is 10 and he plays hurling, football soccer and basketball. These days he has hurling on Monday and Friday, basketball on tuesdays and thursdays and soccer wednesdays and every second saturday. 

As regards fixtures, I absolutely take your point on that. In Tipp the underage fixtures are not too bad, except that they love getting the football out of the way early in the year, but at least there's loads of games to play. The young lad started football in March I think and has his last hurling game next Friday week. There's been games nearly every week in between. However I'm involved with Tipp development football squads, and I have made a similar request regarding fixtures for football. We are very competitive with other counties at 14, 15 etc, but as the lads get older, and particularly into adulthood, the club structures let Tipperary down and so gaps start to emerge between Tipp and Kerry, Cork, etc.

Money for coaching is very important, but it's not a silver bullet. Fixtures, competition structures, etc. are all components, and you have to get them all right. But at least you can fight to change the controllables. The money though, is one thing where the field is not level, and that's why I agree with your point in bold.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2017, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,

This comes back to the population question.  A lot easier to fundraise when you have massive population on your doorstep. Yet another reason why maybe Dublin don't actually need that 1.3 million per year if we are to believe ye guys :)

There was me thinking the likes of Aughamore & Knockmore would have no problem paying half a GDO's salary.

davitts are the 2nd highest  sellers / earners from the GAA national draw as an aside

Which clubs in Dublin contribute 50% to the salary of the GDO and how many members do those clubs have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 02:37:32 PM
Maroon,

i'll leave that to the Dubliners or those based there to reply to but everyone of  them that have a full time GPO contribute 50% of the costs. I have estimated that to be 50 clubs, given there are 93 clubs in Dublin but you'd probably want to phone Parnell park to get a list of same. If you get it you might post it here also
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 21, 2017, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 20, 2017, 12:00:01 PM
Christ only Dublin Cork and Galway have more registered players than Kildare, some under achievers considering those three are top level dual counties.
Kildare will definitely come again, and soon. Division 1 now and most of their players have beaten Dublin at underage. Good manager crucial.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: straightred on September 21, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,
Or higher membership fees. My (Dublin) sub is 305 for myself (non-playing) and 2 kids (u16)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 03:58:16 PM
I had said higher membership fees in addition to the fundraising.

normal juvenile membership for a juvenile is €150 in Dublin.........and they are getting brilliant value at that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,
Or higher membership fees. My (Dublin) sub is 305 for myself (non-playing) and 2 kids (u16)

What would get for that in terms of gear?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 21, 2017, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 03:58:16 PM
I had said higher membership fees in addition to the fundraising.

normal juvenile membership for a juvenile is €150 in Dublin.........and they are getting brilliant value at that

€20 down our way, and the parents grumble about it

maybe because they aren't getting a full time coach into the school or a full time coach helping out with coaching matters in the club
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: straightred on September 21, 2017, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 21, 2017, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 03:58:16 PM
I had said higher membership fees in addition to the fundraising.

normal juvenile membership for a juvenile is €150 in Dublin.........and they are getting brilliant value at that

€20 down our way, and the parents grumble about it

maybe because they aren't getting a full time coach into the school or a full time coach helping out with coaching matters in the club
Yeah - i know its a lot cheaper down the country. However, I've no issue with it as my lads get great value. Hurling and football matches on alternate weekends, training twice a week, other tournaments and trips as well. They play soccer as well and thats around 200 a year each so the GAA compares well. Things in general are dearer in Dublin and I've long since learned to accept that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,
Or higher membership fees. My (Dublin) sub is 305 for myself (non-playing) and 2 kids (u16)

What would get for that in terms of gear?

Nothing I believe but no 2 euro for ref or pitch lot whatever else goes on. You  buy your own gear but as Straight red said a proper games structure  from u8 to u16  alternating between the codes.

Penny pinching  by psrents on fees is so short sighted and hinders proper club development
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: straightred on September 21, 2017, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
maroon,

its not a luxury its called fundraising locally. or higher membership rates....... i would think 50 clubs do so.




but the eternallly paranoid like Mckenna and his twitterers would have you believe that the 18k odd a year the club pays is actual loose change in all dublin clubs,
Or higher membership fees. My (Dublin) sub is 305 for myself (non-playing) and 2 kids (u16)

What would get for that in terms of gear?

Nothing I believe but no 2 euro for ref or pitch lot whatever else goes on. You  buy your own gear but as Straight red said a proper games structure  from u8 to u16  alternating between the codes.

Penny pinching  by psrents on fees is so short sighted and riders proper club development

Buy your own gear and wash it etc. Basically you get no extras but you pay for nothing either during the year except trips and maybe a bit of catering if you're hosting other clubs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 22, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
sambo,

belfast is the most obvious place where GAA need to invest big time ( money and structures) and as you say it gas a lot of the same rural background positives like Dublin.


I wouldn't give the antrim county a penny until they demonstrably short their sh!t out.
If its not rows about hurling vs. football, its city vs. county or something else.


While anyone can yap and complain about Dublin getting extra money above the rest - no one can dispute they came up with a damn good plan of what they were going to do with it and implemented it. Antrim are damned by their clubs constantly in conflict with each other and the county board.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 22, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
Dangle €1m in front of them, appoint a Croke Park employee as "Liaison Officer" and tell them to start planning.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 24, 2017, 04:29:14 AM
I know Ewan Mckenna wrote a very good piece on this and how John Bailey with Bertie backing him up helped to get money pumped into Dublin GAA and that led them to where they are now.
Reading it I found myself saying to myself why the f**k did we get left so badly behind in Kildare. We had Charlie McCreevy who had serious influence as Min for Finance. We had the horsey crowd and the boom times about to roll and all the money slushing around.
On top of all that we had a better senior team than Dublin for the period when the big plans really kicked in. Had we cashed in more, built Hawkfield and improved the county ground we would never have been left behind.
I know it is purely hypothetical but John Bailey had the vision. Do others counties have that to actually spend the money, even if it is given to them?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hectic on September 24, 2017, 07:32:58 AM
Dublin has a massive population and hence more potential than any county in Ireland. However this needs to be harnessed and Dublin over the last couple of decades have made massive strides in this regard.

I look at our own situation in Belfast where we have a relatively large urban population that is not being exploited to anywhere near the extent Dublin is.

Finance would be a massive step but it is not the full journey. It takes organisation, commitment and vision among other things and Dublin deserve massive credit in this regard.

Surely the ultimate goal is to have as many young people participate in Gaelic games with success being a by product of this. I wpuld rather see Dublin dominate than have their massive population disengaged with the games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 24, 2017, 12:28:43 PM


Keith Duggan in The Irish Times:

New-look Dublin have wiped the smile off the country's face

Fifteen years ago, when there was heady talk of using the River Liffey to split Dublin into two North and South Dublin fortresses, among the voices expressing concern and outrage came a thoughtful observation by Tommy Lyons, who had the head-wrecking task of managing the Dubs at the time.

"The country by and large loves Dublin to be there or thereabouts but don't want them winning anything. They like to keep them in isolation and that is what's happened. That's our tribal warfare and that's what keeps the association thriving."

He hit the nail on the head. In 2002, everyone agreed that the Dubs were indeed 'box office'; guaranteed to pack Croke Park in the dog days of August and illuminating Dorset St with a blustery localised expectation. To national delight, they could usually be relied upon to crash and burn at some stage, allowing their flintier brethren from down the country to do the actual winning and speechifying.

In 2002, Dublin had been All-Ireland champions just once since Kevin Heffernan's swansong All-Ireland of 1983. The main point of the review committee was to make the capital's burgeoning population more manageable for the GAA; the thinking was that handling a million-plus people was simply too many sandwiches for any one county board to make.

Using the dirty old river as a clean divide, it was possible to dream up a scenario in which there were two city teams.

"People must remember that even if Dublin is split it will still be the two biggest counties in terms of its population" said Peter Quinn, chair of the review.

Diarmuid Connolly was 15-years-old when that review came out. James McCarthy was 12. Neither teenager could have had much of a living memory reference to the notion of Dublin winning All-Irelands. The GAA and government rush to fund Dublin GAA had already begun. But you have to assume that by then, hundreds of volunteer coaching hours had already gone into the training of both Connolly and McCarthy and their peers.

In 2002, Connolly's club, St Vincent's, was locked in a time-trap. The club hadn't won a Dublin senior title since 1984. Whatever money was going into the development and future welfare of Dublin football didn't really matter to whoever it was in Vincent's that worked with the ten-year-old Connolly on developing the unblemished kicking technique that featured in Sunday's final.

And it is well documented that Paddy Christie, who was Dublin's full back in 2002, saw that nothing was happening to bring kids through in Ballymun so he took it on himself to organise underage training. Among the players that wandered along were Dean Rock, Philly McMahon and James McCarthy. It's impossible to prove this, but there is a decent argument to be made that if those three players – just those three – decided Gaelic football wasn't for them, then Dublin would not have won any of its recent All-Irelands.

Lavish theatre

In 2002, Dublin beat Donegal in the All-Ireland quarter-final after a replay. There was a sense that the Dubs were going somewhere; that they were a coming force. But then they went and fell apart against Joe Kernan's fabulous Armagh side in the All-Ireland semi-final. That game was a vivid manifestation of the point that Lyons had made in January. Armagh had come along and made a bonfire of Dublin vanities and around the country, everybody loved it.

The Dubs were like this lavish theatre, providing the stadium, the pubs, the shady car-parking arrangements and the Greek chorus on the Hill. But when the pressure came, they cracked up.

They looked scared of Armagh; scared of their muscles and scared of their ambition. Armagh won and that segued into the Tyrone-Armagh era and in the subsequent years, the Dublin North and South idea was quietly shelved as a succession of counties delighted in giving the city boys from both sides of the river their comeuppance. And the country was just fine with this arrangement.

It could go on forever.

They can't really say this in Kerry but deep down, there must be a feeling in the Kingdom that they let the genie out of the bottle in that All-Ireland final of 2011. Dublin's enormous potential as an All-Ireland serial winner was there for everyone to see. But the more they failed, the more defined their role as glamorous losers seemed to be. Kerry didn't close out that game and the Dubs caught them with a late brilliant rush through the gates and since then, everything has changed.

The dominance of Dublin under Jim Gavin has led to a nationwide conclusion that the beast has finally been stirred. The population and heavy financial backing and corporate appeal have led to the mathematical equation of limitless All-Irelands in their future.

But that possible future diminishes the achievement of this year's team. Also, there is a nagging sense that if you take out just a handful of people from the Dublin GAA scene just now – Jim Gavin, Pat Gilroy, John Costello, Stephen Cluxton, McCarthy and Connolly – they simply won't be replaced. Not 'take out' in a Tony Soprano sense but just imagine Dublin without their on-field and off-field influences and maybe the big monster doesn't look quite as scary; maybe the composure piece doesn't look quite as composed.

It could well be that Dublin will go on to complete a five-in-a-row. And it stands to reason that if such a densely populated county improves its city coaching structure so that the best 30 kids every year are identified and given the best training and funnelled through so that two or maybe three progress to the Dublin senior squad, then they should be a perpetual force; should quickly catch Kerry's all-time horde of All-Irelands and realise their potential as the most dominant team in the country.

The fear that the GAA has created something beyond its control may well be proven true. And in the future years, it could be borne out that no other county can live with the best that Dublin offer.

But right now, in 2017, this Dublin team has emerged from a culture of falling short to national delight. They have turned it around. There are nameless people all over the city who will believe that the unpaid hours they gave to Cian O'Sullivan or to Cluxton or to Eoghan O'Gara have, in a small intangible way, contributed to this dynastic run.

So Dublin are no longer there or thereabouts. Dublin are there to stay. Nobody seems sure how to respond. Splitting the county should no more be an option in Dublin than it is for Kerry. The lure of the GAA is playing for your county, not playing for half of it.

So now, the GAA needs a strategic review to offer solutions as to how to at least keep the illusion of a national competition alive. A quick glance at the provincial and national winners scroll shows that nothing has really changed. Laois have won a single Leinster senior championship since 1945. Louth have not won in Leinster since 1957, Wexford since 1945 and Offaly since 1997.

Their fortunes have not been affected by Dublin's surge. It was always Dublin's world: they just didn't know it. All that has happened in the last five years is that Dublin have gotten serious and nobody is laughing now.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 10:02:41 PM
Quote from: Hectic on September 24, 2017, 07:32:58 AM
Dublin has a massive population and hence more potential than any county in Ireland. However this needs to be harnessed and Dublin over the last couple of decades have made massive strides in this regard.

I look at our own situation in Belfast where we have a relatively large urban population that is not being exploited to anywhere near the extent Dublin is.

Finance would be a massive step but it is not the full journey. It takes organisation, commitment and vision among other things and Dublin deserve massive credit in this regard.

Surely the ultimate goal is to have as many young people participate in Gaelic games with success being a by product of this. I wpuld rather see Dublin dominate than have their massive population disengaged with the games.

Absolutely. The Sam Maguire is only one competition in the GAA. It's the highest profile and possibly the only one a lot of fans care about. i'd suggest the priorities of those people are misplaced. Get into your clubs and follow your underage and adult teams. Loads of enjoyment to be had.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 25, 2017, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 24, 2017, 12:28:43 PM


Keith Duggan in The Irish Times:

New-look Dublin have wiped the smile off the country's face

Fifteen years ago, when there was heady talk of using the River Liffey to split Dublin into two North and South Dublin fortresses, among the voices expressing concern and outrage came a thoughtful observation by Tommy Lyons, who had the head-wrecking task of managing the Dubs at the time.

"The country by and large loves Dublin to be there or thereabouts but don't want them winning anything. They like to keep them in isolation and that is what's happened. That's our tribal warfare and that's what keeps the association thriving."

He hit the nail on the head. In 2002, everyone agreed that the Dubs were indeed 'box office'; guaranteed to pack Croke Park in the dog days of August and illuminating Dorset St with a blustery localised expectation. To national delight, they could usually be relied upon to crash and burn at some stage, allowing their flintier brethren from down the country to do the actual winning and speechifying.

In 2002, Dublin had been All-Ireland champions just once since Kevin Heffernan's swansong All-Ireland of 1983. The main point of the review committee was to make the capital's burgeoning population more manageable for the GAA; the thinking was that handling a million-plus people was simply too many sandwiches for any one county board to make.

Using the dirty old river as a clean divide, it was possible to dream up a scenario in which there were two city teams.

"People must remember that even if Dublin is split it will still be the two biggest counties in terms of its population" said Peter Quinn, chair of the review.

Diarmuid Connolly was 15-years-old when that review came out. James McCarthy was 12. Neither teenager could have had much of a living memory reference to the notion of Dublin winning All-Irelands. The GAA and government rush to fund Dublin GAA had already begun. But you have to assume that by then, hundreds of volunteer coaching hours had already gone into the training of both Connolly and McCarthy and their peers.

In 2002, Connolly's club, St Vincent's, was locked in a time-trap. The club hadn't won a Dublin senior title since 1984. Whatever money was going into the development and future welfare of Dublin football didn't really matter to whoever it was in Vincent's that worked with the ten-year-old Connolly on developing the unblemished kicking technique that featured in Sunday's final.

And it is well documented that Paddy Christie, who was Dublin's full back in 2002, saw that nothing was happening to bring kids through in Ballymun so he took it on himself to organise underage training. Among the players that wandered along were Dean Rock, Philly McMahon and James McCarthy. It's impossible to prove this, but there is a decent argument to be made that if those three players – just those three – decided Gaelic football wasn't for them, then Dublin would not have won any of its recent All-Irelands.

Lavish theatre

In 2002, Dublin beat Donegal in the All-Ireland quarter-final after a replay. There was a sense that the Dubs were going somewhere; that they were a coming force. But then they went and fell apart against Joe Kernan's fabulous Armagh side in the All-Ireland semi-final. That game was a vivid manifestation of the point that Lyons had made in January. Armagh had come along and made a bonfire of Dublin vanities and around the country, everybody loved it.

The Dubs were like this lavish theatre, providing the stadium, the pubs, the shady car-parking arrangements and the Greek chorus on the Hill. But when the pressure came, they cracked up.

They looked scared of Armagh; scared of their muscles and scared of their ambition. Armagh won and that segued into the Tyrone-Armagh era and in the subsequent years, the Dublin North and South idea was quietly shelved as a succession of counties delighted in giving the city boys from both sides of the river their comeuppance. And the country was just fine with this arrangement.

It could go on forever.

They can't really say this in Kerry but deep down, there must be a feeling in the Kingdom that they let the genie out of the bottle in that All-Ireland final of 2011. Dublin's enormous potential as an All-Ireland serial winner was there for everyone to see. But the more they failed, the more defined their role as glamorous losers seemed to be. Kerry didn't close out that game and the Dubs caught them with a late brilliant rush through the gates and since then, everything has changed.

The dominance of Dublin under Jim Gavin has led to a nationwide conclusion that the beast has finally been stirred. The population and heavy financial backing and corporate appeal have led to the mathematical equation of limitless All-Irelands in their future.

But that possible future diminishes the achievement of this year's team. Also, there is a nagging sense that if you take out just a handful of people from the Dublin GAA scene just now – Jim Gavin, Pat Gilroy, John Costello, Stephen Cluxton, McCarthy and Connolly – they simply won't be replaced. Not 'take out' in a Tony Soprano sense but just imagine Dublin without their on-field and off-field influences and maybe the big monster doesn't look quite as scary; maybe the composure piece doesn't look quite as composed.

It could well be that Dublin will go on to complete a five-in-a-row. And it stands to reason that if such a densely populated county improves its city coaching structure so that the best 30 kids every year are identified and given the best training and funnelled through so that two or maybe three progress to the Dublin senior squad, then they should be a perpetual force; should quickly catch Kerry's all-time horde of All-Irelands and realise their potential as the most dominant team in the country.

The fear that the GAA has created something beyond its control may well be proven true. And in the future years, it could be borne out that no other county can live with the best that Dublin offer.

But right now, in 2017, this Dublin team has emerged from a culture of falling short to national delight. They have turned it around. There are nameless people all over the city who will believe that the unpaid hours they gave to Cian O'Sullivan or to Cluxton or to Eoghan O'Gara have, in a small intangible way, contributed to this dynastic run.

So Dublin are no longer there or thereabouts. Dublin are there to stay. Nobody seems sure how to respond. Splitting the county should no more be an option in Dublin than it is for Kerry. The lure of the GAA is playing for your county, not playing for half of it.

So now, the GAA needs a strategic review to offer solutions as to how to at least keep the illusion of a national competition alive. A quick glance at the provincial and national winners scroll shows that nothing has really changed. Laois have won a single Leinster senior championship since 1945. Louth have not won in Leinster since 1957, Wexford since 1945 and Offaly since 1997.

Their fortunes have not been affected by Dublin's surge. It was always Dublin's world: they just didn't know it. All that has happened in the last five years is that Dublin have gotten serious and nobody is laughing now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
Do you assume otherwise? Do you assume Connolly at 15 was only average and that he was immediately put on a lavishly funded programme to turn him into Ireland's best footballer?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 26, 2017, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
Do you assume otherwise? Do you assume Connolly at 15 was only average and that he was immediately put on a lavishly funded programme to turn him into Ireland's best footballer?

Dublin Defence Force Zulu has been activated..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 26, 2017, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
Do you assume otherwise? Do you assume Connolly at 15 was only average and that he was immediately put on a lavishly funded programme to turn him into Ireland's best footballer?

I assume D.C. was a talent and was properly coached and moulded. I more than assume that this more and more happened to players younger than him. Do you think these talents are just falling out f the sky? That money has no bearing?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 26, 2017, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2017, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
Do you assume otherwise? Do you assume Connolly at 15 was only average and that he was immediately put on a lavishly funded programme to turn him into Ireland's best footballer?

I assume D.C. was a talent and was properly coached and moulded. I more than assume that this more and more happened to players younger than him. Do you think these talents are just falling out f the sky? That money has no bearing?

natural talent and volunteerism just a once twice in a lifetime generation
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2017, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 26, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
Do you assume otherwise? Do you assume Connolly at 15 was only average and that he was immediately put on a lavishly funded programme to turn him into Ireland's best footballer?

Dublin Defence Force Zulu

:D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 27, 2017, 12:37:25 PM

QuoteBut then Dublin went and fell apart against Joe Kernan's fabulous Armagh side in the All-Ireland semi-final. That game was a vivid manifestation of the point that Lyons had made in January. Armagh had come along and made a bonfire of Dublin vanities and around the country, everybody loved it.

The Dubs were like this lavish theatre, providing the stadium, the pubs, the shady car-parking arrangements and the Greek chorus on the Hill. But when the pressure came, they cracked up.


This type of utter nonsense used to really get to me, and these days Mayo often get similar nonsense thrown at them.

That All Ireland semi final in 2002 was a very exciting game played between two evenly matched teams. A game that could have gone either way, the width of the post the difference between a draw and a 1 point Armagh win. They scored 1 point more, thus Armagh deserved their win. But Armagh were described as "fabulous" and the Dubs "fell apart"!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 28, 2017, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
If the GAA want more big Counties being competitive with Dublin then money needs to go into Belfast/Antrim, Louth,Wicklow and dare we say Kildare and Meath.
Those 5 should be around the same standard as Mayowestros and Donegal/Tyrone based on population figures. In all probability they have higher percentages of under 25s.
Cork occasionally and Kerry usually will also compete for AIs.
As for the rest of us in the little Counties.......occasional appearances in Super 8s will be our lot with the odd Connacht or Ulster title thrown in.
Sadly.
Just spotted this now.
A while ago, 3 or 4 months, I can't be sure, the GAA did announce that extra funding would be allocated to Meath and Kildare also. The idea was to help cater for their rapidly growing populations but there was litle or no public reaction to this announcement.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on October 14, 2017, 09:50:46 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/soccer-holds-sway-in-gaa-wastelands-of-dundalk-and-drogheda-1.3255495?mode=amp

Time Louth got a dig out too!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on October 14, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
That's exactly what the GAA should be doing, identifying areas of growth and funding the process of turning potential into reality.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on October 14, 2017, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 14, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
That's exactly what the GAA should be doing, identifying areas of growth and funding the process of turning potential into reality.

Every area is an area of potential growth compared to the money being pumped into Dublin. If your idea of a response to a massive disadvantage is to create others, you have a serious flaw in your logic.

You can't make a song with one note, Zulu.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on October 14, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 14, 2017, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 14, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
That's exactly what the GAA should be doing, identifying areas of growth and funding the process of turning potential into reality.

Every area is an area of potential growth compared to the money being pumped into Dublin. If your idea of a response to a massive disadvantage is to create others, you have a serious flaw in your logic.

You can't make a song with one note, Zulu.

For the love of Christ. Are you saying the GAA shouldn't fund the growth of the GAA in areas line Dundalk where it can expand? What are you arguing? Are you saying we shouldn't fund the growth of any urban area as that will leave rural, smaller areas behind? You give out a whole lot but I see no alternatives from you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 15, 2017, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 14, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 14, 2017, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 14, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
That's exactly what the GAA should be doing, identifying areas of growth and funding the process of turning potential into reality.

Every area is an area of potential growth compared to the money being pumped into Dublin. If your idea of a response to a massive disadvantage is to create others, you have a serious flaw in your logic.

You can't make a song with one note, Zulu.

For the love of Christ. Are you saying the GAA shouldn't fund the growth of the GAA in areas line Dundalk where it can expand? What are you arguing? Are you saying we shouldn't fund the growth of any urban area as that will leave rural, smaller areas behind? You give out a whole lot but I see no alternatives from you.

Has the millions in funding grown the game in Dublin? I don't know btw but anecdotally I don't see new clubs being formed every year, introducing kids to GAA or any sport in schools is great but how do you transition those kids to clubs? 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ONeill on October 15, 2017, 08:51:57 AM
Has anyone from Dublin admitted there's something not right about the distribution of funds?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on October 15, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
It would be easier to get Jim Allister to admit that British rule in Ireland was a disgrace than for anyone in Dublin to admit that the allocation of money is in any way unbalanced.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Minder on November 30, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
@MickFoley76  (Sunday Times journalist)

Quick scan of the sports grants: 64 six figure sums to clubs in Dublin, 31 received 150k - the highest amount. 29 six figure sums went to clubs in the rest of the country, 2 clubs outside Dublin received 150k.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 30, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
 >:( >:( :(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2017, 03:15:56 PM
We got 38.5K, so can't complain. It will allow us astro turf our hurling wall, and do a few other bits and bobs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on November 30, 2017, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 30, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
@MickFoley76  (Sunday Times journalist)

Quick scan of the sports grants: 64 six figure sums to clubs in Dublin, 31 received 150k - the highest amount. 29 six figure sums went to clubs in the rest of the country, 2 clubs outside Dublin received 150k.

Feck that stat reads as fairly crazy.

It's hardly as if they are actually buying land, so what's the reason for the discrepancy?
There's hardly that much of a difference in wages and other costs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
 Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does. This particular paragraph makes for interesting reading.
According to the latest census, Dublin's population accounts for approx. 28% of Ireland's total, with 38% in the entire Dublin greater area (Including parts of Meath, Kildare, etc.) If the argument is that funding should be in line with population, questions must be asked as to why the funding granted to Dublin is still disproportionate compared to that? To take GAA games development funding of 31 counties per player to Dublin level would need budget increase from €3,138,907 to €90,673,525.40.
Further down this article there's a link to Ewan McKenna's Twitter feed.
Here It's stated that Dublin gets 12.5 the amount of funding for each registered player than Mayo does. When you consider all the other advantages Dublin have over Mayo, how can anyone say that the reason Dublin edged out Mayo in recent AI finals can be put down to the sheer talent of the Dubs' players and that alone?
IMO, there's a serious flow in the line of thought that money must be pumped into Dublin GAA to ensure its survival, even if it means every other county have to go and suck the hind tit where grant aid is concerned.
Intercounty championship competition is the lifeblood of the GAA, always was and always will be.
How can the GAA prosper in Dublin when there soon won't be a single county in the land who could give them a serious challenge? Sure, there will always be the possibility that some county ay catch them on an off day but no other side will be able to do what Mayo is doing at the moment.
Already the signs are ominous with attendances dropping at championship games throughout the country. Why do you think this fecking Super 8 format was devised?
It's there to help make up the shortfall as revenues drops and interest in the competition wanes. This is only a holding tactic, it will postpone the inevitable, not remove it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 03, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Did not renew my season ticket this year! Will only go to the convenient Mayo games. GAA at intercounty is in melt down. The Government and the GAA have created a MONSTER called Dublin. The Leinster Championship has not existed now for nearly a decade. The AI is not much better.

The main media continually ignores the MONEY issue with Dublin.

I've learned to go back to the Club scene and enjoy that!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Avondhu star on December 03, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Did not renew my season ticket this year! Will only go to the convenient Mayo games. GAA at intercounty is in melt down. The Government and the GAA have created a MONSTER called Dublin. The Leinster Championship has not existed now for nearly a decade. The AI is not much better.

The main media continually ignores the MONEY issue with Dublin.

I've learned to go back to the Club scene and enjoy that!

A Club scene where county players are rarely seen bar championship games
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 03, 2017, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Did not renew my season ticket this year! Will only go to the convenient Mayo games. GAA at intercounty is in melt down. The Government and the GAA have created a MONSTER called Dublin. The Leinster Championship has not existed now for nearly a decade. The AI is not much better.

The main media continually ignores the MONEY issue with Dublin.

I've learned to go back to the Club scene and enjoy that!

I've been doing that for three years now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 03, 2017, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: mup on December 03, 2017, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Did not renew my season ticket this year! Will only go to the convenient Mayo games. GAA at intercounty is in melt down. The Government and the GAA have created a MONSTER called Dublin. The Leinster Championship has not existed now for nearly a decade. The AI is not much better.

The main media continually ignores the MONEY issue with Dublin.

I've learned to go back to the Club scene and enjoy that!

I've been doing that for three years now.

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Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
Funny its the two Mayo lads have a cry, surprised of the wording, gone back to club scene, should have never been away from it.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.

Split Caula in two, North and South Dalky. Are any team in Dublin allowed win or should they run it by the rest of the country first.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.

Split Caula in two, North and South Dalky. Are any team in Dublin allowed win or should they run it by the rest of the country first.

If they did it would be a first, not many decisions are decided outside the Pale. Grants, Super 8, Important Football games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.

Split Caula in two, North and South Dalky. Are any team in Dublin allowed win or should they run it by the rest of the country first.

If they did it would be a first, not many decisions are decided outside the Pale. Grants, Super 8, Important Football games.

1. You apply for grants, anyone can apply, see non GAA list of clubs. Also party pump politics are at play here too. Show list of rejections.
2. Super 8 , Non Dubs in headquarters make those decisions, the administration are all about money.
3. Important football games, lets play the all Ireland in Castlebar every year to give you a chance.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.

Split Caula in two, North and South Dalky. Are any team in Dublin allowed win or should they run it by the rest of the country first.

If they did it would be a first, not many decisions are decided outside the Pale. Grants, Super 8, Important Football games.

1. You apply for grants, anyone can apply, see non GAA list of clubs. Also party pump politics are at play here too. Show list of rejections.
2. Super 8 , Non Dubs in headquarters make those decisions, the administration are all about money.
3. Important football games, lets play the all Ireland in Castlebar every year to give you a chance.

Believe what you like. It's been about Croke Park and Dublin for the last 15 years!

Its kinda sad when Dublin have to play all their games at home. Can you imagine any other sport giving credit to a team and it's support with such an advantage of playing all their games at home! That coupled with all the MONEY! You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations.

Dublin will have it all to themselves pretty soon. Should be great fun being a Dublin supporter in Croke Park with little or no rival fans. With all your Money you could do what North Korea do and hire some fans.

Gaelic football at inter-county is a mess. People outside the Pale are walking away!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on December 04, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
Take off the tin hat for Christ sake!

There are issues but when you post nonsense like "You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations" you lose credibility.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.

Split Caula in two, North and South Dalky. Are any team in Dublin allowed win or should they run it by the rest of the country first.

If they did it would be a first, not many decisions are decided outside the Pale. Grants, Super 8, Important Football games.

1. You apply for grants, anyone can apply, see non GAA list of clubs. Also party pump politics are at play here too. Show list of rejections.
2. Super 8 , Non Dubs in headquarters make those decisions, the administration are all about money.
3. Important football games, lets play the all Ireland in Castlebar every year to give you a chance.

Believe what you like. It's been about Croke Park and Dublin for the last 15 years!

Its kinda sad when Dublin have to play all their games at home. Can you imagine any other sport giving credit to a team and it's support with such an advantage of playing all their games at home! That coupled with all the MONEY! You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations.

Dublin will have it all to themselves pretty soon. Should be great fun being a Dublin supporter in Croke Park with little or no rival fans. With all your Money you could do what North Korea do and hire some fans.

Gaelic football at inter-county is a mess. People outside the Pale are walking away!

That's an embarrassing post, I feel sorry for you and maybe you should seek some help with your grievances. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 04, 2017, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 04, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I see the Leinster club SHC has gone like the Inter County SFC - a  procession for Dublin.

Split Caula in two, North and South Dalky. Are any team in Dublin allowed win or should they run it by the rest of the country first.

If they did it would be a first, not many decisions are decided outside the Pale. Grants, Super 8, Important Football games.

1. You apply for grants, anyone can apply, see non GAA list of clubs. Also party pump politics are at play here too. Show list of rejections.
2. Super 8 , Non Dubs in headquarters make those decisions, the administration are all about money.
3. Important football games, lets play the all Ireland in Castlebar every year to give you a chance.

Believe what you like. It's been about Croke Park and Dublin for the last 15 years!

Its kinda sad when Dublin have to play all their games at home. Can you imagine any other sport giving credit to a team and it's support with such an advantage of playing all their games at home! That coupled with all the MONEY! You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations.

Dublin will have it all to themselves pretty soon. Should be great fun being a Dublin supporter in Croke Park with little or no rival fans. With all your Money you could do what North Korea do and hire some fans.

Gaelic football at inter-county is a mess. People outside the Pale are walking away!

That's an embarrassing post, I feel sorry for you and maybe you should seek some help with your grievances.

;D ;D

So it's not ok for someone else to make wild allegations but it's ok for you to do it?

Gotcha
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on December 04, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?

No there isnt DCB assistance  , but it would be a logical thing for all county boards to do wouldnt it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 04, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?

No there isnt DCB assistance  , but it would be a logical thing for all county boards to do wouldnt it

It would, but I wonder would most of the other 31 CBs lack the funds to acquire the necessary expertise.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on December 04, 2017, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 04, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?

No there isnt DCB assistance  , but it would be a logical thing for all county boards to do wouldnt it

It would, but I wonder would most of the other 31 CBs lack the funds to acquire the necessary expertise.
Its nothing to do with funding. DCB don't go round hiring people to give lessons to the clubs on how to fill out grant applications. Dublin clubs get turned down too for incorrect forms.

It's not rocket science, but you do need somebody who's able to fill out lengthy forms. Would it be easier to find such members in urban rather than rural clubs?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on December 04, 2017, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Zulu on December 04, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
Take off the tin hat for Christ sake!

There are issues but when you post nonsense like "You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations" you lose credibility.

FTB lost all faith in the media when they made Keegan pull down Connolly in an All Ireland final replay! He'll never forgive them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2017, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 04, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?

No there isnt DCB assistance  , but it would be a logical thing for all county boards to do wouldnt it

It would, but I wonder would most of the other 31 CBs lack the funds to acquire the necessary expertise.
Its nothing to do with funding. DCB don't go round hiring people to give lessons to the clubs on how to fill out grant applications. Dublin clubs get turned down too for incorrect forms.

It's not rocket science, but you do need somebody who's able to fill out lengthy forms. Would it be easier to find such members in urban rather than rural clubs?

To translate your Dublinaese, would it be easier for clubs larger than many counties to produce a professional, legally impeccable business plan and get it passed by a HQ handing grant money to Dublin at a rate per registered member that is many multiples that of which is given to other counties?

Yes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on December 04, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
Take off the tin hat for Christ sake!

There are issues but when you post nonsense like "You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations" you lose credibility.

Where are all the National Newspapers and Radio stations located? Where are the biggest sales? Jez, Zulu, you talk about tin hats! You are the one who seriously needs glasses! You are stuck in a romantic version of the GAA that died about 7 or 8 years ago. I suppose it's hard for me to expect a lad living in England to understand when lads even in my own county can't see the wood from the trees. But hey you believe what you want to believe.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 04, 2017, 07:16:10 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Zulu on December 04, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
Take off the tin hat for Christ sake!

There are issues but when you post nonsense like "You own the MEDIA so they won't say anything because they are afraid you won't buy your papers and they won't listen to your Radio stations" you lose credibility.

FTB lost all faith in the media when they made Keegan pull down Connolly in an All Ireland final replay! He'll never forgive them.

Yes, your motley crew got busily to work that week in the media. I say there was up to 10 former Dublin Players who singled out Keegan for special attention. A well orchestrated blackening of a player! Thanks for highlighting that!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.

Pot, kettle and black.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 05, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.

Pot, kettle and black.

Exactly.

All you need to do is look at his post in the 'Your GAA Highlight of 2017'. Clearly looking for a reaction.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: mup on December 05, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.

Pot, kettle and black.

Exactly.

All you need to do is look at his post in the 'Your GAA Highlight of 2017'. Clearly looking for a reaction.

Nope, not at all, that was the honest truth my highlight of they year, the whinging and crying in the aftermath. Makes you appreciate victory more.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 05, 2017, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: mup on December 05, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 05, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Think this guy is a WUM, ban him.

Pot, kettle and black.

Exactly.

All you need to do is look at his post in the 'Your GAA Highlight of 2017'. Clearly looking for a reaction.

Nope, not at all, that was the honest truth my highlight of they year, the whinging and crying in the aftermath. Makes you appreciate victory more.

Well then that's pathetic.

Besides I never heard so much whinging and crying coming from fans after they won the AI. You can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 05, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
In 10 years time when people ask when did GAA inter-county football die and is it only Kerry and Dublin that take it serious anymore, I shall point them to this thread.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 05, 2017, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 05, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
In 10 years time when people ask when did GAA inter-county football die and it is only  Dublin A and Dublin B that take it serious anymore, I shall point them to this thread.
There! Fixed that for ya. ;D ;D
Going by Tomás and Marc Ó Sé, you'd be forgiven for thinking that Dublin and Kerry will battle it out for generations to come with the rest of us training miles behind. A battle among equals, the likes of which has never been seen before. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Kerry will be able to put it up to the Dubs, year after year; a case of pathetic fallacy, if ever there was one.
It's delusional, plain and simple, to think that Kerry will have the resources and all that goes with that to put it up to Dublin on a sustained basis.
History is bunkum as Henry Ford said and what's good enough for Henry is good enough for me.
It's all very well to waffle on about tradition and glorious events of the past but the social and economic changes taking place right now have nothing to do with tradition.
The gap in every sense between Dublin and the rest of the country is widening all the time and Kerry will be no exception.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnneycool on December 06, 2017, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 04, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 04, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 03, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
Here's a piece from Balls.ie (http://"https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sporting-grants-breakdown-show-massive-weighting-towards-dublin-gaa-clubs-378685") dealing with the same subject. Under the heading, Sporting Grants Breakdown Show Massive Weighting Towards Dublin GAA Clubs,it goes into more detail than Foley does.

Key paragraph from that link:

There's no doubt that on an individual basis, the grants to Dublin clubs may well be justified, and it's unlikely there is an actual bias, and it's more down to better lobbying and organisation, and better proposals. There is also the issue of capital expenditure being significantly more expensive in Dublin.

Each club made their own submission. The county the club happened to be in was totally irrelevant.

What is probably shows is that Dublin clubs continue to grow because population continues to increase, so there is more need for improved facilities.

Serious question here, does the Dublin CB have someone helping clubs to fill out the grant forms in a way that they are more likely to meet the requirements for funding?

No there isnt DCB assistance  , but it would be a logical thing for all county boards to do wouldnt it

It would, but I wonder would most of the other 31 CBs lack the funds to acquire the necessary expertise.

Down CB offer this service AFAIK but I have to say we are fortunate to have one of our committee members who's worked in such government bodies and her expertise has proved vital in all our applications.
They are an artform to say the least.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 06, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
Maybe but they're not getting it from Croke Park though.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 06, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
Maybe but they're not getting it from Croke Park though.

Neither do the Dublin senior footballers. Serious money by Kerry , Multi Billion Euro company sponsoring them.

Another interesting article also - https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-history-will-judge-dublin-as-exceptional-1.3316949

Have a great evening.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
That's not very surprising since it covers all teams in all grades, ladies as well as men's teams. Mayo also spent over €1M on team preparations  in 2016 but that included the cost of fielding all teams, men and ladies, in all grades, replays included.
Travelling expenses take up a huge chunk of mayo's costs every year.  The same may well apply to Kerry also.
Ten of the present Mayo panel live and work/study in Dublin so the cost of ferrying them down to Ballyhaunis or wherever, and back again maybe 4 times a week is considerable.
( I believe that sometimes it's the home-based players who do the traveling as they are brought to Dublin to make use of the specialised facilities that are there. I've been told this but I don't know the details.)
Still, both Kerry and Mayo combined don't spend as much on their seniors as Dublin does. Dublin, if reports from their AGM  are true spent in excess of €1M last year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mrhardyannual on December 06, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
That's not very surprising since it covers all teams in all grades, ladies as well as men's teams. Mayo also spent over €1M on team preparations  in 2016 but that included the cost of fielding all teams, men and ladies, in all grades, replays included.
Travelling expenses take up a huge chunk of mayo's costs every year.  The same may well apply to Kerry also.
Ten of the present Mayo panel live and work/study in Dublin so the cost of ferrying them down to Ballyhaunis or wherever, and back again maybe 4 times a week is considerable.
( I believe that sometimes it's the home-based players who do the traveling as they are brought to Dublin to make use of the specialised facilities that are there. I've been told this but I don't know the details.)
Still, both Kerry and Mayo combined don't spend as much on their seniors as Dublin does. Dublin, if reports from their AGM  are true spent in excess of €1M last year.
Mayo accounts for 2016 showed €1.6 million spent on teams. None of this refers to Mayo Ladies.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 06, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
Dublin entering their third team again to defend the O'Byrne Cup! :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2017, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on December 06, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 06, 2017, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on December 06, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Kerry County Board report spending over 1 million on team preparation across the various countg teams with over 300000 on the senior footballers. No shortage of moola there
That's not very surprising since it covers all teams in all grades, ladies as well as men's teams. Mayo also spent over €1M on team preparations  in 2016 but that included the cost of fielding all teams, men and ladies, in all grades, replays included.
Travelling expenses take up a huge chunk of mayo's costs every year.  The same may well apply to Kerry also.
Ten of the present Mayo panel live and work/study in Dublin so the cost of ferrying them down to Ballyhaunis or wherever, and back again maybe 4 times a week is considerable.
( I believe that sometimes it's the home-based players who do the traveling as they are brought to Dublin to make use of the specialised facilities that are there. I've been told this but I don't know the details.)
Still, both Kerry and Mayo combined don't spend as much on their seniors as Dublin does. Dublin, if reports from their AGM  are true spent in excess of €1M last year.
Mayo accounts for 2016 showed €1.6 million spent on teams. None of this refers to Mayo Ladies.
I'm going by what Edwin McGreal said and the total was for ALL teams. (I believe I read the same account on Willie Joe's blob. What was noteworthy was that this was the first time Mayo's spend for the  year exceeded €1M.)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 06, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
Dublin entering their third team again to defend the O'Byrne Cup! :)

And it'd probably win Leinster too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Bord na Mona man on December 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
It correlates that less financially wealthy counties, with the lowest budgets have the most players working away and travelling greater distances.

A good way to dilute one of Dublin's key advantages would be to have travel expenses for senior inter county teams come out of the central GAA budget.

With proper checks to make sure the expenses are genuine obviously.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
It correlates that less financially wealthy counties, with the lowest budgets have the most players working away and travelling greater distances.

A good way to dilute one of Dublin's key advantages would be to have travel expenses for senior inter county teams come out of the central GAA budget.

With proper checks to make sure the expenses are genuine obviously.

Seeing as all Dublin players work and live in Dublin, I doubt travel expenses are a large part of the DCBs expenses. I'm not sure how this would dilute Dublin's advantage?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lone Shark on December 07, 2017, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
It correlates that less financially wealthy counties, with the lowest budgets have the most players working away and travelling greater distances.

A good way to dilute one of Dublin's key advantages would be to have travel expenses for senior inter county teams come out of the central GAA budget.

With proper checks to make sure the expenses are genuine obviously.

Seeing as all Dublin players work and live in Dublin, I doubt travel expenses are a large part of the DCBs expenses. I'm not sure how this would dilute Dublin's advantage?

Because it's a minimal cost to a county like Dublin, but a significant burden to some other counties where there is little or no local employment/third level education, and so they're forking out significant mileage for every training session. I was told before that as a rule of thumb in some counties, every training session costs around €3,000 by the time you take into account mileage, food, management costs etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 07, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
Id say that figure wouldn't be far out for western Counties anyway.
Some form of Central grant should be available right enough.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
I misconstrued your original post. Got it now! Decent idea if travel expenses are taken out of CBs hands and paid by Croke Park.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Bord na Mona man on December 07, 2017, 11:17:36 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
It correlates that less financially wealthy counties, with the lowest budgets have the most players working away and travelling greater distances.

A good way to dilute one of Dublin's key advantages would be to have travel expenses for senior inter county teams come out of the central GAA budget.

With proper checks to make sure the expenses are genuine obviously.

Seeing as all Dublin players work and live in Dublin, I doubt travel expenses are a large part of the DCBs expenses. I'm not sure how this would dilute Dublin's advantage?
Yep, that's exactly the point.
The richest county in the GAA is also the nearest one to being cost neutral on expenses.
This particular circumstantial advantage can easily be balanced out.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 07, 2017, 11:51:31 AM
I would go further that all expenses must be individually explained directly. What the managers expenses are, players, open the whole book on all counties, overseen by Croke Park and properly audited.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2017, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 07, 2017, 11:51:31 AM
I would go further that all expenses must be individually explained directly. What the managers expenses are, players, open the whole book on all counties, overseen by Croke Park and properly audited.

I imagine that the expenses you are alluding to - the ones not quite in line with the GAA's rules - come straight out of the sponsor's bank account and never actually go to the county board. So opening the books probably won't make much difference on that front.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on December 07, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 07, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
I misconstrued your original post. Got it now! Decent idea if travel expenses are taken out of CBs hands and paid by Croke Park.

I think there is a plan in place whereby the actual mileage for intercounty players is going to be administered by Croke Park next year, but the county boards will be reimbursing Croke Park.

I've a notion this came about as a result of GPA lobbying because some of the county boards were constantly having issues with how timely they were in reimbursing intercounty players and there being differences in how the different codes were being treated in the same counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoaremagic on December 15, 2017, 10:59:52 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 05, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
In 10 years time when people ask when did GAA inter-county football die and is it only Kerry and Dublin that take it serious anymore, I shall point them to this thread.

Well, not really the truth is it? They could put a motion to congress and vote. 31 counties worth of votes. And it would be all your own doing.

If Dublin fans were any ways clued in, they would see that the power in the gaa isn't in Dublin, but rather in the group. If you keep isolating yourself and refusing to give an inch to anyone else, you will pretty soon find yourself on the wrong side of a huge majority.

In truth, the Dubs would be much better served giving an inch here and there on things that aren't going to make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things...

The latest whining about Michael O'Donoghue (who took a team of alsorans and won literally everything), getting an award over Jim Gavin (who with a team who had won 4 AI in 5 years, won an all Ireland) for achievements in the last 12 months, would be the latest example of why the Dubs could very well end up sickening everyone into taking away their funding.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 15, 2017, 11:04:51 AM
Costello's report to their convention was some whinge fest!!!
They all hate us boo hoo hoo.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on December 15, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 15, 2017, 11:04:51 AM
Costello's report to their convention was some whinge fest!!!
They all hate us boo hoo hoo.....
And written like a petulant teenager as well. The persecution complex is alive and well in the DCB.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 01:59:31 PM
Everyone hates them but they do the sum total of nothing to gang up and check Dublin's advantages at congress. It feels like fighting for gun laws in the US.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/279324 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/279324)

Dubs disclose eye-watering commercial income


December 19, 2017


Dublin GAA generated a massive €1.62m in commercial revenue during the course of 2017.

Accounts released at last night's Convention showed that commercial income was up by €130k from the previous year. Between main sponsor AIG and partnerships forged with no fewer than twelve other commercial brands, €1,462,529 was generated in addition to the €175,000 that every county receives from the GAA's central commercial revenue pot.

Compare this to Leitrim's successful but much more modest financial year: last week, Leitrim treasurer Martin McCartin revealed that nine new sponsors had been brought on board, resulting in commercial revenue rising from €92,642 in 2016 to €122,455.

Dublin's team expenditure of €1,604,353 (up by €90,000) was wiped out by the commercial income. Overall income for the year was €4,481,063 and expenditure was €4,364,154.

The Dublin GAA brand has become a marketing juggernaut since Tomas Quinn become their full-time marketing manager in 2014 and the financial success has been mirrored on the field of play, Their latest jaw-dropping figures are sure to be the envy of every other county in Ireland.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html


€1.6m from sponsors offsets rising costs of Dublin teams




December 19 2017 2:30 AM


Dublin GAA generated more than €1.6m in commercial revenue in 2017, a hike of €130,000 that comfortably cancelled out a similar figure spent on the preparation of inter-county teams.

The commercial revenue figure contains the standard €175,000 distributed to all counties for their share of central commercial and media revenues.

Dublin's main sponsor is AIG but they have entered into partnerships with 12 other brands, allowing them to increase their overall take to €1,462,529.

A modest fundraising return of €54,997 was also recorded in accounts presented to the Dublin convention last night.

Team expenditure climbed by €90,000 to €1,604,353, second only to Cork who have spent over €1.74m.

Their share of the national league pot is €461,943, courtesy of their home league games and a league football final against Kerry.

Dublin's overall income was €4,481,063 with expenditure of €4,364,154.

Meanwhile, Limerick GAA had an operating deficit of €43,000 for the year as their team expenses rocketed by €250,000, despite the early exits of their footballers and hurlers.

The success of the U-21 hurlers, winning an All-Ireland title for the second time in three years, is incorporated into that figure.

The alarming figures were revealed at the weekend convention by outgoing treasurer Donal Morrissey who claimed he was excluded from the decision-making process with regard to financial matters.

Some €1,262,535 was spent on preparing all inter-county teams from U-17 to senior in hurling and football up from €997,418 in 2016. That included management costs of €270,000.


The sharp rise is in keeping with figures across the country that will see the overall expenditure on inter-county teams climb from €23,315,284 in 2016.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 19, 2017, 05:36:31 PM
But but but Kieran McGeeney was paid a fortune during his time in Kildare. Cos Anto down the pub said so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

They are trying to pretend they are Dublin. But they don't have the sugar Daddies!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2017, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

They are trying to pretend they are Dublin. But they don't have the sugar Daddies!

They have JP McManus!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 20, 2017, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2017, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

They are trying to pretend they are Dublin. But they don't have the sugar Daddies!

They have JP McManus!

Exactly .

Cork and Mayo have spent more on preparing their senior football teams than Dublin the last 2 years.

Anyway, enjoy Christmas lads and a special treat on Christmas eve on EIR sport called Dublin's day, not sure the Mayo lads will watch it but enjoy.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 20, 2017, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 20, 2017, 08:10:42 AM






Cork and Mayo have spent more on preparing their senior football teams than Dublin the last 2 years.



Rubbish! Dublin spend far more than Mayo on Preparing their Senior Football team! Most of Mayo's cost goes on travel expenses! All the Dublin players live, train and play the League final and all their Championship games in Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 20, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
The gravy train of the SPECIAL county.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/partners (https://www.dublingaa.ie/partners)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 20, 2017, 02:59:47 PM
Question: What has Bernard Brogan Scored for Dublin Seniors in his career in the Championship away from home?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 20, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html


€1.6m from sponsors offsets rising costs of Dublin teams




December 19 2017 2:30 AM


Dublin GAA generated more than €1.6m in commercial revenue in 2017, a hike of €130,000 that comfortably cancelled out a similar figure spent on the preparation of inter-county teams.

The commercial revenue figure contains the standard €175,000 distributed to all counties for their share of central commercial and media revenues.

Dublin's main sponsor is AIG but they have entered into partnerships with 12 other brands, allowing them to increase their overall take to €1,462,529.

A modest fundraising return of €54,997 was also recorded in accounts presented to the Dublin convention last night.

Team expenditure climbed by €90,000 to €1,604,353, second only to Cork who have spent over €1.74m.

Their share of the national league pot is €461,943, courtesy of their home league games and a league football final against Kerry.

Dublin's overall income was €4,481,063 with expenditure of €4,364,154.

Meanwhile, Limerick GAA had an operating deficit of €43,000 for the year as their team expenses rocketed by €250,000, despite the early exits of their footballers and hurlers.

The success of the U-21 hurlers, winning an All-Ireland title for the second time in three years, is incorporated into that figure.

The alarming figures were revealed at the weekend convention by outgoing treasurer Donal Morrissey who claimed he was excluded from the decision-making process with regard to financial matters.

Some €1,262,535 was spent on preparing all inter-county teams from U-17 to senior in hurling and football up from €997,418 in 2016. That included management costs of €270,000.


The sharp rise is in keeping with figures across the country that will see the overall expenditure on inter-county teams climb from €23,315,284 in 2016.
so, hold on. Dublin only had to 'fundraise' €54,000 for the year
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 20, 2017, 06:01:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 20, 2017, 02:57:43 PM
The gravy train of the SPECIAL county.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/partners (https://www.dublingaa.ie/partners)

Does the expenditure include Jim Gavins wages? Or is that hidden elsewhere?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on December 20, 2017, 07:23:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2017, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

They are trying to pretend they are Dublin. But they don't have the sugar Daddies!

They have JP McManus!

The ultimate sugar daddy
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on December 20, 2017, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 20, 2017, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2017, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

They are trying to pretend they are Dublin. But they don't have the sugar Daddies!

They have JP McManus!

Exactly .

Cork and Mayo have spent more on preparing their senior football teams than Dublin the last 2 years.

Anyway, enjoy Christmas lads and a special treat on Christmas eve on EIR sport called Dublin's day, not sure the Mayo lads will watch it but enjoy.

cork??? no chance
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 20, 2017, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 20, 2017, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2017, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 19, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 19, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 03:26:56 PM
What a rotten sport this is.

Yeah I know, what are Limerick playing at.

They are trying to pretend they are Dublin. But they don't have the sugar Daddies!

They have JP McManus!

Exactly .

Cork and Mayo have spent more on preparing their senior football teams than Dublin the last 2 years.

Anyway, enjoy Christmas lads and a special treat on Christmas eve on EIR sport called Dublin's day, not sure the Mayo lads will watch it but enjoy.
Dunno much about Cork or what they spent on anything but Mayo certainly did not spend what Dublin did last year.
Dublin's spend on the senior team was €1.6m or thereabouts, going by figures reported here.
Mayo also spent in the region of €1.6m but that was for all teams at all levels, hurlers included. Another thing, with 10 of the panel living in Dublin, travelling costs were and always will be a huge percentage of Mayo's costs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on December 20, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)

Check page 7...
€1,123,995 spend on Mayo senior team preparation. €440,508 of this was travel.

As per last year, i have been unable to find a similar audit report of Dublin's accounts. Why ?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on December 20, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
There is definitely some anomaly with Dublin only accounting €54k in fundraising. According to the Examiner they took in roughly €40k in one morning's breakfast so that leaves just €14k raised in the rest of the year. I suppose we should be thankful they are so lazy when it comes to this stream of revenue as they have more than enough as it is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on December 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on December 20, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
There is definitely some anomaly with Dublin only accounting €54k in fundraising. According to the Examiner they took in roughly €40k in one morning's breakfast so that leaves just €14k raised in the rest of the year. I suppose we should be thankful they are so lazy when it comes to this stream of revenue as they have more than enough as it is.

You're naive as a newborn if you think they correctly accounted that figure.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on December 20, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
So are you saying it is a possibility that they have even more money that they are not declaring? What could possibly be the reason for not declaring money raised? Could it be that they don't want people finding out what they spend some money on? Apologies if I am naive.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on December 20, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on December 20, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
So are you saying it is a possibility that they have even more money that they are not declaring? What could possibly be the reason for not declaring money raised? Could it be that they don't want people finding out what they spend some money on? Apologies if I am naive.

Most counties' reported accounts are a crock of shît and use all sorts of insane tricks to make them appear as they wish them to. We reported a surplus this year, for example, but we also got an advance on grant money due next year that totally sckews the figures.

It suits Dublin very well to under-report what they've fundraised.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 21, 2017, 07:44:16 AM
It might skew the figures but it's not a fabrication syferus so not sure you've proved anything with the Roscommon example.

The fundraising figure in Dublin's accounts should be followed up on by the national press as it doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 21, 2017, 09:35:29 AM
"National press"
They're all Dublin fanzines FFS!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on December 21, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

Aye, including the 1.3 million they receive from the GAA directly. Fair play to them :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 21, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

Of course they don't have to fund raise. Sure ye have access to the GOLDEN GOOSES to lay the golden eggs.


Anyway, you have gone all quiet, with no reply's to Cork and Mayo spending more on preparation of their respective  teams?

As for Eir Sport! Don't have it and I've better thing to be doing on Christmas eve.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 21, 2017, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 21, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

Of course they don't have to fund raise. Sure ye have access to the GOLDEN GOOSES to lay the golden eggs.


Anyway, you have gone all quiet, with no reply's to Cork and Mayo spending more on preparation of their respective  teams?

As for Eir Sport! Don't have it and I've better thing to be doing on Christmas eve.

Don't expect an answer to that anytime soon.

I queried his McGeeney assertion and he disappeared for weeks. Then he claimed he never saw my question. But Anton down the pub can back up his claims.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on December 22, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

All i want is to see a link to the published Dublin accounts.
Here is the latest Mayo one (page 7 showing the best summary)... http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)

Why do Dublin not publish there's? Or if they do, then i'd be much  obliged if you could add the link to this discussion thread
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 22, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 22, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

All i want is to see a link to the published Dublin accounts.
Here is the latest Mayo one (page 7 showing the best summary)... http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)

Why do Dublin not publish there's? Or if they do, then i'd be much  obliged if you could add the link to this discussion thread

http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

There's 2016 for you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 23, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 22, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 22, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

All i want is to see a link to the published Dublin accounts.
Here is the latest Mayo one (page 7 showing the best summary)... http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)

Why do Dublin not publish there's? Or if they do, then i'd be much  obliged if you could add the link to this discussion thread

http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

There's 2016 for you.

Well they're consistent about not doing much fundraising anyway, it's a good thing most in the GAA have been a little more proactive historically or Gaelic games never would have got off the ground at all.

I believe it might be different at Dublin club level though in fairness but incredible to see how lazy the county board have been with fundraising.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 23, 2017, 10:49:08 AM
Sure they don't have to.
Free use of a National Stadium, buckets of money from Central GAA, multi National sponsorship, players live no more than a €5 bus/tram/train ride away.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 23, 2017, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 23, 2017, 10:49:08 AM
Sure they don't have to.
Free use of a National Stadium, buckets of money from Central GAA, multi National sponsorship, players live no more than a €5 bus/tram/train ride away.....
They needn't spend a fiver. They can all drive there in a top of the range 172 Subaru, supplied free of charge by a "Partner."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 23, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Ah, sure that's the way it's gone! The anomalies, grow and grow! Most of the top referees live and work in Dublin. Most of the people who work in Croke Park doing administration are Dubs. The administrators for most grant schemes are Dubs. The national Medias are based in Dublin. We are stuck with this because Dublin is the only economically promoted center in Ireland.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 23, 2017, 02:56:08 PM
So to spell out the figures from the reports published here.

Dublin from 2015 to 2017 fundraised 161k
Mayo for just 2016 and 2017 earned 1.761 million in fundraised.

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the Dublin county board are extremely lazy when it comes to increasing revenue and rely on handouts from the GAA and easy money that no other county could access from their commercial partners.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on December 24, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
And if they'd done more fundraising, you'd all be on here giving out about how much worse that made the imbalance.   

Yiz are hilarious lads. 

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 24, 2017, 07:56:23 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 24, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
And if they'd done more fundraising, you'd all be on here giving out about how much worse that made the imbalance.   

Yiz are hilarious lads.

So you are happy to sit on your hands when it comes to the imbalance?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on December 24, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 22, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 22, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

All i want is to see a link to the published Dublin accounts.
Here is the latest Mayo one (page 7 showing the best summary)... http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)

Why do Dublin not publish there's? Or if they do, then i'd be much  obliged if you could add the link to this discussion thread

http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

There's 2016 for you.

Well they're consistent about not doing much fundraising anyway, it's a good thing most in the GAA have been a little more proactive historically or Gaelic games never would have got off the ground at all.

I believe it might be different at Dublin club level though in fairness but incredible to see how lazy the county board have been with fundraising.

Thanks.
A few things stand out and are interesting:

- I can't see what was spent on the senior team. I see "team administration" expenses at €1.5M. How much of this is on senior footballers and why no breakdown like MAyo ones for example .... medical, transport, etc ?
- Maintenance and upkeep of grounds cost ~€9,000 per week. And yet O'Toole Park, Braemore Park and Parnell Park are the only grounds listed. It does though list "club grounds" .... does the county board pay for the upkeep of club grounds ?
- Administration expenses are listed at ~€21K per week (~€1.126 million) ... this is the standout for me. Presuming the 1.5 million in 1st point takes care of all team expenses, then how the blazes can there then be an additional need for 21K administration expenses ????
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 24, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: blast05 on December 24, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 22, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: blast05 on December 22, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 21, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
Hilarious reading the reply's. Rename the thread to the crying game.

One point though, perhaps Dublin don't need to fundraise due to other income streams........... Most logical explanation.

Again, reminder, EIR Sport on Christmas eve, Dublins say, enjoy gentlemen.

All i want is to see a link to the published Dublin accounts.
Here is the latest Mayo one (page 7 showing the best summary)... http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)

Why do Dublin not publish there's? Or if they do, then i'd be much  obliged if you could add the link to this discussion thread

http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/dublin-county-board-accounts-2016/view

There's 2016 for you.

Well they're consistent about not doing much fundraising anyway, it's a good thing most in the GAA have been a little more proactive historically or Gaelic games never would have got off the ground at all.

I believe it might be different at Dublin club level though in fairness but incredible to see how lazy the county board have been with fundraising.

Thanks.
A few things stand out and are interesting:

- I can't see what was spent on the senior team. I see "team administration" expenses at €1.5M. How much of this is on senior footballers and why no breakdown like MAyo ones for example .... medical, transport, etc ?
- Maintenance and upkeep of grounds cost ~€9,000 per week. And yet O'Toole Park, Braemore Park and Parnell Park are the only grounds listed. It does though list "club grounds" .... does the county board pay for the upkeep of club grounds ?
- Administration expenses are listed at ~€21K per week (~€1.126 million) ... this is the standout for me. Presuming the 1.5 million in 1st point takes care of all team expenses, then how the blazes can there then be an additional need for 21K administration expenses ????

It is itemized if you scroll to the very end.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on December 24, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
What fundraisers do dublin actually do throughout the year, I know of dubs at the dogs that goes towards their holiday fund but anything else thats public and people know about? I never hear of them doing anything in america in the same way kerry do and make a fortune from that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cunny Funt on December 24, 2017, 02:35:46 PM
With 1.6 million in sponsorship money coming in is their much need for funrasing? does anyone have a link to what sponsorship money Dublin were receiving before 2011?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on December 24, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on December 24, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
What fundraisers do dublin actually do throughout the year, I know of dubs at the dogs that goes towards their holiday fund but anything else thats public and people know about? I never hear of them doing anything in america in the same way kerry do and make a fortune from that?

Did they not have a big all Ireland breakfast or something?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on December 25, 2017, 06:41:18 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-smash-records-for-revenue-and-intercounty-team-costs-26803802.html

Link as requested
Revenue in the article- Revenue in 2011, 800k rise from the year before (2010)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 03, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Wrote something about the topic in question having gone through Dublin's, Mayo's and Cork's finances for 2015,2016 and a bit of what was available on 2017.

https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/dublin-gaa-finances-under-the-microscope/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 04, 2018, 11:13:44 AM
Quote from: caprea on January 03, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Wrote something about the topic in question having gone through Dublin's, Mayo's and Cork's finances for 2015,2016 and a bit of what was available on 2017.

https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/dublin-gaa-finances-under-the-microscope/

Interesting, so many questions yet so few answers forthcoming. Dublin's footballer's backroom don't come cheap. Dublin's hurler's management and backroom don't come cheap. Probably not much change out of 1.5m which could explain the admin costs. Ideal speculation of course.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 04, 2018, 06:27:51 PM
I see the Dublin Ladies got to play 4 times (as double headers) in Croke Park last year! No harm to gain more experience on the main stage!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 04, 2018, 06:32:24 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 24, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
And if they'd done more fundraising, you'd all be on here giving out about how much worse that made the imbalance.   

Yiz are hilarious lads.

Yes, of course we would. This is a lesson for us all in hand-outs!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Avondhu star on January 04, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 04, 2018, 11:13:44 AM
Quote from: caprea on January 03, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Wrote something about the topic in question having gone through Dublin's, Mayo's and Cork's finances for 2015,2016 and a bit of what was available on 2017.

https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/dublin-gaa-finances-under-the-microscope/

Interesting, so many questions yet so few answers forthcoming. Dublin's footballer's backroom don't come cheap. Dublin's hurler's management and backroom don't come cheap. Probably not much change out of 1.5m which could explain the admin costs. Ideal speculation of course.
The Irish Examiner of 6.12.17 reported that training of all county teams amou ted to 1.74 million.
Not much difference from Dublin there. I accept that they are a dual county team with realistic hopes each year of giving a good run at Senior u21 and minor.
If counties like Kildare and Meath got their act together there is plenty money around for them. Laois Sligo etc can whistle for dixie
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 04, 2018, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on January 04, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Laois Sligo etc can whistle for dixie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNtMpPFM7M0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNtMpPFM7M0)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on January 04, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 24, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on December 24, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
What fundraisers do dublin actually do throughout the year, I know of dubs at the dogs that goes towards their holiday fund but anything else thats public and people know about? I never hear of them doing anything in america in the same way kerry do and make a fortune from that?

Did they not have a big all Ireland breakfast or something?
For fundraising they win All Irelands, the rest follows.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 07, 2018, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 04, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 24, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on December 24, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
What fundraisers do dublin actually do throughout the year, I know of dubs at the dogs that goes towards their holiday fund but anything else thats public and people know about? I never hear of them doing anything in america in the same way kerry do and make a fortune from that?

Did they not have a big all Ireland breakfast or something?
For fundraising they win All Irelands, the rest follows.

Their biggest revenue stream is SRC development grants so no, you're wrong.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?

Ask them - info@hill16.ie

How many club members in St Galls were involved with the IRA or other paramilitaries or involved in other illegal activity?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on January 07, 2018, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 04, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 24, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on December 24, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
What fundraisers do dublin actually do throughout the year, I know of dubs at the dogs that goes towards their holiday fund but anything else thats public and people know about? I never hear of them doing anything in america in the same way kerry do and make a fortune from that?

Did they not have a big all Ireland breakfast or something?
For fundraising they win All Irelands, the rest follows.

Their biggest revenue stream is SRC development grants so no, you're wrong.

Fake news.

Are people on this site actually really stupid or what. Its very very simple. They don't need to fundraise, see their sponsorship deals and attendance numbers etc.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?

Ask them - info@hill16.ie

How many club members in St Galls were involved with the IRA or other paramilitaries or involved in other illegal activity?

What's wrong with having being involved with the IRA?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 08, 2018, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on January 07, 2018, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 04, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 24, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: tippabu on December 24, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
What fundraisers do dublin actually do throughout the year, I know of dubs at the dogs that goes towards their holiday fund but anything else thats public and people know about? I never hear of them doing anything in america in the same way kerry do and make a fortune from that?

Did they not have a big all Ireland breakfast or something?
For fundraising they win All Irelands, the rest follows.

Their biggest revenue stream is SRC development grants so no, you're wrong.

Fake news.

Are people on this site actually really stupid or what. Its very very simple. They don't need to fundraise, see their sponsorship deals and attendance numbers etc.

Donald Trump also thinks other people are stupid.

Go figure.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?

Ask them - info@hill16.ie

How many club members in St Galls were involved with the IRA or other paramilitaries or involved in other illegal activity?

What's wrong with having being involved with the IRA?
More than 1,000 innocent civilians killed
How many more badly injured, traumatised etc

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?

Ask them - info@hill16.ie

How many club members in St Galls were involved with the IRA or other paramilitaries or involved in other illegal activity?

What's wrong with having being involved with the IRA?
More than 1,000 innocent civilians killed
How many more badly injured, traumatised etc

Is that the Easter Rising, War of Independece, Irish Civil War of The Troubles you refer to?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rosnarun on January 08, 2018, 10:50:01 AM
how many safe houses in Roscommon for people with  asthma?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?

Ask them - info@hill16.ie

How many club members in St Galls were involved with the IRA or other paramilitaries or involved in other illegal activity?

What's wrong with having being involved with the IRA?
More than 1,000 innocent civilians killed
How many more badly injured, traumatised etc

Is that the Easter Rising, War of Independece, Irish Civil War of The Troubles you refer to?
I refer to your heroes - the Provo IRA as you know right well.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 08, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 07, 2018, 01:03:46 AM
Anyone know how many of the Dublin squad claim to suffer from asthma?

Ask them - info@hill16.ie

How many club members in St Galls were involved with the IRA or other paramilitaries or involved in other illegal activity?

What's wrong with having being involved with the IRA?
More than 1,000 innocent civilians killed
How many more badly injured, traumatised etc

Is that the Easter Rising, War of Independece, Irish Civil War of The Troubles you refer to?
I refer to your heroes - the Provo IRA as you know right well.

Odd that you only focus on that organisation and not the gun men and murderers who have presided over your state since its inception.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 08, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Motion to rename thread: Money, Dublin, The GAA, Asthma & The Provos.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 08, 2018, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 08, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Motion to rename thread: Money, Dublin, The GAA, Asthma & The Provos.

;D

seconded
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)

Just noting the odd nature of your response.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 08, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)

Just noting the odd nature of your response.

How did you not note the nature of the question in the first place?

Absolutely ridiculous question to ask on a GAA forum. And he has the cheek to claim other people on here are stupid.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: mup on January 08, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)

Just noting the odd nature of your response.

How did you not note the nature of the question in the first place?

Absolutely ridiculous question to ask on a GAA forum. And he has the cheek to claim other people on here are stupid.

I think you need to get your facts straight. I didn't bring the IRA into it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 08, 2018, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: mup on January 08, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)

Just noting the odd nature of your response.

How did you not note the nature of the question in the first place?

Absolutely ridiculous question to ask on a GAA forum. And he has the cheek to claim other people on here are stupid.

I think you need to get your facts straight. I didn't bring the IRA into it.

I have my facts straight. I wasn't talking about you. I simply asked why you didn't question the person that did.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: mup on January 08, 2018, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: mup on January 08, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)

Just noting the odd nature of your response.

How did you not note the nature of the question in the first place?

Absolutely ridiculous question to ask on a GAA forum. And he has the cheek to claim other people on here are stupid.

I think you need to get your facts straight. I didn't bring the IRA into it.

I have my facts straight. I wasn't talking about you. I simply asked why you didn't question the person that did.

I asked him what was wrong with it, he never responded it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 09, 2018, 07:37:10 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: mup on January 08, 2018, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: mup on January 08, 2018, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 08, 2018, 02:02:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Was just replying to your question ;)

Just noting the odd nature of your response.

How did you not note the nature of the question in the first place?

Absolutely ridiculous question to ask on a GAA forum. And he has the cheek to claim other people on here are stupid.

I think you need to get your facts straight. I didn't bring the IRA into it.

I have my facts straight. I wasn't talking about you. I simply asked why you didn't question the person that did.

I asked him what was wrong with it, he never responded it.

You did. Apologies.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 12, 2018, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Well done Dublin, Dublin GAA does not exist to subsidise other counties who massively mismanaged their finance and funding for years.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on January 12, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

why didn't they just leave them and buy another pile? A drop in the ocean. Which part of not having a 'proprietary claim' wasn't understood?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Dublin are the national equivalent of Il Bomber on the Shinner thread. No perspective at all.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 12, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
They must have no "Official Gym Partner".
Maybe they could push the free cars around the car park😆😀😁😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 12, 2018, 05:22:22 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 12, 2018, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Well done Dublin, Dublin GAA does not exist to subsidise other counties who massively mismanaged their finance and funding for years.
or the 31 other counties who financed this centre
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 12, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 12, 2018, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Well done Dublin, Dublin GAA does not exist to subsidise other counties who massively mismanaged their finance and funding for years.

Dublin's biggest source of income is development grants (around 2.5 million). They take in more than a million from that source than commercial income every year.

I wouldn't say the GAA subsidies Dublin but they certainly support them to the same extent that they support whole provinces.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2018, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 12, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 12, 2018, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Well done Dublin, Dublin GAA does not exist to subsidise other counties who massively mismanaged their finance and funding for years.

Dublin's biggest source of income is development grants (around 2.5 million). They take in more than a million from that source than commercial income every year.

I wouldn't say the GAA subsidies Dublin but they certainly support them to the same extent that they support whole provinces.

If you think Connacht is even getting a per capita amount of the grant money Dublin gets I want some of the ganja you're smoking.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 12, 2018, 07:33:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 12, 2018, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 12, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 12, 2018, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 12, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Toys out of the pram, eh?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)

Well done Dublin, Dublin GAA does not exist to subsidise other counties who massively mismanaged their finance and funding for years.

Dublin's biggest source of income is development grants (around 2.5 million). They take in more than a million from that source than commercial income every year.

I wouldn't say the GAA subsidies Dublin but they certainly support them to the same extent that they support whole provinces.

If you think Connacht is even getting a per capita amount of the grant money Dublin gets I want some of the ganja you're smoking.

True
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: slippery dodger on January 12, 2018, 09:37:06 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/comments/7pzox5/the_dublin_gaa_gym_gear_in_abbottstown_fiasco/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 13, 2018, 02:59:41 AM
Quote from: slippery dodger on January 12, 2018, 09:37:06 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/comments/7pzox5/the_dublin_gaa_gym_gear_in_abbottstown_fiasco/

Jez, that was the most painful couple of minutes of my life. Two Lads chatting about an article and no research done! Car crash online TV!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2018, 03:18:59 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 13, 2018, 02:59:41 AM
Quote from: slippery dodger on January 12, 2018, 09:37:06 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/comments/7pzox5/the_dublin_gaa_gym_gear_in_abbottstown_fiasco/

Jez, that was the most painful couple of minutes of my life. Two Lads chatting about an article and no research done! Car crash online TV!

It's amazing the zealotry on display in even sunshine supporters' circles in Dublin. How can they not realise they are rapidly destroying the very competitions they covet so dearly?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 13, 2018, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 13, 2018, 03:18:59 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 13, 2018, 02:59:41 AM
Quote from: slippery dodger on January 12, 2018, 09:37:06 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/comments/7pzox5/the_dublin_gaa_gym_gear_in_abbottstown_fiasco/

Jez, that was the most painful couple of minutes of my life. Two Lads chatting about an article and no research done! Car crash online TV!

It's amazing the zealotry on display in even sunshine supporters' circles in Dublin. How can they not realise they are rapidly destroying the very competitions they covet so dearly?

I looked it up and zealotry is an actual word. Well done you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 26, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mckenna-praic-duffy-and-the-gaa-have-made-dublin-a-financially-doped-outfit-and-there-is-no-defence-for-this-scandal-36530924.html

Hard to argue with any of Ewan's points here. Even if he is anti Dub.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
12 hour later and not a defensive word from a Dub. Not a word! ''The Greatest'', ''Hound'', ''Zulu'' et al all hiding, looking through their fingers!

Financial DOPING Lads!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 27, 2018, 08:14:54 AM
I have been beating this drum for at least 5 years, nobodies listening because nobody wants to believe. And it's not helped by gobshites in the media such as the O'Shea brothers who think teams just have to work harder to bridge the gap. They talk about cycles :-

12 of the last 13 Leinster Titles, and the one game they lost was a freak 5 goals to Meath best record before that was 13 in 18 years a 100 years ago even the fabled era of the 70s they only managed 6.

This was the most pertinent quote of the week for me, this is ladies football she was speaking about

"Dublin were just way better than us... They were a lot more professional." Kerry's Aislinn Desmond is speaking to #OTBAM

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 27, 2018, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 27, 2018, 08:14:54 AM
I have been beating this drum for at least 5 years, nobodies listening because nobody wants to believe. And it's not helped by gobshites in the media such as the O'Shea brothers who think teams just have to work harder to bridge the gap. They talk about cycles :-

12 of the last 13 Leinster Titles, and the one game they lost was a freak 5 goals to Meath best record before that was 13 in 18 years a 100 years ago even the fabled era of the 70s they only managed 6.

This was the most pertinent quote of the week for me, this is ladies football she was speaking about

"Dublin were just way better than us... They were a lot more professional." Kerry's Aislinn Desmond is speaking to #OTBAM


Yes the cycle has began with Ladies game with Dublin playing double headers, which means more access to Croke Park. And greater familiarity of the pitch on AI day!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 27, 2018, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: mup on January 26, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ewan-mckenna-praic-duffy-and-the-gaa-have-made-dublin-a-financially-doped-outfit-and-there-is-no-defence-for-this-scandal-36530924.html

Hard to argue with any of Ewan's points here. Even if he is anti Dub.

The funny thing is ewan might be understating the amount Dublin get. On Dublin's own accounts it's 2.77 million they get in 2016 in development funds. Ewan cites 1.4 million from the GAAs accounts but it seems to be double that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
12 hour later and not a defensive word from a Dub. Not a word! ''The Greatest'', ''Hound'', ''Zulu'' et al all hiding, looking through their fingers!

Financial DOPING Lads!

**** Fake News Alert ****

Ah Spewn's (Frank Grimes) hack job that he gets paid to write, taken directly from an article he wrote for the business post on multiple occasions at this stage, he obsessed and he's plain wrong and spouting lies.

Dublin hurlers have benefited from the same coaching structure as the footballers, no All Irelands. Its not allocated per registered player, that's a stupid ignorant argument. Not all School children are registered members of clubs.

Anyway, been here before , Wolves do not concern themselves with the crying of sheep.

And while they cry, the hard work will continue.

Its funny, you never hear this being talked about from Kerry or Tyrone, just the usual suspect counties who already have weak mentalities.





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 29, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
Deflect deflect deflect........

There are none so blind as those who can't see.

Personally I can't wait for 10 years time.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: mup on January 29, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
Deflect deflect deflect........

There are none so blind as those who can't see.

Personally I can't wait for 10 years time.

Still following me around id see, obsessed, I wouldn't be surprised if you were Ewan.

What happens in 10 years?  Think Kildare, Meath and Dublin will be top 5 or 6 in 10 Years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 29, 2018, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: mup on January 29, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
Deflect deflect deflect........

There are none so blind as those who can't see.

Personally I can't wait for 10 years time.

Still following me around id see, obsessed, I wouldn't be surprised if you were Ewan.

What happens in 10 years?  Think Kildare, Meath and Dublin will be top 5 or 6 in 10 Years.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were 14 years old.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 29, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
12 hour later and not a defensive word from a Dub. Not a word! ''The Greatest'', ''Hound'', ''Zulu'' et al all hiding, looking through their fingers!

Financial DOPING Lads!

**** Fake News Alert ****

Ah Spewn's (Frank Grimes) hack job that he gets paid to write, taken directly from an article he wrote for the business post on multiple occasions at this stage, he obsessed and he's plain wrong and spouting lies.

Dublin hurlers have benefited from the same coaching structure as the footballers, no All Irelands. Its not allocated per registered player, that's a stupid ignorant argument. Not all School children are registered members of clubs.


Anyway, been here before , Wolves do not concern themselves with the crying of sheep.

And while they cry, the hard work will continue.

Its funny, you never hear this being talked about from Kerry or Tyrone, just the usual suspect counties who already have weak mentalities.

Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 03:48:22 PM
Christ do people only gauge success in All-Irelands

As for hurling. seriously

5 Leinster Minors and 3 runners-up in the last 12 years. Prior to that it was 1 in 40 years.

4 Leinster u21s since 2007 and 2 runners up. Prior to that you have to go back to 1972.

1 Senior Leinster Title in 2013, 1st in 50 odd years.  They even won the National League for the 1st time 70 years in 2011.

The hurling success is not measured in All-Irelands but from where they were before Bertie's cash intervention supplemented by GAA money to now, is miles apart.

I will refrain from calling you ignorant but are being deliberately obtuse as is every Dublin poster, the head in the sand stuff is mildly amusing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 29, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
12 hour later and not a defensive word from a Dub. Not a word! ''The Greatest'', ''Hound'', ''Zulu'' et al all hiding, looking through their fingers!

Financial DOPING Lads!

**** Fake News Alert ****

Ah Spewn's (Frank Grimes) hack job that he gets paid to write, taken directly from an article he wrote for the business post on multiple occasions at this stage, he obsessed and he's plain wrong and spouting lies.

Dublin hurlers have benefited from the same coaching structure as the footballers, no All Irelands. Its not allocated per registered player, that's a stupid ignorant argument. Not all School children are registered members of clubs.


Anyway, been here before , Wolves do not concern themselves with the crying of sheep.

And while they cry, the hard work will continue.

Its funny, you never hear this being talked about from Kerry or Tyrone, just the usual suspect counties who already have weak mentalities.

Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 03:48:22 PM
Christ do people only gauge success in All-Irelands

As for hurling. seriously

5 Leinster Minors and 3 runners-up in the last 12 years. Prior to that it was 1 in 40 years.

4 Leinster u21s since 2007 and 2 runners up. Prior to that you have to go back to 1972.

1 Senior Leinster Title in 2013, 1st in 50 odd years.  They even won the National League for the 1st time 70 years in 2011.

The hurling success is not measured in All-Irelands but from where they were before Bertie's cash intervention supplemented by GAA money to now, is miles apart.

I will refrain from calling you ignorant but are being deliberately obtuse as is every Dublin poster, the head in the sand stuff is mildly amusing.

Mildly, I find it hilarious, you are all so serious.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 11:11:25 AM
Another few years and the averge Inter County playing career will be 3 years for 27 or 28 Counties.
Longford manager talking after yesterday's big win said the NFL us where it's at as far as teams like Longford are concerned.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 11:11:25 AM
Another few years and the averge Inter County playing career will be 3 years for 27 or 28 Counties.
Longford manager talking after yesterday's big win said the NFL us where it's at as far as teams like Longford are concerned.

Absolutely, the league is fantastic and much better than a lot of provincial matches , a great weekend of sport just gone by, this is what championship should be all about.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 29, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
Were you at the Kildare game Greatest?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2018, 11:11:25 AM
Another few years and the averge Inter County playing career will be 3 years for 27 or 28 Counties.
Longford manager talking after yesterday's big win said the NFL us where it's at as far as teams like Longford are concerned.

Absolutely, the league is fantastic and much better than a lot of provincial matches , a great weekend of sport just gone by, this is what championship should be all about.

So you're being as obnoxious about Longford's 'place' as you are Kildare's. Could you tell us all where every other county's 'place' is please oh 'Greatest' one?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 29, 2018, 10:04:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2018, 11:53:09 AM
Were you at the Kildare game Greatest?

WUMs don't actually support the county they pretend to be from.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 30, 2018, 07:43:13 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: mup on January 29, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
Deflect deflect deflect........

There are none so blind as those who can't see.

Personally I can't wait for 10 years time.

Still following me around id see, obsessed, I wouldn't be surprised if you were Ewan.

What happens in 10 years?  Think Kildare, Meath and Dublin will be top 5 or 6 in 10 Years.

:D :D :D

Far too obvious a WUM.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
where did Dublin move all their gym equipment to?
just wondering.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 30, 2018, 08:19:27 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
where did Dublin move all their gym equipment to?
just wondering.

Their dressing room in Croke Park most likely.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 30, 2018, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
where did Dublin move all their gym equipment to?
just wondering.

Building a new Gym in Parnell park is the word.

Its become tiresome acting like a charity to some of the other counties who mismanage their finances.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
I would be no fan of Ewan MacKenna but the abuse he is getting on-line from the Dublin Zealots is ridiculous.

Anyhow between MacKenna, Colm O'Rourke, Off The Ball and now the more subtle Malachy Clerkin (2 of his most recent articles in the Irish Times have been about the amount of inter-county players not based in their home counties (Dublin Footballers and Galway Hurlers had none) and the home advantage that Croke Park gives Dublin) there is a bit more focus on the financial doping of Dublin. Still can't believe one of the zealots argued that playing at home is a disadvantage to Dublin because teams are more up for it  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 30, 2018, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
where did Dublin move all their gym equipment to?
just wondering.

Building a new Gym in Parnell park is the word.

Its become tiresome acting like a charity to some of the other counties who mismanage their finances.

If Dublin are so good at managing their finances why do they have a shit-hole for a "Home Ground", no Center of Excellence and require millions from the Government and the GAA to fund their games development?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 30, 2018, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 30, 2018, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
where did Dublin move all their gym equipment to?
just wondering.

Building a new Gym in Parnell park is the word.

Its become tiresome acting like a charity to some of the other counties who mismanage their finances.

If Dublin are so good at managing their finances why do they have a shit-hole for a "Home Ground", no Center of Excellence and require millions from the Government and the GAA to fund their games development?

What are ye talking about, Parnell park is a great little ground. Don't need a centre of excellence. Games development is for the benefit of the children of the city, all genders, all codes, and its fantastic.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 30, 2018, 09:59:43 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 30, 2018, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
where did Dublin move all their gym equipment to?
just wondering.

Building a new Gym in Parnell park is the word.

Its become tiresome acting like a charity to some of the other counties who mismanage their finances.

If Dublin are so good at managing their finances why do they have a shit-hole for a "Home Ground", no Center of Excellence and require millions from the Government and the GAA to fund their games development?

What are ye talking about, Parnell park is a great little ground. Don't need a centre of excellence. Games development is for the benefit of the children of the city, all genders, all codes, and its fantastic.

No point in debating with a zealot/wum/troll. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on January 30, 2018, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
I would be no fan of Ewan MacKenna but the abuse he is getting on-line from the Dublin Zealots is ridiculous.

Anyhow between MacKenna, Colm O'Rourke, Off The Ball and now the more subtle Malachy Clerkin (2 of his most recent articles in the Irish Times have been about the amount of inter-county players not based in their home counties (Dublin Footballers and Galway Hurlers had none) and the home advantage that Croke Park gives Dublin) there is a bit more focus on the financial doping of Dublin. Still can't believe one of the zealots argued that playing at home is a disadvantage to Dublin because teams are more up for it  ::)

Ewan was pulled up by Dublin fans for liking a tweet from a Kildare supporter was gloating about Jonny Cooper been stabbed years ago.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 30, 2018, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
I would be no fan of Ewan MacKenna but the abuse he is getting on-line from the Dublin Zealots is ridiculous.

Anyhow between MacKenna, Colm O'Rourke, Off The Ball and now the more subtle Malachy Clerkin (2 of his most recent articles in the Irish Times have been about the amount of inter-county players not based in their home counties (Dublin Footballers and Galway Hurlers had none) and the home advantage that Croke Park gives Dublin) there is a bit more focus on the financial doping of Dublin. Still can't believe one of the zealots argued that playing at home is a disadvantage to Dublin because teams are more up for it  ::)

Ewan was pulled up by Dublin fans for liking a tweet from a Kildare supporter was gloating about Jonny Cooper been stabbed years ago.

I have often liked by mistake a tweet on twitter, it happens as you scroll through but if "pulling up" is a euphemism  for abuse then this is only one of many such incidents, Ewan is no angel but he has stirred debate on financial doping, drugs in sport, rugby and it's status in Irish sport, the real cost of hosting large sports events, that has to be welcomed. I am not defending him he can do that himself but I do not like seeing bullying and abuse on-line.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.

2. This was successful and we have seen them reap the rewards. Now that they are better at tapping into the vast population they have they are better than counties with a tenth (or less) of their population.

If Dublin are getting a disproportionate amount of central GAA funding which could be given to other counties then that should be changed. Not sure what else can be justifiably changed.

Both Kerry and Mayo are showing what can be done with the right foundations and counties like Meath, Kildare, Donegal etc. have the population and financial ability to compete better than they currently are.

Splitting Dublin is both a non-runner and daft. If we go down that road then we should create all teams equal, why argue we should clip Dublin's wings to help Mayo compete better but not Mayo's to allow Longford or Leitrim compete better with them?

Can those complaining about Dublin please tell us what should be done to avoid this armageddon they claim is coming?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on January 30, 2018, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 30, 2018, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
I would be no fan of Ewan MacKenna but the abuse he is getting on-line from the Dublin Zealots is ridiculous.

Anyhow between MacKenna, Colm O'Rourke, Off The Ball and now the more subtle Malachy Clerkin (2 of his most recent articles in the Irish Times have been about the amount of inter-county players not based in their home counties (Dublin Footballers and Galway Hurlers had none) and the home advantage that Croke Park gives Dublin) there is a bit more focus on the financial doping of Dublin. Still can't believe one of the zealots argued that playing at home is a disadvantage to Dublin because teams are more up for it  ::)

Ewan was pulled up by Dublin fans for liking a tweet from a Kildare supporter was gloating about Jonny Cooper been stabbed years ago.

I have often liked by mistake a tweet on twitter, it happens as you scroll through but if "pulling up" is a euphemism  for abuse then this is only one of many such incidents, Ewan is no angel but he has stirred debate on financial doping, drugs in sport, rugby and it's status in Irish sport, the real cost of hosting large sports events, that has to be welcomed. I am not defending him he can do that himself but I do not like seeing bullying and abuse on-line.

Ewan has engaged in a lot of online bullying, in the past few months on twitter he has called people c*nts, made jokey comments about peoples physical appearance and even when a young lady ( possibly a teenager to be honest) disagreed with him over a sporting tweet he made, he replied and told her to "go and put some clothes on" as she was showing a bit of bare arm in her profile pic. In these situations he has been the instigator as well.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 01:05:38 PM
I don't disagree and I am not defending him but mob-rule on Twitter is the worst thing about it that's what I don't like and these Dublin zealots are doing more harm than good.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnneycool on January 30, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 29, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 29, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
12 hour later and not a defensive word from a Dub. Not a word! ''The Greatest'', ''Hound'', ''Zulu'' et al all hiding, looking through their fingers!

Financial DOPING Lads!

**** Fake News Alert ****

Ah Spewn's (Frank Grimes) hack job that he gets paid to write, taken directly from an article he wrote for the business post on multiple occasions at this stage, he obsessed and he's plain wrong and spouting lies.

Dublin hurlers have benefited from the same coaching structure as the footballers, no All Irelands. Its not allocated per registered player, that's a stupid ignorant argument. Not all School children are registered members of clubs.


Anyway, been here before , Wolves do not concern themselves with the crying of sheep.

And while they cry, the hard work will continue.

Its funny, you never hear this being talked about from Kerry or Tyrone, just the usual suspect counties who already have weak mentalities.

Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2017, 03:48:22 PM
Christ do people only gauge success in All-Irelands

As for hurling. seriously

5 Leinster Minors and 3 runners-up in the last 12 years. Prior to that it was 1 in 40 years.

4 Leinster u21s since 2007 and 2 runners up. Prior to that you have to go back to 1972.

1 Senior Leinster Title in 2013, 1st in 50 odd years.  They even won the National League for the 1st time 70 years in 2011.

The hurling success is not measured in All-Irelands but from where they were before Bertie's cash intervention supplemented by GAA money to now, is miles apart.

I will refrain from calling you ignorant but are being deliberately obtuse as is every Dublin poster, the head in the sand stuff is mildly amusing.

Dinny is bang on with the "sure hurling is benefitting from the same funding" deflection as back not so long ago Down hurlers would have beaten them up a stick. Not now for sure so the base at which Dublin hurling had to lift itself was much lower than the footballers.
Winning Leinster titles and National League titles is a big thing for a Dublin born hurler   ;) . Won't mean a whole pile to a Dublin footballer as they were always capable of winning them anyway.

Dublin to their credit have gotten very savy in the commercial side of things and are making large sums from that that few other counties could dream of and fair play to them.
In general they've had no need to plough resources into stadia or excellence centres like a lot of other counties as they've had Croke Park on their doorstep, not to mention access to the best of facilities at the various universities scattered across the city.
Those resources are then directed into coaching and team preparation and that's a luxury that others, even with a decent playing population can't compete with.

Time to take the Dubs off the Croke Park teat and let them paddle their own canoe, which I think they will be able to do anyway.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 30, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

When is the last time Mayo or Kerry have beaten Dublin in championship? You sure are one for the Blinkers!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

I don't think they are matching them but they are close. That said, but for 2 missed frees by COC we could be talking about 2 in a row Mayo. Fine margins and all that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

would the businesses be happy with that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
Zulu without spending much time on solutions, I have a life, I gave you these last year

1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL with this overspend tax again going to the other counties.

That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

You're daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 30, 2018, 03:22:29 PM
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Esmarelda on January 30, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 30, 2018, 03:22:29 PM
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?
This already happens. Perhaps this was tongue in cheek?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 30, 2018, 03:22:29 PM
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?

It might not be realistic given the bend over policy of the GAA to Dublin but if you want fair and equal competitions then they need to be moved out period. Christ imagine the uproar in any other sport where one team got to play all finals, semi-finals and quarter-finals in their home ground yet somehow people in Ireland think this is grand sure what about all the supporters that will miss out. It f*cking amazes me that this actually not a bigger deal.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 03:52:16 PM
Ah sure doesn't everyone only love gettin bet by 20 points by Dublin in Croke Park as opposed to 10 in a neutral venue :P
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

You're daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.

Fair enough. What about Kerry Group. Cant see them being happy if their money is going to other counties
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

You're daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.

Fair enough. What about Kerry Group. Cant see them being happy if their money is going to other counties

OK, we can argue from the particular to the general if you like, but the Kerry Group is not the point. There's no shortage of sponsors anxious to get their names on jerseys for exposure on TV and on the streets, courtesy of the  hundreds of thousands of walking billboard supporters. They don't care, for the most part, which account of the Association their money gets counted in.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 30, 2018, 03:22:29 PM
Taking Dublin out of Croke Park for league games and championship games prior to Leinster Final isn't realistic and isn't going to happen unless their is a viable option, where are the Dublin county board up to with a new stadium?

It might not be realistic given the bend over policy of the GAA to Dublin but if you want fair and equal competitions then they need to be moved out period. Christ imagine the uproar in any other sport where one team got to play all finals, semi-finals and quarter-finals in their home ground yet somehow people in Ireland think this is grand sure what about all the supporters that will miss out. It f*cking amazes me that this actually not a bigger deal.

I'm afraid we supporters of Leinster teams can't blame the CCCC or any other HQ element for Dublin's Croke Park hegemony as long as delegates from ALL our county boards continue to vote to cede home advantage in return for bigger gate receipts.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Why not? They're each getting what they paid for. The only difference from the current is arrangement is who they paid.

I have no idea at all how it works but maybe the AIG guys, or the Kerry Group guys, want all their money to go to Dublin or Kerry?

You're daft if you think AIG give a damn where the money goes as long as they can plaster their logo everywhere.

Fair enough. What about Kerry Group. Cant see them being happy if their money is going to other counties

OK, we can argue from the particular to the general if you like, but the Kerry Group is not the point. There's no shortage of sponsors anxious to get their names on jerseys for exposure on TV and on the streets, courtesy of the  hundreds of thousands of walking billboard supporters. They don't care, for the most part, which account of the Association their money gets counted in.

I think its a good idea. Im just wondering about the ins and outs of it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 30, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 30, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.

What county are you from?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

When is the last time Mayo or Kerry have beaten Dublin in championship? You sure are one for the Blinkers!

Blinkers, did you see the word 'matched'? Mayo hit the post from a free to lead with minutes to go in the All Ireland final and you don't think they are matching them? By the way when was the last time Leitrim beat Mayo in the championship? Once you answer that please point me to your belly aching posts about Mayo's advantages re Leitrim?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

There are issues with that but that's what we need to discuss. Nobody wants to have a one horse sport but there's no easy solution and the GAA is in a difficult spot.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
Zulu without spending much time on solutions, I have a life, I gave you these last year

1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL with this overspend tax again going to the other counties.

That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.

Again, that's fine and again I think there are issues with those solutions but that's what we should be talking about not having people moaning about Dublin whether they win by 1 point or 10. I expect Kerry to win an All Ireland in the next three years, other counties should be able to match Kerry or Mayo at least, why aren't they?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 06:38:11 PM
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html    (https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
Zulu without spending much time on solutions, I have a life, I gave you these last year

1. Stop the ridiculous funding
2. Move them out of Croke Park for the league and Leinster bar the final
3. Sell the shirt sponsorship for every county to the highest bidder, funds go into a central pot.
4. Cap all expenditure, any over spend to be hit with wealth tax as per the AFL with this overspend tax again going to the other counties.

That's just off the top of my head if the GAA want fair and equitable games they need to think more socialist less capitalist.

Again, that's fine and again I think there are issues with those solutions but that's what we should be talking about not having people moaning about Dublin whether they win by 1 point or 10. I expect Kerry to win an All Ireland in the next three years, other counties should be able to match Kerry or Mayo at least, why aren't they?
11 of them have small populations (Ros and Monaghan punching above their weight)
6 of them are hurling Counties (Tipp punching above....)
1 is London.
Tyrone, Donegal, Galway, Down, Cork have matched/beaten Kerry/Mayowestros  this decade.
That leaves Derry, Antrim, Armagh, Meath, Louth, Wicklow and Kildare.
When will GAA HQ decide it's a crisis that Gaelic games aren't  that strong in most of those Counties and start pouring money in?
Will they also allow them to play nearly all their games at home?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 06:38:11 PM
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html    (https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html)

When the lad who gave half the Dublin panel the S&C programs that turned them from great footballers into great footballers with unrivalled fitness reckons it's gone too far it says something.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 30, 2018, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 06:45:58 PM

11 of them have small populations (Ros and Monaghan punching above their weight)
6 of them are hurling Counties (Tipp punching above....)
1 is London.
Tyrone, Donegal, Galway, Down, Cork have matched/beaten Kerry/Mayowestros  this decade.
That leaves Derry, Antrim, Armagh, Meath, Louth, Wicklow and Kildare.


Kildare have beat both Kerry and Mayo in the league this decade to be fair to us and would not have feared either in the championship in 2010/11. Hard to see them getting back to them levels again though given the psychological trauma regularly inflicted upon us by our wealthy neighbours.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 30, 2018, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 06:38:11 PM
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html    (https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html)

When the lad who gave half the Dublin panel the S&C programs that turned them from great footballers into great footballers with unrivalled fitness reckons it's gone too far it says something.

Good article and I don't know how any genuine GAA person could argue with him. A fair distribution of funding has to start immediately at the very minimum if there is any chance of inter county football surviving.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

When is the last time Mayo or Kerry have beaten Dublin in championship? You sure are one for the Blinkers!

Blinkers, did you see the word 'matched'? Mayo hit the post from a free to lead with minutes to go in the All Ireland final and you don't think they are matching them? By the way when was the last time Leitrim beat Mayo in the championship? Once you answer that please point me to your belly aching posts about Mayo's advantages re Leitrim?

So keeping up is enough for 2 of the chasing 31 counties to keep you happy? Is it? Lets be just there to entertain Dublin. Lets travel to their Stadium. Lets give them heaps of money because Rugby and Soccer are a threat there and no where else. Lets not ask their players and fans to move out of their comfort zone for the Championship. Lets make things as convenient for their players and fans so they don't have to spend money. Lets have a lad called Zulu to champion them online and ignore any advantages they have.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 30, 2018, 07:39:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 30, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.

I'm suggesting that the Irish sports council gave Dublin GAA 5 million over 5 years so the GAA didn't have to come in with financial doping. Dublin got their leg up in the years before 2010. It wasnt fair but it was done so when the GAA are still giving development funding in 2015 and 2016 of 2.5mn and 2.77 million euro a year then it has gone from a leg up to outright financial doping. Take your head out of the sand please.

On a wider point people go on about the sponsorship money like its Dublin's edge on everyone else financially. It is not, Dublin's edge financially is the development grants it gets, far more than the sponsorship. People really don't understand how much Dublin gets from the GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
Whatever about Zulu championing them on a forum like this but when you have the National GAA's Chief sounding like he's the Dublin Secretary in his vehement support of the Dublin monster it's time to call a halt.
Only the GAA officers of the other 31 Counties can do that in practice.
Over to ye lads and lassies.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on January 30, 2018, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 06:38:11 PM
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html    (https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html)

Very slowly, he says dublin might not be the minor or under 21 champions at the moment......they are champion in both...Leinster in minors and Leinster and ireland in under 21..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Blowitupref on January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another

Fair has nothing to do with it when it comes to Dublin. They'll get to play all three if their away game is v Mayo! :(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 30, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2018, 06:38:11 PM
Penny slowly dropping

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html    (https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-important-we-attain-a-sense-of-a-level-playing-field-niall-moyna-calls-for-funding-change-to-halt-surge-of-dublin-36544968.html)
There are only three inevitability in life; death, taxes and the division of Dublin.
Going by the '16 census, 28% of the state's population are based in Dublin. During his time as the minister for housing, Simon Coveney said in a Newstalk interview that 40% of the people and 50% of the country's resources are located in the Greater Dublin Area. He also said that half the population would be living there by 2040.
There is no universal definition of what the Greater Dublin Area means but one of Fianna Fáil's long term goals was to have an outer ring road stretching from Drogheda through Navan, Naas and onto Bray or Greystones. (Can't recall which of them.)
Apart from the motorway, the area enclosed would be designated as an enhanced growth region. From what I could make of that and Bertie  could confuse his own mother, never mind a holy innocent like me, that meant commercial and residential development would be concentrated in this area and in other, smaller growth areas in other parts such as Cork and other larger towns.
It's reasonable to assume that Simon Coveney had the same region in mind when speaking on Newstalk. So Dublin is at the center of a relatively small region of the country and both resources and population percentages can be expected to rise at a greater rate there than in the rest of the GDA.
It's quite reasonable to assume that by 2040 over 40% of the population will reside in Dublin.
In GAA terms that means there will be only one team to represent that number of people.
Meanwhile life is getting harder for those who live in rural areas in counties along the west coast. Rural depopulation is a feature of life in Mayo, Kerry, Galway  and the others there.
Right now, as Rossfan pointed out, Dublin has twice the population of the entire province of Connacht and the imbalance is accelerating all the while.
You needn't need a degree in rocket science to figure out that what Niall Moyna says has to be true.







Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 08:10:04 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
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Both in Croke Park.
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And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another
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Fair has nothing to do with it when it comes to Dublin. They'll get to play all three if their away game is v Mayo! :(
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Thats complete and utter bullshite.Its like Man utd playing all their big games at old trafford.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 08:22:57 PM
Good post by Lar
2016 Census - the 11 "little" Counties (est. 35,000 Nat pop in Fermanagh) have a population of 740k. (4.5k per 1st team player)
Dublin 1,339,359. (89k per 1st team player).
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2018, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another

Super 8 brought in to make up for the money HQ were losing on the ever decreasing All Ireland Quarter finals attendances. Two of Dublins Super 8 games will be played in Croke Park because they will be sell out and will create the most money for HQ
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2018, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another

Super 8 brought in to make up for the money HQ were losing on the ever decreasing All Ireland Quarter finals attendances. Two of Dublins Super 8 games will be played in Croke Park because they will be sell out and will create the most money for HQ

It's about getting more games, more revenue, and Dublin having more than one or two challenges a year!

The rest is waffle to keep the lesser lights quiet!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 09:27:36 PM
Oh and I forgot It suits the County with the Biggest Strongest squad. Because there will be suspensions, injuries and fatigue with games coming hard and fast.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2018, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 09:27:36 PM
Oh and I forgot It suits the County with the Biggest Strongest squad. Because there will be suspensions, injuries and fatigue with games coming hard and fast.

Going by mayogaablog that'll be us.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2018, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 09:27:36 PM
Oh and I forgot It suits the County with the Biggest Strongest squad. Because there will be suspensions, injuries and fatigue with games coming hard and fast.

Going by mayogaablog that'll be us.

You wish!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2018, 11:33:25 PM
money in the premier league means only the top 3/4 teams are realistically in with a shot of winning it

I don't know how the Leicester thing happened, but the other big teams were terrible that year

same withe La Liga, top few teams get most of the cash. they basically share the titles every few years

is that the way you want the football to go?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on January 31, 2018, 01:21:57 AM



Super 8 brought in to make up for the money HQ were losing on the ever decreasing All Ireland Quarter finals attendances. Two of Dublins Super 8 games will be played in Croke Park because they will be sell out and will create the most money for HQ
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I understand the financial aspect of this.My problem is how in the name of God can the gaa run the football championship with a different set of rules for 1 team???Money shouldnt come into it here.Either everyone gets 2 home games or nobody does
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on January 31, 2018, 10:48:59 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 31, 2018, 01:21:57 AM



Super 8 brought in to make up for the money HQ were losing on the ever decreasing All Ireland Quarter finals attendances. Two of Dublins Super 8 games will be played in Croke Park because they will be sell out and will create the most money for HQ
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I understand the financial aspect of this.My problem is how in the name of God can the gaa run the football championship with a different set of rules for 1 team???Money shouldnt come into it here.Either everyone gets 2 home games or nobody does
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But but but Dublins home ground is Parnell park, they get no home games;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on January 31, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
  From the indo today,  Sean McGoldrick reports
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-purchase-50-acre-farm-to-provide-playing-surface-replacements-for-croke-park-and-other-stadia-36551369.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-purchase-50-acre-farm-to-provide-playing-surface-replacements-for-croke-park-and-other-stadia-36551369.html)

In a nutshell,

Even though there was a drop of over €200,000 in the grant which Dublin received towards Games Development last year they still received €1.2m in 2016 with Cork the next bigger recipient at €249,000.

Since the introduction of coaching grants in 2007, Dublin has received more than €16.m in funding directly from Croke Park with Cork the next biggest recipients at just over €1m.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on January 31, 2018, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
  From the indo today,  Sean McGoldrick reports
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-purchase-50-acre-farm-to-provide-playing-surface-replacements-for-croke-park-and-other-stadia-36551369.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-purchase-50-acre-farm-to-provide-playing-surface-replacements-for-croke-park-and-other-stadia-36551369.html)

In a nutshell,

Even though there was a drop of over €200,000 in the grant which Dublin received towards Games Development last year they still received €1.2m in 2016 with Cork the next bigger recipient at €249,000.

Since the introduction of coaching grants in 2007, Dublin has received more than €16.m in funding directly from Croke Park with Cork the next biggest recipients at just over €1m.


Wonder when the penny will drop for supporters of other counties?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on January 31, 2018, 03:04:32 PM
A sports reporter on the radio this morning (either Today FM or 2FM) said Croke Park brought in an extra €5m last year due to increased attendances at championship matches..could that be true?


Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
  From the indo today,  Sean McGoldrick reports
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-purchase-50-acre-farm-to-provide-playing-surface-replacements-for-croke-park-and-other-stadia-36551369.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-purchase-50-acre-farm-to-provide-playing-surface-replacements-for-croke-park-and-other-stadia-36551369.html)

In a nutshell,

Even though there was a drop of over €200,000 in the grant which Dublin received towards Games Development last year they still received €1.2m in 2016 with Cork the next bigger recipient at €249,000.

Since the introduction of coaching grants in 2007, Dublin has received more than €16.m in funding directly from Croke Park with Cork the next biggest recipients at just over €1m.



utter madness the unfairness of this. Croke Pk has an unquenchable thirst for the Euro.

We try and get to as many county matches as we can, McKenna, league, championship, doesn't really matter the competition, same as a lot of others (well, maybe not in Derry). Regardless of how our county are doing, we'll still go, always have done, always will do. When Derry gets it's act together, the Anglo Celt will be the realistic goal. Having a tilt at Sam is a complete pipe-dream to the likes of ourselves and the vast majority of other counties.
Mayo will drop off, Kerry will usually be there or thereabouts. 1 from a group of about another 3 will maybe lift themselves to reach a final. Tyrone were the best by some distance in Ulster last year and were blown away by Dublin.
Was chatting to the old boy on the road home from Celtic Park on Sunday about Dublin probably winning their 4th Sam in the row and how depressing it would be
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on January 31, 2018, 03:12:00 PM
Increased attendances because Mayo kept drawing matches and their supporters are soft enough (like ours are) to keep going to all the refixtures.

Interest in the IC game is on a serious downwards spiral now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 31, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-distributes-record-million-counties-and-clubs-155643/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Esmarelda on January 31, 2018, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 30, 2018, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on January 30, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Lads maybe a bit off topic but can someone tell me will Dublin get to play their home and neutral super 8 games at croke park??? Ive been getting a lot of conflicting answers on this the past few days. Thanks
Both in Croke Park.

And how is that fair??? Ive no problem with some of the advantages Dublin have but thats blatant favouritism toward one team above another

Fair has nothing to do with it when it comes to Dublin. They'll get to play all three if their away game is v Mayo! :(
Didn't you say they'd get to play all three unless the third was a dead rubber?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Esmarelda on January 31, 2018, 04:34:14 PM
I agree generally with what's been said in the last couple of pages, but can someone tell me what their issue is with what's in that independent.ie link?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on January 31, 2018, 04:42:51 PM
This is not a GAA problem. This is a national problem that has been allowed to carry on unchecked for decades. There are too many people living in Dublin. This does nothing for the quality of life of people living there. I've been saying it for a long time - there needs to be a sustained, committed drive by government to divert job etc away from Dublin to less populous areas. Things will only get worse if this does not happen.

A flip side of this which I'm guessing not many care about is that in a county of 1.3M or whatever, only 25-30 lads get to play intercounty football. Which is nuts.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 31, 2018, 05:04:14 PM
They have 4 ready made Counties who could field teams and ensure 100 Dublin footballers get to play Inter County in a year
Dublin City pop 554k
Fingal 296k
Dun Laoighaire Rathdown 210k
South Dublin 279k.
Wouldn't Fingal v Dublin City fill Croker anyday ;)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 31, 2018, 03:12:00 PM
Increased attendances because Mayo kept drawing matches and their supporters are soft enough (like ours are) to keep going to all the refixtures.

Interest in the IC game is on a serious downwards spiral now.

The championship would only be half dressed without us.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 31, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
I heard of 4/5 clubs in a rural county coming together and putting together a detailed plan for a coaching programme in the local primary and secondary schools and the underage sections of the clubs involved all supported by a 9 month full time coach (basically one evening per week in each club).
They applied for funding through their county board with half of the cost to be funded by the clubs involved.
There was no funding available

another two clubs I know of came together and put together a part time coaching plan for their local schools (as they felt they weren't getting enough time off the county board - one hour per school per week). Again, no funding was forthcoming.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 31, 2018, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 31, 2018, 04:42:51 PM
This is not a GAA problem. This is a national problem that has been allowed to carry on unchecked for decades. There are too many people living in Dublin. This does nothing for the quality of life of people living there. I've been saying it for a long time - there needs to be a sustained, committed drive by government to divert job etc away from Dublin to less populous areas. Things will only get worse if this does not happen.

A flip side of this which I'm guessing not many care about is that in a county of 1.3M or whatever, only 25-30 lads get to play intercounty football. Which is nuts.

Many are using residency to play for other counties. Brian Mullens Son for Donegal. Man of the match in Dublin's 2011 All-Ireland final Kevin Nolan has thrown his hat in to play for Monaghan. There will be more.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 31, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 31, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
I heard of 4/5 clubs in a rural county coming together and putting together a detailed plan for a coaching programme in the local primary and secondary schools and the underage sections of the clubs involved all supported by a 9 month full time coach (basically one evening per week in each club).
They applied for funding through their county board with half of the cost to be funded by the clubs involved.
There was no funding available

another two clubs I know of came together and put together a part time coaching plan for their local schools (as they felt they weren't getting enough time off the county board - one hour per school per week). Again, no funding was forthcoming.

Impossible, they say on reservoir dubs that no club has ever been refused funding when a proper plan has been put in place. It must just mean that Dubliners are better at submitting plans.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 01, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: caprea on January 30, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Might be labelled by some here as a troll, WUM or God forbid, a Dub but I don't get this financial doping stuff. As far as I know this is basically what happened:

1. Dublin was seen as a GAA blackspot and as the major population centre of Ireland were given extra funding to address this.


Dublin was a GAA black spot was it? Second most successful county in football's history. Ok then...

So the GAA decided that won't do and decided to turn the other counties of Leinster into a real black spot where they can't win anything. That was the plan was it?

Unless you're being deliberately confrontational you know what I mean. GAA was less than optimal in Dublin and it was only right that the governing body addressed this. I doubt they envisioned the success they'd have in the capital but I'm sure they're trying to help others. Why wouldn't they?

Are you actually suggesting the GAA should not have helped make the GAA strong in the most populous part of Ireland? It would be an abdication of their role.
Depends very much on what you mean by "help."
  Even without grant money from any quarter, Dublin would have greatly superior resources to any other county. It seems official policy is to widen the gap even further.
Other counties, especially those along the western seaboard are having enough trouble to keep going as it is, never mind the bias towards Dublin where development grants are concerned.
The country club as the heart of the local community is fast becoming a relic of the past.   
If  you didn't have a high standard of intercounty competition, you wouldn't have a GAA, full stop.
This excerpt from the GAA's Annual Revenue Report should be studied carefully.

"Gate receipts provided over half of the GAA's income in 2017 (€34.4 Million), and were up by €4 million on 2016's gate receipts.
This was thanks to the average attendance per championship match (in the All-Ireland series) growing to 22,000, helped significantly by the All-Ireland series attendance figures growing by 24 per cent (180,000).
(I have numbered and isolated the three points I refer to for emphasis.

Mayo's replays at the All-Ireland semi-final and quarter-final stages as well as the big crowds attracted by hurling counties like Wexford, Cork, and Waterford would have been big contributory factors to this increase.


The knock-out stages of the All-Ireland championships remain as vital as ever as a revenue generator for the Association because they ultimately finance the majority of matches and competitions which aren't profit making.


For example, no Allianz Football League or Hurling League match turned a profit in 2017, nor did any Ring, Rackard, or Meagher Cup match."

At the moment the only credible challenge to Dublin's stranglehold on the premier  competition, the All Ireland, comes from Mayo.
The two counties have given unrivalled entertainment in all that is positive about Gaelic football. Kerry is going through a period of rebuilding, Tyrone has faded from the scene and there is no other serious alternative when you look around.
The GAA would be in grave financial trouble unless Dublin had worthwhile opposition. Catering for the elite is all very well but if that means leaving others to go suck the hind tit and fend for themselves, Dublin will ultimately be losers, same as everybody else.

Although there are other counties in the same boat, I'm concentrating on Mayo as the rivalry with Dublin has been the major money spinner for some time but official policy seems to be to make it even harder for Mayo to stay in touch with with the Dubs.
Going by these infographics,  (http://"http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/smangan/money-influence-success-gaelic-football/") and they have been posted here several times before, this is plain to be seen.
In the period 2010-2014 Dublin got €274.70 in games development grants per registered player while Mayo got €22.30.
That's bad enough but to make matters worse, Dublin got a total of €11.7 million from the GAA in that period, whereas Mayo got €2.63 million.
So the official policy seems to be that Dublin must get what it needs in order to survive but others can take a running jump for themselves.
Tell me, do you think the Leinster championship this year will be run at a profit or a loss?
How long will it be before the All Ireland championship becomes a farce also? Bottom line for me is that you can shovel all the money you like into Dublin but it won't be coming from gate receipts.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 01, 2018, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 31, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 31, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
I heard of 4/5 clubs in a rural county coming together and putting together a detailed plan for a coaching programme in the local primary and secondary schools and the underage sections of the clubs involved all supported by a 9 month full time coach (basically one evening per week in each club).
They applied for funding through their county board with half of the cost to be funded by the clubs involved.
There was no funding available

another two clubs I know of came together and put together a part time coaching plan for their local schools (as they felt they weren't getting enough time off the county board - one hour per school per week). Again, no funding was forthcoming.

Impossible, they say on reservoir dubs that no club has ever been refused funding when a proper plan has been put in place. It must just mean that Dubliners are better at submitting plans.
If we'd any proper GAA journalists, instead of the moaners and flamers, we would get a proper piece on why these clubs did not get funding and a detailed comparison with why a Dublin club did. If true of course. We should get to the bottom of this. For starters, let's name the 4 or 5 clubs who came together?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 01, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 01, 2018, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 31, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 31, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
I heard of 4/5 clubs in a rural county coming together and putting together a detailed plan for a coaching programme in the local primary and secondary schools and the underage sections of the clubs involved all supported by a 9 month full time coach (basically one evening per week in each club).
They applied for funding through their county board with half of the cost to be funded by the clubs involved.
There was no funding available

another two clubs I know of came together and put together a part time coaching plan for their local schools (as they felt they weren't getting enough time off the county board - one hour per school per week). Again, no funding was forthcoming.

Impossible, they say on reservoir dubs that no club has ever been refused funding when a proper plan has been put in place. It must just mean that Dubliners are better at submitting plans.
If we'd any proper GAA journalists, instead of the moaners and flamers, we would get a proper piece on why these clubs did not get funding and a detailed comparison with why a Dublin club did. If true of course. We should get to the bottom of this. For starters, let's name the 4 or 5 clubs who came together?
why should I?
maybe come up with a reason why Dublin clubs have a privileged status to get funding?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on February 01, 2018, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on February 01, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

They did this last year. They still won the all Ireland. Also not sure how free cars equate to better players... didn't Donegal get a similar deal in around their all Ireland winning season?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 12:19:48 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 01, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 01, 2018, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 31, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 31, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
I heard of 4/5 clubs in a rural county coming together and putting together a detailed plan for a coaching programme in the local primary and secondary schools and the underage sections of the clubs involved all supported by a 9 month full time coach (basically one evening per week in each club).
They applied for funding through their county board with half of the cost to be funded by the clubs involved.
There was no funding available

another two clubs I know of came together and put together a part time coaching plan for their local schools (as they felt they weren't getting enough time off the county board - one hour per school per week). Again, no funding was forthcoming.

Impossible, they say on reservoir dubs that no club has ever been refused funding when a proper plan has been put in place. It must just mean that Dubliners are better at submitting plans.
If we'd any proper GAA journalists, instead of the moaners and flamers, we would get a proper piece on why these clubs did not get funding and a detailed comparison with why a Dublin club did. If true of course. We should get to the bottom of this. For starters, let's name the 4 or 5 clubs who came together?
why should I?
maybe come up with a reason why Dublin clubs have a privileged status to get funding?

It's simple - The GAA when they had finished Croke Park need fans to fill it! Leinster Finals involving Laois and Westmeath were a disaster financially for Headquarters. Having a strong Dublin is essential. The GAA made a balls of renting Croke Park to Soccer and Rugby. If they had gotten in before Landsdowne was redeveloped they could be making money off season when soccer and Rugby are played.

Dublin won't be taken out of Croke Park because Dublin fans don't travel. The attendance at the Carlow game in 2017 was 13,238! The attendance at the Wexford game in 2016 was 16,764! The GAA will continue to make life convenient for the largest fan base to be able to go to games. The rest of us will just have to suck it up or vote with our feet!

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Nonsense that Dublin fans don't travel. Im pretty sure theyve outnumbered the home support whist travelling in recent years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on February 01, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

*** FAKE NEWS ALERT*

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players - FAKE NEWS - Confirmed by John Costello
2.none of the dublin team work - FAKE NEWS - Myth debunked time and time again
3.free cars - Not all get them, some of them get them as loans
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU - Dublin always hand a strong affiliation with DCU, they use a lot of club grounds, Parnells (Davids) Innisfails in Kinsealy, which are hardly state of the art facilities, take your logic the take Tyrone out of their centre of excellence, Clare etc, How can Leitrim compete with Mayos 320 K senior football team expenditure
5.have their warm area/dressing room - Dublin have always warmed up infront of the Hill. Only problem with people now because they are winning, Dressing room myth debunked time and time again.

God , newbies what.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Nonsense that Dublin fans don't travel. Im pretty sure theyve outnumbered the home support whist travelling in recent years.

Its a very good point, every away league match was well attended including the outing in Leinster.

This year will be no different.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 08:33:07 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Nonsense that Dublin fans don't travel. Im pretty sure theyve outnumbered the home support whist travelling in recent years.

Its a very good point, every away league match was well attended including the outing in Leinster.

This year will be no different.

Great travelers my hole!

The attendance at the Carlow game in 2017 was 13,238! The attendance at the Wexford game in 2016 was 16,764! The GAA will continue to make life convenient for the largest fan base to be able to go to games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 08:33:07 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Nonsense that Dublin fans don't travel. Im pretty sure theyve outnumbered the home support whist travelling in recent years.

Its a very good point, every away league match was well attended including the outing in Leinster.

This year will be no different.

Great travelers my hole!

The attendance at the Carlow game in 2017 was 13,238! The attendance at the Wexford game in 2016 was 16,764! The GAA will continue to make life convenient for the largest fan base to be able to go to games.

Biggest attendances last year were in the league, Carlow will not attract big crowds, 85% of that match crowd were Dubs. Its good for what it is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on February 01, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

*** FAKE NEWS ALERT*

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players - FAKE NEWS - Confirmed by John Costello
2.none of the dublin team work - FAKE NEWS - Myth debunked time and time again
3.free cars - Not all get them, some of them get them as loans
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU - Dublin always hand a strong affiliation with DCU, they use a lot of club grounds, Parnells (Davids) Innisfails in Kinsealy, which are hardly state of the art facilities, take your logic the take Tyrone out of their centre of excellence, Clare etc, How can Leitrim compete with Mayos 320 K senior football team expenditure
5.have their warm area/dressing room - Dublin have always warmed up infront of the Hill. Only problem with people now because they are winning, Dressing room myth debunked time and time again.

God , newbies what.

They're just denials, there is nothing to say they are true. I would firmly be of the opinion that a high proportion of the Dublin players effectively have part time or no-show jobs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on February 01, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

*** FAKE NEWS ALERT*

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players - FAKE NEWS - Confirmed by John Costello
2.none of the dublin team work - FAKE NEWS - Myth debunked time and time again
3.free cars - Not all get them, some of them get them as loans
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU - Dublin always hand a strong affiliation with DCU, they use a lot of club grounds, Parnells (Davids) Innisfails in Kinsealy, which are hardly state of the art facilities, take your logic the take Tyrone out of their centre of excellence, Clare etc, How can Leitrim compete with Mayos 320 K senior football team expenditure
5.have their warm area/dressing room - Dublin have always warmed up infront of the Hill. Only problem with people now because they are winning, Dressing room myth debunked time and time again.

God , newbies what.

They're just denials, there is nothing to say they are true. I would firmly be of the opinion that a high proportion of the Dublin players effectively have part time or no-show jobs.

Not denials, its been confirmed.

regarding professions, A lot are Students, il give you that, but a lot are young men on the current Dublin panel, who might of got a scholarship etc, no harm it that.

5 are teachers
8 Students
6  work in finance
4 in medical or fitness.
3 in account management or sales.
7 or 8 unknown but I say mostly students as the unknowns are also very young.

I would day its a similar profile to a lot of teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 02, 2018, 11:04:13 AM
Another top table man defending the financial doping of the Dublin monster
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/o-neill-says-dublin-s-success-reflects-well-on-the-gaa-1.3377120?mode=amp
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 02, 2018, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on February 01, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

*** FAKE NEWS ALERT*

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players - FAKE NEWS - Confirmed by John Costello
2.none of the dublin team work - FAKE NEWS - Myth debunked time and time again
3.free cars - Not all get them, some of them get them as loans
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU - Dublin always hand a strong affiliation with DCU, they use a lot of club grounds, Parnells (Davids) Innisfails in Kinsealy, which are hardly state of the art facilities, take your logic the take Tyrone out of their centre of excellence, Clare etc, How can Leitrim compete with Mayos 320 K senior football team expenditure
5.have their warm area/dressing room - Dublin have always warmed up infront of the Hill. Only problem with people now because they are winning, Dressing room myth debunked time and time again.

God , newbies what.

They're just denials, there is nothing to say they are true. I would firmly be of the opinion that a high proportion of the Dublin players effectively have part time or no-show jobs.

Not denials, its been confirmed.

regarding professions, A lot are Students, il give you that, but a lot are young men on the current Dublin panel, who might of got a scholarship etc, no harm it that.

5 are teachers
8 Students
6  work in finance
4 in medical or fitness.
3 in account management or sales.
7 or 8 unknown but I say mostly students as the unknowns are also very young.

I would day its a similar profile to a lot of teams.

Confirmed?

Alot of mobsters in America were employed in the sanitation business, it doesn't mean they actually turned up for work. The Dublin players are "employed", I would imagine a lot of them would not do a full working week and are there for optics.

I think you're either naive or blinkered on this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2018, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Which is convenient. Ard Mhaca and Aontroim the only two counties that could possibly get Changing Room 1 v the Ath CLiathans.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 02, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Meath, Westmeath, Down, Cavan and Longford to name but a few.

They all start with An as far as I know.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 02, 2018, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2018, 11:04:13 AM
Another top table man defending the financial doping of the Dublin monster
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/o-neill-says-dublin-s-success-reflects-well-on-the-gaa-1.3377120?mode=amp

Quotethe plan to put a coach into every club in Dublin and get them to pay for half was devised at that time because it was coming out of government funds.

Ha! Calls out the BS that Dublin had this great plan and every club had a great plan and every county should follow suit. The Leinster Council some crowd. Smiler O'Neill should take a long look at his county and their struggles.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 08:33:07 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 02, 2018, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 08:23:12 AM
Nonsense that Dublin fans don't travel. Im pretty sure theyve outnumbered the home support whist travelling in recent years.

Its a very good point, every away league match was well attended including the outing in Leinster.

This year will be no different.

Great travelers my hole!

The attendance at the Carlow game in 2017 was 13,238! The attendance at the Wexford game in 2016 was 16,764! The GAA will continue to make life convenient for the largest fan base to be able to go to games.

Biggest attendances last year were in the league, Carlow will not attract big crowds, 85% of that match crowd were Dubs. Its good for what it is.

Another unsubstantiated statement. Biggest attendances away in the League? Where are the figures?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 02, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Meath, Westmeath, Down, Cavan and Longford to name but a few.

They all start with An as far as I know.

That's actually a fair point. I never thought about it with An. If that's the case then An Mhí and An Iarmhí need to challenge it. Remember Mayo v Dublin 06?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 02, 2018, 02:18:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 02, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Meath, Westmeath, Down, Cavan and Longford to name but a few.

They all start with An as far as I know.

That's actually a fair point. I never thought about it with An. If that's the case then An Mhí and An Iarmhí need to challenge it. Remember Mayo v Dublin 06?

That was a good laugh.

Pillar Caffrey shouldered some lad in to the back. The minute the lad turned around Caffrey recoiled. He was an obnoxious man.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 02, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Meath, Westmeath, Down, Cavan and Longford to name but a few.

They all start with An as far as I know.

That's actually a fair point. I never thought about it with An. If that's the case then An Mhí and An Iarmhí need to challenge it. Remember Mayo v Dublin 06?

Will I ever forget?  ;D That day had it all. It was John Morrison who Pillar shoved in the back. Whelan walking like a bull to the Hill. Then to top it all off the comeback at the end. I'm smiling here as I type. :D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on February 02, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
from memory pillar ran into someone from behind for sure, didnt he get a 1 match ban ???
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 03:41:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ByVZsXNWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ByVZsXNWs)


Always amazes me the lick arsing of Lyster, O'Rourke and Brolly to the Dubs!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 02, 2018, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 02, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Meath, Westmeath, Down, Cavan and Longford to name but a few.

They all start with An as far as I know.

That's actually a fair point. I never thought about it with An. If that's the case then An Mhí and An Iarmhí need to challenge it. Remember Mayo v Dublin 06?

Will I ever forget?  ;D That day had it all. It was John Morrison who Pillar shoved in the back. Whelan walking like a bull to the Hill. Then to top it all off the comeback at the end. I'm smiling here as I type. :D
was privileged to be there that day actually
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 02, 2018, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 02, 2018, 07:36:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 02, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 02, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
The reason why Dublin get the hill before games is because the changing rooms are assigned alphabetically. Whichever team is higher alphabetically (e.g. Ath Cliath) get changing room 1. If Ard Mhacha are playing Dublin in croke park, they get this side.

Meath, Westmeath, Down, Cavan and Longford to name but a few.

They all start with An as far as I know.

That's actually a fair point. I never thought about it with An. If that's the case then An Mhí and An Iarmhí need to challenge it. Remember Mayo v Dublin 06?

Will I ever forget?  ;D That day had it all. It was John Morrison who Pillar shoved in the back. Whelan walking like a bull to the Hill. Then to top it all off the comeback at the end. I'm smiling here as I type. :D
was privileged to be there that day actually

When you look back at the full game on Youtube, you realise how naive both teams were. Incredibly naive. McDonald was some talent. But he could mix the sublime with complete madness. No wonder Kerry wiped us in '04 and '06.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on February 04, 2018, 03:45:55 PM
TG4's competition question at the break there...

Subaru is the official car partner for which county?
A. Kildare
B. Dublin
C. Offaly
;D ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on February 04, 2018, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on February 04, 2018, 03:45:55 PM
TG4's competition question at the break there...

Subaru is the official car partner for which county?
A. Kildare
B. Dublin
C. Offaly
;D ::)

That's superb/subaru) mickey-taking :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 04, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
I wonder who Leitrim or Longford's official car partner is?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 04, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 04, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
I wonder who Leitrim or Longford's official car partner is?
Raleigh. I got in on good authority that they will be peddling about on high nellys this year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 19, 2018, 09:24:20 AM
http://www.football365.com/news/questions-emerge-over-tottenhams-fa-cup-advantage (http://www.football365.com/news/questions-emerge-over-tottenhams-fa-cup-advantage)

Meh! Ask any Dublin fan and they will tell you it's a disadvantage to play all your games at home.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 10:30:18 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline

Why did they start winning National Leagues, Leinster and underage titles all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 19, 2018, 10:30:30 AM
Read the thread

QuoteChrist do people only gauge success in All-Irelands

As for hurling. seriously

5 Leinster Minors and 3 runners-up in the last 12 years. Prior to that it was 1 in 40 years.

4 Leinster u21s since 2007 and 2 runners up. Prior to that you have to go back to 1972.

1 Senior Leinster Title in 2013, 1st in 50 odd years.  They even won the National League for the 1st time 70 years in 2011.

The hurling success is not measured in All-Irelands but from where they were before Bertie's cash intervention supplemented by GAA money to now, is miles apart.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.
No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.
No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

Hurling has an awful inferiority complex. Football just gets on with its business of being the national game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.
No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

Hurling has an awful inferiority complex. Football just gets on with its business of being the national game.
There is nothing inferior about it. Most counties can't play the game in any meaningful way.
Should chess feel inferior to draughts for the same reason?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 19, 2018, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 19, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on February 16, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 30, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
If we're going to have big powerful Dublin winning All Irelands every year due to their population and money you won't have to bother about other County teams as Inter County competition as a National sport will disappear.
You either split Dublin or you forget about County teams at All Ireland level reorganise the National representative competition into say 10 areas of about 500,000 each if you want some kind of equal competition.
Neither of those will happen so then we're left with a load of financial aid to Antrim, Louth, Kildare, Wicklow, Derry, Cork, Donegal Kerry and Mayowestros  to try and keep some of them competitive with Dublin .
As for the rest of us.....may as well take up soccer.

I doubt anyone wants football to be dominated by one team but there's no point in people complaining here repeatedly without a solution or blaming the GAA if there's nothing they can do. I don't buy the doom and gloom personally as both Kerry and Mayo are showing Dublin can be matched. The GAA should help others and let Dublin fund more of their own development but if more counties met the challenge I've no fears for the future. Kildare and Meath for a start can be much better.

OK - let's talk about solutions.

I'll start with centralising all sponsorship. Your business can pick a team to sponsor, but you don't pay the county board. The money goes to Croke Park. AIG can have their logo on Dublin's shirts for a million a year. Joe's Bar ban have theirs on the Rossies' bus for 15K. All the money goes to central funds to be disbursed in somewhat fair proportions.

It's a start.

Agreed. When Dublin won their artificially acquired Leinster hurling titles a few years ago, suddenly the county teams were being described as a product.

The whole Financial Doping thing is a marketing wet dream that has been realised.

We've drifted very far from the 32-county (34) competition which was envisaged from the outset. An amateur organisation, with amateur players, with the exception of a quasi-professional outfit in Dublin. I'd rather have 31 good counties rather than the fubar set-up we have now.

The legacy of Duffy & O'Fearghail+predecessors will be one which created a monster, but refused to admit their mistake.

We should have a socialist outlook and if all counties don't have a chance in winning a provincial title, the GAA is doing something wrong.

Not only should this mistake be corrected, it should be done now. No soft landing. Turn off the Dublin money tap and let the funding across the country find a suitable level. Adopt some version of the NFL model and help the weaker counties most. If the "Dublin plan" is so bloody good, then implement that in every county. Whichever county doesn't do it right, force them to put people in who will, or lose the funding.


why arent Dublin domininating hurling if the issue is as simple as you outline
It's much harder to buy hurling All Ireland than a football one.
There is a lot more natural talent needed in hurling. Dublin have done all they can with their manufactured hurlers.

There's just way less interest in hurling. That's all.
No, it's just too hard to play for most counties who have to settle for throwball instead.

Well then maybe if Tipperary concentrated more on hurling they might win more than one in a row.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on February 19, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
Haven't looked at this thread in ages.
Are Dublin still getting all the money?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
Any serious Dubs still hanging about?
I have a few genuine questions to put to anyone who is familiar with the way the special developmet funds are being spent.
I had a few pints with an old member of the local GAA club and we got talking about  the uses to which this money is put.
Okay, it's clear enough that clubs pay half the coaching costs and the GAA pony up the rest but my buddy wasn't able to say if all the grant money was spent on coaching only or if moves were being made to attract new members into the clubs.
IMO, if a youngster has to become a member of a club before he can avail of this coaching, the whole process is gong to be self-defeating eventually.
I haven't heard of any club that has recently launched a recruitment drive and  I don't see any more kids wearing GAA gear than the usual amount that has been knocking about for years,
Further more, have any new clubs been set up in Dublin inside, say, the last decade? Can't say I've heard of any.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 10:56:23 PM
A relative is chair of a Dublin club,

Tyrellstown possibly newest club, also realt dearg which is a country hurling club and na. Gael oige. ...... adamstown collapsed after a fes years.

Only development money clubs get is the 50% contribution towards the GPO.

If there was s penny more  available he would have nailed it

Most GPO work done in the schools with noth members and potential members. Most recruitmernt done at  u6 and below level.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on February 20, 2018, 09:15:51 AM
Tyrellstown could be losing their pitch soon.
Any sign of the county board stepping in?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on February 20, 2018, 09:19:01 AM
as likely as it is that they create new clubs to be honest
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-wants-a-gaa-transfer-system-created-to-stop-an-unbridgeable-chasm-opening-up-between-dublin-and-the-rest-36622735.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on February 20, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-wants-a-gaa-transfer-system-created-to-stop-an-unbridgeable-chasm-opening-up-between-dublin-and-the-rest-36622735.html

Does the parent rule still apply that a player can play for their parents county?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2018, 12:05:55 PM
It must as Mark Nally of Ros Gaels  has declared for his father's native Longford.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on February 20, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2018, 12:05:55 PM
It must as Mark Nally of Ros Gaels  has declared for his father's native Longford.

There's still time for Andy to do away with the Stockholm Syndrome stuff and play for his own county. He'd have bother making the team though, but we give everyone a fair chance in Roscommon.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 21, 2018, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
Any serious Dubs still hanging about?
I have a few genuine questions to put to anyone who is familiar with the way the special developmet funds are being spent.
I had a few pints with an old member of the local GAA club and we got talking about  the uses to which this money is put.
Okay, it's clear enough that clubs pay half the coaching costs and the GAA pony up the rest but my buddy wasn't able to say if all the grant money was spent on coaching only or if moves were being made to attract new members into the clubs.
IMO, if a youngster has to become a member of a club before he can avail of this coaching, the whole process is gong to be self-defeating eventually.
I haven't heard of any club that has recently launched a recruitment drive and  I don't see any more kids wearing GAA gear than the usual amount that has been knocking about for years,
Further more, have any new clubs been set up in Dublin inside, say, the last decade? Can't say I've heard of any.

The coaching grant all goes to the GPO, there's nowhere else it goes. And as you said, the club funds the other 50%.

At my club (a small/medium growing club in Dublin suburbia), the GPO runs coaching sessions every Saturday morning for the young kids, 4-7 years old. Once you get old enough to join a team then parents take over. I think we have 3 primary schools in the area, and the GPO takes PE for various classes in each school, teaching basics in hurling and football to boys and girls and encouraging them to come up on Saturday morning or to join a team if old enough.

The first GPO I had experience of was a Munster lad who loved hurling and didn't care too much about football (we're mainly a football club but have a few hurling fanatics who drive that side of the club - and drive the rest of us up the wall!). This GPO had a great interest in the U15s to minors and they would still speak highly of him. While he was never over them, he became a regular fixture at their hurling training sessions and I believe would usually attend their matches. He had little interest in the younger kids, and while he would be there on the Saturday mornings, he would bring some of the U15, U16 lads to actually do the training drills etc. My son left the GAA club to go to the soccer because the Saturday mornings were a shambles and the soccer academy for his age was far better organised! (That was down to one individual who was a very good coach and had a young lad the same age as mine).

The next GPO we got was an Ulsterwoman. She was a better all rounder.  My lad was back by then, but had little to do with her. She took one coaching session when the main manager of his team and his son left but wouldnt go to the match that weekend. She did become a mentor for one of the girl's teams.  She was a bit rough though, plenty of bad language and eventually annoyed plenty of people!

The current lad is pretty well regarded and is keeping his nose clean. He's not over any team. I think he's good at the admin side, email groups and stuff like that.
None of them have ever had anything to do with any of the adult teams, as you'd expect.

None of these are what you call expert coaches, but know the basics very well and very important can teach parents the basics to give us a better chance of teaching the kids.
While you'd get some people saying, they're feckin useless, why are we spending money on them, I think there's no doubt they have increased participation and young member levels. But they don't go near any elite players we might have. If you look at the underage teams in my club and what division they are in, there's a strong correlation with where a team has a mentor who played senior football, then they're inevitably in a higher division than the ones where the mentors have little adult playing experience and are getting their coaching skills from the GPO.

The club is in the initial stages of planning a refurbishment. Clubhouse and pitches badly need improvement. I know capital grants and loans are being applied for, but don't know the detail. Lots (and lots and lots) of fundraising going on, members being asked to dig deep "for the future of the club".
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 23, 2018, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2018, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
Any serious Dubs still hanging about?
I have a few genuine questions to put to anyone who is familiar with the way the special developmet funds are being spent.
I had a few pints with an old member of the local GAA club and we got talking about  the uses to which this money is put.
Okay, it's clear enough that clubs pay half the coaching costs and the GAA pony up the rest but my buddy wasn't able to say if all the grant money was spent on coaching only or if moves were being made to attract new members into the clubs.
IMO, if a youngster has to become a member of a club before he can avail of this coaching, the whole process is gong to be self-defeating eventually.
I haven't heard of any club that has recently launched a recruitment drive and  I don't see any more kids wearing GAA gear than the usual amount that has been knocking about for years,
Further more, have any new clubs been set up in Dublin inside, say, the last decade? Can't say I've heard of any.

The coaching grant all goes to the GPO, there's nowhere else it goes. And as you said, the club funds the other 50%.

At my club (a small/medium growing club in Dublin suburbia), the GPO runs coaching sessions every Saturday morning for the young kids, 4-7 years old. Once you get old enough to join a team then parents take over. I think we have 3 primary schools in the area, and the GPO takes PE for various classes in each school, teaching basics in hurling and football to boys and girls and encouraging them to come up on Saturday morning or to join a team if old enough.

The first GPO I had experience of was a Munster lad who loved hurling and didn't care too much about football (we're mainly a football club but have a few hurling fanatics who drive that side of the club - and drive the rest of us up the wall!). This GPO had a great interest in the U15s to minors and they would still speak highly of him. While he was never over them, he became a regular fixture at their hurling training sessions and I believe would usually attend their matches. He had little interest in the younger kids, and while he would be there on the Saturday mornings, he would bring some of the U15, U16 lads to actually do the training drills etc. My son left the GAA club to go to the soccer because the Saturday mornings were a shambles and the soccer academy for his age was far better organised! (That was down to one individual who was a very good coach and had a young lad the same age as mine).

The next GPO we got was an Ulsterwoman. She was a better all rounder.  My lad was back by then, but had little to do with her. She took one coaching session when the main manager of his team and his son left but wouldnt go to the match that weekend. She did become a mentor for one of the girl's teams.  She was a bit rough though, plenty of bad language and eventually annoyed plenty of people!

The current lad is pretty well regarded and is keeping his nose clean. He's not over any team. I think he's good at the admin side, email groups and stuff like that.
None of them have ever had anything to do with any of the adult teams, as you'd expect.

None of these are what you call expert coaches, but know the basics very well and very important can teach parents the basics to give us a better chance of teaching the kids.
While you'd get some people saying, they're feckin useless, why are we spending money on them, I think there's no doubt they have increased participation and young member levels. But they don't go near any elite players we might have. If you look at the underage teams in my club and what division they are in, there's a strong correlation with where a team has a mentor who played senior football, then they're inevitably in a higher division than the ones where the mentors have little adult playing experience and are getting their coaching skills from the GPO.

The club is in the initial stages of planning a refurbishment. Clubhouse and pitches badly need improvement. I know capital grants and loans are being applied for, but don't know the detail. Lots (and lots and lots) of fundraising going on, members being asked to dig deep "for the future of the club".
Thanks Hound, that was a very comprehensive reply sorry I didn't respond sooner.
I asked the question because I was  interested in finding out where the development money is being spent. Going by what John Costello, Paraic Duffy and other prominent GAA spokespersons say, the state of GAA affairs at club level is a cause for alarm and every cent granted to Dub clubs is more than justified if the game is to continue to survive.
I can understand this a lot better than most of my fellow culchies because I was involved with underage football both at schools and club level for many years. 
From what you say and from what I've heard from people involved with local clubs, the grant money is being spent mainly on coaching young players who are already members of some club or other.
It seems little or nothing is being done to attract kids who might otherwise opt to player soccer or not to play football of any sort.
I see that as a serious flaw because the percentage of population that are actively involved with the GAA is far less that it is in (all?) other counties. This is a problem that was identified when the strategic review committee set up in 2002 released its findings. 
If you recall, this committee was set up to deal with areas of concern to the GAA and to come up with a blueprint for the future. One of the problems investigated was the abnormally high dropout rate of Dublin clubs. The pity was that one of the recommendations was that Dublin be split in two and inevitable backlash led to the report being shelved in its entirety.
One finding above all others interested me.
Five Dublin clubs were each so big that it could field more underage players than any one of five different counties. There is a serious downside to this however.
Very few of the youngsters involved with those Dublin clubs, and other large ones, will be around to play at senior level.
Some will leave anyway- same a shappens with other sports but only 30 or so, at most, will player at senior club level. By comparison, the numbers in those counties who will stay with their clubs until they reach that level will be considerably higher.
IIRC, the technogabble used in the report was "Underrepresentation." There just aren't enough places at the top to accommodate the numbers further down the line so many will drop out.
I'd go further and say that the work done by Dublin clubs in catering for young children is commendable and little appreciated. Holding onto them in sufficient numbers is a problem. In the process, a considerable amount of time, money and manpower is involved with little positive return.
The rural counterparts of those Dublin kids may not have the same facilities but they will  belong to a large number of different clubs so the likelihood of them staying on until they reach senior level is far higher.
What put me thinking about this underrepresentation problem was what Paraic Duffy had to say when he retired.

In plain terms, he was backing a system that the GAA had found to be flawed 15 or 16 years ago. Like I say, Dublin GAA has a fight on its hands to hold onto to their market share, never mind increasing it but concentrating on coaching kids who are already club members doesn't seem a good idea to me.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 26, 2018, 10:48:50 AM
Dublin North won the Leinster School A Hurling Title last week. Probably gone under the radar, but there was also a Dublin South in the competition. A Dublin team last won it in 2008 when a combined Dublin Colleges team won it.

With all this money being spent and with the schools prepared to go North and South surely inevitable that the clubs will follow suit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on February 26, 2018, 10:53:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 26, 2018, 10:48:50 AM
Dublin North won the Leinster School A Hurling Title last week. Probably gone under the radar, but there was also a Dublin South in the competition. A Dublin team last won it in 2008 when a combined Dublin Colleges team won it.

With all this money being spent and with the schools prepared to go North and South surely inevitable that the clubs will follow suit.

Starting team was made up from 11 different schools and cannot represent beyond leinster, there were 16 different schools represented in the panel
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 26, 2018, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: tippabu on February 26, 2018, 10:53:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 26, 2018, 10:48:50 AM
Dublin North won the Leinster School A Hurling Title last week. Probably gone under the radar, but there was also a Dublin South in the competition. A Dublin team last won it in 2008 when a combined Dublin Colleges team won it.

With all this money being spent and with the schools prepared to go North and South surely inevitable that the clubs will follow suit.

Starting team was made up from 11 different schools and cannot represent beyond leinster, there were 16 different schools represented in the panel

How many different clubs were represented and how would this compare to say St Kierans?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on February 26, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Amalgamated teams at school level are a total nonsense. Shouldn't be allowed at all. What's the point of A, B and C grades so?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 26, 2018, 11:00:45 AM
They are Dublin they do what they want ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: LooseCannon on February 26, 2018, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 26, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Amalgamated teams at school level are a total nonsense. Shouldn't be allowed at all. What's the point of A, B and C grades so?
Agreed, our schools set up is an absolute disgrace, they were deservedly beaten by Marist. It shows that we're gone back a long way. The Marist essentially beat Offaly minus one school, whose team comprises mostly of lads from Kildare and Meath.  Gallen CS won the All-Ireland B a couple of years ago, but wouldn't enter the A competition.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 13, 2018, 05:00:00 PM
Belfast the next powerhouse of Football? ?

http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-launches-initiative-support-gaelic-games-belfast/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on April 13, 2018, 06:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 13, 2018, 05:00:00 PM
Belfast the next powerhouse of Football? ?

http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-launches-initiative-support-gaelic-games-belfast/

Unlikely, Dublin were already a powerhouse when they got their money. Antrim Has a lot more to do.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kidder81 on April 13, 2018, 11:00:29 PM
Couldn't rely on Antrim to spend it well
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: orangeman on April 15, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
This money is for Belfast only ?.

I didn't realise either that Belfast has a population of over 600,000 people.

It's great to see Belfast getting this investment and hopefully we'll see the results in a few years time.



https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0413/954305-gaa-belfast-investment/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: snoopdog on April 15, 2018, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on April 15, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
This money is for Belfast only ?.

I didn't realise either that Belfast has a population of over 600,000 people.


It's great to see Belfast getting this investment and hopefully we'll see the results in a few years time.



https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0413/954305-gaa-belfast-investment/

Not solely Antrim either. Few Down clubs in Belfast also.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on April 17, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0417/955205-gaa-dg-ryan-insists-hes-not-just-a-numbers-man/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0417/955205-gaa-dg-ryan-insists-hes-not-just-a-numbers-man/)

The GAA's new director general Tom Ryan has rejected suggestions his tenure will have a financial focus and believes that having worked within the organisation previously means he will be better placed to oversee changes.

Speaking to the media in ASCII code for the first time since succeeding Páraic Duffy, Carlow native Ryan told RTÉ Sport he felt that that criticism from certain quarters was premature and that he should be judged on his actions in the job.

"111000011100000001010101001010001010000010010111001100101100100101011001001010010," he said. "100000000010101010010101010101001001011100110010100101001010010."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html)

Well done Dublin GAA!!

Amateur sport my hole!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Laoiseabu on May 08, 2018, 04:35:03 PM
There is more people living in Belfast alone than the whole of county cork . You'd think Antrim and Down would be stronger .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:38:53 PM
Don't forget New York and London.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on May 08, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 17, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0417/955205-gaa-dg-ryan-insists-hes-not-just-a-numbers-man/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0417/955205-gaa-dg-ryan-insists-hes-not-just-a-numbers-man/)

The GAA's new director general Tom Ryan has rejected suggestions his tenure will have a financial focus and believes that having worked within the organisation previously means he will be better placed to oversee changes.

Speaking to the media in ASCII code for the first time since succeeding Páraic Duffy, Carlow native Ryan told RTÉ Sport he felt that that criticism from certain quarters was premature and that he should be judged on his actions in the job.

"111000011100000001010101001010001010000010010111001100101100100101011001001010010," he said. "100000000010101010010101010101001001011100110010100101001010010."

That's Binary..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on May 08, 2018, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 08, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 17, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0417/955205-gaa-dg-ryan-insists-hes-not-just-a-numbers-man/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0417/955205-gaa-dg-ryan-insists-hes-not-just-a-numbers-man/)

The GAA's new director general Tom Ryan has rejected suggestions his tenure will have a financial focus and believes that having worked within the organisation previously means he will be better placed to oversee changes.

Speaking to the media in ASCII code for the first time since succeeding Páraic Duffy, Carlow native Ryan told RTÉ Sport he felt that that criticism from certain quarters was premature and that he should be judged on his actions in the job.

"111000011100000001010101001010001010000010010111001100101100100101011001001010010," he said. "100000000010101010010101010101001001011100110010100101001010010."

That's Binary..

:)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2018, 06:36:24 PM
I thought it was the amount if money Dublin get from  GAA HQ annually😊
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on May 08, 2018, 08:44:21 PM
Sure the Dubs have loads of money, but are they happy?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 09, 2018, 04:20:15 AM
I see Kerry are set follow Dublin, Wexford and Limerick in appointing a full time Commercial Manager
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kerry-set-to-appoint-new-fundraising-chief-470221.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/kerry-set-to-appoint-new-fundraising-chief-470221.html)

I believe Donegal advertised for a position a while back, Tipperary report recently recommends one. Its seems to be the way things are going. Would be interesting to see how teams with differ with from those without in terms of results.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 09, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 08, 2018, 08:44:21 PM
Sure the Dubs have loads of money, but are they happy?

Very.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 09, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html)

Well done Dublin GAA!!

Amateur sport my hole!

Sure everything is fine.  The cash cow keep the coffers healthy at HQ.

So pipe down minions.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on May 09, 2018, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html)

Well done Dublin GAA!!

Amateur sport my hole!

It's not even amateur at club level.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 09, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(

That's unfortunate with Mayo's all of Ireland fan base.

Money arrives in different ways for different purposes, Mayo received an additional €5 million grant from Croke Park for the redevelopment of McHale Park. Nice money if you can get it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on May 09, 2018, 01:23:21 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(

And yet Tony McEntee and Buckley are there for the love of the game..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: joemamas on May 09, 2018, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 09, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(

That's unfortunate ( Stupid, narrow-minded, paranoid, fear of delegating power)would describe it better with Mayo's all of Ireland fan base.

Money arrives in different ways for different purposes, Mayo received an additional €5 million grant from Croke Park for the redevelopment of McHale Park. Nice money if you can get it.

That's unfortunate ( Stupid, narrow-minded, paranoid, fear of delegating power)would describe it better with Mayo's all of Ireland fan base.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 01:26:04 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 09, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(

That's unfortunate with Mayo's all of Ireland fan base.

Money arrives in different ways for different purposes, Mayo received an additional €5 million grant from Croke Park for the redevelopment of McHale Park. Nice money if you can get it.

It's all about submitting plans that are good enough.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 09, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.

Mayo should have had one for the last 5 years, baffling decision not to take advantage of this team and that you've a huge diaspora around the world. It's a far more difficult job when the team isn't reaching All Ireland Finals.

Galway did have one but he left to join Connacht Rugby and hasn't been directly replaced from what I can gather.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 09, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Mayo seem to be going alright.

Total Income 2017 : €3,333,824

Total Expenditure 2017 : €3,130,549

Surplus for the year : €203,275

Great detail and breakdown of costs etc, if only every county board published accounts available to the public.

http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)
http://mayogaa.com/content_page/18068/ (http://mayogaa.com/content_page/18068/)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on May 09, 2018, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 09, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Mayo seem to be going alright.

Total Income 2017 : €3,333,824

Total Expenditure 2017 : €3,130,549

Surplus for the year : €203,275

Great detail and breakdown of costs etc, if only every county board published accounts available to the public.

http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf (http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf)
http://mayogaa.com/content_page/18068/ (http://mayogaa.com/content_page/18068/)

...and club
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on May 09, 2018, 02:09:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 09, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(

That's unfortunate with Mayo's all of Ireland fan base.

Money arrives in different ways for different purposes, Mayo received an additional €5 million grant from Croke Park for the redevelopment of McHale Park. Nice money if you can get it.

There was no grant. We're just making the repayments to croke park instead of the bank. It's still costing us over 30k per month.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 09, 2018, 02:51:12 PM
there is some mention/figure of McHale park and interest to Croke Park in their report.

According to the Independent - 19/12/2017 article by Colm Keys

Dublin's overall income was €4,481,063 with expenditure of €4,364,154.

Looks as if Mayo are only a million behind in terms of income! wow!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/16m-from-sponsors-offsets-rising-costs-of-dublin-teams-36420098.html)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on May 09, 2018, 06:33:47 PM
I'd love to see the true costs counties put into teams. All these figures that go about regarding counties, in Dublin, tipp, Galway, cork how much of it goes to the football teams and how much towards the hurling teams. I know we had both senior teams away at fota island last weekend. With these 4 counties especially you have both teams playing at reasonably high standards. Compare that with mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, how much of the teams expenditure figures go towards each of their county hurling teams?

Last year the ones I'd like to focus on would be for example is all mayo just over 1.5m and limerick just over 1.1m. It's fair to say neither would be overly worried about hurling or football in limericks case. Compare that to galway almost 1.3m and tipp just over 1m who would both have reasonably good football teams as well as the best hurling teams. You'd imagine the majority would be going towards their hurlers but take Wicklow, 2nd lowest spenders, they're funds would primarily be going on football and they spend almost 400k on their team. If tipp were spending 600k on the hurlers then that's 400k on the footballers being 2nd lowest in the country.

Sorry if this is all over the place and could be completely wrong, just something I was thinking
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on May 09, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: mup on May 09, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html)

Well done Dublin GAA!!

Amateur sport my hole!

Sure everything is fine.  The cash cow keep the coffers healthy at HQ.

So pipe down minions.



Kildare went through a few bob in their time - not too much to show for it though.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 09, 2018, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 09, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: mup on May 09, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html)

Well done Dublin GAA!!

Amateur sport my hole!

Sure everything is fine.  The cash cow keep the coffers healthy at HQ.

So pipe down minions.



Kildare went through a few bob in their time - not too much to show for it though.

Another Dub programmed to deflect.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 09, 2018, 09:34:20 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 09, 2018, 07:35:01 PM


Kildare went through a few bob in their time - not too much to show for it though.

The Kildare supporters club when headed up by Michael Osbourne was successful at raising funds 30 years ago and by getting Micko was successful in taking Kildare out of the doldrums but I don't see how that is relevant these days when local businessmen would have more interest in rugby or golf. When there is no prospect or hope of success it is hard to get going. Maybe a B championship might change everything.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on May 09, 2018, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: mup on May 09, 2018, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 09, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: mup on May 09, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 08, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaa-and-aig-agree-new-fiveyear-sponsorship-deal-36885688.html)

Well done Dublin GAA!!

Amateur sport my hole!

Sure everything is fine.  The cash cow keep the coffers healthy at HQ.

So pipe down minions.



Kildare went through a few bob in their time - not too much to show for it though.

Another Dub programmed to deflect.

(https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-man-deflect-low-graph-483197161.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 10, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/call-for-gaa-chiefs-to-level-the-financial-playing-field-in-leinster-470465.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on May 10, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
QuoteAccording to a recent report Dublin have received €16,612,847 in coaching and development grants in the past decade and a half while Laois have picked up €864,376.

Fair play to the Examiner, they bring this up every so often , the above quote is from today, the below quotes are from last March


QuoteIn the period 2007-2017, Dublin received €16.6m in direct coaching assistance, €15.4m more than Cork, the next highest county, and €15.8m more than Galway (€784,077).

Connacht in its entirety collectively received €3.1m.


QuoteMost clubs across Dublin receive subsidies of around €15,000 to €20,000 towards the employment of club coaches, which in turn help clubs drive large membership incomes.


Another source of funding for Dublin clubs is the use of the Clubhouse for social functions. I played a junior match in the Thomas Davis club (on one of their fields) on a Sunday morning and by the time our match was finished the clubhouse was full for one of those sky "super sunday" days. I was told that it's the same every Sunday during the year. Clean up operation here in Dublin.











Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 10, 2018, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: highorlow on May 10, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
QuoteAccording to a recent report Dublin have received €16,612,847 in coaching and development grants in the past decade and a half while Laois have picked up €864,376.

Fair play to the Examiner, they bring this up every so often , the above quote is from today, the below quotes are from last March


QuoteIn the period 2007-2017, Dublin received €16.6m in direct coaching assistance, €15.4m more than Cork, the next highest county, and €15.8m more than Galway (€784,077).

Connacht in its entirety collectively received €3.1m.


QuoteMost clubs across Dublin receive subsidies of around €15,000 to €20,000 towards the employment of club coaches, which in turn help clubs drive large membership incomes.


Another source of funding for Dublin clubs is the use of the Clubhouse for social functions. I played a junior match in the Thomas Davis club (on one of their fields) on a Sunday morning and by the time our match was finished the clubhouse was full for one of those sky "super sunday" days. I was told that it's the same every Sunday during the year. Clean up operation here in Dublin.
What's a clubhouse?
Dressing rooms and a small meeting room and that's it for our club
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on May 10, 2018, 12:11:31 PM
QuoteWhat's a clubhouse?
Dressing rooms and a small meeting room and that's it for our club

The massive red thing in the picture in the article here from 2015 that happens to be about tax payers funds allocation to Dublin GAA clubs.


http://www.echo.ie/news/article/local-gaa-clubs-in-south-dublin-benefit-from-over-800000-funds-allocation


QuoteThomas Davis will use its funding toward the construction of a ground floor and first floor extension to its clubhouse which will include a tuck shop, a new sports treatment room and extended lounge and games room – planning permission was granted in June.





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 10, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/call-for-gaa-chiefs-to-level-the-financial-playing-field-in-leinster-470465.html

That doesn't include the 1m per year Sports Council Grant.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on May 10, 2018, 01:43:41 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on May 09, 2018, 02:09:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 09, 2018, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 09, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Mayo were going to have a commercial manager. Nothing happened about it though.
the county board says they could not afford to hire one. :(

That's unfortunate with Mayo's all of Ireland fan base.

Money arrives in different ways for different purposes, Mayo received an additional €5 million grant from Croke Park for the redevelopment of McHale Park. Nice money if you can get it.

There was no grant. We're just making the repayments to croke park instead of the bank. It's still costing us over 30k per month.
30k a month, for how many years?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 10, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
On the financial report it says

"Loan Interest McHale Park to Croke Park for 2017 was €164,596 - 2017
for 2016 €169,095"

must be running at circa €12/€15,000 a month perhaps?

"have seen an article saying Mayo make payments of somewhere in the region of €33,000 per month over the next 29 years tho"

Under Schedule 2 it has
Sponsorship €537,445 for 2017

AIG's Dublin is around €800,000 a year.  (5mil over 4 yrs)

Still pretty good for Mayo with the sponsorship if all correct!



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on May 10, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 10, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
On the financial report it says

"Loan Interest McHale Park to Croke Park for 2017 was €164,596 - 2017
for 2016 €169,095"

must be running at circa €12/€15,000 a month perhaps?

"have seen an article saying Mayo make payments of somewhere in the region of €33,000 per month over the next 29 years tho"

Under Schedule 2 it has
Sponsorship €537,445 for 2017

AIG's Dublin is around €800,000 a year.  (5mil over 4 yrs)

Still pretty good for Mayo with the sponsorship if all correct!

Though I have little in the way of financial nous, that looks to be about 3.5% interest on the €5m
And €33k a month sounds about right for a 20year loan on those terms.

Croke Park must regard Mayo to be a low risk investment :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 10, 2018, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 10, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 10, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
On the financial report it says

"Loan Interest McHale Park to Croke Park for 2017 was €164,596 - 2017
for 2016 €169,095"

must be running at circa €12/€15,000 a month perhaps?

"have seen an article saying Mayo make payments of somewhere in the region of €33,000 per month over the next 29 years tho"

Under Schedule 2 it has
Sponsorship €537,445 for 2017

AIG's Dublin is around €800,000 a year.  (5mil over 4 yrs)

Still pretty good for Mayo with the sponsorship if all correct!

Though I have little in the way of financial nous, that looks to be about 3.5% interest on the €5m
And €33k a month sounds about right for a 20year loan on those terms.

Croke Park must regard Mayo to be a low risk investment :)

HQ's bail out has saved them 15,000 euro's a month. They were paying the Ulster Bank 48,000 a month.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 11, 2018, 02:07:08 AM
Anyone know how much the Kerry Group deal is worth to Kerry
doesnt seem to be anything out in the public domain that i can find,
on their website they say the Kerry group donated 1 million euros
towards the centre of excellence. Friends of Kerry 700k.

A lot of talk about Leitrim only getting 20k for the jersey sponsorship.
In light of what Dublin/AIG deal is 800k a year, Mayo appear to be 537k for last year,

Anyone know Kerrys deal or others?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 11, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 11, 2018, 02:07:08 AM
Anyone know how much the Kerry Group deal is worth to Kerry
doesnt seem to be anything out in the public domain that i can find,
on their website they say the Kerry group donated 1 million euros
towards the centre of excellence. Friends of Kerry 700k.

A lot of talk about Leitrim only getting 20k for the jersey sponsorship.
In light of what Dublin/AIG deal is 800k a year, Mayo appear to be 537k for last year,

Anyone know Kerrys deal or others?

Shush, only Dublin's money matter, nobody else cares about Kerry Group or Leitrim's direct neighbours Mayo.

Expenditure, shush.

The only comparison ignorant people use is Dublin V Leitrim.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
Leitrim doesn't border Mayo.
But then again if ye get nearly all ye're matches at home ya wouldn't be too hot on geography  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on May 11, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 11, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 11, 2018, 02:07:08 AM
Anyone know how much the Kerry Group deal is worth to Kerry
doesnt seem to be anything out in the public domain that i can find,
on their website they say the Kerry group donated 1 million euros
towards the centre of excellence. Friends of Kerry 700k.

A lot of talk about Leitrim only getting 20k for the jersey sponsorship.
In light of what Dublin/AIG deal is 800k a year, Mayo appear to be 537k for last year,

Anyone know Kerrys deal or others?

Shush, only Dublin's money matter, nobody else cares about Kerry Group or Leitrim's direct neighbours Mayo.

Expenditure, shush.

The only comparison ignorant people use is Dublin V Leitrim.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You'd need to dust down your 3rd class national School Atlas and educate yourself.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 11, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
Leitrim doesn't border Mayo.
But then again if ye get nearly all ye're matches at home ya wouldn't be too hot on geography  ;D

Provincial neighbours....  8)

Also good one, never heard that one before.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 11, 2018, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 11, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
Leitrim doesn't border Mayo.
But then again if ye get nearly all ye're matches at home ya wouldn't be too hot on geography  ;D

Provincial neighbours....  8)

Also good one, never heard that one before.
there are two counties between Leitrim and Mayo
it'd be like saying Carlow borders Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2018, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 11, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
Leitrim doesn't border Mayo.
But then again if ye get nearly all ye're matches at home ya wouldn't be too hot on geography  ;D

Provincial neighbours....  8)

Also good one, never heard that one before.

Same province, not neighbours.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2018, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 10, 2018, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 10, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 10, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
On the financial report it says

"Loan Interest McHale Park to Croke Park for 2017 was €164,596 - 2017
for 2016 €169,095"

must be running at circa €12/€15,000 a month perhaps?

"have seen an article saying Mayo make payments of somewhere in the region of €33,000 per month over the next 29 years tho"

Under Schedule 2 it has
Sponsorship €537,445 for 2017

AIG's Dublin is around €800,000 a year.  (5mil over 4 yrs)

Still pretty good for Mayo with the sponsorship if all correct!

Though I have little in the way of financial nous, that looks to be about 3.5% interest on the €5m
And €33k a month sounds about right for a 20year loan on those terms.

Croke Park must regard Mayo to be a low risk investment :)

HQ's bail out has saved them 15,000 euro's a month. They were paying the Ulster Bank 48,000 a month.
True but don't forget that the number of months has increased. The loan was re-structured, which is normal practice for loans of a similar nature and Mayo will still have to pay off every cent that was borrowed.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 11, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
Leitrim doesn't border Mayo.
But then again if ye get nearly all ye're matches at home ya wouldn't be too hot on geography  ;D

;D ;D

Now that was embarrassing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 11, 2018, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 11, 2018, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 10, 2018, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 10, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 10, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
On the financial report it says

"Loan Interest McHale Park to Croke Park for 2017 was €164,596 - 2017
for 2016 €169,095"

must be running at circa €12/€15,000 a month perhaps?

"have seen an article saying Mayo make payments of somewhere in the region of €33,000 per month over the next 29 years tho"

Under Schedule 2 it has
Sponsorship €537,445 for 2017

AIG's Dublin is around €800,000 a year.  (5mil over 4 yrs)

Still pretty good for Mayo with the sponsorship if all correct!

Though I have little in the way of financial nous, that looks to be about 3.5% interest on the €5m
And €33k a month sounds about right for a 20year loan on those terms.

Croke Park must regard Mayo to be a low risk investment :)

HQ's bail out has saved them 15,000 euro's a month. They were paying the Ulster Bank 48,000 a month.
True but don't forget that the number of months has increased. The loan was re-structured, which is normal practice for loans of a similar nature and Mayo will still have to pay off every cent that was borrowed.

I see, wasn't aware of that.  It wasn't a dig at Mayo, crazy thinking at the time they could manage repayments of nearly 50,000 a month.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 15, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
Quote from: highorlow on May 10, 2018, 11:43:54 AM

QuoteMost clubs across Dublin receive subsidies of around €15,000 to €20,000 towards the employment of club coaches, which in turn help clubs drive large membership incomes.


Another source of funding for Dublin clubs is the use of the Clubhouse for social functions. I played a junior match in the Thomas Davis club (on one of their fields) on a Sunday morning and by the time our match was finished the clubhouse was full for one of those sky "super sunday" days. I was told that it's the same every Sunday during the year. Clean up operation here in Dublin.
You only get money to hire the coach if the club (i.e. its members) put up 50% of the cash. So saying it drives membership is a bit of a chicken and egg. One of the coaches jobs (probably their main job) is to go to primary schools to encourage the kids to come up and join the club, so it probably does drive membership alright, but you have to put up the money first.

I presume that the same deal is available in every county? If not, then you blame the county board not Dublin
But, as I've said before, I don't think it would work in most counties, even sharing between 2/3 clubs. You have this young lad or girl, maybe 24 or 25, who have done their coaching courses but wouldnt be a patch on a lot of the actual current coaches in every club who do it for nothing. So most of the time they're just let coach the 4 to 8 year olds before they join a team (which is the real advantage Dublin have, as we have loads of those, many the sons/daughters of non-Dubs).

And also they'll do a "train the trainer" type of job to help parents who want to look after their son/daughter's team. Very basic stuff, but useful nonetheless to get people started. But the paid coaches are absolutely not let near the elite lads or adult first teams, because in the vast majority of cases they're simply not yet good enough for that level.

The clubhouse thing getting used for social functions is hardly a Dublin only thing? The one's in good locations get good footfall and takings. The one's in out of the way locations get feck all. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lone Shark on May 17, 2018, 04:46:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 15, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
I presume that the same deal is available in every county? If not, then you blame the county board not Dublin

Of course not. For example, if that deal was available in Offaly and every club took them up on it, the cost would be around 80% of the county's total budget for the year - with the best will in the world, most counties aren't in the position to subsidise 20% of the cost of a dedicated GPO for a club, never mind 50%. How is that Offaly's fault?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 17, 2018, 05:03:09 PM
Big difference between clubs with 1,000 population if even that in their area and ones with 25,000 to 50,000.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: LooseCannon on May 17, 2018, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2018, 05:03:09 PM
Big difference between clubs with 1,000 population if even that in their area and ones with 25,000 to 50,000.
Unfortunately, we've some with less than half of that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
Clubs could share a full time or part time coach between 4/5 Clubs for 6/7 months a year
If there was matching funding...

Would be a good way to give gaa players employmernt
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blast05 on May 17, 2018, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 11, 2018, 02:07:08 AM
Anyone know how much the Kerry Group deal is worth to Kerry
doesnt seem to be anything out in the public domain that i can find,
on their website they say the Kerry group donated 1 million euros
towards the centre of excellence. Friends of Kerry 700k.

A lot of talk about Leitrim only getting 20k for the jersey sponsorship.
In light of what Dublin/AIG deal is 800k a year, Mayo appear to be 537k for last year,

Anyone know Kerrys deal or others?

Mayo's total sponsorship was 537K.
Dublins total (i.e.: AIG plus the 10 or so others) is almost 1.5 million
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2018, 11:45:35 PM
Quote

There's a story Keith Barr once told, the sort that'd fall within the lazily low and all-encompassing claws of the word disgrace these days. Ignore such pigeon-holing though for the tale adds a steely backbone to the legend of yesteryear.

It was the mid-1990s; a hardened Dublin team refusing to loosen their grip; a young and green Kildare side frantically trying to rise up. Heading into the dressing rooms in Croke Park at half-time one championship game, Barr made it in first and was busy chewing on a sugared orange when he realised no one was joining him. So he popped his head out the door to see chaos in the corridor.

In the midst of a brawl, a Garda from the capital had whipped out a baton and was going after any and all flashes of white. "Well, the game was on in Dublin," laughed the always entertaining Barr.

That was a time before headquarters became home for Dublin's footballers - something that can be clearly dated to the shifting of their annual schedule to Croke Park in 2011 - but it made an important point.

Where you played mattered in GAA as in all sports, for reasons as crazy as Brian Clough the worse for wear one night before a European Cup tie with Benfica deciding to soften the Baseball Ground pitch only to fall asleep and awaken to see he'd created a swimming pool, to intimidation more native to these shores such as referees conscious of being locked in car boots.

However, even in a new and shiny era of both good and bad sanitisation, easier travel, and far fewer unknowns, hosting games still comes with perks. That much can be easily proven. Over the past 10 football championships (2008-2017) 58 per cent of the time the home team have won; over the last seven leagues since Dublin became the best county in the sport (2012-2018) that figure for home wins sits at 57 per cent. That's not to say venue will always change an outcome, but it will have an influence on the scoreline.
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Wicklow manager John Evans with goalkeeper Mark Jackson after the final whistle of the Leinster SFC clash with Offaly on Sunday last. Photo by Piaras Ó Mídheach/Sportsfile

Sadly and unacceptably, it brings us to the latest layer of bias caked onto an already thick wedge of GAA favoritism. Back in October when the draw for this summer was made, the winners of Offaly-Wicklow were penciled down for a home game with Dublin. Had Offaly won it would be in O'Connor Park; that Wicklow have won has seen the Leinster Council predictably tear up the script and say no to Aughrim. It's brutal and ruthless deja vu, and the danger is we accept such wrong based on commonality.

In 2016 for instance, when Dublin were to have all of one entire game that wasn't at home, it wasn't away either as Laois were told O'Moore Park, after a €1m upgrade, wasn't up to the travelling crowds. Although after it was moved to Nowlan Park just a smidgen over 16,000 showed. Yet last year when Carlow earned a home tie with Dublin, O'Moore Park was suddenly suitable.

There's a great mask here of the GAA making it up as they go along, and this rouse of cluelessness is what they are hiding behind as it is better than the ugly alternative. But why else would every decision happen to benefit the county that makes them most. Coincidence?

The fixture issue, like most others, isn't the fault of Dublin in any shape or form and that's an unfortunate conflation and mistake. But it is on the GAA, again dribbling like a teenage boy in the presence of the class beauty, all in a shameless show of cash-hungry elitism. It's so bad that before an outing Wicklow are admitting defeat in, they are left publicly begging for their basic rights. Indeed their statement this week was a sign that football hasn't reached the cliff edge, it's long gone over the precipice.

"The gap between these two on the field is clearly massive but off the field Wicklow has many passionate followers and also a generation of young people who needed to see the best ever GAA team at first hand in Joule Park. Wicklow needs these youngsters to be inspired, to dream that they too some day may have a day like this in their careers. Wicklow needed a Dublin to come to Joule Park, the local economy would love it too... The Wicklow players of today also deserved the reward of home venue, being part of the first Wicklow team to face the reigning All Ireland champions in a championship game is an honour. They have worked hard under John Evans and his management team against all the odds to get some recognition for their efforts."

Someone should have reminded them this Trumpian GAA despises its own poor and most hard up.

Would Dublin still win if playing in Aughrim? Of course, but don't confuse a result with an advantage within that result. Given they haven't actually been asked to play an away game of summer football since 2006, we don't have an away record to compare their results against. But in the league we do and it's there, since 2012, that they've averaged 1.61 points per home game (28 wins and two draws in 36 matches) but away that drops to 1.22 points per game (12 wins and four draws, in 23 matches).

It's a trend that carries on into the average score category. During Croke Park league games in that time it's 19.9-14.2 in favour of Dublin, a 5.7-point win. When they play away it's reduced down to 14.6-13.4, just a 1.2-point win. In essence location has been worth 4.5 points.

This though goes beyond just who wins and loses, and on down some far more important avenues. Consider that just weeks back a host of problems came before the Wicklow County Board. Less than a dozen kids initially showed up for a meet and greet with the senior team before their championship opener; one club in a part of the country with a booming population folded; another two amalgamated; EGMs were held over clubs not being able to field full teams; an adult game was 14-a-side with no subs.

The place is perhaps the GAA's poorest relation, all the while having massive potential, and what playing at home does is give the next generation the chance to see what big-time is. It also pumps money into the local economy, increasing the likelihood of some of that money coming full circle and going back into supporting local games.

That has now been wrenched from an area that needs it most, but it's the hypocrisy of the GAA that's most galling. After all, their excuse for 15 seasons of pumping Dublin full of levels of money entire provinces weren't receiving was a need to up participation. Some are more equal than others and this is the clearest proof yet.

The association – this time via the Leinster Council – have said the game cannot be in Aughrim due to contractual obligations around Dublin season ticket holders. That may be the case now, but it's a scenario that ought to have been factored in when coming up with a concept that is for the most part a fine idea. Yet either overlooking or allowing an element that meant that the most powerful county with the most advantages would get one more, via rarely playing away, was either bias or idiocy. The GAA tells us these days it's a business – in a business neither is good enough.

Still, a Leinster Council spokesperson said this week: "The Slattery report puts the capacity in Aughrim at 7,000 and there were 13,500 at the Dublin-Carlow match in Portlaoise. Season ticket holders are also guaranteed a seat at matches and there are 3,000 in Dublin but only 2,000 seats in Aughrim. The overriding reason though is that last year the Leinster Management Committee decided that Dublin could realistically play championship in only four grounds in the province: Croke Park, O'Moore Park (Portlaoise), O'Connor Park (Tullamore) and Nowlan Park (Kilkenny)." What that means is only two of the 10 other Leinster counties can ever play Dublin at home.

Yet in what other sport would the ruling authorities punish the home team because the opposition has a certain amount of season ticket holders? Can you imagine the outrage in and credibility of the Premier League if Bournemouth's hosting of Manchester United was scratched? Can you imagine the outrage in and credibility of the Six Nations if Ireland's hosting of England was taken out of Lansdowne Road due to foreign demand and it being the smallest venue in the tournament?

The purpose of your home game isn't supposed to be around accommodating all the away team's supporters, nor should you be forced to forfeit home games due to another county having a large population. In this case, if Wicklow cannot fit the season ticket holders of Dublin in, tough. Should counties with tiny Croke Park handouts and without the opportunity to gain big sponsorship be forced to go into debt to build facilities they don't need so they can be allowed what was promised to them?

It's absurd but it would seem that way, and at this stage if the GAA won't take their blue-ribboned event seriously, neither should you. Boycott, for the only thing that grabs the attention of those that base all choices on money is to hit their wallets.

Over the last 10 Leinster campaigns, the number of home games versus games played works out like this. Westmeath 6/21; Offaly 5/12; Longford 4/14; Laois 4/17; Carlow 3/13; Wicklow 3/14;  Louth 2/19; Wexford 1/19; Meath 1/25; Kildare 0/23. Some will rightly argue that a major part of this is the number of neutral fixtures as they largely lack home-and-away agreements, but as a counter, we've omitted one statistic from the list.  Across the same time, without such agreements, Dublin have played 27 of their 29 matches at home, and none away, meaning they play 93 per cent of their games in their back yard. The average across the rest is a mere 16 per cent.

To help strengthen that contrast, while the best team in the province haven't been told to play an away game in 12 years and counting, arguably the second best, Kildare, haven't been home since 1995.

For now though the rest of the country don't care, as it's less bothersome to say the east is a foregone conclusion thus this doesn't matter. Fast forward a few months to the Super Eights and their tune will change. There, while all counties are due one home game, Dublin already are down for two and if they draw the right opposition as their away day, sources say it could be Croke Park too.

A piss-up in a brewery springs to mind but we're told not to concern ourselves. This is literally the GAA's bottom line.

Hello Ewan.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on May 18, 2018, 12:17:40 AM
He isn't wrong. He is a cruel bastard to dogs though by keeping a brachycephalic pug in the heat of Brazil.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on May 18, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
While his overall point is correct, are the venues not decided by the Leinster Council?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM
Yes blast05 commerical income is around that for Dublin, with Mayo total income 3.3 million.

https://www.killarneytoday.com/kerry-team-expenses-almost-e1m/ (https://www.killarneytoday.com/kerry-team-expenses-almost-e1m/)

"With an income of €4.23 million – up from €2.68 million in 2013 – it is clear that the finance committee
of the Kerry County Board had a very busy year.

http://hoganstand.com/Dublin/article/index/279324 (http://hoganstand.com/Dublin/article/index/279324)

Overall income for the year was €4,481,063 and expenditure was €4,364,154.

So in 2013 Kerrys total income was €4.23 million
In 2017 Dublin's total income was €4.48 million

Was Kerry's income up that year because of a donation of a million in that year for the centre of excellence
or could/do Kerry actually take in more total income than Dublin each year (I would be shocked!)
Any figures for 2017 anyone?

For the change of venue if they are decided by Leinster Council could the GAA Central Council change it back if
they wanted to or what? The Central Council are part of the GAA and the Leinster Council are too but they are not each other right?!

I must read more into the GAA Towards 2034 report which says

"Provincial Councils will be replaced by new administrative hubs called Regional Councils with regions to be decided by agreed criteria such as population size and geographical proximity."

It must be a tough gig running the GAA at the top, as someone said before too many mini Republics/empires to deal with.
If the Leinster Championship is around in a few years I guess you could have Dublin playing Meath or Kildare in their newly
built 16K & 21k stadia. Seems like the GAA are fighting a war in Dublin against other sports, a lot of resources put that way eh!?
Would it be in the interest of the GAA to lose the fight in Dublin to other sports? I wonder what Ewan McKenna do if he was in charge

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 18, 2018, 08:00:19 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM
Yes blast05 commerical income is around that for Dublin, with Mayo total income 3.3 million.

https://www.killarneytoday.com/kerry-team-expenses-almost-e1m/ (https://www.killarneytoday.com/kerry-team-expenses-almost-e1m/)

"With an income of €4.23 million – up from €2.68 million in 2013 – it is clear that the finance committee
of the Kerry County Board had a very busy year.

http://hoganstand.com/Dublin/article/index/279324 (http://hoganstand.com/Dublin/article/index/279324)

Overall income for the year was €4,481,063 and expenditure was €4,364,154.

So in 2013 Kerrys total income was €4.23 million
In 2017 Dublin's total income was €4.48 million

Was Kerry's income up that year because of a donation of a million in that year for the centre of excellence
or could/do Kerry actually take in more total income than Dublin each year (I would be shocked!)
Any figures for 2017 anyone?

For the change of venue if they are decided by Leinster Council could the GAA Central Council change it back if
they wanted to or what? The Central Council are part of the GAA and the Leinster Council are too but they are not each other right?!

I must read more into the GAA Towards 2034 report which says

"Provincial Councils will be replaced by new administrative hubs called Regional Councils with regions to be decided by agreed criteria such as population size and geographical proximity."

It must be a tough gig running the GAA at the top, as someone said before too many mini Republics/empires to deal with.
If the Leinster Championship is around in a few years I guess you could have Dublin playing Meath or Kildare in their newly
built 16K & 21k stadia. Seems like the GAA are fighting a war in Dublin against other sports, a lot of resources put that way eh!?
Would it be in the interest of the GAA to lose the fight in Dublin to other sports? I wonder what Ewan McKenna do if he was in charge

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

If they are not careful they will lose the fight to other sports in the majority of other counties. I see it happening already.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 09:49:51 AM
For once I agree with Ewan, the match should be Aughrim.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 18, 2018, 10:08:23 AM
Another example of the bigger picture been ignored for a short term gain in the pocket, the same mistakes made over and over again when it comes to promotion of our games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

There are 12 counties in Leinster, it's a collective issue and Dublin are very much part of the decision making process. The counties have been told to value economics above all other considerations by the GAA, it's a capitalist competition. See what I did there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 18, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

There are 12 counties in Leinster, it's a collective issue and Dublin are very much part of the decision making process. The counties have been told to value economics above all other considerations by the GAA, it's a capitalist competition. See what I did there.

But Dublin could be easily outvoted if the other counties had the balls to stand together. But they don't. And it's someone else's fault. The Dubs and the GAA ganging up on everyone to ensure the Dubs win everything  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2018, 10:23:53 AM
Good points well made by Ewan.

The Association is in freefall but as long as the € continue to come in they dont seem to give a flying f**k.

Once the € starts to dry up it will be too late to stop the rot
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

There are 12 counties in Leinster, it's a collective issue and Dublin are very much part of the decision making process. The counties have been told to value economics above all other considerations by the GAA, it's a capitalist competition. See what I did there.

But Dublin could be easily outvoted if the other counties had the balls to stand together. But they don't. And it's someone else's fault. The Dubs and the GAA ganging up on everyone to ensure the Dubs win everything  ::)

You are being sanctimonious.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

I will travel to watch the Dubs anywhere but if I was to miss out on a ticket so Wicklow could host a home game so be it. For me its more about Wicklow than the Dubs.

It was great to be in Parnell park last week for the hurling, It really felt like a home game, our turf, good atmosphere, close to the pitch, tight. If only it could be extended to 15K somehow. Rather play there than a half empty Croker or half empty Nolan park or Portlaoise

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 18, 2018, 11:23:58 AM
Another giant cashing in
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/galway-cash-in-with-new-2m-deal-as-they-join-big-guns-in-commercial-league-36919376.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 18, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

There are 12 counties in Leinster, it's a collective issue and Dublin are very much part of the decision making process. The counties have been told to value economics above all other considerations by the GAA, it's a capitalist competition. See what I did there.

But Dublin could be easily outvoted if the other counties had the balls to stand together. But they don't. And it's someone else's fault. The Dubs and the GAA ganging up on everyone to ensure the Dubs win everything  ::)

Outvoted on what?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on May 18, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: mup on May 18, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

There are 12 counties in Leinster, it's a collective issue and Dublin are very much part of the decision making process. The counties have been told to value economics above all other considerations by the GAA, it's a capitalist competition. See what I did there.

But Dublin could be easily outvoted if the other counties had the balls to stand together. But they don't. And it's someone else's fault. The Dubs and the GAA ganging up on everyone to ensure the Dubs win everything  ::)

Outvoted on what?

On where fixtures are played. And he's right about that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 18, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 18, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: mup on May 18, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on May 18, 2018, 07:35:17 AM

Agree with Ewan, game should be played at Aughrim

It's not like Ewan has come up with this! You're agreeing with everyone. Apart from the Leinster Council.

When you think that Wicklow has hardly won a game in the last 20 years, that they still have created this image that Aughrim is a fortress, it's quite amazing! And a shame that the Dubs haven't been sent there.

Of course if it had been put in Aughrim, the Dublin County Board would have had to come out and request it be moved to a bigger ground to ensure better availability for their fans, and I'm sure they would have put up a better effort than Wicklow County Board has done in trying to move it to Aughrim (John Evans has certainly done his best in the couple of interviews I've heard with him, although there's has been the "lost cause" element to his complaint, so I don't think he got much help from Wicklow CB).

And Dublin could have been told, "Yeah, we hear yah, it's not ideal, but them's the breaks, so suck it up".

But the Leinster Council didn't go there.

A problem (I guess) is the other 11 Leinster counties are all trying to do what's best for themselves, increase their own coffers, rather than helping each other.

There are 12 counties in Leinster, it's a collective issue and Dublin are very much part of the decision making process. The counties have been told to value economics above all other considerations by the GAA, it's a capitalist competition. See what I did there.

But Dublin could be easily outvoted if the other counties had the balls to stand together. But they don't. And it's someone else's fault. The Dubs and the GAA ganging up on everyone to ensure the Dubs win everything  ::)

Outvoted on what?

On where fixtures are played. And he's right about that.

So what were they actually voting on?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 12:00:38 PM
I think one vote a couple of years ago was to take Dublin out of Croker park, 11 to 1 No.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
You do realise that the vote is presented as "If this motion to move Dublin out of Croke Park is Passed" funding available to Leinster Counties will be greatly reduced.

It's an impossible choice for delegates.

So to play individual counties is disingenuous, the problem is the GAA, all of it. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 18, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 12:00:38 PM
I think one vote a couple of years ago was to take Dublin out of Croker park, 11 to 1 No.

Why was there a vote on that?

Was there a vote for Offaly for play all their games at home? Or Wexford hurlers to play all their games at home?

As Dinny alluded to above it's a no win situation. Most CB's outside Dublin are struggling for cash at the moment. What do you expect them to do?

To suggest that its is as simple as a vote iS unfair on each of the CB'S.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on May 18, 2018, 12:32:35 PM
Can't wait until Pairc Tailteann is finished and we never have to play in Croke Park again.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 18, 2018, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
You do realise that the vote is presented as "If this motion to move Dublin out of Croke Park is Passed" funding available to Leinster Counties will be greatly reduced.

It's an impossible choice for delegates.

So to play individual counties is disingenuous, the problem is the GAA, all of it.

But that doesn't fit his point of view though.

When attendances involving Dublin start to dwindle in the next few years which is inevitable if the non competitiveness as expected continues and there's less funding off the back of it then they may have a light bulb moment.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 18, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 18, 2018, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
You do realise that the vote is presented as "If this motion to move Dublin out of Croke Park is Passed" funding available to Leinster Counties will be greatly reduced.

It's an impossible choice for delegates.

So to play individual counties is disingenuous, the problem is the GAA, all of it.

But that doesn't fit his point of view though.

When attendances involving Dublin start to dwindle in the next few years which is inevitable if the non competitiveness as expected continues and there's less funding off the back of it then they may have a light bulb moment.

It's not only competitiveness. There is a cost factor involved too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 18, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
A few more snack boxes being sent our way anyway.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/supermac-s-in-five-year-deal-with-galway-gaa-for-2m-1.3499189 (https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/supermac-s-in-five-year-deal-with-galway-gaa-for-2m-1.3499189)

Supermac's has renewed its sponsorship of Galway GAA for a further five years in a deal understood to be worth €2 million.

The fast-food group began sponsoring Galway hurling in 1991, subsequently becoming the sponsor for all Galway football and hurling.

This deal means Supermac's will sponsor the county's adult and youth intercounty teams in football and hurling until 2022.

Additionally, the Supermac's sponsorship deal extends to Galway camogie and ladies football.

"Galway GAA is delighted that an agreement has been reached and that Supermac's will continue to be the main and exclusive sponsor of all Galway GAA Inter-County Teams. This renewed sponsorship will ensure that Galway Inter-County Teams will be provided with the all of the resources necessary to compete at the highest levels of all National competitions in the years ahead," said Galway county board chairman Pat Kearney.

Pat McDonagh, the managing director of Supermac's, said: "Our sponsorship of the county teams is an important part of our relationship with the GAA but equally as important for us is the sponsorship we provide at local club level.

"It is the connection with supporters via club and county that makes the GAA the special organisation that it is."

Asked whether he considered taking over the sponsorship deal for Dublin, recently renewed by AIG, Mr McDonagh said: "Insurance companies are making too much money at the moment, I couldn't compete with them."

Mr McDonagh's empire includes 107 Supermac's outlets – 34 of them operated by the company with the rest franchised – as well as the Killeshin hotel in Laois, Castletroy Park hotel in Limerick, the Charleville Park in Cork and Lough Rea hotel in Galway.

He also runs motorway service stations and owns the Irish master franchise for Papa John's US fast food brand, as well as a chain of 10 pubs in the midwestern US called Claddagh Irish Pubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 02:01:41 PM
Wo lads, chill out, I just presented a fact, it was voted down 11-1. I am not sure of the wording of the vote.

For info, I am in favour of playing more games outside Croker and giving other counties home advantages. I am also in favour of fairer wealth distribution.

What I am not in favour of is the Dublin bashing at every turn on various different topics and singling out individuals. 

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 18, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 02:01:41 PM
Wo lads, chill out, I just presented a fact, it was voted down 11-1. I am not sure of the wording of the vote.

For info, I am in favour of playing more games outside Croker and giving other counties home advantages. I am also in favour of fairer wealth distribution.

What I am not in favour of is the Dublin bashing at every turn on various different topics and singling out individuals.

So because we asked what did they vote on you suggest we are not chilled out. Ehhh ok.

The majority of people on here are not Dublin bashing. They are Leinster Council bashing. It's your paranoia that thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 03:08:15 PM
Quote from: mup on May 18, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 18, 2018, 02:01:41 PM
Wo lads, chill out, I just presented a fact, it was voted down 11-1. I am not sure of the wording of the vote.

For info, I am in favour of playing more games outside Croker and giving other counties home advantages. I am also in favour of fairer wealth distribution.

What I am not in favour of is the Dublin bashing at every turn on various different topics and singling out individuals.

So because we asked what did they vote on you suggest we are not chilled out. Ehhh ok.

The majority of people on here are not Dublin bashing. They are Leinster Council bashing. It's your paranoia that thinks otherwise.

Actually I am quite to bash those Dublin supporters who refuse to acknowledge that all the advantages bestowed upon them are an actual advantage. And that sadly is the vast majority and Zulu, god bless him :)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on May 19, 2018, 11:27:56 PM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/st-judes-389297 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/st-judes-389297)

;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 19, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
Here ye go folks
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 20, 2018, 10:22:30 AM
Meh! It's all about natural talent. Once in a life time.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mrdeeds on May 20, 2018, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 19, 2018, 11:27:56 PM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/st-judes-389297 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/st-judes-389297)

;)

This is just unreal. Our club just do the analysis at the bar after.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: mup on May 18, 2018, 12:27:16 PM

As Dinny alluded to above it's a no win situation. Most CB's outside Dublin are struggling for cash at the moment. What do you expect them to do?

To suggest that its is as simple as a vote iS unfair on each of the CB'S.

It's not fair or unfair, it is what it is.

Dublin played all their Leinster games in Croker for a number of years (I haven't checked, but it might have been of the order of 10 years in a row). The reasoning for the Leinster Council for fixing all Dublin games in Croker was to maximise the amount of Dubs who would attend which would maximise the gate receipts that get distributed to the Leinster Council.

So then the complaints came about that it was unfair that Dublin got all their games in Croker. Now those complaints came more from outside than inside Leinster, but in any event there was a vote as to whether the Leinster Council would move a game outside Croker.

The choice was simple, move the Dubs outside Croke Park and thus reduce gate receipts and arguably give the opposition a better chance. As mentioned one county voted to move Dublin, so that year Dublin didn't move. That got bad press and the Leinster Council decided to back down and move the Dubs the following year.

Now we are into Year 3, and probably the worst possible outcome as they've fixed neutral games each year rather than home games for Dublin's opponents. So they've reduced gate receipts without increasing the chances of an upset!

While you can argue it's excusable to not move the Dubs because counties are struggling for money, there is no excuse once you have decided to move them for not putting Dublin into actual away games rather than neutral venues. The extra loss re smaller home venue versus medium sized neutral venue would be feck all.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
Here ye go folks
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html

"Last autumn a prominent Dublin GAA club organised a golf classic with a little bit of a difference from the standard event many other clubs run to raise the funds. The entry fee for a team of four was €6,000. They got 30 teams."

You'd wonder why they didn't name the club? The Indo would hardly exaggerate.
My own club's golf classic was €60 a head, with a tenner discount if you were a member of the golf club!

A lad from Judes (who wasn't involved in any way with the refurb other than giving a donation, but this what he'd heard) told me that a benefactor told Judes he'd give them an interest free loan equal to the amount they could raise from members' donations for the refurbishment. The loan is repayable, but over a long period, and obviously without any interest.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on May 20, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
Here ye go folks
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html

"Last autumn a prominent Dublin GAA club organised a golf classic with a little bit of a difference from the standard event many other clubs run to raise the funds. The entry fee for a team of four was €6,000. They got 30 teams."

You'd wonder why they didn't name the club? The Indo would hardly exaggerate.
My own club's golf classic was €60 a head, with a tenner discount if you were a member of the golf club!

A lad from Judes (who wasn't involved in any way with the refurb other than giving a donation, but this what he'd heard) told me that a benefactor told Judes he'd give them an interest free loan equal to the amount they could raise from members' donations for the refurbishment. The loan is repayable, but over a long period, and obviously without any interest.

You're incredibly quick to be defensive and deflective over everything in Dublin GAA. It's only in recent years I've noticed how wilfully in the sand Dublin GAA supporters are. They want their pound of flesh no matter the cost and they'll ignore the means for as long as HQ allows them to.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on May 20, 2018, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
Here ye go folks
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html

"Last autumn a prominent Dublin GAA club organised a golf classic with a little bit of a difference from the standard event many other clubs run to raise the funds. The entry fee for a team of four was €6,000. They got 30 teams."

You'd wonder why they didn't name the club? The Indo would hardly exaggerate.
My own club's golf classic was €60 a head, with a tenner discount if you were a member of the golf club!

A lad from Judes (who wasn't involved in any way with the refurb other than giving a donation, but this what he'd heard) told me that a benefactor told Judes he'd give them an interest free loan equal to the amount they could raise from members' donations for the refurbishment. The loan is repayable, but over a long period, and obviously without any interest.

I remember hearing about the race nights (or race days) Kilmacud Crokes would have where they would absolutely rake in cash.
Might just have been rumours but given the size of the club, and how well-connected they would be it stands to reason they would find it easier than most to raise serious money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 08:30:22 AM
Going after the club game now are we, you will find that the 3 or 4 big south side clubs would have a lot of money, there are many many many struggling clubs in Dublin that don't have facilities or finances,  For example were the Dubs train sometimes in Innis fails in Kinsealy, the facilities are very basic.

I have seen some wonderful club house and facilities around the country that better clubs in Dublin.

What Judes did was get a room an renovate it to put in a few chairs and a tv and make it look nice. I wouldn't imagine it to be at a huge cost.

nitpicking



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 21, 2018, 08:39:32 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 08:30:22 AM
Going after the club game now are we, you will find that the 3 or 4 big south side clubs would have a lot of money, there are many many many struggling clubs in Dublin that don't have facilities or finances,  For example were the Dubs train sometimes in Innis fails in Kinsealy, the facilities are very basic.

I have seen some wonderful club house and facilities around the country that better clubs in Dublin.

What Judes did was get a room an renovate it to put in a few chairs and a tv and make it look nice. I wouldn't imagine it to be at a huge cost.

nitpicking
FFS, it's like a small scale college lecture theatre, hardly just "a few chairs".
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on May 21, 2018, 08:39:32 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 08:30:22 AM
Going after the club game now are we, you will find that the 3 or 4 big south side clubs would have a lot of money, there are many many many struggling clubs in Dublin that don't have facilities or finances,  For example were the Dubs train sometimes in Innis fails in Kinsealy, the facilities are very basic.

I have seen some wonderful club house and facilities around the country that better clubs in Dublin.

What Judes did was get a room an renovate it to put in a few chairs and a tv and make it look nice. I wouldn't imagine it to be at a huge cost.

nitpicking
FFS, it's like a small scale college lecture theatre, hardly just "a few chairs".

Disagree. Perhaps they got in house carpenters, donations etc. Its not a big deal and people making it out to be because they are in Dublin. The wingers from the country.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 21, 2018, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 20, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
Here ye go folks
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html

"Last autumn a prominent Dublin GAA club organised a golf classic with a little bit of a difference from the standard event many other clubs run to raise the funds. The entry fee for a team of four was €6,000. They got 30 teams."

You'd wonder why they didn't name the club? The Indo would hardly exaggerate.
My own club's golf classic was €60 a head, with a tenner discount if you were a member of the golf club!

A lad from Judes (who wasn't involved in any way with the refurb other than giving a donation, but this what he'd heard) told me that a benefactor told Judes he'd give them an interest free loan equal to the amount they could raise from members' donations for the refurbishment. The loan is repayable, but over a long period, and obviously without any interest.

You're incredibly quick to be defensive and deflective over everything in Dublin GAA. It's only in recent years I've noticed how wilfully in the sand Dublin GAA supporters are. They want their pound of flesh no matter the cost and they'll ignore the means for as long as HQ allows them to.

Typical of your garbage, having a go without actually addressing any points in the post you quote. I made a comment about an Indo report about a golf outing and the Jude's refurbishments. Then you come up with your nonsense post which addresses nothing apart from having a go at a poster!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 21, 2018, 10:34:19 AM
I don't have a problem with any fundraising - be it Dublin GAA or Dublin GAA clubs. More power to them I say.

What I do have a problem with is the amount of GAA/Government grants they are getting. And the preferential treatment shown to them by the Leinster Council. That needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2018, 11:45:46 AM
Exactly, there should be means-testing.
The current financial support for Dublin is the equivalent of the woman living on Ailesbury Road heading down to the post-office to collect the children's allowance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

You think Dublin GAA got their funding by lobbying club PROs  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on May 21, 2018, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

Why should I have to 'go about it'? Is it not something the Leinster Council should be doing anyway?

I can't believe you want people to lobby to be treated equally. How far removed are you from reality?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
The hard truth is they are not going to change it unless sufficient pressure is applied. That's what I am trying to say. Media outcry doesn't seem to be enough for them.

Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 21, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

You think Dublin GAA got their funding by lobbying club PROs  ::)
An exaggeration of course, but not a million miles away from how it all started.

It's not like Dublin was given a million euro and told to spend it as you like, maybe give it to Clucko and the boys so they can give up their jobs for the year and concentrate on winning Sam.

Dublin GAA came up with a plan for increasing participation of kids in Dublin in GAA, as participation rates in Dublin weren't great.

The basic funding model in the GAA is Here's what we're going to do, here's what we're going to raise ourselves, here's what we'd like as a contribution. I thought that also applied outside Dublin, but maybe it doesn't, it certainly should and you'd be right to kick up if it doesn't. There should be far more made of clubs/counties who come up with such plans and don't get funded. Those stories really are few and far between.

The story of Limerick footballers been treated so shabbily recently was awful, and that should get a lot of airtime to highlight the inequalities.(Although in that case the manager seems to be putting all blame on Limerick County Board rather than the GAA, but I'm sure there'll be more to come)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 21, 2018, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 21, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
I am in also in favour of more equal wealth distribution. How to fix this issue is at your individual county board levels which you gain contact though your club pros. Leinster council and Croke park need to be lobbied.

How did Antrim get their recent funding plan approved?

Rather flippant.

We should be lobbying our Club Pro's to ask the Leinster Council not to show preferential treatment to Dublin?

I do despair sometimes.

How would you go about it if its not going to change automatically?

lobby club Pro's or post on GAA forum.

You think Dublin GAA got their funding by lobbying club PROs  ::)
An exaggeration of course, but not a million miles away from how it all started.

It's not like Dublin was given a million euro and told to spend it as you like, maybe give it to Clucko and the boys so they can give up their jobs for the year and concentrate on winning Sam.

Dublin GAA came up with a plan for increasing participation of kids in Dublin in GAA, as participation rates in Dublin weren't great.

The basic funding model in the GAA is Here's what we're going to do, here's what we're going to raise ourselves, here's what we'd like as a contribution. I thought that also applied outside Dublin, but maybe it doesn't, it certainly should and you'd be right to kick up if it doesn't. There should be far more made of clubs/counties who come up with such plans and don't get funded. Those stories really are few and far between.

The story of Limerick footballers been treated so shabbily recently was awful, and that should get a lot of airtime to highlight the inequalities.(Although in that case the manager seems to be putting all blame on Limerick County Board rather than the GAA, but I'm sure there'll be more to come)
Lads in Dublin haven't got a clue how the rest of the GAA world works.
There is no funding for anything!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on May 21, 2018, 06:50:39 PM
Arguably centralised funding of every counties mileage, training, medical etc expenses is then only hope I feel to level and perceived imbalances.... that or Kerry group and AIG are sponsors of every county ...

Or both above.... small counties  like leitrim, longford, Roscommon,  Monaghan etc  cannot raise enough to compete  each year ....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on May 21, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
Quote from: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.
So it was Dublin that fixed those games for Nowlan Park, Portlaoise and Portlaoise? And Laois were punished for voting against the Dubs? That's very interesting. I knew the Cats would vote with us, but that explains the other 9. They were afraid of being punished.

And Dubs may not get an away game this year in Super 8 either. There's talk that some counties will not be allowed play at home in Super 8s because their home venue is not up to scratch, and not just because they are playing the Dubs. Be interesting to know who those counties are, Kildare maybe?

If Tyrone got through the back door into the Super 8, they'd probably choose Clones anyway, if you take Sean Cav's pre match comments last week that they prefer playing there over Omagh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
Whispers now that the Hyde won't be allowed host the Connacht Final.
That likely means no home game IF we make the last 8.
All it needs is €100k from HQ but sure we're not important enough.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Blowitupref on May 21, 2018, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
Whispers now that the Hyde won't be allowed host the Connacht Final.
That likely means no home game IF we make the last 8.
All it needs is €100k from HQ but sure we're not important enough.
It hosted the Connacht final 3 years ago and has got a new pitch since then why won't it be allowed to host a Connacht final now?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
Turnstiles, needs a wall to cut off a bar/ clubhouse, access pathways (and possibly a need to play loads of matches in Castlebar >:(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
Turnstiles, needs a wall to cut off a bar/ clubhouse, access pathways (and possibly a need to play loads of matches in Castlebar >:(
Those things weren't needed a few years ago sounds like someone at the top is making up rules as they go along?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 22, 2018, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 22, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 21, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
Turnstiles, needs a wall to cut off a bar/ clubhouse, access pathways (and possibly a need to play loads of matches in Castlebar >:(
Those things weren't needed a few years ago sounds like someone at the top is making up rules as they go along?
You can bet on it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 22, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.

I agree, Dublin should play all games outside of Croker until Leinster final, and at least one away game in Super 8s. All Dublin fans would agree with you. The Dublin players would agree with you, unfortunately Leinster council and Croke Park do not.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on May 22, 2018, 09:13:23 AM
http://www.the42.ie/dublin-croke-park-away-1765053-Nov2014/

No vote breakdown

http://www.the42.ie/dublin-croke-park-2087719-May2015/

Leinster GAA chiefs have an agreement with Croke Park on the use of the stadium that means that at least four of the province's senior championship games must be played there every year.

Dublin boss Jim Gavin admits he was unaware of the agreement.

It's an interesting observation, I wasn't aware of that but from the Dublin football team's perspective, we'll play and we've always played where we're told to play.

"We've had seven games on the road this year, all very enjoyable. We started off in Portarlington, Navan, Newbridge, Cork city, Killarney, Castlebar, Clones...they're great times, you get to spend a lot of time with the players, more so than just turning up and going to a game in Croke Park.

"So there's a lot of advantages to playing away but we'll just play where we're told to play by the Leinster Council or otherwise."

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/leinster-ceo-points-to-cost-of-moving-dublin-games-from-croke-park-1.2399333

when only two of the 12 Leinster counties backed the proposal to bring Dublin to a provincial venue.


etc


etc


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 22, 2018, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 22, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
Quote from: Upforit on May 21, 2018, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on May 21, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
Also see above about delegate votes (11-1), that's why lobbying is required.

11-1. Who was the 1, surely it was Dublin? All their fair and sportsmanlike fans want out of Croke Park don't they? No it wasn't Dublin but Laois! Then when it's decided that the Dubs need a roadtrip what happens? They draw Laois. Can't be giving them a home game though, they voted against the Dubs. So it's moved to Kilkenny. The year after the Dubs draw Carlow, can't play there so they move it to be played in Laois. The place they wouldn't let the game go ahead the year before. Now it's Wicklow that get through but again it's in Laois.
This means that Dublin still haven't played a championship game away from home since 2006. 12 years. So they're playing a game away from home later in the year. But only 1! Their other 2 games are at home. Just think about it for a secend, every single championship game at home for 12 years. That is crazy. What's makes it worse is that this isn't even the biggest scandal involving Dublin.

I agree, Dublin should play all games outside of Croker until Leinster final, and at least one away game in Super 8s. All Dublin fans would agree with you. The Dublin players would agree with you, unfortunately Leinster council and Croke Park do not.
if there's a funding shortfall in Leinster due to less games in Croker then just reduce Dublin's allocation
problem solved
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 22, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
Job anyone?

https://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1708596 (https://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1708596)

Commercial And Communications Officer – Leinster GAA

Job Description
Leinster GAA is the Provincial Council of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) sports of hurling, Gaelic football, rounders and handball in the province of Leinster.

Role/Purpose:

Responsible for the development and implementation of all Public Relations (PR), Media and Commercial related strategies for Leinster GAA to cover all major events, and to raise the profile of the Provincial Council.

Candidates interested in the above role can apply by submitting an up to date cover letter and Curriculum Vitae to by 3pm on Monday, 28th May 2018.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on May 22, 2018, 01:59:13 PM
On the Leinster Council's website Financial Statements
on Gate Receipts for 2017 - http://leinstergaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2018/01/Leinster-Accounts-1.pdf (http://leinstergaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2018/01/Leinster-Accounts-1.pdf)

3rd June Carlow vs Dublin at Portlaoise - €173,507
(Attendance: 13,238)

25th June semi final - Dublin vs Westmeath - €473,870
(Attendance: 33,370)

Leinster football final - Dublin vs Kildare - €1,413,595 
(Attendance: 66,734)



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 23, 2018, 07:38:11 AM
Home Advantage and remember Dublin have played 27 of their last 29 games at home, 2 at a neutral venue and none away.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/home-comforts-not-just-all-in-the-mind-471000.html?&session=1V+aGZ9bqYFtN5EzX+YqyjDMKkl1T7ZsaY/mF2SbLaE= (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/home-comforts-not-just-all-in-the-mind-471000.html?&session=1V+aGZ9bqYFtN5EzX+YqyjDMKkl1T7ZsaY/mF2SbLaE=)

QuoteLast Monday, our new columnist Brian Gavin gave a vivid glimpse into the pressures championship hurling can place on a referee as well as touching upon an under-appreciated dynamic at play this summer.


Looking ahead to next Sunday when Ennis stages its first Munster senior hurling championship game in 25 years, Gavin opined that Clare, especially coming off an opening-game loss in Cork, would "be a different animal" for the visit of Waterford.

"The crowd there will be very vocal," Gavin predicted.

"I won't say they're intimidating but Paud O'Dwyer will get their opinion every time and it's the claustrophobic-type of place where the referee has to stand up for himself."

Gavin was commenting after a weekend's Liam MacCarthy hurling in which all four home teams won.

Combine that with the previous weekend's action when Dublin raised their game at home to scare, though not quite beat, Kilkenny and 67% of the games so far have been won by the home side.

Such a win rate is merely a matter of league form holding through to championship. As we outlined a couple of weeks ago in a championship preview piece about the joys of home advantage, 67% of the points going from all the Division 1A hurling games played since the turn of this decade (2010-18) were claimed by the home side.

In championship, the sample size was clearly much smaller, not least because most games have heretofore been played on neutral ground: For instance, every Clare-Waterford clash in Munster these past 30 years has been staged in either Limerick, or more frequently, Thurles. Yet in the 14 Munster championship games from 2010 to 2017 where there was an identifiable home team, they won 71% of the time.

It's hardly a phenomenon peculiar to hurling. From 1993 to 2009, 63% of English Premier League soccer matches were won by the home side; in La Liga, 65%; in Serie A, 67%.

If you think teams win at home because of crowd support, you'd be right — just not for the reason you think.

In Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports Are Played and Games Are Won, finance professor Tobias Moskowitz and Sports Illustrated's John Wertheim undertook a comprehensive review of the literature on home advantage in team sports.

From 1990 to 2010, the free-throw shooting percentage of NBA away teams — who had to contend with all those giant wagging fingers and cardboard cut-out models being frantically waved within their line of vision — was 75.9% — precisely the same as it was for the home side that was free of such distraction antics.

"When athletes are at home, they don't seem to hit or pitch better in baseball, shoot free throws better in basketball, slap goals better in hockey shootouts or pass better in [American] football," Moskowitz and Wertheim deduced.

"The home crowd doesn't appear to be helping the home team or harming the visitors."

Yet if home teams were winning so consistently, there had to be a reason for it. More than familiarity of the venue, logistics, and travel, 'official bias' was proven to be the most significant contributor to home advantage.

It goes without saying

that officials don't intend to be biased. But being human, they invariably, subconsciously, are.

The phenomenon was first proven by an unlikely trainspotter, a grandmother in Spain, who for decades religiously watched and recorded Sunday evening La Liga matches, making a note of the amount of injury time played by the officials over the course of those 750-plus games.

Her son, a professor at the London school of economics, came across her log and found that in close games with the home team ahead by a goal, the average injury time was barely two minutes.

If the home team trailed by a goal, the injury time awarded was four minutes. When the sides were level and it was uncertain if playing more or less added time assisted the home team, the average injury time was three minutes.

When there was two or more goals between the teams, there was no bias at all; what ref wants to be perceived to be a blatant homer?

In the NFL, they found that in close games when the officials' decisions really mattered — and the crowd was really involved — home teams used to enjoy a healthy 12% advantage in recovering fumbles. But upon the advent of instant replay, that advantage simply evaporated.

So what's at play here? A phenomenon called 'influence conformity'.

Back in 1955, social psychologist Solomon Asch conducted an experiment in which he asked participants to look at two cards. On Card One was a solitary line.

On Card Two were three lines of varying length, but one of which was the same length as the one on Card One.

Asch planted actors into the group and their insistence that a line considerably shorter than the one common to both cards swayed the naive minority. When interviewed afterwards, the participants admitted they went along with the majority for fear of being ridiculed or considered
'peculiar', underlining the tendency of humans to conform because they want to fit in and believe the majority is better informed than they are.

Naturally, the same applies to match officials. "When humans are faced with enormous pressure," observe Moskowitz and Wertheim, "like making a crucial call with a rabid crowd yelling a few feet away, it is natural to want to alleviate that pressure.

    "By making snap-judgement calls in favour of the home team, referees, whether they consciously appreciate it or not, are relieving some of that stress.

They may also be taking a cue from the crowd when trying to make the right call, especially in an uncertain situation. Even if it's subconsciously, the crowd's reaction may provide a useful signal that changes their perception."

Interestingly, Moskowitz and Wertheim have found that the larger the home crowd, the more 'influence conformity' is in effect.

Does that apply in Gaelic Games? Academically, there is no research yet but anecdotally, there is the obvious case of the most famed supporters section and terrace in GAA — the Boys in Blue on Hill 16.

Think of the marginal calls in recent years. Johnny Cooper's flying kick on Diarmuid O'Connor in the 2015 All- Ireland drawn semi-final in front of the Hill when Joe McQuillan showed him only a yellow card.

The drawn All- Ireland final when Denis Bastick picked the ball straight off the ground from Stephen Cluxton's kickout after Cillian O'Connor's brilliant equaliser; had it been down by the Hill in front of an army of Mayo fans, would Mayo's famine continue or would Conor Lane have made the call the rulebook says he technically should have?

In the replay, Lee Keegan was shown black for a foul in front of a baying Hill when, earlier on, Maurice Deegan displayed only a yellow card to John Small at the other end for a hand-trip on Andy Moran.

Last September had Dublin instead of Mayo that penalty claim down by the Hill midway through the second half, would McQuillan have just waved play on, just like David Gough did upon Kevin McManamon's 'challenge' on Kerry's Peter Crowley in the 2016 semi-final?

As a study by Nevell and Holder concluded, "Clearly it only takes two or three crucial decisions to go against the away team or in favour of the home team to give the side playing at home the 'edge'," so you'd have to think influence conformity has won the Dubs a decision and an All-Ireland here and there.

There is likely a degree of influence conformity at work in this year's hurling championship.

Last Sunday Limerick hadn't a card dished out to them all day but as Gavin pointed out in his column, Seamus Hickey should have been shown yellow for persistent fouling like Tipperary's Donagh Maher was for the same offence; right there, as the Moskowitz and Wertheim research suggests, Limerick's chances of winning increased a further 2%. While they were clearly the better team all day, the outcome was still in the balance when Brendan Maher shipped a late foul but no free or card was issued as James McGrath let play continue while Maher lay on the ground.

In Cork, Gavin pointed out that Sean Cleere had a fine game. But had Patrick Horgan's flick to Conor Lehane for a goal been in front of a Clare crowd in Ennis, could Cleere's umpires have been persuaded the ball had gone out of play?

As our championship preview place illustrated, Clare have the best home record in hurling, winning 81% of their home league games these past five seasons.

But what makes Sunday so fascinating is that their visitors are the best road team in hurling.

In Waterford, Derek McGrath's men have won only 41% of their home games against current Liam MacCarthy counties these past five seasons, which indicates the unavailability of Walsh Park is no bad thing. But their away record over the same time span is 63%. Kilkenny are the only other county to have won more than they've lost in enemy territory.

In that same Examiner championship preview supplement, Tony Browne spoke of his experiences of playing in Cusack Park and how it can feel as if the Clare crowd "are on top of you, strangling you".

But to pre-empt that, he advised Waterford:

    "Don't let these guys get on top early on and allow their crowd into it: Tear into them from the start."

The research suggests it's the way to go. In the NBA a road team has only a 37% chance of winning but if they're ahead at the end of the first quarter, their chances of success jumps to 58%.

Better Waterford try that rather than rely on O'Dwyer "standing up for himself" late on in a tight game. He's only human after all, vulnerable like everyone to the power of influence conformity and the baying of the maddening crowd.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/1009034009513521152 (https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/1009034009513521152)

More signs the penny is dropping, too late mind imho.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 19, 2018, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/1009034009513521152 (https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/1009034009513521152)

More signs the penny is dropping, too late mind imho.

It's certainly too late for Kildare this year - though it's hard to see what advantages could be thrown Kildare's way that would address their current plight.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 19, 2018, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/1009034009513521152 (https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/1009034009513521152)

More signs the penny is dropping, too late mind imho.

It's certainly too late for Kildare this year - though it's hard to see what advantages could be thrown Kildare's way that would address their current plight.

Address the point made by Kieran Cunningham and not the usual boring Kildare deflection. Not one Dublin support can articulate a defence.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
and the Dubs will win their away game as well. Great team who were beaten in Croke Park by Kerry for years and Meath and...  and Tyrone and Armagh a number of times in the last decade. Grow a set and beat them instead of hiding behind excuses...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
and the Dubs will win their away game as well. Great team who were beaten in Croke Park by Kerry for years and Meath and...  and Tyrone and Armagh a number of times in the last decade. Grow a set and beat them instead of hiding behind excuses...

Rubbish!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
and the Dubs will win their away game as well. Great team who were beaten in Croke Park by Kerry for years and Meath and...  and Tyrone and Armagh a number of times in the last decade. Grow a set and beat them instead of hiding behind excuses...

Rubbish!

ah man! you can do better than that  :-[
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
and the Dubs will win their away game as well. Great team who were beaten in Croke Park by Kerry for years and Meath and...  and Tyrone and Armagh a number of times in the last decade. Grow a set and beat them instead of hiding behind excuses...

Rubbish!

ah man! you can do better than that  :-[

I don't have the energy for sarcasm..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
and the Dubs will win their away game as well. Great team who were beaten in Croke Park by Kerry for years and Meath and...  and Tyrone and Armagh a number of times in the last decade. Grow a set and beat them instead of hiding behind excuses...

Rubbish!

ah man! you can do better than that  :-[

I don't have the energy for sarcasm..

I've seen Kildare beat Dublin in Croke Park, is a while ago but I was there. Yis shoulda won Sam in '98 that was a good team. Unlucky fell away second half. Not being sarcastic, it was great Kildare team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 05:01:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2018, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
and the Dubs will win their away game as well. Great team who were beaten in Croke Park by Kerry for years and Meath and...  and Tyrone and Armagh a number of times in the last decade. Grow a set and beat them instead of hiding behind excuses...

Rubbish!

ah man! you can do better than that  :-[

I don't have the energy for sarcasm..

I've seen Kildare beat Dublin in Croke Park, is a while ago but I was there. Yis shoulda won Sam in '98 that was a good team. Unlucky fell away second half. Not being sarcastic, it was great Kildare team.
Just before the Dublin development project began to be bankrolled
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 06:36:40 PM
Do the Dublin lads on here think its fair that Dublin have essentially 2 home games in the super 8s and everyone else only gets 1??? Before someone jumps on me for being anti-dub i know a few Dub fans that dont want the 2 home games.In all honesty Dublin could have 3 away games and still win the all ireland but they know it will devalue an all ireland win.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ardtole on June 19, 2018, 06:49:09 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 06:36:40 PM
Do the Dublin lads on here think its fair that Dublin have essentially 2 home games in the super 8s and everyone else only gets 1??? Before someone jumps on me for being anti-dub i know a few Dub fans that dont want the 2 home games.In all honesty Dublin could have 3 away games and still win the all ireland but they know it will devalue an all ireland win.

I think the fairest and easiest option is to give all teams including Dublin  a home game, an away game and a game at a neutral venue.7
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 19, 2018, 06:56:37 PM
But but but....poor oul Dublin have to play 2 "neutral" venue games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 06:58:08 PM

I think the fairest and easiest option is to give all teams including Dublin  a home game, an away game and a game at a neutral venue.7
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Agree 100% but either Croke Park is the dubs home ground or it isnt.It cant be the home ground this week but a neutral ground the following week
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on June 19, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
It can be when the only god Croke Park know is the almighty Euro.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 19, 2018, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 06:36:40 PM
Do the Dublin lads on here think its fair that Dublin have essentially 2 home games in the super 8s and everyone else only gets 1??? Before someone jumps on me for being anti-dub i know a few Dub fans that dont want the 2 home games.In all honesty Dublin could have 3 away games and still win the all ireland but they know it will devalue an all ireland win.

They don't fecking Care! Why should they? Would you care if you were winning Championship after Championship on you own home turf? It costs the fans little or nothing in terms of time and money to go to these games. Why would they give this up? Why would the team turn their back on such an advantage as home games? Only a fool would give up all the financial benefits they inherit!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 07:10:55 PM


They don't fecking Care! Why should they? Would you care if you were winning Championship after Championship on you own home turf? It costs the fans little or nothing in terms of time and money to go to these games. Why would they give this up? Why would the team turn their back on such an advantage as home games? Only a fool would give up all the financial benefits they inherit!
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Because their good enough to do it without these benefits.I think a lot of dubs want this team to go on to be seen as the best ever.This simply wont happen if their winning a farce of a championship that blatantly favours 1 team over everyone else
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
 :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 19, 2018, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 07:10:55 PM


They don't fecking Care! Why should they? Would you care if you were winning Championship after Championship on you own home turf? It costs the fans little or nothing in terms of time and money to go to these games. Why would they give this up? Why would the team turn their back on such an advantage as home games? Only a fool would give up all the financial benefits they inherit!

Because their good enough to do it without these benefits.I think a lot of dubs want this team to go on to be seen as the best ever.This simply wont happen if their winning a farce of a championship that blatantly favours 1 team over everyone else
[/quote]

They will go down as the greatest of all time and probably are there now, however there will always be an asterisk after their achievements due to the financial doping and favourable treatment they have received from the GAA. Dublin fans know this and hate it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....

At last a voice of sense
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 10:53:15 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....
It's not the point
The last time they were in Longford they barely got out
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 19, 2018, 10:57:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 10:53:15 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....
It's not the point
The last time they were in Longford they barely got out

That was an era of a competitive Leinster championship, them days are never returning.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 10:53:15 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....
It's not the point
The last time they were in Longford they barely got out

So how many Leinster champ games or indeed all Ireland quarters since 2011 do you think they would have lost if not in Croker????
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....

So expecting fairness and the same rules applying for all teams is straw clutching???? Dont think they would have lost any pre semi final games but its not the point.Mayo and Kerry were sent to limerick for a semi final.Why cant the dubs be taken out of their comfort zone for their neutral game like everyone else will be????
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
Its beyond straw clutching .

It's classic eternal loser mindset of trying to make excuses for the winning team .....

It's an annual snorefest which was never mentioned between 1995 and 2011 by most...

Ewan McKenna wannabes
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:08:16 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
Its beyond straw clutching .

It's classic eternal loser mindset of trying to make excuses for the winning team .....

It's an annual snorefest which was never mentioned between 1995 and 2011 by most...

Ewan McKenna wannabes

So you think its fair that dublin get 2 home games while everyone else gets 1????
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 19, 2018, 11:09:26 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Do people really deep down honestly believe that  this  Dublin  team would have lost any of their matches pre semi final in the last few years outside of Croker

Straw clutching I feel by those dreaming of Dublin losing matches.....
What a nonsense argument.
Donegal will probably beat fermanagh on Sunday no matter where its played so we may as well play it in ballybofey.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
Its beyond straw clutching .

It's classic eternal loser mindset of trying to make excuses for the winning team .....

It's an annual snorefest which was never mentioned between 1995 and 2011 by most...

Ewan McKenna wannabes

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:19:13 PM

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...
[/quote]

So its fair that dublin get 2 home games and everyone else gets 1?????
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
Its beyond straw clutching .

It's classic eternal loser mindset of trying to make excuses for the winning team .....

It's an annual snorefest which was never mentioned between 1995 and 2011 by most...

Ewan McKenna wannabes
There was no backdoor until 2001

Nor millions of funding for the Dublin development plan which wasn't offered to one other county
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 19, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
Its beyond straw clutching .

It's classic eternal loser mindset of trying to make excuses for the winning team .....

It's an annual snorefest which was never mentioned between 1995 and 2011 by most...

Ewan McKenna wannabes

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...
The rest of the GAA counties have also funded all the development work in Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:22:19 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:19:13 PM

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...

So its fair that dublin get 2 home games and everyone else gets 1?????
[/quote]
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?
[/quote]

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford
[/quote]

If only objections are on the GAA Board and not from county players is fair enough to use what is in effect national stadium as far as Gaelic games go. What isn't fair is Dublin have the best players  :'(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford

If only objections are on the GAA Board and not from county players is fair enough to use what is in effect national stadium as far as Gaelic games go. What isn't fair is Dublin have the best players  :'(
[/quote]


And all the advantages :-\ :-\.I must really have hit a nerve when ye keep deflecting from a simple question
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford

If only objections are on the GAA Board and not from county players is fair enough to use what is in effect national stadium as far as Gaelic games go. What isn't fair is Dublin have the best players  :'(
[/b]

And all the advantages :-\ :-\.I must really have hit a nerve when ye keep deflecting from a simple question
[/quote]

I answered the question. I dont think it's unfair. My turn... when will Mayo grow a set and win an All Ireland.. yes in Croke Park as Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal did beating Dubs on the way?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford

If only objections are on the GAA Board and not from county players is fair enough to use what is in effect national stadium as far as Gaelic games go. What isn't fair is Dublin have the best players  :'(
[/b]

And all the advantages :-\ :-\.I must really have hit a nerve when ye keep deflecting from a simple question

I answered the question. I dont think it's unfair. My turn... when will Mayo grow a set and win an All Ireland.. yes in Croke Park as Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal did beating Dubs on the way?
[/quote]

Probably not any time soon.Our chance has come and gone but ive accepted it.I just hope that when we do win it we will win it fair and square and dont have the rest of the country accusing us of financial doping and HQ giving us all home games on the way just to help us out.We mightnt have an all ireland in years but all yours since 2011 are tainted and it sickens ye to admit it ;)
Goodnight
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 20, 2018, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford

If only objections are on the GAA Board and not from county players is fair enough to use what is in effect national stadium as far as Gaelic games go. What isn't fair is Dublin have the best players  :'(
[/b]

And all the advantages :-\ :-\.I must really have hit a nerve when ye keep deflecting from a simple question

I answered the question. I dont think it's unfair. My turn... when will Mayo grow a set and win an All Ireland.. yes in Croke Park as Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal did beating Dubs on the way?

Probably not any time soon.Our chance has come and gone but ive accepted it.I just hope that when we do win it we will win it fair and square and dont have the rest of the country accusing us of financial doping and HQ giving us all home games on the way just to help us out.We mightnt have an all ireland in years but all yours since 2011 are tainted and it sickens ye to admit it ;)
Goodnight
[/quote]

:D I'm from Tyrone, it's just that I'm not a begrudger regarding the Dubs. We went into their back yard in the last decade with a great team and beat them. Now like other teams we aren't good enough. No excuses. Hats off to a great Dublin team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 20, 2018, 07:47:42 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 20, 2018, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 19, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford

If only objections are on the GAA Board and not from county players is fair enough to use what is in effect national stadium as far as Gaelic games go. What isn't fair is Dublin have the best players  :'(
[/b]

And all the advantages :-\ :-\.I must really have hit a nerve when ye keep deflecting from a simple question

I answered the question. I dont think it's unfair. My turn... when will Mayo grow a set and win an All Ireland.. yes in Croke Park as Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal did beating Dubs on the way?

Probably not any time soon.Our chance has come and gone but ive accepted it.I just hope that when we do win it we will win it fair and square and dont have the rest of the country accusing us of financial doping and HQ giving us all home games on the way just to help us out.We mightnt have an all ireland in years but all yours since 2011 are tainted and it sickens ye to admit it ;)
Goodnight

:D I'm from Tyrone, it's just that I'm not a begrudger regarding the Dubs. We went into their back yard in the last decade with a great team and beat them. Now like other teams we aren't good enough. No excuses. Hats off to a great Dublin team.
[/quote]
What year?
Tyrone had a conveyor belt of minor and U21 winners on those squads
Same as Dublin now
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 20, 2018, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:19:13 PM

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...

So its fair that dublin get 2 home games and everyone else gets 1?????
[/quote]

Playing Dublin in Castlebar hasn't done much good for Mayo in recent years. If you're not good enough you're not good enough.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 09:37:55 AM
The fact that people that argue that Dublin playing at home is no advantage shows they are either incredible stupid or just wind-up merchants. There is no argument!

Here's a recent article from Kiernan Shannon on it..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-home-comforts-not-just-all-in-the-mind-471000.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-home-comforts-not-just-all-in-the-mind-471000.html)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on June 20, 2018, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 20, 2018, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:19:13 PM

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...

So its fair that dublin get 2 home games and everyone else gets 1?????

Playing Dublin in Castlebar hasn't done much good for Mayo in recent years. If you're not good enough you're not good enough.
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Think championship football is the topic here, not league football being played at the tail end of winter. Do they say home advantage is worth a couple of points? Dublin win the last couple by the bare minimum, imagine these games had been played in Castlebar or even Limerick, Cork or Thurles.....

With the introduction of the Super 8's, if Dublin / Mayo reached the final again:

              Home Games        Away Games
Dublin            4                          1
Mayo             1                          4

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 20, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Counties love playing in Croke Park? Has any complained yet?

its not up to the counties to complain.A level playing field should be a given with a national competition.So il ask for a third time is it fair that Dublin get 2 home games in what is essentially a league format for the super 8s while other counties only get 1??? Its like Man utd playing every game at old trafford
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A more apt comparison would be Spurs playing the FA Cup semi final this season in Wembley, which was their home venue, when it was supposed to be neutral. Likewise they would have played the FA Cup final at their home venue had they got there.

Dublin play their home games in the national stadium. This happens in a number of countries in the soccer world. In NFL there's always a chance a team could have home advantage in the SuperBowl, although I don't think it's ever happened. It certainly has happened that a team has had home advantage in the soccer and rugby European Cup finals.

Do you think the All Ireland final should be moved out of Croke Park?
Do you think the All Ireland semi finals should be moved out of Croke Park?
I believe that there's never been an All Ireland quarter-final played by a Leinster champion that was not played in Croke Park.

The situation was Dublin played 3/3 in Croker from QF to Final. Now it would be 4/5. Not sure how anyone can argue that gives Dublin more of a home advantage than previously?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 12:08:32 PM
If Dublin had to play Kerry in Thurles and Mayo in Castlebar would the odds be greater, less or the same than if they got play both in Croke Park?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2018, 11:54:42 AM


A more apt comparison would be Spurs playing the FA Cup semi final this season in Wembley, which was their home venue, when it was supposed to be neutral. Likewise they would have played the FA Cup final at their home venue had they got there.

Dublin play their home games in the national stadium. This happens in a number of countries in the soccer world. In NFL there's always a chance a team could have home advantage in the SuperBowl, although I don't think it's ever happened. It certainly has happened that a team has had home advantage in the soccer and rugby European Cup finals.

Do you think the All Ireland final should be moved out of Croke Park?
Do you think the All Ireland semi finals should be moved out of Croke Park?
I believe that there's never been an All Ireland quarter-final played by a Leinster champion that was not played in Croke Park.

The situation was Dublin played 3/3 in Croker from QF to Final. Now it would be 4/5. Not sure how anyone can argue that gives Dublin more of a home advantage than previously?

Ok, where to start. Spurs played an open draw as to venues until the semi finals of the FAcup. Spurs are temporary residents of Wembley, they will be just getting used to playing there when they will be moving out.  The 3/3 and 4/5 example is wishey washey. you still get 3 more games at home out of the last 5 games than any other competing county. The two important knock out game are at home and Dubllin are the only county to play against the Provincial winner at home.

Do I think the semi-finals should be moved out of Croke Park? Well yes! If you are going to ask a stupid question.

The Superbowls and European Cup examples are flukes when a team end up with home advantage and are one off's!

Are you saying the present system is fair?

Are you saying home advantage holds no weight in deciding a fixture?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
Whats the latest with the land Dublin County Board were looking to buy? From memory they were outbid buy a developer who couldn't get planning but then were reported to be back in talks but not heard anything about it recently.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 20, 2018, 12:42:28 PM
Longballin is a Tyrone man and I am s rossie vexiled  in Limerick yet we can  see Dublins championship success is down to panel quality not location of games....

And I believe if Dublin had to play Mayo in Castlebar  the result would be the same every time.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 12:51:58 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 20, 2018, 12:42:28 PM
Longballin is a Tyrone man and I am s rossie vexiled  in Limerick yet we can  see Dublins championship success is down to panel quality not location of games....

And I believe if Dublin had to play Mayo in Castlebar  the result would be the same every time.....

We'll never know because it's not a fair competition!!!! Are you that sucked in by the "if you are good enough" cliched nonsense...all statistical analysis across all sports points to home advantage in tight games especially evenly match teams.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 20, 2018, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 12:08:32 PM
If Dublin had to play Kerry in Thurles and Mayo in Castlebar would the odds be greater, less or the same than if they got play both in Croke Park?
Taking Mayo first, when we play in AI semi or final in Croker with a 50/50 split of tickets, then I honestly believe home advantage doesn't count on the scoreboard as the Mayo lads are well used to the surroundings and the support of both teams in the ground is equally voiceferous. Our "home advantage" is much more pronounced in terms of preparation and training, rather than match itself when playing Mayo.

So playing Mayo in Castlebar, with a 50/50 ticket allocation would not give Mayo an added advantage. If it was a home game like in the premier league, with 80/20 split in tickets in favour, then for sure Mayo's chances of winning would increase.

Croke Park can certainly be intimidating to some teams, and that could definitely be an advantage Dublin has as being so used to the surroundings, but Mayo are one team that wouldnt be in any way fazed by that.  Kerry shouldn't be either given their young lads have all won All Irelands at underage recently, although time may tell.

You will remember that Dublin played Kerry in Thurles in an AI QF some years back. That was at a time when Dublin were intimidated playing in Croker and weren't as good a team as Kerry, so were big enough underdogs. We put in a super performance in Thurles, well outplayed Kerry, but didn't get over the line (bizarrely Dessie and Collie both missed literal open goals). In the replay both teams played more to their previous form lines and Kerry won handy enough. If the games had been played in Croker, I honestly believe Kerry would have come out on top, maybe more comfortably.

At the moment there's probably a 50% chance our away game will be in Cork. That will certainly give them an increased chance given they wouldn't have played a huge amount of games in Croker in the last 2 or 3 years and importantly they'll have a lot more support in Pairc Ui Chaoimh than they would in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 20, 2018, 12:42:28 PM
Longballin is a Tyrone man and I am s rossie vexiled  in Limerick yet we can  see Dublins championship success is down to panel quality not location of games....

And I believe if Dublin had to play Mayo in Castlebar  the result would be the same every time.....

Nobody doubts the result, but it is made more secure with home advantage!

Also it's not fair on travelling fans! Dubs have no expenses here?

It's not fair on rural businesses. Last years Quarter final replay should have been in Roscommon!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2018, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 12:08:32 PM
If Dublin had to play Kerry in Thurles and Mayo in Castlebar would the odds be greater, less or the same than if they got play both in Croke Park?
Taking Mayo first, when we play in AI semi or final in Croker with a 50/50 split of tickets, then I honestly believe home advantage doesn't count on the scoreboard as the Mayo lads are well used to the surroundings and the support of both teams in the ground is equally voiceferous. Our "home advantage" is much more pronounced in terms of preparation and training, rather than match itself when playing Mayo.

So playing Mayo in Castlebar, with a 50/50 ticket allocation would not give Mayo an added advantage. If it was a home game like in the premier league, with 80/20 split in tickets in favour, then for sure Mayo's chances of winning would increase.

Croke Park can certainly be intimidating to some teams, and that could definitely be an advantage Dublin has as being so used to the surroundings, but Mayo are one team that wouldnt be in any way fazed by that.  Kerry shouldn't be either given their young lads have all won All Irelands at underage recently, although time may tell.

You will remember that Dublin played Kerry in Thurles in an AI QF some years back. That was at a time when Dublin were intimidated playing in Croker and weren't as good a team as Kerry, so were big enough underdogs. We put in a super performance in Thurles, well outplayed Kerry, but didn't get over the line (bizarrely Dessie and Collie both missed literal open goals). In the replay both teams played more to their previous form lines and Kerry won handy enough. If the games had been played in Croker, I honestly believe Kerry would have come out on top, maybe more comfortably.

At the moment there's probably a 50% chance our away game will be in Cork. That will certainly give them an increased chance given they wouldn't have played a huge amount of games in Croker in the last 2 or 3 years and importantly they'll have a lot more support in Pairc Ui Chaoimh than they would in Croke Park.

So after all the fudging, Theresa May would be proud, and a reference to 2001 when Croke was not Dublin's home ground therefore completely irrelevant, you concede that it would harder for Dublin to have to play Castlebar and Thurles. See it's not that hard to admit Croke is an advantage. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on June 20, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
If home advantage doesn't matter then why are the Dubs not being magnanimous and and offering to go sightseeing around the country come championship time and super 8's especially.


FWIW, in the Munster round robin Clare are the only team to record an away victory in 10 games. Waterford had no home games and two at neutral venues and only managed to record one draw. Cork in theory won away to Waterford but the game was in Thurles.

In Leinster between the three main contenders only Galway won away in Wexford, every other result between them, Wexford and Kilkenny went to the home team.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 20, 2018, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 19, 2018, 11:19:13 PM

Absolutly! Go in and beat them as teams did for years till this great team came along. Excuses excuses...

So its fair that dublin get 2 home games and everyone else gets 1?????

Playing Dublin in Castlebar hasn't done much good for Mayo in recent years. If you're not good enough you're not good enough.
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Typical deflection.Keep your head buried in the sand
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 20, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
A pity GAA wouldn't take Dublin out of Croke Park more so supporters wouldn't have to travel so far to see their county get beat by this great team.. though the begrudgers would move to another excuse.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 20, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
A pity GAA wouldn't take Dublin out of Croke Park more so supporters wouldn't have to travel so far to see their county get beat by this great team.. though the begrudgers would move to another excuse.

There wouldnt be any excuse if the flagship competition was played fairly with the same rules applying for everyone.If Dublin were playing kerry in their 3rd game with winner take all do you think kerry have a better chance in thurles or croker???
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on June 20, 2018, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 20, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
A pity GAA wouldn't take Dublin out of Croke Park more so supporters wouldn't have to travel so far to see their county get beat by this great team.. though the begrudgers would move to another excuse.

Ahh, enter 'the bigger man'........What do you think the vast majority of of non-Dubs are begrudging exactly? Or is it a case of posters pointing out how unfair the current system is, yet Dubs will do cope carlies on the keyboard rather than admit that the championship is unfair, both to the competing teams and travelling supporters. And this is more than a great Dublin 'team'...check out the differences in starting linesup from 2011 and the current lineup...what we're dealing with here is much more than a 'great team'.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on June 20, 2018, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 20, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
A pity GAA wouldn't take Dublin out of Croke Park more so supporters wouldn't have to travel so far to see their county get beat by this great team.. though the begrudgers would move to another excuse.

There wouldnt be any excuse if the flagship competition was played fairly with the same rules applying for everyone.If Dublin were playing kerry in their 3rd game with winner take all do you think kerry have a better chance in thurles or croker???

Dubs would beat them anywhere.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 20, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
In Leinster between the three main contenders only Galway won away in Wexford, every other result between them, Wexford and Kilkenny went to the home team.
"Every other result"! There were only 2 other games! Galway would absolutely have beaten KK away and will beat them in Croke Park too.

Do Mayo have a significantly better record playing Galway and Ros at home versus away?
I'm guessing not. When they won their 4 or 5 Connachts in a row it didnt matter where it was, they just won. I presume the last couple of Galway defeats have been at different grounds.

Ros obviously lost to Galway at home this year. They've beaten them away. Is there historically a significant amount more home games won than away games between them? 

There are no complaints about the Ulster final always being in Clones. Though I suppose if Monaghan won 3 or 4 in a row, the unfairness of it all would be called out.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 20, 2018, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
In Leinster between the three main contenders only Galway won away in Wexford, every other result between them, Wexford and Kilkenny went to the home team.
"Every other result"! There were only 2 other games! Galway would absolutely have beaten KK away and will beat them in Croke Park too.

Do Mayo have a significantly better record playing Galway and Ros at home versus away?
I'm guessing not. When they won their 4 or 5 Connachts in a row it didnt matter where it was, they just won. I presume the last couple of Galway defeats have been at different grounds.

Ros obviously lost to Galway at home this year. They've beaten them away. Is there historically a significant amount more home games won than away games between them? 

There are no complaints about the Ulster final always being in Clones. Though I suppose if Monaghan won 3 or 4 in a row, the unfairness of it all would be called out.


Yes let's compare Monaghan and Dublin

Monaghan have place 3 of their last 10 Ulster Championship games at home, 4 at a neutral venue and 3 away.

Dublin have played 8 of their last 10 Leinster Championship game at home, 2 at neutral venues, none away.

In the same period Monaghan played 2 All-Ireland Quarter-finals 1 away, 1 neutral
Dublin played 3 All-Ireland Quarter-finals all at home

Any other comparisons?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 20, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
In Leinster between the three main contenders only Galway won away in Wexford, every other result between them, Wexford and Kilkenny went to the home team.
"Every other result"! There were only 2 other games! Galway would absolutely have beaten KK away and will beat them in Croke Park too.

Do Mayo have a significantly better record playing Galway and Ros at home versus away?
I'm guessing not. When they won their 4 or 5 Connachts in a row it didnt matter where it was, they just won. I presume the last couple of Galway defeats have been at different grounds.

Ros obviously lost to Galway at home this year. They've beaten them away. Is there historically a significant amount more home games won than away games between them? 

There are no complaints about the Ulster final always being in Clones. Though I suppose if Monaghan won 3 or 4 in a row, the unfairness of it all would be called out.

Your missing my point completely so let me clarify.Dublin are a brilliant team who will more than likely win sam again this year even if they played all their games away from croke park.Personally i dont think any team will get withing 5 points of them in croker.Take them out of croker however and i believe that gap tightens to maybe 2 to 3 points.To say every team wants to play in croker is probably correct but dublin players staying at home the night before a game is an advantage that wouldnt be there if they had to travel for their neutral game.The provincials are irrelevant to the point im making here.The super 8s is a league format and even a blind man can see its unfair to let 1 team have 2 home games while everyone else gets 1.Using Mayos home form which is shocking as some sort of deflection from this is a poor argument.Mayo have proven to be a different team in late summer than spring the last few years.If the dubs last game was winner take all in omagh clones longford or wherever outside croker theres a much bigger chance of an upset.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on June 20, 2018, 05:54:48 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 20, 2018, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 20, 2018, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 20, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
A pity GAA wouldn't take Dublin out of Croke Park more so supporters wouldn't have to travel so far to see their county get beat by this great team.. though the begrudgers would move to another excuse.

There wouldnt be any excuse if the flagship competition was played fairly with the same rules applying for everyone.If Dublin were playing kerry in their 3rd game with winner take all do you think kerry have a better chance in thurles or croker???

Dubs would beat them anywhere.

You're basing this on what exactly considering the winning margins (including 2 x own goals 1 year) is usually 1 point, all played at Dublins home? Did you read The Examiner article in the previous page?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 07:41:43 PM
MONOPOLY

It's a Monopoly! They have the Money. They have the infrastructures! They have all their Important games played at home. They are guaranteed a large amounts of fans at their game because all their games are at home. The main media outlets are in Dublin. The main Corporations are in Dublin. They have no debt! They don't need to fund raise. The Super 8 was put in place to give the Dublin Punter more accessible meaningful games. The Super 8 for the bigger squads that can cope with injures, suspensions and fatigue. The GAA openly over support them because they NEED a strong Dublin.

It's great for Dublin GAA. Every level is on a plate. From the full time coaches who are creating this conveyor belt of talent from underage to the players sleeping in their own beds the night before a game to the players having pretend jobs to the supporter getting on a Dart Journey for 15 minutes to get to a match.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on June 20, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 20, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 07:41:43 PM
MONOPOLY

It's a Monopoly! They have the Money. They have the infrastructures! They have all their Important games played at home. They are guaranteed a large amounts of fans at their game because all their games are at home. The main media outlets are in Dublin. The main Corporations are in Dublin. They have no debt! They don't need to fund raise. The Super 8 was put in place to give the Dublin Punter more accessible meaningful games. The Super 8 for the bigger squads that can cope with injures, suspensions and fatigue. The GAA openly over support them because they NEED a strong Dublin.

It's great for Dublin GAA. Every level is on a plate. From the full time coaches who are creating this conveyor belt of talent from underage to the players sleeping in their own beds the night before a game to the players having pretend jobs to the supporter getting on a Dart Journey for 15 minutes to get to a match.

Are you saying Dublin County board pays it players? How can others compete with that.

Ah the dubs are professional footballers bulls**t  comes out again. Left out the fact that on average the east coast of Ireland gets more sunshine than the west coast and that's an unfair advantage as well. Some people (especially mayo people it seems) just can't accept the dubs are better footballers. I honestly think mayo people wouldn't know what to do if they won the all Ireland as they would have to stop constantly moaning about the dubs and could no longer play the sympathy card as heroic losers
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2018, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 20, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 20, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 07:41:43 PM
MONOPOLY

It's a Monopoly! They have the Money. They have the infrastructures! They have all their Important games played at home. They are guaranteed a large amounts of fans at their game because all their games are at home. The main media outlets are in Dublin. The main Corporations are in Dublin. They have no debt! They don't need to fund raise. The Super 8 was put in place to give the Dublin Punter more accessible meaningful games. The Super 8 for the bigger squads that can cope with injures, suspensions and fatigue. The GAA openly over support them because they NEED a strong Dublin.

It's great for Dublin GAA. Every level is on a plate. From the full time coaches who are creating this conveyor belt of talent from underage to the players sleeping in their own beds the night before a game to the players having pretend jobs to the supporter getting on a Dart Journey for 15 minutes to get to a match.

Are you saying Dublin County board pays it players? How can others compete with that.

Ah the dubs are professional footballers bulls**t  comes out again. Left out the fact that on average the east coast of Ireland gets more sunshine than the west coast and that's an unfair advantage as well. Some people (especially mayo people it seems) just can't accept the dubs are better footballers. I honestly think mayo people wouldn't know what to do if they won the all Ireland as they would have to stop constantly moaning about the dubs and could no longer play the sympathy card as heroic losers

Better by one point, after Mayo missing a shit load of wides in the first half. Anyway what's done is done - but I'm sick of the narrative that Dublin are 'way better'.

O well.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2018, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 20, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 20, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 07:41:43 PM
MONOPOLY

It's a Monopoly! They have the Money. They have the infrastructures! They have all their Important games played at home. They are guaranteed a large amounts of fans at their game because all their games are at home. The main media outlets are in Dublin. The main Corporations are in Dublin. They have no debt! They don't need to fund raise. The Super 8 was put in place to give the Dublin Punter more accessible meaningful games. The Super 8 for the bigger squads that can cope with injures, suspensions and fatigue. The GAA openly over support them because they NEED a strong Dublin.

It's great for Dublin GAA. Every level is on a plate. From the full time coaches who are creating this conveyor belt of talent from underage to the players sleeping in their own beds the night before a game to the players having pretend jobs to the supporter getting on a Dart Journey for 15 minutes to get to a match.

Are you saying Dublin County board pays it players? How can others compete with that.

Ah the dubs are professional footballers bulls**t  comes out again. Left out the fact that on average the east coast of Ireland gets more sunshine than the west coast and that's an unfair advantage as well. Some people (especially mayo people it seems) just can't accept the dubs are better footballers. I honestly think mayo people wouldn't know what to do if they won the all Ireland as they would have to stop constantly moaning about the dubs and could no longer play the sympathy card as heroic losers

Better by one point, after Mayo missing a shit load of wides in the first half. Anyway what's done is done - but I'm sick of the narrative that Dublin are 'way better'.

O well.

Far, the aim of the game is to miss a shit load of wides! The Dubs are way better! What makes you think otherwise?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2018, 07:48:09 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 20, 2018, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 07:41:43 PM
MONOPOLY

It's a Monopoly! They have the Money. They have the infrastructures! They have all their Important games played at home. They are guaranteed a large amounts of fans at their game because all their games are at home. The main media outlets are in Dublin. The main Corporations are in Dublin. They have no debt! They don't need to fund raise. The Super 8 was put in place to give the Dublin Punter more accessible meaningful games. The Super 8 for the bigger squads that can cope with injures, suspensions and fatigue. The GAA openly over support them because they NEED a strong Dublin.

It's great for Dublin GAA. Every level is on a plate. From the full time coaches who are creating this conveyor belt of talent from underage to the players sleeping in their own beds the night before a game to the players having pretend jobs to the supporter getting on a Dart Journey for 15 minutes to get to a match.

Are you saying Dublin County board pays it players? How can others compete with that.
Where did it say that?
How many of them got free cars
Are they paying BIK on those?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2018, 07:41:43 PM


From the full time coaches who are creating this conveyor belt of talent from underage
The full time coaches don't coach any of the elite players and never have.

There are so many culchies involved in Dublin GAA (and many do the actual coaching of players on a voluntary basis), that some of you on here must be part of Dublin GAA clubs and know the actual role these young full time coaches, half funded by members' fees, fulfill.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:13:02 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 20, 2018, 10:44:54 PM
Better by one point, after Mayo missing a shit load of wides in the first half. Anyway what's done is done - but I'm sick of the narrative that Dublin are 'way better'.

O well.
Anyone who knows football knows that Dublin aren't way better. Or certainly haven't been for the last 4 /5 years.
Mayo match up really well against the Dubs. Dublin are a little bit better but in the two drawn games in recent years Mayo were the better team on the day and but for a tactical error in the first game and pure bad luck in the 2nd would have 2 wins against us.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:29:05 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2018, 07:48:09 AM

How many of them got free cars
Are they paying BIK on those?

Subaru provided most of the Dublin footballers and hurlers with the free use of a car for a year. They even advertise some of the current stock as previously owned by a Dublin player and have pic of the relevant Dublin player in the advert!

But this type of thing has been going on for years. I remember about 10 years ago seeing Bryan Cullen going round in a car with a badge on it saying it was sponsored by a north Dublin car place. A good number of county players from all over the country get sponsored cars, but the Subaru deal is the only one I know of that encompasses the whole team rather than just star players.

I don't think they are BIKable as they are not provided by an employer or in the course of an employment. 
Not sure whether it could come under the remit of gift tax. But presumably it would be under the thresholds anyway as its use of a car rather than getting an actual car.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on June 21, 2018, 08:40:57 AM

Bunker said none of the players work? Who funding them so?
I didn't see Bunker saying that and doubt he did.

Only an idiot or WUM would say that. And only an idiot would believe it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on June 21, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
Why stop at splitting Dublin. In my opinion we should just have each club in Dublin enter the county championship seperately
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
I see Guinness are running adverts with the GAA portrayed as partners.
What exactly are Guinness sponsoring?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 22, 2018, 04:38:56 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 21, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
Why stop at splitting Dublin. In my opinion we should just have each club in Dublin enter the county championship seperately

Are you in favour of doing the same with Mayo?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 22, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.

If it was just down to population China would win every sporting event that they cared to enter.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.


So explain the lack of hurling success then.......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.


So explain the lack of hurling success then.......
Mayo 's?  ;D

Dublin were around Antrim's level at hurling from the mid 600 to this decade.
This decade they've won  Leinster, a NHL, we're in hard luck not to have made an AI Final and have won a scatter if Leinster Minor and U21s too.
Ido say that's a lot of success after 5 barren decades.
Of the 39,000 registered GAA players in Dublin how many would be primarily hurlers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 22, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.


So explain the lack of hurling success then.......
Mayo 's?  ;D

Dublin were around Antrim's level at hurling from the mid 600 to this decade.
This decade they've won  Leinster, a NHL, we're in hard luck not to have made an AI Final and have won a scatter if Leinster Minor and U21s too.
Ido say that's a lot of success after 5 barren decades.
Of the 39,000 registered GAA players in Dublin how many would be primarily hurlers.
How many are eligible Dubs?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.


So explain the lack of hurling success then.......
Mayo 's?  ;D

Dublin were around Antrim's level at hurling from the mid 600 to this decade.
This decade they've won  Leinster, a NHL, we're in hard luck not to have made an AI Final and have won a scatter if Leinster Minor and U21s too.
Ido say that's a lot of success after 5 barren decades.
Of the 39,000 registered GAA players in Dublin how many would be primarily hurlers.


Dublin have won 4 provincial u21 in 12  years......5 minor in 13 years......... it's significant progress but if it was as simple as money and gpos surely there Would be an all Ireland minor or u21 if not senior at this stage........... i watched carlow u21s beat a much hyped Dublin u21team in the midst of those "glory " years too
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 23, 2018, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 22, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.


So explain the lack of hurling success then.......
Mayo 's?  ;D

Dublin were around Antrim's level at hurling from the mid 600 to this decade.
This decade they've won  Leinster, a NHL, we're in hard luck not to have made an AI Final and have won a scatter if Leinster Minor and U21s too.
Ido say that's a lot of success after 5 barren decades.
Of the 39,000 registered GAA players in Dublin how many would be primarily hurlers.
How many are eligible Dubs?
About 5 times more than the 6,400 registered players in those oarts of Roscommon who register with RCB.  ( - the Ballagh who register with the Rhubarbs )
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 23, 2018, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2018, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 22, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on June 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Mayo hasn't got 25% of the non Unionist population.


So explain the lack of hurling success then.......
Mayo 's?  ;D

Dublin were around Antrim's level at hurling from the mid 600 to this decade.
This decade they've won  Leinster, a NHL, we're in hard luck not to have made an AI Final and have won a scatter if Leinster Minor and U21s too.
Ido say that's a lot of success after 5 barren decades.
Of the 39,000 registered GAA players in Dublin how many would be primarily hurlers.
How many are eligible Dubs?
About 5 times more than the 6,400 registered players in those oarts of Roscommon who register with RCB.  ( - the Ballagh who register with the Rhubarbs )

10% of the entire Roscommon population? Wow.

Point proven, as a proportion of population, Dublin are actually at a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on June 23, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Why even bother pretending you're having a discussion when all you want to do is deny the obvious?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on June 27, 2018, 10:35:16 PM
Look at the minor result tonight vs Wicklow

Time to divide wicklow into north and south........

Or Increase the  money to Dunlin GAA
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on June 27, 2018, 10:46:30 PM
We must crush them while they're young.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 27, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
Leinster teams generally have been able to competing well with Dublin at underage level for a long time now and it hasn't made any difference at senior level. It must be a bit of an ordeal for selectors to pick a panel at this level with the playing numbers they have.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 28, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
Well as I've said repeatedly, the GPOs have not improved the quality of Dublin minors one iota. They increase participation not quality.

On the RTE coverage of the Leinster final O'Rourke said other Leinster counties should be very thankful of the Dubs fans as their ticket money funds coaches all over Leinster. I didn't realise there were GPOs throughout Leinster, or is O'Rourke just talking nonsense?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
The likes of Tullamore, Mullingar, Athlone, Newbridge, Portlaoise, Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda deserve their own urban GPO

We need to be maximising participation in urban areas firstly in the schools and then areas of the town's and then the clubs.
Participation benefits clubs hugely through new members and new families joining in.
Counties then benefit from the talent those children will have.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 28, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
The likes of Tullamore, Mullingar, Athlone, Newbridge, Portlaoise, Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda deserve their own urban GPO

We need to be maximising participation in urban areas firstly in the schools and then areas of the town's and then the clubs.
Participation benefits clubs hugely through new members and new families joining in.
Counties then benefit from the talent those children will have.
100% agree. O'rourke was suggesting there are already GPOs doing this
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
The likes of Tullamore, Mullingar, Athlone, Newbridge, Portlaoise, Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda deserve their own urban GPO

We need to be maximising participation in urban areas firstly in the schools and then areas of the town's and then the clubs.
Participation benefits clubs hugely through new members and new families joining in.
Counties then benefit from the talent those children will have.
100% agree. O'rourke was suggesting there are already GPOs doing this
me bollox there is
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2018, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
Well as I've said repeatedly, the GPOs have not improved the quality of Dublin minors one iota. They increase participation not quality.

On the RTE coverage of the Leinster final O'Rourke said other Leinster counties should be very thankful of the Dubs fans as their ticket money funds coaches all over Leinster. I didn't realise there were GPOs throughout Leinster, or is O'Rourke just talking nonsense?
I see no evidence of this Hound,- in fact I'd say it's the exact opposite. I've discussed this with you a few months when I asked if there were any new clubs set up in recent years and the best anyone came up with was one- out in Tyrellstown and it seems Brigid's in the Castleknock area are determined to shut it shut.



Any Dublin clubs I know has a huge amount of young kids but a huge proportion drop out at an early age as their mammys seem to see the club as a babysitting facility. Really, only a minute percentage of the general population participate in Gaelic activities and I know this is a big worry for the Dublin CB and HQ as well.
Tallaght had more or less the same population as Limerick city but has only one GAA club-St Marks and is better known as  hurling rather than a football clubs. ASFAIK, the only member who has played at intercounty level in recent times is Dotsy O'Callaghan. (Not 100% sure.)
I don't have an active interest in any of the clubs around me anymore but if Ciarans, Vins or Parnells had an influx of new players lately I would have heard about it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 28, 2018, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2018, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
Well as I've said repeatedly, the GPOs have not improved the quality of Dublin minors one iota. They increase participation not quality.

On the RTE coverage of the Leinster final O'Rourke said other Leinster counties should be very thankful of the Dubs fans as their ticket money funds coaches all over Leinster. I didn't realise there were GPOs throughout Leinster, or is O'Rourke just talking nonsense?
I see no evidence of this Hound,- in fact I'd say it's the exact opposite. I've discussed this with you a few months when I asked if there were any new clubs set up in recent years and the best anyone came up with was one- out in Tyrellstown and it seems Brigid's in the Castleknock area are determined to shut it shut.



Any Dublin clubs I know has a huge amount of young kids but a huge proportion drop out at an early age as their mammys seem to see the club as a babysitting facility. Really, only a minute percentage of the general population participate in Gaelic activities and I know this is a big worry for the Dublin CB and HQ as well.
Tallaght had more or less the same population as Limerick city but has only one GAA club-St Marks and is better known as  hurling rather than a football clubs. ASFAIK, the only member who has played at intercounty level in recent times is Dotsy O'Callaghan. (Not 100% sure.)
I don't have an active interest in any of the clubs around me anymore but if Ciarans, Vins or Parnells had an influx of new players lately I would have heard about it.
some good points there, but I don't think new clubs are overly relevant. The existing clubs are getting bigger. Kilmacud, Ballyboden, Na Fianna, Skerries Harps and many more have huge numbers at young age groups and it continues to grow.

Clontarf, Donabate, Lusk all growing too. And many many others.

As a Northsider, I know Tallaght as well as I know Mozambique. But St Marks, St Annes, Thomas Davis are all Tallaght. Then St Judes, Templeogue Synge St, Ballinteer are all within a stone's throw and I definitely forgeting others. Though you are right that Tallaght is well un represented on the Dublin scene.

Of course some areas are not growing population wise, some are soccer hotbeds, and many give up. But the GPO gets more to give it a go. Of course  some GPOs are useless, they are all young and some see it as a skit, but most at least put in the effort.  But as you say, there's a huge amount more to be done (and more money to be invested) if you wanted GAA to be the dominant sport in Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 11:58:04 AM
Gas interview with Philly McMahon.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/philly-mcmahon-dublin-s-legacy-untarnished-by-croke-park-factor-1.3546003 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/philly-mcmahon-dublin-s-legacy-untarnished-by-croke-park-factor-1.3546003)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 03, 2018, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
The likes of Tullamore, Mullingar, Athlone, Newbridge, Portlaoise, Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda deserve their own urban GPO

We need to be maximising participation in urban areas firstly in the schools and then areas of the town's and then the clubs.
Participation benefits clubs hugely through new members and new families joining in.
Counties then benefit from the talent those children will have.
100% agree. O'rourke was suggesting there are already GPOs doing this
me bollox there is

There are GPO's in every county AFAIK. There are not enough in some counties but they all have them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 03, 2018, 12:45:46 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 28, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
The likes of Tullamore, Mullingar, Athlone, Newbridge, Portlaoise, Bray, Dundalk, Drogheda deserve their own urban GPO

We need to be maximising participation in urban areas firstly in the schools and then areas of the town's and then the clubs.
Participation benefits clubs hugely through new members and new families joining in.
Counties then benefit from the talent those children will have.
100% agree. O'rourke was suggesting there are already GPOs doing this
me bollox there is

There are GPO's in every county AFAIK. There are not enough in some counties but they all have them.

This is akin to saying there's water in Rwanda.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 03, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
Sorry?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
Quick question for the Dublin flat earthers.
How many players did Dublin have on their U20 football development panel this year?

Not the actual U20 panel, the development one?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
You won't get a quick answer to that. In fact you won't get an answer!

This team is a one off! Out of the blue (to use the pun) has sprung up a talented 25 players - all at the same time. All full time employed lads. A miracle of our time. Playing all their games in a Neutral venue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on July 03, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
You won't get a quick answer to that. In fact you won't get an answer!

This team is a one off! Out of the blue (to use the pun) has sprung up a talented 25 players - all at the same time. All full time employed lads. A miracle of our time. Playing all their games in a Neutral venue.

Thank you for your honest correct factual statement.

Unfortunately Dublin have been forced to give up home advantage since 2010 and play on a neutral venue they cannot even train on. The Dublin team have been force to train out in Innis Fails and category E training facility.

Dublin should be allowed to train in Croke Park. Petition anyone?





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on July 03, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
You won't get a quick answer to that. In fact you won't get an answer!

This team is a one off! Out of the blue (to use the pun) has sprung up a talented 25 players - all at the same time. All full time employed lads. A miracle of our time. Playing all their games in a Neutral venue.

And they are all working. And make their own dinners.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
Quick question for the Dublin flat earthers.
How many players did Dublin have on their U20 football development panel this year?

Not the actual U20 panel, the development one?
How many do you think?

I understand in the past the U21 panel was around 35 and there was no separate development panel. Dunno if they changed things for U20.

There's one lad from my club who's still 18 and on the verges of the U20 panel this year (sometimes gets on the bench, sometimes doesnt), but he's played 7 of our 8 senior club league games this year, and this will help him improve no end.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 03, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
Quick question for the Dublin flat earthers.
How many players did Dublin have on their U20 football development panel this year?

Not the actual U20 panel, the development one?

This is where their financial muscle is been put to best use, there's no danger of anyone slipping through the net given the amount of players their 'looking after' at that level.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
You won't get a quick answer to that. In fact you won't get an answer!

This team is a one off! Out of the blue (to use the pun) has sprung up a talented 25 players - all at the same time. All full time employed lads. A miracle of our time. Playing all their games in a Neutral venue.

And they are all working. And make their own dinners.
You'd have to be a complete moron to think that all the Dublin lads who are out of college don't work.
But there are morons around.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on July 03, 2018, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
You won't get a quick answer to that. In fact you won't get an answer!

This team is a one off! Out of the blue (to use the pun) has sprung up a talented 25 players - all at the same time. All full time employed lads. A miracle of our time. Playing all their games in a Neutral venue.

And they are all working. And make their own dinners.
You'd have to be a complete moron to think that all the Dublin lads who are out of college don't work.
But there are morons around.

Relax. It was in jest.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on July 04, 2018, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...

When's the last time Dublin senior footballers played a competitive match on it?

I'm not talking about the O'Byrne cup either.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on July 04, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
Are you saying the O'Byrne Cup isn't competitive?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.

Those results are skewed by the fact that the div 3&4 teams are given home advantage in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 04, 2018, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...

When's the last time Dublin senior footballers played a competitive match on it?

I'm not talking about the O'Byrne cup either.
Unlike Kildare, we're not "win and at all costs". We're happy to forego home advantage to ensure as many of our fans get into the game as possible!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.

Those results are skewed by the fact that the div 3&4 teams are given home advantage in the qualifiers.
Not too many were moved. But you are right, the better team on the day tends to win even if they are away.

Home v Away summary
Qualifiers 4-14
Leinster 3-1
Ulster 3-2
Munster 2-3
Connacht 1-5
Total 13-25

If Galway had played Sligo in Markeivich, there would have been a clean sweep of away wins in Connacht!

Of course a lot depends on a host of factors. But saying Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away is absolute nonsense. IMO, them having the majority of fans played a huge part in recovering from 7-2 down to go in level at HT despite being well outplayed. Two very soft frees followed up by quick points brought Mayo level. There was also the COC point that went clearly over the top of the post, which would definitely have been disallowed in Croke Park through hawkeye. Second half, Kildare were simply the better team. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on July 04, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.

Those results are skewed by the fact that the div 3&4 teams are given home advantage in the qualifiers.
Not too many were moved. But you are right, the better team on the day tends to win even if they are away.

Home v Away summary
Qualifiers 4-14
Leinster 3-1
Ulster 3-2
Munster 2-3
Connacht 1-5
Total 13-25

If Galway had played Sligo in Markeivich, there would have been a clean sweep of away wins in Connacht!

Of course a lot depends on a host of factors. But saying Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away is absolute nonsense. IMO, them having the majority of fans played a huge part in recovering from 7-2 down to go in level at HT despite being well outplayed. Two very soft frees followed up by quick points brought Mayo level. There was also the COC point that went clearly over the top of the post, which would definitely have been disallowed in Croke Park through hawkeye. Second half, Kildare were simply the better team.

???

Dublin fan tries to minimise advantages, shocking a total of zero people.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.

Those results are skewed by the fact that the div 3&4 teams are given home advantage in the qualifiers.
Not too many were moved. But you are right, the better team on the day tends to win even if they are away.

Home v Away summary
Qualifiers 4-14
Leinster 3-1
Ulster 3-2
Munster 2-3
Connacht 1-5
Total 13-25

If Galway had played Sligo in Markeivich, there would have been a clean sweep of away wins in Connacht!

Of course a lot depends on a host of factors. But saying Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away is absolute nonsense. IMO, them having the majority of fans played a huge part in recovering from 7-2 down to go in level at HT despite being well outplayed. Two very soft frees followed up by quick points brought Mayo level. There was also the COC point that went clearly over the top of the post, which would definitely have been disallowed in Croke Park through hawkeye. Second half, Kildare were simply the better team.

???

Dublin fan tries to minimise advantages, shocking a total of zero people.
I have never said that Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away. Mayo lost to Kildare, because Kildare were a better team on the day. But you cant just dismiss the advantages there are to being the home team They are just facts.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:49:08 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.

Those results are skewed by the fact that the div 3&4 teams are given home advantage in the qualifiers.
Not too many were moved. But you are right, the better team on the day tends to win even if they are away.

Home v Away summary
Qualifiers 4-14
Leinster 3-1
Ulster 3-2
Munster 2-3
Connacht 1-5
Total 13-25

If Galway had played Sligo in Markeivich, there would have been a clean sweep of away wins in Connacht!

Of course a lot depends on a host of factors. But saying Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away is absolute nonsense. IMO, them having the majority of fans played a huge part in recovering from 7-2 down to go in level at HT despite being well outplayed. Two very soft frees followed up by quick points brought Mayo level. There was also the COC point that went clearly over the top of the post, which would definitely have been disallowed in Croke Park through hawkeye. Second half, Kildare were simply the better team.

???

Dublin fan tries to minimise advantages, shocking a total of zero people.
I have never said that Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away. Mayo lost to Kildare, because Kildare were a better team on the day. But you cant just dismiss the advantages there are to being the home team They are just facts.
highorlow did!

Again, someone put up a very detailed basketball analysis of home/away advantage from a US study.

It concluded that player performance was completely un-impacted. It concluded that refs were influenced where the home team had a big advantage in support.

So for GAA matches with 50/50 split in attendance, the real advantage is for the home fans. Much easier and cheaper to attend games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 11:28:45 AM
So there is a significant advantage to be had for Dublin by playing the games in Croke park then?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 04, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
Surely attendances have really suffered in Leinster in comparison to where they were 12/13 years ago?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: screenexile on July 04, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:49:08 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2018, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One of the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
QED!
We'll ignore all the other qualifier results (was it really 14 away wins out of 18?) and the Connacht and Munster finals.

Those results are skewed by the fact that the div 3&4 teams are given home advantage in the qualifiers.
Not too many were moved. But you are right, the better team on the day tends to win even if they are away.

Home v Away summary
Qualifiers 4-14
Leinster 3-1
Ulster 3-2
Munster 2-3
Connacht 1-5
Total 13-25

If Galway had played Sligo in Markeivich, there would have been a clean sweep of away wins in Connacht!

Of course a lot depends on a host of factors. But saying Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away is absolute nonsense. IMO, them having the majority of fans played a huge part in recovering from 7-2 down to go in level at HT despite being well outplayed. Two very soft frees followed up by quick points brought Mayo level. There was also the COC point that went clearly over the top of the post, which would definitely have been disallowed in Croke Park through hawkeye. Second half, Kildare were simply the better team.

???

Dublin fan tries to minimise advantages, shocking a total of zero people.
I have never said that Mayo lost to Kildare because they were away. Mayo lost to Kildare, because Kildare were a better team on the day. But you cant just dismiss the advantages there are to being the home team They are just facts.
highorlow did!

Again, someone put up a very detailed basketball analysis of home/away advantage from a US study.

It concluded that player performance was completely un-impacted. It concluded that refs were influenced where the home team had a big advantage in support.

So for GAA matches with 50/50 split in attendance, the real advantage is for the home fans. Much easier and cheaper to attend games.

I may be wrong but has there not been research on this that says home advantage is worth 4 points to the home team?

Look if Dublin/Kerry/Donegal etc. go to pearse park in Longford they're still going to win but when teams are much closer in ability home advantage can be the difference.

Yes Dublin are a better team than most anyway but had they played Mayo in an AIF at McHale Park would they have won by a point like last year?! I doubt it!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on July 04, 2018, 11:43:33 AM
QuoteMayo lost to Kildare, because Kildare were a better team, at home, on the day

If it was away or neutral would Kildare have risen to the heights we haven't seen them rise to since the first 20 minutes of last years Leinster Final?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 04, 2018, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 04, 2018, 11:42:22 AM

I may be wrong but has there not been research on this that says home advantage is worth 4 points to the home team?

That's pretty much completely made up nonsense based on a limited dataset. It'd be similar to saying this year's matches proves it's an advantage to be away in the qualifiers.

It's impossible to quantify in GAA terms. Like last year you've Mayo drawing with Ros one week (and lucky to draw) and hammering them out the gate the next. Impossible to pick certain games and say it proves anything as the same two teams can play other in the exact same conditions and produce two completely different results.

Anyone talking home advantage is worth X number of points in talking out their hole.

The basketball one was interesting, because they measure free-throw success. Same court dimensions in every court and the success rate was exactly the same home or away, despite home fans booing away throwers.

Comparing free taking success from similar distances in different grounds might be one way to come up with a reasonable measure. Anecdotedly there have been some opposition players who wilt when shooting into the Hill and some who thrive. When Mayo take a good portion of the Hill, do the stats change? Does Dean Rock have a better free taking success rate in Croke Park versus other pitches?

A son of a Dublin mentor told me (about 18/24 months ago) that they'd done an analysis and found Dubs have better shot success rate into the Canal End rather than the Hill, which had surprised them. Dubs have chosen to play into the Hill first half in some big games in recent years, and I'd wondered if that analysis had anything to do with it. When the new Canal End / Davin End had opened first, the scoring rate into it for most teams was apparently worse than into the Hill, but that seems to have changed now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on July 04, 2018, 12:58:23 PM
notable parallel from last year in the AFL over home/neutral issues, have posted a few quotes, interesting question at the end from the article, I cant think of any recent examples...

Full article here
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/geelong-wants-all-its-home-finals-to-be-played-at-simonds-stadium-except-grand-final/news-story/f5e8f6f122618f1070eea0da3d76cef6 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/geelong-wants-all-its-home-finals-to-be-played-at-simonds-stadium-except-grand-final/news-story/f5e8f6f122618f1070eea0da3d76cef6)

"Geelong wants all its home finals to be played at Simonds Stadium, except Grand Final

Cats president Colin Carter on Friday told the Herald Sun the AFL's position of moving finals to neutral venues to boost capacity was "indefensible".

Carter has called on the league to put in place a clear policy about how it fixtures finals venues.

But while he admits convincing the league to play preliminary finals at the 34,000-seat capacity Simonds Stadium is a challenge, he says the Cats deserve the right.

The Cats plan to increase the capacity of Simonds Stadium to 40,000 in coming years and also want to play all 11 home-and-away games there.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said last Saturday the league did not want to prevent fans from attending finals at smaller-capacity stadiums.

But Carter says the AFL's view does not stack up with world sport and denies clubs their natural right to home finals.

"If you have earned the right to a home final lets accept the Grand Final is at the MCG but I think everything else should be up for grabs.

"Name one other competition around the world where monetising (a final) takes precedence over earned right.

"You would be hard pushed to find it."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on July 05, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 04, 2018, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...

When's the last time Dublin senior footballers played a competitive match on it?

I'm not talking about the O'Byrne cup either.
Unlike Kildare, we're not "win and at all costs". We're happy to forego home advantage to ensure as many of our fans get into the game as possible!

Generous to a fault are you Dubs.
DCB is a veritable charity these days, taking in homeless coaches and finding them jobs in various clubs/schools throughout the county and all you get is abuse over it.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 04, 2018, 11:42:22 AM

I may be wrong but has there not been research on this that says home advantage is worth 4 points to the home team?

That's pretty much completely made up nonsense based on a limited dataset. It'd be similar to saying this year's matches proves it's an advantage to be away in the qualifiers.

It's impossible to quantify in GAA terms. Like last year you've Mayo drawing with Ros one week (and lucky to draw) and hammering them out the gate the next. Impossible to pick certain games and say it proves anything as the same two teams can play other in the exact same conditions and produce two completely different results.

Anyone talking home advantage is worth X number of points in talking out their hole.

The basketball one was interesting, because they measure free-throw success. Same court dimensions in every court and the success rate was exactly the same home or away, despite home fans booing away throwers.

Comparing free taking success from similar distances in different grounds might be one way to come up with a reasonable measure. Anecdotedly there have been some opposition players who wilt when shooting into the Hill and some who thrive. When Mayo take a good portion of the Hill, do the stats change? Does Dean Rock have a better free taking success rate in Croke Park versus other pitches?

A son of a Dublin mentor told me (about 18/24 months ago) that they'd done an analysis and found Dubs have better shot success rate into the Canal End rather than the Hill, which had surprised them. Dubs have chosen to play into the Hill first half in some big games in recent years, and I'd wondered if that analysis had anything to do with it. When the new Canal End / Davin End had opened first, the scoring rate into it for most teams was apparently worse than into the Hill, but that seems to have changed now.

If, as appears to be the case, you're arguing that there is no such thing as home advantage in GAA, you are talking complete shite
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 04, 2018, 11:42:22 AM

I may be wrong but has there not been research on this that says home advantage is worth 4 points to the home team?

That's pretty much completely made up nonsense based on a limited dataset. It'd be similar to saying this year's matches proves it's an advantage to be away in the qualifiers.

It's impossible to quantify in GAA terms. Like last year you've Mayo drawing with Ros one week (and lucky to draw) and hammering them out the gate the next. Impossible to pick certain games and say it proves anything as the same two teams can play other in the exact same conditions and produce two completely different results.

Anyone talking home advantage is worth X number of points in talking out their hole.

The basketball one was interesting, because they measure free-throw success. Same court dimensions in every court and the success rate was exactly the same home or away, despite home fans booing away throwers.

Comparing free taking success from similar distances in different grounds might be one way to come up with a reasonable measure. Anecdotedly there have been some opposition players who wilt when shooting into the Hill and some who thrive. When Mayo take a good portion of the Hill, do the stats change? Does Dean Rock have a better free taking success rate in Croke Park versus other pitches?

A son of a Dublin mentor told me (about 18/24 months ago) that they'd done an analysis and found Dubs have better shot success rate into the Canal End rather than the Hill, which had surprised them. Dubs have chosen to play into the Hill first half in some big games in recent years, and I'd wondered if that analysis had anything to do with it. When the new Canal End / Davin End had opened first, the scoring rate into it for most teams was apparently worse than into the Hill, but that seems to have changed now.

If, as appears to be the case, you're arguing that there is no such thing as home advantage in GAA, you are talking complete shite
Didnt say that at all. Read the US basketball analysis.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 05, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 04, 2018, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...

When's the last time Dublin senior footballers played a competitive match on it?

I'm not talking about the O'Byrne cup either.
Unlike Kildare, we're not "win and at all costs". We're happy to forego home advantage to ensure as many of our fans get into the game as possible!

Generous to a fault are you Dubs.
DCB is a veritable charity these days, taking in homeless coaches and finding them jobs in various clubs/schools throughout the county and all you get is abuse over it.
GPOs are in more counties than Dublin.
And there are plenty of non-Dubs here who are members of Dublin clubs, and they can confirm what it is the GPO actually does in Dublin and that they play virtually no role in turning the likes of Brian Fenton and Con O'Callaghan into top players. They are coached by parents/volunteers in their clubs all the way up and by mostly ex-Dubs players (also volunteers) in Dublin development panels.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 05, 2018, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 05, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 04, 2018, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...

When's the last time Dublin senior footballers played a competitive match on it?

I'm not talking about the O'Byrne cup either.
Unlike Kildare, we're not "win and at all costs". We're happy to forego home advantage to ensure as many of our fans get into the game as possible!

Generous to a fault are you Dubs.
DCB is a veritable charity these days, taking in homeless coaches and finding them jobs in various clubs/schools throughout the county and all you get is abuse over it.
GPOs are in more counties than Dublin.
And there are plenty of non-Dubs here who are members of Dublin clubs, and they can confirm what it is the GPO actually does in Dublin and that they play virtually no role in turning the likes of Brian Fenton and Con O'Callaghan into top players. They are coached by parents/volunteers in their clubs all the way up and by mostly ex-Dubs players (also volunteers) in Dublin development panels.
not one club in this county has their own GPO
most clubs in Dublin have their own or shared GPO
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 05, 2018, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 05, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 04, 2018, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2018, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 03, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
Saturday nights Kildare result puts paid to the Dubs argument that home advantage in Croke park is not home advantage.

One on the Dubs or maybe more on here have been spouting that Croker is not a home venue as Mayo got as many a crowd as them into the place over the last few years.

Well we outnumbered the home team on Saturday but I guess that wasn't enough to counter the obvious 3 point advantage a (div1 or 2) home team has from the off.

Kildare had the advantage of sleeping in their own beds and watching there own teles on the Friday night, small thing but means a lot. The Dubs have this advantage year in year out.
But their home pitch is Parnell...

When's the last time Dublin senior footballers played a competitive match on it?

I'm not talking about the O'Byrne cup either.
Unlike Kildare, we're not "win and at all costs". We're happy to forego home advantage to ensure as many of our fans get into the game as possible!

Generous to a fault are you Dubs.
DCB is a veritable charity these days, taking in homeless coaches and finding them jobs in various clubs/schools throughout the county and all you get is abuse over it.
GPOs are in more counties than Dublin.
And there are plenty of non-Dubs here who are members of Dublin clubs, and they can confirm what it is the GPO actually does in Dublin and that they play virtually no role in turning the likes of Brian Fenton and Con O'Callaghan into top players. They are coached by parents/volunteers in their clubs all the way up and by mostly ex-Dubs players (also volunteers) in Dublin development panels.
not one club in this county has their own GPO
most clubs in Dublin have their own or shared GPO
Yep, so what is it that a GPO does, do you think? What's the average age? What's their average coaching experience?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 09:55:46 AM

If, as appears to be the case, you're arguing that there is no such thing as home advantage in GAA, you are talking complete shite
Didnt say that at all. Read the US basketball analysis.
[/quote]

In the interests of fairness, which should be the basis of all sports, the 'neutral' match shouldn't be played in Dublin. I fail to see how there can be any legitimate argument over that. It shouldn't be a case that one team has to request fair play from the governing body. Getting bogged down in the details of just what home advantage is worth is pointless. The fact is that there is an advantage (and even an illusion of an advantage counts as an advantage), and that is unfair.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 09:55:46 AM

If, as appears to be the case, you're arguing that there is no such thing as home advantage in GAA, you are talking complete shite
Didnt say that at all. Read the US basketball analysis.

In the interests of fairness, which should be the basis of all sports, the 'neutral' match shouldn't be played in Dublin. I fail to see how there can be any legitimate argument over that. It shouldn't be a case that one team has to request fair play from the governing body. Getting bogged down in the details of just what home advantage is worth is pointless. The fact is that there is an advantage (and even an illusion of an advantage counts as an advantage), and that is unfair.
[/quote]
So all All Ireland semi finals and finals should be played outside Croke Park, when Dublin are involved?
Would it be ok to hold Dublin minor semis and finals in Croke Park? Although we're pretty poor at that grade in football, but the hurlers might come good.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
So your argument is, they already get an advantage when it comes to semi finals and finals, so we may as well compound it and give them an advantage in the super 8s, a competition which had at its core home, neutral, away fixtures?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
So your argument is, they already get an advantage when it comes to semi finals and finals, so we may as well compound it and give them an advantage in the super 8s, a competition which had at its core home, neutral, away fixtures?
Didn't think I made any argument in that post, I asked a question.

I think you'll find it has "at its core" home, Croke Park and away fixtures.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance, which it isn't when Dublin are involved.

The question you asked re semis and finals seemed designed to make a point, I just responded to the point. I can understand they are showpiece occasions with capacity crowds, and there are strong arguments for having them in the showpiece venue. Its unfortunate that that showpiece venue isn't a neutral venue, and the pros and cons have to be weighed up.

That should make the GAA more, rather than less, keen to ensure that wherever else possible, they act fairly with regard to venue, but rather, it seems to be used as carte blanche to do what they want as they've got away with it for years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 05, 2018, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance, which it isn't when Dublin are involved.
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

Just fixed your selective quoting!  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 02:01:28 PM
Trying to get a Dublin fan to admit to literally any inherent advantage or unfairness is like trying to perform heart surgery on a stone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Yep, fair enough, that's an absolutely valid opinion.

It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!

No problem changing the rule next year if people agree the loss of revenues is outweighed by the "added fairness". Although I doubt Clones would have been used this year if the rule had been in place, if the GAA thought they'd get more people to Limerick or Thurles. It would not be like the GAA to turn down an extra 13,000 people paying €25 a head to move it to Munster. (Although I know there's one Mayo man who thinks all that extra money goes to either the Croke Park fat cats or the Dubs!)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on July 05, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!


You're one of the best Dublin posters on here hound and tbf, you're one of the few dubs on here to put up a genuine argument against a significant majority. However, the point above seems to be that if other counties didn't complain about certain Dublin advantages previously, it's too late to do so now.

Say for example Mayo were forced to cede home advantage to Leitrim in every championship game, would it have much of an effect on the outcomes? And as such, it probably wouldn't bother us too much. Alternatively, say we had to always play Galway in Tuam, how would that effect results? Chances are, our reaction would be quite different.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: straightred on July 05, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Yep, fair enough, that's an absolutely valid opinion.

It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!

No problem changing the rule next year if people agree the loss of revenues is outweighed by the "added fairness". Although I doubt Clones would have been used this year if the rule had been in place, if the GAA thought they'd get more people to Limerick or Thurles. It would not be like the GAA to turn down an extra 13,000 people paying €25 a head to move it to Munster. (Although I know there's one Mayo man who thinks all that extra money goes to either the Croke Park fat cats or the Dubs!)

Fair point about the lack of comment up to now and there's probably some truth in what your are saying that people are only complaining because of this Dublin team's dominance. For what its worth I've always thought it wrong particularly in the Leinster championship. At least in the other provinces the semi finals are moved around but not so in Leinster.

It shouldn't be all about money either. We now have effectively got 12 1/4 final matches and associated TV revenue whereas last year we had 4 (maybe 5 if we factor in a draw). That's more than enough to compensate for the 325K you identifed above (13000 *€25).

Rightly or wrongly there is a perception out there (and i think it is growing) that Dublin are afforded every advantage. Some of the conspiracy theories that you hear are out and out nonsense but equally (IMO)  some are legitimate. The practical solution is that Dublin play their "home" game in Croke park and their neutral game in Cork/Thurles/Limerick/Clones (depending on who they are playing)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 05, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Yep, fair enough, that's an absolutely valid opinion.

It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!

No problem changing the rule next year if people agree the loss of revenues is outweighed by the "added fairness". Although I doubt Clones would have been used this year if the rule had been in place, if the GAA thought they'd get more people to Limerick or Thurles. It would not be like the GAA to turn down an extra 13,000 people paying €25 a head to move it to Munster. (Although I know there's one Mayo man who thinks all that extra money goes to either the Croke Park fat cats or the Dubs!)

Fair point about the lack of comment up to now and there's probably some truth in what your are saying that people are only complaining because of this Dublin team's dominance. For what its worth I've always thought it wrong particularly in the Leinster championship. At least in the other provinces the semi finals are moved around but not so in Leinster.

It shouldn't be all about money either. We now have effectively got 12 1/4 final matches and associated TV revenue whereas last year we had 4 (maybe 5 if we factor in a draw). That's more than enough to compensate for the 325K you identifed above (13000 *€25).

Rightly or wrongly there is a perception out there (and i think it is growing) that Dublin are afforded every advantage. Some of the conspiracy theories that you hear are out and out nonsense but equally (IMO)  some are legitimate. The practical solution is that Dublin play their "home" game in Croke park and their neutral game in Cork/Thurles/Limerick/Clones (depending on who they are playing)

On what planet has there not been continual comment about Dublin getting to play all their games at home? You're giving him a pat on the back here when it's literally a factual lie to say there wasn't a lot of criticism for a very long time on this topic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 05, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!


You're one of the best Dublin posters on here hound and tbf, you're one of the few dubs on here to put up a genuine argument against a significant majority. However, the point above seems to be that if other counties didn't complain about certain Dublin advantages previously, it's too late to do so now.

Say for example Mayo were forced to cede home advantage to Leitrim in every championship game, would it have much of an effect on the outcomes? And as such, it probably wouldn't bother us too much. Alternatively, say we had to always play Galway in Tuam, how would that effect results? Chances are, our reaction would be quite different.
Not that it's too late, but what's changed, apart from Dublin becoming good? And will the next step be to look to move semis and finals? And should revenues just be completely ignored?

My very first post in relation to the QF was Donegal should have the choice (although I think the choice given to them would have been Croke Park or Limerick/Thurles). But I do think some of the points have been OTT.

I honestly don't think Mayo are disadvantaged playing in Croke Park against Dublin in a semi or final with a 50/50 crowd (or sometimes more Mayo there!).
Likewise, I don't think Leitrim would do any better in Carrick v Mayo with a 50/50 representation than in Castlebar. (Although they wouldn't get 50% of the crowd in Castlebar, so they probably would do better in Carrick, though they still wouldnt win).

As was said earlier, if Galway had happened to have been drawn away to Sligo this year, it would have meant every single game in the Connacht championship was won by the away team. Was it not said previously that there's no significant difference in results in Mayo/Galway/Ros games regardless who has home advantage? 

But, for sure, I do believe Croke Park experience helps. Mayo would be more likely to beat Galway/Roscommon in Croke Park, than even in Castlebar. Although as their experience builds up, that advantage will be lost. I think the disadvantage only really last for a few games.

Of course people who live in Dublin have a huge advantage re attending Croke Park games than those who have to come from places like Donegal, Mayo, Kerry. Huge. But the away game for Dublin takes some of that away, the neutral game will mean expense for everyone. Maybe a coin toss would be better than neutral!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: straightred on July 05, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 05, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Yep, fair enough, that's an absolutely valid opinion.

It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!

No problem changing the rule next year if people agree the loss of revenues is outweighed by the "added fairness". Although I doubt Clones would have been used this year if the rule had been in place, if the GAA thought they'd get more people to Limerick or Thurles. It would not be like the GAA to turn down an extra 13,000 people paying €25 a head to move it to Munster. (Although I know there's one Mayo man who thinks all that extra money goes to either the Croke Park fat cats or the Dubs!)

Fair point about the lack of comment up to now and there's probably some truth in what your are saying that people are only complaining because of this Dublin team's dominance. For what its worth I've always thought it wrong particularly in the Leinster championship. At least in the other provinces the semi finals are moved around but not so in Leinster.

It shouldn't be all about money either. We now have effectively got 12 1/4 final matches and associated TV revenue whereas last year we had 4 (maybe 5 if we factor in a draw). That's more than enough to compensate for the 325K you identifed above (13000 *€25).

Rightly or wrongly there is a perception out there (and i think it is growing) that Dublin are afforded every advantage. Some of the conspiracy theories that you hear are out and out nonsense but equally (IMO)  some are legitimate. The practical solution is that Dublin play their "home" game in Croke park and their neutral game in Cork/Thurles/Limerick/Clones (depending on who they are playing)

On what planet has there not been continual comment about Dublin getting to play all their games at home? You're giving him a pat on the back here when it's literally a factual lie to say there wasn't a lot of criticism for a very long time on this topic.

Why the f**k do you always have to try to derail threads. I'm trying to have a respectful debate and I don't need a clown like you in my ear. And by the way you're wrong too. There may have been comment but its gone to a new level this year
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 05, 2018, 02:46:54 PM

Fair point about the lack of comment up to now and there's probably some truth in what your are saying that people are only complaining because of this Dublin team's dominance. For what its worth I've always thought it wrong particularly in the Leinster championship. At least in the other provinces the semi finals are moved around but not so in Leinster.

I agree. Leinster quarter-finals should be played on home/away basis, in whatever ground, including the Aughrims etc. And the Leinster Council have probably been backed into a corner now, so what happened to Wicklow this year shouldn't happen again. Kildare can hardly vote against Wicklow (or whoever it ends up being) next year. With both Kildare and Meath unseeded next year, it's almost destined to be one of them v the Dubs in the quarters!

The semi-finals should be Portlaoise or Nowlan Park, so that everyone earns the right to play in Croke Park in a Leinster final.

I think if that was brought in, it would also ease the "be seen to be fair" element of Dublin not playing every game in Croker.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2018, 03:02:45 PM
"Literally a factual lie"
New low in Syferianisms.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: straightred on July 05, 2018, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 05, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!


You're one of the best Dublin posters on here hound and tbf, you're one of the few dubs on here to put up a genuine argument against a significant majority. However, the point above seems to be that if other counties didn't complain about certain Dublin advantages previously, it's too late to do so now.

Say for example Mayo were forced to cede home advantage to Leitrim in every championship game, would it have much of an effect on the outcomes? And as such, it probably wouldn't bother us too much. Alternatively, say we had to always play Galway in Tuam, how would that effect results? Chances are, our reaction would be quite different.
Not that it's too late, but what's changed, apart from Dublin becoming good? And will the next step be to look to move semis and finals? And should revenues just be completely ignored?

My very first post in relation to the QF was Donegal should have the choice (although I think the choice given to them would have been Croke Park or Limerick/Thurles). But I do think some of the points have been OTT.

I honestly don't think Mayo are disadvantaged playing in Croke Park against Dublin in a semi or final with a 50/50 crowd (or sometimes more Mayo there!).
Likewise, I don't think Leitrim would do any better in Carrick v Mayo with a 50/50 representation than in Castlebar. (Although they wouldn't get 50% of the crowd in Castlebar, so they probably would do better in Carrick, though they still wouldnt win).

As was said earlier, if Galway had happened to have been drawn away to Sligo this year, it would have meant every single game in the Connacht championship was won by the away team. Was it not said previously that there's no significant difference in results in Mayo/Galway/Ros games regardless who has home advantage? 

But, for sure, I do believe Croke Park experience helps. Mayo would be more likely to beat Galway/Roscommon in Croke Park, than even in Castlebar. Although as their experience builds up, that advantage will be lost. I think the disadvantage only really last for a few games.

Of course people who live in Dublin have a huge advantage re attending Croke Park games than those who have to come from places like Donegal, Mayo, Kerry. Huge. But the away game for Dublin takes some of that away, the neutral game will mean expense for everyone. Maybe a coin toss would be better than neutral!

It only takes 1/2 of it away. Donegal have been completely shafted. a 7pm throw-in in Dublin and a trip to Rosscommon or Armagh.

In terms of the match itself I don't know what home advantage is worth on the scoreboard but i'd guess 2 or 3 points. That's enough to matter.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on July 05, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2018, 03:02:45 PM
"Literally a factual lie"
New low in Syferianisms.

???

Not your finest moment.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: smelmoth on July 05, 2018, 03:56:46 PM
We need to think outside the box here.

Dublin have an inherent advantage here in that they have more players and punters than anybody else. This needs to be neutralised. They way to do this (it came to me in a dream behind the off-licence over lunchtime) is to allocate every child in the 32 counties a county at birth. This will act like the US draft system with counties allocated on rotation i.e only every 32nd child will be a jackeen. No allowance will be made for where the child is born, lives, where the parents (if known) are from or indeed the child's own wishes or the location of their club. Its tough but it has to be done. Tony Scullion will do a video presentation for slow learners.

I already know how brilliant an idea this is. Its actually quite emotional typing it.

An equal spread of the talent. An equal spread of fans (although most will still live in Dublin and I accept it is an awful trek from Skibbereen to Abhainn Beag for one son, especially when the second son wants to go to Drogheda for the big Louth v Clare Derby). Fill up the tank in Louth is the answer to that problem. You have to go there to see how cheap it actually is.  I bought a second car with the money I've saved. Comes in handy as well as the first car is giving wild engine trouble.

Further brilliance arrives in the form of the northern protestant population being equally divided amongst the 32 counties. No opt out of the allocation is allowed although they are allowed to individually opt out of playing the sport (I'm not arguing for fascism here). Kilkenny will probably be allocated a load of northern prods and still not be able to field. My own county, Armagh will benefit hugely from this.

Yet more brilliance arrives in the form of the nippy, skillfull inside forwards produced by the Kerry school system would also be equally divided amongst the 32 counties. These guys will be lauded as gods In the glens of Antrim or swamps of Leitrim. Some form of translation service may be required for local media. My own county, Armagh will benefit hugely from this if we can keep these Kerry born gods away from the lure of coffee or local soccer.

There is a brief window of every child born in Dublin. It comes after they learn to speak but before they sound Bernard Dunne or Dustin the Turkey with every sentence starting with the word "look". During this window of intelligible speech the child could take a verbal oath of allegiance to their allocated county.

This might sound extreme but it's a better option than any option that does not directly address the fact that Dublin have more players and paying punters than any other county. #splitdublinin32
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 05, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
Sorry, yes, you're correct, but it would seem Croker is intended as a neutral venue in that instance
Do you think?

Maybe so, but I would say they were very deliberate when they said all the first games would be played in Croke Park (and not neutral venues).

As you said, Croke Park is the showpiece venue for showpiece occasions, and it's always been located in Dublin.

I don't doubt that they were deliberate in stating Croke Park. But I think for too long they have ignored the advantage it provides to Dublin, and I think it is a great development that they are now being held to account, and having to consider that advantage.
Yep, fair enough, that's an absolutely valid opinion.

It has been in Dublin for a hundred years, but we've only copped it's an advantage now that the best Dublin team ever is here!

Dubs have gone through phases before in the 70s, 80s, 90s of playing league games in Croker, but that added advantage didn't seem to be recognised then.

Ever since the back door has been introduced, the Leinster champions (which, as you know, has mainly been Dublin) has played ALL their quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals in Croke Park. As I've said it is interesting that now with one such game actually moved out of Croke Park, it's now the Croke Park "advantage" has come to fore!

No problem changing the rule next year if people agree the loss of revenues is outweighed by the "added fairness". Although I doubt Clones would have been used this year if the rule had been in place, if the GAA thought they'd get more people to Limerick or Thurles. It would not be like the GAA to turn down an extra 13,000 people paying €25 a head to move it to Munster. (Although I know there's one Mayo man who thinks all that extra money goes to either the Croke Park fat cats or the Dubs!)

Its been there for 100 years, but the game has changed immeasurably in the 17 since the back door came in. Firstly, many more counties got the chance to play in Croke Park (so the novelty wore off), and secondly, it has become ever more professional in every aspect, so advantages are sought everywhere. With the timing such that there haven't been that many occasions to really scrutinise it (Dublin straight into quarters most years as you say, which are usually [always?] dbl headers in croker), the Super 8's was always going to be the opportunity to challenge it.

Re the revenue - you can't put revenue above the competition itself. Theres also I would think an argument that putting games in grounds which will fill out makes them much better occasions, and making tickets harder to get increases season ticket buying and the like, but principally you have to run your competition on a fair basis, not to make as much as you can.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Keane on July 05, 2018, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 05, 2018, 02:52:12 PM
Not that it's too late, but what's changed, apart from Dublin becoming good?

What has changed is obviously the format of the championship, which surely hasn't passed you by. This change in format sees every team playing one game at home, one game away and one game at a neutral venue, besides Dublin who play two at home and one away, and whatever team are unlucky enough to win their provincial championship and end up in Dublin's group who play two away and one at home.

I don't think it's unreasonable to attempt to bake a basic element of fairness in to a new format that is being trialled?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on July 07, 2018, 11:04:04 AM
Will the persecuted  McKenna followers accept a lot more money has to be put into Dublin coaching with only a minor hurling and senior football  won in leinster 2018 in what is allegedly an era of total domination.

Highlights of Leinster 2018 are last night's fantastic Kildare display  and Wicklow minors... I haven't seen Wicklow but there were some fantastic footballers on the u20 side last night and played a good hard brand of football.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
Underage results flies in the face of the constant crying about Dublin's population and financial advantage. Young players showing the way - just go out and beat them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2018, 11:43:36 AM
One swallow doesn't make a Summer.
Dublin won 4 in a row u21s in Leinster and 2 of the last 4 U21 All Irelands.
Not exactly down and out.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: longballin on July 07, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 07, 2018, 11:43:36 AM
One swallow doesn't make a Summer.
Dublin won 4 in a row u21s in Leinster and 2 of the last 4 U21 All Irelands.
Not exactly down and out.

Kerry won the last 4 All Ireland minor titles... in Croke Park!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 17, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
A recently-compiled statistic revealed that since 2011 and the evolution of the spring series that saw Dublin move their home league matches to Croke Park, they had played 74pc of all their league and championship games there, 83 out of 112


What other county gets such an advantage?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on August 04, 2018, 01:23:27 PM
Surely better than long putting itbintonrugby, golf, cricket or hockey
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.
Nothing to do with the DCB though
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o





Very few. >90% to Dublin id imagine
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2018, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o





Very few. >90% to Dublin id imagine
So not what you claimed....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2018, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o





Very few. >90% to Dublin id imagine
So not what you claimed....

You can ignore the point if you like, most in GAA HQ seem happy to do so, not a surprise Dubs would do likewise.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 04, 2018, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 04, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 04, 2018, 12:26:53 PM
   https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html      (https://home.kpmg.com/ie/en/home/insights/2018/07/dublin-ladies-gaa.html)

Sure what's another corporate €.

Why the begrudgery? More money into Gaelic games - surely a good news story.

If it were any other county getting corporate support would you be commenting? I don't think so.



But its not any other county.  its the same county that has all the corporate money already


So no other county gets corporate support? :o





Very few. >90% to Dublin id imagine
So not what you claimed....

You can ignore the point if you like, most in GAA HQ seem happy to do so, not a surprise Dubs would do likewise.

You said all the corporate sponsorship goes to Dublin.

When pressed on that you say more than 90% does.

So yes, I think ill ignore that, as its clearly arsegravy
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on August 25, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Good news for Mayo, they can now afford a commercial manager!

25 OCTOBER 2016 - 'We can't afford a commercial manager' says Mayo GAA chairman
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman)


August 24, 2018
Mayo to appoint Commercial Manager
- Mayo are to follow in the footsteps of many counties and appoint a full time Commercial Manager.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2018, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on August 25, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Good news for Mayo, they can now afford a commercial manager!

25 OCTOBER 2016 - 'We can't afford a commercial manager' says Mayo GAA chairman
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman)


August 24, 2018
Mayo to appoint Commercial Manager
- Mayo are to follow in the footsteps of many counties and appoint a full time Commercial Manager.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482)

Hopefully we can capitalise on this good news by producing good underage footballers again.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2018, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on August 25, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Good news for Mayo, they can now afford a commercial manager!

25 OCTOBER 2016 - 'We can't afford a commercial manager' says Mayo GAA chairman
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman)


August 24, 2018
Mayo to appoint Commercial Manager
- Mayo are to follow in the footsteps of many counties and appoint a full time Commercial Manager.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482)

Hopefully we can capitalise on this good news by producing good underage footballers again.

Yeah because good coaching has nothing to do with production of same,  it's definitely down to commercial mgmt
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 25, 2018, 01:58:07 PM
The GAA is investing a bit of Money in Mayo! You'd wonder why they are doing that? The auld coffers must have been a bit bare this year without Mayo's large fan base.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2018, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 25, 2018, 10:31:15 AM
Quote from: CJ2017 on August 25, 2018, 10:28:46 AM
Good news for Mayo, they can now afford a commercial manager!

25 OCTOBER 2016 - 'We can't afford a commercial manager' says Mayo GAA chairman
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28829-we-can-t-afford-a-commercial-manager-says-mayo-gaa-chairman)


August 24, 2018
Mayo to appoint Commercial Manager
- Mayo are to follow in the footsteps of many counties and appoint a full time Commercial Manager.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/289482)

Hopefully we can capitalise on this good news by producing good underage footballers again.

Yeah because good coaching has nothing to do with production of same,  it's definitely down to commercial mgmt

The coaching element was what I was getting at. It's no good having good commerce if the players aren't being coached properly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 25, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

Yes, it surely is. But it will take more than Bricks and Mortar to get Mayo up to speed with the Dublin machine.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: befair on August 25, 2018, 05:03:56 PM
Love the Dubs, but the same is happening with Ladies GAA; playing population, financial backing, the county is becoming an unstoppable juggernaut
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 25, 2018, 05:09:58 PM
That's a very good pacey looking Dublin team! They got better gym facilities than some men county teams
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

How would a provincial commercial manager work with rival counties having local parochial funders who not alone say want Roscommon to succeed but equally Mayo and Galway not to.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

How would a provincial commercial manager work with rival counties having local parochial funders who not alone say want Roscommon to succeed but equally Mayo and Galway not to.....

How the fûck do you think one company promotes Coca Cola and Sprite at the same time with this attitude?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on August 27, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

How would a provincial commercial manager work with rival counties having local parochial funders who not alone say want Roscommon to succeed but equally Mayo and Galway not to.....

How the fûck do you think one company promotes Coca Cola and Sprite at the same time with this attitude?

You have obviously  never dealt with a club or intercounty  GAA official in your life.........
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 27, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

How would a provincial commercial manager work with rival counties having local parochial funders who not alone say want Roscommon to succeed but equally Mayo and Galway not to.....

How the fûck do you think one company promotes Coca Cola and Sprite at the same time with this attitude?

You have obviously  never dealt with a club or intercounty  GAA official in your life.........

Do you have a clue what a commercial manager would do? You're doing some serious grandstanding here but it doesn't bare much resemblance to reality.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 27, 2018, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 27, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

How would a provincial commercial manager work with rival counties having local parochial funders who not alone say want Roscommon to succeed but equally Mayo and Galway not to.....

How the fûck do you think one company promotes Coca Cola and Sprite at the same time with this attitude?

You have obviously  never dealt with a club or intercounty  GAA official in your life.........
A Connacht Commercial manager would only be financing Prenty vanity projects like a covered pitch in feckin Bekan.
Even if he/she was raising funds for the Counties how much of it would get to Ros/Sligo/Laythrum? ??
SFA! !
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on August 27, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 27, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2018, 02:57:21 PM
Is yer man from clickbait central, Joe, stumping up the cash?

This is exactly the sort of haves-have nots situation the GAA should be actively trying to eliminate.. the playing field needs to be more level for all counties. A commercial manager for each province might have made more sense.

How would a provincial commercial manager work with rival counties having local parochial funders who not alone say want Roscommon to succeed but equally Mayo and Galway not to.....

How the fûck do you think one company promotes Coca Cola and Sprite at the same time with this attitude?

You have obviously  never dealt with a club or intercounty  GAA official in your life.........

Do you have a clue what a commercial manager would do? You're doing some serious grandstanding here but it doesn't bare much resemblance to reality.

You explain to me how a commercial manager will give 20% of his time yo 5 different masters,

Have you ever had a boss much less 5......

No grandstanding it's common f**king sense
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 30, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
 https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true     (https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true)

Quote


By John Fogarty

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has defended the funding that has been provided to Dublin GAA going back to his time in office.

Ahern played a significant role in Government money being provided for the development of Gaelic games in his native county, close to €1m per year since 2005 via Sport Ireland, which works out at approximately €13m.

In front of an Oireachtas committee last year, former GAA director general Páraic Duffy explained that Ahern was integral to the funding being directed to Dublin.

"That money, originally, when it was allocated to the GAA, was allocated specifically for Dublin, for the development of hurling and football. It was when Bertie Ahern was Taoiseach and, to be fair, it has been really successful in terms of broadening the participation of the games in Dublin."


"It's always a fair question to ask, but I remember the beginning of this decade when Pat [Gilroy] had come in and we got hammered by your good selves (Kerry, 2009 All-Ireland semi-final).

"We weren't doing well at the end of the last decade. As manager of the team, Pat was going around trying to organise funding. If the success didn't come in 2011 and the good league campaign, we wouldn't have got the sponsorship.

"Yes, Dublin has a big population, but it's a tough game in Dublin. It's huge soccer country; it's huge rugby country; it's huge people-who-couldn't-care-less-about-Gaelic-football; huge new Irish population, if I put it that way; and you have people who just aren't sympathetic to GAA in the city."

Ahern accepts the popularity of Gaelic games in Dublin has soared, but pointed back to when that was not the case.

"I remember back in '95, coming back up from a commemoration in Wexford the day of the All-Ireland final, and I had to go to Liberty Hall before I saw the first Dublin colours. It's not like that now, but it was like that.

"I'm not saying Kerry people, because I think we have great respect for each other, but there's a lot of people... like, we didn't win an All-Ireland in the 30s, we won in '42 and the next one was in '58, then it was '63, then we had the great team of '74 to '77 then we had to wait until '83, just one, and then '95. This decade has been brilliant and I keep saying it to Dublin supporters they need to understand that this is a rarity."
Bertie Ahern
 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on August 30, 2018, 07:37:10 AM
Dennis Breen do you have a dirty horn for Dublin football? I never see you posting about kildare. Plenty money invested in kildare gaa.when you likes of monaghan and ourselves with small population  and see kildare under achieve with it huge resources
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 30, 2018, 09:25:30 AM
Kerry has twice the population of Monaghan.
I don't recall central GAA or the Government giving money to Kildare??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on August 30, 2018, 10:45:23 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 30, 2018, 07:37:10 AM
Dennis Breen do you have a dirty horn for Dublin football? I never see you posting about kildare. Plenty money invested in kildare gaa.when you likes of monaghan and ourselves with small population  and see kildare under achieve with it huge resources

At least Dinny is open and transparent on where he is really from.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on August 30, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 30, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true     (https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true)

Quote


By John Fogarty

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has defended the funding that has been provided to Dublin GAA going back to his time in office.

Ahern played a significant role in Government money being provided for the development of Gaelic games in his native county, close to €1m per year since 2005 via Sport Ireland, which works out at approximately €13m.

In front of an Oireachtas committee last year, former GAA director general Páraic Duffy explained that Ahern was integral to the funding being directed to Dublin.

"That money, originally, when it was allocated to the GAA, was allocated specifically for Dublin, for the development of hurling and football. It was when Bertie Ahern was Taoiseach and, to be fair, it has been really successful in terms of broadening the participation of the games in Dublin."


"It's always a fair question to ask, but I remember the beginning of this decade when Pat [Gilroy] had come in and we got hammered by your good selves (Kerry, 2009 All-Ireland semi-final).

"We weren't doing well at the end of the last decade. As manager of the team, Pat was going around trying to organise funding. If the success didn't come in 2011 and the good league campaign, we wouldn't have got the sponsorship.

"Yes, Dublin has a big population, but it's a tough game in Dublin. It's huge soccer country; it's huge rugby country; it's huge people-who-couldn't-care-less-about-Gaelic-football; huge new Irish population, if I put it that way; and you have people who just aren't sympathetic to GAA in the city."

Ahern accepts the popularity of Gaelic games in Dublin has soared, but pointed back to when that was not the case.

"I remember back in '95, coming back up from a commemoration in Wexford the day of the All-Ireland final, and I had to go to Liberty Hall before I saw the first Dublin colours. It's not like that now, but it was like that.

"I'm not saying Kerry people, because I think we have great respect for each other, but there's a lot of people... like, we didn't win an All-Ireland in the 30s, we won in '42 and the next one was in '58, then it was '63, then we had the great team of '74 to '77 then we had to wait until '83, just one, and then '95. This decade has been brilliant and I keep saying it to Dublin supporters they need to understand that this is a rarity."
Bertie Ahern
 

I'm driving around Dublin every day and there's little or no sign that there's an All-Ireland final on Sunday.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 30, 2018, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 30, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true     (https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true)

Quote


By John Fogarty

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has defended the funding that has been provided to Dublin GAA going back to his time in office.

Ahern played a significant role in Government money being provided for the development of Gaelic games in his native county, close to €1m per year since 2005 via Sport Ireland, which works out at approximately €13m.

In front of an Oireachtas committee last year, former GAA director general Páraic Duffy explained that Ahern was integral to the funding being directed to Dublin.

"That money, originally, when it was allocated to the GAA, was allocated specifically for Dublin, for the development of hurling and football. It was when Bertie Ahern was Taoiseach and, to be fair, it has been really successful in terms of broadening the participation of the games in Dublin."


"It's always a fair question to ask, but I remember the beginning of this decade when Pat [Gilroy] had come in and we got hammered by your good selves (Kerry, 2009 All-Ireland semi-final).

"We weren't doing well at the end of the last decade. As manager of the team, Pat was going around trying to organise funding. If the success didn't come in 2011 and the good league campaign, we wouldn't have got the sponsorship.

"Yes, Dublin has a big population, but it's a tough game in Dublin. It's huge soccer country; it's huge rugby country; it's huge people-who-couldn't-care-less-about-Gaelic-football; huge new Irish population, if I put it that way; and you have people who just aren't sympathetic to GAA in the city."

Ahern accepts the popularity of Gaelic games in Dublin has soared, but pointed back to when that was not the case.

"I remember back in '95, coming back up from a commemoration in Wexford the day of the All-Ireland final, and I had to go to Liberty Hall before I saw the first Dublin colours. It's not like that now, but it was like that.

"I'm not saying Kerry people, because I think we have great respect for each other, but there's a lot of people... like, we didn't win an All-Ireland in the 30s, we won in '42 and the next one was in '58, then it was '63, then we had the great team of '74 to '77 then we had to wait until '83, just one, and then '95. This decade has been brilliant and I keep saying it to Dublin supporters they need to understand that this is a rarity."
Bertie Ahern
 

I'm driving around Dublin every day and there's little or no sign that there's an All-Ireland final on Sunday.
GAA still a minority sport in the capital, especially if you ignored all the non-Dubs involved in GAA.  The more central you are, the more that applies. Out in the burbs (some of them), you'd see more flags in windows, cars, etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 30, 2018, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 30, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true     (https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/ahern-defends-dublin-gaas-funding-windfall-865484.html?__twitter_impression=true)

Quote


By John Fogarty

Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has defended the funding that has been provided to Dublin GAA going back to his time in office.

Ahern played a significant role in Government money being provided for the development of Gaelic games in his native county, close to €1m per year since 2005 via Sport Ireland, which works out at approximately €13m.

In front of an Oireachtas committee last year, former GAA director general Páraic Duffy explained that Ahern was integral to the funding being directed to Dublin.

"That money, originally, when it was allocated to the GAA, was allocated specifically for Dublin, for the development of hurling and football. It was when Bertie Ahern was Taoiseach and, to be fair, it has been really successful in terms of broadening the participation of the games in Dublin."


"It's always a fair question to ask, but I remember the beginning of this decade when Pat [Gilroy] had come in and we got hammered by your good selves (Kerry, 2009 All-Ireland semi-final).

"We weren't doing well at the end of the last decade. As manager of the team, Pat was going around trying to organise funding. If the success didn't come in 2011 and the good league campaign, we wouldn't have got the sponsorship.

"Yes, Dublin has a big population, but it's a tough game in Dublin. It's huge soccer country; it's huge rugby country; it's huge people-who-couldn't-care-less-about-Gaelic-football; huge new Irish population, if I put it that way; and you have people who just aren't sympathetic to GAA in the city."

Ahern accepts the popularity of Gaelic games in Dublin has soared, but pointed back to when that was not the case.

"I remember back in '95, coming back up from a commemoration in Wexford the day of the All-Ireland final, and I had to go to Liberty Hall before I saw the first Dublin colours. It's not like that now, but it was like that.

"I'm not saying Kerry people, because I think we have great respect for each other, but there's a lot of people... like, we didn't win an All-Ireland in the 30s, we won in '42 and the next one was in '58, then it was '63, then we had the great team of '74 to '77 then we had to wait until '83, just one, and then '95. This decade has been brilliant and I keep saying it to Dublin supporters they need to understand that this is a rarity."
Bertie Ahern
 

I'm driving around Dublin every day and there's little or no sign that there's an All-Ireland final on Sunday.
Spot on, I was around Dublin in the week of last year's final and there was barely a flag to be seen for a long stretch south of the Liffey. Even Mayo flags were visible.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on August 30, 2018, 12:10:07 PM
Apathy. It's a depressing sight when the sport is so diminished the biggest story of AI final week is some county out west shafting their manager. The GAA is in serious bother.

Bertie sounds like the typical head-in-the-sand Dublin GAA person.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on August 30, 2018, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2018, 12:10:07 PM
Apathy. It's a depressing sight when the sport is so diminished the biggest story of AI final week is some county out west shafting their manager. The GAA is in serious bother.

Bertie sounds like the typical head-in-the-sand Dublin GAA person.

I could imagine Bertie guffawing in Fagan's regaling the clientele about selling the idea to the cabinet regarding the annual donation from the government to Dublin GAA.

A Father Ted like decision.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on August 30, 2018, 12:55:26 PM
No flags? you could argue its a minority sport in Dublin

Dublin Registered Players - 39K
Cork registered players - 33K
Galway registered players- 21k

Dublin population 1.3 million
Cork population - 500k
Galway population - 260k

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120)


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on August 30, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on August 30, 2018, 12:55:26 PM
No flags? you could argue its a minority sport in Dublin

Dublin Registered Players - 39K
Cork registered players - 33K
Galway registered players- 21k

Dublin population 1.3 million
Cork population - 500k
Galway population - 260k

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120)

Crikey registered players v resources/ funding ,that's some disproportionate shit right there . But carry on with the once in a generation players line
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 30, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 30, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: CJ2017 on August 30, 2018, 12:55:26 PM
No flags? you could argue its a minority sport in Dublin

Dublin Registered Players - 39K
Cork registered players - 33K
Galway registered players- 21k

Dublin population 1.3 million
Cork population - 500k
Galway population - 260k

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120)

Crikey registered players v resources/ funding ,that's some disproportionate shit right there . But carry on with the once in a generation players line
Jeez Louise.

Playing numbers and these capital grants are supposed to have no correlation! It's precisely because the playing numbers in Dublin are so low and that so few kids play GAA %wise compared to most other counties, that the grants were awarded. That's why we have GPOs going into junior infants classes and trying to persuade them to pop into their local GAA club.

Whether that's right or wrong is another conversation, and maybe there are other areas in the country where youngsters aren't going to their GAA clubs and we need to do more to persuade them to play
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 30, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
The number of registered adult players per county is very interesting. Dublin's numerical advantage far less pronounced that the pure population figures, which are obviously a complete nonsense given the amount of people in Dublin with no interest in, and often severe dislike of GAA.

But that 39k is sure to grow and the difference increase, given the ever increasing number of country people moving to Dublin. Would be interesting to see the full list of the home county of current Dubs' players parents

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2016/10/04232200/GAA-Investment-1.jpg)

Would be interesting to see these figures further broken down between football, hurling, dual. At first glance it would seem that Galway have twice the pick of Mayo, and when comparing football to football, I'd guess it would be a lot closer.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on August 30, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Hound, some lads on here are not interested in rational thinking when it comes to Dublin.

Is that number purely adult male players across both codes or total, including kids and females?

Dublins football pool pick is realistically adult football teams 1-3, push it out to 1-4 maybe.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on August 31, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Of the 40 Vincent's senior panel players 80% of them, last week, got a fitness test equivalent to a premier league soccer player.

That's club football in Dublin!

Population really isn't the full picture but then again having a 40 player senior panel with the majority as fit as Pogba helps !
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on August 31, 2018, 08:38:47 PM
Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on August 31, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
The number of registered adult players per county is very interesting. Dublin's numerical advantage far less pronounced that the pure population figures, which are obviously a complete nonsense given the amount of people in Dublin with no interest in, and often severe dislike of GAA.

But that 39k is sure to grow and the difference increase, given the ever increasing number of country people moving to Dublin. Would be interesting to see the full list of the home county of current Dubs' players parents

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2016/10/04232200/GAA-Investment-1.jpg)

Would be interesting to see these figures further broken down between football, hurling, dual. At first glance it would seem that Galway have twice the pick of Mayo, and when comparing football to football, I'd guess it would be a lot closer.

Its the number of juveniles that are playing I'd be much more interested in for each county. Obviously there will be a drop out due to other sports, it's a bad way of phrasing it but the better players in the main will be the ones to carry on to play as adults and the lesser players weeded out due to being down the pecking order or on b, c and d teams. I've no idea what the numbers of juveniles in each county, maybe it does mimic the adult numbers in terms of differences
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
There's not 9000 registered adults playing fall in Derry, are we counting a lot of under age here? We do well to have 1200 players playing adult football n Derry, wonder how that compares to Dublin, Kerry, or Cork
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on August 31, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
Nor 6500 in Ross
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2018, 09:18:36 PM
As fit as pogba ain't hard,sure he hardly ever runs lol
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on August 31, 2018, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
There's not 9000 registered adults playing fall in Derry, are we counting a lot of under age here? We do well to have 1200 players playing adult football n Derry, wonder how that compares to Dublin, Kerry, or Cork

Dead right.

Looking at the figure of Fermanagh, there's only 21 football clubs in the county and one hurling club. So each club would have over 100 players. That's horseshit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 01, 2018, 10:05:44 AM
Where did that map and figures come from?
If it's from the GAA annual report does it include everyone from the youngest kids playing U6/U8 fun games up to an oul buck registered in case the Junior B team is stuck for numbers?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on September 01, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Of the 40 Vincent's senior panel players 80% of them, last week, got a fitness test equivalent to a premier league soccer player.

That's club football in Dublin!

Population really isn't the full picture but then again having a 40 player senior panel with the majority as fit as Pogba helps !

Not a hope 40 players on their senior panel unless intermediate team is training with them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 01, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 31, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
Nor 6500 in Ross

The figure for Westmeath implies an average of 178 players per club. Rubbish. That map can be discarded.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on September 01, 2018, 11:34:54 AM
Quote from: shark on September 01, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 31, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
Nor 6500 in Ross

The figure for Westmeath implies an average of 178 players per club. Rubbish. That map can be discarded.

The numbers seem impossibly large, even if every underage player is counted.
Perhaps they could club members?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 01, 2018, 02:13:01 PM
Quote from: shark on September 01, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 31, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
Nor 6500 in Ross

The figure for Westmeath implies an average of 178 players per club. Rubbish. That map can be discarded.
There are many small clubs in Roscommon or Westmeath with 30 players
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 01, 2018, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Of the 40 Vincent's senior panel players 80% of them, last week, got a fitness test equivalent to a premier league soccer player.

That's club football in Dublin!

Population really isn't the full picture but then again having a 40 player senior panel with the majority as fit as Pogba helps !
I would seriously question that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 01, 2018, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Of the 40 Vincent's senior panel players 80% of them, last week, got a fitness test equivalent to a premier league soccer player.

That's club football in Dublin!

Population really isn't the full picture but then again having a 40 player senior panel with the majority as fit as Pogba helps !

Dublin have plenty of real advantages but this one smells distinctly of shïte.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 01, 2018, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2018, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 31, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
Of the 40 Vincent's senior panel players 80% of them, last week, got a fitness test equivalent to a premier league soccer player.

That's club football in Dublin!

Population really isn't the full picture but then again having a 40 player senior panel with the majority as fit as Pogba helps !

Dublin have plenty of real advantages but this one smells distinctly of shïte.


Fully right Syf  on many levels
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 01, 2018, 06:25:34 PM
Sounds like classic pub-talk.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2018, 09:59:24 PM
Am sure St Vincents have got 40 senior players; Slaughtneil woukd have 30 odd! Whether they are all fitter than a professional soccer playsr is another matter
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on September 01, 2018, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2018, 09:59:24 PM
Am sure St Vincents have got 40 senior players; Slaughtneil woukd have 30 odd! Whether they are all fitter than a professional soccer playsr is another matter

Vincents don't have 40 in their senior squad. They have 3 additional football adult teams. How many football teams do Slaughtneil have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 01, 2018, 10:42:14 PM
Would had 3 up to last year! First 40 players combine senior and reserve with over 10 of the reserve good enough for the senior. The 3rds would be to give another 20 odd players fball but i say like most 3rds they there for playing games and likely dont train much!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 02, 2018, 08:23:24 PM
Level playing field, my arse

Even the refs are corrupt
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2018, 11:09:49 AM
Quote from: tippabu on August 31, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
The number of registered adult players per county is very interesting. Dublin's numerical advantage far less pronounced that the pure population figures, which are obviously a complete nonsense given the amount of people in Dublin with no interest in, and often severe dislike of GAA.

But that 39k is sure to grow and the difference increase, given the ever increasing number of country people moving to Dublin. Would be interesting to see the full list of the home county of current Dubs' players parents

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2016/10/04232200/GAA-Investment-1.jpg)

Would be interesting to see these figures further broken down between football, hurling, dual. At first glance it would seem that Galway have twice the pick of Mayo, and when comparing football to football, I'd guess it would be a lot closer.

Its the number of juveniles that are playing I'd be much more interested in for each county. Obviously there will be a drop out due to other sports, it's a bad way of phrasing it but the better players in the main will be the ones to carry on to play as adults and the lesser players weeded out due to being down the pecking order or on b, c and d teams. I've no idea what the numbers of juveniles in each county, maybe it does mimic the adult numbers in terms of differences
I think Hound is one of the very few Dubs that realises that Dublin clubs aren't in the healthy state the statistics might imply.
Looking at the infographic above, it's obvious that Dublin has approx four times as many registered players as Mayo.
But it has ten times its population!
Doing a bit of bog mathematics, you could say that the percentage of Mayo people actively involved in GAA activities is two and a half times that of Dublin.
There are many reasons, in part historical, that are the cause of this low participation rate  but all of them are not outside Dublin/s clubs' control.
There is a fundamental flaw in the Dublin club model and no amount of development grants is going to eradicate this.
A couple of weeks ago, the chairman of Na Fianna club said that the club caters for up to 2,000 juveniles every weekend. (Personally, I can't see this being the case but Jimmy Grey is a well-known and respected GAA man and I can't say the figure he gave is over exaggerated.)
IMO, the main problem I am talking about can be seen here. Out of a starting figure of 2,000, how many are likely to play senior football for the club, never mind intercounty? What percentage is likely to play adult football of any grade. (Junior etc.) How about under 20s or even minor?
The drop out rate is staggering and there's little point in looking elsewhere when the main problem is the sheer size of most Dublin clubs. Mega clubs are ideal for producing elite players but are a very inefficient way of appealing to kids to come and join up unless the they have a few pals joining up also.
The soccer model is far more successful at attracting juveniles than the gah  will ever be and no amount of GPO or whatever will overcome this. There are hundreds of small soccer clubs where the members are drawn for the same couple of streets and everyone knows everybody else. The manager is likely to be someone's da or uncle or neighbour or whatever. No massive infrastructures to .be paid for and maintained- a disused 40 foot containers and a council pitch is all that needed. There's serious rivalry between kids from different primary schools in many cases that must be kept in mind also. You could be pardoned for thinking that the prospect of a hot shower at the end of a game would be an inducement for kids to join up but the exact is very often the case. Children can very very skittish about stripping off in front of strangers.There are lots of similar disincentives that make most kids less likely to join a gah club over a soccer one 
There's another infographic on page two of this thread that will back up what I am saying. During the period 2010-2014 Dublin got ten times as much development funds from the GAA as Mayo did and yet club football in Mayo is on a far more solid footing than their Dublin counterparts.
Lashing money into GPO structures is very inefficient way of putting development money. People who advocate this have very short memories.
The number of males teaching at primary level is dropping rapidly but every boys' school from the foundation of the GAA up to the first years of this century had one or more individuals actively promoting Gaelic games. There was no need for clubs to go looking for new members back then and yet less than 5% of those who played Gaelic for their schools went on to play for their local club.
I was involved in primary school GAA for many years and I'm talking from experience here.
Starving other counties of the cash they could do with and diverting it to Dublin where it's not put to good use is no way to promote GAA games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 03, 2018, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2018, 11:09:49 AM
Starving other counties of the cash they could do with and diverting it to Dublin where it's not put to good use is no way to promote GAA games.

Agreed.

The biggest role the GAA has in the Ireland of the future is in fighting the oncoming obesity crisis. For that, its all about participation levels and not the 3rd Sunday in September... errr, whatever date its gonna be now.

What is really needed in Dublin (and to be fair, most big towns/cities across the country) is more playing fields. Ideally these would be with new clubs aligned with primary schools. But that is a tough task due to history, or lack of.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tyrdub on September 03, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 02, 2018, 08:23:24 PM
Level playing field, my arse

Even the refs are corrupt

Proof??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 03, 2018, 05:07:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on September 03, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 02, 2018, 08:23:24 PM
Level playing field, my arse

Even the refs are corrupt

Proof??
The process for appointing them firstly is highly political within the GAA
Referees from bigger counties always seem to favour other big counties.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 03, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
Ewan MacKenna

So what about that soothing influence of Ciarán Kilkenny... and that boundless pace and effort and energy of Jack McCaffrey... and the breakout and emergence of Brian Howard as the latest in a long line of the next big Dublin thing... and that wastefulness of the Tyrone forwards... and that undisruptable belief of the champions... and that penalty decision by Conor Lane... and that...

Ah forget it.

This is pointless.

For those of us that don't enjoy shopping, this season was again predictably grim. Indeed it's reached the stage where Stephen Cluxton's annual pilgrimage to hoist the Sam Maguire should be accompanied by the beep you hear at a supermarket check-out. There's much talent and much dedication for sure. But this has been in part bought for them.

In fact the mention of population and money by the goalkeeper in his speech was hugely revealing as deep down they know this is an artificial franchise doing no more than they should be given all their in-built advantages.

For instance, for some time it's been hard not to admire Sky's attempt to bring a tactical analysis to their coverage rather than broader brush strokes. Yet it was both funny and depressing to watch their efforts ahead of this rouse of a final. So much wasted work, all to convince themselves so they could convince viewers that the very cornerstone of sport – some semblance of uncertainty around the outcome – was present. It wasn't though, so why should anyone really care anymore? In the hours after the whistle, we asked ourselves that over and over and there's no answer.

We know how this will be met by those with their eyes closed and their hands over their ears that cannot and will not deal with the truth. They'll deflect with those lazy modern words meant to stunt debate so they don't have to think. Bitter. Begrudger. Negative. Jealous. They might even go on social media where a ready-made meme is awaiting to serve their idiocy. However, enough is enough, as our game has been sold from beneath us, with its greatest day reduced to a bounty for those big into sadism.

It's true Dublin winning was never popular in other places, however, there was a time when cheering against them was a form of entertainment regardless of the outcome. It brought out emotion but there's no longer a point as inevitability doesn't cause feelings. It's left it completely soulless. And largely pointless.

This isn't nice to write and there are those in the capital tired of hearing it, but can they imagine what it's like to be the rest living it? You'd want to be a serious schmuck to pull up a poker table where the guy with the pile of chips is best buddies with the dealer and is allowed to see your cards. But that is what the GAA has been asking the rest to do for some time. If they sell their sport on the wonderful notion of identity, then they are also asking the other 31 places to not just have that identity humiliated, but to pay for the privilege, all so their business partner and resident cash cow can celebrate more.

Watching on yesterday, and drifting away due to the numbness of it all, a long lost conversation was recalled. It was 2014, the days after the World Cup final, and as the dust settled a group of journalists gathered in a bar in Rio de Janeiro. A multinational group, they were soccer-ed out so I mentioned football back home and the championship.

The more I explained about Dublin and the way it was set-up for them to win, the others couldn't get over the monopolistic situation and funding discrepancies. These people cover what has become the most shallowly capitalistic sport of all, yet they laughed at what occurs here.


Do you know how much money Dublin were given in games development funding between 2007 and 2017? It was €16,612,847.

That will mean nothing without context so next try and take a stab at what Tyrone got? It was €560,256.

And yet earlier this summer, the GAA said that funding might – MIGHT – be an issue.

And now it's kind of dawning? Rock erodes faster.

What's a greater achievement than Dublin's on-field success though, as it's a large part of that on-field success, was the deal they struck. Funding levels should, of course, have either been based on actual population with the county split to mirror that, or on registered players with the fielding of one team. But it was in 2004, against the wishes and warnings of major players, that the Dublin chairman, with Bertie Ahern's help, managed to get the best of both worlds.

Money based on total population. While fielding just the single intercounty team. What we have today is a consequence of such biased lunacy. With Dublin having the funding of a province, sponsorship greater than any province, with government investment greater than any province, with the numbers of a province, we are told their winning always is to be considered some unbelievable achievement. So stacked is it in their favour that the only thing that would be unbelievable was if they weren't winning.

The reality is a sad one, but this Dublin should have been capturing Railway Cups and not All Irelands. And this Dublin should host its own intercounty championship as other provinces do. The idea of splitting the place is terrible given what they represent to many, but it's the only option as continuing on this way will no longer be accepted by the rest.

Still, through it all, we've been subjected to all the lies and excuses and bullsh*t.

That money doesn't kick the ball over the bar, as if the billion-dollar sports science and coaching industry worldwide is quackery.

That others need to get their house in order as if your local butcher doing much right will see him take over from Tesco.

That Kilkenny and Kerry won lots, as if they were massively favoured to the tune of tens of millions more than the rest.

That not being in awe knocks the effort and volunteerism of those in the county, when all put in the hours only no others get rewards.

That this is a golden generation, while redefining the length of a generation.

That Mayo used to get close, giving the illusion of competition.

Such blusterous nonsense no longer works, meaning those trying to pull off this heist and make you believe it's somehow organic as the conveyor belt runs smoothly will tell you that Stephen Cluxton is the card that will bring the house down. For sure he redefined his position but he was poor yesterday as his team played mostly in third gear and cruised home. And it's not like they won't find another goalkeeper as they have done with every other position.

Remember a few years back when the GAA and Dublin fobbed people off with the notion that when Alan Brogan retires it'd be all over. Soon after it became about Bernard. And then Diarmuid Connolly and Paul Flynn. Well, now there's Jack McCaffrey and John Small and Brian Fenton and Niall Scully and Ciarán Kilkenny and Con O'Callaghan and Paul Mannion and Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan and Colm Basquel and Cormac Costello. And many more young geniuses will follow their brilliance in the years to come.

Of course some of these players have incredible natural ability you cannot teach, but statistically, Dublin should have more of such players given population. And as for other attributes and other players, they have the money to coach them better than the rest. Look at it this way. If France, Spain and Germany with their economic engines joined for soccer, if on top of sponsorship money they were given the majority of Fifa funding too, if they won all before them, would you be celebrating that they won or deriding how they won?

There isn't parity in sport and there are always those that lose out. Look at Leitrim beside Galway and Mayo. Their situation sees them way behind but it wasn't made worse by giving Connacht's biggest and best so much more and telling its worst off to play ball. That's what happened at a national level though and as the gaps increase and more and more fall through the cracks, it's funny to hear people suggest a B championship is a solution. Will it have 31 teams?

Last year Dublin's winning margin per summer game was an astounding 12.5 points, the most of any champion in the modern era. This year it again surpassed the dozen mark. And what's next? With an urban shift it is the major growth centre in Ireland, in the best economic situation, as the wealth gap grows too.

This problem is, therefore, going to get worse. Way worse. And already we were only two freak games away from Dublin winning 14 provincials and six All Irelands on the bounce with that allowed to become the norm.

Intercounty football fell on bad health some years ago and people still celebrated.

Yesterday as the confetti fell, it flat-lined.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 03, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
Nobody is allowed question the funding of the Dublin empire.
Nor the fact they barely have to run any fundraising for their county teams as the sponsorship they rake in more than covers expenses.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 03, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
Am still of the opinion that all teams are competing in the senior all Ireland series and gaa funding should be split equally no matter if your Dublin or leitrim
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 03, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 03, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
Am still of the opinion that all teams are competing in the team all Ireland series and gaa funding should be split equally no matter if your Dublin or leitrim

They should be split equally with a spending cap and mileage centrally funded. And HQ need to provide access to expertise to smaller counties if they want to let larger counties uprise the likes of Donie Buckley or Caroline Currid. They need to understand that if they're treating the sport like a product by selling it to Sky, they need to treat the development of it like a product too and try to enforce as much parity as they possibly can.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 03, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 03, 2018, 08:14:27 PM
Nobody is allowed question the funding of the Dublin empire.
Nor the fact they barely have to run any fundraising for their county teams as the sponsorship they rake in more than covers expenses.
Nobody is allowed question it? Really?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 03, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
What doesn't help matters is the present President of the GAA John Horan is a Dub. From listening to him in interviews, he is in as much denial as the average Dub supporter on the street. And the GAA President is enjoying their success (as he rightly is expected to).
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 03, 2018, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
What doesn't help matters is the present President of the GAA John Horan is a Dub. From listening to him in interviews, he is in as much denial as the average Dub supporter on the street. And the GAA President is enjoying their success (as he rightly is expected to).
What are we denying exacrly?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
Lads, remember INDIANA?
Where's he gone?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 03, 2018, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
Lads, remember INDIANA?
Where's he gone?

Is he sulking due to the absence of St Vincent's players on the Dublin panel? ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 10:09:28 PM
He took the summer off and headed to the States to support Dermo.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 03, 2018, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
Lads, remember INDIANA?
Where's he gone?

Where has Zulu gone? went missing after the 20th minute of yesterdays game. Come to think of it he's probably watching replays of those exciting Super 8 games that made our summer so exciting!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Clinker on September 03, 2018, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 10:05:49 PM
Lads, remember INDIANA?
Where's he gone?

He was good craic on Up for the Match. His posts here didn't do justice to his real self.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 10:14:58 PM
Reckon he got a gig in the backroom team minding the back-up iPad for the stats.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 03, 2018, 10:27:46 PM
McKenna is on the tonight show tonight on tv3 of whatever the channel is called these days
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 04, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2018, 10:27:46 PM
McKenna is on the tonight show tonight on tv3 of whatever the channel is called these days

McKenna got all his points across as well as he could over a skype connection. Aodhan O'Riordan sang to his electorate ''How dare he put down the hard work of the man on the ground'''. And attacked the McKenna's personality after that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: criostlinn on September 04, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
What ever happened to the old mantra "Dublin winning an All Ireland is good for the Gaa"

Now that Cork football is at such a low point should the Gaa consider pumping huge amounts of money, lets say 16 million over 10 years or something like that into Cork Gaa and whilst at it cut off vital funding to all other counties. And then just to put the icing on the cake lets move all serious football matches into parc ui choaimh. Let them have home advantage in all championship matches.

Cork Football is competing with so many other sports, surely a solution like this can only benefit the Gaa.

We would still have a problem with the population but maybe a couple of rule changes like Cork would have first dibs on players from all of Munster would help.

It may seem radical and may not go down well in the capital but the organisation has to step up for the "good of the GAA"

Could Michael Martin as Taoiseach deliver something like this

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 04, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2018, 10:27:46 PM
McKenna is on the tonight show tonight on tv3 of whatever the channel is called these days

McKenna got all his points across as well as he could over a skype connection. Aodhan O'Riordan sang to his electorate ''How dare he put down the hard work of the man on the ground'''. And attacked the McKenna's personality after that.

So they got a fanboy to rebuttal and gave MacKenna no right to reply. Fox News level broadcasting.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 04, 2018, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.
You can't. The Dubs are like a supertrawler hoovering up talent into their massive system with other counties like small fishing boats. It isn't even remotely sustainable. None of the other counties have the resources to compete.

The GAA can either bring in more counties from somewhere else to give the Dubs a game or else cut the Dubs down to the size of the competitors . It won't fix itself.

I think it puts a different slant on the summer travails of counties like Laois and Meath too.
Compared to the Dubs they were way off the mark but the Dubs are mutant.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on September 04, 2018, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 04, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
What ever happened to the old mantra "Dublin winning an All Ireland is good for the Gaa"

Now that Cork football is at such a low point should the Gaa consider pumping huge amounts of money, lets say 16 million over 10 years or something like that into Cork Gaa and whilst at it cut off vital funding to all other counties. And then just to put the icing on the cake lets move all serious football matches into parc ui choaimh. Let them have home advantage in all championship matches.

Cork Football is competing with so many other sports, surely a solution like this can only benefit the Gaa.

We would still have a problem with the population but maybe a couple of rule changes like Cork would have first dibs on players from all of Munster would help.

It may seem radical and may not go down well in the capital but the organisation has to step up for the "good of the GAA"

Could Michael Martin as Taoiseach deliver something like this

I suppose compulsory cross breeding between the Kerry Men's team and Cork Ladies would be out of the question nowadays?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 04, 2018, 11:25:44 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/an-eternal-dublin-empire-is-nothing-to-be-excited-about-1.3616123?mode=amp

At last someone other than McKenna has seen the light.
Hopefully officialdom in the 24 football Counties will start making Central GAA open their eyes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.
Think you're way too harsh on us Jinxy.

"The money" doesn't go to the elite players! At any level.

Yes, our senior players are extremely well looked after due to the AIG and other sponsors' money. They don't have to waste time and energy fundraising, like they used to have to, and other counties still do. I'm sure Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone senior players are very well looked after too. All players in every county still have to do their day job, and Dublin are absolutely no better off in that regard than anyone else, with the exception of a key advantage of all our lads working and living in probably a 30 mile radius.

"The money" goes into capital projects and trying to increase numbers playing and goes to both codes equally.

People can believe what they want, and if they want to believe that the main reason Dublin have won 4 All Irelands in a row is because of development grant money, then they can kid themselves all they want. And they can ignore the fact we have the best manager in the country, a top freetaker, the most intelligent team we've ever had, some lads with frightening pace, athleticism and fielding ability, no team works harder, and the best keeper ever to play the game. The 16m development funds played not a single part in those attributes. 

At 5-1 down, the lightening fast, inch perfect, kickout by Cluxton right into the path of the bullet-like McCaffrey as he charged down the field, the intelligent run and leadership qualities of Kilkenny to demand the ball, and the ability to stick it over the black spot. Back in the game.
You'd wanna be fairly bitter to really believe that money bought that. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.
Think you're way too harsh on us Jinxy.

"The money" doesn't go to the elite players! At any level.

Yes, our senior players are extremely well looked after due to the AIG and other sponsors' money. They don't have to waste time and energy fundraising, like they used to have to, and other counties still do. I'm sure Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone senior players are very well looked after too. All players in every county still have to do their day job, and Dublin are absolutely no better off in that regard than anyone else, with the exception of a key advantage of all our lads working and living in probably a 30 mile radius.

"The money" goes into capital projects and trying to increase numbers playing and goes to both codes equally.

People can believe what they want, and if they want to believe that the main reason Dublin have won 4 All Irelands in a row is because of development grant money, then they can kid themselves all they want. And they can ignore the fact we have the best manager in the country, a top freetaker, the most intelligent team we've ever had, some lads with frightening pace, athleticism and fielding ability, no team works harder, and the best keeper ever to play the game. The 16m development funds played not a single part in those attributes. 

At 5-1 down, the lightening fast, inch perfect, kickout by Cluxton right into the path of the bullet-like McCaffrey as he charged down the field, the intelligent run and leadership qualities of Kilkenny to demand the ball, and the ability to stick it over the black spot. Back in the game.
You'd wanna be fairly bitter to really believe that money bought that.

Even if we take it that the lads playing now aren't seeing the benefit of that money surely you have to see that the current crop of Elite players were taking advantage of the money pumped into the grass roots in the last 10 years!!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 11:40:25 AM

Even if we take it that the lads playing now aren't seeing the benefit of that money surely you have to see that the current crop of Elite players were taking advantage of the money pumped into the grass roots in the last 10 years!!!
That's exactly it, they weren't!

Every lad would be coached by parents during their club careers. Then when they go onto Dublin development panels, they'd be coached by unpaid ex Dubs players.

While there's the odd exception, the vast majority of the paid coaches are young people, with little or no experience. They wouldn't be let near the senior teams or better underage teams. Most of their time is spent going to National Schools giving PE classes to primary school children and encouraging them to join the club where the parents take over. They'll run classes "train the trainer" type for the volunteer parents have little/no experience to teach them the basic skills and how to teach the basic skills. Nothing about tactics, etc. The parents with senior playing experience or who have coached for a while would tend not to go with those, as they'd know more than the young paid coach.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 04, 2018, 12:13:42 PM
I wonder how viewing figures for this years football championship games compare with figures from the last 10 years.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 12:18:41 PM
Hound giving Joseph Goebbels a run for his money.

This amused me on Twitter.

QuoteTo be fair, this Dublin team are a great example of what can be achieved with attitude, physicality, home advantage, professional coaching and 10 times the development money of your nearest rivals for last 15 years.

I think Jim Gavin said that, after saying these guys don't benefit financially from playing for Dublin, just before he drove off to the Gibson Hotel in his Subaru before flying out today with Aer Lingus to America.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 11:40:25 AM

Even if we take it that the lads playing now aren't seeing the benefit of that money surely you have to see that the current crop of Elite players were taking advantage of the money pumped into the grass roots in the last 10 years!!!
That's exactly it, they weren't!

Every lad would be coached by parents during their club careers. Then when they go onto Dublin development panels, they'd be coached by unpaid ex Dubs players.

While there's the odd exception, the vast majority of the paid coaches are young people, with little or no experience. They wouldn't be let near the senior teams or better underage teams. Most of their time is spent going to National Schools giving PE classes to primary school children and encouraging them to join the club where the parents take over. They'll run classes "train the trainer" type for the volunteer parents have little/no experience to teach them the basic skills and how to teach the basic skills. Nothing about tactics, etc. The parents with senior playing experience or who have coached for a while would tend not to go with those, as they'd know more than the young paid coach.

Yes these young coaches who have probably gone through a rigorous selection programme which would demand a lifetime in the GAA and a University education then upon obtaining the role they are delivering the the best funded coaching programme the sport has ever seen!!

I was in Dublin 2006 and Enda McNulty was the Coaching officer for Ballyboden and they had 2 at that stage for one club. . . You can't tell me that the younger lads on the Dublin team have not been receiving the benefit from it it's crazy to suggest otherwise!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 04, 2018, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 12:18:41 PM
Hound giving Joseph Goebbels a run for his money.

This amused me on Twitter.

QuoteTo be fair, this Dublin team are a great example of what can be achieved with attitude, physicality, home advantage, professional coaching and 10 times the development money of your nearest rivals for last 15 years.

I think Jim Gavin said that, after saying these guys don't benefit financially from playing for Dublin, just before he drove off to the Gibson Hotel in his Subaru before flying out today with Aer Lingus to America.
If a few counties refused to take part next year would it help?
The championship has its own momentum which distracts from the problem with the system. So do the crowds at the final and all the media excitement. The GAA doesn't seem to know what to do.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Saffronista on September 04, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.
Think you're way too harsh on us Jinxy.

"The money" doesn't go to the elite players! At any level.

Yes, our senior players are extremely well looked after due to the AIG and other sponsors' money. They don't have to waste time and energy fundraising, like they used to have to, and other counties still do. I'm sure Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone senior players are very well looked after too. All players in every county still have to do their day job, and Dublin are absolutely no better off in that regard than anyone else, with the exception of a key advantage of all our lads working and living in probably a 30 mile radius.

"The money" goes into capital projects and trying to increase numbers playing and goes to both codes equally.

People can believe what they want, and if they want to believe that the main reason Dublin have won 4 All Irelands in a row is because of development grant money, then they can kid themselves all they want. And they can ignore the fact we have the best manager in the country, a top freetaker, the most intelligent team we've ever had, some lads with frightening pace, athleticism and fielding ability, no team works harder, and the best keeper ever to play the game. The 16m development funds played not a single part in those attributes. 

At 5-1 down, the lightening fast, inch perfect, kickout by Cluxton right into the path of the bullet-like McCaffrey as he charged down the field, the intelligent run and leadership qualities of Kilkenny to demand the ball, and the ability to stick it over the black spot. Back in the game.
You'd wanna be fairly bitter to really believe that money bought that.

Fully agree Hound, money can buy you all the best facilities, equipment, gear etc etc but without technical skill set, commitment, motivation and hunger it would be as well thrown into the Liffey!

Dublin are raising the bar, year on year, in terms of tactics, athleticism, fitness and skill... its up to the rest who wants to work to bridge the gap.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 12:18:41 PM
Hound giving Joseph Goebbels a run for his money.

This amused me on Twitter.

QuoteTo be fair, this Dublin team are a great example of what can be achieved with attitude, physicality, home advantage, professional coaching and 10 times the development money of your nearest rivals for last 15 years.

I think Jim Gavin said that, after saying these guys don't benefit financially from playing for Dublin, just before he drove off to the Gibson Hotel in his Subaru before flying out today with Aer Lingus to America.
If none of Jim Gavin, Declan Darcy and Jason Sherlock get paid, is it still "professional coaching" because they are so much better than most others?
I think we pay a dietician or something. But so do a lot of other counties.
A lot of players in other counties get use of a car also, and any team that wins the All Ireland can count on a free holiday. Many that don't win it get a free holiday.
But glad that tweet cheered you up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 04, 2018, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Saffronista on September 04, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.
Think you're way too harsh on us Jinxy.

"The money" doesn't go to the elite players! At any level.

Yes, our senior players are extremely well looked after due to the AIG and other sponsors' money. They don't have to waste time and energy fundraising, like they used to have to, and other counties still do. I'm sure Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone senior players are very well looked after too. All players in every county still have to do their day job, and Dublin are absolutely no better off in that regard than anyone else, with the exception of a key advantage of all our lads working and living in probably a 30 mile radius.

"The money" goes into capital projects and trying to increase numbers playing and goes to both codes equally.

People can believe what they want, and if they want to believe that the main reason Dublin have won 4 All Irelands in a row is because of development grant money, then they can kid themselves all they want. And they can ignore the fact we have the best manager in the country, a top freetaker, the most intelligent team we've ever had, some lads with frightening pace, athleticism and fielding ability, no team works harder, and the best keeper ever to play the game. The 16m development funds played not a single part in those attributes. 

At 5-1 down, the lightening fast, inch perfect, kickout by Cluxton right into the path of the bullet-like McCaffrey as he charged down the field, the intelligent run and leadership qualities of Kilkenny to demand the ball, and the ability to stick it over the black spot. Back in the game.
You'd wanna be fairly bitter to really believe that money bought that.

Fully agree Hound, money can buy you all the best facilities, equipment, gear etc etc but without technical skill set, commitment, motivation and hunger it would be as well thrown into the Liffey!

Dublin are raising the bar, year on year, in terms of tactics, athleticism, fitness and skill... its up to the rest who wants to work to bridge the gap.
Them lazy Laythrum hoors.....
If they'd only do a bit of work they could do 4 in a row too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 04, 2018, 03:13:12 PM
1. Jim Gavin (manager): Since taking over in 2012, the former Under-21 manager has won three All-Irelands, four Leinster titles and four Allianz Leagues.

2. Brian Doyle (sports administrator): Works with head of high performance Bryan Cullen (not pictured).

3. Ray Boyne (head of performance analysis): On and off, the Ulster Bank employee has been crunching numbers for Dublin teams since 2003.

4. Mick Deegan (selector): Gavin's right-hand man since 2012, he is the manager's voice on the sideline - passing instructions to the players.

5. Jonathan Courtney (backroom team): The former Sarsfields (Kildare) manager is a former colleague of Gavin's in the defence forces.

6. Niall Barry (physio): The chartered physiotherapist has also worked with Leinster Rugby, Cricket Ireland and Clontarf Rugby.

7. Chris Farrell (cameraman): Involved with Gavin's All-Ireland winning Under-21s in 2012, he shoots match footage for analysis.

8. Tony Boylan (logistics): Looks after the transport of all kit and equipment.

9. Davy Byrne (goalkeeping coach): The former Dublin player has the happy task of honing the skills of Stephen Cluxton - who already held the number 1 shirt when Byrne retired in 2002.

10. James Cullen (physio): Working with the Dublin footballers since 2007, he also treats the Irish rugby team having previously been with Leinster for eight years.

11. Shane O'Hanlon (selector): The St Vincent's man is with Gavin since the Under-21 days and has been described by the manager as his 'operations manager'.

12. Jason Sherlock (forwards coach): The former 'Darling of the Hill' was a team-mate of Gavin's and has been working with the attackers for the past two years.

13. Declan Darcy (selector): Famously captained Leitrim to a Connacht title in 1994 before returning to his native Dublin. He and Deegan work mostly with the defenders in training.

14. Jim Gavin senior (backroom team): Provider of fatherly advice to the manager.

15. Bernard Dunne (lifestyle coach): Involved since 2013, the former WBA super bantamweight champion has described his role as "helping Jim in any way I can".

16. David Boylan (logistics): A son of Tony, he assists with the transport of Dublin's matchday equipment.

17. Daniel Davey (nutritionist): Like other members of the backroom team, Davey also works with Leinster Rugby. The former Sligo footballer tells them what to eat and when to eat.

18. Anne-Marie Kennedy (yoga teacher): Involved since 2013, Kennedy helps the players with breathing techniques and their mobility.

19. Mick Seavers (Dublin county board vice-chairman): The Erin's Isle man was elected in 2015.

20. Kieran O'Reilly (physio): Having previously worked with rugby and soccer professionals, O'Reilly is currently also involved with the Irish cricket team.

21. Frank Roebuck (stats): A clubmate of Gavin's at Round Towers, he assists Boyne in analysing the game data gathered.

22. Seamus McCormack (media manager): The former Erin's Isle footballer brings his Air Corps background to bare as he helps control the huge interest in Gavin and his team.

23. Ciaran O'Malley (doctor): Looks after the matchday medical needs of the squad.

That was the 'volunteer' backroom team in 2016, in anyways.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 04, 2018, 03:20:39 PM
The logistical mans son is listed...

Every county has that sort of lineup.

League of Ireland soccer clubs have all that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 04, 2018, 03:22:11 PM
QuoteThe logistical mans son is listed...

Every country has that sort of lineup.

League of Ireland soccer clubs have all that.

Thank you. Your in agreement that the Dubs are as big as an International outfit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 03:24:52 PM
Bernard Dunne (lifestyle coach).

A what now?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.

I just think to call athletes dopers, of any kind, isn't really on to be honest unless you have concrete evidence that they are in fact doped. I know in your post you mention hard work as well, but by calling them doped you are taking away all credit from them for anything they have achieved over the last few years.

The figures and graphs bandied about, like the latest article yesterday that talk about Dublin getting 16 million over the last 10 yrs and Tyrone only getting 560k. just aren't accurate and they have been debunked before and all come from the same source. Without doubt Dublin have money behind them but so do some of their competitors like Kerry and Tyrone. Even in the hurling, this years winners are bankrolled by a multi millionaire.

Take players from any of the top few inter county teams in football and hurling:
They all work with S&C specialists
They all work with Sports Psychologists
They all have access to Physio's and medical experts on tap
They all have backroom teams of approx 30 people give or take a couple
They all train in top facilities (Currans Centre, Garvaghey etc.)
They all get free cars
They all get free Holidays / Go on training camps
They all have underage coaching structures in place (some got them together later than others). See quote below from Tomas O'Se from the weekend
"You have to give a lot of credit to the structures they have within the county...Donal Daly organised everything. He has coaches under him who coach the coaches within the clubs, They have structures then for academy players, they start at under-14 level. They bring them through, they're giving the expertise that they have to them,"
They all work or study and train only in their spare time

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team have got over their closest rivals due to an injection of massive amounts of money?
What are they getting out of this money that Kerry for example do not have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.

I just think to call athletes dopers, of any kind, isn't really on to be honest unless you have concrete evidence that they are in fact doped. I know in your post you mention hard work as well, but by calling them doped you are taking away all credit from them for anything they have achieved over the last few years.

The figures and graphs bandied about, like the latest article yesterday that talk about Dublin getting 16 million over the last 10 yrs and Tyrone only getting 560k. just aren't accurate and they have been debunked before and all come from the same source. Without doubt Dublin have money behind them but so do some of their competitors like Kerry and Tyrone. Even in the hurling, this years winners are bankrolled by a multi millionaire.

Take players from any of the top few inter county teams in football and hurling:
They all work with S&C specialists
They all work with Sports Psychologists
They all have access to Physio's and medical experts on tap
They all have backroom teams of approx 30 people give or take a couple
They all train in top facilities (Currans Centre, Garvaghey etc.)
They all get free cars
They all get free Holidays / Go on training camps
They all have underage coaching structures in place (some got them together later than others). See quote below from Tomas O'Se from the weekend
"You have to give a lot of credit to the structures they have within the county...Donal Daly organised everything. He has coaches under him who coach the coaches within the clubs, They have structures then for academy players, they start at under-14 level. They bring them through, they're giving the expertise that they have to them,"
They all work or study and train only in their spare time

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team have got over their closest rivals due to an injection of massive amounts of money?
What are they getting out of this money that Kerry for example do not have?

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 04, 2018, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.

I just think to call athletes dopers, of any kind, isn't really on to be honest unless you have concrete evidence that they are in fact doped. I know in your post you mention hard work as well, but by calling them doped you are taking away all credit from them for anything they have achieved over the last few years.

The figures and graphs bandied about, like the latest article yesterday that talk about Dublin getting 16 million over the last 10 yrs and Tyrone only getting 560k. just aren't accurate and they have been debunked before and all come from the same source. Without doubt Dublin have money behind them but so do some of their competitors like Kerry and Tyrone. Even in the hurling, this years winners are bankrolled by a multi millionaire.

Take players from any of the top few inter county teams in football and hurling:
They all work with S&C specialists
They all work with Sports Psychologists
They all have access to Physio's and medical experts on tap
They all have backroom teams of approx 30 people give or take a couple
They all train in top facilities (Currans Centre, Garvaghey etc.)
They all get free cars
They all get free Holidays / Go on training camps
They all have underage coaching structures in place (some got them together later than others). See quote below from Tomas O'Se from the weekend
"You have to give a lot of credit to the structures they have within the county...Donal Daly organised everything. He has coaches under him who coach the coaches within the clubs, They have structures then for academy players, they start at under-14 level. They bring them through, they're giving the expertise that they have to them,"
They all work or study and train only in their spare time

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team have got over their closest rivals due to an injection of massive amounts of money?
What are they getting out of this money that Kerry for example do not have?

I have never once seen these figures debunked.  Throw up a link there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: LeoMc on September 04, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
I think the 'financial doping' accusation is pretty appropriate in this context.
Take a supremely fit athlete, who trains hard, eats all the right food, gets 8 hours sleep etc.
Now, give him steroids, growth hormone, EPO etc.
He was already a brilliant athlete, working as hard as he could, now you've made him unbeatable.
This is what a lot of Dublin fans don't seem to understand.
Nobody is saying this Dublin team, and by extension the county board, haven't put in trojan work over many years to reach this point.
In the same way the Kilkenny county board had their systems & structures in place for their glory years.
The difference between the two examples is the massive injection of money that Dublin received, which (per capita) is far in excess of that available to other counties.
You can replicate hard work.
You can't replicate money.

I just think to call athletes dopers, of any kind, isn't really on to be honest unless you have concrete evidence that they are in fact doped. I know in your post you mention hard work as well, but by calling them doped you are taking away all credit from them for anything they have achieved over the last few years.

The figures and graphs bandied about, like the latest article yesterday that talk about Dublin getting 16 million over the last 10 yrs and Tyrone only getting 560k. just aren't accurate and they have been debunked before and all come from the same source. Without doubt Dublin have money behind them but so do some of their competitors like Kerry and Tyrone. Even in the hurling, this years winners are bankrolled by a multi millionaire.

Take players from any of the top few inter county teams in football and hurling:
They all work with S&C specialists
They all work with Sports Psychologists
They all have access to Physio's and medical experts on tap
They all have backroom teams of approx 30 people give or take a couple
They all train in top facilities (Currans Centre, Garvaghey etc.)
They all get free cars
They all get free Holidays / Go on training camps
They all have underage coaching structures in place (some got them together later than others). See quote below from Tomas O'Se from the weekend
"You have to give a lot of credit to the structures they have within the county...Donal Daly organised everything. He has coaches under him who coach the coaches within the clubs, They have structures then for academy players, they start at under-14 level. They bring them through, they're giving the expertise that they have to them,"
They all work or study and train only in their spare time

Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team have got over their closest rivals due to an injection of massive amounts of money?
What are they getting out of this money that Kerry for example do not have?

Really?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kidder81 on September 04, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
Tyrone ones some cheek gurning about Dublin & money with Mickey Harte on £75k a year
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 04, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
Tyrone ones some cheek gurning about Dublin & money with Mickey Harte on £75k a year

£75k a year??? Jesus that cant be right. Where did you hear that. If thats right then Jim Gavin must be easily £150k
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 04, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 04, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
Tyrone ones some cheek gurning about Dublin & money with Mickey Harte on £75k a year

£75k a year??? Jesus that cant be right. Where did you hear that. If thats right then Jim Gavin must be easily £150k

Its actually amazing how the Dubs can claim every other manager is on x amount per year but can never back it up with facts.

Yet when Jim Gavin never ever takes a bob.

That's really head up the arse stuff altogether.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 04, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 04, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
Tyrone ones some cheek gurning about Dublin & money with Mickey Harte on £75k a year

£75k a year??? Jesus that cant be right. Where did you hear that. If thats right then Jim Gavin must be easily £150k
Jim Gavin gets nothing. As does Pat Gilroy. Both have well paid jobs. Ger Cunningham got paid, but Anthony Daly is the highest paid manager in Dublin.
It is said that we seriously thought about paying Mick O'Dwyer a good few years back, but we still have never paid a football manager. Some of them even refused expenses, as it would be little enough. Tommy Lyons could have claimed for trips to and from Mayo, but even he declined to do so.

There are plenty of managers in Dublin club football getting paid. And I'm sure we're not the only county where that goes on. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 11:40:25 AM

Even if we take it that the lads playing now aren't seeing the benefit of that money surely you have to see that the current crop of Elite players were taking advantage of the money pumped into the grass roots in the last 10 years!!!
That's exactly it, they weren't!

Every lad would be coached by parents during their club careers. Then when they go onto Dublin development panels, they'd be coached by unpaid ex Dubs players.

While there's the odd exception, the vast majority of the paid coaches are young people, with little or no experience. They wouldn't be let near the senior teams or better underage teams. Most of their time is spent going to National Schools giving PE classes to primary school children and encouraging them to join the club where the parents take over. They'll run classes "train the trainer" type for the volunteer parents have little/no experience to teach them the basic skills and how to teach the basic skills. Nothing about tactics, etc. The parents with senior playing experience or who have coached for a while would tend not to go with those, as they'd know more than the young paid coach.

Yes these young coaches who have probably gone through a rigorous selection programme which would demand a lifetime in the GAA and a University education then upon obtaining the role they are delivering the the best funded coaching programme the sport has ever seen!!

I was in Dublin 2006 and Enda McNulty was the Coaching officer for Ballyboden and they had 2 at that stage for one club. . . You can't tell me that the younger lads on the Dublin team have not been receiving the benefit from it it's crazy to suggest otherwise!!
Well I'm telling you, its the truth.

My son played for 5 years and had two sessions with a GPO. Both in the same week after the two parents over the team had a row and both walked away. My nephew has played for 7 years and has never had a session from a GPO. His team has two parents who both played senior for our club, as would be reasonably common throughout most clubs.

How many Enda McNultys do you think there are? 50 spread across the Dublin clubs? Like think about it, who are they and where do they go? On a salary somewhere in the mid 20s EUR? About 3 or 4 years ago I remember hearing there were 4 ex-county players coaching as GPOs in Dublin. I don't know the current number, but I'd find it hard to believe its much different. Anyone any good at it will move into something else where they can make a career within a very short time.

I know the one player from my club that's on the senior panel never got a single training session from a paid coach while underage. I'd say that's more common than not. The Mun lads, of which there are lots, would be the same. I'd say Crokes and Boden lads might be the only exception and even then I'd say there were better ex-player coaches doing most of the training and all for nothing .

The GPOs predominantly coach weaker children. That is a fact, and that's the whole point of the GPOs. Saying funds given per player playing is a complete nonsense. It's funds per child not playing that is the point of it. And the lads that need the extra persuading are usually the lads who haven't got the whole heap of natural ability or natural eagerness. Maybe you'll pick up the odd swan, but very few I'd wager.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on September 04, 2018, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 11:40:25 AM

Even if we take it that the lads playing now aren't seeing the benefit of that money surely you have to see that the current crop of Elite players were taking advantage of the money pumped into the grass roots in the last 10 years!!!
That's exactly it, they weren't!

Every lad would be coached by parents during their club careers. Then when they go onto Dublin development panels, they'd be coached by unpaid ex Dubs players.

While there's the odd exception, the vast majority of the paid coaches are young people, with little or no experience. They wouldn't be let near the senior teams or better underage teams. Most of their time is spent going to National Schools giving PE classes to primary school children and encouraging them to join the club where the parents take over. They'll run classes "train the trainer" type for the volunteer parents have little/no experience to teach them the basic skills and how to teach the basic skills. Nothing about tactics, etc. The parents with senior playing experience or who have coached for a while would tend not to go with those, as they'd know more than the young paid coach.

Yes these young coaches who have probably gone through a rigorous selection programme which would demand a lifetime in the GAA and a University education then upon obtaining the role they are delivering the the best funded coaching programme the sport has ever seen!!

I was in Dublin 2006 and Enda McNulty was the Coaching officer for Ballyboden and they had 2 at that stage for one club. . . You can't tell me that the younger lads on the Dublin team have not been receiving the benefit from it it's crazy to suggest otherwise!!
Well I'm telling you, its the truth.

My son played for 5 years and had two sessions with a GPO. Both in the same week after the two parents over the team had a row and both walked away. My nephew has played for 7 years and has never had a session from a GPO. His team has two parents who both played senior for our club, as would be reasonably common throughout most clubs.

How many Enda McNultys do you think there are? 50 spread across the Dublin clubs? Like think about it, who are they and where do they go? On a salary somewhere in the mid 20s EUR? About 3 or 4 years ago I remember hearing there were 4 ex-county players coaching as GPOs in Dublin. I don't know the current number, but I'd find it hard to believe its much different. Anyone any good at it will move into something else where they can make a career within a very short time.

I know the one player from my club that's on the senior panel never got a single training session from a paid coach while underage. I'd say that's more common than not. The Mun lads, of which there are lots, would be the same. I'd say Crokes and Boden lads might be the only exception and even then I'd say there were better ex-player coaches doing most of the training and all for nothing .

The GPOs predominantly coach weaker children. That is a fact, and that's the whole point of the GPOs. Saying funds given per player playing is a complete nonsense. It's funds per child not playing that is the point of it. And the lads that need the extra persuading are usually the lads who haven't got the whole heap of natural ability or natural eagerness. Maybe you'll pick up the odd swan, but very few I'd wager.

I doubt McNulty done much coaching. Probably just on the boden payroll. Didn't he transfer to Na Fianna after? Paddy Christie done great work with Mun bringing through two underage teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
By the way, I'm not saying Dublin don't have many advantages, we clearly do, but people go after the nonsense.

Population is the key one. More players to choose from. Particularly immigration from Ireland. Most country people will join their local GAA club when they have kids, thus increasing membership revenue, increasing the need for facilities and increasing the ability to raise the 50% required by the club.

Club football standard is very high and you could argue more important than population, but one leads to the other perhaps. They train far harder than our country cousins because everyone is living in the locality. And money from members is paying good managers to help them. My club has won sweet FA but they are senior and they train 4 times a week (or 3 plus game).

Croke Park.

Everyone on the county panel living in a 30 mile or so radius so don't have to waste time and energy travelling to and from training.

Sponsorship.

Not the mention the current manager, keeper, freetaker, etc.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 04, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
How much did the Dubs have to fundraise last year?

Sweet feck all.

Most counties have to find their spending almost entirely through fundraising
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 04, 2018, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
By the way, I'm not saying Dublin don't have many advantages, we clearly do, but people go after the nonsense.

Population is the key one. More players to choose from. Particularly immigration from Ireland. Most country people will join their local GAA club when they have kids, thus increasing membership revenue, increasing the need for facilities and increasing the ability to raise the 50% required by the club.

Club football standard is very high and you could argue more important than population, but one leads to the other perhaps. They train far harder than our country cousins because everyone is living in the locality. And money from members is paying good managers to help them. My club has won sweet FA but they are senior and they train 4 times a week (or 3 plus game).

Croke Park.

Everyone on the county panel living in a 30 mile or so radius so don't have to waste time and energy travelling to and from training.

Sponsorship.

Not the mention the current manager, keeper, freetaker, etc.....
Great, i always wondered what Dublin's magic formula was,  now I know, thanks.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trailer on September 04, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 04, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
How much did the Dubs have to fundraise last year?

Sweet feck all.

Most counties have to find their spending almost entirely through fundraising

Be interesting to know how much was raised.
How much do Dublin contribute to GAA finances? What is the net figure after taking out what they receive?
Do these figures exist?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mano on September 04, 2018, 10:17:49 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 04, 2018, 11:40:25 AM

Even if we take it that the lads playing now aren't seeing the benefit of that money surely you have to see that the current crop of Elite players were taking advantage of the money pumped into the grass roots in the last 10 years!!!
That's exactly it, they weren't!

Every lad would be coached by parents during their club careers. Then when they go onto Dublin development panels, they'd be coached by unpaid ex Dubs players.

While there's the odd exception, the vast majority of the paid coaches are young people, with little or no experience. They wouldn't be let near the senior teams or better underage teams. Most of their time is spent going to National Schools giving PE classes to primary school children and encouraging them to join the club where the parents take over. They'll run classes "train the trainer" type for the volunteer parents have little/no experience to teach them the basic skills and how to teach the basic skills. Nothing about tactics, etc. The parents with senior playing experience or who have coached for a while would tend not to go with those, as they'd know more than the young paid coach.

Yes these young coaches who have probably gone through a rigorous selection programme which would demand a lifetime in the GAA and a University education then upon obtaining the role they are delivering the the best funded coaching programme the sport has ever seen!!

I was in Dublin 2006 and Enda McNulty was the Coaching officer for Ballyboden and they had 2 at that stage for one club. . . You can't tell me that the younger lads on the Dublin team have not been receiving the benefit from it it's crazy to suggest otherwise!!
Well I'm telling you, its the truth.

My son played for 5 years and had two sessions with a GPO. Both in the same week after the two parents over the team had a row and both walked away. My nephew has played for 7 years and has never had a session from a GPO. His team has two parents who both played senior for our club, as would be reasonably common throughout most clubs.

How many Enda McNultys do you think there are? 50 spread across the Dublin clubs? Like think about it, who are they and where do they go? On a salary somewhere in the mid 20s EUR? About 3 or 4 years ago I remember hearing there were 4 ex-county players coaching as GPOs in Dublin. I don't know the current number, but I'd find it hard to believe its much different. Anyone any good at it will move into something else where they can make a career within a very short time.

I know the one player from my club that's on the senior panel never got a single training session from a paid coach while underage. I'd say that's more common than not. The Mun lads, of which there are lots, would be the same. I'd say Crokes and Boden lads might be the only exception and even then I'd say there were better ex-player coaches doing most of the training and all for nothing .

The GPOs predominantly coach weaker children. That is a fact, and that's the whole point of the GPOs. Saying funds given per player playing is a complete nonsense. It's funds per child not playing that is the point of it. And the lads that need the extra persuading are usually the lads who haven't got the whole heap of natural ability or natural eagerness. Maybe you'll pick up the odd swan, but very few I'd wager.
Thats not what i witnessed when i lived in Dublin and was involved with a club at nursery level in up and coming West Dublin club. The GPO would be in the schools every week and would take a session with nursery once a month and give instructions to the mentors and other volunteers. The club encouraged its members to attend GAA courses. In 2 years i attended 3 courses. It was given by 3 different GPO's, one was a current Leitrim footballer, another by Johnny Coopers brother and the GPO of the club. To say GPO dont get involved with training of young players is false. They mentor all the club volunteers in drills and preparation and get involved in training themselves. Difference in Sligo is night and day. Only 2 GPO between all Sligo clubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 04, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?
The Dubs get a higher amount than every other county from the Leinster GAA as well.
Look it up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 04, 2018, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 04, 2018, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?
The Dubs get a higher amount than every other county from the Leinster GAA as well.
Look it up.

Higher overall or per registrred member  ??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 05, 2018, 07:25:45 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
By the way, I'm not saying Dublin don't have many advantages, we clearly do, but people go after the nonsense.

Population is the key one. More players to choose from. Particularly immigration from Ireland. Most country people will join their local GAA club when they have kids, thus increasing membership revenue, increasing the need for facilities and increasing the ability to raise the 50% required by the club.

Club football standard is very high and you could argue more important than population, but one leads to the other perhaps. They train far harder than our country cousins because everyone is living in the locality. And money from members is paying good managers to help them. My club has won sweet FA but they are senior and they train 4 times a week (or 3 plus game).

Croke Park.

Everyone on the county panel living in a 30 mile or so radius so don't have to waste time and energy travelling to and from training.

Sponsorship.

Not the mention the current manager, keeper, freetaker, etc.....

This is nonsense.  It's a club team.  Most club players live in the locality.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

Also over the last 14 years why don't you breakdown sponsorship deals and revenues generated by Dublin and how that revenue was put into establishing new clubs, the purchase of new green field sites and the exponential growth of Gaelic Games in the city?

We keep hearing the money was well spent but the millions given is Dublin GAA any healthier than it was in 2004? One thing we can say is that in the rest of the province the it is certainly not.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 05, 2018, 08:58:48 AM
The Dublin county board and several o their larger clubs stand indicted ovrr the failure to establish new clubs to cater for the expading population obervthe lsdt 20 years.

Lucian, and ballyboden obvious areas crying out for new clubs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 09:01:08 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?
<snip>
The other thing he and others do to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?
worse, he does not use registered players, he uses registered members as per membership fees paid, which from looking at my home club - in the likes of a country county like Longford membership is about 30% active players and the rest auld lads long past their playing days supporting their club by paying full fees, and a distant hope of a chance of a ticket should the county ever do anything useful!
If you dont believe me, take these figures here in an article slating Dublins overfunding, which have senior "players" in Longford at 4400 players.

So is that 4400 figure even possible ? The CSO tells us that there's only 2200 males between 20 and 30 years old in the county. A long way from 4400 players.
In Longford there was 32 adult teams registered for insurance last year. Presuming a VERY healthy average panel of 30 players per team (and fat chance its that high),  that'd be a max of 960 players - again WAY lower than the 4400 adult players stated by balls.ie

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120 and the CSO figures from here : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=CD108&PLanguage=0 and the number of registered teams in each county here : http://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/dpngzz6dhxfr7i6nl6o1.pdf

Nevertheless, aside from the adult figures just being chronically wrong using members rather than players but calling it players, a per capita figure for development funding which is provided to coach kids should be divided by number of kids coached, not number of adult players (and definitely not a hotch potch number of players including heaps of loyal auld lads paying fees) .

Dublin dont need the levels of development funding any more as it's obvious that they can fund it themselves through way more sponsorship than anyone else, but arguing they are paid too much per capita should at least use the correct numbers and I havent seen an article yet with figures that make sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 05, 2018, 09:02:08 AM
How many development officers does Dublin have? The GAA pays half of their salaries, apparently
How does the talent identification system work ?

Apparently the GAA was surprised at the poor attendance levels at the 2 semi finals this year . Even if they aren't too pushed aout Dublin winning everything this may be an entry point for some logic. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 05, 2018, 09:10:18 AM
From the Dublin point of view the Blue Wave document from 2011 gives an
overview of the plan.


http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/the-blue-wave.pdf

Is there anything similar from the GAA?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/capital-gain-from-coaching-fund-faces-review-34419282.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/capital-gain-from-coaching-fund-faces-review-34419282.html)

An article from Colm Keyes in 2016 - he's probably just a bitter Meath man.
Quote
Games development funding paid to Dublin directly from central revenues since a special deal with the Irish Sports Council in 2005 has passed the €16million mark.

Accounts published by the GAA yesterday showed that the funding for games development in the capital remained at €1.46m, the same figure as 2014.

The scale of the money allows Dublin to fund a large coaching operation across the capital that has clearly helped to build the successes at all levels in recent years.

The concept of the deal was to create a greater footprint for Gaelic games in the country's largest centre of population. The thinking at the time was that Dublin was a special case that faced stiffer competition from other sports like rugby and soccer and therefore required a different approach.

The premise was that for the GAA to be strong, it had to be strong in the capital. The initial understanding was that some €1m would be earmarked for Dublin development, chiefly hurling, from the Sports Council's annual funding for the GAA.

To that end it has been a success and has consequently helped to provide Dublin with the tools to generate far greater commercial revenues for themselves.

While the figure is now somewhere around the €640,000 mark set aside for Dublin from Sports Council accounts, the levels of funding have not changed much over the years because of the requirement of the GAA to support the structures and personnel that have already been put in place.

The annual grants given to Dublin for the purposes of coaching and games development since the deal was put together under the presidency of Sean Kelly have ranged from €1.35m in 2005 to a peak of €1.64m in 2009.

In 2015, the GAA, at central level, distributed €9.37m for games development. Strip out what they paid under this heading to the four provinces, Britain and overseas and Dublin's amount is 47pc of what's left for direct distribution among the 32 counties.

Coaches employed by Dublin are joint-funded - to the tune of half - by those clubs. For the rest of the country coaches are employed by the provinces.

Grants from Leinster Council, which received €1.7m from central funds to redistribute to its counties, are not factored into county distribution but under the heading 'Dublin coaching project' in the provincial body's most recent of accounts there's a further €241,050 set aside specifically for Dublin from a €4.5m coaching budget.

By comparison to most other counties, even on a per capita basis, Dublin appear to be funded much more generously.

Cork, the next most populated county (519,000 compared to Dublin's 1.271m documented in the 2011 Census) received €74,000 for games development from central funds in 2015.

Even if their Munster Council coaching grants were greater than what Leinster provide for Dublin it couldn't come close to a what is a 20-fold central funding difference for a county with just two-and-a-half times the population. Kildare is one of the fastest areas of population growth (with Fingal and Meath) but for a 210,000 population they receive just €42,600 from central funds for games development. Again no relative shortfall, based on per capita figures, could be made up by provincial figures.

Wexford and Meath can put forward the same argument based on their populations indexed to central funding, so too can Mayo, Galway and even Kerry on the western seaboard.

What Dublin gain handsomely on coaching grants they lost on commercial grants from the media and sponsorship deals. Each county gets €175,000, irrespective of profile or seasonal longevity, and given the drawing power of Dublin for sponsors and broadcasters that leaves them short.

And there's no doubt that a strong Dublin, drawing big crowds, reaps benefits for every county. But those counties have to be asking if the current model, remains sustainable in the face of such an apparent imbalance.

It's an issue for the GAA that has been lurking for some time but has been difficult to resolve as they seek to 're-balance' financial distribution. If Sports Council money is re-directed elsewhere, away from its original target, does that change the terms of reference of the original deal?

When asked about Dublin's €1.46m compared to Leitrim's €39,000, GAA's director of finance Tom Ryan said provincial coaching grants created a "slight anomaly".

"An amount of the coaching revenue is diverted via the provinces so a specific amount that is going to Connacht, and is reported as Connacht in these numbers, is for the benefit of and spent in Leitrim as well directly so we're not quite comparing like with like."

The GAA have been intent on change but it has been hard to implement. "If it was easy to resolve in 12 months I suppose you might have seen a change,"he said.

Complicated

"It's quite complicated, you have to look at the relative cost bases in the different counties, you've got to look at the scale of the different counties and you've got to look at the level in which they are fielding teams in both codes."

The GAA have set up a small group under the auspices of its national financial committee to examine more equitable ways to fund counties but cutting some to pay for others is not on the agenda, says Ryan.

"It's not a question of trying to take resources away from particular counties, the job really should be to provide extra for all of the other counties. It's going to be a job of work that will probably take up to three years in terms of re-balancing competition dividends and things like that, but you will see some changes emerging from that group over the course of the next 18 months to three years," he added.

This year's figures for games development show a spike for hurling counties considered to be second tier. Laois, Offaly, Carlow and Westmeath are among those all featuring higher in 2015 as a result of a special scheme devised some years ago.

The acceptance about the need for the GAA to tackle the capital and win market share over a decade ago, helped by considerable state funding, has been replaced by growing sense that there should be quicker remedial action.

We have rehashed this over and over again, no amount of re-framing or fake news will change the the basic premise that Dublin GAA get the funding of a province while only fielding 1 inter-county football team and 2 inter-county hurling teams, not sure if Fingal are still playing. Approx 100 clubs in Dublin. Open to correction on clubs.

Leinster Council covers 11 inter-county football and 11 inter-county hurling teams and over 500 clubs.

It's not rocket science, no matter what the metric, club members, registered player, per captia, number of clubs etc. Dublin are ridiculously over-funded. It's a blatant inequality that has at least an indirect, I believe a direct, influence on Dublin winning 6 of the last 8 Senior football All-Irelands and 4 of the last 8 u21 All-Irelands.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 05, 2018, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/capital-gain-from-coaching-fund-faces-review-34419282.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/capital-gain-from-coaching-fund-faces-review-34419282.html)

An article from Colm Keyes in 2016 - he's probably just a bitter Meath man.
Quote
Games development funding paid to Dublin directly from central revenues since a special deal with the Irish Sports Council in 2005 has passed the €16million mark.

Accounts published by the GAA yesterday showed that the funding for games development in the capital remained at €1.46m, the same figure as 2014.

The scale of the money allows Dublin to fund a large coaching operation across the capital that has clearly helped to build the successes at all levels in recent years.

The concept of the deal was to create a greater footprint for Gaelic games in the country's largest centre of population. The thinking at the time was that Dublin was a special case that faced stiffer competition from other sports like rugby and soccer and therefore required a different approach.

The premise was that for the GAA to be strong, it had to be strong in the capital. The initial understanding was that some €1m would be earmarked for Dublin development, chiefly hurling, from the Sports Council's annual funding for the GAA.

To that end it has been a success and has consequently helped to provide Dublin with the tools to generate far greater commercial revenues for themselves.

While the figure is now somewhere around the €640,000 mark set aside for Dublin from Sports Council accounts, the levels of funding have not changed much over the years because of the requirement of the GAA to support the structures and personnel that have already been put in place.

The annual grants given to Dublin for the purposes of coaching and games development since the deal was put together under the presidency of Sean Kelly have ranged from €1.35m in 2005 to a peak of €1.64m in 2009.

In 2015, the GAA, at central level, distributed €9.37m for games development. Strip out what they paid under this heading to the four provinces, Britain and overseas and Dublin's amount is 47pc of what's left for direct distribution among the 32 counties.

Coaches employed by Dublin are joint-funded - to the tune of half - by those clubs. For the rest of the country coaches are employed by the provinces.

Grants from Leinster Council, which received €1.7m from central funds to redistribute to its counties, are not factored into county distribution but under the heading 'Dublin coaching project' in the provincial body's most recent of accounts there's a further €241,050 set aside specifically for Dublin from a €4.5m coaching budget.

By comparison to most other counties, even on a per capita basis, Dublin appear to be funded much more generously.

Cork, the next most populated county (519,000 compared to Dublin's 1.271m documented in the 2011 Census) received €74,000 for games development from central funds in 2015.

Even if their Munster Council coaching grants were greater than what Leinster provide for Dublin it couldn't come close to a what is a 20-fold central funding difference for a county with just two-and-a-half times the population. Kildare is one of the fastest areas of population growth (with Fingal and Meath) but for a 210,000 population they receive just €42,600 from central funds for games development. Again no relative shortfall, based on per capita figures, could be made up by provincial figures.

Wexford and Meath can put forward the same argument based on their populations indexed to central funding, so too can Mayo, Galway and even Kerry on the western seaboard.

What Dublin gain handsomely on coaching grants they lost on commercial grants from the media and sponsorship deals. Each county gets €175,000, irrespective of profile or seasonal longevity, and given the drawing power of Dublin for sponsors and broadcasters that leaves them short.

And there's no doubt that a strong Dublin, drawing big crowds, reaps benefits for every county. But those counties have to be asking if the current model, remains sustainable in the face of such an apparent imbalance.

It's an issue for the GAA that has been lurking for some time but has been difficult to resolve as they seek to 're-balance' financial distribution. If Sports Council money is re-directed elsewhere, away from its original target, does that change the terms of reference of the original deal?

When asked about Dublin's €1.46m compared to Leitrim's €39,000, GAA's director of finance Tom Ryan said provincial coaching grants created a "slight anomaly".

"An amount of the coaching revenue is diverted via the provinces so a specific amount that is going to Connacht, and is reported as Connacht in these numbers, is for the benefit of and spent in Leitrim as well directly so we're not quite comparing like with like."

The GAA have been intent on change but it has been hard to implement. "If it was easy to resolve in 12 months I suppose you might have seen a change,"he said.

Complicated

"It's quite complicated, you have to look at the relative cost bases in the different counties, you've got to look at the scale of the different counties and you've got to look at the level in which they are fielding teams in both codes."

The GAA have set up a small group under the auspices of its national financial committee to examine more equitable ways to fund counties but cutting some to pay for others is not on the agenda, says Ryan.

"It's not a question of trying to take resources away from particular counties, the job really should be to provide extra for all of the other counties. It's going to be a job of work that will probably take up to three years in terms of re-balancing competition dividends and things like that, but you will see some changes emerging from that group over the course of the next 18 months to three years," he added.

This year's figures for games development show a spike for hurling counties considered to be second tier. Laois, Offaly, Carlow and Westmeath are among those all featuring higher in 2015 as a result of a special scheme devised some years ago.

The acceptance about the need for the GAA to tackle the capital and win market share over a decade ago, helped by considerable state funding, has been replaced by growing sense that there should be quicker remedial action.

We have rehashed this over and over again, no amount of re-framing or fake news will change the the basic premise that Dublin GAA get the funding of a province while only fielding 1 inter-county football team and 2 inter-county hurling teams, not sure if Fingal are still playing. Approx 100 clubs in Dublin. Open to correction on clubs.

Leinster Council covers 11 inter-county football and 11 inter-county hurling teams and over 500 clubs.

It's not rocket science, no matter what the metric, club members, registered player, per captia, number of clubs etc. Dublin are ridiculously over-funded. It's a blatant inequality that has at least an indirect, I believe a direct, influence on Dublin winning 6 of the last 8 Senior football All-Irelands and 4 of the last 8 u21 All-Irelands.

But but but this is a once in a generation team that will eventually come to a natural end.

And sure if Kildare had invested in their underage structures instead of paying Micko and Kieran McGeeney hundreds of thousands wouldn't they be in better shape?

::) ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: mup on September 05, 2018, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/capital-gain-from-coaching-fund-faces-review-34419282.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/capital-gain-from-coaching-fund-faces-review-34419282.html)

An article from Colm Keyes in 2016 - he's probably just a bitter Meath man.
Quote
Games development funding paid to Dublin directly from central revenues since a special deal with the Irish Sports Council in 2005 has passed the €16million mark.

Accounts published by the GAA yesterday showed that the funding for games development in the capital remained at €1.46m, the same figure as 2014.

The scale of the money allows Dublin to fund a large coaching operation across the capital that has clearly helped to build the successes at all levels in recent years.

The concept of the deal was to create a greater footprint for Gaelic games in the country's largest centre of population. The thinking at the time was that Dublin was a special case that faced stiffer competition from other sports like rugby and soccer and therefore required a different approach.

The premise was that for the GAA to be strong, it had to be strong in the capital. The initial understanding was that some €1m would be earmarked for Dublin development, chiefly hurling, from the Sports Council's annual funding for the GAA.

To that end it has been a success and has consequently helped to provide Dublin with the tools to generate far greater commercial revenues for themselves.

While the figure is now somewhere around the €640,000 mark set aside for Dublin from Sports Council accounts, the levels of funding have not changed much over the years because of the requirement of the GAA to support the structures and personnel that have already been put in place.

The annual grants given to Dublin for the purposes of coaching and games development since the deal was put together under the presidency of Sean Kelly have ranged from €1.35m in 2005 to a peak of €1.64m in 2009.

In 2015, the GAA, at central level, distributed €9.37m for games development. Strip out what they paid under this heading to the four provinces, Britain and overseas and Dublin's amount is 47pc of what's left for direct distribution among the 32 counties.

Coaches employed by Dublin are joint-funded - to the tune of half - by those clubs. For the rest of the country coaches are employed by the provinces.

Grants from Leinster Council, which received €1.7m from central funds to redistribute to its counties, are not factored into county distribution but under the heading 'Dublin coaching project' in the provincial body's most recent of accounts there's a further €241,050 set aside specifically for Dublin from a €4.5m coaching budget.

By comparison to most other counties, even on a per capita basis, Dublin appear to be funded much more generously.

Cork, the next most populated county (519,000 compared to Dublin's 1.271m documented in the 2011 Census) received €74,000 for games development from central funds in 2015.

Even if their Munster Council coaching grants were greater than what Leinster provide for Dublin it couldn't come close to a what is a 20-fold central funding difference for a county with just two-and-a-half times the population. Kildare is one of the fastest areas of population growth (with Fingal and Meath) but for a 210,000 population they receive just €42,600 from central funds for games development. Again no relative shortfall, based on per capita figures, could be made up by provincial figures.

Wexford and Meath can put forward the same argument based on their populations indexed to central funding, so too can Mayo, Galway and even Kerry on the western seaboard.

What Dublin gain handsomely on coaching grants they lost on commercial grants from the media and sponsorship deals. Each county gets €175,000, irrespective of profile or seasonal longevity, and given the drawing power of Dublin for sponsors and broadcasters that leaves them short.

And there's no doubt that a strong Dublin, drawing big crowds, reaps benefits for every county. But those counties have to be asking if the current model, remains sustainable in the face of such an apparent imbalance.

It's an issue for the GAA that has been lurking for some time but has been difficult to resolve as they seek to 're-balance' financial distribution. If Sports Council money is re-directed elsewhere, away from its original target, does that change the terms of reference of the original deal?

When asked about Dublin's €1.46m compared to Leitrim's €39,000, GAA's director of finance Tom Ryan said provincial coaching grants created a "slight anomaly".

"An amount of the coaching revenue is diverted via the provinces so a specific amount that is going to Connacht, and is reported as Connacht in these numbers, is for the benefit of and spent in Leitrim as well directly so we're not quite comparing like with like."

The GAA have been intent on change but it has been hard to implement. "If it was easy to resolve in 12 months I suppose you might have seen a change,"he said.

Complicated

"It's quite complicated, you have to look at the relative cost bases in the different counties, you've got to look at the scale of the different counties and you've got to look at the level in which they are fielding teams in both codes."

The GAA have set up a small group under the auspices of its national financial committee to examine more equitable ways to fund counties but cutting some to pay for others is not on the agenda, says Ryan.

"It's not a question of trying to take resources away from particular counties, the job really should be to provide extra for all of the other counties. It's going to be a job of work that will probably take up to three years in terms of re-balancing competition dividends and things like that, but you will see some changes emerging from that group over the course of the next 18 months to three years," he added.

This year's figures for games development show a spike for hurling counties considered to be second tier. Laois, Offaly, Carlow and Westmeath are among those all featuring higher in 2015 as a result of a special scheme devised some years ago.

The acceptance about the need for the GAA to tackle the capital and win market share over a decade ago, helped by considerable state funding, has been replaced by growing sense that there should be quicker remedial action.

We have rehashed this over and over again, no amount of re-framing or fake news will change the the basic premise that Dublin GAA get the funding of a province while only fielding 1 inter-county football team and 2 inter-county hurling teams, not sure if Fingal are still playing. Approx 100 clubs in Dublin. Open to correction on clubs.

Leinster Council covers 11 inter-county football and 11 inter-county hurling teams and over 500 clubs.

It's not rocket science, no matter what the metric, club members, registered player, per captia, number of clubs etc. Dublin are ridiculously over-funded. It's a blatant inequality that has at least an indirect, I believe a direct, influence on Dublin winning 6 of the last 8 Senior football All-Irelands and 4 of the last 8 u21 All-Irelands.

But but but this is a once in a generation team that will eventually come to a natural end.

And sure if Kildare had invested in their underage structures instead of paying Micko and Kieran McGeeney hundreds of thousands wouldn't they be in better shape?

::) ::)

Don't forget they work harder and want it more than those poor feckers from the North West, West and South West who sit in their cars 4-5 hours twice a week just to go training. I heard a Dublin footballer once had to travel from the Southside to Northside in rush hour traffic, now that's commitment, he really wanted that All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 11:25:31 AM
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An article from Colm Keyes in 2016 - he's probably just a bitter Meath man.

In 2015, the GAA, at central level, distributed €9.37m for games development. Strip out what they paid under this heading to the four provinces, Britain and overseas and Dublin's amount is 47pc of what's left for direct distribution among the 32 counties.


Why strip out what they paid to the four provinces?

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Coaches employed by Dublin are joint-funded - to the tune of half - by those clubs. For the rest of the country coaches are employed by the provinces.

Grants from Leinster Council, which received €1.7m from central funds to redistribute to its counties, are not factored into county distribution but under the heading 'Dublin coaching project' in the provincial body's most recent of accounts there's a further €241,050 set aside specifically for Dublin from a €4.5m coaching budget.

Cork, the next most populated county (519,000 compared to Dublin's 1.271m documented in the 2011 Census) received €74,000 for games development from central funds in 2015.

Even if their Munster Council coaching grants were greater than what Leinster provide for Dublin it couldn't come close to a what is a 20-fold central funding difference for a county with just two-and-a-half times the population. Kildare is one of the fastest areas of population growth (with Fingal and Meath) but for a 210,000 population they receive just €42,600 from central funds for games development. Again no relative shortfall, based on per capita figures, could be made up by provincial figures.

Basic maths will tell you that the shortfall, based on per capita, could easily be made up by the provincial figures. Dublins known total of 1.7m (1.46 plus the 240k) works out at 1.3 euro per capita (pop. 1.34m).
For Kildare to get 1.3 euro per capita (pop. 222k) they would need total funding of approx 290k. So they would need to be getting an additional 250k from the Leinster total of 4.5m. That is only about 6% of the Leinster total. I don't think it is a stretch to believe that they are getting at least 6% of that total if not more.

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When asked about Dublin's €1.46m compared to Leitrim's €39,000, GAA's director of finance Tom Ryan said provincial coaching grants created a "slight anomaly".
"An amount of the coaching revenue is diverted via the provinces so a specific amount that is going to Connacht, and is reported as Connacht in these numbers, is for the benefit of and spent in Leitrim as well directly so we're not quite comparing like with like."
Exactly, this is the point that people conveniently ignore.


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We have rehashed this over and over again, no amount of re-framing or fake news will change the the basic premise that Dublin GAA get the funding of a province while only fielding 1 inter-county football team and 2 inter-county hurling teams, not sure if Fingal are still playing. Approx 100 clubs in Dublin. Open to correction on clubs.

It's not rocket science, no matter what the metric, club members, registered player, per captia, number of clubs etc. Dublin are ridiculously over-funded.
Yes Dublin have been getting GD funding of a province because they have a population matching that of the other provinces. They have not been fielding multiple teams because they do not have the playing population matching that of a province. The main objective of the funding is to get more of the population in Dublin playing the game, if it has the desired effect and playing numbers grow down the line they will need to be split up and field 2 teams but the playing numbers in Dublin currently don't justify that.

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It's a blatant inequality that has at least an indirect, I believe a direct, influence on Dublin winning 6 of the last 8 Senior football All-Irelands and 4 of the last 8 u21 All-Irelands.
Can you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.

You can't debunk something with conjecture, show us the Leinster Council figures, marry them to the Central Council figures which are available and show a clear ridiculous bias to Dublin.

Even take your 9.3 million from the Leinster Council, 480K of that was ring fenced for Dublin. So 5% already is unavailable to other counties, can you provide numerical evidence that none of that remaining 95% goes towards Dublin.

What we do know is that is over the last 14 years Dublin has received in excess including CC and LC funding of 1.5m a year. If you split for arguments sake 4.5m per year evenly between 11 counties at most each county gets 400K per year. So allowing for LC games development funding Dublin are still getting 4 times funding greater than any Leinster county all things being equal. And I doubt there was over 4m a year available to Leinster counties over the last 14 years.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 05, 2018, 11:49:35 AM
QuoteCan you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?),

ditto physios and the like

Meals delivered to their doors

Cars

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin)

Full time life style coach

Access to sports science department in UCD

Close to sports injury clinic

No late night drives home after training sessions

All weather training facilities

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home)

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live.

Players don't need to fund raise.

Also most larger clubs in Dublin have a cash surplus to re-invest every year.

All of the above funded by the taxpayers and fans of other counties and clubs.

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit.

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 05, 2018, 11:53:05 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2018, 11:49:35 AM
QuoteCan you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?),

ditto physios and the like

Meals delivered to their doors

Cars

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin)

Full time life style coach

Access to sports science department in UCD

Close to sports injury clinic

No late night drives home after training sessions

All weather training facilities

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home)

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live.

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit.

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?

Kerry have nicer jerseys?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 05, 2018, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.
The original idea was to counter the perceived threat from soccer and rugby by expanding the reach of Gaelic football. An unintended consequence is the destruction of the all Ireland championship. A reasonable number of losses to soccer and rugby would be an acceptable price to pay for the restoration of the championship.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lone Shark on September 05, 2018, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.

Several problems with this argument - first of all you can strip away the number of adult teams, because in every club, adults teams either should be, or are, self funding. Yes they cost money to run, but these are all grown adults who can fundraise by themselves. The GAA has a responsibility to ensure that all adults have access to games if they choose to play, but that's not what's at issue here.

Underage teams is different - of course there is an onus here to ensure that these teams have access to good coaching, to good infrastructure, and to a good environment generally, and Dublin needs to be funded to a greater degree.

However your primary school kids argument is nonsense, and this is where I have a huge issue with the hypocrisy of how Dublin is funded. Dubline love to claim, as you do here, that they are catering for 142,000 primary school pupils - but in fact, they completely ignore huge chunks of that. If you're a primary school student in Dublin 8, or in Finglas, or in the Dublin city centre, they don't even have a convenient club to send you to - so over 90% of these children never kick a ball outside of their school, or if they do, they don't stay at it. I would have no problem whatsoever with the GAA spending huge money on providing suitable infrastructure for clubs in these areas, or indeed other areas that are deprived of proper social amenities, because that's the type of organisation we should be.

But instead the money gets spent on making sure that clubs with oodles of volunteers still have access to their own GPO, either on a full time basis or split with one other club - because that's a lot more efficient when it comes to producing good county teams.

Let's put it another way. Last year, around 80 teams were entered in minor club football in Dublin - roughly four or five times the amount of teams that are entered in counties like Roscommon, Westmeath, Longford and Offaly, that I'd be familiar with.

If Dublin are getting 20 times the development money, they aren't using it well. But they're doing a bang up job of producing elite players, there's no problem there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 05, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

Will never happen I am afraid. I can speak for others but I would not support any of those teams, I would also be careful what you wish for, two of those teams would complete near the business end of the championship on an annual basis.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 05, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Troll account says trolly things. Shocked.

Doesn't actually matter what the locals think anyways, it's up to the other country boards to put the health of the sport ahead of short term pnetary gain and force those four existing counties to play like counties. They're not turkeys who will vote for Christmas anyways so their role in that decision is going to be minimal.

And no, I don't care one bit if it means that some years we end up with all-capital pairings in the AISFs or even the AI final - the health of the game overall will be so much better. The idea that playing 25% of 'County' Dublin is less desirable than playing the entirety of it is absurd.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2018, 11:49:35 AM
QuoteCan you list the advantages that this Dublin team are getting from this unproven inequality to help them win the all-irelands? What have they got access to that their closest rivals - Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone don't have?

All players live in Dublin >> Not related to money

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin

ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dublin

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHGFZyAH9S/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control

Cars >> Not unique to Dublin

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin

Full time life style coach >> Don't think they have anyone in this role full time at the moment, is it Bernard Dunne? He is the High Performance Director for Irish Boxing so couldn't be doing the life style coach role with Dublin full time

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live. >> All Dublin players have full time jobs or study. Evidence is that players outside Dublin have soft jobs. Colm Cooper said himself he had it handy in the bank. Darren O'Sullivan and Karl Lacey both jacked in jobs in the past to concentrate more on their football

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit. >> No they work full time and train in their spare time, they are nothing like an Aussie Rules outfit, good that you included that one though as it shows that you are not interested in making a reasonable argument

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

But they don't have the playing population of a province or anywhere close
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lone Shark on September 05, 2018, 02:20:05 PM
All players live in Dublin >> Not related to money

Of course it is - it's related to the general concentration of wealth and employment in one area of the country. It's not related to Dublin GAA money specifically, but it is a huge natural advantage that exists in the capital

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin
ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dublin

These are all huge expenses for a county board to bear, and quite often corners have to be cut - not always in Kerry, or Mayo, but in the vast majority of counties. However in Dublin there are professionals willing to take on these roles purely for the promotional value of working with Dublin GAA, while the vast sums of money given to the county by the likes of AIG in sponsorship means that there's no such thing as a treasurer deciding whether or not this particular expense can be incurred - they just sign the cheque.

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYHGFZyAH9S/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control
Cars >> Not unique to Dublin

And you'll see from the picture there, it's a handful of truly elite players that have access to that sort of service or perk. There's no doubt that if you're an All Star calibre player from down the country, there will be businesses looking to piggyback on your fame. I have very mixed feelings on this and suspect it would be a positive move for the taxman get involved here, but the key point it is a huge advantage to Dublin, because while your picture shows Damien Comer getting free grub there, the difference is that in Dublin, it's provided to every member of the panel. The same with the free cars, the €750 per pop media gigs, and all the rest of it - in Dublin, all members of the panel get access, because Jim Gavin won't have it any other way - and he knows that he can hold a hard line on it, because companies will fall in line. If Kevin Walsh tried the same thing in Galway, all he'd end up doing is deprive Comer or Shane Walsh of some freebies, because the relevant companies would say feck off, and go to a MAyo footballer, or a Galway hurler, or a Connacht rugby player instead.

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin

Eamon Donoghue in the Irish times put together an excellent piece on this earlier this year - Dublin and Kildare were the only two counties where all the players were based at home. An early morning collective session is simply not an option if your players are based over an hour's drive away - and that's the reality for most counties.

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money

On all of these things, I think we can accept the point that there are some other teams that have the same facilities that Dublin do - but in each case, it's a small handful of teams, and none of them have all of these facilities. Cork might have sports science on their doorstep, but they've no training facility. Leitrim have the all weather training facility, but their players are all over the country.

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money

Not related to money, but it is an advantage. Dublin played one game out side of Croke Park in this year's championship, they won by three points. They played seven games in Croke Park , their smallest winning margin was 5 points and their average margin was 13.4.




Dublin will always have a higher profile, they'll always draw the biggest sponsorship deal, and they'll always have the biggest population. That's never going to change, and while there are those who would call for Dublin to be split up into four counties, I personally wouldn't like that to happen unless Dublin GAA wanted it. I'll put it this way - I would have less than zero interest in a joint Offaly/Laois team, because that's not an entity that means anything to me. I would be disgusted and furious if such a thing was foisted upon my county, and I'd be a hypocrite if I said that changing the geography of another county against their will would be fair game.

But it is incumbent upon the GAA to ensure that if there are certain facilities and services available to players, every effort should be made to ensure that they are available to all players. And it's not as simple as saying that if Dublin have it, and Kerry have it, then that's fine - feck the rest of them. There is plenty that could be done to equalise sponsorship deals, to ensure that money spent on player development is tied to getting young players into our games, not just funding elite professional standard training for the best 10% of them, and there is plenty that could be done to make sure that if some counties have large mileage bills, then those are centralised, and we don't end up with this farcical situation that player mileage - one of the biggest single expenses for half the counties in the country - is something that Dublin can look after with the change they find down the back of the couch.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 05, 2018, 02:28:16 PM
QuoteAll players live in Dublin >> Not related to money, It sure is,

where do you think all the work / jobs that the Dubs players are given exist? in Ballyhaunis?

One to one access to nutritionists, dietitians, yoga(ians)(ists?) >> Not unique to Dublin, it is, they don't have to travel miles to see them

ditto physios and the like >> Not unique to Dubin as above

Meals delivered to their doors >> Not unique to Dublin:

Cars >> Not unique to Dublin all the players have cars

The army

Access to early morning training sessions (again living in Dublin) >> Not related to Money or unique to Dublin it is, all players live and work / have jobs at home which is linked to money

Full time life style coach >> Don't think they have anyone in this role full time at the moment, is it Bernard Dunne? He is the High Performance Director for Irish Boxing so couldn't be doing the life style coach role with Dublin full time full time coachs

Access to sports science department in UCD >> Other top teams have access to excellent facilities as well expand?

Close to sports injury clinic >> Not related to Money as above, location

No late night drives home after training sessions >> Not related to Money same answer regarding logistics

All weather training facilities >> Not unique to Dublin

Unified training sessions, (the rest of us have to have a coach in Dublin training groups that can't afford to live / work at home) >> Not related to Money same argument as the jobs argument

Home games in the league are in Croker rather than Parnell park allowing Dublin free practice runs for the Championship >> Not related to Money ask the GAA this one, oh wait, its health and safety

"Soft" jobs, in Dublin beside where they live. >> All Dublin players have full time jobs or study. Evidence is that players outside Dublin have soft jobs. Colm Cooper said himself he had it handy in the bank. Darren O'Sullivan and Karl Lacey both jacked in jobs in the past to concentrate more on their football and your point is?

The Dubs are almost a full time professional team akin to an Aussie Rules outfit. >> No they work full time and train in their spare time, they are nothing like an Aussie Rules outfit, good that you included that one though as it shows that you are not interested in making a reasonable argument it's a reasonable comparision

Now, you list any advantages the other teams have over Dublin?
silence on my question
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 05, 2018, 02:34:56 PM
Splitting != amalgamation

Also the idea that new teams won't be supported in the fullness of time is short sighted in the extreme. The whole idea is centred on short term pain but long term sustainability. Dublin playing any other team in its current state is what's unsustainable.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

And Longford were super competitive until the funding issue....

Its 40 years since the second least populated county won anything. By all means use a traditionally competitive county who are falling behind. But Longford are exactly where they always were.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.

You can't debunk something with conjecture, show us the Leinster Council figures, marry them to the Central Council figures which are available and show a clear ridiculous bias to Dublin.

Even take your 9.3 million from the Leinster Council, 480K of that was ring fenced for Dublin. So 5% already is unavailable to other counties, can you provide numerical evidence that none of that remaining 95% goes towards Dublin.

What we do know is that is over the last 14 years Dublin has received in excess including CC and LC funding of 1.5m a year. If you split for arguments sake 4.5m per year evenly between 11 counties at most each county gets 400K per year. So allowing for LC games development funding Dublin are still getting 4 times funding greater than any Leinster county all things being equal. And I doubt there was over 4m a year available to Leinster counties over the last 14 years.

Why is the bar set so high for me to prove Dublin have not been financially doped while you are willing to believe they are based on figures that have been shown to be incomplete and only cover a fraction of funding distributed? Did you ever ask Ewan MacKenna to include the provincial funding in his figures? Why not? Double Standards. No one has the Leinster Council figures broken down by county because they are not in the public domain. But there is 4 million plus funding there (maybe a bit less going back the 14 years) for the Leinster Council to distribute which would greatly change the funding per capita totals for each county.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 03:40:55 PM
The other option is to do what soccer do.

40/40/20 split on the gate for all championship games plus home team in league keeps the lot.

I reckon the Dubs would win in said scenario and there woild be no issues around central funding. Because there would be none.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 11:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Falcao on September 04, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM

Debunk away so, enlighten us?

Counties receive dev funding from central and provincial councils. Ewans numbers only cover central council funding they ignore provincial council funding. 60% ( or approx 5m) of games dev funding is distributed via the provincial councils each year. Surely you cannot come to conclusions on funding based on only 40% of the data. If you apply for a mortgage you need to show the bank manager all of your accounts not just the one that makes your case look good.

Ewan uses this method as it suits his agenda because there is one key difference between Dublin and other counties. Dubs receive the bulk of their funding from central council, where as the opposite is true for the other counties, they all receive the majority of their funding from their provincial council. Therefore by just using central council funding the numbers are skewed misleadingly against Dublin.

The other thing he does to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?

Show us the money, not anecdotal evidence. Show us the accounts and break it down you are are the one attempting a debunk, we have all seen the figures from Central Council so show us the Leinster Council Break down over the last 14 years. While you are at it, also show us where any county outside capital projects got direct governement funding for games development!

The figures from Leinster broken down by county are not available. As Ewan doesn't include these numbers, I don't need these numbers to debunk his. In his article he states that Dublin were given 16m in GD funding and Tyrone were given 560k. He doesn't state that this is Central council only or Provincial Council only, therefore he is saying these are the amounts of total GD funding received. I have already proved that this is incorrect so the numbers in his article have been proven to be false as it is a fact that all counties also receive GD funds from their provincial council.

How ridiculous is it to analyse one stream of the funding, come to final figures, not even disclose that these figures do not cover all funding distributed and state that this proves Dublin are financially doped.

I have seen figures from the Leinster Council for 2015 & 2016 where they have some details on games development funding. In these years they have 4.5m and 4.8m funding respectively. Both years have 240k assigned to Dublin Coaching Project, which is approx 5% of the total, leaving a whopping 8.8m that people seem to be presuming that the bulk of which, without any evidence whatsoever goes to Dublin.

You can't debunk something with conjecture, show us the Leinster Council figures, marry them to the Central Council figures which are available and show a clear ridiculous bias to Dublin.

Even take your 9.3 million from the Leinster Council, 480K of that was ring fenced for Dublin. So 5% already is unavailable to other counties, can you provide numerical evidence that none of that remaining 95% goes towards Dublin.

What we do know is that is over the last 14 years Dublin has received in excess including CC and LC funding of 1.5m a year. If you split for arguments sake 4.5m per year evenly between 11 counties at most each county gets 400K per year. So allowing for LC games development funding Dublin are still getting 4 times funding greater than any Leinster county all things being equal. And I doubt there was over 4m a year available to Leinster counties over the last 14 years.

Why is the bar set so high for me to prove Dublin have not been financially doped while you are willing to believe they are based on figures that have been shown to be incomplete and only cover a fraction of funding distributed? Did you ever ask Ewan MacKenna to include the provincial funding in his figures? Why not? Double Standards. No one has the Leinster Council figures broken down by county because they are not in the public domain. But there is 4 million plus funding there (maybe a bit less going back the 14 years) for the Leinster Council to distribute which would greatly change the funding per capita totals for each county.

Because the Central Council funds show a massive proven disparity. You only have conjecture for Leinster Council, you are not very good at this debunking lark are you?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lone Shark on September 05, 2018, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
And Longford were super competitive until the funding issue....

Its 40 years since the second least populated county won anything. By all means use a traditionally competitive county who are falling behind. But Longford are exactly where they always were.

You're right - Longford are the same place they always were. The issue is not that Longford have regressed. It's that Dublin, fuelled by utterly unprecedented financial assistance, are miles out in front, far more than any other team in either sport ever was.

Dublin were always better than Longford over any sustainable amount of time, but the sides met 18 times in the history of championship football up to this year, and Dublin's record read W15, D1, L2. Five of those wins were by a double figure margin, five of those wins were by two goals or less.

This year's Leinster championship meeting was a record win, and it was exactly what was expected. Does anybody on here realistically believe that if the sides met every year for the next six years, that Longford would get a draw or a win in one of those six meetings? Never mind that, does anyone realistically believe that Longford would have any chance of getting within two goals of Dublin, as they did in 9 of their previous 18 meetings? That would be a 20/1 shot now.

Nobody's asking for a system where Longford have a 50/50 chance of beating Dublin in a one off game - but beating them once in a generation should be attainable, and it isn't under the current system.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
Because the Central Council funds show a massive proven disparity. You only have conjecture for Leinster Council, you are not very good at this debunking lark are you?

So ignoring the Provincial Council funding completely and forming conclusions based on a subset of GD funding distributed isn't conjecture? I think you will find it is.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 05, 2018, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
Because the Central Council funds show a massive proven disparity. You only have conjecture for Leinster Council, you are not very good at this debunking lark are you?

So ignoring the Provincial Council funding completely and forming conclusions based on a subset of GD funding distributed isn't conjecture? I think you will find it is.

Sinking faster than Falcao's goal-scoring record in England..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
Because the Central Council funds show a massive proven disparity. You only have conjecture for Leinster Council, you are not very good at this debunking lark are you?

So ignoring the Provincial Council funding completely and forming conclusions based on a subset of GD funding distributed isn't conjecture? I think you will find it is.

You do know conjecture is basing opinion around incomplete information.

We have the Central Council funding information, this is in the public domain, this shows Dublin as an entity getting vastly disproportionate funding.

We do not have have the Leinster Council funding allocation figures, we do know that in 2016 and 2017 5% of this was specifically ring fenced for Dublin. We do not know how the other 95% was allocated, was Dublin excluded from this 95%? How was the previous 12 years allocated?  It seems you are making the assumption that this Leinster Council funding gets distributed to the other 11 Leinster Counties excluding Dublin and that is leading to disparity in figures being reported in the media. You could well be right but you have shown us nothing to prove this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 04:30:10 PM

You do know conjecture is basing opinion around incomplete information.


Yes, what I am saying is that it is irrelevant which council the funding comes from. If you are currently saying Dublin are financially doped due to GD funding received you are doing so on incomplete information because you don't know how much any county receives in total GD funding.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 04:30:10 PM

You do know conjecture is basing opinion around incomplete information.


Yes, what I am saying is that it is irrelevant which council the funding comes from. If you are currently saying Dublin are financially doped due to GD funding received you are doing so on incomplete information because you don't know how much any county receives in total GD funding.

Dublin get the majority of Games Development funding from Central Council, that is an disputable fact.

You have yet to provide the Leinster Council Provincial figures apart from what we know happened in 2016 and 2017. Even if Dublin don't get another cent outside the 5% ring-fenced the remaining 8.9 million spread across 11 counties is still considerable less that Dublin's funding. When 2+2+?=6 we all know what ? is equal to.

Dublin are funded like a province expect that province only has one county to worry about. You have provided no evidence otherwise.

If you were right and considering the attention this is receiving in the media do you not think the GAA would release the LC figures over the last 14 years to show the additional funding towards the other Leinster Counties and that the funding gap is not as wide as the GC demonstrates? Or is there a reason why they haven't released the figures?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 05, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 04:30:10 PM

You do know conjecture is basing opinion around incomplete information.


Yes, what I am saying is that it is irrelevant which council the funding comes from. If you are currently saying Dublin are financially doped due to GD funding received you are doing so on incomplete information because you don't know how much any county receives in total GD funding.

Dublin get the majority of Games Development funding from Central Council, that is an disputable fact.

You have yet to provide the Leinster Council Provincial figures apart from what we know happened in 2016 and 2017. Even if Dublin don't get another cent outside the 5% ring-fenced the remaining 8.9 million spread across 11 counties is still considerable less that Dublin's funding. When 2+2+?=6 we all know what ? is equal to.

Dublin are funded like a province expect that province only has one county to worry about. You have provided no evidence otherwise.

If you were right and considering the attention this is receiving in the media do you not think the GAA would release the LC figures over the last 14 years to show the additional funding towards the other Leinster Counties and that the funding gap is not as wide as the GC demonstrates? Or is there a reason why they haven't released the figures?
Dinny

We need a reference thread with all the relevant info about the Dub Financial doping system
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 05, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Falcao on September 05, 2018, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 04:30:10 PM

You do know conjecture is basing opinion around incomplete information.


Yes, what I am saying is that it is irrelevant which council the funding comes from. If you are currently saying Dublin are financially doped due to GD funding received you are doing so on incomplete information because you don't know how much any county receives in total GD funding.

Dublin get the majority of Games Development funding from Central Council, that is an disputable fact.

You have yet to provide the Leinster Council Provincial figures apart from what we know happened in 2016 and 2017. Even if Dublin don't get another cent outside the 5% ring-fenced the remaining 8.9 million spread across 11 counties is still considerable less that Dublin's funding. When 2+2+?=6 we all know what ? is equal to.

Dublin are funded like a province expect that province only has one county to worry about. You have provided no evidence otherwise.

If you were right and considering the attention this is receiving in the media do you not think the GAA would release the LC figures over the last 14 years to show the additional funding towards the other Leinster Counties and that the funding gap is not as wide as the GC demonstrates? Or is there a reason why they haven't released the figures?
Dinny

We need a reference thread with all the relevant info about the Dub Financial doping system

I suppose we'd have to allow references for bitter, lemon, begrudgery, Micko & Geezers millions, UK Sports funding, JP etc

It's open up a lot of debate in fairness, a lot of on-line traction, MacKenna as you would expect, Parkinson, Clerkin, Sweeney, OTB have all written or spoken about it in the last few months.

We even have some newbies adding a different more informed Dublin perspective..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dec on September 05, 2018, 07:59:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: munchkin on September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats : https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EDA57&PLanguage=0

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

The best argument yet I have seen to split Dublin into 4. They have the population of a province, the funding of a province yet still only have a pathway to 1 inter-county team.

Fingal GAA, Dun Laoghaire GAA, Dublin City GAA and South Dublin GAA need to become a reality.

Would we need to change the basic aim of the association to be "the strengthening of the National Identity in a 35 County Ireland"

"Basic Aim
The Association is a National Organisation which has as
its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity
in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and
promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thejuice on September 06, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
Perhaps every County team should have the same sponsor and then the money divied out evenly.

I'd imagine the likes of AIG or whoever would pay a significant amount for that amount of exposure in every single game and in every jersey sold. There could then be secondary sponsors that are more locally sourced.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on September 06, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
Listened to McKenna there on Dunphy's podcast. Dunphy is deferential to his guests, but I thought McKenna spoke pretty intelligently on the Dublin issue, at least to my relatively out of touch ear.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

I'd like to hear more from former Dublin player Alan Brogan, son of former Dublin player Bernard Brogan Sr and brother of current Dublin player Bernard Brogan Jr, and why he thinks Dublin aren't getting the credit they deserve.
This is the kind of objective analysis we need to counter the Ewan MacKennas of this world.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 09:26:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

I'd like to hear more from former Dublin player Alan Brogan, son of former Dublin player Bernard Brogan Sr and brother of current Dublin player Bernard Brogan Jr, and why he thinks Dublin aren't getting the credit they deserve.
This is the kind of objective analysis we need to counter the Ewan MacKennas of this world.

Ewan who, a crackpot it seems.

Yeah good insight from Brogan, what it tell us that its not 5 stars all the way with Dublin. Iv Played in Innisfails and St Davids, not great at all, Innisfails sure in the country of Dublin !
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thejuice on September 07, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
What about this East Leinster funding that was going on. Any idea what we're doing with it? Probably filling potholes around Brews Hill with it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 07, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
Quote from: Mano on September 04, 2018, 10:17:49 PM

Thats not what i witnessed when i lived in Dublin and was involved with a club at nursery level in up and coming West Dublin club. The GPO would be in the schools every week and would take a session with nursery once a month and give instructions to the mentors and other volunteers. The club encouraged its members to attend GAA courses. In 2 years i attended 3 courses. It was given by 3 different GPO's, one was a current Leitrim footballer, another by Johnny Coopers brother and the GPO of the club. To say GPO dont get involved with training of young players is false. They mentor all the club volunteers in drills and preparation and get involved in training themselves. Difference in Sligo is night and day. Only 2 GPO between all Sligo clubs.

Well said. This is actually very close to my experience and more non-Dubs living in Dublin should tell us their experience, because many don't seem to believe me.

They go to local primary schools to take PE classes. As the majority will not be GAA members, this focuses on basic skills. This takes about 50% of their working week, hence 50% is paid by the GAA. The other 50% is paid by the club.
They take nursery classes at the club to teach basic skills to very young children that are too young to be on a team.
They give courses to parents who have no experience and who want to learn basic drills etc, so they can look after teams their young lads are on. Even parents with senior playing experience can join these, but rarely do in my experience.
Some GPOs are good, some are useless. It's good that in your experience they kept an eye on some of the parents they'd given courses to. That wasn't my experience.
But they don't take teams (unless on a very short term basis when a team's manager has left), and they don't go near elite players.

Agree 100% that there should be more of them in other counties. 89 in all the rest of Leinster I believe.
I wonder how many clubs choose to pay an outside manager and choose not to use those funds to pay for 50% of a GPO's salary?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 07, 2018, 01:57:54 PM
The GAA have rolled out Jarleth, they must be feeling the heat. I haven't listened yet as I am in work..


https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/jarlath-burns-colm-parkinson-gaa-hour-176158 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/jarlath-burns-colm-parkinson-gaa-hour-176158)


QuoteThe biggest problem is that the GAA overachieved on the aims of its strategic review in 2002.

As much as the funding that was injected into the games promotion of Dublin is creating an imbalance, it was a necessary thing to do.

Dublin houses a fifth of the country and that fraction is getting bigger every year. The GAA want to have the biggest and most popular games in Ireland. But, in their capital, they were seeing nothing but decline as rugby and soccer made moves, backed with resources, finances and dreams.

Still, today, even with the powerhouse that Dublin has become, the proportion of registered players relative to the population is behind most counties.



    "Somebody who met us commented on the situation [in Dublin] and said the day before the 1995 All-Ireland final, you could've walked down O'Connell Street, the main street in the capital city of our country, and you would not have known that there was even a match going to take place, never mind that this county was going to be participating in an All-Ireland final.

    "I'll read a bit of this report. It says, 'the last five years have seen a rapid growth in the number of people living in the Greater Dublin Area. Recent research has indicated that fewer and fewer of these children are choosing Gaelic Games as their preferred activity. The situation is further compounded by the fact that the main competitors in the sporting arena are investing significantly in marketing their games aggressively, including areas and schools where previously the GAA was the dominant entity in sporting terms.'

    "The GAA was declining rapidly in Dublin at that stage. I remember Peter Quinn's report at the special congress that said there are vast tracks of inner city Dublin and in South Dublin where the people don't even know that the GAA exists, never mind playing it.

    "That was borne out a few years later whenever we relaxed Rule 42 and the IRFU had to issues direction for people in South Dublin to get to Croke Park."

16 years later and Cuala in South Dublin are winning All-Ireland hurling titles, the county footballers have taken home six of the last eight Sam Maguires and Croke Park is the only destination for a lot of the kids in the capital.

But it's important to remember that the money was never intended to target winning more at senior level. It was about participation and nothing else.

    "Remember what the GAA's coaching and games strategy is, what the ethos is. It is not anything to do with producing elite performance - that comes later on at the academy, which counties themselves have to fund. What it is is participation, honoured by this statement: 'We want people to play and stay with the GAA,' Burns explained.

    "You make a point asking, 'why was all this money going into Dublin?' I would respond to that by saying any area where the GAA sees that there's a need, they will invest in it.

    "If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?

    "I'm not arguing with what you're saying because there is an imbalance. Even at the highest level of Croke Park, they'll admit that there's an imbalance."


Other counties have problems too and you can see where their gripes are coming from. But at the time, the GAA needed to be stronger in Dublin.

    "I believe that it's very important that the GAA is strong and vibrant and relevant in our capital city.

    "At the time the strategic review was written, we were losing a massive amount of potential throughout the city because of the amount of aggressive marketing that was being done by other sports. There is only so much decline you can take before you say, 'right, we have to stop it.'"

Just on the points highlighted

1. I work in Dublin, you would not have known Dublin were in the All-Ireland final this year, so I do not know what his point is..

2. Leinster rugby since 2009 have cutting investment in games development, like all professional sports extra money gets funneled to players and the FAI have f**k all money so again a lie that has somehow become a truth to justify the additional funding

3. The GAA in inner city Dublin is dying and the GAA are complicit not saviours

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevins-gaa-club-oppose-proposed-sale-of-section-of-dolphin-park-1.3444737 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevins-gaa-club-oppose-proposed-sale-of-section-of-dolphin-park-1.3444737)

4. Where is this increased participation, how much of an increase compared to other counties who got a fraction of the funding? Where are all the new clubs? Where are all the new pitches and shared infrastructure?



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
This line stood out to me.
"If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?"
:-\
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
This line stood out to me.
"If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?"
:-\

He's right, or is it just bog ball for the country folk. Soccer is the biggest game played in Dublin. Rugby has been extremely popular.

You all just cant handle that the laughing stock of the country in the 00s is now one of the greatest teams  of all time, no more 5 past Cluxton or don't believe the hypes stuff.

Suck it up.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 07, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.

Indeed it will be interesting.

Interesting to see if they include any payments to the management team/backroom staff in the information that Brolly receives.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
This line stood out to me.
"If we don't have a strong presence in the capital city of our country, how relevant are we going to be?"
:-\

He's right, or is it just bog ball for the country folk. Soccer is the biggest game played in Dublin. Rugby has been extremely popular.

You all just cant handle that the laughing stock of the country in the 00s is now one of the greatest teams  of all time, no more 5 past Cluxton or don't believe the hypes stuff.

Suck it up.

Leinster champions in 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 & 2009.
All-Ireland quarter-finalists in 2001, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009.
All-Ireland semi-finalists in 2002, 2006, 2007 & 2010.
They badly needed a dig-out alright.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
The Dubs are playing Brolly like an absolute fiddle by the way.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.

Indeed it will be interesting.

Interesting to see if they include any payments to the management team/backroom staff in the information that Brolly receives.

And how it differs from other big counties set ups I presume too. E,G Physios etc.

Id say some of you are sweating that some hard truth facts are coming your way.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 07, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?
We?

Im teally coming tound to the notion of counties raising their own money at the gate, tv money and merch. No central funding to whinge about. You earn it, you spend it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 07, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?

Don't understand what you mean, you need to ask the parents of the primary School kids and mini league kids where the money goes for it back.

From another forum, Joe Brolly states on Twitter that he has got all the information, stats and figures from the Dublin county board and will be doing an article on it over the next few weeks. be interesting to see.

Indeed it will be interesting.

Interesting to see if they include any payments to the management team/backroom staff in the information that Brolly receives.

And how it differs from other big counties set ups I presume too. E,G Physios etc.

Id say some of you are sweating that some hard truth facts are coming your way.

Oh yea really really sweating. A Joe Brolly article.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 03:08:26 PM
I presume Dublin will be playing with a nice clean amateur sponsor free jersey from now on.
Maybe AIG could sponsor the other 31 Counties as we seem to be the only ones who think money is required.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 07, 2018, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 07, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Seems so, lets close it down now.

If the money doesn't matter... can we have it back?
We?

Im teally coming tound to the notion of counties raising their own money at the gate, tv money and merch. No central funding to whinge about. You earn it, you spend it.

Great Dublin may split the gate though at they play the vast majority of games at home too. Something approaching 80%.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 03:35:23 PM
Jaysus lads the bitterness.... people are laughing at you now.

Dublin played 7 different counties to win the All Ireland, why did the other teams get knocked out of the championship, was it because of money, resources or population, like Galway v Leitrim etc.

Do Galway have an unfair advantage in Connaught  over the likes of Leitrim or?

I wonder why the don't win it every year so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: iorras on September 07, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 03:35:23 PM
Jaysus lads the bitterness.... people are laughing at you now.

Dublin played 7 different counties to win the All Ireland, why did the other teams get knocked out of the championship, was it because of money, resources or population, like Galway v Leitrim etc.

Do Galway have an unfair advantage in Connaught  over the likes of Leitrim or?

I wonder why the don't win it every year so.
um, they have for the last 4 years. And are odds on for the 5 in a row.  t
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 07, 2018, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Basically saying that the Dubs work harder than everyone else, really ,is it that simple ?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 07, 2018, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: mup on September 07, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 07, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 05, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 05, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Where is all the money that is been pumped into Dublin Gaa going. They are attracting huge sponsors. The clubs have massive membership and should be self sufficient with not only money for facilities but volunteers for coaching. Its seemingly not been spent on the intercounty teams. So what return are the government or the gaa or who is providing these massive grants getting back for it.
'the clubs...'

They don't want to hear the truth, pipedown. They think all the money goes into the Senior football team . . . . . .

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Sure that's it sorted so lads and ladies.

Close the thread.  ;)

Basically saying that the Dubs work harder than everyone else, really ,is it that simple ?

Combined with natural talent, skill and brilliant coaching, game plans and tactics.   :) ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 07, 2018, 04:37:03 PM
I was never in favour of splitting Dublin in two and always thought there was never a chance of it happening but it will happen when HQ realise the financial benefits of doing so, while their at it they may as well split them in 4 in preparation for the population growth.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 05:38:16 PM
Some of you guys on both sides are letting yourselves down. Dublin do have advantages. Is that why they've won four in a row? Not at all. No amount of money would give those Dublin boys the desire to win. The desire like that shown by Mannion on Sunday past. Some people just do not want to give this Dublin team any credit whatsoever.
To the dubs burying your head in the sand regarding money. There is an unfair advantage. You guys gets a very unequal share of the money. Accept it and keep supporting your bloody brilliant team
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 07, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
Quote from: Mano on September 04, 2018, 10:17:49 PM

Thats not what i witnessed when i lived in Dublin and was involved with a club at nursery level in up and coming West Dublin club. The GPO would be in the schools every week and would take a session with nursery once a month and give instructions to the mentors and other volunteers. The club encouraged its members to attend GAA courses. In 2 years i attended 3 courses. It was given by 3 different GPO's, one was a current Leitrim footballer, another by Johnny Coopers brother and the GPO of the club. To say GPO dont get involved with training of young players is false. They mentor all the club volunteers in drills and preparation and get involved in training themselves. Difference in Sligo is night and day. Only 2 GPO between all Sligo clubs.

Well said. This is actually very close to my experience and more non-Dubs living in Dublin should tell us their experience, because many don't seem to believe me.

They go to local primary schools to take PE classes. As the majority will not be GAA members, this focuses on basic skills. This takes about 50% of their working week, hence 50% is paid by the GAA. The other 50% is paid by the club.
They take nursery classes at the club to teach basic skills to very young children that are too young to be on a team.
They give courses to parents who have no experience and who want to learn basic drills etc, so they can look after teams their young lads are on. Even parents with senior playing experience can join these, but rarely do in my experience.
Some GPOs are good, some are useless. It's good that in your experience they kept an eye on some of the parents they'd given courses to. That wasn't my experience.
But they don't take teams (unless on a very short term basis when a team's manager has left), and they don't go near elite players.

Agree 100% that there should be more of them in other counties. 89 in all the rest of Leinster I believe.
I wonder how many clubs choose to pay an outside manager and choose not to use those funds to pay for 50% of a GPO's salary?
Dublin has a population of 1.34 million and 90 GPOs. The rest of Leinster has a population of 1.16 million and 89 GPOs.

That doesn't seem particularly out of kilter to me.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 05:38:16 PM
Some of you guys on both sides are letting yourselves down. Dublin do have advantages. Is that why they've won four in a row? Not at all. No amount of money would give those Dublin boys the desire to win. The desire like that shown by Mannion on Sunday past. Some people just do not want to give this Dublin team any credit whatsoever.
To the dubs burying your head in the sand regarding money. There is an unfair advantage. You guys gets a very unequal share of the money. Accept it and keep supporting your bloody brilliant team
But hasn't the inter-county system always been inherently unfair? That's the way it is, rightly or wrongly. All representative sport is unfair. Germany has 20 times the population of Ireland. That's "unfair" but its the basis of international football. It's no different to the GAA. But less than two months ago a country with 4 million people reached the World Cup final.

The GAA is based on place. People are fiercely loyal to their counties. Yet because Dublin win a six All-Irelands in eight years, some people suddenly think that Dublin people should expect to take the proposed splitting up of their county team lying down. You'd swear one team dominating in such a manner had never happened before.

Why shouldn't Dublin be allowed to generate more sponsorship and commercial revenue than other counties?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: omaghjoe on September 07, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
I think the money should be put inot Dublin I mean based on the population it is only fair.

However if you then equate that to the county scene then its also not fair. Spliting Dublin in two is also not the solution as sure they will still be the at least X2 the size of the nearest county.

Provincial status is the only way. An experiment with Dublin entered into a revived Railway Cup as a stand alone team would be interesting experiment and I am sure would at least draw a bigger crowd that the last installment of the provincial competition did
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 07, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
I think the money should be put inot Dublin I mean based on the population it is only fair.

However if you then equate that to the county scene then its also not fair. Spliting Dublin in two is also not the solution as sure they will still be the at least X2 the size of the nearest county.

Provincial status is the only way. An experiment with Dublin entered into a revived Railway Cup as a stand alone team would be interesting experiment and I am sure would at least draw a bigger crowd that the last installment of the provincial competition did
To sort of answer my own question in my previous post and to provide a counter argument to what I said about sponsorship.

You could look at funding of counties in two different ways - grass roots and inter-county - almost like the way US politics is organised along two distinct pathways to recognise both the separate nature of each state and the massive population differences -  the senate has two representatives from each state and then the House has representatives based on population, with say, California having far more House members than Wyoming.

In this scenario, funding for games development is based on population.  Games development is by definition non-inter-county, non-elite. It's about maximising participation and ensuring proper structures are put in place appropriate to local communities. Dublin has 1.34 million people, Longford has 40k. But Dublin has a lower participation rate than anywhee else. Participation rates in Dublin are no less important than anywhere else. Therefore obviously Dublin will get a much larger share of this than Longford because it has a much bigger population. That's as it should be.

At inter-county level, each county aims to have a similar-ish size panel, we'll say 30 to 35. The main reason Dublin can put such a top level set up in place at inter-county level is commercial revenue. Dublin can attract many multiples of what most other counties can in this regard because of its natural economic advantages. Because other counties don't have the commercial revenue potential Dublin do, it's far harder to put top level set ups in place for those 30 to 35 players. This is really where the big difference is being made at inter-county level. In many cases it's professionals v pub team stuff. So if you want to try and even the playing field, you have to find some way of pooling commerical revenue.

How to do that, or to what extent there should be redistribution, is the big question, and one that I feel would be fraught with difficulty in addressing and getting agreement on. But you could, for argument's sake, say that each county gets to keep 70%, hell, let's say 50%, of their commercial and sponsorship revenue and the rest would be pooled centrally to be divided equally between each county.

Therefore you have a much more even playing field in terms of top level set ups in place for county teams, while allocating grass roots games development funds evenly throughout the country based on population.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: omaghjoe on September 07, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 07, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
I think the money should be put inot Dublin I mean based on the population it is only fair.

However if you then equate that to the county scene then its also not fair. Spliting Dublin in two is also not the solution as sure they will still be the at least X2 the size of the nearest county.

Provincial status is the only way. An experiment with Dublin entered into a revived Railway Cup as a stand alone team would be interesting experiment and I am sure would at least draw a bigger crowd that the last installment of the provincial competition did
To sort of answer my own question in my previous post and to provide a counter argument to what I said about sponsorship.

You could look at funding of counties in two different ways - grass roots and inter-county - almost like the way US politics is organised along two distinct pathways to recognise both the separate nature of each state and the massive population differences -  the senate has two representatives from each state and then the House has representatives based on population, with say, California having far more House members than Wyoming.

In this scenario, funding for games development is based on population.  Games development is by definition non-inter-county, non-elite. It's about maximising participation and ensuring proper structures are put in place appropriate to local communities. Dublin has 1.34 million people, Longford has 40k. But Dublin has a lower participation rate than anywhee else. Participation rates in Dublin are no less important than anywhere else. Therefore obviously Dublin will get a much larger share of this than Longford because it has a much bigger population. That's as it should be.

At inter-county level, each county aims to have a similar-ish size panel, we'll say 30 to 35. The main reason Dublin can put such a top level set up in place at inter-county level is commercial revenue. Dublin can attract many multiples of what most other counties can in this regard because of its natural economic advantages. Because other counties don't have the commercial revenue potential Dublin do, it's far harder to put top level set ups in place for those 30 to 35 players. This is really where the big difference is being made at inter-county level. In many cases it's professionals v pub team stuff. So if you want to try and even the playing field, you have to find some way of pooling commerical revenue.

How to do that, or to what extent there should be redistribution, is the big question, and one that I feel would be fraught with difficulty in addressing and getting agreement on. But you could, for argument's sake, say that each county gets to keep 70%, hell, let's say 50%, of their commercial and sponsorship revenue and the rest would be pooled centrally to be divided equally between each county.

Therefore you have a much more even playing field in terms of top level set ups in place for county teams, while allocating grass roots games development funds evenly throughout the country.

I agree to an extent but the money and infrastructure of clubs will filter thru and benefit the county setup also. Not to mention the already massive and already expanding pool of players.
Interpros for a full size Dublin is the only way. Dublin Divisional sides (i'd recommend about 4 at the min) could enter the inter county competition.

To continue the intercounty competition in the same way while massive population shifts are taking place is barmy
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 07:29:07 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 07, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 07, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
I think the money should be put inot Dublin I mean based on the population it is only fair.

However if you then equate that to the county scene then its also not fair. Spliting Dublin in two is also not the solution as sure they will still be the at least X2 the size of the nearest county.

Provincial status is the only way. An experiment with Dublin entered into a revived Railway Cup as a stand alone team would be interesting experiment and I am sure would at least draw a bigger crowd that the last installment of the provincial competition did
To sort of answer my own question in my previous post and to provide a counter argument to what I said about sponsorship.

You could look at funding of counties in two different ways - grass roots and inter-county - almost like the way US politics is organised along two distinct pathways to recognise both the separate nature of each state and the massive population differences -  the senate has two representatives from each state and then the House has representatives based on population, with say, California having far more House members than Wyoming.

In this scenario, funding for games development is based on population.  Games development is by definition non-inter-county, non-elite. It's about maximising participation and ensuring proper structures are put in place appropriate to local communities. Dublin has 1.34 million people, Longford has 40k. But Dublin has a lower participation rate than anywhee else. Participation rates in Dublin are no less important than anywhere else. Therefore obviously Dublin will get a much larger share of this than Longford because it has a much bigger population. That's as it should be.

At inter-county level, each county aims to have a similar-ish size panel, we'll say 30 to 35. The main reason Dublin can put such a top level set up in place at inter-county level is commercial revenue. Dublin can attract many multiples of what most other counties can in this regard because of its natural economic advantages. Because other counties don't have the commercial revenue potential Dublin do, it's far harder to put top level set ups in place for those 30 to 35 players. This is really where the big difference is being made at inter-county level. In many cases it's professionals v pub team stuff. So if you want to try and even the playing field, you have to find some way of pooling commerical revenue.

How to do that, or to what extent there should be redistribution, is the big question, and one that I feel would be fraught with difficulty in addressing and getting agreement on. But you could, for argument's sake, say that each county gets to keep 70%, hell, let's say 50%, of their commercial and sponsorship revenue and the rest would be pooled centrally to be divided equally between each county.

Therefore you have a much more even playing field in terms of top level set ups in place for county teams, while allocating grass roots games development funds evenly throughout the country.

I agree to an extent but the money and infrastructure of clubs will filter thru and benefit the county setup also. Not to mention the already massive and already expanding pool of players.
Interpros for a full size Dublin is the only way. Dublin Divisional sides (i'd recommend about 4 at the min) could enter the inter county competition.

To continue the intercounty competition in the same way while massive population shifts are taking place is barmy

But in population terms Dublin (1.34 million) v Galway (258k) in Gaelic fooball is like Germany (82m) taking Holland (17m) in association football. Sure Germany have been more successful historically, but the Dutch have always competed against them and indeed beaten them when it mattered. People are not crying to re-split Germany because it has a bigger population.

And again, Croatia, with 4m, reached the World Cup final while Germany went out in the first round.

In practical terms, how would one go about splitting Dublin in this hypothetical scenario people are imagining? What are the practical implications of it for GAA in Dublin? Would it apply to hurling? What sort of opposition could one expect? What sort of impact on attendances could we expect?

What examples from other sports do we have of teams being forcibly broken up? What examples do we have of mergers, even? And how many of these examples involved the sport's biggest team?



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:04:29 PM
4 Council areas so 4 County Boards.
Dublin has over twice the population of Connacht,  more people than "GAA Ulster" and around the same as Munster and rest of Leinster.
There is a another debate to be held about whether County units are feasible in the future for representative football.
As a compromise ye could still field All Dublin hurling teams.
Galway is half hurling by the way.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 05:38:16 PM
Some of you guys on both sides are letting yourselves down. Dublin do have advantages. Is that why they've won four in a row? Not at all. No amount of money would give those Dublin boys the desire to win. The desire like that shown by Mannion on Sunday past. Some people just do not want to give this Dublin team any credit whatsoever.
To the dubs burying your head in the sand regarding money. There is an unfair advantage. You guys gets a very unequal share of the money. Accept it and keep supporting your bloody brilliant team
But hasn't the inter-county system always been inherently unfair? That's the way it is, rightly or wrongly. All representative sport is unfair. Germany has 20 times the population of Ireland. That's "unfair" but its the basis of international football. It's no different to the GAA. But less than two months ago a country with 4 million people reached the World Cup final.

The GAA is based on place. People are fiercely loyal to their counties. Yet because Dublin win a six All-Irelands in eight years, some people suddenly think that Dublin people should expect to take the proposed splitting up of their county team lying down. You'd swear one team dominating in such a manner had never happened before.

Why shouldn't Dublin be allowed to generate more sponsorship and commercial revenue than other counties?

I never mentioned splitting Dublin. To me that's not an option. My post was more about how people on this thread are getting on regarding Dublin and money
I do agree with your post tho.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:08:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:04:29 PM
4 Council areas so 4 County Boards.
Dublin has over twice the population of Connacht,  more people than "GAA Ulster" and around the same as Munster and rest of Leinster.
There is a another debate to be held about whether County units are feasible in the future for representative football.
As a compromise ye could still field All Dublin hurling teams.
Galway is half hurling by the way.

Dublin has more people than "GAA Ulster" what does that mean? Does GAA Dublin have more population than GAA Ulster? It seems to me that part was trying to make your argument fit your narrative
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 09:29:42 PM
Are you from the 6 Cos Tonto?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is a potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).

..and who spawn little GAA mad Dublin rugrats when the time comes.. Christ, how do you drive if you're that cross-eyed?

Oh right, you have a world class public transport system so you don't need to.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).

..and who spawn little GAA mad Dublin rugrats when the time comes.. Christ, how do you drive if you're that cross-eyed?

Oh right, you have a world class public transport system so you don't need to.

The notion that Dublin has a world class public transport system is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).

..and who spawn little GAA mad Dublin rugrats when the time comes.. Christ, how do you drive if you're that cross-eyed?

Oh right, you have a world class public transport system so you don't need to.

The notion that Dublin has a world class public transport system is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Go to most other similarly-sized cities in the western world and you're going to be praising the efficiency and reliability of Dublin Bus..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 11:44:59 PM
Better than the public transport service between Ballinameen and Rooskey .....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We don't fight back enough.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2018, 09:36:56 AM
Ok lads take no money from the GAA or AIG for 2019.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 09:55:37 AM
Have 80% of your players drive down or share a care to Mullingar to train midweek. the lads who actually drive down won't get their expenses until after next year's season btw.

No personalised meals to be delivered to players

Ye can use the gym gear that is housed in some industrial unit somewhere in the county.

Actually, training might be in Mullingar, or Athlone. Depending on pitch availability. The players will get a text.

Most of your games will be played away.

and there's no money to pay for the physios for a few weeks, and the lifestyle coach had to go, as did the 4 lads on stats and video analysis.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
Paddy Christie out in the papers as well

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-empire-built-on-solid-structures-from-grassroots-up-1.3621868 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-empire-built-on-solid-structures-from-grassroots-up-1.3621868)

they must all have got the same text!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
Paddy Christie out in the papers as well

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-empire-built-on-solid-structures-from-grassroots-up-1.3621868 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-empire-built-on-solid-structures-from-grassroots-up-1.3621868)

they must all have got the same text!

Aside from that what did you think of the articles and the points they made - or did you even read the articles?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 08, 2018, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We don't fight back enough.

Are you serious , I never read such inane drivel in all my life. Such a defensive tone too. 

Just keep kicking them balls and the all Ireland's will come.good man Alan makes sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2018, 11:02:19 AM
I don't understand the defensiveness. I don't think anyone (maybe I'm wrong) is saying this team is only winning because of money. They work hard, are very well organised, have some excellent players and are the best team in the country no matter where you play them or when.

Are people denying that there is an inequity in funding, or that Dublin get a disproportionate amount of funding direct from CC, in addition to the multiples of 'revenue streams' they can generate by getting sponsorship etc based on their location and demographics? If people are denying that, when it has been accepted as at least needing review by several leading GAA officials over the past couple of years, then I don't think there's much more point debating it.

But those people, I would just say one thing. If the 16m has not contributed to structures, coaching and games development, and has not at least had a significant effect on the creation of the current situation in Leinster, then just stop accepting the money. If it hasn't been useful, then it's a criminal waste of money. If it has been useful, then at least acknowledge it.

I do not want to split up Dublin. Screw that. You want to play the Dubs and beat the Dubs, not Fingal or Rathdown. But review the financial situation to at least allow an amateur game be played on a footing where the only advantages Dublin have are the ones they've always had. Population, Home Advantage in massive games, and an inherent cockiness :)

Dublin won't win 6 or 7 All Irelands in a row. They will be caught one fine day by Kerry, or Mayo, or Galway, or Tyrone or someone who emerges to join he chasing pack. But when that day comes, it will not be some indication of the 'end' of Dublin. Unless the controllable inequities are addressed, the machine will keep turning, and out of the next 20 All Irelands, Dublin will probably win 14 or 15 of them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 08, 2018, 11:42:19 AM
I stopped reading Whealo after he said the accusations are down to money and money alone.

No one is denying the Dubs are a great team and who knows even with a level playing field they'd probably still be winning AI's but at least give the rest a fair chance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 08, 2018, 11:53:29 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).

..and who spawn little GAA mad Dublin rugrats when the time comes.. Christ, how do you drive if you're that cross-eyed?

Oh right, you have a world class public transport system so you don't need to.

The notion that Dublin has a world class public transport system is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Go to most other similarly-sized cities in the western world and you're going to be praising the efficiency and reliability of Dublin Bus..

I've lived in Manchester Liverpool and London. And no I won't be.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2018, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We don't fight back enough.

Are you serious , I never read such inane drivel in all my life. Such a defensive tone too. 

Just keep kicking them balls and the all Ireland's will come.good man Alan makes sense.

Are Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 08, 2018, 12:13:48 PM
QuoteAre Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?

That's the key question that we will never know.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 08, 2018, 12:13:48 PM
QuoteAre Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?

That's the key question that we will never know.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 08, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 08, 2018, 11:53:29 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).

..and who spawn little GAA mad Dublin rugrats when the time comes.. Christ, how do you drive if you're that cross-eyed?

Oh right, you have a world class public transport system so you don't need to.

The notion that Dublin has a world class public transport system is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Go to most other similarly-sized cities in the western world and you're going to be praising the efficiency and reliability of Dublin Bus..

I've lived in Manchester Liverpool and London. And no I won't be.
Dublin's metro system is the envy of the world.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2018, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We don't fight back enough.

Are you serious , I never read such inane drivel in all my life. Such a defensive tone too. 

Just keep kicking them balls and the all Ireland's will come.good man Alan makes sense.

Are Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?
would they have developed in eg Offaly? or Cavan?
without all the same support and expertise that the Dublin CB can afford?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2018, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We don't fight back enough.

Are you serious , I never read such inane drivel in all my life. Such a defensive tone too. 

Just keep kicking them balls and the all Ireland's will come.good man Alan makes sense.

Are Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?
would they have developed in eg Offaly? or Cavan?
without all the same support and expertise that the Dublin CB can afford?

Would they have developed in Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Galway, Tyrone, Monaghan etc. ?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on September 08, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 08, 2018, 11:02:19 AM
I don't understand the defensiveness. I don't think anyone (maybe I'm wrong) is saying this team is only winning because of money. They work hard, are very well organised, have some excellent players and are the best team in the country no matter where you play them or when.

Are people denying that there is an inequity in funding, or that Dublin get a disproportionate amount of funding direct from CC, in addition to the multiples of 'revenue streams' they can generate by getting sponsorship etc based on their location and demographics? If people are denying that, when it has been accepted as at least needing review by several leading GAA officials over the past couple of years, then I don't think there's much more point debating it.

But those people, I would just say one thing. If the 16m has not contributed to structures, coaching and games development, and has not at least had a significant effect on the creation of the current situation in Leinster, then just stop accepting the money. If it hasn't been useful, then it's a criminal waste of money. If it has been useful, then at least acknowledge it.

I do not want to split up Dublin. Screw that. You want to play the Dubs and beat the Dubs, not Fingal or Rathdown. But review the financial situation to at least allow an amateur game be played on a footing where the only advantages Dublin have are the ones they've always had. Population, Home Advantage in massive games, and an inherent cockiness :)

Dublin won't win 6 or 7 All Irelands in a row. They will be caught one fine day by Kerry, or Mayo, or Galway, or Tyrone or someone who emerges to join he chasing pack. But when that day comes, it will not be some indication of the 'end' of Dublin. Unless the controllable inequities are addressed, the machine will keep turning, and out of the next 20 All Irelands, Dublin will probably win 14 or 15 of them.

That's about the height of it. And is that what Dublin really want? If it continues down this road, people, including Dubs, are going to stop watching. Even in the relatively close (on the scoreboard) games they played this year, Dublin NEVER looked in any danger of not winning at their leisure. The final was over after 25 minutes. We were only three or four points down very near the end of the first Super 8 game, yet it never seemed as if they were in any way troubled by what we were offering. Dublin could have beaten us by ten points, easily, if they'd been bothered. They knew it. We knew it. Same with Tyrone on Sunday, where the Dubs even engaged in a bit of keep-ball with more than 20 minutes left.

I disagree on splitting Dublin. Not saying it should definitely happen, but it absolutely should be on the table going forward. And yes, there has always been a structural player-base inequality to gaelic games, given the geographical/religious units around which it is organized, but does that mean that no steps can be taken anywhere? Teams have split and amalgamated below the county level many times. St. Joseph's were winning all ahead of them in Donegal back in the late 60s and 70s (even had success in Ulster, which no other Donegal senior club has done) before the county said enough is enough and split them back up into Aodh Rua and Bundoran. Similarly, albeit to less success so far, trophy-wise, Letterkenny Gaels were formed in the 90s to cater for the growing population of the town and offer an alternative outlet to Eunan's. No reason why a North Dublin/South Dublin set-up or the like couldn't at least be trialled if the current trend continues. Unless things have changed from the many years I lived in Dublin myself, there is already a healthy cultural rivalry there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2018, 01:47:39 PM
Crowds already dropping at Dublin games this year.
AZ -if Offaly or Ros ever  win an AI again you or I won't give 2 flying fcks who they bate along the way -whether it's Fingal, North Kildare, Thomond,  South Ulster or anyone else.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 08, 2018, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 08, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
No reason why a North Dublin/South Dublin set-up or the like couldn't at least be trialled if the current trend continues. Unless things have changed from the many years I lived in Dublin myself, there is already a healthy cultural rivalry there.
It really isn't that simple.

Plenty of Dublin GAA people might identify on some level as being Northsiders or Southsiders, but that identity is firmly in the hapenny place compared to their identity as Dubs. They've all grown up supporting one Dublin team. There is a stronger Northside identity than a Southside one. I'm a southsider technically as the area I grew up in is just south of the Liffey but very few in the area I grew up in would identify as being Southside. The Southside thing is mainly confined to places where rugby is strong. My Da is a Northsider and in many ways I feel more of an affinity with the Northside than I do with the Southside for cultural reasons.

Consider how people in your own county might react if it was either forcibly split in two or forced to amalgamate with another county/counties.

I somehow doubt the people there would take it lying down. And it would be no different in Dublin. In fact there would be war, in metaphorical terms, over it.

People who suggest splitting Dublin need to be aware that it would be the most controversial issue in Irish sporting history by a million miles. It would completely dwarf Saipan, Michelle Smith, Rule 42 and the Henry handball put together.

Dublin people would struggle to identify with the new teams because these would not be the teams that they have grown up supporting. It would likely cause immense harm to the GAA in Dublin and it's likely that many people in Dublin would end up walking away from the GAA altogether over the issue.

It would also detract from any future All-Irelands won by other counties.

It's an issue that would be Brexit-like in terms of the chaos it would cause.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2018, 02:08:40 PM
We're all wedded to Counties but it's a totally inequitable setup.

No All Ireland will lose its value because an area of 1.4 million is sub divided.
However the counter to sub dividing the Monster would be amalgamating smaller Counties.
But if we're all happy to have Dublin winning 8 or 9 All Irelands a decade.......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on September 08, 2018, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 08, 2018, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 08, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
No reason why a North Dublin/South Dublin set-up or the like couldn't at least be trialled if the current trend continues. Unless things have changed from the many years I lived in Dublin myself, there is already a healthy cultural rivalry there.
It really isn't that simple.

Plenty of Dublin GAA people might identify on some level as being Northsiders or Southsiders, but that identity is firmly in the hapenny place compared to their identity as Dubs. They've all grown up supporting one Dublin team. There is a stronger Northside identity than a Southside one. I'm a southsider technically as the area I grew up in is just south of the Liffey but very few in the area I grew up in would identify as being Southside. The Southside thing is mainly confined to places where rugby is strong. My Da is a Northsider and in many ways I feel more of an affinity with the Northside than I do with the Southside for cultural reasons.

Consider how people in your own county might react if it was either forcibly split in two or forced to amalgamate with another county/counties.

I somehow doubt the people there would take it lying down. And it would be no different in Dublin. In fact there would be war, in metaphorical terms, over it.

People who suggest splitting Dublin need to be aware that it would be the most controversial issue in Irish sporting history by a million miles. It would completely dwarf Saipan, Michelle Smith, Rule 42 and the Henry handball put together.

Dublin people would struggle to identify with the new teams because these would not be the teams that they have grown up supporting. It would likely cause immense harm to the GAA in Dublin and it's likely that many people in Dublin would end up walking away from the GAA altogether over the issue.

It would also detract from any future All-Irelands won by other counties.

It's an issue that would be Brexit-like in terms of the chaos it would cause.
I can't see Dubs ever going for it because I reckon deep down they just enjoy winning, it becomes addictive. I doubt Dublin really care if the sport is competitive or not...sure Celtic and Bayern supporters are hardly flinching at the prospect of inevitable championships every year .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 08, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We don't fight back enough.
I'm just going to take this bit from Whelan

QuoteIt really boils down to an exceptional group of players arriving at the same time

Dublin have used 31 different starters on their 2011 to 2018 All Ireland winning teams in comparison Kerry 1978 to 1982 had just 18 different starters.   When that group of Kerry players got older they fell away while Dublin are keeping the average age of their team low and with the players to come through yet will keep things ticking over in the years ahead.


Some also had the view that Dublin weren't as good this year as recent years and would miss Connolly come the business end yet they ended strolling to another All Ireland and ended up scoring more this summer than any of their other All Ireland winning teams and what they conceded was on par with previous years. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 08, 2018, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 08, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 08, 2018, 11:02:19 AM
I don't understand the defensiveness. I don't think anyone (maybe I'm wrong) is saying this team is only winning because of money. They work hard, are very well organised, have some excellent players and are the best team in the country no matter where you play them or when.

Are people denying that there is an inequity in funding, or that Dublin get a disproportionate amount of funding direct from CC, in addition to the multiples of 'revenue streams' they can generate by getting sponsorship etc based on their location and demographics? If people are denying that, when it has been accepted as at least needing review by several leading GAA officials over the past couple of years, then I don't think there's much more point debating it.

But those people, I would just say one thing. If the 16m has not contributed to structures, coaching and games development, and has not at least had a significant effect on the creation of the current situation in Leinster, then just stop accepting the money. If it hasn't been useful, then it's a criminal waste of money. If it has been useful, then at least acknowledge it.

I do not want to split up Dublin. Screw that. You want to play the Dubs and beat the Dubs, not Fingal or Rathdown. But review the financial situation to at least allow an amateur game be played on a footing where the only advantages Dublin have are the ones they've always had. Population, Home Advantage in massive games, and an inherent cockiness :)

Dublin won't win 6 or 7 All Irelands in a row. They will be caught one fine day by Kerry, or Mayo, or Galway, or Tyrone or someone who emerges to join he chasing pack. But when that day comes, it will not be some indication of the 'end' of Dublin. Unless the controllable inequities are addressed, the machine will keep turning, and out of the next 20 All Irelands, Dublin will probably win 14 or 15 of them.

That's about the height of it. And is that what Dublin really want? If it continues down this road, people, including Dubs, are going to stop watching. Even in the relatively close (on the scoreboard) games they played this year, Dublin NEVER looked in any danger of not winning at their leisure. The final was over after 25 minutes. We were only three or four points down very near the end of the first Super 8 game, yet it never seemed as if they were in any way troubled by what we were offering. Dublin could have beaten us by ten points, easily, if they'd been bothered. They knew it. We knew it. Same with Tyrone on Sunday, where the Dubs even engaged in a bit of keep-ball with more than 20 minutes left.

I disagree on splitting Dublin. Not saying it should definitely happen, but it absolutely should be on the table going forward. And yes, there has always been a structural player-base inequality to gaelic games, given the geographical/religious units around which it is organized, but does that mean that no steps can be taken anywhere? Teams have split and amalgamated below the county level many times. St. Joseph's were winning all ahead of them in Donegal back in the late 60s and 70s (even had success in Ulster, which no other Donegal senior club has done) before the county said enough is enough and split them back up into Aodh Rua and Bundoran. Similarly, albeit to less success so far, trophy-wise, Letterkenny Gaels were formed in the 90s to cater for the growing population of the town and offer an alternative outlet to Eunan's. No reason why a North Dublin/South Dublin set-up or the like couldn't at least be trialled if the current trend continues. Unless things have changed from the many years I lived in Dublin myself, there is already a healthy cultural rivalry there.

It was something I was never in favour off and said a few years ago lets see what happens over the next few years, roll forwards to 2018 and they've just won 4 in a row with team which has an average age of 25. T
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on September 08, 2018, 08:33:14 PM
The splitting of Dublin is now not just an idea or suggestion it's a absolute certainty. It's either split Dublin or amalgamate the non-pale teams into large provincial sides.

So the argument is to disrupt the history and cultural significance of one county team or do the same to countless county sides. It'll be a 31 v 1 vote and it's only going to go one way.

The problem is that the GAA is so conservative and stagnant it will dissuade itself from the pain of the nuclear option until it's far too late, with piecemeal actions up until then.

The GAA will wait until the game has died before they try and save it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2018, 08:41:57 PM
They have won their last 4 All Ireland's by 3 pts, 1pt (after replay), 1pt & 6 points. Not exactly blowing teams away in finals so I doubt you will see Dublin split.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmgOs-1W4AAoZm4.jpg:large)

coaching money breakdown
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 08, 2018, 10:42:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 08, 2018, 11:53:29 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 07, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2018, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 07, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
You should know well what GAA Ulster means.
But just in case you don't it's Donegal, Cavan,  Monaghan and the Nationalist population of the 6 Counties.

Sure why not just say Ulster then? Or does Dublin not have a bigger population than Ulster
Not everyone in Ulster is potentially a GAA head. There are a few Unionists apparently

I doubt everyone in Dublin is ta potential GAA head. Plenty of egg chasers and soccer types there

Not to mention the many in Dublin from other counties who could never bring themselves to support a Dublin team (some of whom are regular contributors to this forum).

..and who spawn little GAA mad Dublin rugrats when the time comes.. Christ, how do you drive if you're that cross-eyed?

Oh right, you have a world class public transport system so you don't need to.

The notion that Dublin has a world class public transport system is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Go to most other similarly-sized cities in the western world and you're going to be praising the efficiency and reliability of Dublin Bus..

I've lived in Manchester Liverpool and London. And no I won't be.

It would take someone like you to think Manchester and Dublin are similarly sized, let alone London. Chirst alive.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 08, 2018, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 08, 2018, 10:27:02 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmgOs-1W4AAoZm4.jpg:large)

coaching money breakdown
Nuff said.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2018, 12:13:19 AM
Well all that  money didn't stop Derry dropping To divs 4 in 3yrs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 09, 2018, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2018, 12:13:19 AM
Well all that  money didn't stop Derry dropping To divs 4 in 3yrs

"All that"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 09, 2018, 12:18:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2018, 12:13:19 AM
Well all that  money didn't stop Derry dropping To divs 4 in 3yrs

Or stop them getting to a League final.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 09, 2018, 04:06:36 AM
Well I'll just leave this here.

Dublin are role models for Irish life'
   
Saturday, September 08, 2018

By John Fogarty

Seven years ago three-time All-Ireland winner David Hickey, then a Dublin selector, told friends his county would become the first team to complete the illustrious five in a row. Undaunted by the defeats to Mayo and Donegal in 2012 and 2014 respectively, he repeated those claims as one of their team doctors two years ago. Now as a supporter, his joy is unbridled seeing the team on the cusp of that achievement.

"I'm not saying we are going to win for 10 years but I think Dublin are in a position now to compete in the last four for the next 10 years."

David Hickey, September 2011

"Mark my words, kiddo, we're gonna win five in a row."

David Hickey, April 2013

"I've seen them develop and from the very start, 2010 on, these guys were going to be around for a long time. I expected them to do the five in a row back then (2011) and in some ways they could have been going for six in a row now with a bit of luck. They are a special group of players."

David Hickey, August 2016
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On a sticky Dubai night last Sunday evening, Dr David Hickey took to a bar to watch his beloved Dublin take a step closer to his prophecy.

Dubai has been his home for the last couple of years. In June 2016, he performed the first successful organ transplant in the United Arab Emirates, helping an Emirati mother who had kidney failure due to diabetes.

World-renowned as a transplant surgeon, Hickey is enjoying the Middle East life as he did the Cuban one but this is not an interview about medicine. It's obviously about Dublin, his Dublin, but the GAA too.

Work precluded him from returning home for the final but then a lot of what is going on around him in Dubai echoes of Ireland. The proliferation of GAA clubs in the UAE thrills him.

"The GAA are the true Irish embassy abroad," he declares.

"There are 20,000 Irish here. The GAA clubs help people find jobs, help find them accommodation, help them settle and generate the community spirit.

"They do this around the world. The GAA could never be reimbursed by the Irish government for what they do for the young people who were forced to or chose to leave Ireland."

So when the GAA got it in the neck for not initially agreeing to host the Liam Miller charity game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, he was miffed. When he read of Government ministers leaning heavy on Croke Park to allow it to go ahead there, he was angry.

"That's f**king bullshit. If the GAA sent a bill to the Government for the amount of social work it does in Ireland and abroad, helping to keep kids out of jail, off drugs, whatever, the bill would far surpass that stadium in Cork."

With Hickey, it's not fury that colours his words but passion. As a lifesaver, his moral compass doesn't falter. His love of life is pretty unwavering too, particularly when his county are flying so high. Four days after the win over Tyrone, and he is still glowing.

"The pub was full of Tyrone people but at half-time they all left.

"They knew it was inevitable. Had Tyrone sustained what they showed in the first 15 minutes for 80 minutes, and Dublin kept playing the way they were playing, Tyrone might have had a chance.

"It was easy compared to the last few years.

"I think Dublin are unbeatable. You can play them anyway you want and they'll come up with a plan to counter you, beat you and they can do it on the field."

"They are very efficient sizing up a team themselves as the game is going on. They are totally impervious to any tactics like sledging or cynical stuff. They don't let that sort of shit get to them. It's a waste of time deploying that against them."

A message from Ollie Campbell after the game prolonged Hickey's grin.

"He texted me from the States to say that he felt like he was watching the All Blacks."

Hickey knows where the Ireland rugby great is coming from — and it's not just the sweeping the sheds policy the groups share (journalists can't forget Jack McCaffrey searching in vain for a brush before finding one to clean the team's Portlaoise dressing room against Carlow last year). Both are practising domination.

Last week, Mick O'Dwyer said comparing teams from different eras was impossible but mentioned that Dublin first had to emulate his Kerry team of 1978-81 before any analysis could be done.

For Hickey, there is no comparison.

"There can be no debate anymore — this Dublin team is the greatest team of all time. Kerry in 1980 played one match before an All-Ireland semi-final and the game before that All-Ireland semi-final wasn't up to much either. In three games, they were the All-Ireland champions. They didn't win too many leagues but this Dublin team have won virtually every game they have played.

"If there was a competition in Ballymac-whatever-it-is, these guys would turn out and put in their best performance. They never go out just to fulfil the fixture. They put on the Dublin jersey and transform into whatever you like. They bring every quality that a top-class sports team in any field bring." '

Keeping a Blue head' is an All Blacks term for clarity that would appeal to Dublin for obvious reasons. But then "Better People Make Better All Blacks" and "No Dickheads" would too.

Hickey can testify to that having seen the last two managers at work.

"Both Pat Gilroy and Jim Gavin deserve so much credit for recognising the human qualities in the players that are key reasons behind their success. These players are modest people, there is no showboating, there is no triumphalism and they are respectful of everyone from Carlow up to Kerry. They all get the same respect and when a team adopts that attitude, they are very hard to beat."

You can almost imagine his chest swelling as he speaks of his Raheny clubmen.

"They're sensational footballers and incredibly nice guys as well. They have everything. Brian Howard and Brian Fenton, they could play any sport they want and they would be world class in it but the fact is they decided to play football for Dublin. They're a pleasure to meet. You wouldn't know Fenton has never lost a championship game or has four All-Irelands if you met him on the street."

It's quite the departure from 16 years ago when the Dublin team aimed to make the most of its size and what made the capital different to the rest of the country as opposed to what made it better.

"Tommy Lyons brought a lot of bullshit into the thing with flair, humiliating the opposition, playing to the Hill. Pillar (Caffrey) tried to get rid of a bit of that but Pat Gilroy came in and he got rid of that all in one swoop and it has continued to this day under Jim.

"When they select fellas for the panel the character of the player is as important to them as their football ability. Football ability is not enough."

Ask Hickey about his grand pronunciations about how he envisaged the decade going for Dublin and all he does is remark that it was there for anyone in his position to see. The love he had for wearing the blue and navy was matched by the current group and it was complemented by the commitment.

"Playing for Dublin was the important thing in my life and I knew from the talent that was there they were going to win an All-Ireland and I wanted to be a part of it. And I got to know them better and suddenly I realised they were going to win a lot of All-Irelands.

"With a bit of luck, they'd have won in 2012 and '14 and could be going for eight in a row. In 2010, they were fairly unlucky against Cork. We were robbed against Mayo in 2012 and walked into a sucker punch against Donegal in 2014 but I tell you what, Jim Gavin and his backroom team learned from 2014 and the evolution of their football now is thanks to Donegal."



Who will be next to beat Dublin in Championship is quite the puzzler when so many seem to be coming up short too many times or in need of urgent repairs. Hickey's pick is a slightly surprising one.

"I was impressed by Kildare this year, not Kerry. They have some very good footballers and if they get their heads right — they've won a lot of underage stuff — they could be the biggest challengers to Dublin over the next five years. I like the way they play football, I always liked the way they play football — and I think they could be the biggest challenge.

"Second-rate teams don't have the interest and commitment (that Dublin) do.

"Mayo in many ways is a small place. Their players are everywhere from Galway to Dublin to home. They have had the balls to try and beat Dublin fair and square. At times, they were unfair but they had a plan to try and execute it. While I don't believe they were unlucky to lose any of those All-Irelands — in fact, I think they were lucky to have lost by as little as they did because Dublin were significantly better than them. Dean Rock's point last year was a blessing to Mayo because they would have been decimated in extra-time.

"If Donegal and Mayo can go and beat Dublin then there's no reason why Kerry or Cork can't do it but they need to be putting everything into it. It means the total cooperation of the county board, a group of players who get on well together and who'd live and die for each other on and off the field. That's what we have in Dublin and it shouldn't be damned into insignificance because of this and that."

What Hickey is getting at is the sniping at Dublin after this latest success and those of the previous three years because of their population and funding largesses. When he hears Colm O'Rourke beat the drum to split Dublin, he says O'Rourke look at what his own county can do to bridge the gap rather than haul Dublin back towards them.

"The thing about that whole attitude is these guys are winning because they're better than everyone else. It's a pity about the attitude to Dublin city. It is begrudgery. Colm could do something about it by getting more lads interesting in playing for Meath and doing what it takes to get to the top. Going to training at 6am, going back in the evening to do weights in the gym. Cancelling holidays. Cancelling girlfriends. Giving up alcohol, comfort food. This Dublin team have made the sacrifices.

"In the 1970s when we were going well, they got rid of the handpass because they wanted to reduce a strength of our team. They didn't do the same to anybody else.

"So now I would tell anyone thinking like that now to f**k off. Nobody spoke of splitting Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester United when they have been successful."

The son of a Doneraile man and a Knocklong woman, Hickey doesn't want to knock country people but he identifies a lot of begrudgery towards Dublin. The funding argument laid against Gavin's side he finds is tenuous when tradition is a big factor elsewhere and the distractions aren't as pronounced.

"There's probably more footballers in Kerry than in Dublin. There is nothing else but football in Kerry and nothing else but hurling in Kilkenny. In Dublin, there is soccer, rugby, basketball, hockey, baseball, dancing, swimming.

"That aside, there are 30 fellas there in the Dublin panel and Eoghan O'Gara would be on any other team in the country. He has been in and out of the Dublin team since 2010 and every time he comes in he makes an impact. He didn't get to play in the final this year and yet he would have turned up in the A versus B games as if his life depended on it. I can tell you the full-back line of Dublin benefitted immensely from Eoghan turning up and performing in those practice matches every Saturday afternoon.

"There's Kevin McManamon, Paul Flynn, Michael Darragh Macauley, Bernard Brogan... all these fellas didn't bitch or moan when they lost their spots. A new breed is there and settled into the team but there is such a culture of oneness.

"They are a model not just for sports teams but for business teams, for politicians, for everyone. They are role models for Irish life."

What would Kevin Heffernan think of it all?

"He'd be jealous he's not running it. He was happy enough with our team but he'd like to be Jim Gavin now. This didn't happen overnight. It took 16 years to win the first All-Ireland this decade and it went through a few set of hands like Pillar Caffrey's. Dublin went to the grassroots and they made Gaelic football accessible and they made Gaelic football attractive and they made it fair for young people, which soccer isn't.

"Soccer exploits young people, Gaelic football tries to develop them."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on September 09, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
A lovely humble guy
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on September 09, 2018, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 09, 2018, 04:06:36 AM
Well I'll just leave this here.

Dublin are role models for Irish life'
   
Saturday, September 08, 2018

By John Fogarty

Seven years ago three-time All-Ireland winner David Hickey, then a Dublin selector, told friends his county would become the first team to complete the illustrious five in a row. Undaunted by the defeats to Mayo and Donegal in 2012 and 2014 respectively, he repeated those claims as one of their team doctors two years ago. Now as a supporter, his joy is unbridled seeing the team on the cusp of that achievement.

"I'm not saying we are going to win for 10 years but I think Dublin are in a position now to compete in the last four for the next 10 years."

David Hickey, September 2011

"Mark my words, kiddo, we're gonna win five in a row."

David Hickey, April 2013

"I've seen them develop and from the very start, 2010 on, these guys were going to be around for a long time. I expected them to do the five in a row back then (2011) and in some ways they could have been going for six in a row now with a bit of luck. They are a special group of players."

David Hickey, August 2016
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On a sticky Dubai night last Sunday evening, Dr David Hickey took to a bar to watch his beloved Dublin take a step closer to his prophecy.

Dubai has been his home for the last couple of years. In June 2016, he performed the first successful organ transplant in the United Arab Emirates, helping an Emirati mother who had kidney failure due to diabetes.

World-renowned as a transplant surgeon, Hickey is enjoying the Middle East life as he did the Cuban one but this is not an interview about medicine. It's obviously about Dublin, his Dublin, but the GAA too.

Work precluded him from returning home for the final but then a lot of what is going on around him in Dubai echoes of Ireland. The proliferation of GAA clubs in the UAE thrills him.

"The GAA are the true Irish embassy abroad," he declares.

"There are 20,000 Irish here. The GAA clubs help people find jobs, help find them accommodation, help them settle and generate the community spirit.

"They do this around the world. The GAA could never be reimbursed by the Irish government for what they do for the young people who were forced to or chose to leave Ireland."

So when the GAA got it in the neck for not initially agreeing to host the Liam Miller charity game in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, he was miffed. When he read of Government ministers leaning heavy on Croke Park to allow it to go ahead there, he was angry.

"That's f**king bullshit. If the GAA sent a bill to the Government for the amount of social work it does in Ireland and abroad, helping to keep kids out of jail, off drugs, whatever, the bill would far surpass that stadium in Cork."

With Hickey, it's not fury that colours his words but passion. As a lifesaver, his moral compass doesn't falter. His love of life is pretty unwavering too, particularly when his county are flying so high. Four days after the win over Tyrone, and he is still glowing.

"The pub was full of Tyrone people but at half-time they all left.

"They knew it was inevitable. Had Tyrone sustained what they showed in the first 15 minutes for 80 minutes, and Dublin kept playing the way they were playing, Tyrone might have had a chance.

"It was easy compared to the last few years.

"I think Dublin are unbeatable. You can play them anyway you want and they'll come up with a plan to counter you, beat you and they can do it on the field."

"They are very efficient sizing up a team themselves as the game is going on. They are totally impervious to any tactics like sledging or cynical stuff. They don't let that sort of shit get to them. It's a waste of time deploying that against them."

A message from Ollie Campbell after the game prolonged Hickey's grin.

"He texted me from the States to say that he felt like he was watching the All Blacks."

Hickey knows where the Ireland rugby great is coming from — and it's not just the sweeping the sheds policy the groups share (journalists can't forget Jack McCaffrey searching in vain for a brush before finding one to clean the team's Portlaoise dressing room against Carlow last year). Both are practising domination.

Last week, Mick O'Dwyer said comparing teams from different eras was impossible but mentioned that Dublin first had to emulate his Kerry team of 1978-81 before any analysis could be done.

For Hickey, there is no comparison.

"There can be no debate anymore — this Dublin team is the greatest team of all time. Kerry in 1980 played one match before an All-Ireland semi-final and the game before that All-Ireland semi-final wasn't up to much either. In three games, they were the All-Ireland champions. They didn't win too many leagues but this Dublin team have won virtually every game they have played.

"If there was a competition in Ballymac-whatever-it-is, these guys would turn out and put in their best performance. They never go out just to fulfil the fixture. They put on the Dublin jersey and transform into whatever you like. They bring every quality that a top-class sports team in any field bring." '

Keeping a Blue head' is an All Blacks term for clarity that would appeal to Dublin for obvious reasons. But then "Better People Make Better All Blacks" and "No d**kheads" would too.

Hickey can testify to that having seen the last two managers at work.

"Both Pat Gilroy and Jim Gavin deserve so much credit for recognising the human qualities in the players that are key reasons behind their success. These players are modest people, there is no showboating, there is no triumphalism and they are respectful of everyone from Carlow up to Kerry. They all get the same respect and when a team adopts that attitude, they are very hard to beat."

You can almost imagine his chest swelling as he speaks of his Raheny clubmen.

"They're sensational footballers and incredibly nice guys as well. They have everything. Brian Howard and Brian Fenton, they could play any sport they want and they would be world class in it but the fact is they decided to play football for Dublin. They're a pleasure to meet. You wouldn't know Fenton has never lost a championship game or has four All-Irelands if you met him on the street."

It's quite the departure from 16 years ago when the Dublin team aimed to make the most of its size and what made the capital different to the rest of the country as opposed to what made it better.

"Tommy Lyons brought a lot of bullshit into the thing with flair, humiliating the opposition, playing to the Hill. Pillar (Caffrey) tried to get rid of a bit of that but Pat Gilroy came in and he got rid of that all in one swoop and it has continued to this day under Jim.

"When they select fellas for the panel the character of the player is as important to them as their football ability. Football ability is not enough."

Ask Hickey about his grand pronunciations about how he envisaged the decade going for Dublin and all he does is remark that it was there for anyone in his position to see. The love he had for wearing the blue and navy was matched by the current group and it was complemented by the commitment.

"Playing for Dublin was the important thing in my life and I knew from the talent that was there they were going to win an All-Ireland and I wanted to be a part of it. And I got to know them better and suddenly I realised they were going to win a lot of All-Irelands.

"With a bit of luck, they'd have won in 2012 and '14 and could be going for eight in a row. In 2010, they were fairly unlucky against Cork. We were robbed against Mayo in 2012 and walked into a sucker punch against Donegal in 2014 but I tell you what, Jim Gavin and his backroom team learned from 2014 and the evolution of their football now is thanks to Donegal."



Who will be next to beat Dublin in Championship is quite the puzzler when so many seem to be coming up short too many times or in need of urgent repairs. Hickey's pick is a slightly surprising one.

"I was impressed by Kildare this year, not Kerry. They have some very good footballers and if they get their heads right — they've won a lot of underage stuff — they could be the biggest challengers to Dublin over the next five years. I like the way they play football, I always liked the way they play football — and I think they could be the biggest challenge.

"Second-rate teams don't have the interest and commitment (that Dublin) do.

"Mayo in many ways is a small place. Their players are everywhere from Galway to Dublin to home. They have had the balls to try and beat Dublin fair and square. At times, they were unfair but they had a plan to try and execute it. While I don't believe they were unlucky to lose any of those All-Irelands — in fact, I think they were lucky to have lost by as little as they did because Dublin were significantly better than them. Dean Rock's point last year was a blessing to Mayo because they would have been decimated in extra-time.

"If Donegal and Mayo can go and beat Dublin then there's no reason why Kerry or Cork can't do it but they need to be putting everything into it. It means the total cooperation of the county board, a group of players who get on well together and who'd live and die for each other on and off the field. That's what we have in Dublin and it shouldn't be damned into insignificance because of this and that."

What Hickey is getting at is the sniping at Dublin after this latest success and those of the previous three years because of their population and funding largesses. When he hears Colm O'Rourke beat the drum to split Dublin, he says O'Rourke look at what his own county can do to bridge the gap rather than haul Dublin back towards them.

"The thing about that whole attitude is these guys are winning because they're better than everyone else. It's a pity about the attitude to Dublin city. It is begrudgery. Colm could do something about it by getting more lads interesting in playing for Meath and doing what it takes to get to the top. Going to training at 6am, going back in the evening to do weights in the gym. Cancelling holidays. Cancelling girlfriends. Giving up alcohol, comfort food. This Dublin team have made the sacrifices.

"In the 1970s when we were going well, they got rid of the handpass because they wanted to reduce a strength of our team. They didn't do the same to anybody else.

"So now I would tell anyone thinking like that now to f**k off. Nobody spoke of splitting Barcelona, Real Madrid or Manchester United when they have been successful."

The son of a Doneraile man and a Knocklong woman, Hickey doesn't want to knock country people but he identifies a lot of begrudgery towards Dublin. The funding argument laid against Gavin's side he finds is tenuous when tradition is a big factor elsewhere and the distractions aren't as pronounced.

"There's probably more footballers in Kerry than in Dublin. There is nothing else but football in Kerry and nothing else but hurling in Kilkenny. In Dublin, there is soccer, rugby, basketball, hockey, baseball, dancing, swimming.

"That aside, there are 30 fellas there in the Dublin panel and Eoghan O'Gara would be on any other team in the country. He has been in and out of the Dublin team since 2010 and every time he comes in he makes an impact. He didn't get to play in the final this year and yet he would have turned up in the A versus B games as if his life depended on it. I can tell you the full-back line of Dublin benefitted immensely from Eoghan turning up and performing in those practice matches every Saturday afternoon.

"There's Kevin McManamon, Paul Flynn, Michael Darragh Macauley, Bernard Brogan... all these fellas didn't bitch or moan when they lost their spots. A new breed is there and settled into the team but there is such a culture of oneness.

"They are a model not just for sports teams but for business teams, for politicians, for everyone. They are role models for Irish life."

What would Kevin Heffernan think of it all?

"He'd be jealous he's not running it. He was happy enough with our team but he'd like to be Jim Gavin now. This didn't happen overnight. It took 16 years to win the first All-Ireland this decade and it went through a few set of hands like Pillar Caffrey's. Dublin went to the grassroots and they made Gaelic football accessible and they made Gaelic football attractive and they made it fair for young people, which soccer isn't.

"Soccer exploits young people, Gaelic football tries to develop them."

Great interview. That humility of gavin and the dubs players is why most neutrals were delighted to see them stuff tyrone in this years final. They are a real down to earth group who come across really well in their post match interviews.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 09, 2018, 08:59:44 AM
Where are those figures from?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 09, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 09, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
What's that about getting rid of the handpass in the 1970s????
I could have sworn it's still ruining the game!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 09, 2018, 10:34:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
What's that about getting rid of the handpass in the 1970s????
I could have sworn it's still ruining the game!

The Handpass goal was got rid of in the '70's because Mick O'Dwyer found a player call Eoin 'Bomber' Liston who could catch 90% of balls kicked into the full forward line - all he had to do was turn around and ''Throw'' (for want of a better word) the ball into the goal.

If anything the rule was brought in to give Dublin a chance to beat Kerry!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 09, 2018, 10:51:21 AM
As for the David Hickey article. It's written by a former player, a Dub, and a fan. He's a happy camper. He does not care by what means Dublin are dominating Football. If he does know he's not going to tell a National paper or even acknowledge it. I don't know why this was put in this stream as it gives little or no back up to Dublins success in relation to how money is making a difference.

It's just an article cheer leading to the Dublin fan. An article to sell papers in the Capital.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 09, 2018, 10:55:07 AM
Yep

Connolly and Cooper
Great role models there
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on September 09, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 09, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .

He was selector under Pat Gilroy and stayed on as team doctor under Jim Gavin. Think he was involved until 2014. Don't think his health is the best. Was a great interview with him in Sunday Independent the time of 2015 final.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 09, 2018, 11:28:11 AM
Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2018, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 09, 2018, 10:51:21 AM
As for the David Hickey article. It's written by a former player, a Dub, and a fan. He's a happy camper. He does not care by what means Dublin are dominating Football. If he does know he's not going to tell a National paper or even acknowledge it. I don't know why this was put in this stream as it gives little or no back up to Dublins success in relation to how money is making a difference.

It's just an article cheer leading to the Dublin fan. An article to sell papers in the Capital.

As ballinaman said, Dubs won't give a shit so long as they're winning 17 out of every 20 championships.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 01:32:30 PM
Pretty sure he was there with them until 2016 at least .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 09, 2018, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 09, 2018, 11:28:11 AM
Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.

The Dublin PR machine is gone into overdrive bringing out all sorts on Twitter. He is getting awful abuse, his position has become entrenched but he still tries to engage. For his own well being he should step away, recharge his batteries, this is only going to escalate as Dublin have commissioned the hypocrite Brolly to write a piece.

The worst bit of guff was from Eamon McGee, some lads should be allowed near a phone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Blowitupref on September 09, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
What's that about getting rid of the handpass in the 1970s????
I could have sworn it's still ruining the game!

I read that Dublin last Sunday had 244 passes against Tyrone with only 54 of them were kickpasses. Between the two teams they only had 10 contestable balls kicked out around the middle in the entire game. A very different and more cautious game now from the one most of us grew up watching. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 09, 2018, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 09, 2018, 11:28:11 AM
Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.

The Dublin PR machine is gone into overdrive bringing out all sorts on Twitter. He is getting awful abuse, his position has become entrenched but he still tries to engage. For his own well being he should step away, recharge his batteries, this is only going to escalate as Dublin have commissioned the hypocrite Brolly to write a piece.

The worst bit of guff was from Eamon McGee, some lads should be allowed near a phone.

The Dublin PR machine is all very defensive mode . Does make you wonder is it all sitting well with them at all.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 09, 2018, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 09, 2018, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 09, 2018, 11:28:11 AM
Ewan's latest stuff on twitter is... interesting.
Think he needs to take a break for a bit.

The Dublin PR machine is gone into overdrive bringing out all sorts on Twitter. He is getting awful abuse, his position has become entrenched but he still tries to engage. For his own well being he should step away, recharge his batteries, this is only going to escalate as Dublin have commissioned the hypocrite Brolly to write a piece.

The worst bit of guff was from Eamon McGee, some lads should be allowed near a phone.
Ewan is only discrediting his own argument with the guff he's written on Twitter recently.

He's gone full Gemma O'Doherty.

Ranting sarcastically about genetics and liking a tweet which implied that Jonny Cooper was to blame for being stabbed is really weird.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 09, 2018, 02:47:26 PM
He is two ends of a bollix but it doesn't mean he's always wrong.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2018, 03:21:38 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 09, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .

What do you know about David Hickey?  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2018, 03:21:38 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 09, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .

What do you know about David Hickey?  ::) ::) ::)

A little more than you might think .  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 09, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
Did he treat your multiple personality disorder Larryin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
Did he treat your multiple personality disorder Larryin.

Think I'll have to put you on ignore you're really getting out of hand now.  You're very outspoken on the internet .

Just to clarify I just happen to know of the chap as my son is friends with his son . 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 09, 2018, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
Did he treat your multiple personality disorder Larryin.

Think I'll have to put you on ignore you're really getting out of hand now.  You're very outspoken on the internet .

Just to clarify I just happen to know of the chap as my son is friends with his son .

You'll have a lot of accounts to add me to the ignore list on so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: naka on September 09, 2018, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 09, 2018, 12:13:19 AM
Well all that  money didn't stop Derry dropping To divs 4 in 3yrs
Tbf there is a lot of good work being done in Derry city, ( historically a soccer city)which has to be credited. Hopefully it assists the oak leaf county in future years.
What I find scandalous is the gap between cork and Dublin.
As an aside was at the final this year,  couldn't believe how easy it was to get tickets , Dublin's domination is killing the game because a fair few weren't interested in paying 80 euros to watch a forgone conclusion.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thebackbar1 on September 09, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
imho some of the articles attributing Dublins success to money are naive and by and large insulting to Jim Gavin and his players.

Obviously having croke park in there back garden is an advantage as is having fairly easy matches in the opening round of lenister. However in time Jim Gavin will be seen as the greatest manager of all.

* How he has managed to keep this team motivated is incredible, you see plenty of teams full of stars but with no motivation.
* The discipline of his players in every regard is amazing, they very rarely drop their discipline
* The players always look to pass the ball to a player in a better position, very rarely do they take stupid shots.

Money can buy you a lot of things, but none of the above.

Its time for the other counties to get organised, honestly is your county doing its level best to beat Dublin ? its hard to see any county that is totally focused on doing whatever it can to dethrone the Dubs.

I don't have a problem with the GAA area investing in densely populated areas, but i do have a problem with the fact that they only invested in urban areas in Dublin. It was a really poor decision.

The investment in Dublin has and will increase the numbers playing the game in Dublin, the bottom of the pyramid is getting much bigger, and more talent will rise to the top. Fundamentally more talented players will start appearing who are willing to give the dedication and commitment required for intercounty football.

We need to find a solution, I don't agree with the idea of splitting Dublin. My big wish is that in twenty years time the club game is stronger in every county in ireland and abroad, however the intercounty game is in crisis in football. Whats the solution ? I think Pat Gilroys idea of restoring the focus to the club game makes perfect sense.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-dropout-rate-in-gaelic-games-is-in-my-opinion-a-national-disgrace-35424042.html


Fundamentally we need the GAA thriving in Dublin, but we need to keep the game of interest outside of Dublin. At the moment our only hope is that Jim Gavin will retire

Its up to ordinary GAA members to step forward, as Croke does not have the leadership to do this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 09, 2018, 08:45:51 PM
Those Laythrum really need to work harder and their sponsors need to match Dublin's.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 09, 2018, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 09, 2018, 08:45:51 PM
Those Laythrum really need to work harder and their sponsors need to match Dublin's.

Yes I'm sure if the Leitrim CB got off their arses they'd be winning all Ireland s in a few years time.

All the responses to the unfair advantages are getting tiresome , for crikeys sake can't ye just try and be honest.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 10, 2018, 09:24:55 AM
How is he a coward?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2018, 02:47:26 PM
He is two ends of a bollix but it doesn't mean he's always wrong.

He doesn't do himself any favours and seems to take everything too far but as you state he's not always wrong.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
Quote* How he has managed to keep this team motivated is incredible, you see plenty of teams full of stars but with no motivation.
* The discipline of his players in every regard is amazing, they very rarely drop their discipline
* The players always look to pass the ball to a player in a better position, very rarely do they take stupid shots.

Money can buy you a lot of things, but none of the above.

Professional sports psychologists are paid with MONEY, they work on motivation and discipline.
Dublin have engaged basketball coaches including Mark Ingle, I doubt they do this for free. Guess what basketball coaches work on, movement and creating opportunity for the shot, funny enough they don't encourage stupid shots.

Sports science/coaching is a billion dollar industry, people seem to have this romantic notion that coaching is throwing a bag of balls over your shoulder, picking a team, lay out some cones, a bit of shouting and roaring and away you go.

I am imagine Dublin's analysis software license costs are astronomical alone, and guess what, spending money on analysis helps coaches and players particularly in decision making. MONEY makes a massive difference to the above. Sick of fan boys at this stage.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on September 10, 2018, 11:14:52 AM
Arguing with Dublin supporters is like arguing with Brexiteers, they just keep repeating the dogma over and over again
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said

I have made dozens of contributions to arguments on this thread and others threads. I am open to reason and logic. I am open to it but some people on here its a one track mind in relation to the Dubs. A lot of it is snearing and oh the Dublin PR machine etc etc. Like Alan Brogan first hand knowledge of playing for Dublin for 14 years is just thrown out the window.

Can we discuss the Limerick privately funded undisclosed money from one of Irelands richest men?

Limerick were the only county to contact the county board in relation to what they were doing and how they were doing it, over the last number of years Limerick has incredible increase in participation in our games.

Can we discuss the millions of GBP pumped into Ulster GAA since the good Friday agreement?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thebackbar1 on September 10, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
Quote* How he has managed to keep this team motivated is incredible, you see plenty of teams full of stars but with no motivation.
* The discipline of his players in every regard is amazing, they very rarely drop their discipline
* The players always look to pass the ball to a player in a better position, very rarely do they take stupid shots.

Money can buy you a lot of things, but none of the above.

Professional sports psychologists are paid with MONEY, they work on motivation and discipline.
Dublin have engaged basketball coaches including Mark Ingle, I doubt they do this for free. Guess what basketball coaches work on, movement and creating opportunity for the shot, funny enough they don't encourage stupid shots.

Sports science/coaching is a billion dollar industry, people seem to have this romantic notion that coaching is throwing a bag of balls over your shoulder, picking a team, lay out some cones, a bit of shouting and roaring and away you go.

I am imagine Dublin's analysis software license costs are astronomical alone, and guess what, spending money on analysis helps coaches and players particularly in decision making. MONEY makes a massive difference to the above. Sick of fan boys at this stage.
Every team is limited to the amount of training they can do per week, its not as though you can employ 100 sports psychologists and coaches if you have unlimited resources, also having 100 sports psychologists wouldn't work, you need to have one person directing that area of coaching to avoid mixed messages.

There is only so much money a coach can demand in pay too. How many sessions did Mark Ingle do with Dublin ? how much money do you think he got for them ?

The analysis software is only as good as the analyst using the software, and i would be surprised if all counties weren't' using the same package ! or have the dubs custom software for doing gaa analysis ? In fairness to Ray Boyne the ex dublin analysis chief he has been open about his work.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said

I have made dozens of contributions to arguments on this thread and others threads. I am open to reason and logic. I am open to it but some people on here its a one track mind in relation to the Dubs. A lot of it is snearing and oh the Dublin PR machine etc etc. Like Alan Brogan first hand knowledge of playing for Dublin for 14 years is just thrown out the window.

Can we discuss the Limerick privately funded undisclosed money from one of Irelands richest men?

Limerick were the only county to contact the county board in relation to what they were doing and how they were doing it, over the last number of years Limerick has incredible increase in participation in our games.

Can we discuss the millions of GBP pumped into Ulster GAA since the good Friday agreement?

Alan Brogan et al, is Dublin PR at it's finest orchestrated BS.

What's there to discuss about Limerick, it just adds weight to the argument money makes a difference, similar with UK sports investment. So participation has increased incredibly Limerick, has it in Dublin?

The issue with a lot people is simply not the investment but it's the GAA doing the investment, it's a governing body pump millions into one entity in an unequal manner. Married to playing at home it's a governing body giving one county disproportionate advantages over every other county. The integrity of sporting competition and fairness is completely compromised.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 10, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
Quote* How he has managed to keep this team motivated is incredible, you see plenty of teams full of stars but with no motivation.
* The discipline of his players in every regard is amazing, they very rarely drop their discipline
* The players always look to pass the ball to a player in a better position, very rarely do they take stupid shots.

Money can buy you a lot of things, but none of the above.

Professional sports psychologists are paid with MONEY, they work on motivation and discipline.
Dublin have engaged basketball coaches including Mark Ingle, I doubt they do this for free. Guess what basketball coaches work on, movement and creating opportunity for the shot, funny enough they don't encourage stupid shots.

Sports science/coaching is a billion dollar industry, people seem to have this romantic notion that coaching is throwing a bag of balls over your shoulder, picking a team, lay out some cones, a bit of shouting and roaring and away you go.

I am imagine Dublin's analysis software license costs are astronomical alone, and guess what, spending money on analysis helps coaches and players particularly in decision making. MONEY makes a massive difference to the above. Sick of fan boys at this stage.
Every team is limited to the amount of training they can do per week, its not as though you can employ 100 sports psychologists and coaches if you have unlimited resources, also having 100 sports psychologists wouldn't work, you need to have one person directing that area of coaching to avoid mixed messages.

There is only so much money a coach can demand in pay too. How many sessions did Mark Ingle do with Dublin ? how much money do you think he got for them ?

The analysis software is only as good as the analyst using the software, and i would be surprised if all counties weren't' using the same package ! or have the dubs custom software for doing gaa analysis ? In fairness to Ray Boyne the ex dublin analysis chief he has been open about his work.

So you now agree, money can make a difference?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said

I have made dozens of contributions to arguments on this thread and others threads. I am open to reason and logic. I am open to it but some people on here its a one track mind in relation to the Dubs. A lot of it is snearing and oh the Dublin PR machine etc etc. Like Alan Brogan first hand knowledge of playing for Dublin for 14 years is just thrown out the window.

Can we discuss the Limerick privately funded undisclosed money from one of Irelands richest men?

Limerick were the only county to contact the county board in relation to what they were doing and how they were doing it, over the last number of years Limerick has incredible increase in participation in our games.

Can we discuss the millions of GBP pumped into Ulster GAA since the good Friday agreement?

Alan Brogan et al, is Dublin PR at it's finest orchestrated BS.

What's there to discuss about Limerick, it just adds weight to the argument money makes a difference, similar with UK sports investment. So participation has increased incredibly Limerick, has it in Dublin?

The issue with a lot people is simply not the investment but it's the GAA doing the investment, it's a governing body pump millions into one entity in an unequal manner. Married to playing at home it's a governing body giving one county disproportionate advantages over every other county. The integrity of sporting competition and fairness is completely compromised.

Breakdown Alan Brogans argument and tell me which parts you feel are bullshit and untrue, or are you just generalising that all articles against your argument are PR bullshit?

That's what I meant, Limerick, Dublin underage participation.

I understand the above, however but that money is not going to the senior footballers, they are not premier league footballers. A journalist last week said Dublin players partners get match day expenses which is a complete and utter lie, that journalist got that confirmed a spoof live on radio and has not retracted the statement, its stuff like that I am not talking about.

Dublin get more money than anyone else is because of the bigger population pool ( don't respond back with per registered player argument) etc, that's nonsense. Does it need to be divided up more yes, but not at Dublins expense IMO.

Dublin need to moved out of Croke Park more, agree, I think all Dubs would prefer to move out of Croker.

Cant do anything with the population argument, its always been there, Dublin senior football pool realistically is adult leagues 1 -4, not the entire population.

The team will not split into 2 or 4.

Anyway there is no getting through to some of you on the logic. 82 Pages at this stage. 






Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: westbound on September 10, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said

I have made dozens of contributions to arguments on this thread and others threads. I am open to reason and logic. I am open to it but some people on here its a one track mind in relation to the Dubs. A lot of it is snearing and oh the Dublin PR machine etc etc. Like Alan Brogan first hand knowledge of playing for Dublin for 14 years is just thrown out the window.

Can we discuss the Limerick privately funded undisclosed money from one of Irelands richest men?

Limerick were the only county to contact the county board in relation to what they were doing and how they were doing it, over the last number of years Limerick has incredible increase in participation in our games.

Can we discuss the millions of GBP pumped into Ulster GAA since the good Friday agreement?

Alan Brogan et al, is Dublin PR at it's finest orchestrated BS.

What's there to discuss about Limerick, it just adds weight to the argument money makes a difference, similar with UK sports investment. So participation has increased incredibly Limerick, has it in Dublin?

The issue with a lot people is simply not the investment but it's the GAA doing the investment, it's a governing body pump millions into one entity in an unequal manner. Married to playing at home it's a governing body giving one county disproportionate advantages over every other county. The integrity of sporting competition and fairness is completely compromised.

Breakdown Alan Brogans argument and tell me which parts you feel are bullshit and untrue, or are you just generalising that all articles against your argument are PR bullshit?

That's what I meant, Limerick, Dublin underage participation.

I understand the above, however but that money is not going to the senior footballers, they are not premier league footballers. A journalist last week said Dublin players partners get match day expenses which is a complete and utter lie, that journalist got that confirmed a spoof live on radio and has not retracted the statement, its stuff like that I am not talking about.

Dublin get more money than anyone else is because of the bigger population pool ( don't respond back with per registered player argument) etc, that's nonsense. Does it need to be divided up more yes, but not at Dublins expense IMO.

Dublin need to moved out of Croke Park more, agree, I think all Dubs would prefer to move out of Croker.

Cant do anything with the population argument, its always been there, Dublin senior football pool realistically is adult leagues 1 -4, not the entire population.

The team will not split into 2 or 4.

Anyway there is no getting through to some of you on the logic. 82 Pages at this stage.

I've seen you mention this a few times. What exactly is your point?

Most counties don't have 1 adult division as strong as adult leagues 1-4 in dublin. Most counties have 1 senior division, 1 intermediate and 1-2 (maybe 3 in some cases) junior divisions.
That's a huge advantage dublin have, so I don't really see the point you are making.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said

I have made dozens of contributions to arguments on this thread and others threads. I am open to reason and logic. I am open to it but some people on here its a one track mind in relation to the Dubs. A lot of it is snearing and oh the Dublin PR machine etc etc. Like Alan Brogan first hand knowledge of playing for Dublin for 14 years is just thrown out the window.

Can we discuss the Limerick privately funded undisclosed money from one of Irelands richest men?

Limerick were the only county to contact the county board in relation to what they were doing and how they were doing it, over the last number of years Limerick has incredible increase in participation in our games.

Can we discuss the millions of GBP pumped into Ulster GAA since the good Friday agreement?

Alan Brogan et al, is Dublin PR at it's finest orchestrated BS.

What's there to discuss about Limerick, it just adds weight to the argument money makes a difference, similar with UK sports investment. So participation has increased incredibly Limerick, has it in Dublin?

The issue with a lot people is simply not the investment but it's the GAA doing the investment, it's a governing body pump millions into one entity in an unequal manner. Married to playing at home it's a governing body giving one county disproportionate advantages over every other county. The integrity of sporting competition and fairness is completely compromised.

Breakdown Alan Brogans argument and tell me which parts you feel are bullshit and untrue, or are you just generalising that all articles against your argument are PR bullshit?

What that Dublin footballers work harder than everyone else, that's his opinion not fact. A BS one at that, unless he has GPS data from every squad in the country, so he can make an informed opinion.

His Daddy thought him to kick with both feet, I teach my young fella to kick with both, this isn't some revolutionary approach confined to Dublin. It's a complete PR piece.




That's what I meant, Limerick, Dublin underage participation.

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate.


I understand the above, however but that money is not going to the senior footballers, they are not premier league footballers. A journalist last week said Dublin players partners get match day expenses which is a complete and utter lie, that journalist got that confirmed a spoof live on radio and has not retracted the statement, its stuff like that I am not talking about.

Dublin get more money than anyone else is because of the bigger population pool ( don't respond back with per registered player argument) etc, that's nonsense. Does it need to be divided up more yes, but not at Dublins expense IMO.

They get the funding of a province! A 4 county province is the next step. Dubs whinge that Dublin's population is diverse and have multiple sporting interests yet you still want the funding to match that population, what is it?

Dublin need to moved out of Croke Park more, agree, I think all Dubs would prefer to move out of Croker.

Cant do anything with the population argument, its always been there, Dublin senior football pool realistically is adult leagues 1 -4, not the entire population.

But you still want the funding of a larger population, what is it?

The team will not split into 2 or 4.

Anyway there is no getting through to some of you on the logic. 82 Pages at this stage.

What insightful logic  are bringing?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 10, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/comment-dublin-shouldnt-concern-themselves-with-the-joyless-dismal-illinformed-criticism-aimed-at-them-37300336.html

"beautiful Sky Blue symphony, a soaring aria that drowns out the jackhammer drone of the miserable mob.".   


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
Some of the comments on here are hilarious, smacks of jealousy, Hatred and small town syndrome.

As for Spewan Mc Crackpot, he's moved onto Serena Williams now arguing with American teenagers. His tweeting to Marty Morrissey and Des Cahill which he removed were dreadfully disrespectful.

Think the Indo need to have a think about his employment, he's a bully and a coward.
instead of dealing with the issue you attack the posters and journos

enough said

I have made dozens of contributions to arguments on this thread and others threads. I am open to reason and logic. I am open to it but some people on here its a one track mind in relation to the Dubs. A lot of it is snearing and oh the Dublin PR machine etc etc. Like Alan Brogan first hand knowledge of playing for Dublin for 14 years is just thrown out the window.

Can we discuss the Limerick privately funded undisclosed money from one of Irelands richest men?

Limerick were the only county to contact the county board in relation to what they were doing and how they were doing it, over the last number of years Limerick has incredible increase in participation in our games.

Can we discuss the millions of GBP pumped into Ulster GAA since the good Friday agreement?

Alan Brogan et al, is Dublin PR at it's finest orchestrated BS.

What's there to discuss about Limerick, it just adds weight to the argument money makes a difference, similar with UK sports investment. So participation has increased incredibly Limerick, has it in Dublin?

The issue with a lot people is simply not the investment but it's the GAA doing the investment, it's a governing body pump millions into one entity in an unequal manner. Married to playing at home it's a governing body giving one county disproportionate advantages over every other county. The integrity of sporting competition and fairness is completely compromised.

Breakdown Alan Brogans argument and tell me which parts you feel are bullshit and untrue, or are you just generalising that all articles against your argument are PR bullshit?

What that Dublin footballers work harder than everyone else, that's his opinion not fact. A BS one at that, unless he has GPS data from every squad in the country, so he can make an informed opinion.

His Daddy thought him to kick with both feet, I teach my young fella to kick with both, this isn't some revolutionary approach confined to Dublin. It's a complete PR piece.




That's what I meant, Limerick, Dublin underage participation.

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate.


I understand the above, however but that money is not going to the senior footballers, they are not premier league footballers. A journalist last week said Dublin players partners get match day expenses which is a complete and utter lie, that journalist got that confirmed a spoof live on radio and has not retracted the statement, its stuff like that I am not talking about.

Dublin get more money than anyone else is because of the bigger population pool ( don't respond back with per registered player argument) etc, that's nonsense. Does it need to be divided up more yes, but not at Dublins expense IMO.


Dublin need to moved out of Croke Park more, agree, I think all Dubs would prefer to move out of Croker.They get the funding of a province! A 4 county province is the next step. Dubs whinge that Dublin's population is diverse and have multiple sporting interests yet you still want the funding to match that population, what is it?


Cant do anything with the population argument, its always been there, Dublin senior football pool realistically is adult leagues 1 -4, not the entire population.

But you still want the funding of a larger population, what is it?

The team will not split into 2 or 4.

Anyway there is no getting through to some of you on the logic. 82 Pages at this stage.

What insightful logic  are bringing?



That's hard to read, plus you across as a bit of a Ewan.

What that Dublin footballers work harder than everyone else, that's his opinion not fact. A BS one at that, unless he has GPS data from every squad in the country, so he can make an informed opinion.

His Daddy thought him to kick with both feet, I teach my young fella to kick with both, this isn't some revolutionary approach confined to Dublin. It's a complete PR piece.


that's only a snippet of his article, What he saying is playing/ training with his dad from a young age helped him into the footballer he was, no money related. Its a fair comment, probably some natural footballing talent passed down too. Plus their auld one is from Kerry, Yerra.

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate.

Don't have it to hand , but Limericks was published in the indo last week or week before.

They get the funding of a province! A 4 county province is the next step. Dubs whinge that Dublin's population is diverse and have multiple sporting interests yet you still want the funding to match that population, what is it?


Correct on both fronts, it goes to coaching children and schools were not all kids are registered GAA players with clubs. Its trying to be all inclusive and attract the kids to GAA over other sports and give them a chance to participate in it

But you still want the funding of a larger population, what is it?

that's the senior football pool, Dublin has many many other aspects to it  than just senior football. Not to mention the actual other sport called hurling.

Thank you for your insightful input.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 10, 2018, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 10, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/comment-dublin-shouldnt-concern-themselves-with-the-joyless-dismal-illinformed-criticism-aimed-at-them-37300336.html

"beautiful Sky Blue symphony, a soaring aria that drowns out the jackhammer drone of the miserable mob.".

Beautifully written and 100% accurate  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:12:38 PM
Good article by Dermot Crowe here.

All the anti-Dublin zealots are missing at this stage are the chants of "Lock! Them! Up!"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate. [/b]


Quotehttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html

With the help of State funding the GAA's market share has increased impressively in the capital. The cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent. Could any of this have been seen as a sure thing, a no-brainer? Not that long ago, carrying a hurl in many parts of Dublin might mark you out as a bit odd, and almost certainly from the country. It is a different place now. That is the real story of the investment in Dublin and there are many more like it untold.

Absolutely brilliant to see such growth in youth participation rates.

But this is clearly a bad thing in some people's eyes.

Those people are miserable cranks.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 10, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
Incredible to think , no new clubs created by the DCB though despite all the grants received
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 10, 2018, 02:32:46 PM
QuoteIncredible to think , no new clubs created by the DCB though despite all the grants received


...bar the kingpins of division 11 south, Shankill, yet to win a game and more than likely the worst adult mens team in Ireland, good craic though. In one match the ref had to stop the game to instruct the corner back from Shankill to remove his shades.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: LeoMc on September 10, 2018, 02:33:26 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 10, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
Incredible to think , no new clubs created by the DCB though despite all the grants received
And how would they do that?

Take one of the bigger clubs and split them, tell them they cannot pick from a particular area any more?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate. [/b]


Quotehttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html

With the help of State funding the GAA's market share has increased impressively in the capital. The cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent. Could any of this have been seen as a sure thing, a no-brainer? Not that long ago, carrying a hurl in many parts of Dublin might mark you out as a bit odd, and almost certainly from the country. It is a different place now. That is the real story of the investment in Dublin and there are many more like it untold.

Absolutely brilliant to see such growth in youth participation rates.

But this is clearly a bad thing in some people's eyes.

Those people are miserable cranks.

QuoteThe cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent

Would like to see a source, is this growth in clubs or growth in schools, if schools how many are then engaging with clubs, primary school programs generally last a school term, are we seeing an increase in school teams entering competitions.

Basically what is KPI for the millions spent, surely new clubs and new green field sites should be part of that conversation? We keep hearing Dublin are doing a wonderful job, at winning All-Ireland's in football and making their hurlers competitive absolutely but growing the game, I see no new clubs I see no new grounds I see a stadium in Parnell Park at a par with Newbridge, with even worse parking. So if the GAA are pumping millions into Dublin GAA, what is the actual benefit to the organisation as a whole, is it really to maintain the same footprint year after year?




Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 10, 2018, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 10, 2018, 02:33:26 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 10, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
Incredible to think , no new clubs created by the DCB though despite all the grants received
And how would they do that?

Take one of the bigger clubs and split them, tell them they cannot pick from a particular area any more?

Castleknock & St. Brigids would be an example of this I suppose.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 10, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
QuoteBasically what is KPI for the millions spent, surely new clubs and new green field sites should be part of that conversation?

Thats a good point. Without Dun Laoghaire Rathdowns municipal pitches the likes of Cuala would be screwed. I think it's the same in most of the Dublin subarbs, the fields were already there and the local councils let the GAA clubs use them at the weekends for underage training and matchs and adult lower division matchs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 10, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
I think other journalists go out of their way to start the conversation with, 'Dublin's success isn't down to money alone and it's not their fault they get way more than everyone else, BUT...'
Ewan just skips that bit!
At the end of the day, he doesn't need access to anyone involved in inter-county football.
The rest of them have to be a bit more diplomatic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
Anyone that doesn't have the balls to call a spade a spade shouldn't call themselves journalists. In any other field of writing you wouldn't have this idea of the journalists hmming and hawing about access when there's a potentially GAA destroying issue and story looming overhead. In fact you wouldn't even get it in English sports writing either..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

Cheers.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 10, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
I like the 'Alien' analogy.  :)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 10, 2018, 05:26:40 PM
How many clubs have folded or merged in Dublin over the past 20 years, despite all this funding...

Fontenoys, Park Rangers, st James Gaels, dundrum churchtown.
Any more?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything? 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Enjoy your success, it's worth and the interest in it depreciates every year. And will continue depreciate. This was shown by the coverage in the media leading up to the final this year. There was little or no interest. Games that have forgone conclusions are even beginning to bore the Dubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Enjoy your success, it's worth and the interest in it depreciates every year. And will continue depreciate. This was shown by the coverage in the media leading up to the final this year. There was little or no interest. Games that have forgone conclusions are even beginning to bore the Dubs.

Long term the best thing for the GAA is Dublin to keep winning. A flukey Tryone win last week would have been an excuse for some of the people in this thread and elsewhere to stick their heads in the sand and pretend there isn't a massive problem that needs to be addressed with Dublin.

If a 10-in-row with non-sellout AI finals and tanking total attendances is what it takes to make the GAA grow some balls, so be it. I don't see any willingness for them to act until their hand is absolutely forced so it's the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 10, 2018, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Yes,every Dub loves a one horse race.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
I'm very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isn't what I'd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And let's not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I can't help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this year's final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving won't alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republic's population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)you'll get a more accurate account of what's happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:28:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Enjoy your success, it's worth and the interest in it depreciates every year. And will continue depreciate. This was shown by the coverage in the media leading up to the final this year. There was little or no interest. Games that have forgone conclusions are even beginning to bore the Dubs.

Long term the best thing for the GAA is Dublin to keep winning. A flukey Tryone win last week would have been an excuse for some of the people in this thread and elsewhere to stick their heads in the sand and pretend there isn't a massive problem that needs to be addressed with Dublin.

If a 10-in-row with non-sellout AI finals and tanking total attendances is what it takes to make the GAA grow some balls, so be it. I don't see any willingness for them to act until their hand is absolutely forced so it's the best we can hope for.
G'man Syf, sure I never doubted ya.  ;D ;D That's absoutely spot on!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Enjoy your success, it's worth and the interest in it depreciates every year. And will continue depreciate. This was shown by the coverage in the media leading up to the final this year. There was little or no interest. Games that have forgone conclusions are even beginning to bore the Dubs.

Long term the best thing for the GAA is Dublin to keep winning. A flukey Tryone win last week would have been an excuse for some of the people in this thread and elsewhere to stick their heads in the sand and pretend there isn't a massive problem that needs to be addressed with Dublin.

If a 10-in-row with non-sellout AI finals and tanking total attendances is what it takes to make the GAA grow some balls, so be it. I don't see any willingness for them to act until their hand is absolutely forced so it's the best we can hope for.

You look at the chasing Bunch of Tyrone, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Kildare, Monaghan. With the exception of the last two named, there will be little appetite for fans of these counties to dig into their pockets next year!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
I'm very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isn't what I'd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And let's not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I can't help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this year's final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving won't alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republic's population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)you'll get a more accurate account of what's happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isn't it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 10, 2018, 11:59:21 PM
Club Rossie draw for a €425k house in Dublin.
Tickets €100.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 11, 2018, 12:05:25 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2018, 11:59:21 PM
Club Rossie draw for a €425k house in Dublin.
Tickets €100.

Link them so they can get a chance to win it before it's too late, you animal.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 12:16:32 AM
https://winahouseindublin.com/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 08:55:42 AM
Jaysus that's some prize. Some amount of Money in Roscommon what what what.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 08:57:31 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Enjoy your success, it's worth and the interest in it depreciates every year. And will continue depreciate. This was shown by the coverage in the media leading up to the final this year. There was little or no interest. Games that have forgone conclusions are even beginning to bore the Dubs.

Long term the best thing for the GAA is Dublin to keep winning. A flukey Tryone win last week would have been an excuse for some of the people in this thread and elsewhere to stick their heads in the sand and pretend there isn't a massive problem that needs to be addressed with Dublin.

If a 10-in-row with non-sellout AI finals and tanking total attendances is what it takes to make the GAA grow some balls, so be it. I don't see any willingness for them to act until their hand is absolutely forced so it's the best we can hope for.

That's not what the players are saying, some fans maybe, but the players from the top teams see it as a challenge, ask them yourself if you any. A large majority of pundits and journalists admire and give praise to the Dublin team, some don't, that's fine.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?

Enjoy your success, it's worth and the interest in it depreciates every year. And will continue depreciate. This was shown by the coverage in the media leading up to the final this year. There was little or no interest. Games that have forgone conclusions are even beginning to bore the Dubs.

Long term the best thing for the GAA is Dublin to keep winning. A flukey Tryone win last week would have been an excuse for some of the people in this thread and elsewhere to stick their heads in the sand and pretend there isn't a massive problem that needs to be addressed with Dublin.

If a 10-in-row with non-sellout AI finals and tanking total attendances is what it takes to make the GAA grow some balls, so be it. I don't see any willingness for them to act until their hand is absolutely forced so it's the best we can hope for.

You look at the chasing Bunch of Tyrone, Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Kildare, Monaghan. With the exception of the last two named, there will be little appetite for fans of these counties to dig into their pockets next year!

Nonsense. Slight difference maybe but the big supported teams will travel , especially Mayo, who I feel will be there or there abouts next year.

Does anyone have stats on last year v this year attendances?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 09:06:05 AM
Mayo dropping back to become just another mid-tier county is the GAA's absolute worst nightmare at the moment.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 12:16:32 AM
https://winahouseindublin.com/

Should be a great earner from Roscommon, reckon Mulryan has given that away for free.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 11, 2018, 09:41:03 AM
QuoteQuote from: Rossfan on Today at 12:16:32 AM
https://winahouseindublin.com/

Should be a great earner from Roscommon, reckon Mulryan has given that away for free.

Looks like a scam site. Is this verified anywhere? No phone number on the site either? Dodgy as f**k I'd say.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 10:47:34 AM
Totally genuine.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 11, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
Fully genuine  site and draw
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: westbound on September 11, 2018, 10:58:48 AM
I presume highorlow was taking the p@%$, but in case he wasn't it's verified here

http://www.gaaroscommon.ie/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 11:09:41 AM
Where's highorlow from I wonder?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Ballagh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Ballagh.

Is that in Roscommon or Mayo?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
What Reg No do Ballagh people get if they buy a new car ;)

Meanwhile in another sign of Eastern wealth  Louth Co Board buying a site round Dundalk for a new County Ground.
Sally there will be no more Green grassy slopes....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
I'm very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isn't what I'd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And let's not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I can't help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this year's final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving won't alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republic's population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)you'll get a more accurate account of what's happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isn't it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?
Just for the record, I have always said that I don't begrudge Dublin their recent success. I can take issue with some of the stuff a number of their supporters post here but that is a seperate issue entirely.
I think it's fairly easy to comparemanagers from different eras. You can compare them by taking account of the way they manage the resources available to them and here I would give the nod to Jim Gavin as the best I have seen.
I doubt that his team would be anywhere as good as they undoubtedly are if he wasn't the man in charge.Put it another way, if gavin had been in charge of Mayo, I belive that they would have lost all of their last four AI finals.
That's why I can't say for definite that the present Dubs' side is the best I have seen. Micko once said that he couldn't say that either when he was asked the same question.
He felt that a team can't be judged against other teams from different eras and I accept what he had to say.
I'd be inclined to say the Dub team right now is the best I have seen but I couldn't say that for last year's team or any other time they met Mayo in an AI final.
Dublin should have been able to beat Mayo half way up Clonliffe Road, given their advantages in every conceivable way. 
IMO, the real difference between the two sides was the quality in depth of the respective benches. Gavin could put in players that would find a place on any other county in the land, whereas Rochford or Horan before him had sweet fa on hand that could compare with those available to Gavin.
However, Dublin are steadily burning off all opposition now that Mayo have been disposed of and I see no reason why they won't deserve to be regarded as the greatest I have seen at their present rate of progress.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 11, 2018, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Ballagh.

Is that in Roscommon or Mayo?
Sligo
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
I'm very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isn't what I'd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And let's not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I can't help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this year's final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving won't alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republic's population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)you'll get a more accurate account of what's happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isn't it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?
Just for the record, I have always said that I don't begrudge Dublin their recent success. I can take issue with some of the stuff a number of their supporters post here but that is a seperate issue entirely.
I think it's fairly easy to comparemanagers from different eras. You can compare them by taking account of the way they manage the resources available to them and here I would give the nod to Jim Gavin as the best I have seen.
I doubt that his team would be anywhere as good as they undoubtedly are if he wasn't the man in charge.Put it another way, if gavin had been in charge of Mayo, I belive that they would have lost all of their last four AI finals.
That's why I can't say for definite that the present Dubs' side is the best I have seen. Micko once said that he couldn't say that either when he was asked the same question.
He felt that a team can't be judged against other teams from different eras and I accept what he had to say.
I'd be inclined to say the Dub team right now is the best I have seen but I couldn't say that for last year's team or any other time they met Mayo in an AI final.
Dublin should have been able to beat Mayo half way up Clonliffe Road, given their advantages in every conceivable way
IMO, the real difference between the two sides was the quality in depth of the respective benches. Gavin could put in players that would find a place on any other county in the land, whereas Rochford or Horan before him had sweet fa on hand that could compare with those available to Gavin.
However, Dublin are steadily burning off all opposition now that Mayo have been disposed of and I see no reason why they won't deserve to be regarded as the greatest I have seen at their present rate of progress.

What advantages?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sligoman2 on September 11, 2018, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
I'm very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isn't what I'd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And let's not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I can't help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this year's final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving won't alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republic's population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)you'll get a more accurate account of what's happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isn't it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?
Just for the record, I have always said that I don't begrudge Dublin their recent success. I can take issue with some of the stuff a number of their supporters post here but that is a seperate issue entirely.
I think it's fairly easy to comparemanagers from different eras. You can compare them by taking account of the way they manage the resources available to them and here I would give the nod to Jim Gavin as the best I have seen.
I doubt that his team would be anywhere as good as they undoubtedly are if he wasn't the man in charge.Put it another way, if gavin had been in charge of Mayo, I belive that they would have lost all of their last four AI finals.
That's why I can't say for definite that the present Dubs' side is the best I have seen. Micko once said that he couldn't say that either when he was asked the same question.
He felt that a team can't be judged against other teams from different eras and I accept what he had to say.
I'd be inclined to say the Dub team right now is the best I have seen but I couldn't say that for last year's team or any other time they met Mayo in an AI final.
Dublin should have been able to beat Mayo half way up Clonliffe Road, given their advantages in every conceivable way
IMO, the real difference between the two sides was the quality in depth of the respective benches. Gavin could put in players that would find a place on any other county in the land, whereas Rochford or Horan before him had sweet fa on hand that could compare with those available to Gavin.
However, Dublin are steadily burning off all opposition now that Mayo have been disposed of and I see no reason why they won't deserve to be regarded as the greatest I have seen at their present rate of progress.

What advantages?

Well to make a short answer long, why don't you start by reading the first 90 pages in this thread...

Let me know if you need any more help.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on September 11, 2018, 01:21:11 PM
Realistically we should expect Dublin to have equaled or surpassed Kerry in terms of All Ireland wins by years 2030-32. Another 9 wins to draw level. I reckon Kerry will take that well, sure the minors and juniors be plenty for em...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 01:22:23 PM
Iv contributed to this thread the most.

The senior football team vrs Mayo senior football team, the maybe 1 or 2 advantages. A bigger player pool to pick from, Adult football leagues div 1 to 4. I would say Mayo's training facilities are better than Dublins, the rest the same, What is different this decade compared to other decades = Dublin have a good team and winning which people who already hate Dublin football just cant handle.

The players from the top 6-7 teams are not complaining, its a challenge.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate. [/b]


Quotehttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html

With the help of State funding the GAA's market share has increased impressively in the capital. The cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent. Could any of this have been seen as a sure thing, a no-brainer? Not that long ago, carrying a hurl in many parts of Dublin might mark you out as a bit odd, and almost certainly from the country. It is a different place now. That is the real story of the investment in Dublin and there are many more like it untold.

Absolutely brilliant to see such growth in youth participation rates.

But this is clearly a bad thing in some people's eyes.

Those people are miserable cranks.

QuoteThe cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent

Would like to see a source, is this growth in clubs or growth in schools, if schools how many are then engaging with clubs, primary school programs generally last a school term, are we seeing an increase in school teams entering competitions.

Basically what is KPI for the millions spent, surely new clubs and new green field sites should be part of that conversation? We keep hearing Dublin are doing a wonderful job, at winning All-Ireland's in football and making their hurlers competitive absolutely but growing the game, I see no new clubs I see no new grounds I see a stadium in Parnell Park at a par with Newbridge, with even worse parking. So if the GAA are pumping millions into Dublin GAA, what is the actual benefit to the organisation as a whole, is it really to maintain the same footprint year after year?

The Dublin posters have chosen to ignore this; It won't be long before a jouno is writing about this given we know many of them read the board.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate. [/b]


Quotehttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html

With the help of State funding the GAA's market share has increased impressively in the capital. The cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent. Could any of this have been seen as a sure thing, a no-brainer? Not that long ago, carrying a hurl in many parts of Dublin might mark you out as a bit odd, and almost certainly from the country. It is a different place now. That is the real story of the investment in Dublin and there are many more like it untold.

Absolutely brilliant to see such growth in youth participation rates.

But this is clearly a bad thing in some people's eyes.

Those people are miserable cranks.

QuoteThe cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent

Would like to see a source, is this growth in clubs or growth in schools, if schools how many are then engaging with clubs, primary school programs generally last a school term, are we seeing an increase in school teams entering competitions.

Basically what is KPI for the millions spent, surely new clubs and new green field sites should be part of that conversation? We keep hearing Dublin are doing a wonderful job, at winning All-Ireland's in football and making their hurlers competitive absolutely but growing the game, I see no new clubs I see no new grounds I see a stadium in Parnell Park at a par with Newbridge, with even worse parking. So if the GAA are pumping millions into Dublin GAA, what is the actual benefit to the organisation as a whole, is it really to maintain the same footprint year after year?

The Dublin posters have chosen to ignore this; It won't be long before a jouno is writing about this given we know many of them read the board.

I Think i responded to that, it goes on coaching over the last decade to children, courses for the volunteers etc etc. That's the key point missed, Dublin are investing in the children and people, while others are investing in bricks and mortar.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on September 11, 2018, 01:45:11 PM
How does that club rossie draw work ? Where did they get the money to Purchase the house ?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 11, 2018, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate. [/b]


Quotehttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html

With the help of State funding the GAA's market share has increased impressively in the capital. The cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent. Could any of this have been seen as a sure thing, a no-brainer? Not that long ago, carrying a hurl in many parts of Dublin might mark you out as a bit odd, and almost certainly from the country. It is a different place now. That is the real story of the investment in Dublin and there are many more like it untold.

Absolutely brilliant to see such growth in youth participation rates.

But this is clearly a bad thing in some people's eyes.

Those people are miserable cranks.

QuoteThe cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent

Would like to see a source, is this growth in clubs or growth in schools, if schools how many are then engaging with clubs, primary school programs generally last a school term, are we seeing an increase in school teams entering competitions.

Basically what is KPI for the millions spent, surely new clubs and new green field sites should be part of that conversation? We keep hearing Dublin are doing a wonderful job, at winning All-Ireland's in football and making their hurlers competitive absolutely but growing the game, I see no new clubs I see no new grounds I see a stadium in Parnell Park at a par with Newbridge, with even worse parking. So if the GAA are pumping millions into Dublin GAA, what is the actual benefit to the organisation as a whole, is it really to maintain the same footprint year after year?

The Dublin posters have chosen to ignore this; It won't be long before a jouno is writing about this given we know many of them read the board.

They did try to by a large site in Lucan but NAMA wouldn't sell it to them.

There's this show on rte a couple of times every day called "The News" You should watch it to see what land prices are like in Dublin. Alternatively with google/the internet you can look up litreally anything. Take any of these options and see how hard it is to buy a house in dublin never mind the large green area need for a new club.  Several clubs in dublin in fact are coming under pressure as their pitches are being sold for property developments. Only recently residents in Raheny had to hold several protests due to the council's plan to build 500 houses on what is currently St Anne's park.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 11, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 11, 2018, 01:45:11 PM
How does that club rossie draw work ? Where did they get the money to Purchase the house ?

They'll have got it for free, Mulryan who owns Ballymore is a Rossie; He used to sponsor them.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Orchard park on September 11, 2018, 03:06:28 PM
At cost I believe the houses is, but either  way an arrangement underwritten by arguiably the 2nd highest funding  private individual involved in the GAA.

Sean Mulryan has kept us afloat for a long long time
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 11, 2018, 03:47:46 PM
Ouch

https://gaablogs1916.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/ewan-mackenna-the-gaa-worlds-equivalent-of-a-flat-earther/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 11, 2018, 03:48:40 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 01:48:26 PM

Show us this increased partcipation, year by year breakdown, number of new clubs and green areas purchased to facilitate. [/b]


Quotehttps://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html

With the help of State funding the GAA's market share has increased impressively in the capital. The cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent. Could any of this have been seen as a sure thing, a no-brainer? Not that long ago, carrying a hurl in many parts of Dublin might mark you out as a bit odd, and almost certainly from the country. It is a different place now. That is the real story of the investment in Dublin and there are many more like it untold.

Absolutely brilliant to see such growth in youth participation rates.

But this is clearly a bad thing in some people's eyes.

Those people are miserable cranks.

QuoteThe cumulative growth rate in Gaelic football among children between the ages of eight and 12, from 2011 to this year is almost 42 per cent. Over the same period in hurling, the cumulative rate of growth is 64.1 per cent

Would like to see a source, is this growth in clubs or growth in schools, if schools how many are then engaging with clubs, primary school programs generally last a school term, are we seeing an increase in school teams entering competitions.

Basically what is KPI for the millions spent, surely new clubs and new green field sites should be part of that conversation? We keep hearing Dublin are doing a wonderful job, at winning All-Ireland's in football and making their hurlers competitive absolutely but growing the game, I see no new clubs I see no new grounds I see a stadium in Parnell Park at a par with Newbridge, with even worse parking. So if the GAA are pumping millions into Dublin GAA, what is the actual benefit to the organisation as a whole, is it really to maintain the same footprint year after year?


If you listen to Jarlath Burns on the Parkinson podcast he explains how Dublin used the GAA funding - Every player development coach who went into schools was linked to a club in order to increase participation rates in clubs. The primary focus though was on giving kids the chance to play GAA whether they chose to go on and play with clubs was not the be all and end all.

In terms of new grounds etc as he also pointed out his own club only need to fork out about 300k to get enough land to build a clubhouse/pitch etc but in Dublin the figure would be closer to a 10m+ in certain areas.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gaa-gamble-pays-off-for-coach-1.1009056 - A description of what the Gaelic Development officer does in Dublin

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/we-can-all-take-lessons-from-dublin-winning-blueprint-403728.html - a Kerry take from 2 years ago about what counties can learn from Dublin in terms of development and using development officers

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-gavin-defends-the-investment-in-dublin-gaa-1.2526138 - Jim Gavin telling other counties what to do to get increased funding again from two years ago
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 11, 2018, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

I fail to see what the airport has to do with Dublin GAA. :(

Maybe that's were kildare have been going wrong all these years. They do all their training in buildings rather than kicking footballs on the pitch
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
The GAA in Dublin benefits enormously from access to municipal facilities, thereby allowing a greater proportion of their funding to be directed into games development.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 11, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
QuoteIn an attempt to validate his false outrage, MacKenna persists with a statistic that over the last ten years Dublin have received €16m in funding towards games development while Cork, the next in line, have received €1.1m. The problem with this claim is that it gives zero context. The new Páirc Uí Chaoimh stadium in Cork is a tremendous asset. It is, by far, the largest and most impressive stadium in Ireland owned by a county board and a fantastic tool in games development throughout the county. Cork received €30m directly from the GAA towards its' construction. That's double the direct GAA funding compared to Dublin in the same period – stick that on a pie chart.

And your point is?

QuoteWhen Mayo struggled with repayments due on McHale Park in 2015, the GAA stepped in with €10m to ease the pain. Another interesting point here is that during 2016 the Mayo County board officially spent more than any other county board in the country.

Fake news, we are still paying this debt on McHale. So this guy is saying that we spent more than the Dubs in 2016? Is that true?

QuoteContrary to popular belief, Dublin is one of the only counties in Ireland not to benefit from having a dedicated GAA centre of excellence.

More fake news, they have access by bus and/or taxi to the national sports injury clinic in Santry. If a player gets a bad knock in a club game this is a major advantage. Use of sports scientist in DCU and the like on he doorstep also.


QuoteThe most painful part of Dublin winning for the haters is that this current crop are steeped in history. Their brilliance stems from the desire to carry on Dublin's proud attacking traditions laid down by Kevin Heffernan. From this year's team, Jack McCaffrey, Dean Rock, James McCarthy, Bernard Brogan (plus previously Alan) and Kevin McManamon are all sons of ex-Dublin players. They are carrying the torch for Dublin football and following in their fathers' footsteps.

The genetics argument is the new distraction. If this is the reason then no other county will ever win an AI.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ballinaman on September 11, 2018, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
The GAA in Dublin benefits enormously from access to municipal facilities, thereby allowing a greater proportion of their funding to be directed into games development.
Ah but you can't blame Dublin GAA for that line in 3...2...1... Ah but you can't blame Dublin GAA for that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 04:35:33 PM
Roscommon has no centre of excellence or even a centre.
We have a field near Oran which may become the Dermot Earley Centre of Excellence if we live long enough.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 11, 2018, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 10, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 10, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html)

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I don't think he's the only one with an obsession..

Dublin's four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. It's going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
I'm very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isn't what I'd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And let's not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I can't help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this year's final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving won't alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republic's population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)you'll get a more accurate account of what's happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isn't it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?
Just for the record, I have always said that I don't begrudge Dublin their recent success. I can take issue with some of the stuff a number of their supporters post here but that is a seperate issue entirely.
I think it's fairly easy to comparemanagers from different eras. You can compare them by taking account of the way they manage the resources available to them and here I would give the nod to Jim Gavin as the best I have seen.
I doubt that his team would be anywhere as good as they undoubtedly are if he wasn't the man in charge.Put it another way, if gavin had been in charge of Mayo, I belive that they would have lost all of their last four AI finals.
That's why I can't say for definite that the present Dubs' side is the best I have seen. Micko once said that he couldn't say that either when he was asked the same question.
He felt that a team can't be judged against other teams from different eras and I accept what he had to say.
I'd be inclined to say the Dub team right now is the best I have seen but I couldn't say that for last year's team or any other time they met Mayo in an AI final.
Dublin should have been able to beat Mayo half way up Clonliffe Road, given their advantages in every conceivable way. 
IMO, the real difference between the two sides was the quality in depth of the respective benches. Gavin could put in players that would find a place on any other county in the land, whereas Rochford or Horan before him had sweet fa on hand that could compare with those available to Gavin.
However, Dublin are steadily burning off all opposition now that Mayo have been disposed of and I see no reason why they won't deserve to be regarded as the greatest I have seen at their present rate of progress.

Lar I agree with your comments about Dublin's performances in their two finals against Mayo. Both of those games could have gone either way and Dublin's bench probably swung it. Indeed I have no problem in accepting that Mayo could have won either or both of those games. Now that presents the appalling vista to some on this forum that Dublin's spectacular success was simply down to a once in a generation coming together of a group of extremely talented players along with a great management team. And like all good things this era will pass.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 11, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 11, 2018, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 11, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
The GAA in Dublin benefits enormously from access to municipal facilities, thereby allowing a greater proportion of their funding to be directed into games development.
Ah but you can't blame Dublin GAA for that line in 3...2...1... Ah but you can't blame Dublin GAA for that.
"Blame"?

Why on earth are you "blaming" Dublin GAA clubs for using park pitches for juvenile matches?

The particular verb you use makes no sense.

What's the latest bullshit narrative here?

That these public parks should be shut down?

That the GAA goalposts in them should be uprooted and flowerbeds put in their place?

Or something?




Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on September 11, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!


The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

The Dublin team trained in Croke Park 3 times a week from July.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 11, 2018, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on September 11, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!


The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

The Dublin team trained in Croke Park 3 times a week from July.

That's about as believable as your user name 😪
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 11, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on September 11, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!


The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

The Dublin team trained in Croke Park 3 times a week from July.
Was there a model railway exhibition on there for the summer? Maybe they had a season pass for it?  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2018, 10:34:11 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 10, 2018, 02:12:38 PM
Good article by Dermot Crowe here.

All the anti-Dublin zealots are missing at this stage are the chants of "Lock! Them! Up!"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/money-talk-is-wide-of-the-mark-37297041.html
'Fraid I can't agree with you and it's got nothing to do with an anti-Dublin agenda of any sort. I think I have far more experience of dealing with juvenile footballers in Dublin than Dermot Crowe has and I'm not too impressed with claims that the work of GPOs and the likes will definitely lead to a significant increase in the number of kids who will join their local clubs because of their new coaches undoubted hard work and enthusiasm.
THe GAA in Dublin has had the support of the INTO, the Irish National Teachers Organisation since the foundation of the GAA, and still has to a degree, right up to the present. You can add the CBs, De  La Salles as well.
In recent times, the numbers of males engaged in teaching has declined sharply in Dublin and indeed in the rest of the country also and clubs can no longer rely on schools to send new members their way.
I imagine everyone with an interest in under age football will have heard of Cumann Na mBunscol and the inter school leagues and championships organised by this body. I was one of its members for over 30 years and I tried my damndest to encourage kids who played gah for me to join the local club, Erin's Isle.
Despite the hard work of hundreds engaged in similar work, the numbers who did opt to join a club and, most importantly, stay there for any length of time was less than impressive.
Isles and all other clubs I know of were not to blame for this. Obviously. All clubs were prepared to accept new members but I never heard of a single club official that put pressure on any teachers to persuade the kids they taught to join any club unless it was their own decision to do so. Which very few did unless they knew others already there or their fathers or other family member had played with the club in question.
To put it simply, big clubs intimidate small boys.
At the stage I am referring to, most boys are reluctant to strip off in front of strangers and to cap it all, there usually is a strong rivalry between boys from different schools. They are far more likely to fight with rather than cooperate with kids from any other local school.
All in all, I wish the GPO initiative the very best of luck but I think getting youngsters to try something new out is a simple enough but getting them to stay involved is a different matter.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2018, 11:25:30 PM
Why aren't people pushing for the Dublin county board to release their accounts? Shouldn't every counties accounts be open to the GAA public? I've seen a few things on twitter about the 2016 accounts for Dublin being available, the numbers look huge. Also I've seen loads of images on twitter about the effect that the finance available to Dublin GAA has had across the board. Not just with their senior footballers. I'll try to link images here if I can figure them out.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2018, 11:29:43 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wbvtk4.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2018, 11:32:00 PM
There's snippets from the 2016 Dublin county board accounts. As you can see, the Strategic Review Committee figures at the bottom shows 2.7 million for 2016 and 2.5 million for 2015. This is far higher than the 1.5 million that people have been saying that Dublin get per year. How is this number explained?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 12, 2018, 12:18:29 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 11, 2018, 11:32:00 PM
There's snippets from the 2016 Dublin county board accounts. As you can see, the Strategic Review Committee figures at the bottom shows 2.7 million for 2016 and 2.5 million for 2015. This is far higher than the 1.5 million that people have been saying that Dublin get per year. How is this number explained?

Yeah it's one big conspiracy. Dubs are getting way more than actually was made public. Don't tell Ewan McKenna or we'll never hear the end of it in the papers
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on September 12, 2018, 02:47:18 AM
priceyreilly - I think people refer to the Commercial income/AIG sponsorship etc more often as its in the news more etc and more quotable. There are more sponsorship partners etc involved and the use of these can have benefits eg subaru & gibson hotel etc for the team and for their sponsors too. I would not be quick to blame Dublin GAA on this, any county in their position would/should do this.

On the Annual reports containing financial details some county boards do make them available for example Mayo's is available
and interests parties such as season ticket holders etc could look through and see where money is spent.
here is a link to Mayo's past ones -http://mayogaa.com/content_page/18068/ (http://mayogaa.com/content_page/18068/) good luck with finding some other counties!

The figure 2.7m - Strategic Review Committee is about the plan to save the GAA in Dublin, I think a lot of people can't understand how this plan is in place but the GAA participation rate were/arent as high in comparison to other counties. If you take your county hat off and put your GAA hat on you would not like to see the GAA solely becoming a rural sport and the further possibility of it dying out in the distant future. I think a lot of people do not realise that its Soccer vs Rugby vs GAA vs other sports and no parish link as in rural areas. Take a look at the registered players vs county population figures to back this up, for a city the size of Dublin its inadequate.

Have a look at the Blue Wave Document - http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/the-blue-wave.pdf (http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/the-blue-wave.pdf) you will see Pauric Duffy's comments and the Chairman on Dublin's strategic review committee. You could argue why put money into this and not into other counties instead but what would happen if you did nothing or not enough in the future years.

Incidently the GAA's Strategic Review Committee in 2002 recommeded that Dublin be split into two. heres the link https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tale-of-two-city-teams-dominates-gaa-review-1.1047385 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tale-of-two-city-teams-dominates-gaa-review-1.1047385), this has obviously not happened
but money has still gone into the Dublin Strategic Review Commitee. People argue that a monster has being created, however it was a difficult position to be put in a few years deciding where to allocate funds.

Just read that article from Dermot Crowe and he has made some valid points in relation to Dublin GAA. Would be interesting to see how the East Leinster Project pans outs https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/15m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/15m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html)
GAA President John Horan - "We're not going around with our heads in the sand. We need a marketable product to keep sponsors going and we need a marketable product to get supporters to come, you can't have those big gaps that exist between Dublin and the rest. This is an attempt to address that."

I would be interested in hearing peoples thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 08:22:59 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 11, 2018, 07:05:15 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on September 11, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!


The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

The Dublin team trained in Croke Park 3 times a week from July.

That's about as believable as your user name 😪

Thanks for that. Save me the hassle.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 12, 2018, 09:29:38 AM
Team Administration

1.5m

This is a county with no travel expenses. Would love to see the breakdown of that, those volunteers don't seem so cheap.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 12, 2018, 09:38:14 AM
QuoteTeam Administration

1.5m

This is a county with no travel expenses. Would love to see the breakdown of that, those volunteers don't seem so cheap.

Its for just the one team then.

What's the latest on Abbotstown, are the Dubs getting to use that place these days?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 12, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

This is a nonsense arguemnt.
How many Intercounty teams train at their 'home' venue?
Tyrone don't train in Omagh, Monaghan dont train in Clones.
Most counties, train at their training ground and play at their designated home ground
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 12, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

This is a nonsense arguemnt.
How many Intercounty teams train at their 'home' venue?
Tyrone don't train in Omagh, Monaghan dont train in Clones.
Most counties, train at their training ground and play at their designated home ground

Some do, some don't. Its not relevant to victory.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 12, 2018, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 12, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

This is a nonsense arguemnt.
How many Intercounty teams train at their 'home' venue?
Tyrone don't train in Omagh, Monaghan dont train in Clones.
Most counties, train at their training ground and play at their designated home ground

Some do, some don't. Its not relevant to victory.

Well then why highlight it as an issue?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 12, 2018, 10:02:39 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 12, 2018, 09:38:14 AM
QuoteTeam Administration

1.5m

This is a county with no travel expenses. Would love to see the breakdown of that, those volunteers don't seem so cheap.

Its for just the one team then.

What's the latest on Abbotstown, are the Dubs getting to use that place these days?

No they threw their toys when they weren't allowed exclusive access.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
So there's no explanation for the 2.7 and 2.5 million figures? Isn't it time the Dublin county board answered questions on this? After all it's public money that's paying for this. Do they have something to hide?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 12, 2018, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 12, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

This is a nonsense arguemnt.
How many Intercounty teams train at their 'home' venue?
Tyrone don't train in Omagh, Monaghan dont train in Clones.
Most counties, train at their training ground and play at their designated home ground

Some do, some don't. Its not relevant to victory.

Wait are trying to say playing at home has no bearing on winning! I mean I suppose you would say that after playing 75% of your championship games at home. I'd say Kerry would love to play 3 out of every 4 championship games in Killarney.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 10:15:04 AM
It's generally accepted now that the Dublin senior footballers are so successful because of the money they've been given. Obviously Dublin supporters will deny this but the facts are there for all to see. I think what supports this claim is the improvements seen in other areas. It shows that it's can't be just passed off as a one off football team. There's been improvements in Dublin hurling and their women's teams. Also I found this graphic about club football and hurling.


(http://i67.tinypic.com/2czasd1.jpg)



That's a huge jump.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 10:15:04 AM
It's generally accepted now that the Dublin senior footballers are so successful because of the money they've been given. Obviously Dublin supporters will deny this but the facts are there for all to see. I think what supports this claim is the improvements seen in other areas. It shows that it's can't be just passed off as a one off football team. There's been improvements in Dublin hurling and their women's teams. Also I found this graphic about club football and hurling.


(http://i67.tinypic.com/2czasd1.jpg)




That's a huge jump.


Well said Ewan
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 12, 2018, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 12, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 11, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2018, 03:56:55 PM
Can someone explain to Dublin posters why they don't have to invest in bricks and mortar?

I will give you a clue "It's a big f**king building on the North side of Dublin"!!

The new waste incinerator?

If referencing Croke Park, I forgot that Dublin fans assisted in the development and payment of it due to their large attendances. Nearly forgot, however if referencing a home venue for Dublin, a home venue that you cant train on and play on it once every 3 weeks in the Summer. Meh.

This is a nonsense arguemnt.
How many Intercounty teams train at their 'home' venue?
Tyrone don't train in Omagh, Monaghan dont train in Clones.
Most counties, train at their training ground and play at their designated home ground

Some do, some don't. Its not relevant to victory.

Wait are trying to say playing at home has no bearing on winning! I mean I suppose you would say that after playing 75% of your championship games at home. I'd say Kerry would love to play 3 out of every 4 championship games in Killarney.

+1 Dennis would be mighty
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 10:40:45 AM
Where's the minor football team in that graph?

Where's all age levels and codes in that graph?

The Dublin senior footballers are only a small part of a bigger Dublin GAA.

Females in schools and clubs get the same coaching from the GDOs,  please do the graphs..

thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 10:50:09 AM
That's what I mean, it's not just the Dublin senior footballers. This money has clearly had an effect in every aspect. It's improved the Dublin footballers from contenders to 6 All Ireland's in 8 years. That grabs all the headlines but improvements in other areas show that the huge resources have bought success across the board. I found this table too but I think it's out of date. It doesn't include the recent All Ireland I believe.



(http://i64.tinypic.com/2s82pzb.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 10:40:45 AM
Where's the minor football team in that graph?

Where's all age levels and codes in that graph?

The Dublin senior footballers are only a small part of a bigger Dublin GAA.

Females in schools and clubs get the same coaching from the GDOs,  please do the graphs..

thank you in advance.

I think you're forgetting that Dublin have won 51 titles in all grades and codes since the financial doping. This isn't just about the senior footballers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 10:40:45 AM
Where's the minor football team in that graph?

Where's all age levels and codes in that graph?

The Dublin senior footballers are only a small part of a bigger Dublin GAA.

Females in schools and clubs get the same coaching from the GDOs,  please do the graphs..

thank you in advance.

I think you're forgetting that Dublin have won 51 titles in all grades and codes since the financial doping. This isn't just about the senior footballers.


From u-14 up? both genders, both codes, seems like a terrible return.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 11:14:04 AM
Let's look at what's happening now. The millions of euro Dublin GAA have got since 2005 was meant to increase participation and increase Dublin's standards across all competitions. We can see that the second part has worked, I've already done a table showing 52 titles post funding compared with 14 titles in the same time frame pre funding.

What about the increased participation part. Does anyone have any numbers on this? How many new clubs have been established? What are the playing numbers like in comparison to before the funding. We hear a lot about the super clubs and the huge numbers they're getting at underage levels but are the smaller clubs being left behind?

Surely if the number of kids at the super clubs are as big as has been touted, then the drop off rates must be massive around the 16, 17, 18 year old age group?

Have Dublin GAA made any impact on the rugby playing areas? Where soccer is strong?

On this thread we've had videos from Off The Ball posted, they listed the big name former players who are all coaching the development squads. And we've heard these squads are all doing top level strength and conditioning work and training in the multi million euro Abbotstown facilities. It looks like this is where the money is going and the increased participation part is kind of secondary. Can anyone clarify this?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on September 12, 2018, 01:45:00 PM
Jan 2018

"Dublin GAA has taken back the gym equipment that the county had funded and installed at the GAA's National Development Centre in Abbotstown."

"Dublin development and underage squads had primarily been using the facility but it involved usage by the senior squads from time to time. However, this arrangement is now at an end."

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-gaa-take-back-gym-gear-from-gaa-national-development-centre-36480868.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments, inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training. Being a Dublin player or manager also brings with it significant financial rewards from sponsorship opportunities, increasing player retention and value to the individual beyond what other counties' personnel will ever have access to.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money given to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

How do you know they don't, do you measure different categories in training and how many sessions and spare time used to practice etc. ! :) he said its a contributing factor, not the main factor, he's entitled to his opinion and expert opinions of being involved under 4 different managements and teams including the current one.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

How do you know they don't, do you measure different categories in training and how many sessions and spare time used to practice etc. ! :) he said its a contributing factor, not the main factor, he's entitled to his opinion and expert opinions of being involved under 4 different managements and teams including the current one.
Sorry? I said Dublin do work harder and smarter than any other team with the possible exception of Mayo.

The proof is in the eating.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 12, 2018, 02:53:24 PM
QuoteThe fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Given all the advantages Dublin have I would nearly say that Mayo have to work harder.

It's easier for the Dublin lads have a day that involves for example (and I've heard anecdotally that this is a typical day for a Dublin footballer) early morning training, after that nutritional stuff, then some rest, a small bit of desk work and then another training session with probably every other night an A v B match. All spent with their team-mates. Shur didn't McCarthy say how close the lads are in his interview after the game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 12, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?

It is supposed to be for both. However, as Syferus correctly points out, it is not remotely accurate. And even if the figures were somewhere close to correct (they are not), it is not a good relative indicator. Games cost money (travel, hotels, etc) - teams do not all have the same number in any given year, and not all teams travel similar distances. Training costs money - teams do not all stay in the championship for the same length of time, and not all have the exact same number of players claiming mileage costs.
Knowing from personal experience how an intercounty team sources money for it's needs, there is no way an accurate report could be put together. So much of it comes under the table from differing sources. Often with no county board knowledge.

Posters here need to stop quoting these figures. They are nonsense, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 12, 2018, 02:53:24 PM
QuoteThe fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Given all the advantages Dublin have I would nearly say that Mayo have to work harder.

It's easier for the Dublin lads have a day that involves for example (and I've heard anecdotally that this is a typical day for a Dublin footballer) early morning training, after that nutritional stuff, then some rest, a small bit of desk work and then another training session with probably every other night an A v B match. All spent with their team-mates. Shur didn't McCarthy say how close the lads are in his interview after the game.
Let's not go back over the nonsense that Dublin players don't work.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:07:44 PM
So Dublin GAA are getting 2.5 million on average per year just to fund their underage structures. They get millions in sponsorship money, they have all the best facilities in the country on their doorstep and paid for, they have huge backroom teams featuring world champion boxers and expert coaches, millions spent on team preparation, in football they've only had one away game since 2006, they have weekly meals prepared for them, free cars for every player football and hurling the list goes on and on and on.

Basically, how can they not pick up tons of trophies? It's impossible not to. It's actually embarrassing that they haven't won more in hurling. This level of funding can't be justified. I'm just happy to see that it's getting more coverage now. The Dublin media are putting on a major campaign to try to silence this. It's not working. The end is coming near.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

OK, I'll bite.  Can you provide ANYTHING resembling evidence of this?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
On the 2017 spending list, I was surprised to see Limerick up in fifth place with €1.148 million.

Limerick played a grand total of four games in the 2017 senior championships - two hurling and two football - the lowest it's possible to play.

Yet there they are up in fifth place. €1.148 million is serious spending considering the teams' lack of success.

Now, as we all know, Limerick went on to win the 2018 All-Ireland hurling championship in superb style, playing eight games along the way.

So when the 2018 list is published, we can expect a hefty increase in Limerick's spending total for this year from the already hefty spending from the unsuccessful 2017.

Can we expect the usual suspects to thus claim that Limerick bought the All-Ireland?

Or does that spurious claim only apply to teams the usual suspects don't like, like Dublin?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

OK, I'll bite.  Can you provide ANYTHING resembling evidence of this?
i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
On the 2017 spending list, I was surprised to see Limerick up in fifth place with €1.148 million.

Limerick played a grand total of four games in the 2017 senior championships - two hurling and two football - the lowest it's possible to play.

Yet there they are up in fifth place. €1.148 million is serious spending considering the teams' lack of success.

Now, as we all know, Limerick went on to win the 2018 All-Ireland hurling championship in superb style, playing eight games along the way.

So when the 2018 list is published, we can expect a hefty increase in Limerick's spending total for this year from the already hefty spending from the unsuccessful 2017.

Can we expect the usual suspects to thus claim that Limerick bought the All-Ireland?

Or does that spurious claim only apply to teams the usual suspects don't like, like Dublin?

Why wouldn't people claim it? Do you think they bought an All Ireland?

Now let's look at Limerick's bought All Ireland v Dublin's bought All Ireland's.

Limerick have been sponsored by a very wealthy individual. This is equivalent to Dublin being sponsored by AIG.
They haven't been given 2.5 million per year to fund their underage system, they don't have a huge list of other sponsors, they haven't had every championship game bar 1 at home since 2006.
If you think Limerick have bought an All Ireland then the only conclusion is that Dublin have been handed multiple All Ireland's!

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

You missed a fact.

Dublin are the only professional team playing against amatuer teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

OK, I'll bite.  Can you provide ANYTHING resembling evidence of this?
i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

;D  This is clearly a piss take.

"The Queen is the hardest working woman in Britain."

"Why?"

"Cos she has the most money."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?

It is supposed to be for both. However, as Syferus correctly points out, it is not remotely accurate. And even if the figures were somewhere close to correct (they are not), it is not a good relative indicator. Games cost money (travel, hotels, etc) - teams do not all have the same number in any given year, and not all teams travel similar distances. Training costs money - teams do not all stay in the championship for the same length of time, and not all have the exact same number of players claiming mileage costs.
Knowing from personal experience how an intercounty team sources money for it's needs, there is no way an accurate report could be put together. So much of it comes under the table from differing sources. Often with no county board knowledge.

Posters here need to stop quoting these figures. They are nonsense, pure and simple.

In a nutshell.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

You missed a fact.

Dublin are the only professional team playing against amatuer teams.
Please don't expect me to take you seriously when you attempt to debate in a Trump-style manner.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

OK, I'll bite.  Can you provide ANYTHING resembling evidence of this?
i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

;D  This is clearly a piss take.

"The Queen is the hardest working woman in Britain."

"Why?"

"Cos she has the most money."

You haven't addressed or attempted to dispute the four facts I've advanced.

I wonder why that is, actually, I'm only pulling your leg, of course I know.

It's because you know they are true and can't argue against them.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 12, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

This is the line you get from most Dublin fans!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?

It is supposed to be for both. However, as Syferus correctly points out, it is not remotely accurate. And even if the figures were somewhere close to correct (they are not), it is not a good relative indicator. Games cost money (travel, hotels, etc) - teams do not all have the same number in any given year, and not all teams travel similar distances. Training costs money - teams do not all stay in the championship for the same length of time, and not all have the exact same number of players claiming mileage costs.
Knowing from personal experience how an intercounty team sources money for it's needs, there is no way an accurate report could be put together. So much of it comes under the table from differing sources. Often with no county board knowledge.

Posters here need to stop quoting these figures. They are nonsense, pure and simple.

In a nutshell.

"They're not remotely accurate".

Yet nobody has explained how or why.

Unsupported statements are not arguments.

You'd think people would know this from even a cursory following of politics.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 12, 2018, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

Are you implying that the Dublin team are on Drugs?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2018, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

Are you implying that the Dublin team are on Drugs?
You seem to be.

It would be the logical conclusion to this provincial whingefest.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 12, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?

It is supposed to be for both. However, as Syferus correctly points out, it is not remotely accurate. And even if the figures were somewhere close to correct (they are not), it is not a good relative indicator. Games cost money (travel, hotels, etc) - teams do not all have the same number in any given year, and not all teams travel similar distances. Training costs money - teams do not all stay in the championship for the same length of time, and not all have the exact same number of players claiming mileage costs.
Knowing from personal experience how an intercounty team sources money for it's needs, there is no way an accurate report could be put together. So much of it comes under the table from differing sources. Often with no county board knowledge.

Posters here need to stop quoting these figures. They are nonsense, pure and simple.

In a nutshell.

"They're not remotely accurate".

Yet nobody has explained how or why.

Unsupported statements are not arguments.

You'd think people would know this from even a cursory following of politics.

You can choose to disagree with me, or just not believe me if you wish. There is no way in the world I am going to post detailed information on an anonymous message board. But I know from my own personal experience that one of those figures above is at least 30% lower than the reality. If that one figure that I have knowledge on is so far off the mark then what should I expect of the rest? Do you really think that the author of the piece that accompanied that graphic has detailed info on all the money that county teams spent? It was based on county board published figures. i.e, what the county board's spent. There are benefactors ploughing money in to many counties. Some known, some not known. I have seen this first hand. Much of that money is not accounted for above. Either you know this, but are clinging to it to back your argument, or you are extremely naive.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 12, 2018, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

You missed a fact.

Dublin are the only professional team playing against amatuer teams.

That's true. How could Dublin people forget/claim the dubs players don't work ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?

It is supposed to be for both. However, as Syferus correctly points out, it is not remotely accurate. And even if the figures were somewhere close to correct (they are not), it is not a good relative indicator. Games cost money (travel, hotels, etc) - teams do not all have the same number in any given year, and not all teams travel similar distances. Training costs money - teams do not all stay in the championship for the same length of time, and not all have the exact same number of players claiming mileage costs.
Knowing from personal experience how an intercounty team sources money for it's needs, there is no way an accurate report could be put together. So much of it comes under the table from differing sources. Often with no county board knowledge.

Posters here need to stop quoting these figures. They are nonsense, pure and simple.

In a nutshell.

"They're not remotely accurate".

Yet nobody has explained how or why.

Unsupported statements are not arguments.

You'd think people would know this from even a cursory following of politics.

You can choose to disagree with me, or just not believe me if you wish. There is no way in the world I am going to post detailed information on an anonymous message board. But I know from my own personal experience that one of those figures above is at least 30% lower than the reality. If that one figure that I have knowledge on is so far off the mark then what should I expect of the rest? Do you really think that the author of the piece that accompanied that graphic has detailed info on all the money that county teams spent? It was based on county board published figures. i.e, what the county board's spent. There are benefactors ploughing money in to many counties. Some known, some not known. I have seen this first hand. Much of that money is not accounted for above. Either you know this, but are clinging to it to back your argument, or you are extremely naive.

Gemma?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 12, 2018, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: shark on September 12, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 12, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
I have seen that Graph before but nobody could answer this, is this per team (football) or both the Adult Male senior teams in Football and Hurling combined?

It is supposed to be for both. However, as Syferus correctly points out, it is not remotely accurate. And even if the figures were somewhere close to correct (they are not), it is not a good relative indicator. Games cost money (travel, hotels, etc) - teams do not all have the same number in any given year, and not all teams travel similar distances. Training costs money - teams do not all stay in the championship for the same length of time, and not all have the exact same number of players claiming mileage costs.
Knowing from personal experience how an intercounty team sources money for it's needs, there is no way an accurate report could be put together. So much of it comes under the table from differing sources. Often with no county board knowledge.

Posters here need to stop quoting these figures. They are nonsense, pure and simple.

In a nutshell.

"They're not remotely accurate".

Yet nobody has explained how or why.

Unsupported statements are not arguments.

You'd think people would know this from even a cursory following of politics.

You can choose to disagree with me, or just not believe me if you wish. There is no way in the world I am going to post detailed information on an anonymous message board. But I know from my own personal experience that one of those figures above is at least 30% lower than the reality. If that one figure that I have knowledge on is so far off the mark then what should I expect of the rest? Do you really think that the author of the piece that accompanied that graphic has detailed info on all the money that county teams spent? It was based on county board published figures. i.e, what the county board's spent. There are benefactors ploughing money in to many counties. Some known, some not known. I have seen this first hand. Much of that money is not accounted for above. Either you know this, but are clinging to it to back your argument, or you are extremely naive.

Gemma?

Yes it's a massive conspiracy. Many counties are paying managers too. Would you believe it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

You missed a fact.

Dublin are the only professional team playing against amatuer teams.
Please don't expect me to take you seriously when you attempt to debate in a Trump-style manner.

;D You can't even attempt to argue against the facts I've presented.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 12, 2018, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments and inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

If other counties are cooking the books as you say, then their expenditure in this graph is being underestimated, which makes it look even worse for them and better for Dublin.

Trying to take one aspect (and out of context at that) because you know well my post rubbishes the 'narrative destoryer' that you billed that old .jpg as. My post stands well enough as is.
The fact is that the Dublin football team work harder than any other team in Ireland. Only Mayo come anywhere close.

Alan Brogan is 100% correct on this.

OK, I'll bite.  Can you provide ANYTHING resembling evidence of this?
i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

;D  This is clearly a piss take.

"The Queen is the hardest working woman in Britain."

"Why?"

"Cos she has the most money."

You haven't addressed or attempted to dispute the four facts I've advanced.

I wonder why that is, actually, I'm only pulling your leg, of course I know.

It's because you know they are true and can't argue against them.

Give me a shout when you've got an ACTUAL fact (with some evidence).  Cheers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2018, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:32:39 PM

i) The fact that Dublin players run harder, faster and longer than opposition players.
ii) The fact that Dublin players are able to take hits better than opposition players.
iii) The fact that Dublin players are more skilful than opposition players.
iv) The fact that Dublin have more advanced tactics than other teams.

The evidence is staring you in the face, really.

You missed a fact.

Dublin are the only professional team playing against amatuer teams.

That's true. How could Dublin people forget/claim the dubs players don't work ::) ::) ::) ::)

Anything to say on the 2.5 million average pumped into Dublin underage structures?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: AZOffaly on September 12, 2018, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
On the 2017 spending list, I was surprised to see Limerick up in fifth place with €1.148 million.

Limerick played a grand total of four games in the 2017 senior championships - two hurling and two football - the lowest it's possible to play.

Yet there they are up in fifth place. €1.148 million is serious spending considering the teams' lack of success.

Now, as we all know, Limerick went on to win the 2018 All-Ireland hurling championship in superb style, playing eight games along the way.

So when the 2018 list is published, we can expect a hefty increase in Limerick's spending total for this year from the already hefty spending from the unsuccessful 2017.

Can we expect the usual suspects to thus claim that Limerick bought the All-Ireland?

Or does that spurious claim only apply to teams the usual suspects don't like, like Dublin?

Limerick DID buy the All Ireland. Everyone knows JP has been ploughing money into Limerick for years. The Academy structure in Limerick hurling is second to none. I suspect the reason people aren't more exercised about it is twofold.

1 - They've just won one. If they go on to destroy the competition largely because of the vast amounts invested, then it will be raised.
2 - It's HIS money. He can do what he likes with it. The GAA didn't suddenly decide they "need" a strong Limerick and plough millions of Central funds into their games development.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:50:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 12, 2018, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
On the 2017 spending list, I was surprised to see Limerick up in fifth place with €1.148 million.

Limerick played a grand total of four games in the 2017 senior championships - two hurling and two football - the lowest it's possible to play.

Yet there they are up in fifth place. €1.148 million is serious spending considering the teams' lack of success.

Now, as we all know, Limerick went on to win the 2018 All-Ireland hurling championship in superb style, playing eight games along the way.

So when the 2018 list is published, we can expect a hefty increase in Limerick's spending total for this year from the already hefty spending from the unsuccessful 2017.

Can we expect the usual suspects to thus claim that Limerick bought the All-Ireland?

Or does that spurious claim only apply to teams the usual suspects don't like, like Dublin?

Limerick DID buy the All Ireland. Everyone knows JP has been ploughing money into Limerick for years. The Academy structure in Limerick hurling is second to none. I suspect the reason people aren't more exercised about it is twofold.

1 - They've just won one. If they go on to destroy the competition largely because of the vast amounts invested, then it will be raised.
2 - It's HIS money. He can do what he likes with it. The GAA didn't suddenly decide they "need" a strong Limerick and plough millions of Central funds into their games development.

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 12, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w620/GAA%20costs.png)

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments, inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training. Being a Dublin player or manager also brings with it significant financial rewards from sponsorship opportunities, increasing player retention and value to the individual beyond what other counties' personnel will ever have access to.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money given to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

How come figure where Dublin don't spend the most money are dismissed out of hand but other figures are accepted without question
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
Maybe because the grant money is officially announced by the GAA itself and is traceable? :o
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 12, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:50:08 PM

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 12, 2018, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 12, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:50:08 PM

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

The population of Dublin and the money it gets are a bit different too..

There is literally zero Dublin posters here willing to give an inch to the truth of the situation we now find ourselves in. That lack of grá for the well-being of the GAA itself above short term personal profit is frankly embarrassing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
 ;D It's everybody against the poor Dubs. They're getting treated worse than the blacks in the deep south of America. Why won't anyone give them a break? Or hang on a minute. Haven't Dublin being given millions of all of our money for over a decade? Haven't their footballers played every championship game at home bar 1 for over a decade? Haven't they had access to state of the art training facilities paid for by all of us? Haven't they been using one of the biggest stadiums in Europe as their home which was also paid for by all of us?

That makes it hilarious that the Dubs are playing the victims when they've been handed everything on a plate! Spoilt and entitled!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 13, 2018, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 12, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:50:08 PM

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.
Spot on.

The utter refusal to deal with the fact that Dublin have the best, most dedicated players in the land, and that many people at grass roots level worked their collective bolloxes off to develop not just those players but to put their clubs at the heart of urban communities,  shows a mindset which which is staggering in its myopia.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on September 13, 2018, 03:28:23 AM
found this informative well balanced article (2016) from former Kerry player Mike Quirke about Games Promotion Officers at the time (now Games Development Administrators) and funding relating to Dublin, worth reading in my opinion.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/we-can-all-take-lessons-from-dublin-winning-blueprint-403728.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/we-can-all-take-lessons-from-dublin-winning-blueprint-403728.html)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 13, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
Firstly he mentions bricks and mortar but conveniently skips over why Dublin don't do this. Secondly everyone here is acutely aware of the benefit of GDOs.

Quotet
Their work within schools and clubs, although unheralded, has also helped funnel elite younger players towards their development squads where they start to focus on playing together in the Dublin jersey

So since you think this is a wonderful article then you agree with this point about how the millions of GAA has helped the Dublin Senior football team! 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 13, 2018, 07:32:09 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 13, 2018, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 12, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:50:08 PM

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.
Spot on.

The utter refusal to deal with the fact that Dublin have the best, most dedicated players in the land, and that many people at grass roots level worked their collective bolloxes off to develop not just those players but to put their clubs at the heart of urban communities,  shows a mindset which which is staggering in its myopia.

Childishly repeating it doesn't make it true.  It just makes you look a bit silly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Franko on September 13, 2018, 07:33:34 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 13, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
Firstly he mentions bricks and mortar but conveniently skips over why Dublin don't do this. Secondly everyone here is acutely aware of the benefit of GDOs.

Quotet
Their work within schools and clubs, although unheralded, has also helped funnel elite younger players towards their development squads where they start to focus on playing together in the Dublin jersey

So since you think this is a wonderful article then you agree with this point about how the millions of GAA has helped the Dublin Senior football team!

;D

Cracking self-own.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 13, 2018, 07:55:28 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 12, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2018, 04:50:08 PM

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.
Spot on. The dubs have always been disliked by their country cousins and alot of people took great delight in their losing. Unfortunately for them the dubs have become so successful they can't laugh at them any more so instead they fire out rumour/innuendo and complete lies on the internet to try and belittle this team's achievements
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
Ahhh so they didn't get all that money, they don't all get a new car every 6 months, they don't get most of their Championship games at home,.......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 13, 2018, 10:27:10 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.

There is a nasty element among their support, of course there are many decent fans as well but, the failure to even acknowledge any financial assistance in their current senior football teams dominance and improvements elsewhere is really strange. This is not a conspiracy theory, the money they received is real. Let me just post the actual Dublin county board accounts from 2016 again:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wbvtk4.jpg)



I think some of the nastiness that comes from Dublin supporters is out of a form of guilt. They obviously know about the money, deep down they know that their recent All Ireland run for example, has been bought. It's difficult to face up to this so they've attempted to convince themselves that it's all myth, it's all lies, this all comes from hard work and a one of bunch of players etc. With this they also lash out, especially at counties like Mayo. This is because they know they've robbed them of All Ireland's, it's some form of physiological response, a study should be done on it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 13, 2018, 10:57:33 AM
so 2.8 million from central council

and 57,000 from fundraising
they must have the worst fundraising setup in the country

even the Longford county board can fundraise more than that!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2018, 11:09:21 AM
Longford CB had to because Central GAA don't give them bucket loads "because the GAA needs a strong Longford"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 13, 2018, 10:27:10 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.

There is a nasty element among their support, of course there are many decent fans as well but, the failure to even acknowledge any financial assistance in their current senior football teams dominance and improvements elsewhere is really strange. This is not a conspiracy theory, the money they received is real. Let me just post the actual Dublin county board accounts from 2016 again:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wbvtk4.jpg)



I think some of the nastiness that comes from Dublin supporters is out of a form of guilt. They obviously know about the money, deep down they know that their recent All Ireland run for example, has been bought. It's difficult to face up to this so they've attempted to convince themselves that it's all myth, it's all lies, this all comes from hard work and a one of bunch of players etc. With this they also lash out, especially at counties like Mayo. This is because they know they've robbed them of All Ireland's, it's some form of physiological response, a study should be done on it.

Not as much belittling other counties though.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 13, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
Not as much belittling other counties though.

You mean they don't belittle other counties as well? I think they do. Especially when the whole financial irregularities are pointed out. They can't argue against facts so they pick on the county the person is from and attempt to belittle them. They also like to go on personal attacks. It's all apart of the guilt complex they have. I don't know, it must be their way of dealing with it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on September 13, 2018, 01:25:23 PM
Regarding Bricks and Mortar,

Dubs in the rough over closure of Spawell golf centre in Templeogue
September 9 2018

More than 900 people have signed a petition calling for Dublin GAA not to close a golf facility, including a pitch-and-putt course and driving range, that forms part of a commercial complex it bought last year for more than €9m.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50390ea6-b38d-11e8-a565-f2666ba9742c
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 16, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
Dublin ladies retain All Ireland........Just saying!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 17, 2018, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 13, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
Firstly he mentions bricks and mortar but conveniently skips over why Dublin don't do this. Secondly everyone here is acutely aware of the benefit of GDOs.

Quotet
Their work within schools and clubs, although unheralded, has also helped funnel elite younger players towards their development squads where they start to focus on playing together in the Dublin jersey

So since you think this is a wonderful article then you agree with this point about how the millions of GAA has helped the Dublin Senior football team!
Simply incorrect.
The team managers, almost always a parent, select the best 6 or 8 lads to go to the trials. The one time I went along it was run by Stephen O'Shaughnessy, with a number of other ex-Dub volunteers helping him. Numbers are then whittled down every time a subsequent trial is run, until a certain number is reached that will play games.
No involvement from the GDOs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 17, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.
As without doubt the biggest rivals of the Dublin team, of course the fans are going to take the most joy out of beating our biggest rivals. We've two very painful defeats in recent memory also to add to that and plenty say they have memories of Mayo fans shoving it to them in the aftermath of those games. (Not me, I might add).

But "belittling" is nonsense in my opinion. Plenty of other fans from other counties seem to take great joy in belittling Mayo's achievements when they lose a final but Dubs fans know exactly how good Mayo have been in recent years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2018, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.
As without doubt the biggest rivals of the Dublin team, of course the fans are going to take the most joy out of beating our biggest rivals. We've two very painful defeats in recent memory also to add to that and plenty say they have memories of Mayo fans shoving it to them in the aftermath of those games. (Not me, I might add).

But "belittling" is nonsense in my opinion. Plenty of other fans from other counties seem to take great joy in belittling Mayo's achievements when they lose a final but Dubs fans know exactly how good Mayo have been in recent years.

Oh, spare us all the magnanimous winners nonsense. Dublin GAA executed a coordinated hit job on Lee Keegan before one of those finals ffs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 17, 2018, 01:22:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2018, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.
As without doubt the biggest rivals of the Dublin team, of course the fans are going to take the most joy out of beating our biggest rivals. We've two very painful defeats in recent memory also to add to that and plenty say they have memories of Mayo fans shoving it to them in the aftermath of those games. (Not me, I might add).

But "belittling" is nonsense in my opinion. Plenty of other fans from other counties seem to take great joy in belittling Mayo's achievements when they lose a final but Dubs fans know exactly how good Mayo have been in recent years.

Oh, spare us all the magnanimous winners nonsense. Dublin GAA executed a coordinated hit job on Lee Keegan before one of those finals ffs.
Awesome!
No relevance whatsover to the post, but hats off, that's awesome nonsense. What about the mask has slipped? You haven't used that in at least a couple of days. You're not fooling anyone  ;D

In fairness, it's probably a long time since you passed up the chance to be a magnanimous winner against Mayo, and you couldn't even belittle them for coming second this year. Get stuck in.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 19, 2018, 12:58:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2018, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2018, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.
As without doubt the biggest rivals of the Dublin team, of course the fans are going to take the most joy out of beating our biggest rivals. We've two very painful defeats in recent memory also to add to that and plenty say they have memories of Mayo fans shoving it to them in the aftermath of those games. (Not me, I might add).

But "belittling" is nonsense in my opinion. Plenty of other fans from other counties seem to take great joy in belittling Mayo's achievements when they lose a final but Dubs fans know exactly how good Mayo have been in recent years.

Oh, spare us all the magnanimous winners nonsense. Dublin GAA executed a coordinated hit job on Lee Keegan before one of those finals ffs.

A couple of pundits is Dublin GAA.

Swings and rounds..... Horan 2012 springs to mind.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 19, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
Like him or love him you have got to admire Ewan McKenna.

Despite their insistence that he's a nobody in the eyes of Dublin GAA Fans, his ability to arise apoplexy amongst those same fans gives me great enjoyment.

If you are listening Ewan - keep up the good work.  Legend. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2018, 05:30:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2018, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 13, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
Firstly he mentions bricks and mortar but conveniently skips over why Dublin don't do this. Secondly everyone here is acutely aware of the benefit of GDOs.

Quotet
Their work within schools and clubs, although unheralded, has also helped funnel elite younger players towards their development squads where they start to focus on playing together in the Dublin jersey

So since you think this is a wonderful article then you agree with this point about how the millions of GAA has helped the Dublin Senior football team!
Simply incorrect.
The team managers, almost always a parent, select the best 6 or 8 lads to go to the trials. The one time I went along it was run by Stephen O'Shaughnessy, with a number of other ex-Dub volunteers helping him. Numbers are then whittled down every time a subsequent trial is run, until a certain number is reached that will play games.
No involvement from the GDOs.
I'd be careful here to differentiate between the elite and the run of the mill  kids who play the game for pure enjoyment and are not talented enough to play at senior level or are not prepared to put in the work needed to get on to the top team in any grade they play in.
There are a lot of kids who will ever get near intercounty standard at any level but who could could be valuable club members as they grow older and move up the various grades. It's a case of prioritising your objectives.
Regardless of which way you want to go, it's always a wise ideas to have parents involved and just as important, kids are more inclined to join a club of any sort if some of their pals are joining up also.
Sending GDOs into primary schools to persuade kids to join the local club can be a waste of time and money and I am saying this from personal experience. Of course, it helps if they know some boys already there, like brothers or pals or if parents encourage them to join. Sure, school boys may show an initial interest and may even sign up but they won't hang around for long.
For decades, primary teachers promoted Gaelic games in the school where they taught. I was one of those for almost 30 years. There was no need for GDOs as long as there were male teachers, lay or religious, working in a boys' school.
Nowadays, the number of men involved in teaching has fallen dramatically, and clubs are forced to go looking for new members.
Sending GDOs into schools is a proactive move alright but unless those sent in are already known to the kids or if there are no pals prepared to join also, be prepared for an underwhelming response.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Meanwhile in the real non financially doped GAA world
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-gaa-braced-for-audit-findings-870482.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 21, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Meanwhile in the real non financially doped GAA world
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-gaa-braced-for-audit-findings-870482.html

Even sadder

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/historic-cork-clubredmonds-set-to-shut-its-doors-870483.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/historic-cork-clubredmonds-set-to-shut-its-doors-870483.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 21, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 21, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Meanwhile in the real non financially doped GAA world
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-gaa-braced-for-audit-findings-870482.html

Even sadder

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/historic-cork-clubredmonds-set-to-shut-its-doors-870483.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/historic-cork-clubredmonds-set-to-shut-its-doors-870483.html)

Sure the ostriches don't care.

That's a real shame.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 21, 2018, 12:18:06 PM
Sounds like a mismanagement of financial affairs in Galway.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 21, 2018, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Meanwhile in the real non financially doped GAA world
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-gaa-braced-for-audit-findings-870482.html

If people are keeping the cash from gate receipts for 3 months without lodging it, that's serious mismanagement and nothing to do with fianancial doping. If they are so disorganised that it takes 3 months to do something so basic and straight forward as lodge money to the bank then what else has been going on. No wonder they conducted the audit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: CJ2017 on September 21, 2018, 12:38:08 PM


Philly McMahon believes inter-county players should receive financial backing as the demands on their time continues to soar.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/290582 (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/290582)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jinxy on September 21, 2018, 12:48:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Meanwhile in the real non financially doped GAA world
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-gaa-braced-for-audit-findings-870482.html

Hopefully it's just incompetence...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2018, 12:48:16 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Meanwhile in the real non financially doped GAA world
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-gaa-braced-for-audit-findings-870482.html

Hopefully it's just incompetence...
Indeed.
I presume in time we'll have full time Financial officers in Counties or groups of Counties with Central GAA paying their salaries?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 08:54:55 AM
QuoteDublin set-up is the exact same as every other county' - Philly McMahon

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html)

Trump would be proud of Dublin GAA!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 24, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 08:54:55 AM
QuoteDublin set-up is the exact same as every other county' - Philly McMahon

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html)

Trump would be proud of Dublin GAA!

Headline hunting now Dinny (Ewan)

I actually don't know where... If you talk about expenses we get the same as everyone else, and probably less because we don't have to travel that far. I don't see where the money is going, for me. And I guarantee you if you went into any county set-up the resources are probably very similar. You'll have a strength and conditioning coach, a nutritionist, a psychologist, a medical team, a tactical team.

"Just go through Stephen Cluxton's speech and ask other county teams have they got that? Because they have. There is very little difference.


He's right, of the top teams anyway.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 24, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 08:54:55 AM
QuoteDublin set-up is the exact same as every other county' - Philly McMahon

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html)

Trump would be proud of Dublin GAA!

Headline hunting now Dinny (Ewan)

I actually don't know where... If you talk about expenses we get the same as everyone else, and probably less because we don't have to travel that far. I don't see where the money is going, for me. And I guarantee you if you went into any county set-up the resources are probably very similar. You'll have a strength and conditioning coach, a nutritionist, a psychologist, a medical team, a tactical team.

"Just go through Stephen Cluxton's speech and ask other county teams have they got that? Because they have. There is very little difference.


He's right, of the top teams anyway.

No once you exclude travel expenses are Dublin spending more than every other county, so he's not right of the top teams!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 24, 2018, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 24, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 08:54:55 AM
QuoteDublin set-up is the exact same as every other county' - Philly McMahon

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-setup-is-the-exact-same-as-every-other-county-philly-mcmahon-37346862.html)

Trump would be proud of Dublin GAA!

Headline hunting now Dinny (Ewan)

I actually don't know where... If you talk about expenses we get the same as everyone else, and probably less because we don't have to travel that far. I don't see where the money is going, for me. And I guarantee you if you went into any county set-up the resources are probably very similar. You'll have a strength and conditioning coach, a nutritionist, a psychologist, a medical team, a tactical team.

"Just go through Stephen Cluxton's speech and ask other county teams have they got that? Because they have. There is very little difference.


He's right, of the top teams anyway.

No once you exclude travel expenses are Dublin spending more than every other county, so he's not right of the top teams!

Sorry I don't know what you mean. He says his personal expenses are less due to non travel is what I think I am reading.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 09:59:19 AM
€ for € I can guarantee Dublin spend more on their backroom team than every other county in Ireland. It's where money actually has an affect, so to equate " I can guarantee you if you went into any county set-up the resources are probably very similar. You'll have a strength and conditioning coach, a nutritionist, a psychologist, a medical team, a tactical team" is just disingenuous bollix.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 24, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2018, 09:59:19 AM
€ for € I can guarantee Dublin spend more on their backroom team than every other county in Ireland. It's where money actually has an affect, so to equate " I can guarantee you if you went into any county set-up the resources are probably very similar. You'll have a strength and conditioning coach, a nutritionist, a psychologist, a medical team, a tactical team" is just disingenuous bollix.

In Your opinion.

Thee top teams have them, if it costs Dublin more to get them which is probably does then that's a Dublin issue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on September 24, 2018, 10:44:26 AM
Move on everybody, it's time to focus your energies on splitting Ballygunner.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 08, 2018, 10:32:47 AM
Rules are only for the little Counties

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/four-counties-get-home-ban-for-breaching-training-camp-rules-but-dublin-escape-37504799.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: westbound on November 08, 2018, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 08, 2018, 10:32:47 AM
Rules are only for the little Counties

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/four-counties-get-home-ban-for-breaching-training-camp-rules-but-dublin-escape-37504799.html

'a historical pursuit'   ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on November 08, 2018, 11:54:06 AM
Absolutely farcical!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 08, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
 >:(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on November 08, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
Haha, more obsession, stalking and jealousy.

Funny stuff gents.

Have a great evening.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: northsideboy on November 08, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/how-dublins-footballers-found-inspiration-and-perspective-in-the-green-fields-of-france-866047.html
Dosen't sound like a training session to me, but perhaps seeing how an earlier generation of young men were caught up in a teriible event. Time to grow up and stop being petty.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippabu on November 08, 2018, 04:11:28 PM
I was fairly certain dublin played  club championship games in april? what have they actually done wrong or rule broken?

edit: training camps....nevermind.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on November 08, 2018, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: northsideboy on November 08, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/how-dublins-footballers-found-inspiration-and-perspective-in-the-green-fields-of-france-866047.html
Dosen't sound like a training session to me, but perhaps seeing how an earlier generation of young men were caught up in a teriible event. Time to grow up and stop being petty.

They will be sewing Poppies onto their geansaí next.  :D

In fairness though it's a far cry from some of the other teams going to "bond" in resorts famous for their warm weather training facilities.

/Jim.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on November 08, 2018, 04:27:35 PM
Quote from: northsideboy on November 08, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/how-dublins-footballers-found-inspiration-and-perspective-in-the-green-fields-of-france-866047.html
Dosen't sound like a training session to me, but perhaps seeing how an earlier generation of young men were caught up in a teriible event. Time to grow up and stop being petty.

Yes, the Dublin GAA Historical Society on an outing. That's all it was.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 08, 2018, 04:43:36 PM
And sure the lads were only taking all them Subarus for a rest drive.... ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on November 08, 2018, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 08, 2018, 04:43:36 PM
And sure the lads were only taking all them Subarus for a rest drive.... ;)

There's one less Subaru down Roscommon way this week.  Maybe Roscommon County Board will replace it?

/Jim.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on November 09, 2018, 07:05:49 AM
Team bonding is training
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on November 09, 2018, 07:21:45 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2018, 07:05:49 AM
Team bonding is training
Maybe so Larry, but that's not the rule.

17 counties were investigated for trips taken. 13 of the trips were found not to have broken any rules. One of the 13 was Dublin. But it seems some people haven't manage to get their fill of whinging in for 2018 yet, so work away lads!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 09, 2018, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: Hound on November 09, 2018, 07:21:45 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 09, 2018, 07:05:49 AM
Team bonding is training
Maybe so Larry, but that's not the rule.

17 counties were investigated for trips taken. 13 of the trips were found not to have broken any rules. One of the 13 was Dublin. But it seems some people haven't manage to get their fill of whinging in for 2018 yet, so work away lads!

One of the 13 was Tyrone. The club games were all moved forward to a Friday night that weekend and the county players played. They then met up on the Saturday and went away for a night. I'm not sure if it broke the rule but it certainly shouldn't have been penalised and was different to the Dubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 09, 2018, 10:54:50 AM
(http://jpattitude.com/IHTM/AnimalFarm.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 15, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
Surprise surprise >:(

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/home-comforts-will-continue-on-the-double-for-dubs-next-year-37530481.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on November 15, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
Surprise surprise >:(

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/home-comforts-will-continue-on-the-double-for-dubs-next-year-37530481.html

The drive for 5 is so on.

Enter The Grate-est stage left...have a good day  8)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 24, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
Must be an election coming.
Ring giving Prenty a lorry load of €€€€€s to build a big shed.
I don't suppose our Co Sec had the gumption to ask Ring and Leo for anything when they were hob nobbing around Carrick yesterday.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 30, 2018, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
They get well looked after in Dublin
Jobs, gear, gyms, food, clothes, cars
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even have one lad doing trials!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

Some of them.Dublin lads had trials before Dublin success in 2011 and didn't pursue professional career . A lot of the younger players wouldn't be suited to Aussie Rules. There are no professional players in Dublin set up. Yes they get perks but none  are paid. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

None of the Mayo lads have any perks/cars etc?

Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 10:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

None of the Mayo lads have any perks/cars etc?

Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer

And we won't be spending much this year either following Dads Army.  There will be plenty of money in Mayo this Christmas and next Christmas!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
As long Mayo GAA keep coming down to Dublin every Christmas and spending their money down here, that's good enough.

All the culchies head back down the country so every penny counts!!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
As long Mayo GAA keep coming down to Dublin every Christmas and spending their money down here, that's good enough.

All the culchies head back down the country so every penny counts!!!

If a Mayo GAA function is in Dublin. It's not mayo money paying for it. ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mayoman dan on December 01, 2018, 02:03:34 PM


Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer
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Doubt you had to spend much either....ya know seen as ye get more home games than everyone else

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 01, 2018, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

None of the Mayo lads have any perks/cars etc?

Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer
Did you get outside the M50 all summer?

It's a scary world out there
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on December 01, 2018, 02:03:34 PM


Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer

Doubt you had to spend much either....ya know seen as ye get more home games than everyone else
[/quote]

It's expensive following the dubs. They always reach the finals in league All Ireland and then the added expense of celebrating All Irelands
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 01, 2018, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

None of the Mayo lads have any perks/cars etc?

Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer
Did you get outside the M50 all summer?

It's a scary world out there
On the contrary I find most people are friendly and polite. Maybe you need to look at yourself and your behaviour if you think the world is such a frightening place
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 02, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 01, 2018, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 30, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

None of the Mayo lads have any perks/cars etc?

Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer
Did you get outside the M50 all summer?

It's a scary world out there
On the contrary I find most people are friendly and polite. Maybe you need to look at yourself and your behaviour if you think the world is such a frightening place
Not really
I'm still waiting to see the gaa invest a bit of money into schools gaa and small clubs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 03, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
This thread still going, latest gripe I( of course from a Mayo fan) only one Dublin player trials for Aussie Rules.

Couldn't make it up...

:D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 03, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 03, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
This thread still going, latest gripe I( of course from a Mayo fan) only one Dublin player trials for Aussie Rules.

Couldn't make it up...

:D

Yeah you could not make it up, they know where the real gravy train is anymore.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 04, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on December 01, 2018, 02:03:34 PM


Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer

Doubt you had to spend much either....ya know seen as ye get more home games than everyone else

It's expensive following the dubs. They always reach the finals in league All Ireland and then the added expense of celebrating All Irelands
[/quote]

Always? No they don't.

You have more or less admitted in writing that you've jumped on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 05, 2018, 07:59:22 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on December 01, 2018, 02:03:34 PM


Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer

Doubt you had to spend much either....ya know seen as ye get more home games than everyone else

It's expensive following the dubs. They always reach the finals in league All Ireland and then the added expense of celebrating All Irelands
[/quote]
only when the GAA and government funded the Dublin gaa machine and forgot about the counties meant to compete with them
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on December 05, 2018, 09:18:26 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 30, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 30, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Was looking at this article. No one from Dublin with all it's wealth of young talent feels there is a need to try their hand at the Aussie game?

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs (http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/293096?fbclid=IwAR31Vc7NpjWJYoanPhoj7Urqw4ez60G3y7_TlRzjX5P7KbCgWCXjSLWekZs)
Read it again.James Madden from Ballyboden signed for Brisbane.

One! Feck sake Leitrim even heric ave one lad doing trials!

Over the years Kevin Devine, Sean McGuinness, Declan O'Mahony, Karl Dias, Brian and David Stynes have played Aussie Rules.Ciaran Kilkenny played for a couple months but was homesick. Jack McCaffrey was over for a trial but wasn't interested in pursing a career in Oz. Eric Lowndes, Kevin Nolan, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Cormac Costello, Gavin Burke, Shane Carthy and Niall Scully would had trials at various stages.

From your list and the list in the Article, it looks like Aussie Rule option has faded as a decent option for the young Dublin footballer in comparison to being a professional sportsman in their home town?

Right, I will bite. Which Dublin players are professional? You know, make their living by playing for Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 05, 2018, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: mup on December 04, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on December 01, 2018, 02:03:34 PM


Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer

Doubt you had to spend much either....ya know seen as ye get more home games than everyone else

It's expensive following the dubs. They always reach the finals in league All Ireland and then the added expense of celebrating All Irelands

Always? No they don't.

You have more or less admitted in writing that you've jumped on the bandwagon.
[/quote]

Well in the last 4 years it's been league final and All Ireland final. I didn't realise when you talk about current spending you expected Dublin fans to go back 5 years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on December 06, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 05, 2018, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: mup on December 04, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 02, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on December 01, 2018, 02:03:34 PM


Did you go to the Mayo gaa team dinner in the Shelbourne hotel in DUBLIN last week? It's not like you had to spend much money following the team this summer

Doubt you had to spend much either....ya know seen as ye get more home games than everyone else

It's expensive following the dubs. They always reach the finals in league All Ireland and then the added expense of celebrating All Irelands

Always? No they don't.

You have more or less admitted in writing that you've jumped on the bandwagon.

Well in the last 4 years it's been league final and All Ireland final. I didn't realise when you talk about current spending you expected Dublin fans to go back 5 years.
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And being a dual fan, its quite expensive, plenty of days out and Dublin is one of the most expensive Cities in the world. I always spend a few bob on matches home or away.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Joe Mc Nallys Ballsack on December 06, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 09, 2018, 10:54:50 AM
(http://jpattitude.com/IHTM/AnimalFarm.jpg)

Is that the latest Kildare training session ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 26, 2018, 11:31:28 PM
Oh dear..... What will Baile Brigin think of this?!!!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-funding-to-fai-almost-50m-over-past-decade-but-little-to-show-for-it-1.3
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on December 27, 2018, 02:46:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 26, 2018, 11:31:28 PM
Oh dear..... What will Baile Brigin think of this?!!!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-funding-to-fai-almost-50m-over-past-decade-but-little-to-show-for-it-1.3

I'd say he'll think the link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on December 27, 2018, 02:46:37 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-funding-to-fai-almost-50m-over-past-decade-but-little-to-show-for-it-1.3741101 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-funding-to-fai-almost-50m-over-past-decade-but-little-to-show-for-it-1.3741101)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2018, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 27, 2018, 02:46:37 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-funding-to-fai-almost-50m-over-past-decade-but-little-to-show-for-it-1.3741101 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-funding-to-fai-almost-50m-over-past-decade-but-little-to-show-for-it-1.3741101)

This link should be in the FAI thread. Little or nothing to do with Dublin GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on January 17, 2019, 11:19:16 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-champions-dublin-to-lose-second-croke-park-super-8-game-37720782.html

I'm not sure this will make a difference?

Does the Donegal motion stop Dublin from playing in Croke Park?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
Quote from: highorlow on January 17, 2019, 11:19:16 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-champions-dublin-to-lose-second-croke-park-super-8-game-37720782.html

I'm not sure this will make a difference?

Does the Donegal motion stop Dublin from playing in Croke Park?

Very clever wording - "We're just calling for no county to be allowed to nominate Croke Park as a home venue.''

This calls the GAA's bluff as to what Dublin's relationship with Croke Park is as regards being a home venue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 12:13:09 PM
Interesting.....
If they said the Croke Park round to be  abolished and neutral Procibcial venues used  HQ would be mobilising the troops against it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 17, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

This isn't soccer. The home county doesn't get to dictate the split of the tickets. The tickets go first to season ticket holders and are then split equally between the county boards. For the super 8 game in Omagh last year Dublin were entitled to more tickets than Tyrone. Similarly Tyrone had around the same support in Ballybofey.

So although the Dubs could nominate Parnell Park they'd only get 60% of the tickets max.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on January 17, 2019, 02:49:54 PM
QuoteI would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

I would presume Louth v Dublin will be in the "nell".
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

It's a disgrace really that Dublin with all their money, don't have a decent capacity home venue!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tyrdub on January 21, 2019, 09:31:11 AM
Did the Donegal proposal that teams only get 1 game in Supers 8s at Croke Park get passed??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 21, 2019, 11:30:54 AM
That is for Congress.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 21, 2019, 02:53:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

It's a disgrace really that Dublin with all their money, don't have a decent capacity home venue!
have barely had to spend any money on a training venue
got handed the use of Abbotstown, then left as they weren't happy other teams had access to their S&C equipment
have use of DCU whenever they want
Same for UCD and Trinity training grounds
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 01, 2019, 02:42:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html
Ara here.
Picking on the poor Dubs again
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 01, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

It's a disgrace really that Dublin with all their money, don't have a decent capacity home venue!
which they would have if the GAA didnt encourage them into croker...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 01, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 01, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

It's a disgrace really that Dublin with all their money, don't have a decent capacity home venue!
which they would have if the GAA didnt encourage them into croker...
Ye are like the Brexiteers
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 01, 2019, 08:11:36 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 01, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 01, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

It's a disgrace really that Dublin with all their money, don't have a decent capacity home venue!
which they would have if the GAA didnt encourage them into croker...
Ye are like the Brexiteers
ill bite. How so?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 03, 2019, 10:25:33 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

True, but you have to admit Dublin owns the GAA. You have counties like Donegal having to be clever with wording in order to stop Dublin's double home advantage in the super 8's.

I do hope ye win the 5 in a row this year and keep going until the game is in such a mess that something has to be done. Dublin losing by some fluke this year would create a mirage that nothing is wrong with the Association.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on February 03, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
While the Dubs play their home game in Parnell Park (with 50% ticket allocation reserved for visiting supporters) rent Croke Park out for a pre season soccer game between 2 epl teams (reserves will do) to recoup any lost revenues.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 03, 2019, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 03, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
While the Dubs play their home game in Parnell Park (with 50% ticket allocation reserved for visiting supporters) rent Croke Park out for a pre season soccer game between 2 epl teams (reserves will do) to recoup any lost revenues.

Big crowd of 14,502. The Dubs were out in numbers last night! Big travelling support from Galway as well.

Division One football is where it is at. And the numbers prove it!

To big a crowd for Parnell Park.  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 03, 2019, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2019, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 03, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
While the Dubs play their home game in Parnell Park (with 50% ticket allocation reserved for visiting supporters) rent Croke Park out for a pre season soccer game between 2 epl teams (reserves will do) to recoup any lost revenues.

Big crowd of 14,502. The Dubs were out in numbers last night! Big travelling support from Galway as well.

Division One football is where it is at. And the numbers prove it!

To big a crowd for Parnell Park.  ;)
Dubs were over Southside on the bandwagon
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheMaster on February 13, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

The reality is that people are deflecting.

They say that the Dublin underage teams are not dominating. That's a straw man argument. Kids dont benefit from sports science. They are kids. They benefit from coaching and practice and only when they get to an older age does the finanical doping kick in with more analysis, more sophisticated sports science. If anything it proves the point. Dublin are not dominating because those players are not naturally the best players. They are coached and moulded into a system that makes them dominate.

Dublins game is a tightly defined system based on an athletic running game. They run and run and run with ball in hand and they will bring in a few more lads off the bench to run. They dont play a particularly stylish game though they do have a few exceptional players. They play in a tightly defined system. They in the main wear you down by sheer athleticism and a deep bench and each player playing a role. Throw in a few reliable free takers and its a template that can take even average or below average kids and win games. Plenty of Dublin players were not underage stars. Brian Fenton was playing Junior B for example. They will analyse a Defensive system like tyrones and systematically take it apart. That system takes resources, analaysis, and lots and lots of money.

You would never see a Gooch play for Dublin for example. A scrawny skillfull player. He just wouldnt fit the template.

Dublin Football had a tradition. Add in the finanical doping and they have dominated Leinster and then the All Ireland. This will continue. One or two traditional counties will give them a game but will eventually be burnt off and Football will be over.

Dublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938. Yet were able to compete from a zero base with enormous financial resources being pumped in brining in outside Counties managers. However Hurling relies much more than football on skill rather than athleticism.

As the coaching improves and the current generation of players turn the corner into coaches then Dublin will have tradition and in another ten years will probably come to Dominate Hurling in the Same way.

The reality is the full time administrators are Dubs and will prioritise their own county and it wont change and they wont care.Throw in the fact they play most of their games at home and it generates money then Dublin are basically a home town team soaking up all the money around

It doesnt detract that they have good players or a good manager or hard working back room team.

But it does detract from the sport and from fair play. Most fair weather fans dont care. And they have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyone who actually cares about the game and its long term survival does.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 13, 2019, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

Except this one is publicised. It's not the Dubs such as yourself who's at fault. It's the association itself for giving to Dublin, all the rest of us want is a bit of financial fair play.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tatler Jack on February 13, 2019, 10:27:58 PM
QuoteDublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938.

Dublin reached the 1961 AI hurling final - lost to Tipp.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 13, 2019, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: TheMaster on February 13, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

The reality is that people are deflecting.

They say that the Dublin underage teams are not dominating. That's a straw man argument. Kids dont benefit from sports science. They are kids. They benefit from coaching and practice and only when they get to an older age does the finanical doping kick in with more analysis, more sophisticated sports science. If anything it proves the point. Dublin are not dominating because those players are not naturally the best players. They are coached and moulded into a system that makes them dominate.

Dublins game is a tightly defined system based on an athletic running game. They run and run and run with ball in hand and they will bring in a few more lads off the bench to run. They dont play a particularly stylish game though they do have a few exceptional players. They play in a tightly defined system. They in the main wear you down by sheer athleticism and a deep bench and each player playing a role. Throw in a few reliable free takers and its a template that can take even average or below average kids and win games. Plenty of Dublin players were not underage stars. Brian Fenton was playing Junior B for example. They will analyse a Defensive system like tyrones and systematically take it apart. That system takes resources, analaysis, and lots and lots of money.

You would never see a Gooch play for Dublin for example. A scrawny skillfull player. He just wouldnt fit the template.

Dublin Football had a tradition. Add in the finanical doping and they have dominated Leinster and then the All Ireland. This will continue. One or two traditional counties will give them a game but will eventually be burnt off and Football will be over.

Dublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938. Yet were able to compete from a zero base with enormous financial resources being pumped in brining in outside Counties managers. However Hurling relies much more than football on skill rather than athleticism.

As the coaching improves and the current generation of players turn the corner into coaches then Dublin will have tradition and in another ten years will probably come to Dominate Hurling in the Same way.

The reality is the full time administrators are Dubs and will prioritise their own county and it wont change and they wont care.Throw in the fact they play most of their games at home and it generates money then Dublin are basically a home town team soaking up all the money around

It doesnt detract that they have good players or a good manager or hard working back room team.

But it does detract from the sport and from fair play. Most fair weather fans dont care. And they have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyone who actually cares about the game and its long term survival does.
That's a five-star post!
It's not just that I am agree with you (or are a jealous culchie or whatever!); figures speak for themselves and Ewan McKenna, Brolly, O'Rourke and other high profile journos are telling the reality as they see it.
THere are quite a few genuine Dub supporters here and they don't honestly know what the fuss is all about. After all, Kerry, and Kilkenny in hurling, had unprecedented spells of success and no one is complaining about them so why begrudge Dublin who just happens to have a once-in-a-lifetime team etc. etc.
According to govt. Sources, (Simon Coveney, last April) Dublin now has over one third of the republic's population and, crucially, half of its resources. He population is projected to pass the halfway mark by 2040 and still GAA HQ see no cause for alarm.
Problem is that Dublin = 35% of the population down south. Of course, the GAA needs to have Dublin pulling in the crowds but it takes two to tango and unless Dublin has worthwhile opposition, the general public won't pay to see an endless procession of worthless victories by the DUblin assembly belt.
Kerry and probably Mayo will possibly edge an AI or two once in a while but as time goes by, the gap between Dublin and the rest will continue to widen and there will be no possibility of any other team in the land going toe to toe with Dublin for any period of time.
I don't blame the genuine Dub fans, here or elsewhere, it's not Dublin's fault that they enjoy massive superiority in so many ways. It's up to other counties to object to the blatant discrimination where development funds is concerned.
I am sick of moaners. There is no point in highlighting obvious discrimination and then going all meekly with what's on offer.
The super 8s is a case in point. It can never be a success- financial or otherwise. It's not possible to have 8 top class sides at any time and most most games will be meaningless and, to cap it all, the club scene is being badly compromised because of even less weekends available for club competitions.
It's possible to fiddle about with rule changes as if a new brand of sticking plaster could keep the Titanic afloat! There's a domino effect here and HQ won't or can't see the obvious problems that exist. So Dublin ramps up its production line and other counties will attempt to keep pace= Kerry, Mayo and a few others at best.
Then other counties down the pecking order will realise that not alone Dublin but their closest rivals also, will be virtually odds-on certs to hammer all others and the feeling of inevitably grows and the paying public switches off.
Two tier competition? Anyone thinking that this is a panacea of any sort should remember what happened to the Tommy Murphy competition.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on February 15, 2019, 06:58:54 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 13, 2019, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: TheMaster on February 13, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

The reality is that people are deflecting.

They say that the Dublin underage teams are not dominating. That's a straw man argument. Kids dont benefit from sports science. They are kids. They benefit from coaching and practice and only when they get to an older age does the finanical doping kick in with more analysis, more sophisticated sports science. If anything it proves the point. Dublin are not dominating because those players are not naturally the best players. They are coached and moulded into a system that makes them dominate.

Dublins game is a tightly defined system based on an athletic running game. They run and run and run with ball in hand and they will bring in a few more lads off the bench to run. They dont play a particularly stylish game though they do have a few exceptional players. They play in a tightly defined system. They in the main wear you down by sheer athleticism and a deep bench and each player playing a role. Throw in a few reliable free takers and its a template that can take even average or below average kids and win games. Plenty of Dublin players were not underage stars. Brian Fenton was playing Junior B for example. They will analyse a Defensive system like tyrones and systematically take it apart. That system takes resources, analaysis, and lots and lots of money.

You would never see a Gooch play for Dublin for example. A scrawny skillfull player. He just wouldnt fit the template.

Dublin Football had a tradition. Add in the finanical doping and they have dominated Leinster and then the All Ireland. This will continue. One or two traditional counties will give them a game but will eventually be burnt off and Football will be over.

Dublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938. Yet were able to compete from a zero base with enormous financial resources being pumped in brining in outside Counties managers. However Hurling relies much more than football on skill rather than athleticism.

As the coaching improves and the current generation of players turn the corner into coaches then Dublin will have tradition and in another ten years will probably come to Dominate Hurling in the Same way.

The reality is the full time administrators are Dubs and will prioritise their own county and it wont change and they wont care.Throw in the fact they play most of their games at home and it generates money then Dublin are basically a home town team soaking up all the money around

It doesnt detract that they have good players or a good manager or hard working back room team.

But it does detract from the sport and from fair play. Most fair weather fans dont care. And they have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyone who actually cares about the game and its long term survival does.
That's a five-star post!
It's not just that I am agree with you (or are a jealous culchie or whatever!); figures speak for themselves and Ewan McKenna, Brolly, O'Rourke and other high profile journos are telling the reality as they see it.
THere are quite a few genuine Dub supporters here and they don't honestly know what the fuss is all about. After all, Kerry, and Kilkenny in hurling, had unprecedented spells of success and no one is complaining about them so why begrudge Dublin who just happens to have a once-in-a-lifetime team etc. etc.
According to govt. Sources, (Simon Coveney, last April) Dublin now has over one third of the republic's population and, crucially, half of its resources. He population is projected to pass the halfway mark by 2040 and still GAA HQ see no cause for alarm.
Problem is that Dublin = 35% of the population down south. Of course, the GAA needs to have Dublin pulling in the crowds but it takes two to tango and unless Dublin has worthwhile opposition, the general public won't pay to see an endless procession of worthless victories by the DUblin assembly belt.
Kerry and probably Mayo will possibly edge an AI or two once in a while but as time goes by, the gap between Dublin and the rest will continue to widen and there will be no possibility of any other team in the land going toe to toe with Dublin for any period of time.
I don't blame the genuine Dub fans, here or elsewhere, it's not Dublin's fault that they enjoy massive superiority in so many ways. It's up to other counties to object to the blatant discrimination where development funds is concerned.
I am sick of moaners. There is no point in highlighting obvious discrimination and then going all meekly with what's on offer.
The super 8s is a case in point. It can never be a success- financial or otherwise. It's not possible to have 8 top class sides at any time and most most games will be meaningless and, to cap it all, the club scene is being badly compromised because of even less weekends available for club competitions.
It's possible to fiddle about with rule changes as if a new brand of sticking plaster could keep the Titanic afloat! There's a domino effect here and HQ won't or can't see the obvious problems that exist. So Dublin ramps up its production line and other counties will attempt to keep pace= Kerry, Mayo and a few others at best.
Then other counties down the pecking order will realise that not alone Dublin but their closest rivals also, will be virtually odds-on certs to hammer all others and the feeling of inevitably grows and the paying public switches off.
Two tier competition? Anyone thinking that this is a panacea of any sort should remember what happened to the Tommy Murphy competition.

I was reading an article on the split in Irish Karate circles and I waas thinking of all the different splits that have happened over the years in Ireland and a daft thought popped into my head - how long before someone proposes simply exluding Dublin from the GAA?

Imagine a 2019 championship with no Dublin and where the favourites were Kerry/Mayo/Tyrone/Donegal/Galway/Monaghan.

Paddy Power are currently offering 11/1 on Dublin to compete the ten-in a row in 2024

Do the GAA have any plan if Dublin win say 8 out of the next 10 All-Irelands ?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 15, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
I blame Westmeath for all this

They went and beat Dublin in Croke Park in 2004 in the Leinster semi final.
The GAA suddenly realised they needed a well funded coaching structure in thr capital to overcome the insurmountable odds that dublin faced vs the behemoths of the game such as Westmeath and Laois.

€18+ million later and we are where we are
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 15, 2019, 09:47:19 PM
Ha, good man Lar. I think Mayo have missed the boat in terms of winning any All Ireland in my lifetime , never mind edging 2.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 15, 2019, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 15, 2019, 09:47:19 PM
Ha, good man Lar. I think Mayo have missed the boat in terms of winning any All Ireland in my lifetime , never mind edging 2.
Don't you mind a bit, Farr. Armageddon, aka James Horan mark 2, is on the scene again and he won't miss the boat this time around.
The Greatest can gloat all he likes but he will lose bragging rights sometime soon, very very soon!  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on February 20, 2019, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

He's not. He's saying it should be discussed at CC or CCCC but can't be because it's in the GAA laws so therefore has to be discussed at Congress..his words re the motion are:

"The Donegal argument is that playing two of three games in Croke Park is an advantage for Dublin, a case that's difficult to argue against."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 11:10:12 AM
Some squaking and squealing by the Dublin crew and their media army.
The Donegal Motion has ye spooked alright.
Otherwise Fixtures etc would be raised in the article without ridiculing and belittling Donegal's motion.

The organising of Provincial Championships is a matter for the Provincial Councils by the way.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 11:10:12 AM
Some squaking and squealing by the Dublin crew and their media army.
The Donegal Motion has ye spooked alright.
Otherwise Fixtures etc would be raised in the article without ridiculing and belittling Donegal's motion.

The organising of Provincial Championships is a matter for the Provincial Councils by the way.

He doesn't ridicule the motion. He ridiculed small minded people like yourself!!! who are obsessed with small things while important things such as player welfare and fixture chaos isn't even being discussed
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 11:41:25 AM
"Super 8s farce"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.

;D No way, is that deflection I see? I've never seen that before from a Dub. Yawnnnnnnn!

You are free to argue against everything I've said. Tell me why you think I'm wrong, I've provided facts and figures, what have you got as a counter argument? Tell me why you don't think Dublin are financially doped.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.

;D No way, is that deflection I see? I've never seen that before from a Dub. Yawnnnnnnn!

You are free to argue against everything I've said. Tell me why you think I'm wrong, I've provided facts and figures, what have you got as a counter argument? Tell me why you don't think Dublin are financially doped.

I have written about 100 posts on this matter and numerous threads, if will do so again, if you can state why Limerick Hurling and Tyrone football are not in the same bracket, financially doped!?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.

;D No way, is that deflection I see? I've never seen that before from a Dub. Yawnnnnnnn!

You are free to argue against everything I've said. Tell me why you think I'm wrong, I've provided facts and figures, what have you got as a counter argument? Tell me why you don't think Dublin are financially doped.

I have written about 100 posts on this matter and numerous threads, if will do so again, if you can state why Limerick Hurling and Tyrone football are not in the same bracket, financially doped!?

;D I'm not new to this game. I've heard all the abuse, all the lies and yes, all the deflection. There's tonnes of it. Limerick hurling or Tyrone football are completely irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the financial doping of Dublin. You will not discuss Dublin's doping no matter what answer I give. It shows how desperate and weak the defence of Dublin is when the only response is abuse, deflection or lies.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.

;D No way, is that deflection I see? I've never seen that before from a Dub. Yawnnnnnnn!

You are free to argue against everything I've said. Tell me why you think I'm wrong, I've provided facts and figures, what have you got as a counter argument? Tell me why you don't think Dublin are financially doped.

I have written about 100 posts on this matter and numerous threads, if will do so again, if you can state why Limerick Hurling and Tyrone football are not in the same bracket, financially doped!?

;D I'm not new to this game. I've heard all the abuse, all the lies and yes, all the deflection. There's tonnes of it. Limerick hurling or Tyrone football are completely irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the financial doping of Dublin. You will not discuss Dublin's doping no matter what answer I give. It shows how desperate and weak the defence of Dublin is when the only response is abuse, deflection or lies.

So what your saying is Dublin money counts, but with Tyrone it  doesnt. I didn't realise Brexit had kicked in already. I thought we had until March 29th or do you just not recognise that part of the country as being part of this island??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.

;D No way, is that deflection I see? I've never seen that before from a Dub. Yawnnnnnnn!

You are free to argue against everything I've said. Tell me why you think I'm wrong, I've provided facts and figures, what have you got as a counter argument? Tell me why you don't think Dublin are financially doped.

I have written about 100 posts on this matter and numerous threads, if will do so again, if you can state why Limerick Hurling and Tyrone football are not in the same bracket, financially doped!?

;D I'm not new to this game. I've heard all the abuse, all the lies and yes, all the deflection. There's tonnes of it. Limerick hurling or Tyrone football are completely irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the financial doping of Dublin. You will not discuss Dublin's doping no matter what answer I give. It shows how desperate and weak the defence of Dublin is when the only response is abuse, deflection or lies.

So what your saying is Dublin money counts, but with Tyrone it  doesnt. I didn't realise Brexit had kicked in already. I thought we had until March 29th or do you just not recognise that part of the country as being part of this island??

You add Cork to that list, a stadium, sure that's an unfair advantage, built it in Leitrim.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 04:02:03 PM
Tyrone raised the money themselves
Limerick were funded by a rich tax exile who loves Limerick

Dublin, are funded by the 31 other counties.
Dublin GAA could only fundraise €56,000 last year!
Who's paying for all those coaching staff? Coaches training? S&C upskilling?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
For those who think hurling is something you do the morning after a night out.

There is a thread on the Limerick financing issue in the hurling section of the forum.

To be found here - http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29100.msg1881226;topicseen#new
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
This is a complete waste of my time, as I've done it before and everyone just ignores it. Some people just like crying maybe. So this is the very last time, I'm doing it!

Money given to games development has sweet feck all to do with Dublin's success.

Without Cluxton, we most definitely would not have won 2011 and probably would not have won 2013. Blessed to have the best goalkeeper, and the hardest working goalkeeper, there has ever been.
And we've also had the best freetaker in the country the last 4 years. Had Rock missed any one of the seasons 2015, 16, 17, we definitely would not have won Sam as we would have missed crucial frees. Two lads with ordinary jobs who practice on their own time incessantly even apart from training.
We would have won 2018 without either of them, as the standard from the rest of the country took a drop.

The genuine advantages we have:
1. Population, population, population.
How many Dubs players have parents from outside Dublin, who came to Dublin for work?
Big number. We'd be a different team if players had to play for the county of their Dad!

2. Club game
Adult club game in Dublin is super. 16 teams in Division 1 who train as hard as most county teams. Huge amount of work put into Dublin clubs by non-Dubs who've moved county. Huge. That's so much more important than the GDO's. There's plenty of culchies here I'm sure who live in Dublin and who have heavy involvement with their local Dublin clubs. It does bug me that they let the fallacy of the GDOs continue and say nothing about the work of the members. And again, population increasing all the time, means increased members and increased work and increased money coming directly from members. It's not that any member works harder than club members in other counties, but there's more of us!
Over the last 18 months, i've donated a four figure sum to my club. Along with over 50 others. Big fundraising work going on to improve facilities.

3. Location location location
Our lads have (practically) no distance to travel for training. Whereas country lads, especially outside Leinster spend hours and hours in the car. The advantage we have had over Mayo in that regard these least 5 or so years is incalculable. How many All Ireland's would have changed hands had traveling to training been reversed? More than one for sure, regardless of GDOs!

4. Croke Park
We're a Croke Park team. It suits us. The Pillar Carrey team could get intimidated by it. Although they also came up against opposition, like Tyrone and Armagh who embraced it. Meath always embraced it when they were good. Interesting hearing Stevie McDonnell saying if he was still playing for Armagh and he had a choice of playing a Super 8 game in Parnell Park or Croke Park, he said he'd choose Croker without hesitation.
Honestly I don't believe our games in recent years v Mayo or Kerry would have seen a change of result if the only thing that changed was moving it outside Croker. Mayo are a Croke Park team too.

These are genuine advantages.  No problem hearing about these. The money argument is a compete red herring.  Hurling is improving for all the reasons above (apart from Croke Park, our lads are better in Parnell). Most clubs now try and give underage an equal footing, which was never the case. In my club, it's 95% culchies who train our hurlers! I never picked up a hurl in the same club for the 10 years I played. The Dubs hurlers don't have a special player like Cluxton, Rock or Connolly. We need a couple of those to become genuine contenders. But with our population, and the work going on by (mainly culchies) club members , I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Of course the money will get all the credit!

But this board will see a complete moron saying that money turned Brian Fenton from a junior B footballer into arguably the best midfielder in the country. And he gets 'great post' replies. FFS.
Maybe there should be a ban on players returning from a long injury layoff playing a game with their second team?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
So what your saying is Dublin money counts, but with Tyrone it  doesnt. I didn't realise Brexit had kicked in already. I thought we had until March 29th or do you just not recognise that part of the country as being part of this island??

(http://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1309/animated-laughing-image-0014.gif) (http://www.animatedimages.org/cat-laughing-1309.htm)

It's amazing, all these years later and it's still the exact same tactics! You are using deflection 101. Tyrone have a centre of excellence, Limerick have JP McManus, remember when Kilkenny were winning every year, no one said anything when Kerry were always winning, Kildare are spending huge sums on McGeaney, not our fault Meath are sh1t, Donegal have some investor, no one else went to Croke Park with a plan, everyone else is spending the money on stadiums, Roscommon bought a bus, have I forgotten anything?
Just endless streams of deflection. Not one of those defends the financial doping of Dublin. They are all completely irrelevant. You and all the Dubs only bring them up because you have nothing else. You cannot defend the doping. And don't worry, I know what comes next. You will keep talking about Tyrone or some other irrelevant topic. You will keep repeating this over and over. It really is quite pathetic that the Dubs have been reduced to this. Even your county board chairman partakes in it.  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Just maybe your right as seen in Limerick hurling and previously in Tyrone (millions invested, centre of excellence etc). If treating all equally then their wins are tainted and financially doped to win their success . . . .

Yawn.

;D No way, is that deflection I see? I've never seen that before from a Dub. Yawnnnnnnn!

You are free to argue against everything I've said. Tell me why you think I'm wrong, I've provided facts and figures, what have you got as a counter argument? Tell me why you don't think Dublin are financially doped.

I have written about 100 posts on this matter and numerous threads, if will do so again, if you can state why Limerick Hurling and Tyrone football are not in the same bracket, financially doped!?

;D I'm not new to this game. I've heard all the abuse, all the lies and yes, all the deflection. There's tonnes of it. Limerick hurling or Tyrone football are completely irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the financial doping of Dublin. You will not discuss Dublin's doping no matter what answer I give. It shows how desperate and weak the defence of Dublin is when the only response is abuse, deflection or lies.

So what your saying is Dublin money counts, but with Tyrone it  doesnt. I didn't realise Brexit had kicked in already. I thought we had until March 29th or do you just not recognise that part of the country as being part of this island??

You add Cork to that list, a stadium, sure that's an unfair advantage, built it in Leitrim.

(http://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1309/animated-laughing-image-0072.gif) (http://www.animatedimages.org/cat-laughing-1309.htm)

Just as I was saying.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
Odd how pricey just puts up laughing emoticons when all he's doing himself is crying!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
This is a complete waste of my time, as I've done it before and everyone just ignores it. Some people just like crying maybe. So this is the very last time, I'm doing it!

Money given to games development has sweet feck all to do with Dublin's success.

Without Cluxton, we most definitely would not have won 2011 and probably would not have won 2013. Blessed to have the best goalkeeper, and the hardest working goalkeeper, there has ever been.
And we've also had the best freetaker in the country the last 4 years. Had Rock missed any one of the seasons 2015, 16, 17, we definitely would not have won Sam as we would have missed crucial frees. Two lads with ordinary jobs who practice on their own time incessantly even apart from training.
We would have won 2018 without either of them, as the standard from the rest of the country took a drop.

The genuine advantages we have:
1. Population, population, population.
How many Dubs players have parents from outside Dublin, who came to Dublin for work?
Big number. We'd be a different team if players had to play for the county of their Dad!

2. Club game
Adult club game in Dublin is super. 16 teams in Division 1 who train as hard as most county teams. Huge amount of work put into Dublin clubs by non-Dubs who've moved county. Huge. That's so much more important than the GDO's. There's plenty of culchies here I'm sure who live in Dublin and who have heavy involvement with their local Dublin clubs. It does bug me that they let the fallacy of the GDOs continue and say nothing about the work of the members. And again, population increasing all the time, means increased members and increased work and increased money coming directly from members. It's not that any member works harder than club members in other counties, but there's more of us!
Over the last 18 months, i've donated a four figure sum to my club. Along with over 50 others. Big fundraising work going on to improve facilities.

3. Location location location
Our lads have (practically) no distance to travel for training. Whereas country lads, especially outside Leinster spend hours and hours in the car. The advantage we have had over Mayo in that regard these least 5 or so years is incalculable. How many All Ireland's would have changed hands had traveling to training been reversed? More than one for sure, regardless of GDOs!

4. Croke Park
We're a Croke Park team. It suits us. The Pillar Carrey team could get intimidated by it. Although they also came up against opposition, like Tyrone and Armagh who embraced it. Meath always embraced it when they were good. Interesting hearing Stevie McDonnell saying if he was still playing for Armagh and he had a choice of playing a Super 8 game in Parnell Park or Croke Park, he said he'd choose Croker without hesitation.
Honestly I don't believe our games in recent years v Mayo or Kerry would have seen a change of result if the only thing that changed was moving it outside Croker. Mayo are a Croke Park team too.

These are genuine advantages.  No problem hearing about these. The money argument is a compete red herring.  Hurling is improving for all the reasons above (apart from Croke Park, our lads are better in Parnell). Most clubs now try and give underage an equal footing, which was never the case. In my club, it's 95% culchies who train our hurlers! I never picked up a hurl in the same club for the 10 years I played. The Dubs hurlers don't have a special player like Cluxton, Rock or Connolly. We need a couple of those to become genuine contenders. But with our population, and the work going on by (mainly culchies) club members , I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Of course the money will get all the credit!

But this board will see a complete moron saying that money turned Brian Fenton from a junior B footballer into arguably the best midfielder in the country. And he gets 'great post' replies. FFS.
Maybe there should be a ban on players returning from a long injury layoff playing a game with their second team?

All been done before.

Cluxton was there when Dublin were getting destroyed. As was Flynn, Connelly, Brogan. What changed was the huge influx of players from the professional system.

1. You always had the population. What changed from 2005?

2. Clubs have felt the benefits of the doping. Actually probably more so than at inter county level. Having a paid coach to nearly every club and some clubs having two will of course make a huge difference. Just look at what it's done for hurling. Cuala have won 2 All Ireland's. Actually I have a table ready to show just how much the money has improved the club scene in Dublin.



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3. This clearly is true. It saves hugely on expenses too. Mayo and others have spent huge amounts on travel. Dublin can spend that on team preperation.

4. Obviously, home advantage is huge. Dublin have only played one away game in football since 2006.

These advantages you mention were all there before the funding. It was the money that changed everything. We're talking about 35 million euro here. It's not just spent on coaches. There are paid professionals in charge of the planning and implementation of plans. It's improving the game at the base level and there is an elite level training and development program also. You can see the results of it all. From the club game in both codes, women's GAA, underage success and then senior men's hurling and football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
Odd how pricey just puts up laughing emoticons when all he's doing himself is crying!

Hardly crying. At this stage, I find it hilarious. I've almost accepted our games are gone. They will kick half the counties into a b competition in football. They will have to find other ways to make money once the elite 8's fail. They might have a breakaway group of counties enter a new competition. You Dubs may think it's all about you. You're just the county the businessmen in HQ invested in. The revenue from Dublin is already dropping. This will end in disaster for us all unless something is done soon.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Breheny leading the charge against Donegal's Motion

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-super-8s-farce-makes-congress-clr-while-major-issues-ignored-37833926.html

As usual like alot of posters on this MB your anti dub bitterness has you posting rubbish and lies.

Martin makes quite reasonable points that there could have been far more important issues addressed at congress this weekend such as player welfare and fixture congestion rather than all the focus on the unfair advantage dubs have in croker super 8s (which he agrees with) He also points out there are no motions submitted  to amend the ridiculous and unfair structures in the provincial championships

But I'm sure the auld reliables on this MB will use this to bleat on again about Dublin money
like the  financial doping of Dublin?
like re-balancing funding to other leinster counties?

Do you seriously think Meath and Kildare will become forces again if they just had a few more quid? Its that simple?

Well, it worked with Dublin! What you forget or more likely, what all Dublin supporters want us to forget, is that Dublin were struggling prior to the doping. Their senior footballers were beaten by Westmeath and Laois in previous seasons, they'd only won one All Ireland in 22 years. Their hurlers were also losing to Laois and Westmeath, they never won anything with their own players. At underage, titles were scarce in both codes. 1 All Ireland since 1984.
Then what happened? The Bertie bonanza! Since then Dublin have won 6 football All Ireland's, their hurlers won their first ever provincial championship. At underage, they have won 7 All Ireland's in both codes. A complete turn around. So guess what? Money works!

Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on February 20, 2019, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
This is a complete waste of my time, as I've done it before and everyone just ignores it. Some people just like crying maybe. So this is the very last time, I'm doing it!

Money given to games development has sweet feck all to do with Dublin's success.

Without Cluxton, we most definitely would not have won 2011 and probably would not have won 2013. Blessed to have the best goalkeeper, and the hardest working goalkeeper, there has ever been.
And we've also had the best freetaker in the country the last 4 years. Had Rock missed any one of the seasons 2015, 16, 17, we definitely would not have won Sam as we would have missed crucial frees. Two lads with ordinary jobs who practice on their own time incessantly even apart from training.
We would have won 2018 without either of them, as the standard from the rest of the country took a drop.

The genuine advantages we have:
1. Population, population, population.
How many Dubs players have parents from outside Dublin, who came to Dublin for work?
Big number. We'd be a different team if players had to play for the county of their Dad!

2. Club game
Adult club game in Dublin is super. 16 teams in Division 1 who train as hard as most county teams. Huge amount of work put into Dublin clubs by non-Dubs who've moved county. Huge. That's so much more important than the GDO's. There's plenty of culchies here I'm sure who live in Dublin and who have heavy involvement with their local Dublin clubs. It does bug me that they let the fallacy of the GDOs continue and say nothing about the work of the members. And again, population increasing all the time, means increased members and increased work and increased money coming directly from members. It's not that any member works harder than club members in other counties, but there's more of us!
Over the last 18 months, i've donated a four figure sum to my club. Along with over 50 others. Big fundraising work going on to improve facilities.

3. Location location location
Our lads have (practically) no distance to travel for training. Whereas country lads, especially outside Leinster spend hours and hours in the car. The advantage we have had over Mayo in that regard these least 5 or so years is incalculable. How many All Ireland's would have changed hands had traveling to training been reversed? More than one for sure, regardless of GDOs!

4. Croke Park
We're a Croke Park team. It suits us. The Pillar Carrey team could get intimidated by it. Although they also came up against opposition, like Tyrone and Armagh who embraced it. Meath always embraced it when they were good. Interesting hearing Stevie McDonnell saying if he was still playing for Armagh and he had a choice of playing a Super 8 game in Parnell Park or Croke Park, he said he'd choose Croker without hesitation.
Honestly I don't believe our games in recent years v Mayo or Kerry would have seen a change of result if the only thing that changed was moving it outside Croker. Mayo are a Croke Park team too.

These are genuine advantages.  No problem hearing about these. The money argument is a compete red herring.  Hurling is improving for all the reasons above (apart from Croke Park, our lads are better in Parnell). Most clubs now try and give underage an equal footing, which was never the case. In my club, it's 95% culchies who train our hurlers! I never picked up a hurl in the same club for the 10 years I played. The Dubs hurlers don't have a special player like Cluxton, Rock or Connolly. We need a couple of those to become genuine contenders. But with our population, and the work going on by (mainly culchies) club members , I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Of course the money will get all the credit!

But this board will see a complete moron saying that money turned Brian Fenton from a junior B footballer into arguably the best midfielder in the country. And he gets 'great post' replies. FFS.
Maybe there should be a ban on players returning from a long injury layoff playing a game with their second team?

Fair play Hound, I agree with almost all of that. The only issue I have with the Dubs and money is, that despite having the location advantage and therefore less money pay out in travelling expenses (which, conservatively, takes up over 50% of the team expenses in every other county), they're still consistently in the top 2 or 3 for team expenses and I'm not sure how that's possible.
I don't have the figures to hand. The length of time in the championship is a key factor. When Dublin and Mayo get to the final, Mayo usually spend more because of increased travel. Take that away and it's similar, we both look after our players very well in terms of everything else, as do Kerry and others.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
This is a complete waste of my time, as I've done it before and everyone just ignores it. Some people just like crying maybe. So this is the very last time, I'm doing it!

Money given to games development has sweet feck all to do with Dublin's success.

Without Cluxton, we most definitely would not have won 2011 and probably would not have won 2013. Blessed to have the best goalkeeper, and the hardest working goalkeeper, there has ever been.
And we've also had the best freetaker in the country the last 4 years. Had Rock missed any one of the seasons 2015, 16, 17, we definitely would not have won Sam as we would have missed crucial frees. Two lads with ordinary jobs who practice on their own time incessantly even apart from training.
We would have won 2018 without either of them, as the standard from the rest of the country took a drop.

The genuine advantages we have:
1. Population, population, population.
How many Dubs players have parents from outside Dublin, who came to Dublin for work?
Big number. We'd be a different team if players had to play for the county of their Dad!

2. Club game
Adult club game in Dublin is super. 16 teams in Division 1 who train as hard as most county teams. Huge amount of work put into Dublin clubs by non-Dubs who've moved county. Huge. That's so much more important than the GDO's. There's plenty of culchies here I'm sure who live in Dublin and who have heavy involvement with their local Dublin clubs. It does bug me that they let the fallacy of the GDOs continue and say nothing about the work of the members. And again, population increasing all the time, means increased members and increased work and increased money coming directly from members. It's not that any member works harder than club members in other counties, but there's more of us!
Over the last 18 months, i've donated a four figure sum to my club. Along with over 50 others. Big fundraising work going on to improve facilities.

3. Location location location
Our lads have (practically) no distance to travel for training. Whereas country lads, especially outside Leinster spend hours and hours in the car. The advantage we have had over Mayo in that regard these least 5 or so years is incalculable. How many All Ireland's would have changed hands had traveling to training been reversed? More than one for sure, regardless of GDOs!

4. Croke Park
We're a Croke Park team. It suits us. The Pillar Carrey team could get intimidated by it. Although they also came up against opposition, like Tyrone and Armagh who embraced it. Meath always embraced it when they were good. Interesting hearing Stevie McDonnell saying if he was still playing for Armagh and he had a choice of playing a Super 8 game in Parnell Park or Croke Park, he said he'd choose Croker without hesitation.
Honestly I don't believe our games in recent years v Mayo or Kerry would have seen a change of result if the only thing that changed was moving it outside Croker. Mayo are a Croke Park team too.

These are genuine advantages.  No problem hearing about these. The money argument is a compete red herring.  Hurling is improving for all the reasons above (apart from Croke Park, our lads are better in Parnell). Most clubs now try and give underage an equal footing, which was never the case. In my club, it's 95% culchies who train our hurlers! I never picked up a hurl in the same club for the 10 years I played. The Dubs hurlers don't have a special player like Cluxton, Rock or Connolly. We need a couple of those to become genuine contenders. But with our population, and the work going on by (mainly culchies) club members , I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Of course the money will get all the credit!

But this board will see a complete moron saying that money turned Brian Fenton from a junior B footballer into arguably the best midfielder in the country. And he gets 'great post' replies. FFS.
Maybe there should be a ban on players returning from a long injury layoff playing a game with their second team?

All been done before.

Cluxton was there when Dublin were getting destroyed. As was Flynn, Connelly, Brogan. What changed was the huge influx of players from the professional system.

1. You always had the population. What changed from 2005?

2. Clubs have felt the benefits of the doping. Actually probably more so than at inter county level. Having a paid coach to nearly every club and some clubs having two will of course make a huge difference. Just look at what it's done for hurling. Cuala have won 2 All Ireland's. Actually I have a table ready to show just how much the money has improved the club scene in Dublin.



(http://i64.tinypic.com/tow6.jpg)



3. This clearly is true. It saves hugely on expenses too. Mayo and others have spent huge amounts on travel. Dublin can spend that on team preperation.

4. Obviously, home advantage is huge. Dublin have only played one away game in football since 2006.

These advantages you mention were all there before the funding. It was the money that changed everything. We're talking about 35 million euro here. It's not just spent on coaches. There are paid professionals in charge of the planning and implementation of plans. It's improving the game at the base level and there is an elite level training and development program also. You can see the results of it all. From the club game in both codes, women's GAA, underage success and then senior men's hurling and football.

Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.

We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
No they didn't. Funding into Dublin is a fraction of what the Dubs raise. If you refuse to grasp this...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin.

Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers...

You do not operate outside this system

This is special needs stuff
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:49:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
No they didn't. Funding into Dublin is a fraction of what the Dubs raise. If you refuse to grasp this...

What are you on about? Do you know about the Irish sports council funding? Do you know about how much Dublin have received since 2005? 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin.

Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers...

You do not operate outside this system

This is special needs stuff

;D Look up the population of Antrim and Cork. Now look up how much more Dublin get compared to them. It really is special needs stuff!

Everyone else does operate outside the system built for Dublin. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:49:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 04:43:45 PM
Money works if you have a plan behind it. Thats what others are lacking. Are we supposed to apologise for being organised? You have poibtedly failed to prove thete is a bias, yes Dublin has strategic importance because of our population and being the capital, but if you think just cutting another struggling power a large cheque will fix them you are deluded.

And he repeats, happy to ringfence what money the Dubs generate for use in Dublin only. Ditto your county.

Of course there was a plan! This was an investment from the GAA and they wanted a return. Why do you think you've played so many games in Croke Park? Bertie got you the money, how more biased can you get. The success of Dublin has been put ahead of looking after the health of our games in all other counties. We are seeing the effect of it now and we will continue to see it.

Again, which is it? The Dublin cash cow or 31 counties funding us? Pick a line and stick with it please, you are all over the place.

Who exactly has put Dublins success ahead of the rest?

It's both. It's pretty simple to understand. The GAA invested in Dublin using all of our money, they wanted a return on that investment.

The GAA.
No they didn't. Funding into Dublin is a fraction of what the Dubs raise. If you refuse to grasp this...

What are you on about? Do you know about the Irish sports council funding? Do you know about how much Dublin have received since 2005?

Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
We are literally not denying this investment spend created these players. Every Dub has said it, but you are raning and wont listen.

The disagreement is whether Dublin drawing down funds available to every county is 'doping' or just Diblin getting its act together.

Think about what you are saying. You object to 'top class coaching'. Should we stop, get mediocre coaches involved?

Actually, that's exactly what is being denied! Did you read the post I was responding to?

Dublin has received many multiples of what every other county received. This is not getting your act together. It's other counties paying people to get your act together for you.

No, I object to a whole host of paid coaches and an elite system being funded by all of us while every other county has to operate without this system and with a tiny percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin.

Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers...

You do not operate outside this system

This is special needs stuff

;D Look up the population of Antrim and Cork. Now look up how much more Dublin get compared to them. It really is special needs stuff!

Everyone else does operate outside the system built for Dublin. You have no clue what you're talking about.

You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?

The one million a year sports council grant? The multi million euros bonanza given to Dublin? You don't even know the basics!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.

;D I chose those 2 because of their population. It busted your claim that "Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers..."

And then some deflection. The weakest defence in history.  :P
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.

;D I chose those 2 because of their population. It busted your claim that "Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers..."

And then some deflection. The weakest defence in history.  :P
You chose those counties. Both have presided over omnishambles recently, and you think they should get more money to fix them being shyte?

Will you gerrup the yard
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?

The one million a year sports council grant? The multi million euros bonanza given to Dublin? You don't even know the basics!!

Again, what counties were denied 80c per head by the sports council?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:52:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:10:25 PM
You couldnt have picked two worse examples of shambolic counties if you tried.

If you object to the money Dublin get, I await with baited breath how you react to up to half the GAA annual turnover going into the Frankdome.

The defence rests.

;D I chose those 2 because of their population. It busted your claim that "Dublin has many multiples of the population and playing numbers..."

And then some deflection. The weakest defence in history.  :P
You chose those counties. Both have presided over omnishambles recently, and you think they should get more money to fix them being shyte?

Will you gerrup the yard

What're their populations compared with Dublin? How much less have they received is games development funding compared with Dublin?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:53:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:44:16 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
Sigh. You need to justify your 'doping' allegations. Are these funds exclusive to Dublin?

The one million a year sports council grant? The multi million euros bonanza given to Dublin? You don't even know the basics!!

Again, what counties were denied 80c per head by the sports council?

;D The one million fund was just for Dublin! Look, you obviously haven't a single clue about any of this. Go look up some information and then come back to me.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.

Now you are being special. Dublin did the much mocked Blue Wave document and then got funding.

Name one county that had 'the door slammed in their faces'?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 08:31:55 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.

Nothing stopping any county putting a plan together tomorrow if they wanted to, but you can't expect to get funding without one. That's like applying for a mortgage without any proof you can repay the bank.

If you're going to split Dublin in 4 you're also going to have to increase funding and build additional grounds in the capital AND THATS EXPENSIVE. I mean where will they play their games? Can't all play in croke park or Parnell park at the same time

Dublin were ridiculed for publishing the blue wave, but followed through on it. In offaly a few years ago a group of former players/coaches got together to create a long term plan/project to re-establish hurling in the county. Alot of work went into it and when it was presented to the county board they said thanks, completely ignored it and implemented none of it.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 20, 2019, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.

Now you are being special. Dublin did the much mocked Blue Wave document and then got funding.

Name one county that had 'the door slammed in their good?

Fermanagh?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.

Now you are being special. Dublin did the much mocked Blue Wave document and then got funding.

Name one county that had 'the door slammed in their faces'?

I've heard some clueless Dublin supporters discuss this topic before but you have to be up there with the worst.  ;D The Blue wave document was in 2011. The doping began in 2005.

Fermanagh and Laois for a start.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 08:31:55 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.

Nothing stopping any county putting a plan together tomorrow if they wanted to, but you can't expect to get funding without one. That's like applying for a mortgage without any proof you can repay the bank.

If you're going to split Dublin in 4 you're also going to have to increase funding and build additional grounds in the capital AND THATS EXPENSIVE. I mean where will they play their games? Can't all play in croke park or Parnell park at the same time

Dublin were ridiculed for publishing the blue wave, but followed through on it. In offaly a few years ago a group of former players/coaches got together to create a long term plan/project to re-establish hurling in the county. Alot of work went into it and when it was presented to the county board they said thanks, completely ignored it and implemented none of it.

The GAA didn't approve any other county because they didn't feel they'd get a return on it. They are a business. That's why they bankrolled Dublin, to get a return. It worked but only short term. This is not what the GAA is meant to be about. Money is important but putting that ahead of the health of our games. Not right.

The whole plan is expensive! Unfortunately, there's not much option left. We can't just let a doped up county continue unabated.

The blue wave document was 2011, what are you lads on about?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.
The only comparison of Dublin to NZ is the sponsor both share

All this 'leadership' was only put in place after Dublin GAA were promised the money by Bertie

What's funny, is that if you read the Dublin strategic development plans they actually include numerous aerial shots of Croke Park.
Which apparently isn't actually their home ground

I could probably come up with a detailed and costed coaching development plan for next 5 years for our county in about 2 weeks.
However, whats the point? When I know there's no funding available.
Dublin put together their plans knowing they were going to get funding!and extra funding to match any club who wants to fund a full time gda
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 20, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
There is a partnership at play here! The GAA finished building an unmerciful monster in 2004. Ironically Laois and Westmeath were in the Leinster Final that year. It was a stretch to get a decent crowd for the First game and the place was half empty for the Replay on a Saturday afternoon. The GAA were not going to pay the Mortgage on the Building on minnows getting to provincial finals. Galway, Kerry and Cork no matter how well they were doing would only fill Croker in dribs and drabs. So another Monster had to be created to feed the monster. Ulster was the only anomaly, they will support and they will support in droves with success. Then there is Mayo, the other golden goose. Mayo fans have pumped some amount of money in League and Championship games since 2011. The Super 8's were invented to scrape the last shilling over the summer out of Mayo supporters. I was delighted when we failed to qualify last year. It guaranteed the almost failure of the money grabbing Super 8's. To be fair Mayo out of the Championship was the end of the medias interest in the Championship. It's got to a sad state that Mayo a burned out group were still the only hope for anything other than another Dublin All Ireland.

So we are where we are. The Dubs are unstoppable. Helped with funding, hard work and dedication. It's not their fault they get so much funding, have home games at a canter and enjoy every advantage. Their fans suffered from 1983 to 2011 with only one All Ireland. Many of the Dublin lads here began to watch football during this era. Loads of near misses, great players, good teams getting to the business end and being mocked and ridiculed to coming short at the top table. Now the tables have turned. The smug Kerry man looks vulnerable and talk of Kerry rebuilding with Dublin on the verge of 5 in a row must be frightening for them (Kerry). This is not Tyrone which were a problem more than a decade ago for Kerrys mantle. This Dublin team is rejuvenating itself. Talk of players like Flynn, Brogan and O'Gara retiring - and who will replace them? Are Laughable. They are already replaced.

Anyway, money has made a difference. How can it not? But don't expect Dublin to apologise for this. No more than you can expect a Mayo man to apologise to a Leitrim man for his county having a bigger population.  Dublin were given the hand out used it properly. Now to be fair when you get so much money, you are bound to do something right.

The GAA have now ended up with one of the most dominant evolving Champions the game has ever seen. There is no quick fix to this. Changing rules, tinkering with ideas on the pitch only worsens what we already have and provides a sort of Red Herring to the real problems.

So what of the average fans? In my case the Season ticket is gone. I felt it hypocritical paying into something that disgusted me. Club is always there, thank god. And especially, underage Club! The gas thing is the bubble has not burst in Mayo. There is still (false) hope! Everybody still goes, still talks about the new players coming through and still thinks there is one last fight in this group. No one talks of Parsons injury, that this team will be two years older since the 2017 final, that we have not won a provincial final in 3 years, that we are have a groups of lads with loads of mileage, injuries and bad experience. No body sees the huge money going into Dublin football. The average Joe soap Mayo supporter does not have a clue of this! And you wonder how the average Dub should know. God only knows what other counties think?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 12:31:36 AM
as a parallel development... before Abromovich and the Sheiks arrived to english football Chelsea had won the league title once, in 1954/55 and City had won it twice, last in 1967/68

Dublin had won the All Ireland championship once since 1983 (1995) when the financial injection to Dublin GAA started around 2004
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.
The elite player pathway has NOTHING to do with the millions in games development funding.
Unpaid ex-player volunteers coach the Dublin development panels. GDOs don't go next nor near them.
Yes, they are well looked after with meal plans, dieticians, etc but same as many other counties.
And if they get to senior panel, there's a plethora of coaches, and some of them are getting well paid, but again same as Kerry, Mayo, etc, although i'd say we have more and pay more, but again totally irrelevant to the GDO funds which goes to clubs

If the GDO funding stopped, it wouldn't impact one iota on the funding for the elite teams. Completely different pots. If the GDO funding stopped, we'd just halve the number of GDOs, clubs would likely band together to have one between two.

Club game is flourishing in Dublin. As I said, it's a numbers games.  More players, more members, more contributions, so super facilities. Huge numbers of volunteer coaches.  Very good organization of club games in the county (exception being the U21s). We have most of the biggest clubs in the country, clubs with huge picks, will inevitably win many club AllIrelands over the next decade in both codes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 21, 2019, 08:13:41 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

I think that's a fair comment. Too early to tell but what I know and see there would not be a panel close to the current one for quite some time. Personally I think Kerry will do a Dublin over the next decade, hopefully only after this year!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 09:04:56 AM
These volunteer coaches in Dublin must be unreal
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on February 21, 2019, 09:28:21 AM
Fook Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 21, 2019, 10:41:38 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on February 21, 2019, 09:28:21 AM
Fook Dublin

I agree, enough of this talk about Dublin, lock and close the thread.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mayo Border on February 21, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on February 21, 2019, 09:28:21 AM
Fook Dublin
Good point Larry. Elegantly put. Well done.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tyrone08 on February 21, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
Dont shoot me down but I have been wondering why Dublin haven't re-developed Parnell park for a bigger capacity or built a new ground?

Does anyone know how many people need to attend croke park in order for it to make a profit. I heard years ago a figure of around 40,000 but not sure if this is true.

I would imagine there is alot of cost involved in opening it up for games where only 30,000 or so attend.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 21, 2019, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
Dont shoot me down but I have been wondering why Dublin haven't re-developed Parnell park for a bigger capacity or built a new ground?

Does anyone know how many people need to attend croke park in order for it to make a profit. I heard years ago a figure of around 40,000 but not sure if this is true.

I would imagine there is alot of cost involved in opening it up for games where only 30,000 or so attend.

Don't worry we wont shoot you.. yet

I believe the problem with Parnell Park is logistical and a planning issue. One side you have DCC owned Golf course, the other side is Craobh Ciaran and Ciarans school, extremely tight to the side of Parnell park.

Development could only take place from one side, to my knowledge, if DCC and Clontarf gold club agreed to allocated a small piece of land to Dublin to build a 2 tier stand. This probably wont happen.

I heard 40K also, but I don't think that's true, sure the top tiers are not opened, no cost, there is limited staff on and volunteers etc, but worth a fact check.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 21, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
Dont shoot me down but I have been wondering why Dublin haven't re-developed Parnell park for a bigger capacity or built a new ground?

Does anyone know how many people need to attend croke park in order for it to make a profit. I heard years ago a figure of around 40,000 but not sure if this is true.

I would imagine there is alot of cost involved in opening it up for games where only 30,000 or so attend.

Parnell Park is fit for purpose for most of Dublins Domestic games. If anything there is a need for a decent ground in the north Midlands, like Athlone. Years ago Cake Curran came up with the decent proposal that Westmeath and Roscommon together should invest in a decent Ground and centre of excellence there. There would be loads of back door, under 20 games that could be facilitated there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 09:04:56 AM
These volunteer coaches in Dublin must be unreal

Volunteer coaches with underage teams have made an enormous contribution to the development of Gaelic games in Dublin. And it has to be said that very many of these dedicated coaches originate from outside of Dublin (some are even from Westmeath).
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 21, 2019, 01:13:25 PM
As far as I recall that €30k to break even figure for Croker was based on the annual cost of running the place divided by the number of fixtures.
The cost at that time included the repayment of loans now paid off.
I'd imagine the gate money from 2 AI Semi Finals would likely cover all the running costs nowadays.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
     
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 03:58:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 20, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Pricey you should just stop. You whinge about Dublin and their successes but as everyone points out you haven't put forward any plan for how you would spend the money. That's like punishing New Zealand for being consistently brilliant a rugby. Your fantasy world approach seems to be give everyone loads of money and dont give dublin anymore without any oversight or plan in place as how it should be invested. That doesn't have a history of working well in Ireland.

You've probably been too busy stalking the Dublin football team training in DCU so far this year to notice, but the on going fiasco in this country in relation to building the children's hospital is what happens when you just throw money at something without a clear plan and leadership.

;D The Dubs are just pathetic, a never ending stream of deflection! But since you brought it up, I will give you a brief outline of the plan.

Firstly, the monster must be slain. Dublin gets split into the 4 counties, Fingal, Dublin city, South Dublin, Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

Similar to what Dublin got, every county gets a strategic development officer and various other officers answering to them.

A development plan is drawn up for each county. What problems each county face, how to deal with them, how to promote the game, how to increase playing numbers, how to increase competitivity in both codes and so on.

All counties will be given appropriate funding to implement the plans drawn up.

The development officers will have targets to reach and progress will be monitored.

That's just a brief outline. It would ensure all counties compete on an equal footing. It would be fair and equatable.

What is stopping any of this happening now in the other 31?

You can't implement a plan like this without finance! It's as simple as that. It wouldn't have worked in Dublin without the huge resources pumped in and it won't work anywhere else. Counties have gone to HQ with plans to improve their development and have had the door slammed in their faces. It's time we claimed our games back from the money men. Whatever way we go about it, we can't continue on the path we're on. It's destroying Gaelic games in many counties.

Now you are being special. Dublin did the much mocked Blue Wave document and then got funding.

Name one county that had 'the door slammed in their faces'?
I think the problem with Dublin's high level of funding goes back to 2004 at least. I don't know enough about this to say it's true or false but the subject has come up here many times before.
Di any other county have the door slammed in its face when they went knocking for extra grants money? Several did, if you were to go by complaints that have been posted on this board.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
The elite player pathway has NOTHING to do with the millions in games development funding.
Unpaid ex-player volunteers coach the Dublin development panels. GDOs don't go next nor near them.
Yes, they are well looked after with meal plans, dieticians, etc but same as many other counties.
And if they get to senior panel, there's a plethora of coaches, and some of them are getting well paid, but again same as Kerry, Mayo, etc, although i'd say we have more and pay more, but again totally irrelevant to the GDO funds which goes to clubs

If the GDO funding stopped, it wouldn't impact one iota on the funding for the elite teams. Completely different pots. If the GDO funding stopped, we'd just halve the number of GDOs, clubs would likely band together to have one between two.

Club game is flourishing in Dublin. As I said, it's a numbers games.  More players, more members, more contributions, so super facilities. Huge numbers of volunteer coaches.  Very good organization of club games in the county (exception being the U21s). We have most of the biggest clubs in the country, clubs with huge picks, will inevitably win many club AllIrelands over the next decade in both codes.

They are not separate pots, it's one giant pot all connected! The GDOs do help with getting to kids at a young age, skill development, directing them towards clubs and then when they're at the clubs. You're forgetting, if Dublin GAA had to pay full costs for this, then it takes money from all the other areas. With the cost covered, they then have resources to pay for the elite pathway, they have money to pay for all the professionals, all the areas needed to develop the conveyor belt of elite athletes they have been.
Then with the increased success created by the work of the GDO's and the elite pathway, along came the increased sponsorship. Huge money from many areas which allows for elite preparation for senior teams. It's all connected, one leads into the other. What it has caused is the monster/behemoth whatever you want to call it. The superclubs are also connected, they are not just a coincidence. They didn't just grow out of nowhere.
Every county has volunteers, every county works hard at all levels. What every county doesn't have is the huge resources that Dublin has to set up a professional system of player creation and senior team preparation. This is the difference and the results are there for all to see. The number of inter county titles has increased fourfold, the same with club titles. 4 times as many titles, that's what this level of finance can buy.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
Dont shoot me down but I have been wondering why Dublin haven't re-developed Parnell park for a bigger capacity or built a new ground?

Does anyone know how many people need to attend croke park in order for it to make a profit. I heard years ago a figure of around 40,000 but not sure if this is true.

I would imagine there is alot of cost involved in opening it up for games where only 30,000 or so attend.

Because the GAA push Dublin to play in Croker to pay it off.

Dublin would have built a medium sized venue years ago otherwise. What do you think the Rathcoole site was for?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.
The elite player pathway has NOTHING to do with the millions in games development funding.
Unpaid ex-player volunteers coach the Dublin development panels. GDOs don't go next nor near them.
Yes, they are well looked after with meal plans, dieticians, etc but same as many other counties.
And if they get to senior panel, there's a plethora of coaches, and some of them are getting well paid, but again same as Kerry, Mayo, etc, although i'd say we have more and pay more, but again totally irrelevant to the GDO funds which goes to clubs

If the GDO funding stopped, it wouldn't impact one iota on the funding for the elite teams. Completely different pots. If the GDO funding stopped, we'd just halve the number of GDOs, clubs would likely band together to have one between two.

Club game is flourishing in Dublin. As I said, it's a numbers games.  More players, more members, more contributions, so super facilities. Huge numbers of volunteer coaches.  Very good organization of club games in the county (exception being the U21s). We have most of the biggest clubs in the country, clubs with huge picks, will inevitably win many club AllIrelands over the next decade in both codes.
On a very serious note, can you say where the millions spent on games development is actually going?
It certainly isn't being spent on coaching kids in primary schools.
I am not saying there is a fiddle of any sort here but I can see any obvious signs of large sums of money being spent on anything to do with kids' coaching/playing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Are you taking the piss now?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

You see this is what it leads to. I've been saying it for years. What do you think other counties are going to do to try to keep up? Invest huge money themselves! Some have done it at senior level with varying degrees of success. Others, like Kerry have tried to emulate Dublin's method, player creation is the key. Where does that leave us? Only counties with money can compete! That's the road we're going down. That's why this is such an important issue and one we have to tackle now. Look already at the calls for the b championship. That's the beginning of the end for Gaelic football in many counties. It'll be like hurling!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

You see this is what it leads to. I've been saying it for years. What do you think other counties are going to do to try to keep up? Invest huge money themselves! Some have done it at senior level with varying degrees of success. Others, like Kerry have tried to emulate Dublin's method, player creation is the key. Where does that leave us? Only counties with money can compete! That's the road we're going down. That's why this is such an important issue and one we have to tackle now. Look already at the calls for the b championship. That's the beginning of the end for Gaelic football in many counties. It'll be like hurling!

25 of those counties never kept up...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.
The elite player pathway has NOTHING to do with the millions in games development funding.
Unpaid ex-player volunteers coach the Dublin development panels. GDOs don't go next nor near them.
Yes, they are well looked after with meal plans, dieticians, etc but same as many other counties.
And if they get to senior panel, there's a plethora of coaches, and some of them are getting well paid, but again same as Kerry, Mayo, etc, although i'd say we have more and pay more, but again totally irrelevant to the GDO funds which goes to clubs

If the GDO funding stopped, it wouldn't impact one iota on the funding for the elite teams. Completely different pots. If the GDO funding stopped, we'd just halve the number of GDOs, clubs would likely band together to have one between two.

Club game is flourishing in Dublin. As I said, it's a numbers games.  More players, more members, more contributions, so super facilities. Huge numbers of volunteer coaches.  Very good organization of club games in the county (exception being the U21s). We have most of the biggest clubs in the country, clubs with huge picks, will inevitably win many club AllIrelands over the next decade in both codes.
On a very serious note, can you say where the millions spent on games development is actually going?
It certainly isn't being spent on coaching kids in primary schools.
I am not saying there is a fiddle of any sort here but I can see any obvious signs of large sums of money being spent on anything to do with kids' coaching/playing.

I live in Dublin 7 and Na Fianna is only down the road from me. In the summer they have mini leagues on during the week on the pitch for the kids in football and huring with several matches played on smaller pitches across the pitch from sideline to sideline. Hundreds of kids play every night and it's a great sight to see them all enjoying themselves. 

This in turn has led to an imrpovemtn in club standards, especially in the football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Are you taking the piss now?

No.

Will you be content as a Dub to continue strolling through Leinster every year and the All Ireland most years?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Are you taking the piss now?

No.

Will you be content as a Dub to continue strolling through Leinster every year and the All Ireland most years?

Do I want to see my team win?

We being serious?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Dublin had a "conveyor belt" going in the late 70s and early 80's - All Ireland minor titles in '79, '82 and '84. All Ireland senior title in 1983 and runners up in '84 and '85 and all that after three senior titles in the 70s. No one was talking about a Dublin Thousand Year Reich then. That was mainly because there was a Kerry team that could compete.

If either or both of the two finals against Mayo had gone the other way (as they could easly have done) would this conversation be going on now? 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Are you taking the piss now?

No.

Will you be content as a Dub to continue strolling through Leinster every year and the All Ireland most years?

Do I want to see my team win?

We being serious?

Yes.

Do you really, honestly give a bollocks about the Leinster senior championship right now? Will your hair stand on end as Dean Rock slots over another free to put you 10 or 12 points up in the final?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 21, 2019, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

You see this is what it leads to. I've been saying it for years. What do you think other counties are going to do to try to keep up? Invest huge money themselves! Some have done it at senior level with varying degrees of success. Others, like Kerry have tried to emulate Dublin's method, player creation is the key. Where does that leave us? Only counties with money can compete! That's the road we're going down. That's why this is such an important issue and one we have to tackle now. Look already at the calls for the b championship. That's the beginning of the end for Gaelic football in many counties. It'll be like hurling!

25 of those counties never kept up...
If only feckin Laythrum would pull up their socks they  could be fightin it out with Dublin every year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Are you taking the piss now?

No.

Will you be content as a Dub to continue strolling through Leinster every year and the All Ireland most years?

Do I want to see my team win?

We being serious?

Yes.

Do you really, honestly give a bollocks about the Leinster senior championship right now? Will your hair stand on end as Dean Rock slots over another free to put you 10 or 12 points up in the final?

If Mayo can compete as we know they can why can't the likes of Meath and Kildare compete?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:04:21 PM
Let's just cut this fantasy stuff about this kind of thing happened before, if we lost this game it would be different, we might lose again if this happens. Bullsh1t. This is unprecedented, it's a complete transformation of Dublin GAA at all levels, codes and grades. Club competitions, women's GAA, just every single section of Gaelic Games in Dublin has improved drastically and it directly coincides with the millions upon millions of euro pumped into their structures. This will not end. The money is still flowing. There will be no slow down, what we will see is an increased improvement in hurling and continued domination in football and club competitions. I'll post these tables again, look at the staggering transformation:



(http://i67.tinypic.com/1z1zom9.jpg)





(http://i64.tinypic.com/tow6.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:04:21 PM
Let's just cut this fantasy stuff about this kind of thing happened before, if we lost this game it would be different, we might lose again if this happens. Bullsh1t. This is unprecedented, it's a complete transformation of Dublin GAA at all levels, codes and grades. Club competitions, women's GAA, just every single section of Gaelic Games in Dublin has improved drastically and it directly coincides with the millions upon millions of euro pumped into their structures. This will not end. The money is still flowing. There will be no slow down, what we will see is an increased improvement in hurling and continued domination in football and club competitions. I'll post these tables again, look at the staggering transformation:



(http://i67.tinypic.com/1z1zom9.jpg)





(http://i64.tinypic.com/tow6.jpg)

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 05:21:50 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Are you taking the piss now?

No.

Will you be content as a Dub to continue strolling through Leinster every year and the All Ireland most years?

Do I want to see my team win?

We being serious?

Yes.

Do you really, honestly give a bollocks about the Leinster senior championship right now? Will your hair stand on end as Dean Rock slots over another free to put you 10 or 12 points up in the final?

Yes. Crush the barbarians. Doubly so because of the culchie vagina straining.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:04:21 PM
Let's just cut this fantasy stuff about this kind of thing happened before, if we lost this game it would be different, we might lose again if this happens. Bullsh1t. This is unprecedented, it's a complete transformation of Dublin GAA at all levels, codes and grades. Club competitions, women's GAA, just every single section of Gaelic Games in Dublin has improved drastically and it directly coincides with the millions upon millions of euro pumped into their structures. This will not end. The money is still flowing. There will be no slow down, what we will see is an increased improvement in hurling and continued domination in football and club competitions. I'll post these tables again, look at the staggering transformation:



(http://i67.tinypic.com/1z1zom9.jpg)





(http://i64.tinypic.com/tow6.jpg)

You keep repeating these numbers without offering a solution.

And you are needed on the galway finances thread
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on February 21, 2019, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 04:48:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 21, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Arra musha Jesus Christ Bunker. I hope Parke win the Intermediate championship this year to cheer you up a bit. Seriously.

Anyway, Clucko, MDMA, Philly, Kev McM are 2 years older than 2017 too. I'm not yet convinced the players coming through are quite as good. Cue the Dubs such as The Greatest lecturing me about certain underage panels hammering the shite out of everyone.

My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

I'm hesitant to get involved in this (not informed enough), but is the worry of many NOT that there is likely no end to the dominance of Dublin? At least with the Kerry 70s/80s team, they had an extraordinary group of talented players, but it was the same core group all the way through, who then got old together, leading to the disappearance of Kerry from the top end for more than a decade. Dublin appear to have an endless conveyor belt of highly talented players (whatever the cause) coming through and obviously the fear is that, with the ever-growing population advantage (allied to the funding in some people's eyes), they are going to be entrenched as far and away the best side in the country for years to come.

Lets say Dublin do win five in a row, then maybe even six or seven, and on an ongoing basis seven or eight of the next ten All Irelands (assuming some other county brings through a top class group now and again, as Kerry might currently be developing), all the while continuing to hoover up meaningless Leinster titles without breaking a sweat, what's the long term effect of that? At what point does the splitting up of Dublin, assuming things continue on their current trajectory, become a serious consideration? Or does it ever?

Dublin's current "conveyor belt" of talent isn't any different to that of other successful teams of the past. The great Kerry team of 1975 morphed through many iterations between '75 and '86. Great players who joined after 1975 included Charlie Nelligan, Eoin Liston, Jack O'Shea, Ambrose O'Donovan and others.

The great Dublin team of the 1970s which competed in six All Ireland finals in a row was rebuilt in the early 80s and won the AI title in 1983. The 1983 team was backboned by the AI minor winners of 1979 and 1982 - with stars like John O'Leary, Barney Rock, Joe McNalley and Kieran Duff arriving on the scene. And talking about conveyor belts, as well as winning minor in '79 and '82, Dublin also won in '84 with young stars like Jimmy Stynes and Paul Clarke
   

Ah here... Liston was on board for their second win in '78, Nelligan and O'Shea the year before. The vast bulk of that Kerry team moved through the years together as a group, same as most successful teams. Whereas key Dublin players over the past eight years have been seamlessly replaced with arguably even better players in some cases. Obviously it remains to be seen what will happen over the next few years, but if the high standards are maintained, despite turnover, and the Dubs continue to dominant completely and utterly, breaking records at all levels of the senior championship, when, if ever, does it become time to question it?

Dublin had a "conveyor belt" going in the late 70s and early 80's - All Ireland minor titles in '79, '82 and '84. All Ireland senior title in 1983 and runners up in '84 and '85 and all that after three senior titles in the 70s. No one was talking about a Dublin Thousand Year Reich then. That was mainly because there was a Kerry team that could compete.

If either or both of the two finals against Mayo had gone the other way (as they could easly have done) would this conversation be going on now?

That's the whole point, isn't it?

Is the current conveyor belt REALLY equivalent to that late 70s/early 80s one? Is it going to dry up, in terms of elite national level, like that one did?

As for Mayo, they put it up to Donegal in the final in 2012 as well, but yet again, just not good enough on the day when the chips were down. The Dubs had the players to stand up or bring in to swing things their way. Mayo didn't.

And even if Mayo (singularly) matched up fairly well with Dublin, despite always falling short, it doesn't take away from the whole issue. Mayo lose to other teams. Dublin have been caught out once by a tactical masterclass by Jim McGuinness over the past six seasons. A game which no one saw coming and which never happened again.

The only other championship game they've lost since 2010 was the 2012 semi to Mayo, when they were again caught out yet nearly pulled it out.

That's two games over eight seasons you've had to taste defeat.

But that's the past.

My question is, if it keeps going like this for the next four five years, easy win after easy win, with maybe a tough-won AI final thrown in (or even one lost due to a poor day out), will you lads be happy with that and keep turning out?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

You see this is what it leads to. I've been saying it for years. What do you think other counties are going to do to try to keep up? Invest huge money themselves! Some have done it at senior level with varying degrees of success. Others, like Kerry have tried to emulate Dublin's method, player creation is the key. Where does that leave us? Only counties with money can compete! That's the road we're going down. That's why this is such an important issue and one we have to tackle now. Look already at the calls for the b championship. That's the beginning of the end for Gaelic football in many counties. It'll be like hurling!

25 of those counties never kept up...
That's fair enough. I remember Jimmy Grey, the club chairman,  saying when the controversy over the proposed Dublin Metro erupted, that upwards of 2,000 youngsters used the club's facilities. That's an unbelievable number but Jimmy is a gentleman and I wouldn't doubt his word.
I have also heard of a junior club (Rathmines Gaels?) that was protesting at City Council plans to take away their only pitch, which is out somewhere in Inchicore. According to their spokesman, they had 400 kids involved. Again, the number is amazing. I can also see why the junor club needs extra help but Na Finna is not in the same category, IMO.
They already have the pitches and changing rooms and most of their activities are internal games. They also depend on selfless volunteers to organise and coach the underage players. Do they need the same per capita grant aid as does the junior club? I often think that Dublin's volunteer coaches perform a massive baby sitting service for busy mums and disinterested dads all over Dublin.
To see what I mean, take a good look at the hordes of kiddies, running about an generally having a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
Then try to viualise the number that will still be around at senior level. Better still, how many would you expect to be still active club members at minor level or , say, u15  and other age levels you care to think of? There is a frightening haemorrhage of members as the age levels increase.
Why is this?
If you were looking at the number of children involved in most rural clubs at  weekends, you'd be lucky to count thirty or thereabouts. Yet the percentage of those who will stay with their clubs and become active members of their community will be far higher. Again, the reason for this should be fairly obvious to all.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
You keep repeating these numbers without offering a solution.

And you are needed on the galway finances thread

I have offered the solution and you have proved yourself to be completely clueless on this topic. You didn't even know the blue wave was released.  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

What odds would you offer about Dublin NOT winning another a senior football title until after 2025.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

You suggested splitting Dublin in 4. Who pays for the new grounds that will be needed? They can't all use Parnell Park. Have you any idea how hard it would be to buy that much land around Dublin? You must know how much it would cost given your obsession with everything Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

What odds would you offer about Dublin NOT winning another a senior football title until after 2025.

1,000,000,000/1.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

You suggested splitting Dublin in 4. Who pays for the new grounds that will be needed? They can't all use Parnell Park. Have you any idea how hard it would be to buy that much land around Dublin? You must know how much it would cost given your obsession with everything Dublin

You make a mistake, not your first, definitely won't be your last. My obsession is not with Dublin, my obsession is Gaelic Games. If it was another county financially doping, I'd be talking about them. It's not though, it's Dublin.

Some of the superclubs have had no problem expanding. The grounds wouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 21, 2019, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

You suggested splitting Dublin in 4. Who pays for the new grounds that will be needed? They can't all use Parnell Park. Have you any idea how hard it would be to buy that much land around Dublin? You must know how much it would cost given your obsession with everything Dublin
The new Dublin Provincial Council could provide 1 Stadium for all its Counties ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
It's interesting that for all the obsessing over Dublin's finances no one seems to have any problem with the fixture mess every year and player burn out. College players are being flogged with games/training at a time if the year when pitches are at their worst bit all everyone seems outraged with is how many games the dubs get in croke park and how much money is spent on promoting football for youngsters. The mind boggles
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 21, 2019, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

You suggested splitting Dublin in 4. Who pays for the new grounds that will be needed? They can't all use Parnell Park. Have you any idea how hard it would be to buy that much land around Dublin? You must know how much it would cost given your obsession with everything Dublin
The new Dublin Provincial Council could provide 1 Stadium for all its Counties ;)

Whereas the new county of Roscommonsligoleitrim would have a number of grounds to choose from.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 21, 2019, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 21, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I assume you've consulted with a bookie about the odds he might give you on Dublin winning a given number of titles over say the next ten years. It would be a pity not to cash in on your obsession.

BTW: Any thoughts on how this weekend's round of League games will go.

;D This is absolutely hilarious! Your attempt to play this off as just one of those things has been completely blown out of the water and that's all you can respond with!

What odds would you offer about Dublin NOT winning another a senior football title until after 2025.

No body will care by then!  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

You see this is what it leads to. I've been saying it for years. What do you think other counties are going to do to try to keep up? Invest huge money themselves! Some have done it at senior level with varying degrees of success. Others, like Kerry have tried to emulate Dublin's method, player creation is the key. Where does that leave us? Only counties with money can compete! That's the road we're going down. That's why this is such an important issue and one we have to tackle now. Look already at the calls for the b championship. That's the beginning of the end for Gaelic football in many counties. It'll be like hurling!

25 of those counties never kept up...
That's fair enough. I remember Jimmy Grey, the club chairman,  saying when the controversy over the proposed Dublin Metro erupted, that upwards of 2,000 youngsters used the club's facilities. That's an unbelievable number but Jimmy is a gentleman and I wouldn't doubt his word.
I have also heard of a junior club (Rathmines Gaels?) that was protesting at City Council plans to take away their only pitch, which is out somewhere in Inchicore. According to their spokesman, they had 400 kids involved. Again, the number is amazing. I can also see why the junor club needs extra help but Na Finna is not in the same category, IMO.
They already have the pitches and changing rooms and most of their activities are internal games. They also depend on selfless volunteers to organise and coach the underage players. Do they need the same per capita grant aid as does the junior club? I often think that Dublin's volunteer coaches perform a massive baby sitting service for busy mums and disinterested dads all over Dublin.
To see what I mean, take a good look at the hordes of kiddies, running about an generally having a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
Then try to viualise the number that will still be around at senior level. Better still, how many would you expect to be still active club members at minor level or , say, u15  and other age levels you care to think of? There is a frightening haemorrhage of members as the age levels increase.
Why is this?
If you were looking at the number of children involved in most rural clubs at  weekends, you'd be lucky to count thirty or thereabouts. Yet the percentage of those who will stay with their clubs and become active members of their community will be far higher. Again, the reason for this should be fairly obvious to all.

They are a hurling renting off a football club. Football club is selling land and telling them to do one. Nothing to do with the council.

But you have hit the nail on the head. The money is going to middle class superclubs who currently provide a better babysitting service than soccer or rugby. But retention is poor, at 15 they are playing different sports. But look at the Dublin teams, mostly from.affluent areas. So its partially working, but risky.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 09:39:06 PM
And very little support to the small junior football and hurling clubs who only field adult teams.
Good few of them have folded in recent years
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 22, 2019, 12:39:14 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 21, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:36:48 AM
My brother has a lad on Dublin development U15 panel, and last year they beat Offaly by some ridiculous score, 15-10 to 0-2 , or something along those lines. Scary stuff. But Kilmacud Crokes probably have as a big a pick as Offaly these days.

Given the numbers and the efforts by the (volunteer!) coaches, Dublin seriously underachieve at minor. Thankfully really! I think it's probably down to not having a settled line up until just before. It's very hard to predict what the minor team will be prior to the first championship game, because of the large pick. I honestly never much care about minor All Irelands, unless i've a clubman on the team.  For me, the most important, is the couple of lads each year who might improve the senior team.

With all the threads about the Dubs, it is funny that there's never any talk on the board about what other counties can do to copy Kerry. Their recent minor success is absolutely amazing. What can other counties do to try and replicate it?
God almighty, imagine the crying if Dubs were achieving at minor!

You see this is what it leads to. I've been saying it for years. What do you think other counties are going to do to try to keep up? Invest huge money themselves! Some have done it at senior level with varying degrees of success. Others, like Kerry have tried to emulate Dublin's method, player creation is the key. Where does that leave us? Only counties with money can compete! That's the road we're going down. That's why this is such an important issue and one we have to tackle now. Look already at the calls for the b championship. That's the beginning of the end for Gaelic football in many counties. It'll be like hurling!

25 of those counties never kept up...
That's fair enough. I remember Jimmy Grey, the club chairman,  saying when the controversy over the proposed Dublin Metro erupted, that upwards of 2,000 youngsters used the club's facilities. That's an unbelievable number but Jimmy is a gentleman and I wouldn't doubt his word.
I have also heard of a junior club (Rathmines Gaels?) that was protesting at City Council plans to take away their only pitch, which is out somewhere in Inchicore. According to their spokesman, they had 400 kids involved. Again, the number is amazing. I can also see why the junor club needs extra help but Na Finna is not in the same category, IMO.
They already have the pitches and changing rooms and most of their activities are internal games. They also depend on selfless volunteers to organise and coach the underage players. Do they need the same per capita grant aid as does the junior club? I often think that Dublin's volunteer coaches perform a massive baby sitting service for busy mums and disinterested dads all over Dublin.
To see what I mean, take a good look at the hordes of kiddies, running about an generally having a thoroughly enjoyable experience.
Then try to viualise the number that will still be around at senior level. Better still, how many would you expect to be still active club members at minor level or , say, u15  and other age levels you care to think of? There is a frightening haemorrhage of members as the age levels increase.
Why is this?
If you were looking at the number of children involved in most rural clubs at  weekends, you'd be lucky to count thirty or thereabouts. Yet the percentage of those who will stay with their clubs and become active members of their community will be far higher. Again, the reason for this should be fairly obvious to all.

They are a hurling renting off a football club. Football club is selling land and telling them to do one. Nothing to do with the council.

But you have hit the nail on the head. The money is going to middle class superclubs who currently provide a better babysitting service than soccer or rugby. But retention is poor, at 15 they are playing different sports. But look at the Dublin teams, mostly from.affluent areas. So its partially working, but risky.
I read about this club in one of the tabloids so I'm not surprised that the article had a gaffe or two.
Yah, there is a big drop out around 15 when young bucks tend to start losing the run of themselves whenever they see young wans knocking about. That's common in all sports but the problem is worse with the Gah because of the lack of opportunity to play at a higher level in many cases.
Take my nephew and his mates for instance. A gang of  then played with Ballyboden quite happily from about 8 or 9 up to the end their u14th. year.
Then, at least one of them didn't get notified when training for the u15s commenced. Nothing..zilch..sweet FA.
When they found out the reason why, and they had to ask before they were told, all of them decided to pack it in. The neff took it badly and ever since, at least 10 years later, he's prefer to go to Hell than Ballyboden in any shape or form.
That is not an isolated instance, btw. I have heard of far too many kids where the same thing has happened and will continue to happen. It's all very well to talk about quality above quantity but this can cause a lot of heartbreak and besides, runs counter to the ethos of the GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 22, 2019, 08:12:44 AM
Millions being spent in Dublin and yet small rural clubs barely able to field due to government and GAA policy
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/times-up-famous-gaa-club-calls-for-rule-change-amid-struggle-to-field-senior-team-37841559.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/times-up-famous-gaa-club-calls-for-rule-change-amid-struggle-to-field-senior-team-37841559.html)
and before you ask why is it he GAA's fault?
because they haven't bothered to put in place rural development plans which would ensure small rural clubs remain viable.

Valencia island might seem like a far flung place from Dublin but this issue is happening in clubs in the midlands and in the west
club players are walking away from the game at 18/19
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 24, 2019, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
It's interesting that for all the obsessing over Dublin's finances no one seems to have any problem with the fixture mess every year and player burn out. College players are being flogged with games/training at a time if the year when pitches are at their worst bit all everyone seems outraged with is how many games the dubs get in croke park and how much money is spent on promoting football for youngsters. The mind boggles

Why not start a thread about it so? People are rightly up in arms over this. It is clearly favouring one particular. Speaking of boggling minds, I am perplexed how all you Dubs cannot see anything wrong with this. That in itself tells the real truth.

Genuinely can't understand why people spend their hard earned money on this farce anymore. I stopped going years ago and its the best thing I ever did.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 24, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: mup on February 24, 2019, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
It's interesting that for all the obsessing over Dublin's finances no one seems to have any problem with the fixture mess every year and player burn out. College players are being flogged with games/training at a time if the year when pitches are at their worst bit all everyone seems outraged with is how many games the dubs get in croke park and how much money is spent on promoting football for youngsters. The mind boggles

Why not start a thread about it so? People are rightly up in arms over this. It is clearly favouring one particular. Speaking of boggling minds, I am perplexed how all you Dubs cannot see anything wrong with this. That in itself tells the real truth.

Genuinely can't understand why people spend their hard earned money on this farce anymore. I stopped going years ago and its the best thing I ever did.

Over 60% of Congress delegates weren't "up in arms" when it came to Donegal's proposal last Saturday.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on February 24, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.
The elite player pathway has NOTHING to do with the millions in games development funding.
Unpaid ex-player volunteers coach the Dublin development panels. GDOs don't go next nor near them.
Yes, they are well looked after with meal plans, dieticians, etc but same as many other counties.
And if they get to senior panel, there's a plethora of coaches, and some of them are getting well paid, but again same as Kerry, Mayo, etc, although i'd say we have more and pay more, but again totally irrelevant to the GDO funds which goes to clubs

If the GDO funding stopped, it wouldn't impact one iota on the funding for the elite teams. Completely different pots. If the GDO funding stopped, we'd just halve the number of GDOs, clubs would likely band together to have one between two.

Club game is flourishing in Dublin. As I said, it's a numbers games.  More players, more members, more contributions, so super facilities. Huge numbers of volunteer coaches.  Very good organization of club games in the county (exception being the U21s). We have most of the biggest clubs in the country, clubs with huge picks, will inevitably win many club AllIrelands over the next decade in both codes.
On a very serious note, can you say where the millions spent on games development is actually going?
It certainly isn't being spent on coaching kids in primary schools.
I am not saying there is a fiddle of any sort here but I can see any obvious signs of large sums of money being spent on anything to do with kids' coaching/playing.
Games development fund was something like 1.3m to Dublin last year.
About 90 GDOs at 14k comes to close to that.
They spend half their time in schools (funded by games development funds) and half their time with the club (funded by club members) is how I understand it works.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 24, 2019, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 24, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: mup on February 24, 2019, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
It's interesting that for all the obsessing over Dublin's finances no one seems to have any problem with the fixture mess every year and player burn out. College players are being flogged with games/training at a time if the year when pitches are at their worst bit all everyone seems outraged with is how many games the dubs get in croke park and how much money is spent on promoting football for youngsters. The mind boggles

Why not start a thread about it so? People are rightly up in arms over this. It is clearly favouring one particular. Speaking of boggling minds, I am perplexed how all you Dubs cannot see anything wrong with this. That in itself tells the real truth.

Genuinely can't understand why people spend their hard earned money on this farce anymore. I stopped going years ago and its the best thing I ever did.

Over 60% of Congress delegates weren't "up in arms" when it came to Donegal's proposal last Saturday.

One wonders why. It doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 24, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 24, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: mup on February 24, 2019, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
It's interesting that for all the obsessing over Dublin's finances no one seems to have any problem with the fixture mess every year and player burn out. College players are being flogged with games/training at a time if the year when pitches are at their worst bit all everyone seems outraged with is how many games the dubs get in croke park and how much money is spent on promoting football for youngsters. The mind boggles

Why not start a thread about it so? People are rightly up in arms over this. It is clearly favouring one particular. Speaking of boggling minds, I am perplexed how all you Dubs cannot see anything wrong with this. That in itself tells the real truth.

Genuinely can't understand why people spend their hard earned money on this farce anymore. I stopped going years ago and its the best thing I ever did.

Over 60% of Congress delegates weren't "up in arms" when it came to Donegal's proposal last Saturday.

The 60% that voted have little or no hope of making the Super 8's. So they are happy to just take the money like any whore would. Fair dues to Dublin CEO John Costello who stayed out of the argument and did not try to influence the vote in Dublins favour.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on February 24, 2019, 10:12:29 PM
The GAA appear to have mastered the "event". Dublin games are becoming events now and nights out for gangs. There were even a few stag parties around the place.

The game is becoming a nonsense at this stage.

Anyway fair play to Dublin and congratulations on the 5 in a row.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 24, 2019, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 24, 2019, 10:12:29 PM
The GAA appear to have mastered the "event". Dublin games are becoming events now and nights out for gangs. There were even a few stag parties around the place.

The game is becoming a nonsense at this stage.

Anyway fair play to Dublin and congratulations on the 5 in a row.

Were you at the Dublin Mayo game on the weekend?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2019, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 24, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 21, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 20, 2019, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 20, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Again, you're just not listening because you've no interest in listening.

Did Cluxton go from talented hot head to the best keeper of all time because of money?
It's moronic nonsense to even suggest it. First, he copped himself on. Second, he worked his arse off so his god given talent could give the results that came. He's an absolute freak of a man. A genius. A nutter. A hero. Money was and is completely and utterly irrelevant.

We'd no reliable freetaker in the pre Gilroy years. Mossy Quinn, Wayne McCarthy, Johnny McNally, Ray Cosgrove and a few more were all given the job, and were all not quite reliable enough. Almost impossible to win an All Ireland without a good freetaker.
I guarantee that no player in Ireland has put more practice into freetaking that Dean Rock. Living and working in Dublin has helped that considerably. Money has been irrelevant.
We'd no reliable full back for a good few years too. Trying the likes of Barry Cahill and Denis Bastick there!
But then came along Rory O'Carroll to make an enormous difference. Money again irrelevant.

New tactics from Gavin has allowed us to get away with playing 3 corner backs since Rory moved away. I also think opposition managers may have missed a trick in not going after what I think has been Dublin's biggest weakness these last few years.

The GDOs have had practically zero influence on all Dublin hurlers and footballers. As I've said, our lads do get looked after very well, as do Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny, Limerick and others. And we've no travel.

We have an amazing bunch of players and the crop is only growing due to population, not money. But boy, we're going to miss Clucko when he's gone, and I doubt the next guy up after Rock will be as prolific.

It's the other way round, you're not listening because you don't want to.

I've heard all these excuses before. The money isn't irrelevant, Cluxton is irrelevant. Was he not a genius prior to 2011? Along came a host of new players from the production line. Look up your defence from that year, that's what won you that All Ireland.

Again, these players you are talking about came through the system! They were created by top class coaching. That includes Rock, O'Carroll and a host of others. You can't have a highly financed elite player pathway put in place on one hand and then denying it had anything to do with creating elite level players on the other!

Apart from actually creating top class talent, having your underage system bankrolled has freed up funds for other areas. Hiring a professional basketball coach is one area that has paid dividends. Having a whole list of other paid coaches and backroom staff also helps.

I have provided tables which show exactly what paid coaches and a highly financed system can bring to a county. I see you've ignored the club one I just posted. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Denying millions upon millions of euro has had a huge effect on Dublin GAA is like claiming black is white.
The elite player pathway has NOTHING to do with the millions in games development funding.
Unpaid ex-player volunteers coach the Dublin development panels. GDOs don't go next nor near them.
Yes, they are well looked after with meal plans, dieticians, etc but same as many other counties.
And if they get to senior panel, there's a plethora of coaches, and some of them are getting well paid, but again same as Kerry, Mayo, etc, although i'd say we have more and pay more, but again totally irrelevant to the GDO funds which goes to clubs

If the GDO funding stopped, it wouldn't impact one iota on the funding for the elite teams. Completely different pots. If the GDO funding stopped, we'd just halve the number of GDOs, clubs would likely band together to have one between two.

Club game is flourishing in Dublin. As I said, it's a numbers games.  More players, more members, more contributions, so super facilities. Huge numbers of volunteer coaches.  Very good organization of club games in the county (exception being the U21s). We have most of the biggest clubs in the country, clubs with huge picks, will inevitably win many club AllIrelands over the next decade in both codes.
On a very serious note, can you say where the millions spent on games development is actually going?
It certainly isn't being spent on coaching kids in primary schools.
I am not saying there is a fiddle of any sort here but I can see any obvious signs of large sums of money being spent on anything to do with kids' coaching/playing.
Games development fund was something like 1.3m to Dublin last year.
About 90 GDOs at 14k comes to close to that.
They spend half their time in schools (funded by games development funds) and half their time with the club (funded by club members) is how I understand it works.
Yes, that's what I've been led to believe also.
The trouble is that I see no sign of serious GAA activity in the few schools I stay in touch with. There well may be others that employ coaches but I imagine I would have heard about them by now. In my former school, the local GAA club did provide some coaching okay but that was before the GDO scheme started.
ASAIK, the club paid half the wages of the two lads involved and Fas paid the rest. They also went to matches and looked after the playing side of things while a few ladies were the official supervisors. (Needed for insurance purposes.)
I don't know who lost interest first, kids or teachers, but the scheme wound down after a few years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on February 24, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
Quote[Were you at the Dublin Mayo game on the weekend?/quote]

Yes that's what I was referring to.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 24, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 24, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
Quote[Were you at the Dublin Mayo game on the weekend?

Yes that's what I was referring to.

Gave up going to watch Mayo last year. Just before the Connacht Final. The disgust and conflict were taking away the enjoyment. There were just to many things wrong that it was hard to ignore them anymore.  It hard when you love something but you know in your heart and sole that there is a Financial doped monster like Dublin and you are only contributing to making it bigger. It was not an easy decision, I lived GAA. Anyway I look from a distance anymore. Friends who are still on the (false) bandwagon don't want to hear reality. The silence says it all when you put your views to them. They still live in their romantic view of the GAA. A GAA of the people. Hah!

I don't feel sorry for myself. I've had great days out with Mayo. What worries me is I have 3 kids 11,10 and 7 and I won't be bringing them to games. They are not going to get the bug! Not from me anyway. How could you introduce them to this? They play and love the game for the club and i will encourage that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on February 25, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
As FTB says I felt the same a few years back but chose to ignore it.

What sticks in the memory for me is a few years ago at the back of the hogan stand where we go for pints at half time on peoples eyleline (beside the "crossbar"plastic pint place) is a memorable plaque to the victims of Bloody Sunday of 1920 and looking down upon it was an advert for king crisps "king of the hill" it said with Berno in full pose.

I'm probably getting too old and too cynical but I feel my game our game the games we were reared on are slowly slipping into a corporate rugby type NFL type trap.

The soul I'm afraid is eroding.




Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 26, 2019, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 24, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
Quote[Were you at the Dublin Mayo game on the weekend?

Yes that's what I was referring to.

Gave up going to watch Mayo last year. Just before the Connacht Final. The disgust and conflict were taking away the enjoyment. There were just to many things wrong that it was hard to ignore them anymore.  It hard when you love something but you know in your heart and sole that there is a Financial doped monster like Dublin and you are only contributing to making it bigger. It was not an easy decision, I lived GAA. Anyway I look from a distance anymore. Friends who are still on the (false) bandwagon don't want to hear reality. The silence says it all when you put your views to them. They still live in their romantic view of the GAA. A GAA of the people. Hah!

I don't feel sorry for myself. I've had great days out with Mayo. What worries me is I have 3 kids 11,10 and 7 and I won't be bringing them to games. They are not going to get the bug! Not from me anyway. How could you introduce them to this? They play and love the game for the club and i will encourage that.

Is that because the players can pick the team and influence managerial selections for finals?

A disgrace they are. Some of those players should be put of the panel.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 26, 2019, 01:39:46 PM
Also the club should come first, Inter county is a part of a wider GAA, don't give up just because of the politics in Mayo football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 26, 2019, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 26, 2019, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: highorlow on February 24, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
Quote[Were you at the Dublin Mayo game on the weekend?

Yes that's what I was referring to.

Gave up going to watch Mayo last year. Just before the Connacht Final. The disgust and conflict were taking away the enjoyment. There were just to many things wrong that it was hard to ignore them anymore.  It hard when you love something but you know in your heart and sole that there is a Financial doped monster like Dublin and you are only contributing to making it bigger. It was not an easy decision, I lived GAA. Anyway I look from a distance anymore. Friends who are still on the (false) bandwagon don't want to hear reality. The silence says it all when you put your views to them. They still live in their romantic view of the GAA. A GAA of the people. Hah!

I don't feel sorry for myself. I've had great days out with Mayo. What worries me is I have 3 kids 11,10 and 7 and I won't be bringing them to games. They are not going to get the bug! Not from me anyway. How could you introduce them to this? They play and love the game for the club and i will encourage that.

Is that because the players can pick the team and influence managerial selections for finals?

A disgrace they are. Some of those players should be put of the panel.


Can you translate that into English?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on May 30, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Great bit of business here! And great to see a small club get to use Croke Park and GAA President John Horan to promote their Sponsor. Dublin's John Horan is the right man in the right place.  ;)

https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/ (https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on May 30, 2019, 11:58:40 PM
2 Tier GAA :(
Next week well have Elphin announcing a link up with Elphin Mart .......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Great bit of business here! And great to see a small club get to use Croke Park and GAA President John Horan to promote their Sponsor. Dublin's John Horan is the right man in the right place.  ;)

https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/ (https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/)
Why is the president of the GAA at a club announcement?
Was he just hanging around upstairs?

Cuala's sponsorship deal is probably worth more than most counties get.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on May 31, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Great bit of business here! And great to see a small club get to use Croke Park and GAA President John Horan to promote their Sponsor. Dublin's John Horan is the right man in the right place.  ;)

https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/ (https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/)
Why is the president of the GAA at a club announcement?
Was he just hanging around upstairs?

Cuala's sponsorship deal is probably worth more than most counties get.

John Horan is at the announcement because he is a Dub, promoting a Dublin Club! I can't see that there is anything wrong with that? You have to stand up and help out your own. It is also only natural that Cuala should get to use Croke Park for the use of the promoting their sponsor. This is a once in a lifetime deal and you can be doing it's promotion down in the local community centre. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 31, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Must ring John and croke park next time our club gets a sponsor on board
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Great bit of business here! And great to see a small club get to use Croke Park and GAA President John Horan to promote their Sponsor. Dublin's John Horan is the right man in the right place.  ;)

https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/ (https://www.cualagaa.ie/cuala-and-amgan-announce-ground-breaking-partnership/)
Why is the president of the GAA at a club announcement?
Was he just hanging around upstairs?

Cuala's sponsorship deal is probably worth more than most counties get.

John Horan is at the announcement because he is a Dub, promoting a Dublin Club! I can't see that there is anything wrong with that? You have to stand up and help out your own. It is also only natural that Cuala should get to use Croke Park for the use of the promoting their sponsor. This is a once in a lifetime deal and you can be doing it's promotion down in the local community centre.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 11, 2019, 10:35:09 PM
The main thing is the huge huge advantages Dublin have over the rest of the country. Financial being the main one and also of course sheer numbers.

Ludicrously unfair.

I'd go so far to say Dublin have "doped" their way to success. I don't mean by using banned substances but by financial means.

The phrase "throw your medals in the bin because you got them from cheating" sums it up well.

Jim G, The dubs team and fans know this but it's taboo to admit it openly.

A good number admit as much when it is raised especially after the latest empty "win" and a few pints are had.

It will continue to ruin it until substantial reforms are implemented.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.

Good man Dublin's John Horan. The best line was

''These things go in cycles and I'm quite sure with the obvious improvement that's coming in both Kildare and Meath that Leinster will come back in time to be competitive."


Dublin have had some cycle of dominance in Leinster? 15 years is an impressive cylcle.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on June 12, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.

Good man Dublin's John Horan. The best line was

''These things go in cycles and I'm quite sure with the obvious improvement that's coming in both Kildare and Meath that Leinster will come back in time to be competitive."


Dublin have had some cycle of dominance in Leinster? 15 years is an impressive cylcle.

15 years, a marvelous achievement, just shows what hard work by volunteers can achieve.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 12, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.

Good man Dublin's John Horan. The best line was

''These things go in cycles and I'm quite sure with the obvious improvement that's coming in both Kildare and Meath that Leinster will come back in time to be competitive."


Dublin have had some cycle of dominance in Leinster? 15 years is an impressive cylcle.

15 years, a marvelous achievement, just shows what hard work by volunteers can achieve.

Yes, volunteers in other parts of the country clearly need to up their game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on June 12, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
Quote"Dublin's success - a lot of it is based on voluntary effort and a games programme. Yeah, we do have the [paid] coaches going into schools and that is a benefit, but that project is 50 per cent funded by the clubs. Schools are the predominant area in which the paid coaches work and they work not alone in hurling and football but in camogie and ladies football as well."

What's this "games programme" he mentions, can we do that in Mayo?

This Horan la is an embarrassment to the GAA but the real deal for the Dubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on June 15, 2019, 09:20:29 PM
Dublin hurlers
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 15, 2019, 09:34:49 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 12, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
Quote"Dublin's success - a lot of it is based on voluntary effort and a games programme. Yeah, we do have the [paid] coaches going into schools and that is a benefit, but that project is 50 per cent funded by the clubs. Schools are the predominant area in which the paid coaches work and they work not alone in hurling and football but in camogie and ladies football as well."

What's this "games programme" he mentions, can we do that in Mayo?

This Horan la is an embarrassment to the GAA but the real deal for the Dubs.
Clearly the Dubs have stumbled onto the magic formula that no other county can replicate

Also, great win for Dublin hurlers
Pity they keep losing lads to the professional footballers
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 15, 2019, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

You will have trickles of above average players coming through in a county as big as Dublin with or without the help of money. The key is the above average amount of young players that surround these players in the Dublin squad. You will notice that the Dublin team is now regenerating year on year.  This is where the money makes the difference.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 16, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Fair comment Dinny
My honest belief is your mistaken re the GDOs having anything to do with the depth of the panel. But of course impossible to prove either way.
My view is that once players are out of minor they're straight into serious football at Div 1 and 2, every team going 3 or 4 sessions/matches per week. And we're losing less players to soccer and other sports than ever before, where other counties are possibly losing more. And our club structures is a huge part of that, a calendar laid out in January and stuck to, and high quality games guaranteed.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on June 16, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2019, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 16, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
QuoteGAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html)

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.
Dinny, in your review of the Leinster semi-finals, did you not say that Dublin players worked harder than any of the other 3 teams?

The 15 year Dublin dominance in Leinster that others have mentioned is interesting. There was a time under Caffrey that people used to say Dublin's easy run in Leinster was a big disadvantage as they were ill prepared when they came up against the proper teams, and got stuffed when it counted.

The rest of Leinster have been underperforming since before Dublin became a powerhouse. So maybe it's in the process of being fixed now, but there's definitely been plenty wrong in Meath and Kildare that has absolutely nothing to do with the Dubs.

I'd love someone to explain how the GDO money made Stephen Cluxton the best keeper, James McCarthy and Jack McCaffrey the best wing backs, Cian O'Sullivan the best sweeper, Brian Fenton the best midfielder, Dean Rock the best freetaker, etc, etc, when none of them received training from GDOs ??

I never said they worked harder than the other 3 teams but I was impressed by their work rate. So the three components that relate to work rate is mental attitude, lifestyle and physical preparation. Dublin spend 100s of thousands on those components. GD0s ensure Dublin capture more of the 1% than ever before once the 1% has been identified, Dublin then have the heavily funded structures & processes to develop this raw talent further. It's a well oiled heavily financed machine.
Fair comment Dinny
My honest belief is your mistaken re the GDOs having anything to do with the depth of the panel. But of course impossible to prove either way.
My view is that once players are out of minor they're straight into serious football at Div 1 and 2, every team going 3 or 4 sessions/matches per week. And we're losing less players to soccer and other sports than ever before, where other counties are possibly losing more. And our club structures is a huge part of that, a calendar laid out in January and stuck to, and high quality games guaranteed.

I haven't changed my mind, Dublin have 3 massive organic things in their favour - population, culture/tradition and club scene. Those 3 will always ensure Dublin being competitive on their own. However leaving aside the grants, Dublin's ability to attract sponsors ensures that their teams are the best prepared in the country. I have proposed and still propose that spending be capped and any overspend his hit with a wealth tax.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: naka on June 17, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/
mainstream reporting of teh monies coming into Dublin isdefinitely going to start putting pressure on Central Council to realise that the dublin monopoly on funding is killing football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 17, 2019, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 17, 2019, 09:54:53 AM

I haven't changed my mind, Dublin have 3 massive organic things in their favour - population, culture/tradition and club scene. Those 3 will always ensure Dublin being competitive on their own. However leaving aside the grants, Dublin's ability to attract sponsors ensures that their teams are the best prepared in the country. I have proposed and still propose that spending be capped and any overspend his hit with a wealth tax.

Agreed.
In an ideal world the only difference on spend on intercounty teams would be dependant on how long the team remained in the championship. I think it would need GAA to take over the running of all marketing, sponsorship, donations, overseas trips, etc. and to review (or control) all spend on panels in each county. A big ask, but definitely doable with the right people.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 17, 2019, 02:26:40 PM
Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on June 17, 2019, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2019, 02:26:40 PM
Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

Sure there is nothing to defend.

As highlighted above, The one i would like to see in caps on expenditure of inter county teams or all teams recieve the same allocated amount from Croke Park per month, year, competition etc.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

Not him. He robbed all my material though and is making a living off it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 19, 2019, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 17, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Lads, it took a long time but Lance Armstrong was eventually stripped of all his titles. He was arrogant, abusive, lied his hole off about his doping, basically the same as any Dub supporter now but they eventually got the cheat. That's what will happen here.

Well said Ewan  ;D 😂😂😂

Not him. He robbed all my material though and is making a living off it.

What about "Dont Matter " contribution?? ;) ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rrhf on June 19, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Quote from: naka on June 17, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/
mainstream reporting of teh monies coming into Dublin isdefinitely going to start putting pressure on Central Council to realise that the dublin monopoly on funding is killing football.
The rich get richer and we are all the poorer for it. The Gaa should have a socialistic societal outlook but instead is dominated by capitalism
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 23, 2019, 09:07:36 AM
   https://www.rte.ie/amp/1056894/?__twitter_impression=true   (https://www.rte.ie/amp/1056894/?__twitter_impression=true)


Feckin delusional. The GAA in Leinster is dead with this level of spin been thrown about.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 11:01:36 AM
The GAA have morphed into the British government.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Quote"The Leinster Championship is quite vibrant outside the Dublin scenario. During the summer, you have some very good matches - the same in the other provinces," said Reynolds.

These lads are now completely deluded. Reminds me of the time FF and Dermot Ahern were denying the bailout.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 23, 2019, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Quote"The Leinster Championship is quite vibrant outside the Dublin scenario. During the summer, you have some very good matches - the same in the other provinces," said Reynolds.

These lads are now completely deluded. Reminds me of the time FF and Dermot Ahern were denying the bailout.

They are not deluded, they have just gone head first down a road that there is no turning back from.  But sure isn't it great to have a really strong Dublin. The GAA need a strong Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 24, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0624/1057155-review-of-gaa-funding-not-on-the-gaa-agenda-horan/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2019, 11:32:46 AM
If central council won't do it, its up to the delegates of every other county in Ireland.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 24, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
The same delegates that voted 2 to 1 against the Motion to even the playing field in the so called "Soooooper 8s" ????
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 24, 2019, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2019, 11:32:46 AM
If central council won't do it, its up to the delegates of every other county in Ireland.

from the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-congress-delegation-numbers-facing-revision-1.1788835
(https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-congress-delegation-numbers-facing-revision-1.1788835)
GAA CONGRESS: THE CLUB NUMBERS GAME

CP OA Del
MUNSTER 469 645
Clare 53 84 8
Cork 154 259 10
Kerry 71 73 7
Limerick 70 101 10
Tipperary 72 72 7
Waterford 49 56 6

CONNACHT 226 212
Galway 87 80 8
Leitrim 24 24 4
Mayo 56 50 5
Roscommon 33 32 4
Sligo 26 26 4

LEINSTER 559 685
Carlow 29 33 4
Dublin 90 134 10
Kildare 49 57 6
Kilkenny 43 41 4
Laois 46 46 5
Longford 24 27 4
Louth 42 42 4
Meath 59 59 6
Offaly 44 61 6
Westmeath 45 47 5
Wexford 49 93 9
Wicklow 39 45 5

ULSTER 374 584
Antrim 45 108 10
Armagh 51 56 6
Cavan 44 59 6
Derry 40 60 6
Donegal 40 63 6
Down 48 70 7
Fermanagh 23 50 5
Monaghan 34 50 5
Tyrone 49 68 7

OVERSEAS 264 391
Asia 17 22 4
Aus/NZ 39 64 6
Britain 63 83 28
[London, Herts, Warwickshire, Gloucestershire, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Scotland]
Canada 18 19 4
Europe 33 71 7
New York 27 40 4
North America 67 92 9

TOTAL 1,892 2,518

P = Clubs on Croke Park's Club Wall.
OA = Officially affiliated clubs for purposes of congress registration.
Del = Size of delegation at 2014 annual congress – not including where applicable a county's Central Council representative.
Delegates are based on one delegate per 10 clubs, to a maximum of 10 per county and a minimum of four
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
It's gas. Centres of excellence such as what Tyrone and Kerry have are held up as reasons these counties are successful.

And yet simultaneously they are also held up as reasons for failure.

When did the nonsense about Croke Park being such an advantage to Dublin start? When they started winning, by any chance?

Funny that in the last decade when Dublin didn't win, it was commonly asserted by people from other counties that playing in Croke Park was actually a millstone around Dublin's neck because other teams raised their game when they went there.

Funny, I don't remember Donegal whinging when they had to play three Ulster finals in Clones against Monaghan, who play nearly all their home league and championship home games there.

Dublin played all their home games including league games in Croke Park up to and including the end of 1995.

Funny, I don't remember anybody complaining about that then.

But maybe back then the rest of the GAA hadn't yet decided to become perpetual self-pitying victims and whingers.

This "debate" is proof that non-Dublin people are more than prepared to use two directly contradictory sides of an argument when it suits them.

A load of nonsense, in other words.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
It's gas. Centres of excellence such as what Tyrone and Kerry have are held up as reasons these counties are successful.

And yet simultaneously they are also held up as reasons for failure.

When did the nonsense about Croke Park being such an advantage to Dublin start? When they started winning, by any chance?

Funny that in the last decade when Dublin didn't win, it was commonly asserted by people from other counties that playing in Croke Park was actually a millstone around Dublin's neck because other teams raised their game when they went there.

Funny, I don't remember Donegal whinging when they had to play three Ulster finals in Clones against Monaghan, who play nearly all their home league and championship home games there.

Dublin played all their home games including league games in Croke Park up to and including the end of 1995.

Funny, I don't remember anybody complaining about that then.

But maybe back then the rest of the GAA hadn't yet decided to become perpetual self-pitying victims and whingers.

This "debate" is proof that non-Dublin people are more than prepared to use two directly contradictory sides of an argument when it suits them.

A load of nonsense, in other words.

It's gas indeed. Gas how you are taking all these advantages separately.

Now what happens when you put them all together?

Were Dublin getting the millions in '95? Are Donegal or Tyrone or Kerry getting the millions that Dublin get? Monaghan play nearly all their games in Clones (Monaghans real home ground by the way) - I seriously doubt if that's true. And well you know that too.

Seeing 'the rest of the GAA' as whingers is a bit rich now. I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.

Keep beating that drum though.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
It's gas. Centres of excellence such as what Tyrone and Kerry have are held up as reasons these counties are successful.

And yet simultaneously they are also held up as reasons for failure.

When did the nonsense about Croke Park being such an advantage to Dublin start? When they started winning, by any chance?

Funny that in the last decade when Dublin didn't win, it was commonly asserted by people from other counties that playing in Croke Park was actually a millstone around Dublin's neck because other teams raised their game when they went there.

Funny, I don't remember Donegal whinging when they had to play three Ulster finals in Clones against Monaghan, who play nearly all their home league and championship home games there.

Dublin played all their home games including league games in Croke Park up to and including the end of 1995.

Funny, I don't remember anybody complaining about that then.

But maybe back then the rest of the GAA hadn't yet decided to become perpetual self-pitying victims and whingers.

This "debate" is proof that non-Dublin people are more than prepared to use two directly contradictory sides of an argument when it suits them.

A load of nonsense, in other words.

It's gas indeed. Gas how you are taking all these advantages separately.

Now what happens when you put them all together?

Were Dublin getting the millions in '95? Are Donegal or Tyrone or Kerry getting the millions that Dublin get? Monaghan play nearly all their games in Clones (Monaghans real home ground by the way) - I seriously doubt if that's true. And well you know that too.

Seeing 'the rest of the GAA' as whingers is a bit rich now. I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.

Keep beating that drum though.
You still have nothing but a whinge

You should ring up Liveline if you're that agitated

Monaghan do play the vast majority of their home games in Clones - they play an odd league game in Castleblaney or Iniskeen - I'm surprised you didn't know that seeing as seem so confident in your opinions

Be nice to have something to back them up with however
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 24, 2019, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
It's gas. Centres of excellence such as what Tyrone and Kerry have are held up as reasons these counties are successful.

And yet simultaneously they are also held up as reasons for failure.

When did the nonsense about Croke Park being such an advantage to Dublin start? When they started winning, by any chance?

Funny that in the last decade when Dublin didn't win, it was commonly asserted by people from other counties that playing in Croke Park was actually a millstone around Dublin's neck because other teams raised their game when they went there.

Funny, I don't remember Donegal whinging when they had to play three Ulster finals in Clones against Monaghan, who play nearly all their home league and championship home games there.

Dublin played all their home games including league games in Croke Park up to and including the end of 1995.

Funny, I don't remember anybody complaining about that then.

But maybe back then the rest of the GAA hadn't yet decided to become perpetual self-pitying victims and whingers.

This "debate" is proof that non-Dublin people are more than prepared to use two directly contradictory sides of an argument when it suits them.

A load of nonsense, in other words.

It's gas indeed. Gas how you are taking all these advantages separately.

Now what happens when you put them all together?

Were Dublin getting the millions in '95? Are Donegal or Tyrone or Kerry getting the millions that Dublin get? Monaghan play nearly all their games in Clones (Monaghans real home ground by the way) - I seriously doubt if that's true. And well you know that too.

Seeing 'the rest of the GAA' as whingers is a bit rich now. I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.

Keep beating that drum though.
You still have nothing but a whinge

You should ring up Liveline if you're that agitated

Monaghan do play the vast majority of their home games in Clones - they play an odd league game in Castleblaney or Iniskeen - I'm surprised you didn't know that seeing as seem so confident in your opinions

Be nice to have something to back them up with however

You are not too bad offering your own opinion are? Over 2000 posts to my measly 450+. And you call me opininated? You probably will deny that too.

God help you if the basis of your argument is where Monaghan play their games. Yet you refuse to address the big elephant in the room.

You are yet another ostrich.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2019, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.


his head isn't lodged in the sand.... 'tis somewhere else (that would also spew shite).
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
It's gas. Centres of excellence such as what Tyrone and Kerry have are held up as reasons these counties are successful.

And yet simultaneously they are also held up as reasons for failure.

When did the nonsense about Croke Park being such an advantage to Dublin start? When they started winning, by any chance?

Funny that in the last decade when Dublin didn't win, it was commonly asserted by people from other counties that playing in Croke Park was actually a millstone around Dublin's neck because other teams raised their game when they went there.

Funny, I don't remember Donegal whinging when they had to play three Ulster finals in Clones against Monaghan, who play nearly all their home league and championship home games there.

Dublin played all their home games including league games in Croke Park up to and including the end of 1995.

Funny, I don't remember anybody complaining about that then.

But maybe back then the rest of the GAA hadn't yet decided to become perpetual self-pitying victims and whingers.

This "debate" is proof that non-Dublin people are more than prepared to use two directly contradictory sides of an argument when it suits them.

A load of nonsense, in other words.

It's gas indeed. Gas how you are taking all these advantages separately.

Now what happens when you put them all together?

Were Dublin getting the millions in '95? Are Donegal or Tyrone or Kerry getting the millions that Dublin get? Monaghan play nearly all their games in Clones (Monaghans real home ground by the way) - I seriously doubt if that's true. And well you know that too.

Seeing 'the rest of the GAA' as whingers is a bit rich now. I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.

Keep beating that drum though.
You still have nothing but a whinge

You should ring up Liveline if you're that agitated

Monaghan do play the vast majority of their home games in Clones - they play an odd league game in Castleblaney or Iniskeen - I'm surprised you didn't know that seeing as seem so confident in your opinions

Be nice to have something to back them up with however

You are not too bad offering your own opinion are? Over 2000 posts to my measly 450+. And you call me opininated? You probably will deny that too.

God help you if the basis of your argument is where Monaghan play their games. Yet you refuse to address the big elephant in the room.

You are yet another ostrich.


I hear that the new chant of the Kildare supporters is "Óchón agus óchón-ó!". That should get the team fired up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2019, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2019, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.


his head isn't lodged in the sand.... 'tis somewhere else (that would also spew shite).

Now I know why I relish every goal that the Dubs score. COYBIB
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 24, 2019, 08:19:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
More if the "Longford need to pull up their socks" type of sh1te.
Longford are one of the very few Leinster counties who have punched their weight or above it in the last 15 years or so

They lost by 4 points to a team which made the All-Ireland final last year and have consistently caused shocks against bigger teams in the qualifiers

Longford are never going to win an All-Ireland or come close to it - they have always been a minnow and will always be a minnow

That's the reality of being a county with 40k, the second lowest population of the 32 counties

But they do alright with what they have

Kildare have 220k and Meath have 195k

Both counties have vast suburban estates, are well located economically and have young populations

What's their excuse for being shit?

Not being financially doped. Not playing the majority of their games at home - even their neutral ones. Having to maintain their own training centres.

Need I go on?
It's gas. Centres of excellence such as what Tyrone and Kerry have are held up as reasons these counties are successful.

And yet simultaneously they are also held up as reasons for failure.

When did the nonsense about Croke Park being such an advantage to Dublin start? When they started winning, by any chance?

Funny that in the last decade when Dublin didn't win, it was commonly asserted by people from other counties that playing in Croke Park was actually a millstone around Dublin's neck because other teams raised their game when they went there.

Funny, I don't remember Donegal whinging when they had to play three Ulster finals in Clones against Monaghan, who play nearly all their home league and championship home games there.

Dublin played all their home games including league games in Croke Park up to and including the end of 1995.

Funny, I don't remember anybody complaining about that then.

But maybe back then the rest of the GAA hadn't yet decided to become perpetual self-pitying victims and whingers.

This "debate" is proof that non-Dublin people are more than prepared to use two directly contradictory sides of an argument when it suits them.

A load of nonsense, in other words.

It's gas indeed. Gas how you are taking all these advantages separately.

Now what happens when you put them all together?

Were Dublin getting the millions in '95? Are Donegal or Tyrone or Kerry getting the millions that Dublin get? Monaghan play nearly all their games in Clones (Monaghans real home ground by the way) - I seriously doubt if that's true. And well you know that too.

Seeing 'the rest of the GAA' as whingers is a bit rich now. I'm surprised you can see anything to be honest considering you spend most of your time with your head in the sand.

Keep beating that drum though.
You still have nothing but a whinge

You should ring up Liveline if you're that agitated

Monaghan do play the vast majority of their home games in Clones - they play an odd league game in Castleblaney or Iniskeen - I'm surprised you didn't know that seeing as seem so confident in your opinions

Be nice to have something to back them up with however

You are not too bad offering your own opinion are? Over 2000 posts to my measly 450+. And you call me opininated? You probably will deny that too.

God help you if the basis of your argument is where Monaghan play their games. Yet you refuse to address the big elephant in the room.

You are yet another ostrich.


I hear that the new chant of the Kildare supporters is "Óchón agus óchón-ó!". That should get the team fired up.

Very good. For a nine year old.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on June 25, 2019, 06:53:46 AM
https://www.offtheball.com/football/quinn-not-simple-give-counties-money-874885

More denial. Putting the right people in place costs money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on June 25, 2019, 06:58:27 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/kevin-mcstay-dublin-funding-roscommon-412756

Quinn must've either selective hearing or didn't bother listening to McStay.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 25, 2019, 06:58:27 AM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/kevin-mcstay-dublin-funding-roscommon-412756

Quinn must've either selective hearing or didn't bother listening to McStay.

McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon. Surely that money would gave better invested at grassroots?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 25, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.

Sure thing. It's not like Kerry GAA ever has an outsider amongst their ranks. Oh God no.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.

Sure thing. It's not like Kerry GAA ever has an outsider amongst their ranks. Oh God no.

Homegrown talent all the way. Peter Keane or backroom of team  don't get a penny bar expenses.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 25, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.

Sure thing. It's not like Kerry GAA ever has an outsider amongst their ranks. Oh God no.

Homegrown talent all the way. Peter Keane or backroom of team  don't get a penny bar expenses.

You seem to know a good few Kildare imports butnone from Kerry?

I'll leave that one with you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.

Sure thing. It's not like Kerry GAA ever has an outsider amongst their ranks. Oh God no.

Homegrown talent all the way. Peter Keane or backroom of team  don't get a penny bar expenses.

You seem to know a good few Kildare imports butnone from Kerry?

I'll leave that one with you.

Kerry footballers don't have any outside manager/players... the hurlers had a couple lads from Tipp. Sure they was 16 kerry footballers on pitch when ye beat us in 98
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on June 25, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.

Sure thing. It's not like Kerry GAA ever has an outsider amongst their ranks. Oh God no.

Homegrown talent all the way. Peter Keane or backroom of team  don't get a penny bar expenses.

You seem to know a good few Kildare imports butnone from Kerry?

I'll leave that one with you.

Kerry footballers don't have any outside manager/players... the hurlers had a couple lads from Tipp. Sure they was 16 kerry footballers on pitch when best us in 98 😉😉

Ah now we're getting to the nub of your problem. 21 years years ago and it still hurts. And you know what? That goal was prefectly legit. Makes it worse doesn't it? The fact that ye've hammered us in recent years doesn't even make up the hurt. We didn't go on to win yhe AI but it was a pleasure to see the animals green that day.

Its good to talk though.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 02:28:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 25, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on June 25, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:49 AM
McStay was getting 150k a year managing Roscommon.

Rubbish

I'd actually love to know where people pull these figures from?

I think the figure tells you how seriously you should take kerryforsam19.

Well one or two more are throwing out the same regarding other managers. When asked to provide the evidence they go missing.

Empty vessels..................

Mick O'Dwyer had a apartment and car provided by kildare county board. I know that for a fact as he Micko good friends with my father in law. He was paid too.

Refer to my previous post.

They could have provided him with a better car so.

Sure he was doing for love of the game. Same with Brian Lacey, Karl Dwyer, John Divilly, Cathal Sheridan and the OConnor brothers(playing with moorefield) and Seanie Johnston.

Sure thing. It's not like Kerry GAA ever has an outsider amongst their ranks. Oh God no.

Homegrown talent all the way. Peter Keane or backroom of team  don't get a penny bar expenses.

You seem to know a good few Kildare imports butnone from Kerry?

I'll leave that one with you.

Kerry footballers don't have any outside manager/players... the hurlers had a couple lads from Tipp. Sure they was 16 kerry footballers on pitch when best us in 98 😉😉

Ah now we're getting to the nub of your problem. 21 years years ago and it still hurts. And you know what? That goal was prefectly legit. Makes it worse doesn't it? The fact that ye've hammered us in recent years doesn't even make up the hurt. We didn't go on to win yhe AI but it was a pleasure to see the animals green that day.

Its good to talk though.

Haha and no medals for winning that 🤣🤣🤣 big bottle job in final. Listen we wouldn't grumble about the referee. We just didn't show on the day. MF Russell and maurice Fitz weren't fully that day either. Karl was the best Kerry player on the field 😉
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Moving along and bringing the thread back to it's roots.

Not his biggest fan but Turlough O'Brien penned an interesting blog yesterday

https://rotharroutes.com/2019/06/25/dublin-funding-and-tiers/ (https://rotharroutes.com/2019/06/25/dublin-funding-and-tiers/)

QuoteDublin, Funding and Tiers...

Twitter is such an angry place. Between all the rage and the character restriction there isn't much room for reasoned comment.  Much easier to throw out barbs, attack others, create a twitter storm and stand back and snigger at the damage done to personal reputations There's been a lot of raw emotion expressed and criticism of the state of football and the dominance of the Dubs. Much of it is justified but it often misses the target.

Here are some of my thoughts for what they're worth.

This is not an anti Dublin rant. Some of my earliest heroes were the Dublin players of the 1970s. I remember searching Carlow Town as a kid for the Dublin outfit and not finding it, cycling 24 miles round trip to Athy to purchase a Dublin jersey, shorts and socks! It might surprise Dubliners to know they had many admirers outside the Pale – I knew of one Fighting Cocks man who travelled the length and breath of Ireland following Heffos Army!

The turn of the millennium was an ideal opportunity for the GAA to reflect on the needs of the Association in a rapidly changing Ireland. Former President Peter Quinn (our best ever President?) chaired the Strategic Review Committee that produced a really thought provoking analysis of the GAA and its place in Irish society and what the future needs might be.

The founders of the GAA, way back in 1884, were literally operating in a different era and if they were starting all over again in 2000 I am sure they would have thought long and hard about the decision making structures to guide the Association in achieving its aims.

If it's true that a camel is a horse designed by a committee then the GAA is surely the sporting equivalent of an organisation catering for such diverse interests as parishes, clubs, counties, provinces, hurling and football.

Of course a camel is a brilliantly efficient animal to survive in harsh deserts and likewise the GAA has thrived despite its many disparate parts and interests.

Change is never easy and, in a national institution like the GAA, it is almost impossible to achieve an agreed outcome to so many issues that bedevil the organisation.

When the Strategic Review was under way the Committee recognised the unique circumstances of the Association in the capital city. With a quarter of the population of this island living within the county boundaries, penetration by the GAA was very low. In fact there were large tracts of the capital where there was no clubs present at all. The GAA was losing the battle for hearts and minds.

The powers that be recognised the gravity of the problem and a number of proposals were made to address the issues.

Among them was a proposal to split the county in two and a recognition that a massive financial injection was needed to achieve the objectives of growing participation numbers, improving administration and coaching structures.

The Review Committee had put forward the document for acceptance in its entirety but that did not happen and surprisingly there was support at national and provincial level to provide the necessary funding to tackle the status of the GAA in the capital without the proposed division of the county.

The proposal to split the county was considered off the wall by many in the Association. Dublin County Board, to their credit, have invested the funding wisely and are harvesting the rewards in terms of their utter dominance at inter county level. Let me acknowledge too the incredible talent in this present day Dublin; a phenomenal bunch, grounded, focused, hard working, dedicated and talented. They have been incredible Champions and look certs to win the 5 in a row. No one can begrudge them if they do. They have set new standards that the chasing pack are finding hard to match.

In this era of fake news, it is disappointing and patronising to hear Dublin's success credited solely to volunteers as though all other counties are bereft of equally devoted members and players – and that the funding has no impact! If that claim is true it has been money poorly spent. But that Trumpism is patently false. It is disappointing that the public utterances of our top officials is a uniform denial of the impact.

Allied to the other advantages of population, of location, of infra structure, of Croke Park as home venue, of corporate sponsorship, Dublin has turned into a monster that is now out of control and it is surely time for another Strategic Review to recalibrate the financial advantage bestowed on Dublin by the other 31 counties.

If our counties were member states of the EU, Dublin would be Germany; should Dublin now be a net contributor to the overall Association budget!

Croke Park and Leinster Council are taking a lot of flak for this imbalance and some of it is deserved – it isn't right for the other counties to be underwriting the investment in Dublin at this stage. But it was farsighted at the time and it was the correct decision at that time. They deserve credit for that and add in the monies invested across the Association and we get a truer picture of the good work done by the powers that be. Leinster Council has been getting a hammering of late but I believe it is very harsh; the provincial councils are much closer to the grass roots and certainly provide far greater coach education and development. However no one cried halt.

What to do now though is the question.

Redistributing Dublin's annual financial injection among the other 31 counties would reduce the impact by the time it is distributed pro rata. I think it could be quickly gobbled up by county teams preparations,

We are probably getting a better return now for our investment because it is so concentrated!

Possibly the best outcome would now be to identify the 2/3 key issues affecting the GAA in selected counties for short term investment and moving on then after a period to another 2/3 priority areas in different counties.

Withdrawing the funding could jeopardise coaching positions across Dublin clubs, although with Dublins commercial clout it is very possible that they can replace the loss of the funding with alternate commercial sources.



I don't think we can throw any more money at the problem of inter county preparations – it has turned into an arms race and all teams are spending ridiculous amounts of money to chase success which seems as elusive as ever. Only one team can win the All Ireland in any year – and for the moment it really is only one team!

Part of the problem we face today is that there does not appear to be a strategy in play.

We seem to be reactionary.

Brendan Behan once said that the first item on any republican agenda was the split. I think the same could be said for any unit of the GAA! Like it or not we have created official splits in the GAA through the GPA and the CPA. There should never have been a need for these organisations to be formed but they were borne of necessity because the voice of the ordinary member has been lost in the democratic bureaucracy of the Association.



We have competing demands for more inter county games, a better club fixture programme, unnatural expectations of our players and team officials and ever increasing expenditure on county teams.

Why are we discussing a tiered championship in isolation – which will increase the number of inter county games while on the other hand discussing a fairer club fixture programme with the CPA? These are conflicting objectives. We have added in the Super 8s and the new hurling structures and now we decide we need to do something for our clubs.

What is the end goal?

What type of organisation do we want?

Are we fulfilling our aims and objectives or have they changed?

Are we for elitism or for mass participation – or is there a balance we can achieve to ensure the rude good health of the Association into the future?

Croke Park has decided to push the introduction of a tiered championship as if this was the solution to all our problems. Last Sunday should have sent a message back that there is only one team in Tier One and the rest can compete in Tier Two. It is not the answer and will do much damage to inter county football down the divisions. Football is much more balanced across the country than hurling and there is a vibrant club scene in all counties. We do not need a tiered championship.

Many desire to provide all teams with a realistic chance of winning and the opportunity to play a final in Croke Park.

As though winning was all that mattered. It isn't – surely its the will to win that matters? It's about getting the best out of yourself and competing at as high a level as possible, its about testing yourself against the best. There is only ever one winner – it doesn't mean everyone else is a failure.

And if we think a little deeper about that, how realistic is that claim about a chance to win silverware? The likelihood is that the Tier 2 or Tier 3 Championship will be dominated by the teams competing at the top end of Division 2/3. There is a real possibility that counties like my own will never play in a Tier 3 final or maybe do so once in a lifetime but will loose out on the great days that we had over the past few years. Is it worth that trade off? I don't think so.

Almost all Carlow players would not swap those brilliant days we experienced in recent years for a B competition played in front of empty terraces- and make no mistake the Final will not remain on All Ireland Final Day, as touted, once introduced. The focus of those in favour of this tiered structure is always on a packed Croke Park where these finals will be played as a curtain raiser. But no one mentions all the other games played before sparse attendances, shunned by supporters, barely covered by an over stretched media (they can't be everywhere!) and the 14 teams that don't make the Final!

For those advocating the Tiers, we already play these teams every year in the league – we don't need a duplicate competition, in a GAA version of Groundhog Day, that will not do anything to develop players or county teams. In fact it is likely that this competition will be loss making for the counties involved and require subsidisation – more funding required, more fund-raising by county squads (for those in Dublin, that's one of the additional demands country lads face, along with those long commutes!). The magic of the Championship is the one off nature of the fixtures, the opportunity to take out a big name.

Going back tot the analogy of the camel, GAA competition structures tend to be camel like too; our Championship consists of knock out, back door and league elements! We are always tinkering with strictures to accommodate the 'what ifs' – take the relegation arrangements around Leinster and Munster SHC games. We can't have it all! As my eldest son, temporarily domiciled in the Phillipines keeps telling me, KFS!

The GAA must decide if is is for elitism or not. If it is, it will inevitably concentrate on the top 4/6 teams and forget about the remainder because counties cannot sustain the level of expenditure.

Adding in Super 8s and Tiers is only adding to the costs. We cannot generate the income to compete over a longer season.

If we cannot generate the revenue we need to look at our cost base. And reduce it.

That will mean a more condensed inter county season and less games, not more – better timing of competitions can achieve the same outcome and address many of the issues.

Why should counties (or the GPA) have to travel to the US to raise funds for an amateur sport – robbing the local organisation of potential sponsorship? It's mad stuff.

The most important competition we have is the League. It's a brilliant competition played at the wrong time of year.

The current Championship structures favour the strong by giving them a second bite of the cherry should they be beaten. A return to a knockout championship will restore competitiveness and if it is run concurrently with the NFL we could reduce the playing season, reduce the cost of preparations, improve the chances of upsets in the Championships, attract much larger crowds to Friday night league games – played in good weather, improve the calendar for club activity and perhaps save the endangered species that is the dual player.......

It may not be perfect but surely deserving of consideration and possible tweaking....Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on June 26, 2019, 09:39:17 AM
There won't be a return to a knockout championship and nor should there be.

It would greatly reduce the potential for sponsorship, gate money and other revenue, and teams and players won't stand for it - it's a return to the "train for six months only to be out of the championship by May 19th" idea.

Turlough's suggestion that the league be played concurrently with a knockout championship is also a non-runner.

Hurling tried something like that in 1997 and after some good crowds at the early league games in March and April, ended up failing completely - there was no interest in the semi-finals and final, and Limerick promptly sacked Tom Ryan shortly after winning the final.




Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 26, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
Re Dublin, these are the two key paragraphs

QuoteIn this era of fake news, it is disappointing and patronising to hear Dublin's success credited solely to volunteers as though all other counties are bereft of equally devoted members and players – and that the funding has no impact! If that claim is true it has been money poorly spent. But that Trumpism is patently false. It is disappointing that the public utterances of our top officials is a uniform denial of the impact.

Allied to the other advantages of population, of location, of infra structure, of Croke Park as home venue, of corporate sponsorship, Dublin has turned into a monster that is now out of control and it is surely time for another Strategic Review to recalibrate the financial advantage bestowed on Dublin by the other 31 counties.

It's completely disingenuous to say that Dubs claim the success is "solely to volunteers". The point is that the games development funding (the big feckin red herring) is almost totally irrelevant to the success of the Dublin team. The GPOs haven't coached any of the Dubs! It is all volunteers. But that's not the only reason we're successful. It's his second paragraph that is key. Allied to the great volunteers (which every county has, we just have more due to population), we have all those other advantages he lists. That's where the focus should be.

As for Tier 2 competitions, we definitely need to hear more from the counties affected.
Interesting about a summer league, but concurrently wouldn't work, it would certainly make Division 1 in the league a complete non-event.
There might be an argument for having the Tier 2 championship in the Spring and then Divisions 3 and 4 in the Summer, with plenty of Friday night games as he suggested. Although a lot more thought would be required!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 26, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
Re Dublin, these are the two key paragraphs

QuoteIn this era of fake news, it is disappointing and patronising to hear Dublin’s success credited solely to volunteers as though all other counties are bereft of equally devoted members and players – and that the funding has no impact! If that claim is true it has been money poorly spent. But that Trumpism is patently false. It is disappointing that the public utterances of our top officials is a uniform denial of the impact.

Allied to the other advantages of population, of location, of infra structure, of Croke Park as home venue, of corporate sponsorship, Dublin has turned into a monster that is now out of control and it is surely time for another Strategic Review to recalibrate the financial advantage bestowed on Dublin by the other 31 counties.

It's completely disingenuous to say that Dubs claim the success is "solely to volunteers". The point is that the games development funding (the big feckin red herring) is almost totally irrelevant to the success of the Dublin team. The GPOs haven't coached any of the Dubs! It is all volunteers. But that's not the only reason we're successful. It's his second paragraph that is key. Allied to the great volunteers (which every county has, we just have more due to population), we have all those other advantages he lists. That's where the focus should be.

As for Tier 2 competitions, we definitely need to hear more from the counties affected.
Interesting about a summer league, but concurrently wouldn't work, it would certainly make Division 1 in the league a complete non-event.
There might be an argument for having the Tier 2 championship in the Spring and then Divisions 3 and 4 in the Summer, with plenty of Friday night games as he suggested. Although a lot more thought would be required!

I think this is were arguments are getting confused/ diluted
Lets say you are correct, and the funding has zero effect on the success of the current Dublin team.
What we then have is a team that is light years ahead of everyone else at present due to a generational group of players, advantages in population, location and playing the majority of games at home, yet we are still pumping a disproportionate amount of money into this team and their structures.

What is that setting us up for in the years to come when this money and the benefit of the GPOs finally kicks in?
Its a runaway train.
Every Dub support seems to take any complaint against this as a slight on the current Dublin team, and in most certainly should not be, but if we continue to do what we are doing, future successes will certainly be tainted with the inherent unfairness.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 10:37:41 AM
Still think there will be a rugby type scenario that county players don't play with their clubs in the summer, league and championship. Obviously I hope that doesn't happen, but it's heading that way.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:40:29 AM
I suspect it's there in fact in most Counties already.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 26, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
Re Dublin, these are the two key paragraphs

QuoteIn this era of fake news, it is disappointing and patronising to hear Dublin's success credited solely to volunteers as though all other counties are bereft of equally devoted members and players – and that the funding has no impact! If that claim is true it has been money poorly spent. But that Trumpism is patently false. It is disappointing that the public utterances of our top officials is a uniform denial of the impact.

Allied to the other advantages of population, of location, of infra structure, of Croke Park as home venue, of corporate sponsorship, Dublin has turned into a monster that is now out of control and it is surely time for another Strategic Review to recalibrate the financial advantage bestowed on Dublin by the other 31 counties.

It's completely disingenuous to say that Dubs claim the success is "solely to volunteers". The point is that the games development funding (the big feckin red herring) is almost totally irrelevant to the success of the Dublin team. The GPOs haven't coached any of the Dubs! It is all volunteers. But that's not the only reason we're successful. It's his second paragraph that is key. Allied to the great volunteers (which every county has, we just have more due to population), we have all those other advantages he lists. That's where the focus should be.

As for Tier 2 competitions, we definitely need to hear more from the counties affected.
Interesting about a summer league, but concurrently wouldn't work, it would certainly make Division 1 in the league a complete non-event.
There might be an argument for having the Tier 2 championship in the Spring and then Divisions 3 and 4 in the Summer, with plenty of Friday night games as he suggested. Although a lot more thought would be required!

I think this is were arguments are getting confused/ diluted
Lets say you are correct, and the funding has zero effect on the success of the current Dublin team.
What we then have is a team that is light years ahead of everyone else at present due to a generational group of players, advantages in population, location and playing the majority of games at home, yet we are still pumping a disproportionate amount of money into this team and their structures.

What is that setting us up for in the years to come when this money and the benefit of the GPOs finally kicks in?
Its a runaway train.
Every Dub support seems to take any complaint against this as a slight on the current Dublin team, and in most certainly should not be, but if we continue to do what we are doing, future successes will certainly be tainted with the inherent unfairness.
"We" are not pumping money into the senior Dublin team. That's AIG and Dublin county board funds.

Otherwise, yep, the development funds are widening the base. Two-fold benefit. They get the unfit, uninterested kids to give GAA a go. They get kids who might only be interested soccer/rugby to give GAA a go. There is the argument I take that if you have more kids playing, and you're increasing the levels of the worst of them, then the best lads will get even better, even if the GPO has no direct contact with them. And without doubt, more kids playing (even at lower levels) means more members and more subscriptions and more money in clubs to help improve facilities.

So do you stop the Dublin funding now, to allow soccer and rugby make bigger inroads into young kids in Dublin? Reduce the focus on increasing participation in Dublin?

If someone could only come up with a plan to move more jobs around the country, so we could get a more even spread of population. Reading today that Dublin wasn't even the most populous county in the country when the county system was introduced! 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: magpie seanie on June 26, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
Good article Dinny, thanks for sharing. I wouldn't argue with much of it at all. Some excellent points made. I think moving the league to the late spring/early summer is a common sense idea and at last it seems to be gaining traction. The expenditure involved in county teams is unsustainable and unjustified in my opinion. We do need to decide what type of organisation we need - is it elitism or broad participation. We have drifted very much towards the eleite in recent times, I think that needs to be arrested. I'm hopeful that the powers that be seem to have copped on to this....lets hope so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on June 26, 2019, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 26, 2019, 10:25:17 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
Re Dublin, these are the two key paragraphs

QuoteIn this era of fake news, it is disappointing and patronising to hear Dublin's success credited solely to volunteers as though all other counties are bereft of equally devoted members and players – and that the funding has no impact! If that claim is true it has been money poorly spent. But that Trumpism is patently false. It is disappointing that the public utterances of our top officials is a uniform denial of the impact.

Allied to the other advantages of population, of location, of infra structure, of Croke Park as home venue, of corporate sponsorship, Dublin has turned into a monster that is now out of control and it is surely time for another Strategic Review to recalibrate the financial advantage bestowed on Dublin by the other 31 counties.

It's completely disingenuous to say that Dubs claim the success is "solely to volunteers". The point is that the games development funding (the big feckin red herring) is almost totally irrelevant to the success of the Dublin team. The GPOs haven't coached any of the Dubs! It is all volunteers. But that's not the only reason we're successful. It's his second paragraph that is key. Allied to the great volunteers (which every county has, we just have more due to population), we have all those other advantages he lists. That's where the focus should be.

As for Tier 2 competitions, we definitely need to hear more from the counties affected.
Interesting about a summer league, but concurrently wouldn't work, it would certainly make Division 1 in the league a complete non-event.
There might be an argument for having the Tier 2 championship in the Spring and then Divisions 3 and 4 in the Summer, with plenty of Friday night games as he suggested. Although a lot more thought would be required!

I think this is were arguments are getting confused/ diluted
Lets say you are correct, and the funding has zero effect on the success of the current Dublin team.
What we then have is a team that is light years ahead of everyone else at present due to a generational group of players, advantages in population, location and playing the majority of games at home, yet we are still pumping a disproportionate amount of money into this team and their structures.

What is that setting us up for in the years to come when this money and the benefit of the GPOs finally kicks in?
Its a runaway train.
Every Dub support seems to take any complaint against this as a slight on the current Dublin team, and in most certainly should not be, but if we continue to do what we are doing, future successes will certainly be tainted with the inherent unfairness.
"We" are not pumping money into the senior Dublin team. That's AIG and Dublin county board funds.

Otherwise, yep, the development funds are widening the base. Two-fold benefit. They get the unfit, uninterested kids to give GAA a go. They get kids who might only be interested soccer/rugby to give GAA a go. There is the argument I take that if you have more kids playing, and you're increasing the levels of the worst of them, then the best lads will get even better, even if the GPO has no direct contact with them. And without doubt, more kids playing (even at lower levels) means more members and more subscriptions and more money in clubs to help improve facilities.

So do you stop the Dublin funding now, to allow soccer and rugby make bigger inroads into young kids in Dublin? Reduce the focus on increasing participation in Dublin?

If someone could only come up with a plan to move more jobs around the country, so we could get a more even spread of population. Reading today that Dublin wasn't even the most populous county in the country when the county system was introduced!

Given that the spread of jobs and population is not going to happen, why not try the split, even for a few years?

As blewuporstuffed says, what happens when the effects of the funding DOES kick in?

The likelihood is that Dublin will continue to win most, if not all, All Irelands for the next five years, at minimum. When does it become a problem?

At least with Kerry and Kilkenny and their periods of dominance, those extreme population and logistical advantages that Dublin have were not a factor. There was always going to be a period where they dropped back into the pack.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2019, 05:35:28 PM

Given that the spread of jobs and population is not going to happen, why not try the split, even for a few years?

As blewuporstuffed says, what happens when the effects of the funding DOES kick in?

The likelihood is that Dublin will continue to win most, if not all, All Irelands for the next five years, at minimum. When does it become a problem?

At least with Kerry and Kilkenny and their periods of dominance, those extreme population and logistical advantages that Dublin have were not a factor. There was always going to be a period where they dropped back into the pack.

Yep, nobody wants a routine All Irelands where 30 counties think they've no chance.

I wrote a post earlier this week, saying that I'd have no problem if the split of Dublin was looked into. So long as at the sametime, there was also looked into the alternative of the merger of counties, so we'd have maybe 12 counties or merged counties in the championship. And people could analyze the two proposals and vote accordingly.

The benefit of the latter being that every player in every county would have a realistic ambition of playing in an All Ireland final. The splitting of Dublin wouldn't do anything to the 15-20 counties that would still have absolutely no chance of All Ireland success, even in their children's lifetime. And I'd say it's closer to 25.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on June 27, 2019, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2019, 05:35:28 PM

Given that the spread of jobs and population is not going to happen, why not try the split, even for a few years?

As blewuporstuffed says, what happens when the effects of the funding DOES kick in?

The likelihood is that Dublin will continue to win most, if not all, All Irelands for the next five years, at minimum. When does it become a problem?

At least with Kerry and Kilkenny and their periods of dominance, those extreme population and logistical advantages that Dublin have were not a factor. There was always going to be a period where they dropped back into the pack.

Yep, nobody wants a routine All Irelands where 30 counties think they've no chance.

I wrote a post earlier this week, saying that I'd have no problem if the split of Dublin was looked into. So long as at the sametime, there was also looked into the alternative of the merger of counties, so we'd have maybe 12 counties or merged counties in the championship. And people could analyze the two proposals and vote accordingly.

The benefit of the latter being that every player in every county would have a realistic ambition of playing in an All Ireland final. The splitting of Dublin wouldn't do anything to the 15-20 counties that would still have absolutely no chance of All Ireland success, even in their children's lifetime. And I'd say it's closer to 25.

1. Traitor, 2. 100% correct, splitting Dublin will only benefit the big counties/Elite team, swap Dublin dominance for Kerry Dominance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2019, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2019, 05:35:28 PM

Given that the spread of jobs and population is not going to happen, why not try the split, even for a few years?

As blewuporstuffed says, what happens when the effects of the funding DOES kick in?

The likelihood is that Dublin will continue to win most, if not all, All Irelands for the next five years, at minimum. When does it become a problem?

At least with Kerry and Kilkenny and their periods of dominance, those extreme population and logistical advantages that Dublin have were not a factor. There was always going to be a period where they dropped back into the pack.

Yep, nobody wants a routine All Irelands where 30 counties think they've no chance.

I wrote a post earlier this week, saying that I'd have no problem if the split of Dublin was looked into. So long as at the sametime, there was also looked into the alternative of the merger of counties, so we'd have maybe 12 counties or merged counties in the championship. And people could analyze the two proposals and vote accordingly.

The benefit of the latter being that every player in every county would have a realistic ambition of playing in an All Ireland final. The splitting of Dublin wouldn't do anything to the 15-20 counties that would still have absolutely no chance of All Ireland success, even in their children's lifetime. And I'd say it's closer to 25.

I think we've come to the point in your first paragraph this year. Does that mean you don't want this all Ireland?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on June 27, 2019, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2019, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2019, 05:35:28 PM

Given that the spread of jobs and population is not going to happen, why not try the split, even for a few years?

As blewuporstuffed says, what happens when the effects of the funding DOES kick in?

The likelihood is that Dublin will continue to win most, if not all, All Irelands for the next five years, at minimum. When does it become a problem?

At least with Kerry and Kilkenny and their periods of dominance, those extreme population and logistical advantages that Dublin have were not a factor. There was always going to be a period where they dropped back into the pack.

Yep, nobody wants a routine All Irelands where 30 counties think they've no chance.

I wrote a post earlier this week, saying that I'd have no problem if the split of Dublin was looked into. So long as at the sametime, there was also looked into the alternative of the merger of counties, so we'd have maybe 12 counties or merged counties in the championship. And people could analyze the two proposals and vote accordingly.

The benefit of the latter being that every player in every county would have a realistic ambition of playing in an All Ireland final. The splitting of Dublin wouldn't do anything to the 15-20 counties that would still have absolutely no chance of All Ireland success, even in their children's lifetime. And I'd say it's closer to 25.

I think we've come to the point in your first paragraph this year. Does that mean you don't want this all Ireland?
Ah, there's still at least one team in each of the other provinces who'll have a go if/when they face us
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on June 29, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
But what about the money.......

https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-finances-argument-413086?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 29, 2019, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 29, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
But what about the money.......

https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-finances-argument-413086?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web&__twitter_impression=true

Embarrassing fan boy piece.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on June 29, 2019, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:40:18 PM

Yep, nobody wants a routine All Irelands where 30 counties think they've no chance.

I wrote a post earlier this week, saying that I'd have no problem if the split of Dublin was looked into. So long as at the sametime, there was also looked into the alternative of the merger of counties, so we'd have maybe 12 counties or merged counties in the championship. And people could analyze the two proposals and vote accordingly.

The benefit of the latter being that every player in every county would have a realistic ambition of playing in an All Ireland final. The splitting of Dublin wouldn't do anything to the 15-20 counties that would still have absolutely no chance of All Ireland success, even in their children's lifetime. And I'd say it's closer to 25.

Merger is another issue. Perhaps a situation like the Kerry county championship is needed, with some amalgamations. The unamalgamated counties would also play in the league etc. But just as other counties rarely copy this model for their clubs, counties will not merge.
The point is, and I've said this before, if two counties refuse to merge they are mainly hurting the prospects of their own players, not anyone else.
Were Dublin split, it would then come into useful competition with a dozen teams, even if you feel another cohort of teams are below that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 29, 2019, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 29, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
But what about the money.......

https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-finances-argument-413086?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web&__twitter_impression=true

Just goes to show, it's more about the money that's given/granted/doped in order for the team to get there, and not the actual money spent on that team to field year on year.

Talking about shooting oneself in one's foot... I give you this piece of self-serving straw-man delusional dross, seriously.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hawkeye9212 on June 29, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 29, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
But what about the money.......

https://www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-finances-argument-413086?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web&__twitter_impression=true

The money helps though. He mentioned counties which have wealthy sponsors. Kerry has the Kerry Group. Cork has Chill Insurance. Kilkenny has Glanbia.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
poor snowflake.

You would swear the Dubs broke up an equal field where Longford, Sligo and Antrim were pushing for national titles. 25 counties have always been rubbish at any given time. Its an odd coincidence that the rest of Leinster independently went through a phase of being cat at the same time Dublin pushed on. Not our fault.

The idea that there has been suppression of talk about Dublins funding is laughable.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 29, 2019, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:40:18 PM

Yep, nobody wants a routine All Irelands where 30 counties think they've no chance.

I wrote a post earlier this week, saying that I'd have no problem if the split of Dublin was looked into. So long as at the sametime, there was also looked into the alternative of the merger of counties, so we'd have maybe 12 counties or merged counties in the championship. And people could analyze the two proposals and vote accordingly.

The benefit of the latter being that every player in every county would have a realistic ambition of playing in an All Ireland final. The splitting of Dublin wouldn't do anything to the 15-20 counties that would still have absolutely no chance of All Ireland success, even in their children's lifetime. And I'd say it's closer to 25.

Merger is another issue. Perhaps a situation like the Kerry county championship is needed, with some amalgamations. The unamalgamated counties would also play in the league etc. But just as other counties rarely copy this model for their clubs, counties will not merge.
The point is, and I've said this before, if two counties refuse to merge they are mainly hurting the prospects of their own players, not anyone else.
Were Dublin split, it would then come into useful competition with a dozen teams, even if you feel another cohort of teams are below that.

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.

It's either that or you hold onto what you have at the moment. Dublin beating everyone in second gear and the fans will stop going and it will kill inter-county football in the capital. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Dublin win their 8th in a row Ladies Leinster Title.

Amazing that two golden generations of different genders from the same county are in existence at the same time.

What are the odds?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on July 01, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Dublin win their 8th in a row Ladies Leinster Title.

Amazing that two golden generations of different genders from the same county are in existence at the same time.

What are the odds?

Longford women need to pull their socks up
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Billys Boots on July 01, 2019, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 01, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Dublin win their 8th in a row Ladies Leinster Title.

Amazing that two golden generations of different genders from the same county are in existence at the same time.

What are the odds?

Longford women need to pull their socks up

They will need to be able to afford socks first. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 01, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Dublin win their 8th in a row Ladies Leinster Title.

Amazing that two golden generations of different genders from the same county are in existence at the same time.

What are the odds?

Longford women need to pull their socks up

They're too busy going on Love Island.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.

It's either that or you hold onto what you have at the moment. Dublin beating everyone in second gear and the fans will stop going and it will kill inter-county football in the capital. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!
Well that is sport. Some teams dominate, especially in representative sport. Nothing unique here. No call to break Kerty up in the day or Celtic into 4.

People should be more interested in raising standards in their parish than handicapping Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Pull up ye're socks Annaduff and Geevagh and the rest of ye!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on July 01, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.

And divisive.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 01, 2019, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.

It's either that or you hold onto what you have at the moment. Dublin beating everyone in second gear and the fans will stop going and it will kill inter-county football in the capital. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!
Well that is sport. Some teams dominate, especially in representative sport. Nothing unique here. No call to break Kerty up in the day or Celtic into 4.

People should be more interested in raising standards in their parish than handicapping Dublin

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
poor snowflake.

You would swear the Dubs broke up an equal field where Longford, Sligo and Antrim were pushing for national titles. 25 counties have always been rubbish at any given time. Its an odd coincidence that the rest of Leinster independently went through a phase of being cat at the same time Dublin pushed on. Not our fault.

The idea that there has been suppression of talk about Dublins funding is laughable.

The 55 titles include hurling and underage. You're clueless. Which one are you going to follow? Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin or Dublin city centre?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
poor snowflake.

You would swear the Dubs broke up an equal field where Longford, Sligo and Antrim were pushing for national titles. 25 counties have always been rubbish at any given time. Its an odd coincidence that the rest of Leinster independently went through a phase of being cat at the same time Dublin pushed on. Not our fault.

The idea that there has been suppression of talk about Dublins funding is laughable.

The 55 titles include hurling and underage. You're clueless. Which one are you going to follow? Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin or Dublin city centre?
That aimed at me?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 01, 2019, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.

It's either that or you hold onto what you have at the moment. Dublin beating everyone in second gear and the fans will stop going and it will kill inter-county football in the capital. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!
Well that is sport. Some teams dominate, especially in representative sport. Nothing unique here. No call to break Kerty up in the day or Celtic into 4.

People should be more interested in raising standards in their parish than handicapping Dublin

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Plenty of brioche to be had if a coherent request for brioche goes to the baker. In fact, some counties have loads of brioche. What are they doing with it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on July 01, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
poor snowflake.

You would swear the Dubs broke up an equal field where Longford, Sligo and Antrim were pushing for national titles. 25 counties have always been rubbish at any given time. Its an odd coincidence that the rest of Leinster independently went through a phase of being cat at the same time Dublin pushed on. Not our fault.

The idea that there has been suppression of talk about Dublins funding is laughable.

The 55 titles include hurling and underage. You're clueless. Which one are you going to follow? Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin or Dublin city centre?

We (Dublin) only measure success on winning All Irelands, not provincials.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 01, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.
Pauric is an extra GDO that Kilmacud decided to get in, in addition to the standard one. He is 100% funded by Kilmacud's members and completely irrelevant to Games Development Funding.

Every club in the country can hire a GDO, if they have the members willing to fund it. Not many cubs as big as Kilmacud though. And they attract big sponsorships as well.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 01, 2019, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.

It's either that or you hold onto what you have at the moment. Dublin beating everyone in second gear and the fans will stop going and it will kill inter-county football in the capital. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!
Well that is sport. Some teams dominate, especially in representative sport. Nothing unique here. No call to break Kerty up in the day or Celtic into 4.

People should be more interested in raising standards in their parish than handicapping Dublin

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Plenty of brioche to be had if a coherent request for brioche goes to the baker. In fact, some counties have loads of brioche. What are they doing with it?

Why were Fermanagh turned down?

Quote from: Hound on July 01, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.
Pauric is an extra GDO that Kilmacud decided to get in, in addition to the standard one. He is 100% funded by Kilmacud's members and completely irrelevant to Games Development Funding.

Every club in the country can hire a GDO, if they have the members willing to fund it. Not many cubs as big as Kilmacud though. And they attract big sponsorships as well.

How much is an extra GDO?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 01, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 01, 2019, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:34:05 PM

Do you really think the Dublin crowd of today will neatly break into 4 crowds and follow the new franchises? Will they fock, it will kill football in the capital.

It's either that or you hold onto what you have at the moment. Dublin beating everyone in second gear and the fans will stop going and it will kill inter-county football in the capital. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!
Well that is sport. Some teams dominate, especially in representative sport. Nothing unique here. No call to break Kerty up in the day or Celtic into 4.

People should be more interested in raising standards in their parish than handicapping Dublin

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Plenty of brioche to be had if a coherent request for brioche goes to the baker. In fact, some counties have loads of brioche. What are they doing with it?

Why were Fermanagh turned down?

Quote from: Hound on July 01, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.
Pauric is an extra GDO that Kilmacud decided to get in, in addition to the standard one. He is 100% funded by Kilmacud's members and completely irrelevant to Games Development Funding.

Every club in the country can hire a GDO, if they have the members willing to fund it. Not many cubs as big as Kilmacud though. And they attract big sponsorships as well.

How much is an extra GDO?
Whatever you agree to pay him!

The standard one's set salary is high 20s. 50% funded by the club.

I'd be surprised if PM wasn't getting more, but I've literally no idea.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 01, 2019, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
poor snowflake.

You would swear the Dubs broke up an equal field where Longford, Sligo and Antrim were pushing for national titles. 25 counties have always been rubbish at any given time. Its an odd coincidence that the rest of Leinster independently went through a phase of being cat at the same time Dublin pushed on. Not our fault.

The idea that there has been suppression of talk about Dublins funding is laughable.

The 55 titles include hurling and underage. You're clueless. Which one are you going to follow? Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin or Dublin city centre?
That aimed at me?

Go back to school and learn how to read.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 01, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 30, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on June 29, 2019, 03:49:23 PM
The games up. This is now all over the media and on the terraces. For years it was silenced but now it's common knowledge. Dublin have doped their way to a huge number of titles since 2005. The counts up to 55 titles I believe. There's an asterisk beside every single one of these titles. Everyone knows it, even the Dubs. It really was a dark period in the history of the GAA. It's coming to an end though. The split is very near.
poor snowflake.

You would swear the Dubs broke up an equal field where Longford, Sligo and Antrim were pushing for national titles. 25 counties have always been rubbish at any given time. Its an odd coincidence that the rest of Leinster independently went through a phase of being cat at the same time Dublin pushed on. Not our fault.

The idea that there has been suppression of talk about Dublins funding is laughable.

The 55 titles include hurling and underage. You're clueless. Which one are you going to follow? Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin or Dublin city centre?

We (Dublin) only measure success on winning All Irelands, not provincials.

Not pre-doping, you barely won any All Ireland's then. Warning, graph on the way!!! Incoming.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
Does anyone know where I can get data on the Leinster ladies senior football roll of honour? I've done a graph but I've had to omit data on this and only included national league and All Ireland data. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 01, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.
Pauric is an extra GDO that Kilmacud decided to get in, in addition to the standard one. He is 100% funded by Kilmacud's members and completely irrelevant to Games Development Funding.

Every club in the country can hire a GDO, if they have the members willing to fund it. Not many cubs as big as Kilmacud though. And they attract big sponsorships as well.

Why do you continue to talk shite? Pretending the GDO funding is some completely separate thing. Without the funding from us, wouldn't Kilmacud have less money to splash out on extras? Same with every other club in Dublin.
I have a graph on the way to show the difference the GDO money PLUS the extra income gathered off the back of that has done for Dublin GAA. The GDO's are a vital cog in the system, they get in at the base level. Teach the basics, get players into clubs, give coaching lessons to parents, identify elite talent, direct them the development squad process overseen by the highly paid officers. It's a multi million euro system. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Here's the promised graph:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
Or what do you think of this one?



(http://i68.tinypic.com/29dv1b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 01, 2019, 07:32:09 PM
Ah, look at that! Them Dublin Voluntary Coaches really stepped up to the mark the last 15 years. Time for the rest of us to step up to the mark and try harder!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 02, 2019, 08:19:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 01, 2019, 07:32:09 PM
Ah, look at that! Them Dublin Voluntary Coaches really stepped up to the mark the last 15 years. Time for the rest of us to step up to the mark and try harder!

You need a hobby FTB 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on July 02, 2019, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Here's the promised graph:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)

Fantastic graph, i have to say well done, you must have a doctorate in graphic design or something.

Quick question, if the development funding started in 2005 and the beneficiaries of that funding were mainly 5-12 years olds in schools, would in not be more beneficiall to start record it from 2011? unfair on Pillars team of the noughties.

I also believe this guy and Kerry for sam are the same individuals, and the same as a person knocking around these forums a while back, name escapes me.

Can you include in the graph the 70s and 80s also? and the ealry 90s, couple of barron years there for sure, but every great football team as barron periods, included the Kerry team of the 90s.

Although i know your a WUM, but your understanding of sport and sporting history is quite poor?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 02, 2019, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 02, 2019, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Here's the promised graph:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)

Fantastic graph, i have to say well done, you must have a doctorate in graphic design or something.

Quick question, if the development funding started in 2005 and the beneficiaries of that funding were mainly 5-12 years olds in schools, would in not be more beneficiall to start record it from 2011? unfair on Pillars team of the noughties.

I also believe this guy and Kerry for sam are the same individuals, and the same as a person knocking around these forums a while back, name escapes me.

Can you include in the graph the 70s and 80s also? and the ealry 90s, couple of barron years there for sure, but every great football team as barron periods, included the Kerry team of the 90s.

Although i know your a WUM, but your understanding of sport and sporting history is quite poor?

As the great Jonathan Glynn once said " that's f**king bulls**t"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 02, 2019, 10:09:44 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 01, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
I see Kilmacud Crokes won Feile u14 Division 1. Another golden generation although funny enough the senior football coach in Kilmacud Shane Smith, who as an aside has a masters in Sports Science signals out their GDO Pauric McDonald on twitter for his great coaching foundations.

But according to Hound these guys just go to schools, I am confused and probably just mean spirited.
Pauric is an extra GDO that Kilmacud decided to get in, in addition to the standard one. He is 100% funded by Kilmacud's members and completely irrelevant to Games Development Funding.

Every club in the country can hire a GDO, if they have the members willing to fund it. Not many cubs as big as Kilmacud though. And they attract big sponsorships as well.

But he's not is he? If they can afford to pay one on their own why are we paying for half on another on? That makes no sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 02, 2019, 11:24:35 AM
Must be plenty money in crokes

https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/coaching

In fairness kildare clubs should have no excuse as have plenty money.  A ex Kerry footballer was telling me Luke Dempsey was getting 300 a training session with Leixlip during the height of celtic tiger before leaving for Carlow job. Jack O'Connor was getting €400  a couple sessions with moorefield when in Leinster final couple years ago. Surely them clubs would have better advised to invest in grassroots.  I heard Leixlip now struggling at intermediate level
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 02, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 02, 2019, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Here's the promised graph:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)

Fantastic graph, i have to say well done, you must have a doctorate in graphic design or something.

Quick question, if the development funding started in 2005 and the beneficiaries of that funding were mainly 5-12 years olds in schools, would in not be more beneficiall to start record it from 2011? unfair on Pillars team of the noughties.

I also believe this guy and Kerry for sam are the same individuals, and the same as a person knocking around these forums a while back, name escapes me.

Can you include in the graph the 70s and 80s also? and the ealry 90s, couple of barron years there for sure, but every great football team as barron periods, included the Kerry team of the 90s.

Although i know your a WUM, but your understanding of sport and sporting history is quite poor?

I've f**king destroyed you in arguments about this before and you'll be leaving with your tail between your legs again!

It's the lie that the Dubs are clutching onto, they've tried so many but they think their best hope to muddy the waters is with the 'won't anybody think of the childers'! The GDO's go into schools, they work with kids and encourage them to go to the local club. They teach the basics to the kids but that is not the end of it! They coach in clubs as well, in fact, that's their main area. They also coach parents and anyone interested in taking teams. Coaching the coaches in other words. Talent spotting is another key role for the GDO's. They report to officers in charge of the elite development squads. This is what has been happening since the funding began. Players on these elite development squads are given professional level coaching and preparation, the ultimate target is to develop top level athletes at senior level. If you look at the 2011 Dublin team, you will find many of them, especially in the backline.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 02, 2019, 06:44:03 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 02, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 02, 2019, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 01, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Here's the promised graph:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)

Fantastic graph, i have to say well done, you must have a doctorate in graphic design or something.

Quick question, if the development funding started in 2005 and the beneficiaries of that funding were mainly 5-12 years olds in schools, would in not be more beneficiall to start record it from 2011? unfair on Pillars team of the noughties.

I also believe this guy and Kerry for sam are the same individuals, and the same as a person knocking around these forums a while back, name escapes me.

Can you include in the graph the 70s and 80s also? and the ealry 90s, couple of barron years there for sure, but every great football team as barron periods, included the Kerry team of the 90s.

Although i know your a WUM, but your understanding of sport and sporting history is quite poor?

I've f**king destroyed you in arguments about this before and you'll be leaving with your tail between your legs again!

It's the lie that the Dubs are clutching onto, they've tried so many but they think their best hope to muddy the waters is with the 'won't anybody think of the childers'! The GDO's go into schools, they work with kids and encourage them to go to the local club. They teach the basics to the kids but that is not the end of it! They coach in clubs as well, in fact, that's their main area. They also coach parents and anyone interested in taking teams. Coaching the coaches in other words. Talent spotting is another key role for the GDO's. They report to officers in charge of the elite development squads. This is what has been happening since the funding began. Players on these elite development squads are given professional level coaching and preparation, the ultimate target is to develop top level athletes at senior level. If you look at the 2011 Dublin team, you will find many of them, especially in the backline.

Well said PR
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 11:32:14 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/horan-downplays-funding-s-role-in-dublin-footballers-success-1.3944630

The funding that goes into Dublin is to maintain the participation levels, which is key.

"To sound boring myself about this, there are other factors that play into Dublin's success. One is a very competitive and successful games programme which is driven, in fairness, by the capacity abilities that they have in the county."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on July 03, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.

Don't forget the f**king u20 All Ireland.

Also don't forget to attend your anger management classes this week.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.

Don't forget the f**king u20 All Ireland.

Also don't forget to attend your anger management classes this week.

Is that it? With a population of well over 200,000, you're a f**king joke county. Go clean up some horse shite.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.

Don't forget the f**king u20 All Ireland.

Also don't forget to attend your anger management classes this week.

Is that it? With a population of well over 200,000, you're a f**king joke county. Go clean up some horse shite.

You are a terrible WUM and any valid points you have on Dublin are diminished and diluted by your multiple-poster nonsensical posts. This forum has matured way beyond such embarrassing rubbish.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 03, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

+1 well said
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 03, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.

Don't forget the f**king u20 All Ireland.

Also don't forget to attend your anger management classes this week.

Is that it? With a population of well over 200,000, you're a f**king joke county. Go clean up some horse shite.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 03, 2019, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.

Don't forget the f**king u20 All Ireland.

Also don't forget to attend your anger management classes this week.

Is that it? With a population of well over 200,000, you're a f**king joke county. Go clean up some horse shite.

You are a terrible WUM and any valid points you have on Dublin are diminished and diluted by your multiple-poster nonsensical posts. This forum has matured way beyond such embarrassing rubbish.

+1
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on July 03, 2019, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: mup on July 03, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 03, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

PR/K4S sometimes less is more.

Kildare have barely won anything this century bar the f**king O'Byrne Cup, less is certainly not more.

Don't forget the f**king u20 All Ireland.

Also don't forget to attend your anger management classes this week.

Is that it? With a population of well over 200,000, you're a f**king joke county. Go clean up some horse shite.

Brazil has a population of over 200 millions and they've never won an All Ireland.

You are going to have to clean up your act before your confirmation me bucko. The Bishop doesn't take too kindly to such expletives.

Might I suggest you take Victor as your confirmation name?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 03, 2019, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 11:32:14 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/horan-downplays-funding-s-role-in-dublin-footballers-success-1.3944630

The funding that goes into Dublin is to maintain the participation levels, which is key.

"To sound boring myself about this, there are other factors that play into Dublin's success. One is a very competitive and successful games programme which is driven, in fairness, by the capacity abilities that they have in the county."

F**k up Horan and quit taking sh|te.

Since when did a club need a professional coach to maintain participation rates?

Oh, I know... only if there was no volunteer already coaching - so no professional coach = no coach at all. But you dare not say that do you ye two faced....


Ironically - I wouldn't have a problem with Dublin getting the bulk of money if it were spent on buying land in the city (in the city does not mean the airport) for new pitches.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 03, 2019, 01:21:28 PM
imho Horan is thundering disgrace in view of his latest comments :(

What support has he given St Kevins hurling club when 153 apartments are being built on their pitch ? In one of the most disadvanted areas of the country :( S

However i think this debate shouldn't be tied to the fortunes of the Dublin senior team.

Participation rates are important, but why aren't all urban clubs with large number allowed to apply for 50% funding for a games development officer ? 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 03, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

Ill just leave that there...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 05:06:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 03, 2019, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 03, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 02, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
I caught you out before you prize fn arsehole. You are one and the same poster. Multiple usernames discussing Dublin GAA with each other on a shithole GAA forum. Is this what you do for kicks you sad fkr.

That other poster is most likely from Dublin.

It's in no way surprising to see a Dub fire out abuse in the face of undisputed facts. Lashing out in anger is all you have left. You know you have been doped to the gills but you can't accept it. Well, guess what? You're going to have to. Your county board accepted the money, they chose to buy success instead of competing fairly. By right, Dublin should be stripped of all titles won during their doping years, what's going to happen is that you'll be split into 4 and we'll all try to move on and learn from this dark period. Like cycling has attempted post Armstrong, like athletics post Ben Johnson.

Ill just leave that there...

I'll just leave this here:



(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 01:03:06 PM
Horan seems to think he's Dublin Chairman and not National President.
I see some kad called Tommy Lyons who once was famous has joined the fray attacking those who question the funding of the Dublin GAA haves by the other 31 have nots.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on July 04, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 04, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 04, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.

Great idea!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 04, 2019, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 04, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 04, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.

Great idea!

+1
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on July 05, 2019, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 04, 2019, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 04, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 04, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

AIG might be better off supporting Gaelic games in general ( like Allianz Insurance).
Their support of Dublin might lead to a backlash in the rest of the counties, struggling against the
Mighty Dubs.

I remember Mobile phone company Vodafone, which had sponsored Manchester United since 2000, ended the six-year shirt deal with the Premier League club, because they were loosing customers with Liverpool fans and other Premier League clubs.

Not telling anybody to boycott AIG now ,mind you.

Great idea!

+1

I'd be very surprised if AIG haven't already lost customers already.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 05:59:31 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

1 away game since 2006? And do you have proof to back up everything else you have said
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 05, 2019, 07:25:13 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 05:59:31 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

1 away game since 2006? And do you have proof to back up everything else you have said

Dublin have played 4 away games in the LSFC in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 08:04:03 AM
So more than one.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on July 05, 2019, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 04, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 03, 2019, 09:09:30 PM
Horan is already suffering from group think.

Not surprising really. Are they still reeling off the 'Croke Park is a neutral ground?' argument

What other county gets 4 home games in a row?


The list of advantages is incredible. You mention the home advantage. Dublin footballers have played 1 away game since 2006. 1!!! They tried moving the Dublin hurlers to Croke Park but the Dubs didn't bother going. Croke Park being their home ground, of course, they get their own dressing room and warm up at the same end etc.

More advantages:

Funding: Obviously, the 20+ million funding they've received from all of us. Gone over this plenty of times but this has funded coaches for the past 15 years and has been key in the whole system in transforming Dublin GAA.

Sponsorship: With the increased success has come a huge increase in sponsorship. AIG have provided millions but the list of sponsors is lengthy. O'Neills, AIB, subaru, gibson hotel, energise sports and ballygowan amongst others. They also have the gourmet food parlour which leads on to the next advantage.

Food: Meals are prepared and delivered to them, not just at senior level. This ensures proper nutrition, vital in this day and age. Of course, the players don't pay for this, all part of how lucrative it is for Dublin players......

Freebies: The free cars for a year is well known, less so is that they also have their insurance paid for. Appearance fees came up as a topic recently, some players earn 6,000 but the rest don't do too bad either. From being apart of a Dublin development squad upwards, the players or their parents barely have to put their hands in their pockets. Nearly everything is provided.

Facilities: These development squads have the best facilities available to them. For training, strength and conditioning etc but also the very latest in sports science. Honestly, some of the things they have available to them, you'll never have heard of it!

Travel: Of course, all these facilities and venues are practically on their doorstep. This is a huge advantage over every other county who have players scattered round the country and have huge travel expenses.

Backroom team: With all the resources available, Dublin's backroom teams are very impressive. Coaches for every area including lifestyle, top quality strength and conditioning coaches, nutritionists, yoga etc. One of the most vital additions for the senior footballers was Mark Ingle, the professional basketball coach. It's made a huge difference to how they play but basically, if a manager wants help in any area, the funds are available for him to buy in expertise.

The list just goes on. I posted the graph above that shows the huge increase in titles won across all levels and codes by Dublin teams. This list of advantages explain how this has happened. This is why it's been referred to as financial doping. It's obscene.

the biggest advantage Dublin have because of the money is the ability to leverage the huge population to find and bring up to standard as many young players as possible to feed into the machine 

I was looking at a  video of Antrim hurling . The cross bar challenge. 17 and 18 year olds
Only 2 of them managed it. Everyone had a different way of connecting with the ball and follow through. So the challenge was like a random walk process.

https://youtu.be/a0--UZR3Euk

Professional coaching  à la Dublin would have had those players coached thoroughly in the core skills from maybe age 10 so that by 14 they would be able to hit the crossbar 1 in 4 times for example. Same as a very good tennis coach. Every shot has a process that must be followed. How you stand, how far back the swing goes, how high the ball is thrown, where the hurl connects and the follow through. If you are properly coached and practice enough you can eventually hit the bar every single time

Here's an example from another sport

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobotAndAIWorld/status/1146496180655927297

Antrim hurlers pick from maybe 6 clubs. Imagine if everyone in the 6 counties got professional  coaching in the basics a la Dublin. Forget about religion. The under 17 team  would not just be picked from 6 Antrim clubs. It would have the best technical players from everywhere in NI , which has a similar population to Dublin btw

This hypothetical team would hammer the shite out of the team in the video .

This is the GAA's huge problem. What does it want Gaelic football to be? The undisputed heavyweight sport in Dublin or competitive across the country?

If Dublin is given the professional  coaching  treatment the county system no longer works.
Under haphazard coaching it doesn't matter how big Dublin is. Only the naturally talented will come through with a lower skill level .

Under professional  coaching where everyone is coached thoroughly in the skills it really does matter how big Dublin is . The technically superior will emerge with consistently higher skill levels . The pool of eligible players will be much bigger. Kildare and Meath are still on haphazard coaching . The Leinster Championship collapses as a spectacle. Even if Kildare and Meath were on professional coaching they have much smaller populations than Dublin. So they can't win.

There is no way to have a competitive Leinster championship under the county system by professionalising coaching .
That is the GAA's huge issue and Horan does not understand it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda

I didn't say it is very simple, I said you are very simple and that post proves it. They are not away games, they've only had 1 away game since 2006. This is a fact.
Of course, the reason they never played away from Croke Park for a decade was financial related but also because Longford nearly beat them in 2006. There were millions being pumped into Dublin GAA, making them competitive was imperative, they wanted a return on the investment.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games
Amazing how O'Moore park wasn't suitable for their game v Laois but was grand for their game v Carlow. ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 05, 2019, 10:55:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 05, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Those 4 were at neutral venues.
Last proper away game in the Championship was v Longford back in 06.

They played Tyrone in Omagh last year. Not the Leinster championship though. As for the neutral venues, weren't they originally supposed to be Dublin away games but moved for crowds? I would still count them as away games

So Tyrone was their 1 away game since 2006. You are very simple. Dublin have also only been bringing around 10,000 supporters to the Leinster championship games at neutral venues. Embarrasingly low.

How is it simple. They were drawn away. It's not their fault that the games were moved. They are still away games. As you say they have plenty of advantages so there is no need to twist other things to suit your agenda

There is a established agreed evidence that home venue in team sport is an advantage for several reasons: familiarity, home crowd, refereeing sub-conscious bias . With the exception of Tyrone last year , it seems that no other team has enjoyed home advantage against Dublin since 2006. That's farcical, don't try to defend the indefensible. Dublin have always had advantages , but it's really only the last few years that these have been accentuated, initially by central GAA, and then a success breeds success phenomenon has fed the monster. It appears that Dublin's capacity to bring in gate money, has overridden fair play . Now that the gate receipt income has dipped the GAA at the behest of the top counties have invented the farcical super8, with ingrained unfairness and dead rubber fiasco.
It's Time for the GAA to call a halt to this nonsense before it's too late , but unfortunately I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
What "top Counties" asked the GAA to bring in the so called Super 8s?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 05, 2019, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
What "top Counties" asked the GAA to bring in the so called Super 8s?

The super 8 concept was designed to make hay when the sun shines , capitalising on Dublin's crowd pulling power. Counties that Get a relatively easier run in their provinces, again due to the lobsided unfairness of the provincial structures ( eg Kerry, Dublin , Mayo ) backed the super 8s as they were confident that it would be easier for them to get to super 8s. History has shown that  Central council can be very persuasive and incredibly several less successful counties also voted for Super 8s, talk about turkeys voting for Christmas !
Whilst I would consider a tiered championship for first round championship losers, and trying to redress provincial anomalies ( not get rid of provincial championships). The super 8s is unfair and will result in the elite getting stronger ( especially the likes of Kerry and Dublin who will be guaranteed August football every year, due to their provincial advantages )
I think Dublin have maximised on their advantages in recent years and fair play to them, I don't blame them in anyway for using the system to their advantage, but that system that must change .Employed GPOs in Dublin seems to work, it provides employment, it improves governance and participation, as well as football development. Therefore rather than cut these in Dublin, I feel that the GAA should be looking to provide every club in the country with an employed GPO( in rural area clubs could pool together to have a "cluster" GPO) . Perhaps Dublin's sponsorship monies( which are commensurate with their success) could be redistributed amongst other counties to make it a more level playing field. The issue around home advantage is farcical. Dublin should have to travel like everyone else, and though that would result in less games in a half-empty Croke Park , it would remove the stench of unfairness and reinvigorate the championship .
Interestingly a tiered championship could help redress provincial unfairness, eg if Kerry Dublin or  Mayo had to pit their wits against a division 1 Ulster team to qualify for July/August football , then they could prove their worth, or otherwise. This tiering should also serve to re-invigorate the NFL, rewarding performance in a totally fair NFL structure
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 02:23:10 PM
The super 8's were brought in on the back on a long GAA-wide consultative process that attempted to give the GAA community what it said it wanted. That's why the provincial championships were retained and why there are groups at the end of the championship rather than the start. It's not perfect, but there isn't any alternative that is, but it's not something pushed through on a whim by the suits (whoever or whatever they are).
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 05, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 02:23:10 PM
The super 8's were brought in on the back on a long GAA-wide consultative process that attempted to give the GAA community what it said it wanted. That's why the provincial championships were retained and why there are groups at the end of the championship rather than the start. It's not perfect, but there isn't any alternative that is, but it's not something pushed through on a whim by the suits (whoever or whatever they are).
What consultative process?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 03:08:05 PM
There were about 20 possible systems circulated a few years ago to County Boards.
I think most of them ignored the whole thing and nothing mterialised .
"HQ" came along with the present system and went around the Country to Co Boards to outline/sell the system.
Congress voted it through.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 05, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 02:23:10 PM
The super 8's were brought in on the back on a long GAA-wide consultative process that attempted to give the GAA community what it said it wanted. That's why the provincial championships were retained and why there are groups at the end of the championship rather than the start. It's not perfect, but there isn't any alternative that is, but it's not something pushed through on a whim by the suits (whoever or whatever they are).
What consultative process?

Can't remember the exact details but every club, county board, provincial body, gaa member and joe public were all offered the opportunity to submit their views. I think you could submit your thoughts online or email a certain address. There was also a group who went around the country to meet with county boards and collate their views. Basically, anyone with a view on the inter-county fixtures programme could submit their thoughts.

The proposal for the super 8's was by Padraic Duffy after this and was then brought around the country to county boards to promote it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 05, 2019, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 05, 2019, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 11:19:28 AM
What "top Counties" asked the GAA to bring in the so called Super 8s?

The super 8 concept was designed to make hay when the sun shines , capitalising on Dublin's crowd pulling power. Counties that Get a relatively easier run in their provinces, again due to the lobsided unfairness of the provincial structures ( eg Kerry, Dublin , Mayo ) backed the super 8s as they were confident that it would be easier for them to get to super 8s. History has shown that  Central council can be very persuasive and incredibly several less successful counties also voted for Super 8s, talk about turkeys voting for Christmas !
Whilst I would consider a tiered championship for first round championship losers, and trying to redress provincial anomalies ( not get rid of provincial championships). The super 8s is unfair and will result in the elite getting stronger ( especially the likes of Kerry and Dublin who will be guaranteed August football every year, due to their provincial advantages )
I think Dublin have maximised on their advantages in recent years and fair play to them, I don't blame them in anyway for using the system to their advantage, but that system that must change .Employed GPOs in Dublin seems to work, it provides employment, it improves governance and participation, as well as football development. Therefore rather than cut these in Dublin, I feel that the GAA should be looking to provide every club in the country with an employed GPO( in rural area clubs could pool together to have a "cluster" GPO) . Perhaps Dublin's sponsorship monies( which are commensurate with their success) could be redistributed amongst other counties to make it a more level playing field. The issue around home advantage is farcical. Dublin should have to travel like everyone else, and though that would result in less games in a half-empty Croke Park , it would remove the stench of unfairness and reinvigorate the championship .
Interestingly a tiered championship could help redress provincial unfairness, eg if Kerry Dublin or  Mayo had to pit their wits against a division 1 Ulster team to qualify for July/August football , then they could prove their worth, or otherwise. This tiering should also serve to re-invigorate the NFL, rewarding performance in a totally fair NFL structure
Some excellent points. Nice to see that not everyone is driven by the Spewan nonsense and can focus on the real inequalities. Hard to disagree with anything you've said.

Also interesting that so many clubs throughout the country can find the funds to pay for a coach to train their adult first team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
The elite 8's were brought in because attendances were falling off a cliff. It's as simple as that. It was a money making invention. It was miserable last year and hopefully it falls flat again this year. The Dublin president and others are actively clambering for 16 counties to get booted out of the championship. Tommy Murphy cup part 2 is their first plan, soon it will be complete separation and not just of 16 teams. They will not tackle the real problem, that being the doping Dubs.
By the way, all these problems have been spoken about by some of us for years. The Dublin domination and what it would lead to was predicted almost a decade ago. Back then no one took it serious, I'm delighted to see that has changed now but it's important that we push on it. Get onto our county boards etc. We can't let them wreck our games anymore.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
The elite 8's were brought in because attendances were falling off a cliff. It's as simple as that. It was a money making invention. It was miserable last year and hopefully it falls flat again this year. The Dublin president and others are actively clambering for 16 counties to get booted out of the championship. Tommy Murphy cup part 2 is their first plan, soon it will be complete separation and not just of 16 teams. They will not tackle the real problem, that being the doping Dubs.
By the way, all these problems have been spoken about by some of us for years. The Dublin domination and what it would lead to was predicted almost a decade ago. Back then no one took it serious, I'm delighted to see that has changed now but it's important that we push on it. Get onto our county boards etc. We can't let them wreck our games anymore.

Simply not true but carry on.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
The elite 8's were brought in because attendances were falling off a cliff. It's as simple as that. It was a money making invention. It was miserable last year and hopefully it falls flat again this year. The Dublin president and others are actively clambering for 16 counties to get booted out of the championship. Tommy Murphy cup part 2 is their first plan, soon it will be complete separation and not just of 16 teams. They will not tackle the real problem, that being the doping Dubs.
By the way, all these problems have been spoken about by some of us for years. The Dublin domination and what it would lead to was predicted almost a decade ago. Back then no one took it serious, I'm delighted to see that has changed now but it's important that we push on it. Get onto our county boards etc. We can't let them wreck our games anymore.

Simply not true but carry on.

What's not true?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
That super 8's were brought in simply because attendances were dropping.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: omaghjoe on July 05, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
That super 8's were brought in simply because attendances were dropping.
Yes and he was making an additional point that it was to get more competitive games for Dublin to draw in the crowds...

He said Dublin are destroying our games which isnt really true, but they are destroying the blue ribbon competition.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on July 05, 2019, 06:56:24 PM
The super 8s have also vitalised the 2nd 3rd and 4th qualifying rounds.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 05, 2019, 08:01:58 PM
This is the reason for the Super Duper 8's!

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Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on July 05, 2019, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on July 05, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
The elite 8's were brought in because attendances were falling off a cliff. It's as simple as that. It was a money making invention. It was miserable last year and hopefully it falls flat again this year. The Dublin president and others are actively clambering for 16 counties to get booted out of the championship. Tommy Murphy cup part 2 is their first plan, soon it will be complete separation and not just of 16 teams. They will not tackle the real problem, that being the doping Dubs.
By the way, all these problems have been spoken about by some of us for years. The Dublin domination and what it would lead to was predicted almost a decade ago. Back then no one took it serious, I'm delighted to see that has changed now but it's important that we push on it. Get onto our county boards etc. We can't let them wreck our games anymore.

Simply not true but carry on.

What's not true?

It's not true that last years was miserable.

Tyrone v Dublin in a packed omagh was a special atmosphere. Tyrone beating Donegal in Ballybofey to snatch a semi spot, Galway shocking Kerry in Croke park. Kerry coming to clones and playing out the game of the summer with Monaghan. Give me that anyday over 3 or 4 hammerings in the quarters.

It was great stuff.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 05, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
That super 8's were brought in simply because attendances were dropping.
Yes and he was making an additional point that it was to get more competitive games for Dublin to draw in the crowds...

He said Dublin are destroying our games which isnt really true, but they are destroying the blue ribbon competition.

I don't see where he is saying it was brought in to get Dublin more competitive games and it wasn't brought in for that either.

Of course there's an issue with Dublin's dominance but the super 8's was brought in because people were dissatisfied with the old competitive format and after consulatation this was the proposal that was put to counties. That's the simple realtity and if anyone thinks the GAA top brass want Dublin waltzing to All Ireland after All Ireland they are not well.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 05, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
That super 8's were brought in simply because attendances were dropping.
Yes and he was making an additional point that it was to get more competitive games for Dublin to draw in the crowds...

He said Dublin are destroying our games which isnt really true, but they are destroying the blue ribbon competition.

I don't see where he is saying it was brought in to get Dublin more competitive games and it wasn't brought in for that either.

Of course there's an issue with Dublin's dominance but the super 8's was brought in because people were dissatisfied with the old competitive format and after consulatation this was the proposal that was put to counties. That's the simple realtity and if anyone thinks the GAA top brass want Dublin waltzing to All Ireland after All Ireland they are not well.
Hi Zu, welcome back. You were missed. Problem with the bit I've bolded is that it's fine in theory but a whole different game in practice. It's a bit of a contradiction in words. In other words, it's an oxymoron- a bit like Microsoft Works. :D
IMO, people won't pay to see Dublin play at any cost. There must bee the possibility of a competitive game between evenly matched sides  as I can't see thousands upon thousands paying good money to see another game like the Leinster final.
Right now, what games might draw a bumper crow? I mean of course games involving the Dubs.
Mayo have gone off the boil. Kerry are some years aqy yet before they might be able to put it up to the Dubs and apart from that the only side I see who might make a competitive game of it is Donegal and there's no evidence that they are the real deal yet. I mean their league form wasn't all that impressive.
IMO, (again) is that John Costello and the suits at HQ are missing the point when they rush in to shore up Dublin. It's a case of short term game at the expense of long term loss.
BTW, the Dubs can't be blamed for this- any team in a similar position would do the very same and lap up all the goodies they can get/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on July 06, 2019, 10:21:26 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 05, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 05, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
That super 8's were brought in simply because attendances were dropping.
Yes and he was making an additional point that it was to get more competitive games for Dublin to draw in the crowds...

He said Dublin are destroying our games which isnt really true, but they are destroying the blue ribbon competition.

I don't see where he is saying it was brought in to get Dublin more competitive games and it wasn't brought in for that either.

Of course there's an issue with Dublin's dominance but the super 8's was brought in because people were dissatisfied with the old competitive format and after consulatation this was the proposal that was put to counties. That's the simple realtity and if anyone thinks the GAA top brass want Dublin waltzing to All Ireland after All Ireland they are not well.

It was brought in because attendances were falling and they wanted extra revenue! And the problem is not Dublin's dominance in senior football, it's Dublin's financial doping which has had a major effect at all grades and codes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 12:09:20 PM
In a world where we did not have one team heavily financially doped, the Leinster Football championship would be a great competition.
In a world where we did not have one team heavily financially doped, the All Ireland Football championship would be a great competition.
In a world where we did not have one team heavily financially doped, the Super 8's would be a great competition.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 06, 2019, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 12:09:20 PM
In a world where we did not have one team heavily financially doped, the Leinster Football championship would be a great competition.
In a world where we did not have one team heavily financially doped, the All Ireland Football championship would be a great competition.
In a world where we did not have one team heavily financially doped, the Super 8's would be a great competition.

That is "divisive and mean spirited" comment  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 07, 2019, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Did Dublin not beat Galway in championship a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 08, 2019, 08:03:58 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.
Dublin hurlers away from Parnell Park are very average

Pity the footballers don't get the same treatment
4 games in a row for the Dubs footballers in Croker including a 'neutral' game
You couldn't make it up
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)

They tend to lose their better hurlers to football. Culture is not there. Play their fair share of away games. Galway entering Leinster has not helped. Still making excellent progress despite those barriers, without the funding they would be McDonagh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 08, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)

They tend to lose their better hurlers to football. Culture is not there. Play their fair share of away games. Galway entering Leinster has not helped. Still making excellent progress despite those barriers, without the funding they would be McDonagh.
Westmeath beat Dublin in 2006
Laois beat Dublin in 2005


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)

They tend to lose their better hurlers to football. Culture is not there. Play their fair share of away games. Galway entering Leinster has not helped. Still making excellent progress despite those barriers, without the funding they would be McDonagh.

Barring the Cuala lad who is an out and out fine hurler and a forward to boot, who else would add anything to them?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 01:20:37 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 08, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)

They tend to lose their better hurlers to football. Culture is not there. Play their fair share of away games. Galway entering Leinster has not helped. Still making excellent progress despite those barriers, without the funding they would be McDonagh.
Westmeath beat Dublin in 2006
Laois beat Dublin in 2005

Antrim 2010ish too.

They are Improved massively but they do not have the ability to go for the jugular like the "traditional" counties. This leaves them open to these defeats.

In saying that though Eddie Brennan has brought on Laois massively. No other team at McDonagh level, and Carlow, would have come close to this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on July 08, 2019, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)

They tend to lose their better hurlers to football. Culture is not there. Play their fair share of away games. Galway entering Leinster has not helped. Still making excellent progress despite those barriers, without the funding they would be McDonagh.

Barring the Cuala lad who is an out and out fine hurler and a forward to boot, who else would add anything to them?

Cormac Costello and Ciaran Kilkenny were outstanding underage hurlers. No idea if they still play club, but I presume they do.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 02:42:04 PM
Connolly was fantastic too iirc
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 02:42:04 PM
Connolly was fantastic too iirc

Too late for him to switch now to hurling? Does he ever hurl with the club anymore?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on July 09, 2019, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: shark on July 08, 2019, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 07, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
Dublin hurlers beat by Laois. Can anyone tell me how the money is divided in Dublin. Do the hurlers get no money? I would assume it's 50/50 with the football but I'm not sure. Where is the dominance in hurling for Dublin if it's all to do with money.

Gym bunnies with an army of dieticians, shrinks, video analysts and all the rest does not a hurler make.

Dublin hurling hasn't dominated the underage hurling competitions like they have in football. The skill factor may be at play here.












8)

They tend to lose their better hurlers to football. Culture is not there. Play their fair share of away games. Galway entering Leinster has not helped. Still making excellent progress despite those barriers, without the funding they would be McDonagh.

Barring the Cuala lad who is an out and out fine hurler and a forward to boot, who else would add anything to them?

Cormac Costello and Ciaran Kilkenny were outstanding underage hurlers. No idea if they still play club, but I presume they do.

I think I saw both play in a minor semi-final in 2011 IIRC and yes, both looked good against Waterford and bloody physically well conditioned for 18 year olds.
Was impressed with their cornerback in the final which they lost, Lowndes is it, is he also on the football panel. He'd tidy hands on him.
Don't think they managed to win a minor final as yet.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 09, 2019, 11:16:15 AM
Colaiste Eoin had a few great hurling teams and really put it up to the Kilkenny schools
They seem to have fallen back again though
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 10:38:21 AM
And €20 on the terrace, €25 every where else  >:(
Laois spoiled the party in the hurley stuff though.
Meanwhile Cork have to travel to Croke Park Saturday, Sunday and the following Saturday.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 11, 2019, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 10:38:21 AM
And €20 on the terrace, €25 every where else  >:(
Laous spoiled the party in the hurley stuff though.
Meanwhile Cork have to travel to Croke Park Saturday, Sunday and the following Saturday.
And if the hurlers beat Kilkenny the Saturday after that too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on July 11, 2019, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 10:38:21 AM
Meanwhile Cork have to travel to Croke Park Saturday, Sunday and the following Saturday.

TBF, I'm not sure what the GAA could have done about that one, the Cork v KK game was fixed before the footballers qualified AFAIK. In hindisght, you might be able to make a double header with those two and put the Tipp v Laois in Kilkenny.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 11, 2019, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.

Ridiculous stuff. Kevin Mcmanaman manager in Judes at minor. Gough missed blatant free in 2016 for foul on Crowley
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 11, 2019, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 10:38:21 AM
And €20 on the terrace, €25 every where else  >:(
Laois spoiled the party in the hurley stuff though.
Meanwhile Cork have to travel to Croke Park Saturday, Sunday and the following Saturday.

Cork football supporters only show for kerry/cork games and all Ireland finals.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

In fairness I think Dennis is spot on here.  Kildare had Mick Curley refereeing all their challenge games in 98. We had a legitimate goal disallowed in 98 semi final when you know who was refereeing. But we wont complain as better team won on the day.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 12, 2019, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.

Comments like that are mean spirited and decisive.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 12, 2019, 03:21:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.

Comments like that are mean spirited and decisive.


😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mayo Border on July 12, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Any ball flagged wide by the umpires can be easily overturned and a 45 awarded. All Macmenamen has to do is protest a bit
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on July 12, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Any ball flagged wide by the umpires can be easily overturned and a 45 awarded. All Macmenamen has to do is protest a bit

I hope wont see Cillian Connors at this Sunday Wont have Dublin Joe or Mossy Deegan to back him.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mayo Border on July 12, 2019, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border link=topic=27376.msg1910128#msg1910128
date=1562941938

Any ball flagged wide by the umpires can be easily overturned and a 45 awarded. All Macmenamen has to do is protest a bit

I wont be see Cillian Connors at this Sunday Wont have Dublin Joe or Mossy Deegan to back him.
Don't worry you won't
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on July 12, 2019, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border link=topic=27376.msg1910128#msg1910128
date=1562941938

Any ball flagged wide by the umpires can be easily overturned and a 45 awarded. All Macmenamen has to do is protest a bit

I wont be see Cillian Connors at this Sunday Wont have Dublin Joe or Mossy Deegan to back him.
Don't worry you won't

😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

Yea because that's a 100% the same thing. You don't get it, it's a ridiculous appointment period. He has affiliations to St Judes, Kevin Mcmanaman's club.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 12, 2019, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

Yea because that's a 100% the same thing. You don't get it, it's a ridiculous appointment period. He has affiliations to St Judes, Kevin Mcmanaman's club.

I'm glad you cleared that up because that mentioned it previously was not clear at all
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2019, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

Yea because that's a 100% the same thing. You don't get it, it's a ridiculous appointment period. He has affiliations to St Judes, Kevin Mcmanaman's club.

I'm glad you cleared that up because that mentioned it previously was not clear at all

Mate when you work out the difference between home, away and neutral come back to us.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 08:17:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 12, 2019, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

Yea because that's a 100% the same thing. You don't get it, it's a ridiculous appointment period. He has affiliations to St Judes, Kevin Mcmanaman's club.

I'm glad you cleared that up because that mentioned it previously was not clear at all

Mate when you work out the difference between home, away and neutral come back to us.

Fair play to Kildare not objecting when Joe McQuillian was referee and certain Cavan hurler was playing for Kildare. Paddy Russsell was in charge of Kildare games while fellow county man Brian Lacey was playing  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on July 13, 2019, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

Yea because that's a 100% the same thing. You don't get it, it's a ridiculous appointment period. He has affiliations to St Judes, Kevin Mcmanaman's club.
So any player who plays for a club in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs, because they have an affiliation to Dublin, so will be biased towards Dublin?

Embarrassing yourself here Din. But Spewan would be proud of this nonsense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 13, 2019, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 12, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 11, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
So Dublin have the first of their two home games in a row this weekend in the Super 8 and the referee is Dublin based David Gough. Any other sport in any other country and you would be laughed out the door.  A complete and utter farce.
Insinuating David Gough will be biased or cheat because is lives in Dublin is a brain dead Spewanism.

Next you'll be saying the Kildare lads who live and work in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs because all culchies who come to Dublin fall in love with the Super Dubs 😍

Yea because that's a 100% the same thing. You don't get it, it's a ridiculous appointment period. He has affiliations to St Judes, Kevin Mcmanaman's club.
So any player who plays for a club in Dublin shouldn't play against the Dubs, because they have an affiliation to Dublin, so will be biased towards Dublin?

Embarrassing yourself here Din. But Spewan would be proud of this nonsense.

Gough gave everything to the dubs  tonight.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 13, 2019, 11:39:51 PM
Stop being stupid, you had a referee with an affiliation with a club refereeing a player from that club tonight. Regardless of his impartiality the optics are wrong. Do you think people wouldn't go to town on him if McManamin got away with a dodgy game changing incident. Beggars belief but then its Dublin, another home game next week for the craic. A f**king joke! 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 13, 2019, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 13, 2019, 11:39:51 PM
Stop being stupid, you had a referee with an affiliation with a club refereeing a player from that club tonight. Regardless of his impartiality the optics are wrong. Do you think people wouldn't go to town on him if McManamin got away with a dodgy game changing incident. Beggars belief but then its Dublin, another home game next week for the craic. A f**king joke!

+1 Dennis Breen
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 21, 2019, 07:42:58 AM
Time for Gaa to stop funding the dubs. Rural Ireland is on it knees
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 11:01:13 AM
After the drive for five is it the fix for six?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kurtz on August 11, 2019, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 21, 2019, 07:42:58 AM
Time for Gaa to stop funding the dubs. Rural Ireland is on it knees

Its not about money. Its about central planning
For decades, the Government have failed to develop the country as a whole
So majority of people migrate to Dublin. This is the end result
rural politicians allowed it to happen. You reap what you sow
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ciar on August 11, 2019, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.
How do other counties get permanent home advantage, 18 million in funding and the promotional appearance fees and multi-million sponsorship deals that comes from having a 1.5 million population area?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 12:06:44 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.

Ridiculous post.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.
Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.
Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

Any other sport, some teams are 'richer' than others and at the end of the day, only one team wins.

I think other teams should try and get to Dublin's standards instead of complaining. 


Every county could go down that road, Sligo will never win Connacht because Mayo has a bigger population...Clare will never win Munster because of X, Y and Z.  Every county can put up a reason but I say just get on with it - get your own house and structure etc. in place and starting developing.

As Pearse said in 1916  - "we have fought, therefore we have won"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ciar on August 11, 2019, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.
Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

Any other sport, some teams are 'richer' than others and at the end of the day, only one team wins.

I think other teams should try and get to Dublin's standards instead of complaining. 


Every county could go down that road, Sligo will never win Connacht because Mayo has a bigger population...Clare will never win Munster because of X, Y and Z.  Every county can put up a reason but I say just get on with it - get your own house and structure etc. in place and starting developing.

As Pearse said in 1916  - "we have fought, therefore we have won"
Mayo has twice the population of Sligo and receive broadly similar funding, neither team have constant home advantage.
Dublin has over 12 times the population of Mayo and receives about 25 times the funding while also having constant home advantage.

Do you really not see the difference of magnitude here?
It's also nothing to do with organisation or having "houses in order" either, they're inherent advantages granted to Dublin. The only choices are to push for change or give up on the sport.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 11, 2019, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:16 AM
When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.
Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.
Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

Any other sport, some teams are 'richer' than others and at the end of the day, only one team wins.

I think other teams should try and get to Dublin's standards instead of complaining. 


Every county could go down that road, Sligo will never win Connacht because Mayo has a bigger population...Clare will never win Munster because of X, Y and Z.  Every county can put up a reason but I say just get on with it - get your own house and structure etc. in place and starting developing.

As Pearse said in 1916  - "we have fought, therefore we have won"
The GAA is meant to be funded on an equitable basis
E.g. all clubs can apply for funding through grants
All counties can apply for funding

Except one county seems to have the majority of the funding and it's ringfenced for them
On top of that they have huge advantage in terms of generating commercial revenue
E.g. Roscommon ran two draws in the last 12 months. One was a 'Win a house' draw and the other a supporters draw. Together they generated about 800k.
To put that in perspective, Dublins sponsorship deal with AIG is worth just under 1 million per annum.
That's sponsorship, that they get straight into the bank account with no work for it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 11, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.
But at least they can apply for the same grants and funding as every other club
They don't play all their games in the village
And they don't get 10 times more funding than every other club direct from the county board
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 01:58:39 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 11, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.
But at least they can apply for the same grants and funding as every other club
They don't play all their games in the village
And they don't get 10 times more funding than every other club direct from the county board

Nobody was complaining about this funding 5 years ago.  Just seems when the Dubs are winning, people start with the excuses.  I understand your frustration but as counties, is it funding or population or Croke Park is the issue?

Seems to be that nowadays, people are throwing all excuses at the Dublin for their success but key thing is, nobody was complaining a few years ago or questioned it.

Dublin, for all their investments, are not winning many minor or All Ireland U20s/U21's.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ciar on August 11, 2019, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 11, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.
But at least they can apply for the same grants and funding as every other club
They don't play all their games in the village
And they don't get 10 times more funding than every other club direct from the county board

Nobody was complaining about this funding 5 years ago.  Just seems when the Dubs are winning, people start with the excuses.  I understand your frustration but as counties, is it funding or population or Croke Park is the issue?

Seems to be that nowadays, people are throwing all excuses at the Dublin for their success but key thing is, nobody was complaining a few years ago or questioned it.

Dublin, for all their investments, are not winning many minor or All Ireland U20s/U21's.

Nobody questioned the banks and the reckless lending before the arse fell out of the country and the taxpayer had to pick up the tab either. People tend to react when a problem manifests rather than paying attention to the process, it's not really a salient point.

And they're winning plenty at all levels if you look at the differences before and after the financial doping.

Since 2010:
Ladies - 3 AIs. Nothing in the 35 years before.
Mens U21s - 4 AIs since 2010. 1 in the 45 years before
Mens hurlers - 1 league and 1 Leinster - Nothing in almost 50 years before
Mens hurling clubs - 2 AI wins since 2010 - not even a final appearance before then.
Mens senior football - 6 AI wins since 2010 - the same total as for the 47 years before that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 11, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

How does Games Development benefit Dublin?

Let's see does it help develop talent, only if you consider the formative years of football/hurling to be massively important, I don't by the way.

Now does it help talent identification - absolutely 100%.

It introduces the games to greater numbers than ever before, therefore the more players playing the more talented players playing.

Now how else does it help, well all these new players have to play somewhere, but you can't just rock up to a Dublin club and start kicking ball, nope you pay a membership.

Kilmacud Crokes - https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership (https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership)

Family +3 Children €450
Family 2 Adults 2 Kids €355
Family 1 Child €245
Nursey 1 Child €170

A child can't join on his own.

Recently played an u8 tournament there - they had 8 teams, say 80 kids. That means Kilmacud u8s generate the guts of 20k for the club. Add in memberships across all their teams and you are into ridiculous revenues from membership.

But how does this help the Dublin Senior Footballers?

Well, all this money means they can improve facilities help attract more members including crucially the middle classes. Why are the middle classes important because it's known this socioeconomic group support their children in sport and their children are less likely to fall away. Again the longer they stay the more memberships the better the facilities.

So like most clubs Kilmacud would have a pyramid structure where everything is driven towards playing senior hurling or senior football. It's a bit of survival of the fittest, as these young players excel in their clubs with excellent facilities from astro to hurling walls to to gyms, they get identified by Dublin development squads where they get exposed to excellent coaching. Again this feed back into the club where they get to play against similar clubs with similar pathways in the most competitive club championship in Ireland. A club championship aides massively in the development of inter-county standard footballers.

Has the Dublin Senior Hurling Championship improved? Wonder where the All-Ireland Senior Club Hurling champs are from!!!!





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

How does Games Development benefit Dublin?

Let's see does it help develop talent, only if you consider the formative years of football/hurling to be massively important, I don't by the way.

Now does it help talent identification - absolutely 100%.

It introduces the games to greater numbers than ever before, therefore the more players playing the more talented players playing.

Now how else does it help, well all these new players have to play somewhere, but you can't just rock up to a Dublin club and start kicking ball, nope you pay a membership.

Kilmacud Crokes - https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership (https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership)

Family +3 Children €450
Family 2 Adults 2 Kids €355
Family 1 Child €245
Nursey 1 Child €170

A child can't join on his own.

Recently played an u8 tournament there - they had 8 teams, say 80 kids. That means Kilmacud u8s generate the guts of 20k for the club. Add in memberships across all their teams and you are into ridiculous revenues from membership.

But how does this help the Dublin Senior Footballers?

Well, all this money means they can improve facilities help attract more members including crucially the middle classes. Why are the middle classes important because it's known this socioeconomic group support their children in sport and their children are less likely to fall away. Again the longer they stay the more memberships the better the facilities.

So like most clubs Kilmacud would have a pyramid structure where everything is driven towards playing senior hurling or senior football. It's a bit of survival of the fittest, as these young players excel in their clubs with excellent facilities from astro to hurling walls to to gyms, they get identified by Dublin development squads where they get exposed to excellent coaching. Again this feed back into the club where they get to play against similar clubs with similar pathways in the most competitive club championship in Ireland. A club championship aides massively in the development of inter-county standard footballers.

Has the Dublin Senior Hurling Championship improved? Wonder where the All-Ireland Senior Club Hurling champs are from!!!!

Kilkenny
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 11, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
Good man Dinny!

That was a great effort.

Yep, population, and club membership is a huge advantage. Everyone seems to want to live in Dublin. A huge amount of those Kilmacud members are country people who've moved in. When my team plays Kilmacud, all you can hear is country accents of various hues from their supporters.

And the standard of Dublin club football means that the strong lads out of minor get amazing experience straight away, and sets them up, if they're good enough, to progression to senior intercounty.

Then you have geography of none of the Dubs players having any distance of note to travel for training.

Games development funding completely irrelevant to the Dubs senior team. Likes it's irrelvant to the senior hurling team and to the U20s and minor teams.

Actually amazing how many of the Dubs senior team have father's who played senior football. Yet people seem to think it was games development coaches in primary schools that introduced these lads to football. Bizarre.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

How does Games Development benefit Dublin?

Let's see does it help develop talent, only if you consider the formative years of football/hurling to be massively important, I don't by the way.

Now does it help talent identification - absolutely 100%.

It introduces the games to greater numbers than ever before, therefore the more players playing the more talented players playing.

Now how else does it help, well all these new players have to play somewhere, but you can't just rock up to a Dublin club and start kicking ball, nope you pay a membership.

Kilmacud Crokes - https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership (https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership)

Family +3 Children €450
Family 2 Adults 2 Kids €355
Family 1 Child €245
Nursey 1 Child €170

A child can't join on his own.

Recently played an u8 tournament there - they had 8 teams, say 80 kids. That means Kilmacud u8s generate the guts of 20k for the club. Add in memberships across all their teams and you are into ridiculous revenues from membership.

But how does this help the Dublin Senior Footballers?

Well, all this money means they can improve facilities help attract more members including crucially the middle classes. Why are the middle classes important because it's known this socioeconomic group support their children in sport and their children are less likely to fall away. Again the longer they stay the more memberships the better the facilities.

So like most clubs Kilmacud would have a pyramid structure where everything is driven towards playing senior hurling or senior football. It's a bit of survival of the fittest, as these young players excel in their clubs with excellent facilities from astro to hurling walls to to gyms, they get identified by Dublin development squads where they get exposed to excellent coaching. Again this feed back into the club where they get to play against similar clubs with similar pathways in the most competitive club championship in Ireland. A club championship aides massively in the development of inter-county standard footballers.

Has the Dublin Senior Hurling Championship improved? Wonder where the All-Ireland Senior Club Hurling champs are from!!!!

Kilkenny

Damn 2 years ago so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 11, 2019, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 11, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.
By all accounts they have a huge catchment area so it's conceivable that they have a bigger population than most, not compared to the city or town clubs but to the rest, and the penetration would be far greater than in the urban areas as it almost always is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:43:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
Good man Dinny!

That was a great effort.

Yep, population, and club membership is a huge advantage. Everyone seems to want to live in Dublin. A huge amount of those Kilmacud members are country people who've moved in. When my team plays Kilmacud, all you can hear is country accents of various hues from their supporters.

And the standard of Dublin club football means that the strong lads out of minor get amazing experience straight away, and sets them up, if they're good enough, to progression to senior intercounty.

Then you have geography of none of the Dubs players having any distance of note to travel for training.

Games development funding completely irrelevant to the Dubs senior team. Likes it's irrelvant to the senior hurling team and to the U20s and minor teams.

Actually amazing how many of the Dubs senior team have father's who played senior football. Yet people seem to think it was games development coaches in primary schools that introduced these lads to football. Bizarre.


They help finance the club structures which feeds into the county, they are a factor. Hard to quantify but a factor that can't be ignored simply because of the inequality across the country.

I have always highlighted Dublin's culture and son's of son's of son's will always be part of that culture.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:53:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

How does Games Development benefit Dublin?

Let's see does it help develop talent, only if you consider the formative years of football/hurling to be massively important, I don't by the way.

Now does it help talent identification - absolutely 100%.

It introduces the games to greater numbers than ever before, therefore the more players playing the more talented players playing.

Now how else does it help, well all these new players have to play somewhere, but you can't just rock up to a Dublin club and start kicking ball, nope you pay a membership.

Kilmacud Crokes - https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership (https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership)

Family +3 Children €450
Family 2 Adults 2 Kids €355
Family 1 Child €245
Nursey 1 Child €170

A child can't join on his own.

Recently played an u8 tournament there - they had 8 teams, say 80 kids. That means Kilmacud u8s generate the guts of 20k for the club. Add in memberships across all their teams and you are into ridiculous revenues from membership.

But how does this help the Dublin Senior Footballers?

Well, all this money means they can improve facilities help attract more members including crucially the middle classes. Why are the middle classes important because it's known this socioeconomic group support their children in sport and their children are less likely to fall away. Again the longer they stay the more memberships the better the facilities.

So like most clubs Kilmacud would have a pyramid structure where everything is driven towards playing senior hurling or senior football. It's a bit of survival of the fittest, as these young players excel in their clubs with excellent facilities from astro to hurling walls to to gyms, they get identified by Dublin development squads where they get exposed to excellent coaching. Again this feed back into the club where they get to play against similar clubs with similar pathways in the most competitive club championship in Ireland. A club championship aides massively in the development of inter-county standard footballers.

Has the Dublin Senior Hurling Championship improved? Wonder where the All-Ireland Senior Club Hurling champs are from!!!!

Kilkenny

Damn 2 years ago so.

Hahaha. If I'm not mistaken Cuala won 2 in a row didn't they
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 11, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
Good man Dinny!

That was a great effort.

Yep, population, and club membership is a huge advantage. Everyone seems to want to live in Dublin. A huge amount of those Kilmacud members are country people who've moved in. When my team plays Kilmacud, all you can hear is country accents of various hues from their supporters.

And the standard of Dublin club football means that the strong lads out of minor get amazing experience straight away, and sets them up, if they're good enough, to progression to senior intercounty.

Then you have geography of none of the Dubs players having any distance of note to travel for training.

Games development funding completely irrelevant to the Dubs senior team. Likes it's irrelvant to the senior hurling team and to the U20s and minor teams.

Actually amazing how many of the Dubs senior team have father's who played senior football. Yet people seem to think it was games development coaches in primary schools that introduced these lads to football. Bizarre.

Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.
The money Dublin GAA save by having the professional coaches paid for is freed up to invest in these development squads and elsewhere. The coaches, football, strength and conditioning and elsewhere, the sports scientists, nutritionists etc involved in developing talent in Dublin are second to none and they don't come cheap. The results from this elite player pathway are there for all to see. It's a system that has been up and running since 2001. They have highly paid officials including a strategic program manager overseeing all of this.
The underage teams have big backroom teams but of course, these are eclipsed by the much publicised senior backroom teams. Again, these don't come cheap and again, having nearly 100 professional coaches paid for makes it easier to afford. What also helps is the huge sponsorship money Dublin receive. This has increased hugely off the back of the success that has come about off the back of Dublin GAA being handed millions.
The financial doping is a multi-layered process but it's all connected. In an amateur sport where you can't buy players and have to progress with what you have, a multi million euro player creation system is a massive advantage. That's an understatement. When you add this to multi million euro senior team preparations, you can see why Dublin have dominated senior football and why Dublin should be absolutely embarrassed by the hurlers' failure to reach close to their levels.
The bottom line is that the buying of success does not only go against the ethos of the GAA but it is blatant cheating. And it must be stopped. We're getting closer to the day that will come thankfully.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.
It's not about age 14 , Hound
It's about the system
"Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan just came into the senior team as the fully achieved thing. It seemed like these guys walked in off the street but, of course, they didn't. And there are many more like them waiting in the wings."

You can tell yourself the Dub thing is entirely natural all you want but people are are turning away from gaelic football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 09:43:02 AM

It's not about age 14 , Hound
It's about the system
"Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan just came into the senior team as the fully achieved thing. It seemed like these guys walked in off the street but, of course, they didn't. And there are many more like them waiting in the wings."

You can tell yourself the Dub thing is entirely natural all you want but people are are turning away from gaelic football.

Well of course there's loads of Dubs, and we have a really good county development system that focus on football ability not size (hence a small lad like Murchan can get through). But that's nothing to do with the games development funding!

And of course we generate more money. Bryan Cullen I'd guess is a super S&C coach. Left Leinster to join Dublin, so he's getting paid. Do other counties have similar? I presume they do, but we'll get the best. My understanding is the co-ordinator of the development panel is an employee of Dublin County board, but he has to find volunteer coaches to run the stuff (who presumably get expenses).

I don't know how this is funded, AIG and other sponsorship I presume. But I do know that not a penny of the games development funding goes to coaching elite players (or any other costs for elite players).

There's plenty of genuine advantages Dublin have (population, Croke Park, sponsorship, everyone living in the county). But the games development funding has zero to do with Con and Mannion and Fenton and Jack being brilliant footballers.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on August 12, 2019, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 09:43:02 AM

It's not about age 14 , Hound
It's about the system
"Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan just came into the senior team as the fully achieved thing. It seemed like these guys walked in off the street but, of course, they didn't. And there are many more like them waiting in the wings."

You can tell yourself the Dub thing is entirely natural all you want but people are are turning away from gaelic football.

Well of course there's loads of Dubs, and we have a really good county development system that focus on football ability not size (hence a small lad like Murchan can get through). But that's nothing to do with the games development funding!

And of course we generate more money. Bryan Cullen I'd guess is a super S&C coach. Left Leinster to join Dublin, so he's getting paid. Do other counties have similar? I presume they do, but we'll get the best. My understanding is the co-ordinator of the development panel is an employee of Dublin County board, but he has to find volunteer coaches to run the stuff (who presumably get expenses).

I don't know how this is funded, AIG and other sponsorship I presume. But I do know that not a penny of the games development funding goes to coaching elite players (or any other costs for elite players).

There's plenty of genuine advantages Dublin have (population, Croke Park, sponsorship, everyone living in the county). But the games development funding has zero to do with Con and Mannion and Fenton and Jack being brilliant footballers.

It's actually a bit scary that you think it has nothing to do with it. It's bonkers that you believe that not a penny of development funding goes to developing and coaching the elite players. Seriously?

It was refreshing to read the Examiner over the weekend where they interviewed three 'Dublin' coaches. Leaving aside that they were originally from other counties they all more or less said that the funding needs to be addressed.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on August 12, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
How much do Croke Park charge Dublin CB for the hire of Croke Park for a National League game?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on August 12, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.

:o :o :o

Yea like the funding part is completely made up.

It's like ye are all part of some sort of cult.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 09:43:02 AM

It's not about age 14 , Hound
It's about the system
"Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan just came into the senior team as the fully achieved thing. It seemed like these guys walked in off the street but, of course, they didn't. And there are many more like them waiting in the wings."

You can tell yourself the Dub thing is entirely natural all you want but people are are turning away from gaelic football.

Well of course there's loads of Dubs, and we have a really good county development system that focus on football ability not size (hence a small lad like Murchan can get through). But that's nothing to do with the games development funding!

And of course we generate more money. Bryan Cullen I'd guess is a super S&C coach. Left Leinster to join Dublin, so he's getting paid. Do other counties have similar? I presume they do, but we'll get the best. My understanding is the co-ordinator of the development panel is an employee of Dublin County board, but he has to find volunteer coaches to run the stuff (who presumably get expenses).

I don't know how this is funded, AIG and other sponsorship I presume. But I do know that not a penny of the games development funding goes to coaching elite players (or any other costs for elite players).

There's plenty of genuine advantages Dublin have (population, Croke Park, sponsorship, everyone living in the county). But the games development funding has zero to do with Con and Mannion and Fenton and Jack being brilliant footballers.

Before the GAA started pumping the money in the Dubs won 43 Leinsters in 118 years
Since funding has been pumped in, they have won 15 out of 19
You can't explain that , Hound, unless you admit the truth

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 09:43:02 AM

It's not about age 14 , Hound
It's about the system
"Brian Howard and Eoin Murchan just came into the senior team as the fully achieved thing. It seemed like these guys walked in off the street but, of course, they didn't. And there are many more like them waiting in the wings."

You can tell yourself the Dub thing is entirely natural all you want but people are are turning away from gaelic football.

Well of course there's loads of Dubs, and we have a really good county development system that focus on football ability not size (hence a small lad like Murchan can get through). But that's nothing to do with the games development funding!

And of course we generate more money. Bryan Cullen I'd guess is a super S&C coach. Left Leinster to join Dublin, so he's getting paid. Do other counties have similar? I presume they do, but we'll get the best. My understanding is the co-ordinator of the development panel is an employee of Dublin County board, but he has to find volunteer coaches to run the stuff (who presumably get expenses).

I don't know how this is funded, AIG and other sponsorship I presume. But I do know that not a penny of the games development funding goes to coaching elite players (or any other costs for elite players).

There's plenty of genuine advantages Dublin have (population, Croke Park, sponsorship, everyone living in the county). But the games development funding has zero to do with Con and Mannion and Fenton and Jack being brilliant footballers.

Before the GAA started pumping the money in the Dubs won 43 Leinsters in 118 years
Since funding has been pumped in, they have won 15 out of 19
You can't explain that , Hound, unless you admit the truth

I was also involved in underage in my club and i never seen, met or heard of the GDO that was attached to the club, sure i know a couple of others from other clubs, its a dos, none of them work Mondays.

Also introduced during that period was the development system, the stucture of recentley enought past players taking teams out. Massive growth (Super clubs), Pat Gilroy and Jim Gavin and some great players sons being part of it team the last decade. The introduction of coaching courses and workshops for parents, foundation level to level whatever.

As i said , a lot of advantages, like other elite teams, like Galway have over Leitrim or Cork should have over Kerry but dont.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 12:50:29 PM
Cork is a hurling County.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
Solution is simple  ::)

Restrict Dublin county team from 2021 onwards to previous years club champions with 2 wildcards.

This would be for a 5 year trial period.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thebackbar1 on August 12, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.

It might be gloried p.e, but why can't urban clubs outside of Dublin avail of this funding ? Why are Dublin clubs seen as more equal than clubs outside of Dublin ?  Fair play to the Dubs for availing of this funding, but the GAA management at Croke Park need to start earning their salaries.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on August 12, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.

It might be gloried p.e, but why can't urban clubs outside of Dublin avail of this funding ? Why are Dublin clubs seen as more equal than clubs outside of Dublin ?  Fair play to the Dubs for availing of this funding, but the GAA management at Croke Park need to start earning their salaries.

In my opinion, Dublin are underfunded. The amount should be increased for penentration into new area of Dublin to try to install a GAA presence.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 12, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on August 12, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.

It might be gloried p.e, but why can't urban clubs outside of Dublin avail of this funding ? Why are Dublin clubs seen as more equal than clubs outside of Dublin ?  Fair play to the Dubs for availing of this funding, but the GAA management at Croke Park need to start earning their salaries.

In my opinion, Dublin are underfunded. The amount should be increased for penentration into new area of Dublin to try to install a GAA presence.
What have they been doing for 10+ years?
Ignoring the non GAA areas?
Where have they been splurging the money so?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on August 12, 2019, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 12, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on August 12, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.

It might be gloried p.e, but why can't urban clubs outside of Dublin avail of this funding ? Why are Dublin clubs seen as more equal than clubs outside of Dublin ?  Fair play to the Dubs for availing of this funding, but the GAA management at Croke Park need to start earning their salaries.

In my opinion, Dublin are underfunded. The amount should be increased for penentration into new area of Dublin to try to install a GAA presence.
What have they been doing for 10+ years?
Ignoring the non GAA areas?
Where have they been splurging the money so?

The manager and backroom team need paying. They don't come cheap ya know.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thebackbar1 on August 12, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on August 12, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
@Hound, lads on here are not interested in facts which you clearly have first hand knoweledge off, The funding issues is just a cheap jibe to try and take away from the senior footballers.

As you outlined, there is bigger advantages Dublin have than some coach coming up to Dublin to coach in primary schools to mostley kids who are not even in GAA clubs, no offence to any but its a glorifed P.E job, a lot of schools dont have P.E coaches, these lads come in and do an hour or 2 a week.

It might be gloried p.e, but why can't urban clubs outside of Dublin avail of this funding ? Why are Dublin clubs seen as more equal than clubs outside of Dublin ?  Fair play to the Dubs for availing of this funding, but the GAA management at Croke Park need to start earning their salaries.

In my opinion, Dublin are underfunded. The amount should be increased for penentration into new area of Dublin to try to install a GAA presence.

I wouldn't see an issue with this as long as the funding was opened up to all growing urban areas where the GAA is lacking a presence. Increasing participation rates in our sports should be our top concern, though this may mean that our intercounty competitions may become more imbalanced that they currently already are. Similarly the association needs a strategy for supporting rural clubs. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sambostar on August 12, 2019, 02:19:26 PM
I'm involved in a Dublin club underage with 2 GDO's. 1 is involved with a county team & is an exceptional individual. The huge benefit is not just in coaching kids themselves but coaching the coaches who then pass on expertise to the kids. Any time drills or advice is needed there's someone available to assist. A GDO is on hand to come to training to monitor & advise how things can be improved. To say that hasn't helped develop players over last 15 years is nonsense. And other counties don't have these luxuries
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: sambostar on August 12, 2019, 02:19:26 PM
I'm involved in a Dublin club underage with 2 GDO's. 1 is involved with a county team & is an exceptional individual. The huge benefit is not just in coaching kids themselves but coaching the coaches who then pass on expertise to the kids. Any time drills or advice is needed there's someone available to assist. A GDO is on hand to come to training to monitor & advise how things can be improved. To say that hasn't helped develop players over last 15 years is nonsense. And other counties don't have these luxuries

Nobody is doubting it helps, but its not the overall contribution to the success. There are many factors, many.

I was wrong to call it a glorified P.E teacher, some do good work. Niall Corcoran from Galway, who was a GDO in Dublin and played for the Dublin hurlers is now with Laois hurlers, not sure if he still coaches. My associate has a masters in P.E and is fully qualifed at the top level coach for 13 years with 3 clubs, he has now moved on to better things.

The coaching the coaches is the real advantage of this whole thing, mothers and father being brought up to foundation/level 1 and it helps, there are no micky mouse training sessions, all structured, which is i am sure the case in a lot of counties now.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2019, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
Solution is simple  ::)

Restrict Dublin county team from 2021 onwards to previous years club champions with 2 wildcards.

This would be for a 5 year trial period.
Jeez. Hope Judes don't win Dublin so. 14 culchies and Kev Mac!


(may be a slight exaggeration in case any Judes people are offended)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2019, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
Solution is simple  ::)

Restrict Dublin county team from 2021 onwards to previous years club champions with 2 wildcards.

This would be for a 5 year trial period.
Jeez. Hope Judes don't win Dublin so. 14 culchies and Kev Mac!


(may be a slight exaggeration in case any Judes people are offended)


Your not far off.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 03:53:14 PM
There is obvious benefit to GDOs and several other aspects of Dublin raising  the bar in terms of professional approach. It has worked for GAA in Dublin and We should be learning from this and try to extend these benefits throughout the GAA.
A few controversial solutions for starters  :
1.Working group on Gaa strategy including Exploring the possibility of re-drawing GAA boundaries which were historically based in the British counties system and on catholic parishes. Eg split Dublin in 4, cluster parishes for GDO. Hi
2.Have a 3 tiered All ireland based on NFL position, post first round. Then revert to knockout
3.equitable distribution of GAA central funds and sponsorship
4. All-Ireland sustainable Expenses budget for all players
5. Floodlit and gym facilities for all clubs to improve participation
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:02:15 PM
Don't forget that the doping has not just improved their senior footballers, it's across the board, have a look:


(http://i67.tinypic.com/vhrhvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those counties who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters. 


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those countries who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters.

How many cheats get celebrated? Does Lance Armstrong still get celebrated? Michelle Smith? Do you remember what Michelle and her team used to say actually? The Americans were just jealous and begrudging her success when they pointed out the obvious. Dublin's titles across all grades and levels are sullied, I've said for years there is an asterisk beside them and more and more people are accepting that now. Like Armstrong, the Dubs can live in their own bubble and abuse anyone who exposes their doping, no one else has to play along, however.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those countries who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters.

How many cheats get celebrated? Does Lance Armstrong still get celebrated? Michelle Smith? Do you remember what Michelle and her team used to say actually? The Americans were just jealous and begrudging her success when they pointed out the obvious. Dublin's titles across all grades and levels are sullied, I've said for years there is an asterisk beside them and more and more people are accepting that now. Like Armstrong, the Dubs can live in their own bubble and abuse anyone who exposes their doping, no one else has to play along, however.

So you've said it for years! You certainly haven't said it on this forum —- unless you are one and the same as the other trolls who have appeared and disappeared here over the past few years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those countries who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters.

How many cheats get celebrated? Does Lance Armstrong still get celebrated? Michelle Smith? Do you remember what Michelle and her team used to say actually? The Americans were just jealous and begrudging her success when they pointed out the obvious. Dublin's titles across all grades and levels are sullied, I've said for years there is an asterisk beside them and more and more people are accepting that now. Like Armstrong, the Dubs can live in their own bubble and abuse anyone who exposes their doping, no one else has to play along, however.

So you've said it for years! You certainly haven't said it on this forum —- unless you are one and the same as the other trolls who have appeared and disappeared here over the past few years.

Whenever Dublin win, the first issue that will be raised is the doping, it will never go away. The Dubs can't get it out of their minds either. They know they've cheated. Whenever Dublin lose they joke about splitting the opposition, this shows how much the doping is affecting them, they can't forget, no one will forget it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on August 12, 2019, 10:18:19 PM
Jesus Christ. You'd swear these Dubs were invincible robots the way people go on about them. They're only men ffs. Flesh and blood same as you and me. This invincible aura is leaving teams beat before they start, its like the great Kilkenny, Crossmaglen or even Manchester United teams, the opposition have shite the togs before a ball is thrown in. At the end of the day its 15 on 15, Kerry and Mayo know this, Mayo should have beaten this team twice in All Ireland finals and Kerry won't fear them one bit. May not be this year but Kerry will get the better of this Dublin team and show that they are human after all.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 12, 2019, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 12, 2019, 10:18:19 PM
Jesus Christ. You'd swear these Dubs were invincible robots the way people go on about them. They're only men ffs. Flesh and blood same as you and me. This invincible aura is leaving teams beat before they start, its like the great Kilkenny, Crossmaglen or even Manchester United teams, the opposition have shite the togs before a ball is thrown in. At the end of the day its 15 on 15, Kerry and Mayo know this, Mayo should have beaten this team twice in All Ireland finals and Kerry won't fear them one bit. May not be this year but Kerry will get the better of this Dublin team and show that they are human after all.
Were Cross getting loads of funding that other clubs in Armagh weren't?

It's unfair to compare the Dubs recent found success at minor, U21 and senior level with the drug doping of some sportpeople
Completely irrelevant
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 11:02:29 PM
Am always the opinion if its 1 team entered in a competition, it should get equal of the money as with all other teams,
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ciar on August 13, 2019, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those countries who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters.

How many cheats get celebrated? Does Lance Armstrong still get celebrated? Michelle Smith? Do you remember what Michelle and her team used to say actually? The Americans were just jealous and begrudging her success when they pointed out the obvious. Dublin's titles across all grades and levels are sullied, I've said for years there is an asterisk beside them and more and more people are accepting that now. Like Armstrong, the Dubs can live in their own bubble and abuse anyone who exposes their doping, no one else has to play along, however.

Correct. There's a huge cloud over this team and the GAA at present.
The investigations in the coming years will be fascinating and how this era will be viewed in hindsight.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2019, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Ciar on August 13, 2019, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those countries who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters.

How many cheats get celebrated? Does Lance Armstrong still get celebrated? Michelle Smith? Do you remember what Michelle and her team used to say actually? The Americans were just jealous and begrudging her success when they pointed out the obvious. Dublin's titles across all grades and levels are sullied, I've said for years there is an asterisk beside them and more and more people are accepting that now. Like Armstrong, the Dubs can live in their own bubble and abuse anyone who exposes their doping, no one else has to play along, however.

Correct. There's a huge cloud over this team and the GAA at present.
The investigations in the coming years will be fascinating and how this era will be viewed in hindsight.
It's a bit like the Tour de France when Armstrong was winning
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 13, 2019, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 13, 2019, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Ciar on August 13, 2019, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 12, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 12, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 11, 2019, 08:38:53 PM


Time after time it gets pointed out to you but you just stick your fingers in your ears!

The games development funding plays a vital role in producing and identifying talent but it's just the first step in the financial doping scandal. These professional coaches go into schools, coach kids the basics at a young age and encourage them to join the local club. In the clubs they coach the coaches and take sessions themselves but one of their key roles is identifying talent and reporting their findings to the various regional of hurling development officers who get these players into the development squads and the elite player program.


That's just complete lies.

The games developments officers have absolutely nothing to do with identifying talent.

For example, at U14 level, the mentors of my lad's team were asked to bring their best 10 players to a Dublin development trials day. The mentors, who were parents like me, had the decision to make which 10 out of the about lads were going to do. Our games development officer never went near these lads. Ever.

My lad was one of the 10, so I went along. Now, he knew and I knew that there was no chance of ever playing for the Dubs, but it was a great experience to get that tiny glimmer of hope!
From memory, they did 5 different 10/15 minute sessions, where they were mixed with one other club and doing various drills and taken by different trainers who were there. I remember David Henry and Declan Lally were there. I think Stephen O'Shaughnessy was co-ordinating it. There was probably 100 kids there, with 5 coaches plus the co-ordinator, so every coach worked with every player. There was was probably at least one other separate session with 100 more. 4 of our lads were asked back to a second session and they whittled them down until they got to a workable number.

The following year they start with the best of the lads, and ask the mentors in each team to identify any lads who missed out but they think warrant another look. The games development officers have zero impact or influence, many of them arent even Dubs ffs (we're on our fourth at my club in my time, and the 3rd one was the only Dub). I'd be surprised if most other counties don't have something similiar, albeit with much less numbers! But none of it has anything to do with games development funding directed at primary school children.

So yeah, you talk a load of shite about stuff you know nothing about.

The games development officers certainly do have a role in identifying talent. You mightn't have seen it but that doesn't mean anything.

These development squads have huge amounts of funding pumped into them. They're academy teams similar to what you'll find at the provinces in rugby. Some of the sports science testing they undergo, other counties wouldn't even know what it's called. And you only part quoted me because you again want to ignore the main point. The games development funding is not some completely separate thing. These paid coaches play a key role but also, with this paid for, there's money to spend elsewhere. It's all one big system. For example, where do you think all those numbers come from at trials etc? How did they get involved in GAA? Would the professional coaches who were in their schools and gave them one of their first interactions with sport have anything to do with it?

As I said, the financial doping is not just the Bertie fund, it also includes the huge sponsorship money which has led to professional structures at all levels.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/

In 2018 "Dublin spent €3.6m on coaching and games development. Of that, €1.2m from central headquarters, the clubs paid 50% of the games promotion officers and the balance of the funding comes from the county board funds, through sponsorship and gate receipts."
Dublin, with 10 intercounty sponsors on board, earned €1.46m in commercial revenue in 2017 - more than twice that of their closest rival in the financial stakes, Cork. "

It's a racket

When you spell it out like that, it is a racket , and unfair. never mind the advantages and economies of  scale associated with being a large centre of population with much better resources and facilities, (and that's not of Dublin or the GAA's making) , the 95% home games, the depth of  quality from which they can choose their players, managers and administrators . It's an awful pity that Dublin's successes over the past few years will always be sullied by the ridiculous advantages they enjoy. I'll never take away from them , that In the past 10 years they have capitalised on those advantages brilliantly and fair play to them. It's not their fault , it's the fact that the GAA have done nothing to redress the balance.

Those countries who feel that they cannot compete with Dublin should seriously look at amalgamating for the purpose of fielding intercounty teams. The answer to the "problem' should not always centre on how to neuter Dublin.

BTW. There's no danger that history will see Dublin's achievements as being "sullied", rather people will wonder at the incessant levels of begrudgery with which their achievements were greeted from some quarters.

How many cheats get celebrated? Does Lance Armstrong still get celebrated? Michelle Smith? Do you remember what Michelle and her team used to say actually? The Americans were just jealous and begrudging her success when they pointed out the obvious. Dublin's titles across all grades and levels are sullied, I've said for years there is an asterisk beside them and more and more people are accepting that now. Like Armstrong, the Dubs can live in their own bubble and abuse anyone who exposes their doping, no one else has to play along, however.

Correct. There's a huge cloud over this team and the GAA at present.
The investigations in the coming years will be fascinating and how this era will be viewed in hindsight.
It's a bit like the Tour de France when Armstrong was winning

Since you've become a cheerleader for Priceyreilly you've really lost the plot. Your last comment is a new low.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 13, 2019, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 12, 2019, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 12, 2019, 10:18:19 PM
Jesus Christ. You'd swear these Dubs were invincible robots the way people go on about them. They're only men ffs. Flesh and blood same as you and me. This invincible aura is leaving teams beat before they start, its like the great Kilkenny, Crossmaglen or even Manchester United teams, the opposition have shite the togs before a ball is thrown in. At the end of the day its 15 on 15, Kerry and Mayo know this, Mayo should have beaten this team twice in All Ireland finals and Kerry won't fear them one bit. May not be this year but Kerry will get the better of this Dublin team and show that they are human after all.
Were Cross getting loads of funding that other clubs in Armagh weren't?

It's unfair to compare the Dubs recent found success at minor, U21 and senior level with the drug doping of some sportpeople
Completely irrelevant

In a word, yes. Or in other words, they never once were in the red *ahem*

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 13, 2019, 02:39:35 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html)

QuoteYou won't find them on the Hill today. They don't chant You Boys in Blue – though some of their children will. They don't enquire 'what's the jackanory', and they don't tweet vitriol any time whenever Dublin's funding is mentioned in the media. Because they're not Dubs. They're culchies, nordies, blow-ins.

Yet Dublin made them, and they've helped make Dublin, the dominant force in both the men's and women's game. Which probably makes them best placed to explain the phenomenon that is Dublin football. Because they're not one of the natives, they'll more readily acknowledge any inherent advantages unique to the capital, just as they can spot and appreciate something Dublin are doing that the rest of the country aren't.


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Paraic McDonald gives both a smile and a name to the faceless acronym you keep hearing about: the GDO.

A native of Castleblaney reared on the heroics of Nudie Hughes and Eamonn McEneaney, he helped the Faughs to a further seven county championships and an Ulster club title before falling in with Kilmacud Crokes upon arriving in the big smoke in 1997 as one of the first batch of games development officers recruited from the country.

Over the decades he has served on multiple county underage coaching tickets, as well as operating out in Crokes where he is now their full-time coaching director.

Gregory McGonigle is someone else well versed in both Monaghan and Dublin football. Although he hails from Dungiven, he emerged as one of the leading coaches in the women's game by steering Monaghan to a couple of All-Ireland finals and a national league title.

He then took over a Dublin team that for three consecutive years had failed to get beyond the All-Ireland quarter-final round and duly led them to three straight finals, albeit all single-score defeats to Cork. Since passing the baton on to Mick Bohan, he has coached the Dublin minor ladies as well as a men's club team, St Maurs, featuring U20 starlet Ciaran Archer.


Kilmacud Crokes coaching director Paraic McDonald
Kilmacud Crokes coaching director Paraic McDonald
Philip McElwee is another Derry man who knows the quiet fields of north county Dublin. He's been based there 40 years now, ever since coming straight out of the Ranch training college in Belfast. For six years he'd continuously traverse the border to keep playing county football for Derry before the hassle of it wore him down.

As he was living in Drumcondra, he and his kids would gravitate to Na Fianna where he'd manage the club to minor county titles, piquing the interest and respect of one of the club's most famous sons. After a 15-year senior inter-county career, Dessie Farrell was looking to give something back to the blue jersey and for someone to help him coaching a Dublin U14 development squad featuring the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Jack McCaffrey.

Over the years they'd win All Ireland minor and U21 finals together, Farrell as manager and McElwee as one of his trusted selectors. McElwee then managed the Na Fianna seniors for two years before stepping aside last autumn due to a restrictive hip, allowing Farrell to take the reins. "My time has now passed," he smiles, nearly peering over his glasses. "I've given it my shot."

He's seen it all in that time. He can remember Dublin in the rare auld losing days and he got to see how the perpetual winning blue machine was assembled, having been part of the pit crew himself.

So how was it put together? How has a sleeping, dormant giant awaken to terrorise and dominate all around them? Any chance they'll dose off again? We'll hand it over to our three friends from the country to tell you the real jackanory.

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'A PERFECT STORM': THE COACHING OF THE COACHES

McELWEE: I think what happened was something of a perfect storm, if you will. A lot of clubs started to get their act together and put in a big shift in their nurseries and juvenile sections. They began to coach the coaches so the skills were being coached correctly and that there'd be a unity of purpose running right throughout the club. Then you had the GPOs coming and helping that.

Which happened first? The GPOs or the clubs upping their game? It was nearly the two of them coming together.

McDONALD: The summer of '95, I was playing football in Chicago for St Brendan's. Kieran McGeeney and Niall Buckley would have been playing with us as well. It was my first introduction to weight training – lugging timber all around the sites. Pat McEnaney was out there refereeing and had said to someone at home, 'This boy is flying.' 'Blaney hadn't won a championship in four years so I was flown home. We ended up winning the county and having a run in Ulster by which time Chicago was shutting down for the winter, so I was stuck at home, looking for something to do.

I started coaching in the local primary school, then got involved with the Monaghan county board through a FÁS scheme, and signed up to study Applied Sports Management in UCD. Near the end of the course a job as a games development officer came up with the Dublin county board.

There were eight or nine of us starting out. You'd have had the likes of [former Dublin ladies player] Christina McGinty, Niamh Leahy. Vinny Murphy and Paul Curran were just finishing up.

The job was to increase the numbers and improve the quality of players. I was based on the southside, covering nine clubs, the likes of St Jude's, Ballyboden, Thomas Davis, St Mark's, St Killian's, St Kevin's. It would have been difficult, trying to work the club-school relationship when you were trying to cover that many clubs. I'd say 65 percent of my time back then would have been in the schools whereas now it would be 75 percent with the club [Kilmacud].

Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two. These days I'd be employed by the club, not the county board, while Niall [Corcoran, Kilmacud's hurling officer] is funded through the GDO scheme, which is half-funded by the board and half-funded by the club.


McGONIGLE: To say the [games development] funding hasn't been a contributing factor would be wrong. But the population base is the big advantage. For every good GDO like a Paraic McDonald, you can have a bad GDO. For me, it's a numbers game. I remember once hearing that Russian boxing only needs one in 10,000 to become a world contender whereas Ireland needs one in every five. For a Derry or Monaghan to have a good county team, you need every club to produce a county player. In Dublin it only has to be one in every three clubs.

Maurs to me are more like a rural club. Yet they've brought through a Ciaran Reddin. If Conor Maguire was in Monaghan he'd be on their county panel. And now you have a Ciaran Archer.

My two years with Maurs, he was the first man there and last man to leave, all the time with a bag of footballs. The weekend Conor McManus kicked that wonder point up in Omagh out by the sideline, Ciaran kicked a better point for us against St Brigid's in a league match out in Rush. Our video analyst had it clipped and everything but we decided not to put it up on social media, that he didn't need to be put on a pedestal at that stage.

That score wasn't the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game.

And having good management teams at the top like Jim Gavin's or Pat Gilroy's helps. When you have success, everyone aspires. In the late '90s, early '00s, did everyone want to play for Dublin?

McDONALD: The development squads would have started in '98. I remember sitting around the same table as Kevin Heffernan who was chairing the steering group to help get them up and running. At the time we would have been well behind the likes of Laois who would have had Sean Dempsey bringing through the Beano [McDonald] teams.

The first U14 squad, [former Dublin senior manager] Gerry McCaul was the manager, Mick Bohan was involved, as was myself and a guy called John Nolan. Bryan Cullen would have been one of the 50 players on that panel. At 17 Gerry stepped away and Mick was manager for their last year at minor. Longford knocked us out in a Leinster semi-final.

I went back the following year to an U15 development squad. And if you were to compare the quality of player coming through then to the U13s now, the difference is night and day. Kids were coming into us without the basic skills. They were kick-passing a five-yard pass instead of hand-passing it but their instinct was to kick it along the ground. So they obviously hadn't been exposed to any level of coaching.


I look now at U14 football in Dublin and the standard of football in the county is phenomenal. The level of individual skill the players have, the level of coaching teams, it's incomparable to the late '90s, early '00s. And a big reason why is obviously the GDO system going into Dublin.

McGONIGLE: It should be available to everybody. There's enough money in the GAA to make it happen and self-sustainable. You could give other counties more and if needs be give Dublin a bit less.

McDONALD: A huge emphasis went on in Dublin into the club nurseries. In Kilmacud we could have 100 kids coming into the nursery every year. And we are lucky that it's very parent-led. It's not like a Castleblaney where you are relying on ex-players to come back down and take teams. In Kilmacud if we get 100 kids coming in, we get about 50 parents willing to help out.

And of those 50 parents, typically only 10 of them will have had previous GAA experience. If five of them have played hurling to any decent level, that would be doing well. The vast majority are coming from different sports or non-sporting backgrounds or different countries.

At nursery level it's all about fun and introducing general sports skills and fundamental movements. Let them throw the ball! Don't worry if it's not a [proper] handpass. We would play a lot of Olympic handball with our underage groups. It's [embedding] pass and move. Hand-and-eye coordination. Catching skills. Footwork. It's non-contact. And it's fun!

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Our aim is to bring as many through to the adult section as possible. People think Kilmacud is just about winning senior championships or All-Irelands but one of the things I'm proudest of is that recently we had the first U15 D team in Dublin. So we had four teams at U15 level; 80 or 90 of the kids that came into the nursery nearly 10 years earlier were still there.

My own role is to coach them rather than coach teams; the role of a GDO is to facilitate the volunteer, not replace the volunteer. The current chairman of the club's coaching committee would have come through the system here and I work with him.

Last month we had a meeting with the U13-18 football coaches and I'd say there was 20 people in the room. We had every age group produce a plan and so they presented it to the whole room. We'd hold regular meetings, workshops, bring in guest coaches maybe once a month. Over the years we've had the likes of the late John Morrison, Mick Bohan. Last month we had Christy O'Connor in working on hurling goalkeeping.

So, yeah, it's a lot of meetings outside training but it goes back to the Abraham Lincoln quote: 'Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe'. Without thinking about what we're going to do and discussing what's worked best in the past and what are the variables in our environment and adding best practice, we're not going to make the most of the time we have with the players.

McGONIGLE: In fairness, the standard of coaching in Dublin club football is excellent. The standard of volunteer coaching.

McDONALD: There's a real coaching culture in Dublin now, similar to what Ulster had when I was coming through, playing football. It comes back down to the quality of people you have involved.

The Dublin development squads aren't better resourced than any other in the country but I know the people involved in their current U15 and U16 squads and the level of coaching those kids are getting exposed to is phenomenal. Just the level of attention to detail, the level of individual development they're getting.

Ger Lyons is overlooking them. Again, he's a volunteer, a teacher out in Lucan, but who has coached teams out in UCD with John Divilly and won Sigersons. I would have had him out in Crokes, taking a couple of the award level-one courses. It's the environment he creates, how he makes you feel.

It was the same with the likes of Dessie Farrell before that. Pat Gilroy has to be given huge credit for taking that side of the late noughties and turning them into All-Ireland winners. What Jim Gavin has done is clearly phenomenal. But you also had someone like Dessie at underage who brought on a lot of those lads.

'CIARAN'S BALL!': DESSIE AND THE BOYS
McELWEE: As a young lad, I'd have gone to St Pat's, Maghera. Adrian McGuckin would have coached us. The work he did was phenomenal. He went beyond the call of duty. He made you believe you could do anything. And you could see that in the [Derry] team that won the '93 All-Ireland. He'd engendered this belief and this loyalty to one another that is needed to get to the top.

Dessie did something similar with a lot of the current Dublin team. Traditionally in Dublin underage football, there would have been no great unity. It would have been very individualistic, with lads coming from different schools. Dessie broke that down over time.

But even going back to when those lads were 13, 14, you could see the likes of Jack [McCaffrey] and Ciaran [Kilkenny] were serious players. They had the skills. Both feet. Both hands. And they wanted to learn.

A lot of it was about empowering them to take responsibility. They'd all call 'My ball'. As in, if Davy Byrne was going for a ball, he'd be calling, 'Davy's ball!' You'd put your name to it. So everyone knew you were going for that ball. 'Ciaran's ball!' 'Jack's ball!' Everybody was responsible in their own line. And it meant we had less to correct. They'd be directing things themselves on the field, directing each other.

So, say, I'd track somebody. I would shout, 'Ciaran, I've [number] 14!' So you'd trust me. 'He's looking after him so I'll look after the man coming here now.' They came to trust one another to do the deed that was required at that moment. I might have come out of defence to create an overlap but I would trust that you were going to stay and drop into my position and not hang me out. 'Scully, come on, cover, cover!' And if you look at them, they all play with their head up. You get the ball, the head is up. [Niall] Scully, he'll knock a 45-metre ball off his foot on a plate for you. The unselfishness of him.

McDONALD: When I first came down here, it would always have been said that the most talented kids in Dublin were primarily playing soccer. I don't think that's the case anymore. People can now see a pathway with Dublin GAA.

Paul Mannion could have been a top-class soccer player, playing League of Ireland or even across the water. At 15, 16, he was heading across to the northside two or three times a week to play with Belvedere, a big commitment. He made an Irish schools team. But at the same time Dessie Farrell got him involved with a development squad and clearly Paul responded to that.

McELWEE: Dessie would be very much into listening to the players. And he always got them to challenge themselves. He'd set it up where they'd come in for a huddle and we'd leave them for two minutes. 'Right, sort that out, lads.' They would have come up with the keywords and phrases. It wouldn't have been from management.

There would have been very little shouting or roaring. It was about them developing so they'd be able to execute under pressure. We'd have very intense internal games where whenever you'd be absolutely exhausted, you had be able to make a decision and execute the skill. So it became second nature in matches because you would have already done it in internal games.

Say if you lost the cumulative score of three internal games. You'd have to stay back for five minutes to do some exercises or just to reflect. It wasn't so much a punishment but reflection time. 'Right, why are we here when the other boys are getting showered? We had as good a chance as they had and we made wrong decisions. The next night, let's make sure we're not the group kept behind.'

I don't know if in other counties the coaches stay that long. We were with that group right from U14 up to U21. That's a long time of consistent development. And we worked so well together. Different people would come in alright at different stages. Noel McCaffrey would have been involved with north U14 development squads right up to the first minor All-Ireland final [2011] team. Same with [Alan] 'Nipper' McNally. Mick Galvin came in at U21, straight from the same school as Dessie. So there was a unity of purpose, no mixed messages.

In other counties there tends to be a greater turnover of mentors. Fellas go in for two years and then they're gone. There's not the same level of continuity or connection.

LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION
McGONIGLE: From a county team point of view, for me the two biggest advantages Dublin have are a) they get to play most of their games in Croke Park; even at 21 Con O'Callaghan must know his way around the dressing rooms like he does his own bathroom and kitchen. And B) if you're a Dublin footballer, you're living and working in Dublin.

I did the commute down from Belfast [where he lives] or Monaghan [where he works] for the guts of five years; three years coaching the Dublin ladies, two coaching Maurs. It might have been motorway most of the way but you'd still be tired by the end of it and I wouldn't even have been physically training.

I'd often see Ryan Wylie in service stations along that road, coming the other way. By the time a boy like him or Tiernan McCann would be back in bed, it would be near midnight. For the Mayo boys it would be later again. Whereas if Jim Gavin starts training at 6.30, most of their players are back home by 9.30. To me that would be a big, big factor, that edge they have in terms of rest and recovery.

McELWEE: Everyone thinks 'Oh, they're only half an hour away from training.' It takes an hour to get across the M50!

25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
When I finished my time with the Dublin U21s [the 2017 All-Ireland], we were still always begging for places to train, borrowing pitches off clubs. You could end up not training until nine o'clock, waiting for a club team to finish training, so you could borrow the use of their lights. So not everything was straightforward.

Should Dublin have a centre of excellence? Of course they should. Almost every other county in Ireland has. But at the same time that was part of building the grit. When you could be out in St Anne's in the snow and sleet on the side of a mountain because their club was kind enough to facilitate you. You mightn't get back home until 11.30 yet you'd see the boys out there and there wouldn't be a complaint.

McGONIGLE: I'd love to see a breakdown of what each county is having to spend on travelling expenses of players and management. I'd say compared to a Mayo, Donegal and Galway, Dublin's are minimal because all their players are living local.

Even, say, with a Cork where most players are based in the county, there was a video the other day on social media of the commute Niamh Cotter, Áine O'Sullivan and Clare O'Shea have to make from the Beara peninsula for county training. That's near a five-hour round-trip. Whereas for James McCarthy to breeze in from Ballymun into DCU, that's no distance.

To be fair to Dublin, they'd also be paying minimal expenses on their management teams, whereas a county like Wicklow, bringing in a John Evans from Killorglin, it wouldn't.

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GAMES, GAMES, GAMES
McDONALD: When I first came to Dublin in the '90s, one of the big criticisms was that you didn't know from week to week when you had a game. And games were being called off willy-nilly. So people would always point to soccer where they had a programme of games laid out at the start of the year and by and large they stuck to it. So around then they [Dublin GAA] put in a full-time person to look at games programme.

The result is now that teams are guaranteed a minimum of 16 to 18 games. In football alone. This is a dual county, so it's football one week, hurling the next. I think that's been a huge factor in the improvement in Dublin football. It's very difficult to get a game called off.

Even without the county players, the league is still competitive. They aren't meaningless games. You don't want to get relegated. You're out to get quality games to develop the next generation of player.

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SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS: IF YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU CAN BE IT
McGONIGLE: Ten years ago when the Dublin ladies lost an All-Ireland final to Cork by a point, Dublin LGFA had just 6,000 registered members. By 2018 it had 17,000. So that's more than a growth of 1,000 members a year. That's phenomenal. And that comes from visibility. There's a picture of Lauren Magee and Aoife Kane at the 2010 final [when Dublin beat Tyrone]. And the main driver has been Dublin being in every final since 2014. Like, if Dublin aren't in the final, there's not a chance of the attendance record being broken.

Now every young girl and guy wants to play for Dublin. Girls can see Noelle [Healy] and Lyndsey [Davey] with the cup on the AIG billboard out by Citywest. You have management, players and county board pointing in the same direction. You've stability.

In Monaghan, Caoimhe Mohan was the poster girl, an All-Star in 2013 at just 20. Left foot, right foot, she had it all. She's not playing county football anymore. Since I left in 2013, they've had five different managers. Whereas in that time Dublin have had just two.

People don't like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren't right at the top and there's a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance.

THE FUTURE: A LOT DONE, MORE TO DO
McELWEE: It's not Dublin's fault that they are where they are. That's the challenge for all other counties, to come up to that level. And that level is achievable because of the talent in other counties. The work Kerry have been doing at underage is phenomenal; they're going to win All-Irelands again. Galway have loads of good footballers. Mayo, Tyrone, those counties aren't going to go away. Cork are going to come back strong. Dublin's dominance will end.

McGONIGLE: You go through the Dublin team of the last decade, most of those players would have been playing GAA anyway with their family backgrounds. The funding factor might only be kicking in now. So it has to be rolled out to more counties. But it's up to clubs and counties to be proactive. In Dungiven we've appointed a full-time coaching officer. Instead of spending thousands on an outsider to take the senior team, invest in a coaching officer to produce your next Ciaran Archer.

McDONALD: Dublin has shown that investing in people works. It gets the numbers in, the quality up, builds strong clubs. And from strong clubs you build strong county teams. You can't just build strong county teams and neglect the clubs. I was working out in Cuala when Tony Bass secured some funding to develop the game out there back in the late '90s. Those two All-Ireland wins weren't an overnight success.

So if you start now, you've to remember it is going to take 10, 15 years for it to really show.

Very interesting article on Dublin's GDO structures. I see Gregory McGonigle says its factor, any Dubs prepared to argue against the funding making a difference now. He of course recognises all the other advantages too.
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Post by: TheGreatest on August 13, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on August 12, 2019, 05:02:15 PM
Don't forget that the doping has not just improved their senior footballers, it's across the board, have a look:


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Thanks for sharing, a great achievment by Dublin, they should be applauded.

I might get that framed and hopefully it continues to grow.

And achieving all that with being underfunded.
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Post by: TheGreatest on August 13, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/paul-keane/analyst-claims-dubs-actually-being-underfunded-939277.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2019, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 13, 2019, 02:39:35 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html)

QuoteYou won't find them on the Hill today. They don't chant You Boys in Blue – though some of their children will. They don't enquire 'what's the jackanory', and they don't tweet vitriol any time whenever Dublin's funding is mentioned in the media. Because they're not Dubs. They're culchies, nordies, blow-ins.

Yet Dublin made them, and they've helped make Dublin, the dominant force in both the men's and women's game. Which probably makes them best placed to explain the phenomenon that is Dublin football. Because they're not one of the natives, they'll more readily acknowledge any inherent advantages unique to the capital, just as they can spot and appreciate something Dublin are doing that the rest of the country aren't.


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Paraic McDonald gives both a smile and a name to the faceless acronym you keep hearing about: the GDO.

A native of Castleblaney reared on the heroics of Nudie Hughes and Eamonn McEneaney, he helped the Faughs to a further seven county championships and an Ulster club title before falling in with Kilmacud Crokes upon arriving in the big smoke in 1997 as one of the first batch of games development officers recruited from the country.

Over the decades he has served on multiple county underage coaching tickets, as well as operating out in Crokes where he is now their full-time coaching director.

Gregory McGonigle is someone else well versed in both Monaghan and Dublin football. Although he hails from Dungiven, he emerged as one of the leading coaches in the women's game by steering Monaghan to a couple of All-Ireland finals and a national league title.

He then took over a Dublin team that for three consecutive years had failed to get beyond the All-Ireland quarter-final round and duly led them to three straight finals, albeit all single-score defeats to Cork. Since passing the baton on to Mick Bohan, he has coached the Dublin minor ladies as well as a men's club team, St Maurs, featuring U20 starlet Ciaran Archer.


Kilmacud Crokes coaching director Paraic McDonald
Kilmacud Crokes coaching director Paraic McDonald
Philip McElwee is another Derry man who knows the quiet fields of north county Dublin. He's been based there 40 years now, ever since coming straight out of the Ranch training college in Belfast. For six years he'd continuously traverse the border to keep playing county football for Derry before the hassle of it wore him down.

As he was living in Drumcondra, he and his kids would gravitate to Na Fianna where he'd manage the club to minor county titles, piquing the interest and respect of one of the club's most famous sons. After a 15-year senior inter-county career, Dessie Farrell was looking to give something back to the blue jersey and for someone to help him coaching a Dublin U14 development squad featuring the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Jack McCaffrey.

Over the years they'd win All Ireland minor and U21 finals together, Farrell as manager and McElwee as one of his trusted selectors. McElwee then managed the Na Fianna seniors for two years before stepping aside last autumn due to a restrictive hip, allowing Farrell to take the reins. "My time has now passed," he smiles, nearly peering over his glasses. "I've given it my shot."

He's seen it all in that time. He can remember Dublin in the rare auld losing days and he got to see how the perpetual winning blue machine was assembled, having been part of the pit crew himself.

So how was it put together? How has a sleeping, dormant giant awaken to terrorise and dominate all around them? Any chance they'll dose off again? We'll hand it over to our three friends from the country to tell you the real jackanory.

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'A PERFECT STORM': THE COACHING OF THE COACHES

McELWEE: I think what happened was something of a perfect storm, if you will. A lot of clubs started to get their act together and put in a big shift in their nurseries and juvenile sections. They began to coach the coaches so the skills were being coached correctly and that there'd be a unity of purpose running right throughout the club. Then you had the GPOs coming and helping that.

Which happened first? The GPOs or the clubs upping their game? It was nearly the two of them coming together.

McDONALD: The summer of '95, I was playing football in Chicago for St Brendan's. Kieran McGeeney and Niall Buckley would have been playing with us as well. It was my first introduction to weight training – lugging timber all around the sites. Pat McEnaney was out there refereeing and had said to someone at home, 'This boy is flying.' 'Blaney hadn't won a championship in four years so I was flown home. We ended up winning the county and having a run in Ulster by which time Chicago was shutting down for the winter, so I was stuck at home, looking for something to do.

I started coaching in the local primary school, then got involved with the Monaghan county board through a FÁS scheme, and signed up to study Applied Sports Management in UCD. Near the end of the course a job as a games development officer came up with the Dublin county board.

There were eight or nine of us starting out. You'd have had the likes of [former Dublin ladies player] Christina McGinty, Niamh Leahy. Vinny Murphy and Paul Curran were just finishing up.

The job was to increase the numbers and improve the quality of players. I was based on the southside, covering nine clubs, the likes of St Jude's, Ballyboden, Thomas Davis, St Mark's, St Killian's, St Kevin's. It would have been difficult, trying to work the club-school relationship when you were trying to cover that many clubs. I'd say 65 percent of my time back then would have been in the schools whereas now it would be 75 percent with the club [Kilmacud].

Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two. These days I'd be employed by the club, not the county board, while Niall [Corcoran, Kilmacud's hurling officer] is funded through the GDO scheme, which is half-funded by the board and half-funded by the club.


McGONIGLE: To say the [games development] funding hasn't been a contributing factor would be wrong. But the population base is the big advantage. For every good GDO like a Paraic McDonald, you can have a bad GDO. For me, it's a numbers game. I remember once hearing that Russian boxing only needs one in 10,000 to become a world contender whereas Ireland needs one in every five. For a Derry or Monaghan to have a good county team, you need every club to produce a county player. In Dublin it only has to be one in every three clubs.

Maurs to me are more like a rural club. Yet they've brought through a Ciaran Reddin. If Conor Maguire was in Monaghan he'd be on their county panel. And now you have a Ciaran Archer.

My two years with Maurs, he was the first man there and last man to leave, all the time with a bag of footballs. The weekend Conor McManus kicked that wonder point up in Omagh out by the sideline, Ciaran kicked a better point for us against St Brigid's in a league match out in Rush. Our video analyst had it clipped and everything but we decided not to put it up on social media, that he didn't need to be put on a pedestal at that stage.

That score wasn't the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game.

And having good management teams at the top like Jim Gavin's or Pat Gilroy's helps. When you have success, everyone aspires. In the late '90s, early '00s, did everyone want to play for Dublin?

McDONALD: The development squads would have started in '98. I remember sitting around the same table as Kevin Heffernan who was chairing the steering group to help get them up and running. At the time we would have been well behind the likes of Laois who would have had Sean Dempsey bringing through the Beano [McDonald] teams.

The first U14 squad, [former Dublin senior manager] Gerry McCaul was the manager, Mick Bohan was involved, as was myself and a guy called John Nolan. Bryan Cullen would have been one of the 50 players on that panel. At 17 Gerry stepped away and Mick was manager for their last year at minor. Longford knocked us out in a Leinster semi-final.

I went back the following year to an U15 development squad. And if you were to compare the quality of player coming through then to the U13s now, the difference is night and day. Kids were coming into us without the basic skills. They were kick-passing a five-yard pass instead of hand-passing it but their instinct was to kick it along the ground. So they obviously hadn't been exposed to any level of coaching.


I look now at U14 football in Dublin and the standard of football in the county is phenomenal. The level of individual skill the players have, the level of coaching teams, it's incomparable to the late '90s, early '00s. And a big reason why is obviously the GDO system going into Dublin.

McGONIGLE: It should be available to everybody. There's enough money in the GAA to make it happen and self-sustainable. You could give other counties more and if needs be give Dublin a bit less.

McDONALD: A huge emphasis went on in Dublin into the club nurseries. In Kilmacud we could have 100 kids coming into the nursery every year. And we are lucky that it's very parent-led. It's not like a Castleblaney where you are relying on ex-players to come back down and take teams. In Kilmacud if we get 100 kids coming in, we get about 50 parents willing to help out.

And of those 50 parents, typically only 10 of them will have had previous GAA experience. If five of them have played hurling to any decent level, that would be doing well. The vast majority are coming from different sports or non-sporting backgrounds or different countries.

At nursery level it's all about fun and introducing general sports skills and fundamental movements. Let them throw the ball! Don't worry if it's not a [proper] handpass. We would play a lot of Olympic handball with our underage groups. It's [embedding] pass and move. Hand-and-eye coordination. Catching skills. Footwork. It's non-contact. And it's fun!

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Our aim is to bring as many through to the adult section as possible. People think Kilmacud is just about winning senior championships or All-Irelands but one of the things I'm proudest of is that recently we had the first U15 D team in Dublin. So we had four teams at U15 level; 80 or 90 of the kids that came into the nursery nearly 10 years earlier were still there.

My own role is to coach them rather than coach teams; the role of a GDO is to facilitate the volunteer, not replace the volunteer. The current chairman of the club's coaching committee would have come through the system here and I work with him.

Last month we had a meeting with the U13-18 football coaches and I'd say there was 20 people in the room. We had every age group produce a plan and so they presented it to the whole room. We'd hold regular meetings, workshops, bring in guest coaches maybe once a month. Over the years we've had the likes of the late John Morrison, Mick Bohan. Last month we had Christy O'Connor in working on hurling goalkeeping.

So, yeah, it's a lot of meetings outside training but it goes back to the Abraham Lincoln quote: 'Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe'. Without thinking about what we're going to do and discussing what's worked best in the past and what are the variables in our environment and adding best practice, we're not going to make the most of the time we have with the players.

McGONIGLE: In fairness, the standard of coaching in Dublin club football is excellent. The standard of volunteer coaching.

McDONALD: There's a real coaching culture in Dublin now, similar to what Ulster had when I was coming through, playing football. It comes back down to the quality of people you have involved.

The Dublin development squads aren't better resourced than any other in the country but I know the people involved in their current U15 and U16 squads and the level of coaching those kids are getting exposed to is phenomenal. Just the level of attention to detail, the level of individual development they're getting.

Ger Lyons is overlooking them. Again, he's a volunteer, a teacher out in Lucan, but who has coached teams out in UCD with John Divilly and won Sigersons. I would have had him out in Crokes, taking a couple of the award level-one courses. It's the environment he creates, how he makes you feel.

It was the same with the likes of Dessie Farrell before that. Pat Gilroy has to be given huge credit for taking that side of the late noughties and turning them into All-Ireland winners. What Jim Gavin has done is clearly phenomenal. But you also had someone like Dessie at underage who brought on a lot of those lads.

'CIARAN'S BALL!': DESSIE AND THE BOYS
McELWEE: As a young lad, I'd have gone to St Pat's, Maghera. Adrian McGuckin would have coached us. The work he did was phenomenal. He went beyond the call of duty. He made you believe you could do anything. And you could see that in the [Derry] team that won the '93 All-Ireland. He'd engendered this belief and this loyalty to one another that is needed to get to the top.

Dessie did something similar with a lot of the current Dublin team. Traditionally in Dublin underage football, there would have been no great unity. It would have been very individualistic, with lads coming from different schools. Dessie broke that down over time.

But even going back to when those lads were 13, 14, you could see the likes of Jack [McCaffrey] and Ciaran [Kilkenny] were serious players. They had the skills. Both feet. Both hands. And they wanted to learn.

A lot of it was about empowering them to take responsibility. They'd all call 'My ball'. As in, if Davy Byrne was going for a ball, he'd be calling, 'Davy's ball!' You'd put your name to it. So everyone knew you were going for that ball. 'Ciaran's ball!' 'Jack's ball!' Everybody was responsible in their own line. And it meant we had less to correct. They'd be directing things themselves on the field, directing each other.

So, say, I'd track somebody. I would shout, 'Ciaran, I've [number] 14!' So you'd trust me. 'He's looking after him so I'll look after the man coming here now.' They came to trust one another to do the deed that was required at that moment. I might have come out of defence to create an overlap but I would trust that you were going to stay and drop into my position and not hang me out. 'Scully, come on, cover, cover!' And if you look at them, they all play with their head up. You get the ball, the head is up. [Niall] Scully, he'll knock a 45-metre ball off his foot on a plate for you. The unselfishness of him.

McDONALD: When I first came down here, it would always have been said that the most talented kids in Dublin were primarily playing soccer. I don't think that's the case anymore. People can now see a pathway with Dublin GAA.

Paul Mannion could have been a top-class soccer player, playing League of Ireland or even across the water. At 15, 16, he was heading across to the northside two or three times a week to play with Belvedere, a big commitment. He made an Irish schools team. But at the same time Dessie Farrell got him involved with a development squad and clearly Paul responded to that.

McELWEE: Dessie would be very much into listening to the players. And he always got them to challenge themselves. He'd set it up where they'd come in for a huddle and we'd leave them for two minutes. 'Right, sort that out, lads.' They would have come up with the keywords and phrases. It wouldn't have been from management.

There would have been very little shouting or roaring. It was about them developing so they'd be able to execute under pressure. We'd have very intense internal games where whenever you'd be absolutely exhausted, you had be able to make a decision and execute the skill. So it became second nature in matches because you would have already done it in internal games.

Say if you lost the cumulative score of three internal games. You'd have to stay back for five minutes to do some exercises or just to reflect. It wasn't so much a punishment but reflection time. 'Right, why are we here when the other boys are getting showered? We had as good a chance as they had and we made wrong decisions. The next night, let's make sure we're not the group kept behind.'

I don't know if in other counties the coaches stay that long. We were with that group right from U14 up to U21. That's a long time of consistent development. And we worked so well together. Different people would come in alright at different stages. Noel McCaffrey would have been involved with north U14 development squads right up to the first minor All-Ireland final [2011] team. Same with [Alan] 'Nipper' McNally. Mick Galvin came in at U21, straight from the same school as Dessie. So there was a unity of purpose, no mixed messages.

In other counties there tends to be a greater turnover of mentors. Fellas go in for two years and then they're gone. There's not the same level of continuity or connection.

LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION
McGONIGLE: From a county team point of view, for me the two biggest advantages Dublin have are a) they get to play most of their games in Croke Park; even at 21 Con O'Callaghan must know his way around the dressing rooms like he does his own bathroom and kitchen. And B) if you're a Dublin footballer, you're living and working in Dublin.

I did the commute down from Belfast [where he lives] or Monaghan [where he works] for the guts of five years; three years coaching the Dublin ladies, two coaching Maurs. It might have been motorway most of the way but you'd still be tired by the end of it and I wouldn't even have been physically training.

I'd often see Ryan Wylie in service stations along that road, coming the other way. By the time a boy like him or Tiernan McCann would be back in bed, it would be near midnight. For the Mayo boys it would be later again. Whereas if Jim Gavin starts training at 6.30, most of their players are back home by 9.30. To me that would be a big, big factor, that edge they have in terms of rest and recovery.

McELWEE: Everyone thinks 'Oh, they're only half an hour away from training.' It takes an hour to get across the M50!

25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
When I finished my time with the Dublin U21s [the 2017 All-Ireland], we were still always begging for places to train, borrowing pitches off clubs. You could end up not training until nine o'clock, waiting for a club team to finish training, so you could borrow the use of their lights. So not everything was straightforward.

Should Dublin have a centre of excellence? Of course they should. Almost every other county in Ireland has. But at the same time that was part of building the grit. When you could be out in St Anne's in the snow and sleet on the side of a mountain because their club was kind enough to facilitate you. You mightn't get back home until 11.30 yet you'd see the boys out there and there wouldn't be a complaint.

McGONIGLE: I'd love to see a breakdown of what each county is having to spend on travelling expenses of players and management. I'd say compared to a Mayo, Donegal and Galway, Dublin's are minimal because all their players are living local.

Even, say, with a Cork where most players are based in the county, there was a video the other day on social media of the commute Niamh Cotter, Áine O'Sullivan and Clare O'Shea have to make from the Beara peninsula for county training. That's near a five-hour round-trip. Whereas for James McCarthy to breeze in from Ballymun into DCU, that's no distance.

To be fair to Dublin, they'd also be paying minimal expenses on their management teams, whereas a county like Wicklow, bringing in a John Evans from Killorglin, it wouldn't.

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GAMES, GAMES, GAMES
McDONALD: When I first came to Dublin in the '90s, one of the big criticisms was that you didn't know from week to week when you had a game. And games were being called off willy-nilly. So people would always point to soccer where they had a programme of games laid out at the start of the year and by and large they stuck to it. So around then they [Dublin GAA] put in a full-time person to look at games programme.

The result is now that teams are guaranteed a minimum of 16 to 18 games. In football alone. This is a dual county, so it's football one week, hurling the next. I think that's been a huge factor in the improvement in Dublin football. It's very difficult to get a game called off.

Even without the county players, the league is still competitive. They aren't meaningless games. You don't want to get relegated. You're out to get quality games to develop the next generation of player.

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SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS: IF YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU CAN BE IT
McGONIGLE: Ten years ago when the Dublin ladies lost an All-Ireland final to Cork by a point, Dublin LGFA had just 6,000 registered members. By 2018 it had 17,000. So that's more than a growth of 1,000 members a year. That's phenomenal. And that comes from visibility. There's a picture of Lauren Magee and Aoife Kane at the 2010 final [when Dublin beat Tyrone]. And the main driver has been Dublin being in every final since 2014. Like, if Dublin aren't in the final, there's not a chance of the attendance record being broken.

Now every young girl and guy wants to play for Dublin. Girls can see Noelle [Healy] and Lyndsey [Davey] with the cup on the AIG billboard out by Citywest. You have management, players and county board pointing in the same direction. You've stability.

In Monaghan, Caoimhe Mohan was the poster girl, an All-Star in 2013 at just 20. Left foot, right foot, she had it all. She's not playing county football anymore. Since I left in 2013, they've had five different managers. Whereas in that time Dublin have had just two.

People don't like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren't right at the top and there's a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance.

THE FUTURE: A LOT DONE, MORE TO DO
McELWEE: It's not Dublin's fault that they are where they are. That's the challenge for all other counties, to come up to that level. And that level is achievable because of the talent in other counties. The work Kerry have been doing at underage is phenomenal; they're going to win All-Irelands again. Galway have loads of good footballers. Mayo, Tyrone, those counties aren't going to go away. Cork are going to come back strong. Dublin's dominance will end.

McGONIGLE: You go through the Dublin team of the last decade, most of those players would have been playing GAA anyway with their family backgrounds. The funding factor might only be kicking in now. So it has to be rolled out to more counties. But it's up to clubs and counties to be proactive. In Dungiven we've appointed a full-time coaching officer. Instead of spending thousands on an outsider to take the senior team, invest in a coaching officer to produce your next Ciaran Archer.

McDONALD: Dublin has shown that investing in people works. It gets the numbers in, the quality up, builds strong clubs. And from strong clubs you build strong county teams. You can't just build strong county teams and neglect the clubs. I was working out in Cuala when Tony Bass secured some funding to develop the game out there back in the late '90s. Those two All-Ireland wins weren't an overnight success.

So if you start now, you've to remember it is going to take 10, 15 years for it to really show.

Very interesting article on Dublin's GDO structures. I see Gregory McGonigle says its factor, any Dubs prepared to argue against the funding making a difference now. He of course recognises all the other advantages too.
I think that leveraging the population is as important as the money but that it doesn't get the attention.
The 6 nations is similar to the GAA - England has a far bigger rugby playing population than the other 5 . If England ever got organised they would win everything all the time
Sport without competition is of no interest to spectators.

The GAA need a sloppy Dublin for the all Ireland system to work. Something like 1991-95
It's hard to believe that Laois, Kildare, Meath and Westmeath won Leinsters within the last 20 years .

How to get back to that is the question. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 13, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Dublin will hardly go back to sloppy amateurishness so the obvious thing is split it into its Council areas and make it a Provibce.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 13, 2019, 04:52:42 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 13, 2019, 02:39:35 PM

Very interesting article on Dublin's GDO structures. I see Gregory McGonigle says its factor, any Dubs prepared to argue against the funding making a difference now. He of course recognises all the other advantages too.
Thanks Dinny. That's an excellent article. The facts in that are the absolute truth. The opinions we can all argue with, but great to get a balanced article with actual facts.

Kilmacud Crokes are a beast of a club, although to take them as an example of what goes on in every club in Dublin would be very wishful thinking. Pauric McDonald is obviously brilliant  at what he he does, and is money very well spent by the Kilmacud members.

To take the part-quote you did from McGonigle as the bit to bold is a little bit odd given everything else he says. Bear in mind McGonigle is sitting beside Mcdonald when he says of course GDO's play a part. But the statement he makes immediately afterwards about there being bad GDOs out there is very pointed! You can be very lucky and get someone nearly as good as McDonald, but the truth is they're few and far between. McGonigle had 3 lads in and around the Dublin scene and he knows (as I know) that GDOs had absolutely nothing to do with their development. As he said about Archer "That score wasn't the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game. "

I went to a coach the coach session run by our GDO who showed us some slides inside, and then brought us outside and did some handpassing drills with a football and a sliothar (we were all parents mainly in our 40s). And then we were on our way, al tooled up to teach the masses!

To say GDOs make zero impact to elite players at every club is clearly wrong (although they absolutely do make zero impact on elite players at some clubs), but either way it's way down the list to the real reasons why Dublin have improved so much in the last decade. As the lads said, these are the key messages:

McGONIGLE: the population base is the big advantage. For every good GDO like a Paraic McDonald, you can have a bad GDO. For a Derry or Monaghan to have a good county team, you need every club to produce a county player. In Dublin it only has to be one in every three clubs.

Maurs to me are more like a rural club. Yet they've brought through a Ciaran Reddin. If Conor Maguire was in Monaghan he'd be on their county panel. And now you have a Ciaran Archer. My two years with Maurs, he was the first man there and last man to leave, all the time with a bag of footballs. The weekend Conor McManus kicked that wonder point up in Omagh out by the sideline, Ciaran kicked a better point for us against St Brigid's in a league match out in Rush.

That score wasn't the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game.
And having good management teams at the top like Jim Gavin's or Pat Gilroy's helps. When you have success, everyone aspires. In the late '90s, early '00s, did everyone want to play for Dublin?

McDONALD: A huge emphasis went on in Dublin into the club nurseries. In Kilmacud we could have 100 kids coming into the nursery every year. And we are lucky that it's very parent-led. It's not like a Castleblaney where you are relying on ex-players to come back down and take teams. In Kilmacud if we get 100 kids coming in, we get about 50 parents willing to help out.

And of those 50 parents, typically only 10 of them will have had previous GAA experience. If five of them have played hurling to any decent level, that would be doing well. The vast majority are coming from different sports or non-sporting backgrounds or different countries.

At nursery level it's all about fun and introducing general sports skills and fundamental movements. Let them throw the ball! Don't worry if it's not a [proper] handpass. We would play a lot of Olympic handball with our underage groups. It's [embedding] pass and move. Hand-and-eye coordination. Catching skills. Footwork. It's non-contact. And it's fun!

McGONIGLE: In fairness, the standard of coaching in Dublin club football is excellent. The standard of volunteer coaching.

McDONALD: The Dublin development squads aren't better resourced than any other in the country but I know the people involved in their current U15 and U16 squads and the level of coaching those kids are getting exposed to is phenomenal. Just the level of attention to detail, the level of individual development they're getting.

Ger Lyons is overlooking them. Again, he's a volunteer, a teacher out in Lucan, but who has coached teams out in UCD with John Divilly and won Sigersons. I would have had him out in Crokes, taking a couple of the award level-one courses. It's the environment he creates, how he makes you feel.

It was the same with the likes of Dessie Farrell before that. Pat Gilroy has to be given huge credit for taking that side of the late noughties and turning them into All-Ireland winners. What Jim Gavin has done is clearly phenomenal. But you also had someone like Dessie at underage who brought on a lot of those lads.

McDONALD: When I first came down here, it would always have been said that the most talented kids in Dublin were primarily playing soccer. I don't think that's the case anymore. People can now see a pathway with Dublin GAA.

Paul Mannion could have been a top-class soccer player, playing League of Ireland or even across the water. At 15, 16, he was heading across to the northside two or three times a week to play with Belvedere, a big commitment. He made an Irish schools team. But at the same time Dessie Farrell got him involved with a development squad and clearly Paul responded to that.

McELWEE: I don't know if in other counties the coaches stay that long. We were with that group right from U14 up to U21. That's a long time of consistent development. And we worked so well together. Different people would come in alright at different stages. Noel McCaffrey would have been involved with north U14 development squads right up to the first minor All-Ireland final [2011] team. Same with [Alan] 'Nipper' McNally. Mick Galvin came in at U21, straight from the same school as Dessie. So there was a unity of purpose, no mixed messages.

McGONIGLE: From a county team point of view, for me the two biggest advantages Dublin have are a) they get to play most of their games in Croke Park; even at 21 Con O'Callaghan must know his way around the dressing rooms like he does his own bathroom and kitchen. And B) if you're a Dublin footballer, you're living and working in Dublin.
I'd often see Ryan Wylie in service stations along that road, coming the other way. By the time a boy like him or Tiernan McCann would be back in bed, it would be near midnight. For the Mayo boys it would be later again. Whereas if Jim Gavin starts training at 6.30, most of their players are back home by 9.30. To me that would be a big, big factor, that edge they have in terms of rest and recovery.

Even, say, with a Cork where most players are based in the county, there was a video the other day on social media of the commute Niamh Cotter, Áine O'Sullivan and Clare O'Shea have to make from the Beara peninsula for county training. That's near a five-hour round-trip. Whereas for James McCarthy to breeze in from Ballymun into DCU, that's no distance.
To be fair to Dublin, they'd also be paying minimal expenses on their management teams, whereas a county like Wicklow, bringing in a John Evans from Killorglin, it wouldn't.

McDONALD: When I first came to Dublin in the '90s, one of the big criticisms was that you didn't know from week to week when you had a game. And games were being called off willy-nilly. So people would always point to soccer where they had a programme of games laid out at the start of the year and by and large they stuck to it. So around then they [Dublin GAA] put in a full-time person to look at games programme.

The result is now that teams are guaranteed a minimum of 16 to 18 games. In football alone. This is a dual county, so it's football one week, hurling the next. I think that's been a huge factor in the improvement in Dublin football. It's very difficult to get a game called off.

Even without the county players, the league is still competitive. They aren't meaningless games. You don't want to get relegated. You're out to get quality games to develop the next generation of player.

McGONIGLE: In Monaghan, Caoimhe Mohan was the poster girl, an All-Star in 2013 at just 20. Left foot, right foot, she had it all. She's not playing county football anymore. Since I left in 2013, they've had five different managers. Whereas in that time Dublin have had just two.

People don't like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren't right at the top and there's a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance.

McELWEE: It's not Dublin's fault that they are where they are. That's the challenge for all other counties, to come up to that level. And that level is achievable because of the talent in other counties. The work Kerry have been doing at underage is phenomenal; they're going to win All-Irelands again. Galway have loads of good footballers. Mayo, Tyrone, those counties aren't going to go away. Cork are going to come back strong. Dublin's dominance will end.

McGONIGLE: You go through the Dublin team of the last decade, most of those players would have been playing GAA anyway with their family backgrounds. The funding factor might only be kicking in now. So it has to be rolled out to more counties. But it's up to clubs and counties to be proactive. In Dungiven we've appointed a full-time coaching officer. Instead of spending thousands on an outsider to take the senior team, invest in a coaching officer to produce your next Ciaran Archer.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Falcao on August 13, 2019, 04:54:40 PM
That is a good balanced article, some good information. I'm sure McGonigle would also agree that the games development funding is also having a positive impact for other counties as well, seeing as Dublin receive approx 18% of the total GDF funds each year.

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McGONIGLE: To say the [games development] funding hasn't been a contributing factor would be wrong. But the population base is the big advantage. For every good GDO like a Paraic McDonald, you can have a bad GDO. For me, it's a numbers game. I remember once hearing that Russian boxing only needs one in 10,000 to become a world contender whereas Ireland needs one in every five. For a Derry or Monaghan to have a good county team, you need every club to produce a county player. In Dublin it only has to be one in every three clubs.

Maurs to me are more like a rural club. Yet they've brought through a Ciaran Reddin. If Conor Maguire was in Monaghan he'd be on their county panel. And now you have a Ciaran Archer.

My two years with Maurs, he was the first man there and last man to leave, all the time with a bag of footballs. The weekend Conor McManus kicked that wonder point up in Omagh out by the sideline, Ciaran kicked a better point for us against St Brigid's in a league match out in Rush. Our video analyst had it clipped and everything but we decided not to put it up on social media, that he didn't need to be put on a pedestal at that stage.

That score wasn't the product of a GDO or an AIG or any culture I created. He just has a work ethic, a willingness to learn and a love of the game.

And having good management teams at the top like Jim Gavin's or Pat Gilroy's helps. When you have success, everyone aspires. In the late '90s, early '00s, did everyone want to play for Dublin?

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McDONALD: The development squads would have started in '98. I remember sitting around the same table as Kevin Heffernan who was chairing the steering group to help get them up and running. At the time we would have been well behind the likes of Laois who would have had Sean Dempsey bringing through the Beano [McDonald] teams.

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McDONALD: A huge emphasis went on in Dublin into the club nurseries. In Kilmacud we could have 100 kids coming into the nursery every year. And we are lucky that it's very parent-led. It's not like a Castleblaney where you are relying on ex-players to come back down and take teams. In Kilmacud if we get 100 kids coming in, we get about 50 parents willing to help out.

And of those 50 parents, typically only 10 of them will have had previous GAA experience. If five of them have played hurling to any decent level, that would be doing well. The vast majority are coming from different sports or non-sporting backgrounds or different countries.

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McDONALD: There's a real coaching culture in Dublin now, similar to what Ulster had when I was coming through, playing football. It comes back down to the quality of people you have involved.

The Dublin development squads aren't better resourced than any other in the country but I know the people involved in their current U15 and U16 squads and the level of coaching those kids are getting exposed to is phenomenal. Just the level of attention to detail, the level of individual development they're getting.

Ger Lyons is overlooking them. Again, he's a volunteer, a teacher out in Lucan, but who has coached teams out in UCD with John Divilly and won Sigersons. I would have had him out in Crokes, taking a couple of the award level-one courses. It's the environment he creates, how he makes you feel.

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McELWEE: Everyone thinks 'Oh, they're only half an hour away from training.' It takes an hour to get across the M50!

25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
25 September 2016; Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle during the Ladies Football All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final match between Cork and Dublin at Croke Park in Dublin. Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
When I finished my time with the Dublin U21s [the 2017 All-Ireland], we were still always begging for places to train, borrowing pitches off clubs. You could end up not training until nine o'clock, waiting for a club team to finish training, so you could borrow the use of their lights. So not everything was straightforward.

Should Dublin have a centre of excellence? Of course they should. Almost every other county in Ireland has. But at the same time that was part of building the grit. When you could be out in St Anne's in the snow and sleet on the side of a mountain because their club was kind enough to facilitate you. You mightn't get back home until 11.30 yet you'd see the boys out there and there wouldn't be a complaint.

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People don't like to admit it but other counties are being mismanaged. The financial mismanagement in Galway has been widely reported. Derry have appointed three treasurers in four years. Kerry ladies football has loads of good players but the structures aren't right at the top and there's a lot of internal fighting. Dublin are an example of good governance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2019, 05:04:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 13, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Dublin will hardly go back to sloppy amateurishness so the obvious thing is split it into its Council areas and make it a Provibce.
the Irish for province is cúige which means there used to be 5 of them so Dublin as a 5th province would be nothing new
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 13, 2019, 05:20:47 PM
It used to be Meath!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 16, 2019, 09:21:20 AM
The reason for problems and turnover in county officers in most other counties is that the officers spend their time trying to fundraise or balance the books
Fundraising is a full time, year round operation just to keep going

Dublin don't have that issue
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 12:16:16 AM
Great to see this one in a generation team get to a final again today and begin to dominate.

First we have a one in a generation mens team now the ladies.

Feck the volunteers in Dublin must be dynamite!

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on August 26, 2019, 07:26:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 12:16:16 AM
Great to see this one in a generation team get to a final again today and begin to dominate.

First we have a one in a generation mens team now the ladies.

Feck the volunteers in Dublin must be dynamite!

What about the hurlers, the u20s and the u17s? They mustn't be getting any money.  The hurlers won leinster in 2013 and should've kicked on if money was the magic bullet.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
Hurling is a minority game in Dublin.
For 50 years or more Dublin hurlers were about the same level as Antrim or Laois till this decade.
They've won Leinster Senior, u21 and Minor titles and a NHL this decade do the extra €€€€s have obviously helped.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2019, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
Hurling is a minority game in Dublin.
For 50 years or more Dublin hurlers were about the same level as Antrim or Laois till this decade.
They've won Leinster Senior, u21 and Minor titles and a NHL this decade do the extra €€€€s have obviously helped.

Exactly. Plus a fair few good hurlers opt for the football because of this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 26, 2019, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
Hurling is a minority game in Dublin.
For 50 years or more Dublin hurlers were about the same level as Antrim or Laois till this decade.
They've won Leinster Senior, u21 and Minor titles and a NHL this decade do the extra €€€€s have obviously helped.

A concerted effort in almost every club to give hurling an equal footing. I never picked up a hurl at my club when I played. Now it's given equal treatment at the start.
Creates a lot of political unrest in many clubs, with all these culchies demanding equal rights!

With our population, success won't be far away. We were sent back a good 3 or 4 years through the incompetence of Ger Cunningham and we need a couple of stars to come along, but we're not that far away from the top table.

I know people love the red herring of the games development funding, so it's pointless debating.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
Red herring
Coincidence
C'mon Longford volunteers pull up ye're socks!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on August 26, 2019, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
Red herring
Coincidence
C'mon Longford volunteers pull up ye're socks!!
Have Longford got a big population they've been hiding, or are you just talking mindless nonsense?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2019, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
Red herring
Coincidence
C'mon Longford volunteers pull up ye're socks!!
Have Longford got a big population they've been hiding, or are you just talking mindless nonsense?

What has population got to do with it? Bringing in population is like counting the number of buses!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 30, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/a-county-chairman-bertie-ahern-and-a-grand-plan-the-inside-story-of-how-gaelic-football-changed-forever-38450469.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
They might as well let them go straight to the Final

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-dublin-could-play-one-less-championship-game-in-2020-38472464.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trailer on September 06, 2019, 12:22:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 26, 2019, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2019, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
Red herring
Coincidence
C'mon Longford volunteers pull up ye're socks!!
Have Longford got a big population they've been hiding, or are you just talking mindless nonsense?

What has population got to do with it? Bringing in population is like counting the number of buses!

Dublin has more buses.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 06, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Leinster Council made up of some quare hawks

Took them ages to get Dublin out of Croke Park, because of lost money
Then, when they did, they wouldn't let Dublin play in grounds below a certain capacity, because of lost money

Now they don't want them to play a quarter-final at all?

Why not leave them in and make them play in their opponent's home venue, regardless of size?

Or maybe make us play with 14 men every game  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 06, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
They might as well let them go straight to the Final

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-dublin-could-play-one-less-championship-game-in-2020-38472464.html

Finally gettign the same advantage Kerry and Cork have had since the inception of the GAA.

Kerry played 2 hard matches a year to win most AIs.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on September 06, 2019, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 06, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
They might as well let them go straight to the Final

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/why-dublin-could-play-one-less-championship-game-in-2020-38472464.html

Finally gettign the same advantage Kerry and Cork have had since the inception of the GAA.

Kerry played 2 hard matches a year to win most AIs.

Correct - that was a definite unfair advantage they had over other counties.

Imagine how bad it would have been if the GAA had also been pumping money into them as well.

None of this is Dublins fault in any shape or form and are doing well to say nothing. The GAA have no shame
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 04:37:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/a-county-chairman-bertie-ahern-and-a-grand-plan-the-inside-story-of-how-gaelic-football-changed-forever-38450469.html
You silly boy, that article is hidden behind a paywall! ;D
I think it is a very interesting read and well worth taking the trouble to do so.
Here it is:


A County Chairman, Bertie Ahern and a grand plan - The inside story of how Gaelic football changed forever

In the end, John Bailey never got to see Dublin getting their hands on an All-Ireland for a fifth year in succession.
After a lifetime of striving to improve his home patch, he got damn close but fell short.
In July, days before his county easily picked apart Cork in the sort of game that might have posed problems not long ago, he died at the age of 74. There's added tragedy in that as, for all the names thrown out as being a cornerstone of and key to this historic achievement, he's the oft-forgotten architect of so much of it.
Thankfully we managed to speak before his passing, and before an important chunk of history disappeared with him. During the conversation, he recalled moments during his tenure as county board chairman that made him realise they were missing a trick.
For instance, after the legendary 1991 saga with Meath that was the biggest draw going, it earned them "just £4,000 a game in sponsorship". So he got on the blower to Arnotts. He remembered other struggles as well, like when he decided an antiquated Parnell Park needed a makeover. Meeting builders one November day, he told them he'd no cash, yet by Christmas he'd pay them. Soon after he and Minister for Finance Bertie Ahern were turning ground when word came through that Dick Spring had pulled the plug.
But most of all he smiled at a time in 2002 when the walls came tumbling down.
"The structures and coaching were a weakness," he noted. "Bertie Ahern was Taoiseach by then - he always helped us in any and all ways he could - so we went to him and said we need €2m to pay 100 coaches but I said I'd give him it back. He looked puzzled. 'How will you do that?'"
So he confidently replied to Ahern that he'd take people off the dole, pay them €45,000, the government would get 20 per cent back in tax, and 22 per cent PRSI between employer and employee. "That was it. They subsidised all these coaches."
In the end, John Bailey never got to see Dublin getting their hands on an All-Ireland for a fifth year in succession.
After a lifetime of striving to improve his home patch, he got damn close but fell short.
While either naivety or stupidity have long pushed the idea that sport and politics don't mix, the likes of Bertie Ahern and John Bailey saw it very differently.
Their combining of powers and positions initially started out as relatively small beer, something that would shape the landscape in Dublin alone. The former Taoiseach notes that, as the starting point of such evolution, and way before radical revolution, Parnell Park needed serious work. Far beyond aesthetics though it gave the county a centralised location and a suitable, fit-for-purpose place to work together.
"We got grants," Ahern says. "Some tried to say it was separate but it was open to anyone and obviously I advised and helped out. Nothing underhand and it allowed the whole Dublin scene into one space. Senior, junior, juvenile, clubs, the lot."
Soon however the two men got together again and the GAA was shifted from its axis.
For some time, Bailey had been wondering about how to drag Dublin from the past and, not so much into the present, but off into the future.
"So John came to me and talked about the sprawling suburbs and how we had to grow the club scene," continues Ahern.
"They needed help as the infrastructure and facilities just weren't there to see them reach their massive potential. There was no grand scheme that could fit that bill, so we designed one to try and develop coaches and link coaches to schools, schools to clubs, clubs to communities, and communities to parishes. A bit like it was done in rural Ireland, only re-invented into a new scheme to fit Dublin. We had to get clubs to buy into that and what we did is today what you see in Cuala, Kilamcud, Ballyboden, Na Fianna."
First it needed finance to come to life. Bailey quipped to me that "John O'Donoghue was Minister for Sport. He didn't exactly receive me with open arms. A Kerry man, so he wouldn't be biased, he'd be blinkered instead."
Crucially though, there were Dubs in the Dáil. And none were better placed than Ahern.
As Seán Kelly adds, "When it came to Bailey's plan, his door was open without knocking."
However if doors in Leinster House were open, so were those in Croke Park.
Seán Kelly became president of the GAA in 2003, a year before the money finally gushed from the tap.
In that realm, one conversation has long stood out in his memory.
It was Seán McCague that was passing the baton on to him, and he pulled him aside one day with a few words of advice.
"He told me about the committee regarding Dublin's future, and that it was going nowhere unless I was going to chair it. I said the GAA president never chairs a committee, never mind one set-up for a single county. But he kept pushing that idea and really wanted this to work out so I said I'd take a look at it and eventually agreed. In the end myself and John Bailey actually co-chaired it, or at least he had that title as being on top of the Dublin County Board, you wouldn't exactly be pushing him aside on such a matter."
While many of Quinn's recommendations had been thrown to the trash by that stage, one phrase from his report was not only kept but frequently used in the dialogue at those meetings. It was that of "market share" in Dublin. There was worry about threats from other sports and the idea pushed was that the GAA needed to be strong there. The game had to defend its turf and grow too.
That cost money. And everyone would pay.
It was one of the few areas they agreed on initially for elsewhere there was strife. Around how to spend it, and who to spend it on.
"Bailey and those did the ground work to be fair," says Kelly, "and a fella called Kevin O'Shaughnessy - he was well regarded and had a good business background - was recommended as someone that could lead the coaching. And under Kevin there was a very clear and definite plan drawn up and we went to government and with Bertie, well, he couldn't have been more supportive. Central Council were positive, with a few concerned about the amount they were getting. Leinster were mostly positive. That brought about finance and it's continued since. Looking back, special congress wrote off the split so we just continued on with the money aspect."
In the eight seasons before Dublin's funding, they along with Westmeath, Laois, Kildare, Meath and Offaly had won provincial titles, meaning half of Leinster were doing things right and the game was booming. Little did they know the end of an era was upon them.
The stars had aligned. A blue wave was forming.
It's hard to shirk the feeling today that such an expansion brought down the Roman Empire.
In his thought-provoking masterpiece The Zero Theorem, Terry Gillian poses the premise of how everything can amount to nothing.
The sporting answer perhaps lies here.
Fifteen years on from Bailey getting both his way and his dream, and the drive-for-five feels more akin to a stroll around the block.
Of the team that won out in the 2015 final, only six started this semi-final. That means that in the space of a mere four campaigns, already the best side out there have been able to replace 60 per cent of their players and by doing so are winning by more and more as we've reached a 14.8 points per game average margin. On top of that, while the under-20/21 football championship has been going since 1964, four of Dublin's five wins have come since 2010 and they were close to doing it again in 2019.
Does that sound competitive?
Does that sound natural?
Does that sounds cyclical?
Does that sound sustainable?
That's up to you.
We also know as a matter of record the finance that coincided with this. According to those within the Irish Sports Council, between 2005 and 2009, a total of €5m was made available to Dublin via the taxpayer for games development projects. Meanwhile breakdowns have shown that between 2007 and 2017, in terms of GAA development funding, while Kerry received €730,881, Dublin were handed over €16,612,845. As context regarding the rest, Cork were second on that list getting €1,185,267.
This money is aimed at increasing underage participation and increasing skill-sets. What it's meant is that while Dublin have been able to direct their uniquely giant sponsorship based on market size and population into elite areas up the ladder, others who get far less from commercial endorsements have to use them to pay both high up and low down. The rest also have to spend far more time and energy on fundraising, something we know Dublin don't bother with much. After all, their last leaked accounts in 2016 showed €57,336 brought in in that area, a year they made a profit despite wages totaling well of over €2m.
Again these are simply the facts. People can make up their own minds. Just as Peter Quinn did back in 2002.
Speaking in 2017 I asked him if he'd changed it. "I think they are strong enough to be split," he replied. "And right now you'd have to be concerned for the game as if there's one thing that keeps us all alive and sane it's hope. Other counties are losing it."
Some debate that notion, with Ahern himself arguing that the likes of Cork and Galway, Waterford and Limerick show that size doesn't matter.
What isn't up for debate though is this journey began with Bailey's vision and his work coming to fruition in 2004.
He may not have lived to see a likely five-in-a-row.
But 15 years , he not only made it possible, he made it largely inevitable.




Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 06, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 06, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Leinster Council made up of some quare hawks

Took them ages to get Dublin out of Croke Park, because of lost money
Then, when they did, they wouldn't let Dublin play in grounds below a certain capacity, because of lost money

Now they don't want them to play a quarter-final at all?

Why not leave them in and make them play in their opponent's home venue, regardless of size?

Or maybe make us play with 14 men every game  ;)

Dublin are apart of the Leinster council, in fact, Horan advocated this idea. I think they'd prefer Dublin away from provincial grounds because a) the crowds they bring are pathetic and b) crime rates in these towns have a major spike on the days the few thousand Dubs travel.

Also, funny you're complaining about playing with 14 men for a half, Dublin haven't competed fairly against any county since 2001.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 06, 2019, 05:20:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 06, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Leinster Council made up of some quare hawks

Took them ages to get Dublin out of Croke Park, because of lost money
Then, when they did, they wouldn't let Dublin play in grounds below a certain capacity, because of lost money

Now they don't want them to play a quarter-final at all?

Why not leave them in and make them play in their opponent's home venue, regardless of size?

Or maybe make us play with 14 men every game  ;)

Don't know what to make of this? Looks like the one Leinster  game outside Croker for the Dubs has been shelved! It looks also like a fast track to a 2nd Tier Championship.

To tell you the truth, I don't think anybody cares!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 06, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 06, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 06, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Leinster Council made up of some quare hawks

Took them ages to get Dublin out of Croke Park, because of lost money
Then, when they did, they wouldn't let Dublin play in grounds below a certain capacity, because of lost money

Now they don't want them to play a quarter-final at all?

Why not leave them in and make them play in their opponent's home venue, regardless of size?

Or maybe make us play with 14 men every game  ;)

Dublin are apart of the Leinster council, in fact, Horan advocated this idea. I think they'd prefer Dublin away from provincial grounds because a) the crowds they bring are pathetic and b) crime rates in these towns have a major spike on the days the few thousand Dubs travel.

Also, funny you're complaining about playing with 14 men for a half, Dublin haven't competed fairly against any county since 2001.

You really are an absolute prat
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldn't know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
I'm referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: FermGael on September 06, 2019, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldn't know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
I'm referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?


Peter Quinn had it spot on.
Last great president the association had before they sold their soul.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 06, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldn't know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
I'm referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
So it that typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Let's be honest here. When Offaly, Laois and Westmeath won Leinsters in that period, Leinster football was at a very big low. It was like Connacht and Ulster for most of the 70s and 80s. Shite. Still, they were the best in the province at the time and fully deserved their medals. But none of those teams came close to winning an AI semi, never mind a final.

Kildare have a long long history of underperforming. It took an excellent outside manager for them to believe in themselves, and they were quite unlucky not to win Sam IMO. They are coming again. (Personally i'll be betting on them to win Leinster next year, but only if Dubs win the replay).

Meath have been so far below par in the last near decade that it's hard to comprehend. McEntee has them at least performing to their ability, but they are missing a couple of really star players. If they get another Geraghty or Giles they could well become a permanent fixture in the S8.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 06, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 06, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldn't know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
I'm referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
So it that typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Let's be honest here. When Offaly, Laois and Westmeath won Leinsters in that period, Leinster football was at a very big low. It was like Connacht and Ulster for most of the 70s and 80s. Shite. Still, they were the best in the province at the time and fully deserved their medals. But none of those teams came close to winning an AI semi, never mind a final.

Kildare have a long long history of underperforming. It took an excellent outside manager for them to believe in themselves, and they were quite unlucky not to win Sam IMO. They are coming again. (Personally i'll be betting on them to win Leinster next year, but only if Dubs win the replay).

Meath have been so far below par in the last near decade that it's hard to comprehend. McEntee has them at least performing to their ability, but they are missing a couple of really star players. If they get another Geraghty or Giles they could well become a permanent fixture in the S8.

Is the present Dublin dominance typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gmac on September 06, 2019, 11:15:52 PM
For weaker counties the All Ireland quest is a joke Dublin and Kerry have 76 or something like that between them  wex tipp Kildare Louth  Cavan Mayo Roscommon Meath Galway Tyrone have another 40 or so between them ,most of them excluding Meath Tyrone and Galway are all early 20th century  so it's been an exclusive club for a long time long before money was an issue ,
20 counties have been pissing again the wind for a long time . There may be an anomaly every now and then but it goes back to order quickly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gmac on September 07, 2019, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2019, 11:15:52 PM
For weaker counties the All Ireland quest is a joke Dublin and Kerry have 76 or something like that between them  wex tipp Kildare Louth  Cavan Mayo Roscommon Meath Galway Tyrone have another 40 or so between them ,most of them excluding Meath Tyrone and Galway are all early 20th century  so it's been an exclusive club for a long time long before money was an issue ,
20 counties have been pissing again the wind for a long time . There may be an anomaly every now and then but it goes back to order quickly.
down Offaly also Late 20th
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 07, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2019, 11:15:52 PM
For weaker counties the All Ireland quest is a joke Dublin and Kerry have 76 or something like that between them  wex tipp Kildare Louth  Cavan Mayo Roscommon Meath Galway Tyrone have another 40 or so between them ,most of them excluding Meath Tyrone and Galway are all early 20th century  so it's been an exclusive club for a long time long before money was an issue ,
20 counties have been pissing again the wind for a long time . There may be an anomaly every now and then but it goes back to order quickly.

So does this mean Ulster will go back to being shit again and have no chance of winning All-Irelands. Oh wait, that's already happened.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 06, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldn't know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
I'm referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
So it that typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Let's be honest here. When Offaly, Laois and Westmeath won Leinsters in that period, Leinster football was at a very big low. It was like Connacht and Ulster for most of the 70s and 80s. Shite. Still, they were the best in the province at the time and fully deserved their medals. But none of those teams came close to winning an AI semi, never mind a final.

Kildare have a long long history of underperforming. It took an excellent outside manager for them to believe in themselves, and they were quite unlucky not to win Sam IMO. They are coming again. (Personally i'll be betting on them to win Leinster next year, but only if Dubs win the replay).

Meath have been so far below par in the last near decade that it's hard to comprehend. McEntee has them at least performing to their ability, but they are missing a couple of really star players. If they get another Geraghty or Giles they could well become a permanent fixture in the S8.
Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.
Another relevant fact to add to the mix is that in a full decade prior to Bertie opening the state's purse strings, the spread  of titles was unique - 5 different counties were victorious.
You see no connection whatever between those stats and Bertie's generosity and maybe you are right and I'm being just a jealous culchie but that's unfair as I am not saying nothing, right?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 09, 2019, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???
look at the counties who won before that though, and after (I'm giving 2010 to Louth)

would never happen now
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 09, 2019, 12:41:51 PM
When will someone else win Leinster again?
Probably Fingal in 2028 :-\
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 09, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

"In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA."

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/3191859/bertie-ahern-government-grants-saved-dublin-gaa/ (https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/3191859/bertie-ahern-government-grants-saved-dublin-gaa/)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 09, 2019, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 09, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

"In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA."

So that's how we won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 ??
Amazing.
Or horseshit.
Take your pick.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 10, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???
It would be disingenuous to say that games development money was the reason Dublin suddenly grew wings and soared away ahead of the rest of Leinster; it took a lot more than that, including hard work by numerous volunteers and the presence of the likes of the late John Bailey and John Costello. The fact that there were a good number of gifted footballers who were willing to put in the extra work required of them can't be ignored either.
It took graft and astute management to make Dublin the force they are today and it all started back in the mid-noughties.
But it would be total BS to maintain that the only factor that separated Dublin from the rest is the bunch of gifted players who arrived by pure coincidence just in time for the good times to roll in 2011.
In any event, if you are a student of the cause and effect school of logic, it doesn't matter a goddamn why Dublin began mopping up Leinster titles.
In the early noughties, there was a great buzz about intercounty football in Leinster. Apart from the 5 counties than won provincial in the decade prior to 2005, Wexford and to a lesser degree Wicklow, were playing at a very much higher level than they are today or are likely to be any time soon.
There is as much chance that one of the other Leinster counties, including Meath, will suddenly emerge as  realistic candidates for an All Ireland or even a Leinster title as there is of me being the next pope.
The only certainty is that change in the GAA world is inevitable.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 09, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 07, 2019, 09:19:27 AM

Huh? I wasn't aware that I had been making any sort of a point. ;D
I gave a  few pertinent stats, pertinent to the current state of football in Leinster, and left it up to the readers to draw their own conclusions.
It's very obvious that you have done that and you see no connection at all between that fact that Dublin started getting massive injections of cash in 2004 and the fact that it has won 15 out of a total of 16 titles since then.


So Dublin won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

I would love know how exactly the games development funding money that we got from 2004 delivered these 5 Leinsters in a row? It could hardly be coincidence! Could it???

"In order to avail of funding, the clubs linked in with the local schools, sharing their coach with their new partners. By 2001, the grants aimed at increasing grassroots participation were allocated through the Irish Sports Council, with the backing of the GAA."

So that's how we won Leinster in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 ??
Amazing.
Or horseshit.
Take your pick.

I was just showing you that you were talking sh1te again. You should be showing me some gratitude. You're clueless on this topic and I'm giving you free education.

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 10, 2019, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 10, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEGwPmlXoAAFKNY?format=jpg&name=large)
Dublin the only quarter finalists that didn't win one.

Can only imagine the shite that would be on this thread from the board moron if Dublin had won and had 4 or 5 Minor All Stars!

How is the games development funding failing so badly?
Maybe down to the funds go to participation and have nothing to do with the elite panels!

The ladies will be getting it next week if they win 3 in a row. Cork win something like 10 out of 11 All Irelands and they're just great. But if Dublin happen to win 3 in a row it'll be catastrophic!!

Up the duckin fubs!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin

Leinsters were being divided amongst Westmeath, Laois, Meath, Kildare, Offaly and Dublin. A wide open championship. Is it wide open now? No, what are the average winning margins for Dublin? Compare that to the Leinster championship pre doping. I think it will sink in eventually.

Free remedial lessons for our special student hound.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
Can only imagine the shite that would be on this thread from the board moron if Dublin had won and had 4 or 5 Minor All Stars!

How is the games development funding failing so badly?
Maybe down to the funds go to participation and have nothing to do with the elite panels!

The ladies will be getting it next week if they win 3 in a row. Cork win something like 10 out of 11 All Irelands and they're just great. But if Dublin happen to win 3 in a row it'll be catastrophic!!

Up the duckin fubs!

This is desperate stuff. Employees of Dublin GAA who've worked for 2 decades speak about how much of a difference the professional coaches have made to elite level standards, the change between the 90's and now is like night and day they say. The development squads have players going into them with all the skills, this wasn't the way pre doping. This has had an effect for Dublin male football but also hurling and as you say Ladies football.

Ok, so it's clear you find it hard to comprehend simple sentences so I'll give you some visual aids. This shows the increase in titles from the same period pre doping to the same period post doping. It's for men's, women's, underage and club titles. Even you can understand this one:

(https://i.imgur.com/qEcqyAy.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin


You have it now alright. That was a great win by Laois in 2003.
Their first Leinster since 1946. The money must have started coming in from 1947, eh?  Those dastardly Dubs.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin


You have it now alright. That was a great win by Laois in 2003.
Their first Leinster since 1946. The money must have started coming in from 1947, eh?  Those dastardly Dubs.

Up until lately Dublin would average 4 to 5 Leinster titles a decade. That was the norm. The collective rest would come good every now and again a grab what was left over (naturally). The collective rest don't do this anymore. If you think that winning 14 of the last 15 titles can not be attributed to money, then what is the reason for the change? Why have Dublin become more dominant?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 11, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin


You have it now alright. That was a great win by Laois in 2003.
Their first Leinster since 1946. The money must have started coming in from 1947, eh?  Those dastardly Dubs.

Up until lately Dublin would average 4 to 5 Leinster titles a decade. That was the norm. The collective rest would come good every now and again a grab what was left over (naturally). The collective rest don't do this anymore. If you think that winning 14 of the last 15 titles can not be attributed to money, then what is the reason for the change? Why have Dublin become more dominant?

From Wikipedia:

The most successful team of each decade, judged by number of Leinster Senior Football Championship titles, is as follows:

1880s: 1 each for Kilkenny (1888) and Laois (1889)
1890s: 7 for Dublin (1891-92-94-96-97-98-99)
1900s: 6 for Dublin (1901-02-04-06-07-08)
1910s: 6 for Wexford (1913–14-15-16-17-18)
1920s: 5 for Dublin (1920-21-22-23-24)
1930s: 3 each for Kildare (1930-31-35), Dublin (1932-33-34) and Laois (1936-37-38)
1940s: 3 for Meath (1940-47-49)
1950s: 3 each for Louth (1950-53-57), Meath (1951-52-54) and Dublin (1955-58-59)
1960s: 3 each for Offaly (1960-61-69), Dublin (1962-63-65) and Meath (1964-66-67)
1970s: 6 for Dublin (1974-75-76-77-78-79)
1980s: 4 for Dublin (1983-84-85-89)
1990s: 4 each for Meath (1990-91-96-99) and Dublin (1992-93-94-95)
2000s: 6 for Dublin (2002-05-06-07-08-09)
2010s: 9 for Dublin (2011-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19)

Pretty stark that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin


You have it now alright. That was a great win by Laois in 2003.
Their first Leinster since 1946. The money must have started coming in from 1947, eh?  Those dastardly Dubs.

One of the most pathetic, weak, sorry excuses for an argument I've ever seen. You are a joke.  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 06:30:44 PM
Lads, the game had moved on from the dark days of the 70's. Back then it was 2 teams competing for All Ireland's. Standards started increasing across the country. The late 80's, 90's and early 00's saw Ulster counties making breakthroughs, Connacht counties became competitive at All Ireland level, I've already shown that Leinster counties were improving, same in Munster. In fact, since 1990, 21 different counties won provincial titles and 10 different counties won All Ireland's. It wasn't perfect but Gaelic Football was in good order. The inter county championships were open and vibrant.

Everybody should have been happy with this? You'd think so but Dublin were not. 1 All Ireland since 1983 wasn't good enough for them. They didn't like seeing other counties winning Leinster titles. So what did they do? They looked for answers and their findings stated that getting professional coaches involved was the only way forward. They went begging to their man in the Department of Finance. The amounts Bertie granted them and so forth have been well publicised but just think about how sneaky, underhand and corrupt this move was.

Dublin had won an All Ireland in 1995, they won 4 Leinster titles in the 90's and 4 in the 80's. Most counties could only dream of this but since Dublin hadn't won Leinster since 1995, they felt they needed to do something in the late 90's. They were seeing other counties push ahead, they hated Meath for example, they hated seeing Kildare compete at the top. They were seeing themselves slip into the pack. They'd have done anything to change this and competing fairly went out the window. The money has changed the course of history.

Dublin have now destroyed the Leinster championship, it's completely dead. They're doing the same to the All Ireland championship. It's not just men's football either. Women's football, underage football and hurling, senior hurling and club football and hurling have seen dramatic and unprecedented change with Dublin teams improving beyond recognition. It really is a shameful period for our games and it should be investigated fully.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: BennyCake on September 11, 2019, 06:41:45 PM
Pricey, your face will end up on a 'Missing' poster if you're not careful :D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 12, 2019, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 11, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 11, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2019, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on September 10, 2019, 04:37:09 PM

You again want to limit it to the games development money. I've told you numerous times now, the games development money has played a key role in all of this but it's only one part in the doping of Dublin. The money was freed up elsewhere and Dublin have spent it on many other areas including senior team preparation and everything this involves. This was enough to improve from losing to Westmeath and Laois to beating teams of that standard at the start. They were still getting bad beatings off teams outside Leinster but they slowly were closing the gap. It took a huge influx of players that came through the multi million euro system to push them to All Ireland contenders. This is not the first time I've had to clear things up for you and more than likely it won't be the last.

So before the games development funding Laois and Westmeath were beating Dublin?

What's the figures, Laois beat us twice in championship in about 40 years, Westmeath once? That's awesome analysis. I'm really glad you cleared that up. Now, there's probably not many that listen to you anyway, but you've removed all doubt about your gombeenism.

2004 - Westmeath beat Dublin
2003 - Laois beat Dublin


You have it now alright. That was a great win by Laois in 2003.
Their first Leinster since 1946. The money must have started coming in from 1947, eh?  Those dastardly Dubs.

Up until lately Dublin would average 4 to 5 Leinster titles a decade. That was the norm. The collective rest would come good every now and again a grab what was left over (naturally). The collective rest don't do this anymore. If you think that winning 14 of the last 15 titles can not be attributed to money, then what is the reason for the change? Why have Dublin become more dominant?

From Wikipedia:

The most successful team of each decade, judged by number of Leinster Senior Football Championship titles, is as follows:

1880s: 1 each for Kilkenny (1888) and Laois (1889)
1890s: 7 for Dublin (1891-92-94-96-97-98-99)
1900s: 6 for Dublin (1901-02-04-06-07-08)
1910s: 6 for Wexford (1913–14-15-16-17-18)
1920s: 5 for Dublin (1920-21-22-23-24)
1930s: 3 each for Kildare (1930-31-35), Dublin (1932-33-34) and Laois (1936-37-38)
1940s: 3 for Meath (1940-47-49)
1950s: 3 each for Louth (1950-53-57), Meath (1951-52-54) and Dublin (1955-58-59)
1960s: 3 each for Offaly (1960-61-69), Dublin (1962-63-65) and Meath (1964-66-67)
1970s: 6 for Dublin (1974-75-76-77-78-79)
1980s: 4 for Dublin (1983-84-85-89)
1990s: 4 each for Meath (1990-91-96-99) and Dublin (1992-93-94-95)
2000s: 6 for Dublin (2002-05-06-07-08-09)
2010s: 9 for Dublin (2011-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19)

Pretty stark that.
Absolutely. Dublin have always had periods of Leinster dominance and this decade is the most dominant they have been in football. Coincided with, until the last couple of years, a drop in standards in the other top Leinster teams. Why Kildare and Meath haven't been as good as Mayo and Kerry and Donegal and Tyrone over the last decade is for another  thread. But that's changing and I think we'll see both as regulars in Division 1 over the next decade.

But despite pricey's childish ramblings (and complete lies mixed in), the games development funding has very little to do with why Dublin's elite players are so good.

Now I've learnt to put him on ignore so I no longer have to read his ramblings (he has absolutely zero knowledge of what happens on the ground in Dublin, so just makes up lies to justify his nonsense). I realise there are plenty who lap up the nonsense that pricey and Spewan dish out, but for anyone who is interested in what actually happens, you should read this article. Its purpose, seemingly, was to expose how the Games Development Funding has turned Dublin into a great senior team. And while there was a bit of plamasing at the start re this funding, it ended up going into great detail (from country people involved in Dublin clubs) about the actual real primary reasons.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 12, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
I think arguing about preferential funding is a smokescreen that clouds the main issue.
The fact is that a total of five counties won the Leinster championship between 1995 and 2004 and since then, Dublin has won all bar one and there is no realistic indication that Dublin's dominance won't continue.
The cause is not bothering me but the effect is.
As it stands, Dublin has a bigger population than the combined total of the other eleven.
Back in the early noughties Wexford were in hard luck on a couple of occasions and generated a level of interest in Gaelic football that is absent now.
Mattie Forde was a household name and kids were wearing Wexford tops everywhere you looked and I did look as I spent a few summer holidays there.
Laois kids had their heroes like Ross Munnelly and Beano McDonald and Westmeath had their own as well.
Without contradiction, football at grassroots level was thriving then and it certainly isn't now.
Why this may be so is open to debate but the fact that football in eleven counties has regressed is certainly not.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on September 12, 2019, 08:46:45 PM
Kerry/Cork have split munster titles since god knows when, but where is the ridicule for the munster championship or is it accepted munster has been rubish forever so it somehow doesn't count.

Realistically the provincial championships should be scrapped. Unfortunately the dinosaurs in charge who think what worked in 1919 still works best in 2019. Their rumoured masterplan to put the dubs straight into a Leinster semi final which unfortunately  achieves nothing for competitiveness but at least the auld lads get to feel important fldoing the draw and arranging fixtures
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Maiden1 on September 12, 2019, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 06, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 06, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
Lar, I was able to read that full article  when I posted the link.
You probably have to be registered with them?
I'm not sure what Leinster is at.
They were as well to let the other 10 play for the Leinster IFC with the winners playing Dublin in the Senior Final ::)
You wouldn't know what to make of it all.
However, one thing stood out for me and I thought maybe I should highlight it to see if anyone else finds it, well, interesting.
I'm referring to the list of Leinster provincial winners-particularly those in the ten years before Bertie and John Bailey got together and roped in the Irish Sports Council.  So I am talking about the provincial winners from 1995 until 2004.
The spread was impressive, five different counties in a decade.
Meath won 3.
Dublin won 2.
Kildare won 2.
Offaly won 1.
Laois won 1.
Westmeath won 1.
Since then, Dublin have won 13 out of 14.
Dunno what to make of it all, do you?
So it that typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?

Let's be honest here. When Offaly, Laois and Westmeath won Leinsters in that period, Leinster football was at a very big low. It was like Connacht and Ulster for most of the 70s and 80s. Shite. Still, they were the best in the province at the time and fully deserved their medals. But none of those teams came close to winning an AI semi, never mind a final.

Kildare have a long long history of underperforming. It took an excellent outside manager for them to believe in themselves, and they were quite unlucky not to win Sam IMO. They are coming again. (Personally i'll be betting on them to win Leinster next year, but only if Dubs win the replay).

Meath have been so far below par in the last near decade that it's hard to comprehend. McEntee has them at least performing to their ability, but they are missing a couple of really star players. If they get another Geraghty or Giles they could well become a permanent fixture in the S8.

Is the present Dublin dominance typical of Leinster Gaa history or are you picking out an outlier period to make a ridiculous point?
Interestingly even though everyone talks about the Dublin Kerry rivalry like they been more or less matching each other every decade, between 1924 and 1973 Dublin won 3 AI.  In fact between 1924 and 2010 Galway have won more AI than Dublin.  It really only the last 15 years that the big gap between Dublin and the rest in Leinster has existed.  The 1970s were known as the decade of the Dubs but Offaly played in 5 AI finals and won 7 Leinster titles between 1969 and 1982. Most of Dublins AIs are pre 1924.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2019, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 12, 2019, 12:11:21 PM
Absolutely. Dublin have always had periods of Leinster dominance and this decade is the most dominant they have been in football. Coincided with, until the last couple of years, a drop in standards in the other top Leinster teams. Why Kildare and Meath haven't been as good as Mayo and Kerry and Donegal and Tyrone over the last decade is for another  thread. But that's changing and I think we'll see both as regulars in Division 1 over the next decade.

But despite pricey's childish ramblings (and complete lies mixed in), the games development funding has very little to do with why Dublin's elite players are so good.

Now I've learnt to put him on ignore so I no longer have to read his ramblings (he has absolutely zero knowledge of what happens on the ground in Dublin, so just makes up lies to justify his nonsense). I realise there are plenty who lap up the nonsense that pricey and Spewan dish out, but for anyone who is interested in what actually happens, you should read this article. Its purpose, seemingly, was to expose how the Games Development Funding has turned Dublin into a great senior team. And while there was a bit of plamasing at the start re this funding, it ended up going into great detail (from country people involved in Dublin clubs) about the actual real primary reasons.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html

;D All you can do is laugh at this f**king spoofer! Here are a quote from the article he linked to:

"I went back the following year to an U15 development squad(late 90's). And if you were to compare the quality of player coming through then to the U13s now, the difference is night and day. Kids were coming into us without the basic skills. They were kick-passing a five-yard pass instead of hand-passing it but their instinct was to kick it along the ground. So they obviously hadn't been exposed to any level of coaching.

I look now at U14 football in Dublin and the standard of football in the county is phenomenal. The level of individual skill the players have, the level of coaching teams, it's incomparable to the late '90s, early '00s. And a big reason why is obviously the GDO system going into Dublin."

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2019, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2019, 08:46:45 PM
Kerry/Cork have split munster titles since god knows when, but where is the ridicule for the munster championship or is it accepted munster has been rubish forever so it somehow doesn't count.
Munster apart from Kerry is Hurley country so it doesn't matter.
Only issue there is will Kerry get 100 Football Titles before Cork get 50.
10 of Leinster's 12 are football counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 13, 2019, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 12, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
I think arguing about preferential funding is a smokescreen that clouds the main issue.
The fact is that a total of five counties won the Leinster championship between 1995 and 2004 and since then, Dublin has won all bar one and there is no realistic indication that Dublin's dominance won't continue.
The cause is not bothering me but the effect is.
As it stands, Dublin has a bigger population than the combined total of the other eleven.
Back in the early noughties Wexford were in hard luck on a couple of occasions and generated a level of interest in Gaelic football that is absent now.
Mattie Forde was a household name and kids were wearing Wexford tops everywhere you looked and I did look as I spent a few summer holidays there.
Laois kids had their heroes like Ross Munnelly and Beano McDonald and Westmeath had their own as well.
Without contradiction, football at grassroots level was thriving then and it certainly isn't now.
Why this may be so is open to debate but the fact that football in eleven counties has regressed is certainly not.

That's correct Lar.
As per the link I attached, the Dubs really got their house in order and at the same time standards in other Leinster counties had slipped. What Kildare and Meath would give for an outstanding and totally committed star forward like Mattie Forde.

Marc O'Se was on the radio this week, saying he's just finished a year with the Kerry development panels. I think he said he was with the U15s. But he said every Saturday he would go down to the Kerry centre of excellence and there also every week was, among others, Paul Galvin, Mike Frank Russell and one of the Hassetts. These lads are effectively rock stars in Kerry, and these are the type of men who have been giving up their Saturdays for years to train young lads, who probably can't believe their luck that they have heroes like these training them.

I understand that some of the Leinster counties have upped their game with development panels in recent years. Clearly Kildare and Meath are improving and matching Dubs at minor level. Supposed to be great work going on in Wicklow. But you do need lads with the drive and ambition to pull on the county jersey and, as you alluded to, that's much harder when there's been no success at senior level for donkeys. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on September 13, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2019, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 12, 2019, 08:46:45 PM
Kerry/Cork have split munster titles since god knows when, but where is the ridicule for the munster championship or is it accepted munster has been rubish forever so it somehow doesn't count.
Munster apart from Kerry is Hurley country so it doesn't matter.
Only issue there is will Kerry get 100 Football Titles before Cork get 50.
10 of Leinster's 12 are football counties.

Only if you discount non-GAA sports
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2019, 10:47:06 AM
Isn't there money being put into an "East Leinster project" by the GAA?
Any chance the Leitrims, Fermanaghs etc. could get some help?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 13, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2019, 10:47:06 AM
Isn't there money being put into an "East Leinster project" by the GAA?
Any chance the Leitrims, Fermanaghs etc. could get some help?
They'd need to ask for it first and I don't think most counties have. I imagine we'd have heard if any ones did ask and were refused.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on September 13, 2019, 05:48:10 PM
Dublin's U21/U20 Leinster football titles

1974
1975
1980
1984
2002
2003
2005
2009
2010
2012
2014
2015
2016
2017
2019

Don't hold out any hope of Leinster going to become significantly more competitive any time soon.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 13, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 13, 2019, 05:48:10 PM
Dublin's U21/U20 Leinster football titles

1974
1975
1980
1984
2002
2003
2005
2009
2010
2012
2014
2015
2016
2017
2019

Don't hold out any hope of Leinster going to become significantly more competitive any time soon.

You have to admire the commitment of the Dublin volunteer since 2002. You'd have to wonder what those volunteers  pre-2002 were doing! They must have been very poor!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: FermGael on September 13, 2019, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 13, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2019, 10:47:06 AM
Isn't there money being put into an "East Leinster project" by the GAA?
Any chance the Leitrims, Fermanaghs etc. could get some help?
They'd need to ask for it first and I don't think most counties have. I imagine we'd have heard if any ones did ask and were refused.

We did ask for it.  We were told to feck off.



* * *

Fermanagh have done a whole lot right.


Sitting in the middle of Division Two after drawing with even a burnt-out star like Cork may not seem much, but that's because many don't know their situation. The saying goes between lakes and protestants there isn't much left and it shows, what with the 20 clubs, the 3,514 registered players across all ages and grades, and a board estimate showing they've 270 men in their 20s that can play senior football. It ought to be a wasteland.

Yet in 2015 they'd made it to the last four in Ulster, took some decent scalps in the qualifiers, and got a trip to Croke Park only to be annihilated by Dublin. Some mocked their lap of honour after that defeat, but maximising what you have rather than winning is what's most important.

There were those in the county though who wanted to take it further. Their supporters' fundraising arm for instance brought in a phenomenal €130,000 (for context, the rare leaking of Dublin's accounts for 2016 showed they brought in a mere €57,336) and there was still more to do. So they went to Croke Park and asked for an external review. Does this sound like a county not getting its act together? Like a house not being put in order?

A root-and-branch investigation was carried out and signed off on by Micheál Ó Mairtín. His insights and views made sense locally as, of the six key recommendations, three were vital.

3. A cost-analysis should be prepared to outline the required funding required for the full implementation of this plan. This should be used to seek funding from sponsors and from Ulster Council/Croke Park.

4. A football development coordinator should be appointed on a three-year term to deliver the recommendations contained in Section 3 & 4.

6. The county should employ/contract a strength-and-conditioning coach to implement a programme for players from 14 to minor.

All of the above was done and they applied for funding as the association's own audit of them had said to do, asking for half the wages of the coach and coordinator. And guess what? "Told to go away," one person involved informed me. "They told us they were doing a review into all of their coaching, they'd be looking at their model, and to come back some point in the future."
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
Feck off Fermanagh we need our money for Dublin >:(
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 14, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs
Ignore the question as usual. It's the Dubs fault that Kildare won none in 40 years before 1998.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2019, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs
Ignore the question as usual. It's the Dubs fault that Kildare won none in 40 years before 1998.
A valid point, Hound.
However, whatever the reason, Kildare have regressed in recent years form their high point in the early noughties. We have to deal with the here and now in the GAA world. For one reason or another, Kildare and most other Leinster counties wouldn't bate Katty Barry at the moment, never mind Dublin and that can't be good for anyone.
The county seems to be doing well at underage level and we can only hope this improvement continues.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs

Nothing to do with good players either I take it
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 14, 2019, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs
Ignore the question as usual. It's the Dubs fault that Kildare won none in 40 years before 1998.

Where did I blame Dublin?

Paranoid or what.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 14, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs

Nothing to do with good players either I take it

Of course it does. I've no problem admitting Dublin are a fantastic team. Pity ye can't admit that finances are part of the reason for the success.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs

Nothing to do with good players either I take it

Of course it does. I've no problem admitting Dublin are a fantastic team. Pity ye can't admit that finances are part of the reason for the success.

This is a one in a generation group that have been brought through by excellent volunteers!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs

Nothing to do with good players either I take it

Of course it does. I've no problem admitting Dublin are a fantastic team. Pity ye can't admit that finances are part of the reason for the success.

This is a one in a generation group that have been brought through by excellent volunteers!

There are some sad saps on this forum. Forty minutes away from a mouth watering All Ireland Final replay and this is what we get from self proclaimed Gaelic football enthusiasts. So sad.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2019, 05:31:07 PM
Will you get there before throw in?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on September 14, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Well done Dublin. 5 in a row. Best volunteers in the history of the GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on September 14, 2019, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2019, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 14, 2019, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: mup on September 14, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: mup on September 13, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
QuoteSupposed to be great work going on in Wicklow

Heard that myself, particularly in Greystones. Wicklow minors beat Dublin last year. Hopefully the likes of Meath, Kildare and Wicklow bring on these young teams and the Leinster Senior Championship will be more competitive in 3 to 5 years time.

Kildare won leinster minor titles in 13, 15, 16. They are not near competitive. Why will 3 - 5 years time be any different?

The Leinster Championship is a dead duck. No amount of faffing about or hoping for minor teams to step up is going to change that. The Dubs won't admit that money has been a big factor in this. Certainly not the only one but it's no coincidence.

In the 40 years from 1957 to 1997, Kildare didn't win a single Leinster senior football title. 0.
I don't know why that was, but could some of the reasons why they didn't win one in those 40 years not be similar to reasons why they haven't won one in the last 19 years?

Good minor teams will give Kildare are a good baseline, but they could do with a player of two who are the best in their position in the country to lift them to be genuine challengers.

And how come no other county has won any  of the last 9? I suppose thats downs to every other county not having the volunteers that Dublin have. Mothing to do with finances. God no.

Usual head in the sand stuff from you Dubs

Nothing to do with good players either I take it

Of course it does. I've no problem admitting Dublin are a fantastic team. Pity ye can't admit that finances are part of the reason for the success.

This is a one in a generation group that have been brought through by excellent volunteers!

There are some sad saps on this forum. Forty minutes away from a mouth watering All Ireland Final replay and this is what we get from self proclaimed Gaelic football enthusiasts. So sad.

Even sadder saps posting 40 mins before an AI final when your county are playing. 🤭🤭
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
I'm a little puzzled at some very strange remarks from Declan Darcy about Diarmuid Connolly's return to the squad: https://www.the42.ie/dublin-diarmuid-connolly-declan-darcy-4812056-Sep2019/

Connolly's private life is his own concern. I don't want to know anything about it, it's his own business. What's bothering me is - are Dublin so far ahead of the pack that they could afford to carry a passenger in the All-Ireland series?

I know Connolly in his prime was a superstar, but he was eighteen months out of inter-county football and looked it. Are Dublin that far ahead that they could carry him? I know he's not a passenger in the sense they couldn't carry Joe Duffy or Christy Dignam or some other hero of the city, but dammit, those comments from Darcy are just plain odd.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 18, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
I'm a little puzzled at some very strange remarks from Declan Darcy about Diarmuid Connolly's return to the squad: https://www.the42.ie/dublin-diarmuid-connolly-declan-darcy-4812056-Sep2019/

Connolly's private life is his own concern. I don't want to know anything about it, it's his own business. What's bothering me is - are Dublin so far ahead of the pack that they could afford to carry a passenger in the All-Ireland series?

I know Connolly in his prime was a superstar, but he was eighteen months out of inter-county football and looked it. Are Dublin that far ahead that they could carry him? I know he's not a passenger in the sense they couldn't carry Joe Duffy or Christy Dignam or some other hero of the city, but dammit, those comments from Darcy are just plain odd.

In 35 minutes he set up 2 points, and while he missed a goal opportunity, it eventually went for a 45 which Rock pointed. So direct involvement in 3 points for Dublin, and cost a few turnovers too. But overall, there was at least half a dozen players on the pitch who contributed less than he did. So a passenger? I don't think so.

And while there may have been some sympathy shown to get on the panel of 35 or whatever it is. To get in the 26, he had to be showing more in training that his competitors for half forward cover. To suggest he was in the 26 as some sort of compassionate play is clearly way off the mark. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on September 18, 2019, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 14, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Well done Dublin. 5 in a row. Best volunteers in the history of the GAA.

Thanks , i feel i have contributed to the success.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tyroneman on September 18, 2019, 12:51:50 PM
Colm o'Rourke in the Indo today saying the Dubs aren't given ENOUGH funding..... ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2019, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
I'm a little puzzled at some very strange remarks from Declan Darcy about Diarmuid Connolly's return to the squad: https://www.the42.ie/dublin-diarmuid-connolly-declan-darcy-4812056-Sep2019/

Connolly's private life is his own concern. I don't want to know anything about it, it's his own business. What's bothering me is - are Dublin so far ahead of the pack that they could afford to carry a passenger in the All-Ireland series?

I know Connolly in his prime was a superstar, but he was eighteen months out of inter-county football and looked it. Are Dublin that far ahead that they could carry him? I know he's not a passenger in the sense they couldn't carry Joe Duffy or Christy Dignam or some other hero of the city, but dammit, those comments from Darcy are just plain odd.

In 35 minutes he set up 2 points, and while he missed a goal opportunity, it eventually went for a 45 which Rock pointed. So direct involvement in 3 points for Dublin, and cost a few turnovers too. But overall, there was at least half a dozen players on the pitch who contributed less than he did. So a passenger? I don't think so.

And while there may have been some sympathy shown to get on the panel of 35 or whatever it is. To get in the 26, he had to be showing more in training that his competitors for half forward cover. To suggest he was in the 26 as some sort of compassionate play is clearly way off the mark.

I dunno Hound. I'm only going on how Darcy is quoted in the interview.
Quote
I think first and foremost it was really important for us, the care of Diarmuid. To bring him back into the group was the right thing to do Things weren't going really well for him probably outside of football and I think he needed football, he needed structure and whatever about whether he was to function within our group or not.

He had soldiered long and hard for us and he deserved that right to come back in and I think it was a really good thing for him to do. No matter whether we won an All-Ireland, I still think it would have been the right thing to do because we were looking after one of our own and he needs to be in our family.

Because the lads are brilliant to look after him, and reach out to him, which is really, really important. It was very impressive to see it, when it operated, and how Diarmuid flourished in that environment, and that friendship being shared to him.

We'll have to agree to disagree about how good or bad he was. Nobody ever agrees 100% on these things, not even the players themselves. I find the whole thing very puzzling. But then, really, maybe it's none of my business either. Dublin won, and won well. That's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: moysider on September 19, 2019, 10:32:25 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 18, 2019, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 17, 2019, 09:04:05 PM
I'm a little puzzled at some very strange remarks from Declan Darcy about Diarmuid Connolly's return to the squad: https://www.the42.ie/dublin-diarmuid-connolly-declan-darcy-4812056-Sep2019/

Connolly's private life is his own concern. I don't want to know anything about it, it's his own business. What's bothering me is - are Dublin so far ahead of the pack that they could afford to carry a passenger in the All-Ireland series?

I know Connolly in his prime was a superstar, but he was eighteen months out of inter-county football and looked it. Are Dublin that far ahead that they could carry him? I know he's not a passenger in the sense they couldn't carry Joe Duffy or Christy Dignam or some other hero of the city, but dammit, those comments from Darcy are just plain odd.

In 35 minutes he set up 2 points, and while he missed a goal opportunity, it eventually went for a 45 which Rock pointed. So direct involvement in 3 points for Dublin, and cost a few turnovers too. But overall, there was at least half a dozen players on the pitch who contributed less than he did. So a passenger? I don't think so.

And while there may have been some sympathy shown to get on the panel of 35 or whatever it is. To get in the 26, he had to be showing more in training that his competitors for half forward cover. To suggest he was in the 26 as some sort of compassionate play is clearly way off the mark.

I dunno Hound. I'm only going on how Darcy is quoted in the interview.
Quote
I think first and foremost it was really important for us, the care of Diarmuid. To bring him back into the group was the right thing to do Things weren't going really well for him probably outside of football and I think he needed football, he needed structure and whatever about whether he was to function within our group or not.

He had soldiered long and hard for us and he deserved that right to come back in and I think it was a really good thing for him to do. No matter whether we won an All-Ireland, I still think it would have been the right thing to do because we were looking after one of our own and he needs to be in our family.

Because the lads are brilliant to look after him, and reach out to him, which is really, really important. It was very impressive to see it, when it operated, and how Diarmuid flourished in that environment, and that friendship being shared to him.

We'll have to agree to disagree about how good or bad he was. Nobody ever agrees 100% on these things, not even the players themselves. I find the whole thing very puzzling. But then, really, maybe it's none of my business either. Dublin won, and won well. That's the bottom line.

Agree Iolar. Very strange stuff. 'the care of Diarmuid'
Wtf!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: under the bar on September 19, 2019, 11:46:39 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156979601159608&id=522964607&sfnsn=mo
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
What Reg No do Ballagh people get if they buy a new car ;)

Meanwhile in another sign of Eastern wealth  Louth Co Board buying a site round Dundalk for a new County Ground.
Sally there will be no more Green grassy slopes....
Dundalk FC chairman offering to go halvers...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on September 25, 2019, 10:22:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUV3HPXsAMRJEL?format=png)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 26, 2019, 12:43:42 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 25, 2019, 10:22:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUV3HPXsAMRJEL?format=png)
At least Leitrim win something
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:17:52 AM
Demographics globally are a move from rural to urban. So what?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on September 26, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
 I see the Leinster Council have decided not to adopt a proposal to give Dublin a bye to the Semi Final in 2020.
However they won't do the Semi Final draw till after the Quarter Finals are played.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 26, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:17:52 AM
Demographics globally are a move from rural to urban. So what?
Very true but so what is a different matter entirely on two fronts.
Dublin at present has around one third of the republic's population and, crucially, almost half of its economic resources.
It's estimated (by Simon Coveney, not me) that over 40% of the population will reside there by 2040. I suspect that he is underestimating  this projection.

Furthermore, with only one CB, Dublin has only one internal club structure to cater for one third of the population.
That's more than the population of 16 other counties. It's no wonder Dublin has an appealing drop out rate, which is much more acute than you'll find in another county.
According to a few Gardai in Finglas that I was charting to their station covers roughly the same population as County Cavan.
But Cavan has 41 clubs and Finglas has only on senior club.
I think the figures speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on September 27, 2019, 11:51:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 26, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:17:52 AM
Demographics globally are a move from rural to urban. So what?
Very true but so what is a different matter entirely on two fronts.
Dublin at present has around one third of the republic's population and, crucially, almost half of its economic resources.
It's estimated (by Simon Coveney, not me) that over 40% of the population will reside there by 2040. I suspect that he is underestimating  this projection.

Furthermore, with only one CB, Dublin has only one internal club structure to cater for one third of the population.
That's more than the population of 16 other counties. It's no wonder Dublin has an appealing drop out rate, which is much more acute than you'll find in another county.
According to a few Gardai in Finglas that I was charting to their station covers roughly the same population as County Cavan.
But Cavan has 41 clubs and Finglas has only on senior club.
I think the figures speak for themselves.
What do you mean exactly?
Presume you refer to  Erin's Isle. Who are barely senior. 32 'senior' clubs in Dublin. Erin's isle might be 20-25th. GAA completely a minority sport in Finglas.
If it became the number one sport, there'd just be more moaning and whining from mup and spewan etc. Another reason why Kildare are underperforming for 100 years
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 13, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
€2m in Commercial Revenue  :o

pissing against the wind  (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.htm)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on December 29, 2019, 09:34:14 PM
The FAI has apologised to the hundreds of thousands of people involved in Irish football

https://mobile.twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1211361616631156736

So the Dubs must be their fault
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 30, 2019, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 29, 2019, 09:34:14 PM
The FAI has apologised to the hundreds of thousands of people involved in Irish football

https://mobile.twitter.com/FAIreland/status/1211361616631156736

So the Dubs must be their fault
Did you start your New Year's celebrations a bit early or what? ;D
I mean what's the connection above>
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 03:24:36 PM
The Dean Rock free taking school some craic, 400 odd euros to learn how to kick a ball over the bar
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 22, 2020, 03:48:17 PM
That is all over twitter lol.

350 euros (not counting travel expenses) to be taught how to kick frees. I wonder how many takers he'll get  ;D

(There is the possibility it isn't real mind you but it looks legit...)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 22, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
Must be a hoax?

Dean Rock
@deanrock104
·
1h
I can do 1 to 1 discounted Zoom sessions for €100 per half hour. Let me know if that interests anyone #deanrock
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on July 22, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: five points on July 22, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
Must be a hoax?

Dean Rock
@deanrock104
·
1h
I can do 1 to 1 discounted Zoom sessions for €100 per half hour. Let me know if that interests anyone #deanrock

€100 for a zoom session for 30mins  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rosnarun on July 22, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 22, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: five points on July 22, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
Must be a hoax?

Dean Rock
@deanrock104
·
1h
I can do 1 to 1 discounted Zoom sessions for €100 per half hour. Let me know if that interests anyone #deanrock

€100 for a zoom session for 30mins  :o :o :o
jesu I wonde how much could Cillian charge.
Though to be honest I reckon Rory Beggan has the best Technique  of any Kicker i've seen. so little obvious Effort so much distance  . he's a joy to watch.
now if he was a bit more accurate I reckon they'd have to change the rules or he be scoring from any where around midfield
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
Quote from: five points on July 22, 2020, 03:59:35 PM
Must be a hoax?

Dean Rock
@deanrock104
·
1h
I can do 1 to 1 discounted Zoom sessions for €100 per half hour. Let me know if that interests anyone #deanrock

That's a fake account
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
There is a fake account going about but the free kick take on shakedown is on the legit Dean Rock twitter account
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: StephenC on July 22, 2020, 05:16:22 PM
He's already one of the all-time best freetakers ... clubs have no hesitation throwing away money on snake oil salesmen ... I'd say why not.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2020, 05:17:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdiYcIgXYAAvr0G?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dubhaltach on July 22, 2020, 08:28:17 PM
The Dubs- Continuing to find new ways to destroy Gaelic Football.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcVeiw9XkAAvnre?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 08:34:04 PM
See Kieran Star Basketball Camp Donaghy thinks it's a great idea
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2020, 08:42:44 PM
So here is the choice - Do you want to spend the money on a new set of Jerseys or Do you want to spend the money on improving the free takers in your club?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on July 22, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
No, seriously, is this a joke?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 23, 2020, 07:11:54 AM
Looks legit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on July 23, 2020, 08:34:06 AM
Lets not pretend many players dont get 'extras' for showing up at coaching sessions for clubs/presentation nights etc etc.

Now some dont take it and are genuinely there to help but many do expect and take the envelope.

The bigger issue with Rock (if the prices are correct) is that they are exorbitantly high - like f**king hell to even have the neck to ask for those prices  :o

Many Dubs will undoubtedly back their man but something doesnt sit right in that this is just another example of Dublin being top of the pile financially
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 23, 2020, 08:39:24 AM
Yeah Donaghy and others coming out to support it on twitter. It's exactly as you say  - it's the prices. 350 euros a session is ludicrous. I wonder how long that session lasts. That's as well paying a job as you would find anywhere lol.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tyrone08 on July 23, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
I have no problem with lads making a few quid. But in this case Dean is literally charging for skills that he was taught for free. No doubt in the Dublin set up he has access to all the help and support to help him perfect his technique. Now he is charging people for the same info he got free of charge.

Anyone who thinks that an hour or 2 with Dean rock is going to make a massive improvement to their free taking is not thinking right.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 23, 2020, 09:51:08 AM
Dublingaa.ie lists his occupation as a "Leisure Centre Executive". I'd imagine an experienced and accredited coach would have more to offer young freetakers than a guy who just happens to take frees for the Dubs. All smells of snake oil.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: DuffleKing on July 23, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
What would you be comfortable with him charging?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 23, 2020, 10:07:45 AM
Simply don't go!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 23, 2020, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 23, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
What would you be comfortable with him charging?

Whatever the market will bear. Fools, money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 23, 2020, 10:14:07 AM
Do you get your money back he he misses one for the Dubs?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: omagh_gael on July 23, 2020, 10:29:32 AM
Quote from: five points on July 23, 2020, 09:51:08 AM
Dublingaa.ie lists his occupation as a "Leisure Centre Executive". I'd imagine an experienced and accredited coach would have more to offer young freetakers than a guy who just happens to take frees for the Dubs. All smells of snake oil.

Dean doesn't work there he's a fund raising manager for Stewart's health care who support people with intellectual disabilities. Using his skills to raise a fair few euro in his private life too, obviously  :o
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 10:59:55 AM
Plenty bluffers and spoofers getting paid for taking club and county sessions around the country. At least Dean Rock has the success to back up his services.

The amount of begrudery towards him is over the top. No one is being forced to pay for his classes. If you don't want to pay it you don't have too.   
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2020, 11:01:26 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 23, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
I have no problem with lads making a few quid. But in this case Dean is literally charging for skills that he was taught for free. No doubt in the Dublin set up he has access to all the help and support to help him perfect his technique. Now he is charging people for the same info he got free of charge.

Anyone who thinks that an hour or 2 with Dean rock is going to make a massive improvement to their free taking is not thinking right.

This. €350 to be told to concentrate and practice.

On one hand, best of luck to him. But lets be clear. Its grubby.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on July 23, 2020, 11:14:16 AM
He's not starting it at a great time.  GAA season might not even be completed.  A second Construction site temporarily shut down in Dublin today.

Not the Celtic Tiger days. A rescission imminent, so price seems a bit much.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: themac_23 on July 23, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins

No it isn't, 'coaching' frees isn't vital, practice is vital, only way to get better is to practice practice practice. the best free takers ive ever seen stay behind after training and hit 15-20 frees and then you see them throw the balls in the car and practice when they can. they find a technique that works for them and work hard on perfecting it. Having the best free taker in the county taking you 1 on 1 for 1-2 hours will not make you as good as him, practice on your own and kicking balls will.

David Beckham, Ronaldo etc are/ were the best at what they done because they worked on it, when Ronaldo was at Utd he used to grab 2 of the young keepers to do nets for him after training for an hour or so to practice free kicks, at this time he didn't have the technique he has now, that's where he developed it and made it his own
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 23, 2020, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins

I did. From a county player. For free.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on July 23, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins

No it isn't, 'coaching' frees isn't vital, practice is vital, only way to get better is to practice practice practice. the best free takers ive ever seen stay behind after training and hit 15-20 frees and then you see them throw the balls in the car and practice when they can. they find a technique that works for them and work hard on perfecting it. Having the best free taker in the county taking you 1 on 1 for 1-2 hours will not make you as good as him, practice on your own and kicking balls will.

David Beckham, Ronaldo etc are/ were the best at what they done because they worked on it, when Ronaldo was at Utd he used to grab 2 of the young keepers to do nets for him after training for an hour or so to practice free kicks, at this time he didn't have the technique he has now, that's where he developed it and made it his own

All the top professional rugby kickers have kicking coaches they use from time to time. Obviously practice is vital, but coaches are there to help you improve and work on your technique. There's no point practicing something daily if you're not doing it right or or there's a better way of doing it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on July 23, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on July 23, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins

No it isn't, 'coaching' frees isn't vital, practice is vital, only way to get better is to practice practice practice. the best free takers ive ever seen stay behind after training and hit 15-20 frees and then you see them throw the balls in the car and practice when they can. they find a technique that works for them and work hard on perfecting it. Having the best free taker in the county taking you 1 on 1 for 1-2 hours will not make you as good as him, practice on your own and kicking balls will.

David Beckham, Ronaldo etc are/ were the best at what they done because they worked on it, when Ronaldo was at Utd he used to grab 2 of the young keepers to do nets for him after training for an hour or so to practice free kicks, at this time he didn't have the technique he has now, that's where he developed it and made it his own

All the top professional rugby kickers have kicking coaches they use from time to time. Obviously practice is vital, but coaches are there to help you improve and work on your technique. There's no point practicing something daily if you're not doing it right or or there's a better way of doing it.

If it was COC, Mc Manus or somone similar would the Dubs be so vehement in their defence? Doubtful.

Great to see high profile GAA players and journalists coming to his defence - we just await the GPA with their opinion  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
Is he a GPA man?

I think goalies etc. run a few 'clinics' during the year but the prices here for free taking is extraordinary - unreal....plus expense.  With those proces, he could have said 25% is going to a charity and still make a few quid out of it, plus people would maybe be more willing to sign up.

Couldn't see T.J. at this or, what would Jim Gavin have said?

Anyway, be interesting to see how many will sign up.  Probably still a few parents about who'll splash out for their wee Johnny.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 23, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on July 23, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins

No it isn't, 'coaching' frees isn't vital, practice is vital, only way to get better is to practice practice practice. the best free takers ive ever seen stay behind after training and hit 15-20 frees and then you see them throw the balls in the car and practice when they can. they find a technique that works for them and work hard on perfecting it. Having the best free taker in the county taking you 1 on 1 for 1-2 hours will not make you as good as him, practice on your own and kicking balls will.

David Beckham, Ronaldo etc are/ were the best at what they done because they worked on it, when Ronaldo was at Utd he used to grab 2 of the young keepers to do nets for him after training for an hour or so to practice free kicks, at this time he didn't have the technique he has now, that's where he developed it and made it his own

All the top professional rugby kickers have kicking coaches they use from time to time. Obviously practice is vital, but coaches are there to help you improve and work on your technique. There's no point practicing something daily if you're not doing it right or or there's a better way of doing it.

If it was COC, Mc Manus or somone similar would the Dubs be so vehement in their defence? Doubtful.

Great to see high profile GAA players and journalists coming to his defence - we just await the GPA with their opinion  ::)

If it was COC offering to teach someone/offer advice on how they successfully deal with the pressures of kicking frees to win All Irelands you're right, I wouldn't be defending him. 

Some might wonder if it wasn't a Dublin player would he be getting such criticisms. Wexford hurling captain Lee Chin has agent you need to contact if you want him to appear at your club to present medals or any other role.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on July 23, 2020, 02:18:39 PM
and they say the gaa is amateur
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 23, 2020, 02:21:00 PM
dublin7 it's not the money it's the price of it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on July 23, 2020, 03:26:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 23, 2020, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 23, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on July 23, 2020, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 23, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
coaching frees is vital . far too many clubs  just hand the ball their Free taker and don't worry about it excep to f**k him out of it if he misses
Has any one ever received free kick lessons here?.
  most games about half the points will come from frees (im guessing anyone got data?) so if you can up the rate a lot of near misses will become wins

No it isn't, 'coaching' frees isn't vital, practice is vital, only way to get better is to practice practice practice. the best free takers ive ever seen stay behind after training and hit 15-20 frees and then you see them throw the balls in the car and practice when they can. they find a technique that works for them and work hard on perfecting it. Having the best free taker in the county taking you 1 on 1 for 1-2 hours will not make you as good as him, practice on your own and kicking balls will.

David Beckham, Ronaldo etc are/ were the best at what they done because they worked on it, when Ronaldo was at Utd he used to grab 2 of the young keepers to do nets for him after training for an hour or so to practice free kicks, at this time he didn't have the technique he has now, that's where he developed it and made it his own

All the top professional rugby kickers have kicking coaches they use from time to time. Obviously practice is vital, but coaches are there to help you improve and work on your technique. There's no point practicing something daily if you're not doing it right or or there's a better way of doing it.

If it was COC, Mc Manus or somone similar would the Dubs be so vehement in their defence? Doubtful.

Great to see high profile GAA players and journalists coming to his defence - we just await the GPA with their opinion  ::)

If it was COC offering to teach someone/offer advice on how they successfully deal with the pressures of kicking frees to win All Irelands you're right, I wouldn't be defending him. 

Some might wonder if it wasn't a Dublin player would he be getting such criticisms. Wexford hurling captain Lee Chin has agent you need to contact if you want him to appear at your club to present medals or any other role.

So rather than look at it objectively you just defend him at all costs (pun intended)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 23, 2020, 04:23:36 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 23, 2020, 02:18:39 PM
and they say the gaa is amateur
It is.
This is an amateur footballer setting up a private  business.
Nobody has to use his services.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 24, 2020, 02:22:42 PM
As I see it, there must be serious demand for his services or he wouldn't have set up his business in the first  place. If he gets people to sign on, he's a lucky bugger and fair play to him. I can't see anyone being forced to pay for his services.
I have no problem with any GAA player doing anything (legal) to bring in a few bob.
When you consider the time, effort and loss of freedom they all put in to play for their clubs and counties, I can't see how anyone could begrudge them cashing in on their public profiles.
There was a big fuss a few years back when  Gooch held a dinner and charged a hefty price for tickets. Nobody was obliged to put their hands in their pockets, and by all accounts, there was sell out crowd. Many people, upright champions of the amateur ethos, tied their jocks in knots at the thought of a GAA player profiting in any way from any connection with the game.
Good luck to Dean; I wouldn't dream of paying his prices if I had kids interested but I'm not everybody.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on July 25, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
what i was meant to say is being a high profile gaa players gets you benefits and favours in the community so some players are indirectly professionals proxy professional you could call them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
what i was meant to say is being a high profile gaa players gets you benefits and favours in the community so some players are indirectly professionals proxy professional you could call them.

GAA is unique for a variety of reasons, "amateur status", closed transfer policy, inequitable provincial structures , financially and logistically advantaged counties.

Whereas I have no problem with committed players being looked after in terms of expenses, career opportunities etc. , it's unfair the way players from Dublin and some other counties have far more opportunities. If Dean Rock happened to be born in Tullow in Co Carlow, for example, he could never be afforded these opportunities unless he was to choose another sport (Seán O'brien started off as a GAA player, but had to choose Rugby to make the £££)
For this reason alone , The GAA needs to tidy up the guidelines around this. Though he should be paid for his time, expenses and loss of opportunity , the extra monies Dublin & other counties , and their players , make out of sponsorship , coaching , and gate receipts , should be distributed fairly across the association .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
what i was meant to say is being a high profile gaa players gets you benefits and favours in the community so some players are indirectly professionals proxy professional you could call them.

GAA is unique for a variety of reasons, "amateur status", closed transfer policy, inequitable provincial structures , financially and logistically advantaged counties.

Whereas I have no problem with committed players being looked after in terms of expenses, career opportunities etc. , it's unfair the way players from Dublin and some other counties have far more opportunities. If Dean Rock happened to be born in Tullow in Co Carlow, for example, he could never be afforded these opportunities unless he was to choose another sport (Seán O'brien started off as a GAA player, but had to choose Rugby to make the £££)
For this reason alone , The GAA needs to tidy up the guidelines around this. Though he should be paid for his time, expenses and loss of opportunity , the extra monies Dublin & other counties , and their players , make out of sponsorship , coaching , and gate receipts , should be distributed fairly across the association .
After several decades of involvement in GAA at various levels, now for the first time I see genuine anger re Dublin , and a fear that the Dublin juggernaut will destroy our association. The higher  echelons of the association appear to have  a hefty Dublin influence that isn't serving us well.
The latest manifestation of this is John Horan's apparent tolerance or disinterest in the partitioned approach to Covid, as he leads a supposedly 32 county organisation . In 2011 I was delighted to see the Dubs Winning  the All-ireland, as I felt it would be good for the association, in actual fact it has been an absolute disaster. In many ways I feel for the Dubs as their undoubtedly outstanding team, will never get the same credit as others given their enormous advantage.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 25, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
what i was meant to say is being a high profile gaa players gets you benefits and favours in the community so some players are indirectly professionals proxy professional you could call them.

GAA is unique for a variety of reasons, "amateur status", closed transfer policy, inequitable provincial structures , financially and logistically advantaged counties.

Whereas I have no problem with committed players being looked after in terms of expenses, career opportunities etc. , it's unfair the way players from Dublin and some other counties have far more opportunities. If Dean Rock happened to be born in Tullow in Co Carlow, for example, he could never be afforded these opportunities unless he was to choose another sport (Seán O'brien started off as a GAA player, but had to choose Rugby to make the £££)
For this reason alone , The GAA needs to tidy up the guidelines around this. Though he should be paid for his time, expenses and loss of opportunity , the extra monies Dublin & other counties , and their players , make out of sponsorship , coaching , and gate receipts , should be distributed fairly across the association .
After several decades of involvement in GAA at various levels, now for the first time I see genuine anger re Dublin , and a fear that the Dublin juggernaut will destroy our association. The higher  echelons of the association appear to have  a hefty Dublin influence that isn't serving us well.
The latest manifestation of this is John Horan's apparent tolerance or disinterest in the partitioned approach to Covid, as he leads a supposedly 32 county organisation . In 2011 I was delighted to see the Dubs Winning  the All-ireland, as I felt it would be good for the association, in actual fact it has been an absolute disaster. In many ways I feel for the Dubs as their undoubtedly outstanding team, will never get the same credit as others given their enormous advantage.

How teams are seen in the future is based on the popularity of the sport or the standing of the competition won in president day. Back in the day and up to the mid-'70's winning a Railway Cup medal was held in high prestige. Players craved to be on inter-provincial teams and win a national title.  Railway Cup medals were counted with AI's and Provincial medals when players did a tot of honours at the end of their career. Not today! They hold no weight and don't even exist. Somewhere it's popularity faded.  The present journey of the GAA is fraught with similar danger. Counties are losing interest, the general public are losing interest. The Dubs who are on the crest of a Tsunami are enjoying it for now. But the boredom will set in from now on. Dublin are going for their 15 Leinster title in 16 years and 10 in a row. It's fan sapping stuff.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 25, 2020, 05:17:26 PM
The boredom had already set in in Leinster.
Crowds way down last  few years.
6th Sam - if Horan/Ulster Council were to take a 32 County approach ye'd only be allowed 200 bodies at matches in the 6 this weekend.
I'm afraid Stormont and the Dáil havent been taken over by the GAA yet. :D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2020, 05:17:26 PM
The boredom had already set in in Leinster.
Crowds way down last  few years.
6th Sam - if Horan/Ulster Council were to take a 32 County approach ye'd only be allowed 200 bodies at matches in the 6 this weekend.
I'm afraid Stormont and the Dáil havent been taken over by the GAA yet. :D

I'm not suggesting that, but the GAA is the most powerful community organisation both sides of the border and like a lot of sports is  organised on an All-Ireland basis. It behoves the GAA particularly given its 32 county ethos to lobby politicians for a unified approach. That hasn't happened. No disrespect Rossfan but your opinion on this mattter carries less weight than those of us in the six counties and border counties who this effects directly. What worries me is that given the partitionist attitude of the last two taoisaigh, and others in the 26, that this attitude creeps into the GAA which would be an absolute disaster for the association
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 25, 2020, 11:49:01 PM
You're Ulster Council decided to let in more spectators than allowed in the 26. ;)
All opinions carry the same respect Sam.....one man one vote and all that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 26, 2020, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2020, 11:49:01 PM
You're Ulster Council decided to let in more spectators than allowed in the 26. ;)
All opinions carry the same respect Sam.....one man one vote and all that.
Totally agree re Ulster council. One man, one vote, one approach !
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 26, 2020, 12:14:46 AM
But 300 extra patrons at x £? per game is not to be sneezed at.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on July 26, 2020, 01:55:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2020, 11:49:01 PM
You're Ulster Council decided to let in more spectators than allowed in the 26. ;)
All opinions carry the same respect Sam.....one man one vote and all that.

The difference is that Ulster council were allowing a number that central council had advocated be allowed in. This was not the case the previous week.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on July 26, 2020, 09:21:10 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
what i was meant to say is being a high profile gaa players gets you benefits and favours in the community so some players are indirectly professionals proxy professional you could call them.

GAA is unique for a variety of reasons, "amateur status", closed transfer policy, inequitable provincial structures , financially and logistically advantaged counties.

Whereas I have no problem with committed players being looked after in terms of expenses, career opportunities etc. , it's unfair the way players from Dublin and some other counties have far more opportunities. If Dean Rock happened to be born in Tullow in Co Carlow, for example, he could never be afforded these opportunities unless he was to choose another sport (Seán O'brien started off as a GAA player, but had to choose Rugby to make the £££)
For this reason alone , The GAA needs to tidy up the guidelines around this. Though he should be paid for his time, expenses and loss of opportunity , the extra monies Dublin & other counties , and their players , make out of sponsorship , coaching , and gate receipts , should be distributed fairly across the association .
After several decades of involvement in GAA at various levels, now for the first time I see genuine anger re Dublin , and a fear that the Dublin juggernaut will destroy our association. The higher  echelons of the association appear to have  a hefty Dublin influence that isn't serving us well.
The latest manifestation of this is John Horan's apparent tolerance or disinterest in the partitioned approach to Covid, as he leads a supposedly 32 county organisation . In 2011 I was delighted to see the Dubs Winning  the All-ireland, as I felt it would be good for the association, in actual fact it has been an absolute disaster. In many ways I feel for the Dubs as their undoubtedly outstanding team, will never get the same credit as others given their enormous advantage.

How teams are seen in the future is based on the popularity of the sport or the standing of the competition won in president day. Back in the day and up to the mid-'70's winning a Railway Cup medal was held in high prestige. Players craved to be on inter-provincial teams and win a national title.  Railway Cup medals were counted with AI's and Provincial medals when players did a tot of honours at the end of their career. Not today! They hold no weight and don't even exist. Somewhere it's popularity faded.  The present journey of the GAA is fraught with similar danger. Counties are losing interest, the general public are losing interest. The Dubs who are on the crest of a Tsunami are enjoying it for now. But the boredom will set in from now on. Dublin are going for their 15 Leinster title in 16 years and 10 in a row. It's fan sapping stuff.

Inter county will fade away imo but only partly to do with what you're saying , covid19 will be with us for decades , we will never see full stadiums again and this will end the county scene eventually. The club scene will take over where crowds will be less and manageable.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on July 26, 2020, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 26, 2020, 09:21:10 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on July 25, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 25, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
what i was meant to say is being a high profile gaa players gets you benefits and favours in the community so some players are indirectly professionals proxy professional you could call them.

GAA is unique for a variety of reasons, "amateur status", closed transfer policy, inequitable provincial structures , financially and logistically advantaged counties.

Whereas I have no problem with committed players being looked after in terms of expenses, career opportunities etc. , it's unfair the way players from Dublin and some other counties have far more opportunities. If Dean Rock happened to be born in Tullow in Co Carlow, for example, he could never be afforded these opportunities unless he was to choose another sport (Seán O'brien started off as a GAA player, but had to choose Rugby to make the £££)
For this reason alone , The GAA needs to tidy up the guidelines around this. Though he should be paid for his time, expenses and loss of opportunity , the extra monies Dublin & other counties , and their players , make out of sponsorship , coaching , and gate receipts , should be distributed fairly across the association .
After several decades of involvement in GAA at various levels, now for the first time I see genuine anger re Dublin , and a fear that the Dublin juggernaut will destroy our association. The higher  echelons of the association appear to have  a hefty Dublin influence that isn't serving us well.
The latest manifestation of this is John Horan's apparent tolerance or disinterest in the partitioned approach to Covid, as he leads a supposedly 32 county organisation . In 2011 I was delighted to see the Dubs Winning  the All-ireland, as I felt it would be good for the association, in actual fact it has been an absolute disaster. In many ways I feel for the Dubs as their undoubtedly outstanding team, will never get the same credit as others given their enormous advantage.

How teams are seen in the future is based on the popularity of the sport or the standing of the competition won in president day. Back in the day and up to the mid-'70's winning a Railway Cup medal was held in high prestige. Players craved to be on inter-provincial teams and win a national title.  Railway Cup medals were counted with AI's and Provincial medals when players did a tot of honours at the end of their career. Not today! They hold no weight and don't even exist. Somewhere it's popularity faded.  The present journey of the GAA is fraught with similar danger. Counties are losing interest, the general public are losing interest. The Dubs who are on the crest of a Tsunami are enjoying it for now. But the boredom will set in from now on. Dublin are going for their 15 Leinster title in 16 years and 10 in a row. It's fan sapping stuff.

Inter county will fade away imo but only partly to do with what you're saying , covid19 will be with us for decades , we will never see full stadiums again and this will end the county scene eventually. The club scene will take over where crowds will be less and manageable.

No disrespect , but there is absolutely no way that this can be predicted .

I think club activity, and the buzz/ rivalry/income generation of Intercounty competition are the two bedrocks of the association which are not mutually exclusive .

The problem with the Intercounty game is the financial advantages of certain counties ( Dublin are the standout example of this) and the impact of the Intercounty game on the club game.

I think into the future , splitting Dublin (building on current high profile of Gaelic games in the capital ) , making Intercounty fixtures equitable , and having a more compact Intercounty season will stabilise and improve the GAA. I fear that Anything less than that is doomed to failure
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 26, 2020, 05:15:46 PM
There may be a need for Franchise teams. Ulster and Connacht  to amalgamate counties and enter teams into the hurling championship. The same may have to happen for smaller counties in football. Some counties may even vanish. Some have vanished already and are only there in name.

The GAA are not going to go back to the way the inter-county game use to be. They have invested to much money into Dublin GAA and Croke Park. It's all about Big games, Advertising, sponsorship, Corporate boxes and Big crowds. Most 3rd and 4th Division teams are a hassle and the creation of a tier two championship is the first step to weaning out the weaker counties and ignoring them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on July 29, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 29, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 29, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.

Like everything else that is fading. Many get transfers to city clubs where they are working. Franchise teams will see players play inter-county only. This will see us evolve into a model like Rugby have without the International option.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2020, 08:11:37 PM
The lack of International competition is one thing that will stop professional/franchise teams.
Some lads can be very quick to hop to the nearest Senior Club sadly :-\
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on July 30, 2020, 07:40:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2020, 08:11:37 PM
The lack of International competition is one thing that will stop professional/franchise teams.
Some lads can be very quick to hop to the nearest Senior Club sadly :-\

The franchise teams won't be professional, they'll just be an upgrade of how inter-county players are taken care of today. There'll be less teams in the inter-county system. So there will be more money to go around to these teams.

As well as pumping in ordinate amounts of money into Dublin GAA the Super 8's and two tier championship are the beginning stages of this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 08:50:38 AM
Would you class Kerry's County Championship as a "Franchise" system?
Or are you just talking amalgamation of small or hurling Counties in the AI football championship?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 29, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.

The thing is watching Liverpool and the premier league is very entertaining. Watching intercounty football is no longer entertaining as it is too predictable and one-sided.


You can go on for ever about the great model of lads playing for their home county but at the end of the day the first function of elite sport is to entertain the masses.

Intercounty Gaelic football no longer achieves this baseline requirement compared to how it did 10, 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 29, 2020, 05:35:17 PM
The good thing about gaa is play for clubs in places where they live or born unlike soccer where Liverpool is not really Liverpool  if they go franchise models you will see Tyrone players playing for some team like the cork city cheetahs or dublin player playing for the Belfast Bobcats.

The thing is watching Liverpool and the premier league is very entertaining. Watching intercounty football is no longer entertaining as it is too predictable and one-sided.


You can go on for ever about the great model of lads playing for their home county but at the end of the day the first function of elite sport is to entertain the masses.

Intercounty Gaelic football no longer achieves this baseline requirement compared to how it did 10, 20 years ago.

Thats because of tactics and rule tinkering.

Do you think ending every team people support and making them pick new franchises will fix that? Not interested in Sligo? Go and watch the West Coast Warriors. Dublin too strong? Enjoy the Fingal Flyers or Dun Laoighre Kingsmen.

Look at what the franchises did to club rugby. Look at how every soccer franchise (Kilkenny, Fingal, Kildare, Dublin City) died on its arse.

Fock. That.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 30, 2020, 11:14:19 AM
It's not even the fact that the dubs are hammering everyone that makes it so hard to watch. I grew up with it and the tactics that have been brought in by the top teams with all their coaching etc are tactics that teams at every level seem to try to replicate and they just can't and it can lead to some horrendous games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 11:27:05 AM
Well I disagree. If the problem is the game is so hard to watch then it seems strange

1- that games have never been so high scoring.
2- defenders attack and score like never before.

Rule changes in the GAA are largely pointless and are done to keep GAA on top of news content rather than much determination to improve the game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 11:41:34 AM
Seems we simply need to ban tactics 🙄 and turn the playing rules back to...???
If we had different AI winners nearly every year like 90s and Noughties we'd overcome the fact that football may be awful to watch.
You can't have "franchises" in an Amateur sport while the ruggerball had to set up the 4 Professional clubs to keep their best players at home.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
Franchises are definitely not going to improve the viewing quality. Nor will it increase likelihood of people wanting to attend games. I can't see too many being interested in the franshise teams. The one thing about following your county, even when they are p!sh poor and the quality is terrible, it's still your county. Manufacturing an identity won't work. Plus it'll never get past county boards. They won't vote for Christmas. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 30, 2020, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?
Roscommon is a Tudor era construct + ballagh when they moved - athlone and ballinasloe when  they moved
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on July 30, 2020, 03:16:14 PM
inter-county is the gaa equivalent of international
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 03:26:05 PM
The county system should be kept if at all possible but the GAA shouldn't be chained to it.

The purpose of competition is to find out who is the best. By that logic the Leinster championship has no purpose because we know Dublin are the best.

And if a competition had no purpose then why would you expect anyone to care about attending Leinster games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

Because its easy. Sit at home or on a barstool, follow the soap opera. Much easier than supporting a local side.

The problem with introducing franchises is the Fermanagh man who loses his team, assuming he sticks with the GAA, is as likely to support the Central Dublin Dreadnoughts or the Kilkenny Kights as he is his local franchise his club side.

Then you really have an imbalance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

Because its easy. Sit at home or on a barstool, follow the soap opera. Much easier than supporting a local side.

The problem with introducing franchises is the Fermanagh man who loses his team, assuming he sticks with the GAA, is as likely to support the Central Dublin Dreadnoughts or the Kilkenny Kights as he is his local franchise his club side.

Then you really have an imbalance.

Local franchise club side? You think they could build a competition model where a local Fermanagh club play central Dublin?

That would be imbalanced.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 04:55:58 PM
This discussion is getting dafter by the minute.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 04:56:15 PM
Take pride in your amateur volunteers, doing it for the love of their association.

https://www.otbsports.com/football/gaa-executive-pay-croke-park-averaged-e125845-2019-965684
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

Because its easy. Sit at home or on a barstool, follow the soap opera. Much easier than supporting a local side.

The problem with introducing franchises is the Fermanagh man who loses his team, assuming he sticks with the GAA, is as likely to support the Central Dublin Dreadnoughts or the Kilkenny Kights as he is his local franchise his club side.

Then you really have an imbalance.

Local franchise club side? You think they could build a competition model where a local Fermanagh club play central Dublin?

That would be imbalanced.

I am saying that not all current Fermanagh fans will follow the franchise that replaces them. Some might do what soccer fans do and pick whoever is winning when they are made to choose.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 07:37:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

Because its easy. Sit at home or on a barstool, follow the soap opera. Much easier than supporting a local side.

The problem with introducing franchises is the Fermanagh man who loses his team, assuming he sticks with the GAA, is as likely to support the Central Dublin Dreadnoughts or the Kilkenny Kights as he is his local franchise his club side.

Then you really have an imbalance.

Local franchise club side? You think they could build a competition model where a local Fermanagh club play central Dublin?

That would be imbalanced.

I am saying that not all current Fermanagh fans will follow the franchise that replaces them. Some might do what soccer fans do and pick whoever is winning when they are made to choose.

Perhaps but there is also a view that being paralyzed by fear so you stick within your current situation where you haven't seen your county lift a provincial title at any grade in your lifetime makes supporting GAA a, at best, unsatisfying experience.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 11:12:13 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 07:37:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

Because its easy. Sit at home or on a barstool, follow the soap opera. Much easier than supporting a local side.

The problem with introducing franchises is the Fermanagh man who loses his team, assuming he sticks with the GAA, is as likely to support the Central Dublin Dreadnoughts or the Kilkenny Kights as he is his local franchise his club side.

Then you really have an imbalance.

Local franchise club side? You think they could build a competition model where a local Fermanagh club play central Dublin?

That would be imbalanced.

I am saying that not all current Fermanagh fans will follow the franchise that replaces them. Some might do what soccer fans do and pick whoever is winning when they are made to choose.

Perhaps but there is also a view that being paralyzed by fear so you stick within your current situation where you haven't seen your county lift a provincial title at any grade in your lifetime makes supporting GAA a, at best, unsatisfying experience.

Becauae its strictly geography. You support your county and will be tolerated cheering on the wife or parents one. And most counties win nothing, never have, never will.

Remove that bond and tell someone from Waterford they follow the South Eastern Sunflakes or a Sligo man they flow the Connaught Rangers now, they may well go fock it, I follow Man U instead of Waterford United or Sligo Rovers already, why not cheer for the Central Dublin Spires or Kilkenny Tigerz? Same logic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 11:17:26 PM


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Becauae its strictly geography. You support your county and will be tolerated cheering on the wife or parents one.
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Or you don't because it's a waste of time and far worst than supporting an English premier league side.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 30, 2020, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: caprea link=topic=27376.msg1984181#msg1984181

Or you don't because it's a waste of time and far worst than supporting an English premier league side.

The vast majority of fans, real fans, not consumers, will be lucky to see their team win anything in their lifetime. That is sport in general. That has always neen the way and hasn't changed and I need convincing that abolishing the county system to give fewer teams a better chance is right or will work.

If you abolish most county sides I think you will see an even split between supporting the new franchise/sticking with the club and ignoring the franchise game/bandwagoning onto a successfull county/walking away entirely.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 30, 2020, 11:46:31 PM
Ah yeah, give intercounty 8-10 more years. If things don't come back to an even setting and it's dublin and Kerry winning every Sam in the intervening years then it's time to accept those two counties won Gaelic football and agree a move to a different competition model.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2020, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

But there is in the GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 31, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 11:46:31 PM
Ah yeah, give intercounty 8-10 more years. If things don't come back to an even setting and it's dublin and Kerry winning every Sam in the intervening years then it's time to accept those two counties won Gaelic football and agree a move to a different competition model.

That same point could have just as easily made 35 years ago. I suspect intercounty will still be here in 35 years time.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 11:46:31 PM
Ah yeah, give intercounty 8-10 more years. If things don't come back to an even setting and it's dublin and Kerry winning every Sam in the intervening years then it's time to accept those two counties won Gaelic football and agree a move to a different competition model.

That same point could have just as easily made 35 years ago. I suspect intercounty will still be here in 35 years time.

35 years ago there wasn't the population imbalance there is now. 35 years ago there was no TV deals.

I think you need to realize the GAA have pushed into being a business from the moment they decided to redevelop croke Park.

Everything that has been happening since and will happen in the future was the slow road to professionalism that the GAA not the GPA started.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2020, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

But there is in the GAA.

Yes, but if the product is shit/completely predictable compared to the English PL or NFL which it now is then people aren't going to be interested.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 31, 2020, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:06:45 PM

35 years ago there wasn't the population imbalance there is now.
There was. If anything it was worse. The only jobs for young people were, if not in Dublin, in London or New York.

Quote35 years ago there was no TV deals.

I think you need to realize the GAA have pushed into being a business from the moment they decided to redevelop croke Park.

Everything that has been happening since and will happen in the future was the slow road to professionalism that the GAA not the GPA started.
The GAA has been a business for my entire lifetime. And 30 years ago when sponsors names appeared on jerseys there was a lot of talk about a slow road to professionalism.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:25:38 PM
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2020, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:06:45 PM

35 years ago there wasn't the population imbalance there is now.
There was. If anything it was worse. The only jobs for young people were, if not in Dublin, in London or New York.

Quote

Wrong, rural population was 55% of total population in 1960. Now it is 36%. It's pretty much a straight line fall for the last 60 years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
Looking ahead there isn't and won't be the population to support a professional inter County football and hurling set up especially as the games are confined to 1 Country.
I suspect that by mid Century you might see top level hurling having some element of semi Professionalism in it like chaps taking time off work for a few months in the Summer and getting compensated.
Unique, historical, cultural heritage etc etc. Have to ensure the best players can devote themselves to improving skills etc.
Even then the Co system will remain but the main 9 hurling Counties apart from Kilkenny have pretty big populations.

The big population differences are among  the football Counties and the gap between the smaller rural football Counties and the rest won't be closing any time soon .
The one thing helping us to punch above our weight from time to time is the lack of any other major sport in our Counties.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 31, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:25:38 PM

Wrong, rural population was 55% of total population in 1960. Now it is 36%. It's pretty much a straight line fall for the last 60 years.

I'm not wrong (and you quickly changed the goalposts from 35 years ago to 1960). While there was on paper a reasonable population in the north and west of the country in the 80s, there was a dreadful youth unemployment problem which meant that hordes of young people in the 20-30 age bracket emigrated, including a lot of guys who would have made decent county footballers. Those who ended up working in Dublin had to face bad roads snaking through unbypassed towns to get home for county training and games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2020, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2020, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: caprea on July 30, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 30, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 30, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
Counties are manufactured too - by the Normans and English.
For example Ballyfarnon has nothing in common with Ballyforan except being within the lines drawn on a map by some Norman back in the 1200s.
However they're embedded in us now and from a GAA viewpoint have been there since the beginning.
However the question arises are Counties the best option any more for administering GAA affairs or for fielding representative teams?

Anyone alive now has grown up with their county. The chances of changing away from a county set up is minimal. You'd lose the attachment you had for your county and I don't believe that would transfer across to a franchise team. MAybe I'm wrong but that would be my opinion.

Why do you think people in Ireland support Liverpool or man utd? There's no attachment of place..

But there is in the GAA.

Yes, but if the product is shit/completely predictable compared to the English PL or NFL which it now is then people aren't going to be interested.

I actually agree. But I believe the change will be to break down the stronger areas (And we're talking Dublin here really) Down into smaller geographical areas. It's much easier to do. And for me will be the logical steps to take. The GAA don't want less teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 31, 2020, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:25:38 PM

Wrong, rural population was 55% of total population in 1960. Now it is 36%. It's pretty much a straight line fall for the last 60 years.

I'm not wrong (and you quickly changed the goalposts from 35 years ago to 1960). While there was on paper a reasonable population in the north and west of the country in the 80s, there was a dreadful youth unemployment problem which meant that hordes of young people in the 20-30 age bracket emigrated, including a lot of guys who would have made decent county footballers. Those who ended up working in Dublin had to face bad roads snaking through unbypassed towns to get home for county training and games.

You are wrong. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IRL/ireland/rural-population

If it's 1960 or any other year since the trend is constant gradual move from rural to urban.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on July 31, 2020, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:25:38 PM

Wrong, rural population was 55% of total population in 1960. Now it is 36%. It's pretty much a straight line fall for the last 60 years.

I'm not wrong (and you quickly changed the goalposts from 35 years ago to 1960). While there was on paper a reasonable population in the north and west of the country in the 80s, there was a dreadful youth unemployment problem which meant that hordes of young people in the 20-30 age bracket emigrated, including a lot sof guys who would have made decent county footballers. Those who ended up working in Dublin had to face bad roads snaking through unbypassed towns to get home for county training and games.

You are wrong. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IRL/ireland/rural-population

If it's 1960 or any other year since the trend is constant gradual move from rural to urban.

I'm not wrong. I made no claim in relation to trends since 1960, but merely made some observations about the 80s that you'll struggle to find in official statistics.

The population imbalance in GAA terms was at least as bad in 1985 as it is now (in my opinion it was worse) even if the overall statistical population imbalance has worsened since.

It's not a particularly complex or important point, and I suspect we're in agreement on the broad thrust here.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on July 31, 2020, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2020, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: five points on July 31, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: caprea on July 31, 2020, 12:25:38 PM
you'll struggle to find in official statistics.

You may struggle but I won't and I've provided them to you.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on July 31, 2020, 08:04:23 PM
if dublin is split does that mean the club teams will be split aswell so we could see a north dublin club championship
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on July 31, 2020, 09:34:30 PM
There is not a hope in hell dublin will be split up. Absolutely not a chance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2020, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 31, 2020, 08:04:23 PM
if dublin is split does that mean the club teams will be split aswell so we could see a north dublin club championship

Presumably. How many clubs in the Corpo area? I make it 14 or so, with 4 senior football and 5 hurling. So the Central Dublin Capitals become, by a mile, the smallest county by participation and club numbers

The Dun Laoighre Kingsmen are a mid level hurling power and the Fingal Flyers and South Dublin Moneyballs both are decent football teams with zero fans.
Who pays for your facilities if your cash cow has less players than Leitrim?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2020, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Astoundingly that appears to be the case.

YLSNED
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Substandard on August 01, 2020, 01:15:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2020, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Astoundingly that appears to be the case.

YLSNED
Had to google YLSNED.

YLSNED.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 01, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\

Solves the problem of Dublin's advantages but causes or doesn't solve other problems
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 01, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\

Solves the problem of Dublin's advantages but causes or doesn't solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 01, 2020, 01:35:53 PM
The GAA has brought in the Tailteann Cup for the smaller Counties plus the Hurling Counties plus the 2 or 3 inept Counties
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 01, 2020, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 01, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\

Solves the problem of Dublin's advantages but causes or doesn't solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

Where do you suggest the 4 dublin teams play their home games? Croke Park I imagine.

The proud south dublin Steelers who play in the heart of the north side. Not going to be great for building a brand identity or sense of ownership of the team.

The problems it won't solve are Kildare and Meath's growing population advantages over Laois, Wexford etc.which is the same ticking time bomb Dublin's advantages were 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 01, 2020, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 31, 2020, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 31, 2020, 08:04:23 PM
if dublin is split does that mean the club teams will be split aswell so we could see a north dublin club championship

Presumably. How many clubs in the Corpo area? I make it 14 or so, with 4 senior football and 5 hurling. So the Central Dublin Capitals become, by a mile, the smallest county by participation and club numbers

The Dun Laoighre Kingsmen are a mid level hurling power and the Fingal Flyers and South Dublin Moneyballs both are decent football teams with zero fans.
Who pays for your facilities if your cash cow has less players than Leitrim?
I agree with you here. Just splitting Dublin, in any number of units, could cause more problems than it would solve.
But it is important to remember that at least 90 per cent of the population of Leitrim follow GAA affairs, whereas only 10 per cent at most of Dubs do likewise.
I have said before that the greater Finglas area has roughly the same size population as County Cavan but, to all intents and purposes, Finglas has only one that counts, Erin's Isle, a mid- sized senior club and about middle of the ranking.
Leitrim won't win an AI but the future of the GAA is more assured
than it is in Dublin and not just Finglas.
So, should Dublin be split or not be split, that is the question, as Shakespeare might put it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2020, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 01, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\

Solves the problem of Dublin's advantages but causes or doesn't solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

One of your four counties has 14 odd clubs, a second 5.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 08:34:05 PM
I am not advocating any particular boundaries for a Dublin split, so comments about nunber of clubs does not refute my point.
However, more clubs in Dublin are badly needed also.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 01, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2020, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 01, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\

Solves the problem of Dublin's advantages but causes or doesn't solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

One of your four counties has 14 odd clubs, a second 5.

Time for Volunteers to work harder ;D
And how many playing members would those clubs have?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on August 03, 2020, 12:49:05 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Are you suggesting that Dublin planned the Famine?!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 03, 2020, 11:17:46 AM
No, but as I pointed out before the present population differences were much less when the GAA chose to use counties. Clubs are supposed to be the bedrock of the GAA but they both subdivide and join and if an area has population growth it should have more clubs. Why should counties be immutable?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 03, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
Back in the 1880s of horse drawn and steam train transport and postal communication only The County-Provincial- National idea of Governance and consequent competition was the only logical way to run an organisation.
With the vast differences in populations among the Counties nowadays plus e communication etc there isn't much logic in the County system or Provincial Councils either.
However  County loyalty is embedded emotionally in GAA people so hard to see it ever changing for represenative gaelic games.
Maybe possible in the lower ranks of hurling where interest in hurling is negligible but not likely in football.

However if the Dublin juggernaut goes on to 9 or 10 in a row the growing lack of interest and €€€€€€s may cause some rethinking.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 03, 2020, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 03, 2020, 12:49:05 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\
Yup. The population of Mayo in the early 1840s was greater than that of Dublin.

Are you suggesting that Dublin planned the Famine?!
What?? Are you suggesting them conniving bastards didn't? ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2020, 12:45:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 01, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 01, 2020, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 01, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 01, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 31, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Splitting Dublin into 4 is a no brainer but until Central GAA and the other 31 Counties get some backbone and push it through we won't be seeing it.
Rural depopukation in the BMW ( and most other Counties) has been ongoing since 1845 :-\

Solves the problem of Dublin's advantages but causes or doesn't solve other problems

It is a not a valid criticism of a solution to a problem to say that it doesn't solve other problems.
What other problems does it cause?

One of your four counties has 14 odd clubs, a second 5.

Time for Volunteers to work harder ;D
And how many playing members would those clubs have?


The county of Dun Laoighre Rathdown has 218,000 souls. 7th most populous county in the land. More than Limerick, Armagh, Kerry, Mayo, Tipp, Kilkenny and so on.

It has 9 GAA clubs out of  the 134 in Dublin. You have Crokes, a huge club that traditionally was the whole catchment area. The original superclub. You have Cuala, a small club set up in the 70s having the GDP of a small African nation pumped in to give the real Dublin money a club. We can discuss bang for buck, but it has worked.

Then you have Olafs and Balinteer ST Johns, mid sized, decent, clubs.

The rest are 9th division public park stuff.

So you have 3 senior hurling and 4 football.

By contrast,  there are 27 soccer clubs, 2 are semi pro.

How the fock does that translate to a county setup?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 16, 2020, 11:03:43 AM
Volunteers need to work harder :D
How many of the 39,000 registered playing members in Dublin are with DLR Clubs?
More than in Leitrim or Fermanagh I suspect.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on August 16, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
They have the population to set up many more clubs, it's not an issue of population or potential playing numbers.
If they were split, I'm sure that would be resolved very quickly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 16, 2020, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 03, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
Back in the 1880s of horse drawn and steam train transport and postal communication only The County-Provincial- National idea of Governance and consequent competition was the only logical way to run an organisation.
With the vast differences in populations among the Counties nowadays plus e communication etc there isn't much logic in the County system or Provincial Councils either.
However  County loyalty is embedded emotionally in GAA people so hard to see it ever changing for represenative gaelic games.
Maybe possible in the lower ranks of hurling where interest in hurling is negligible but not likely in football.

However if the Dublin juggernaut goes on to 9 or 10 in a row the growing lack of interest and €€€€€€s may cause some rethinking.
Have to agree with you, Ross if things  continue on their present course, Dublin  will banjax the entire intercounty system. Problem is that splitting Dublin into its four constituent counties, as things stand,
could impact on the survival of the same system.
I've mentioned before that, while Cavan has 41 affiliated clubs, Erin's Isle, a mid-sized club in Finglas, has a catchment area with more or less the same population as Cavan.
In percentage terms, Dublin has the least support of all counties and splitting it in four will cause more problems than it could solve. Many Dubs won't agree with me but the sheer size of the majority of the county's clubs means the don't have the parish connection that is the backbone of rural clubs throughout the land. From decades of experience in dealing with schools' GAA, I can definitely say that big clubs turn off small boys.
Dunno what, if anything, can be done. Dublin won't increase the number of clubs nor limit the numbers in any existing ones either. Things cannot continue the way they are now but I have no idea what is going to happen.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2020, 06:43:40 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 16, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
They have the population to set up many more clubs, it's not an issue of population or potential playing numbers.
If they were split, I'm sure that would be resolved very quickly.

If Dublin was split in 4, what would be resolved? The fact that in 2 of the 4 counties Gaelic games would be a genuine minority sport and the 2 that would be possibly workable have no stadiums.

The idea that what is holding back gaelic games in DLR and DCC is simply a lack of effort is laughable
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2020, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2020, 11:03:43 AM
Volunteers need to work harder :D
How many of the 39,000 registered playing members in Dublin are with DLR Clubs?
More than in Leitrim or Fermanagh I suspect.

I would guess about 3,000 with half at Crokes alone.

If Leitrim are Fermanagh are the target for the Dun Laoighre Kingsmen to aspire to, can we not bother please?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2020, 07:15:35 PM
The Dublin squad of 31 that won Sam by county and population.

DCC 17 (528,000)
South Dublin 3 (279,000)
Fingal 4 (296,000)
DLR 7 (218,000)

So you could actually argue on a current sporting level that the Dublin Metros franchise playing in Croker will still be dominant and the other three would struggle. So all you are doing is telling 750,000 folk that they have to pick a new team, which most won't, and we are in the same place but with a bill of north of €50m for three stadiums for three teams nobody is likely to give a shit about.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 16, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Sure they'll all cuckoo into Croke Park like ye're current 4 County combination.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2020, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 16, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Sure they'll all cuckoo into Croke Park like ye're current 4 County combination.

Yeah, 5,000 in Croker to watch the Dun Laoighre Seamen get tanked by Wexford. Can see that being a long term plan.

Who doesn't play in Croker to accomodate, considering all you rurals believe it your right?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Shamrock Shore on August 17, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 17, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

Look at the state of St Francis Gaels... Thats not an argument

You would be foolish to the point of lying to claim Gaelic Games are 'bigger' than rugby and soccer in DLR
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 17, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

Look at the state of St Francis Gaels... Thats not an argument

You would be foolish to the point of lying to claim Gaelic Games are 'bigger' than rugby and soccer in DLR
It's ironic that while Dublin is the only county in Ireland where Gaa is a minority sport , it has totally  dominated Gaelic football for the past decade. Intercounty dominance to such an extent is likely to
Lead to complacency and loss of interest, presenting further challenges for the inefficient club structures in Dublin. Splitting Dublin , and indeed Dublin super-clubs, must now be considered to ensure sustainability of this "minority" sport in the capital. This will hopefully open doors for far more aspiring GAA players in Dublin, develop more local interest in the GAA and stimulate growth.

Those who have lauded the formation of "East Belfast" GAA, which eats into the catchment area of local clubs, will argue that local clubs have welcomed the inclusion of a new club , in stimulating GAA in that area. Could this be a model Dublin GAA could consider to develop their "minority sport"?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 10:51:51 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.

So thats less clubs than we have now...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 17, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
GAA is NOT a minority sport in DLR.

All you have to do is look at the state of Blackrock Rugby Club. FFS they were on the verge of being Cuala's bitch.

Look at the state of St Francis Gaels... Thats not an argument

You would be foolish to the point of lying to claim Gaelic Games are 'bigger' than rugby and soccer in DLR
It's ironic that while Dublin is the only county in Ireland where Gaa is a minority sport , it has totally  dominated Gaelic football for the past decade. Intercounty dominance to such an extent is likely to
Lead to complacency and loss of interest, presenting further challenges for the inefficient club structures in Dublin. Splitting Dublin , and indeed Dublin super-clubs, must now be considered to ensure sustainability of this "minority" sport in the capital. This will hopefully open doors for far more aspiring GAA players in Dublin, develop more local interest in the GAA and stimulate growth.

Those who have lauded the formation of "East Belfast" GAA, which eats into the catchment area of local clubs, will argue that local clubs have welcomed the inclusion of a new club , in stimulating GAA in that area. Could this be a model Dublin GAA could consider to develop their "minority sport"?

Thats nonsense. We now have a situation where most of Dublin now has a club, that wasn't the case before,  and a winning intercounty side, which definitely wasn't the case before. Thats what drives interest. That is down to the superclub structure. I have issues with it, but there isn't enough land for houses, where are these spin off new clubs going to be located?

Cuala renting off a soccer club and playing in a public park worked, but it cost millions. You want to risk replicating that times a hundred?

My major issue with the superclub model is Gaelic games in the capital is now a middle class game, the working class clubs were jettisoned. But at least there was a strategy.

Telling these new players and parents that the modern, safe, local superclub is gone, or at least to them, can you please drop your kids to the park, won't fly. We know you used to have a coffee and a read of tbe paper when training was on, but sure you can shelter in the car. We know your kid had county underage ambition, but the new club with new coaches and no facilities will do grand. Soccer and rugby clubs will hoover them up.

I don't think non Dubs get the competition we have and tbe reality that for lots of us, other sports have better facilites, more volunteers, more money and are better ingrained. But we have the Dubs as an aspiration for kids and a day out. Other sports don't.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2020, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

New smaller clubs in certain areas. However, space then would be a major issue I suppose for pitches etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn't make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn't make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

I would definitely agree with bolstering clubs, especially those left behind in poorer areas. The middling clubs are now dying too.

I'm not sure setting up new clubs in public parks will work, although definitely superclubs can be cold, souless places. Will players and parents ditch the facilites and winning culture to change in a ditch at a club that has purism?

Kilmacud are right beside serious soccer clubs like Cabinteely, Broadford, Leicester Celtic, Glenmore Dundrum, and you also have rugby, hockey etc. Be very happy they have them at 12f level. The dynamic of how you get them in and keep them is different in Dublin. Public parks aren't likely to draw interest when there are 20 sporting options within a 10 minute drive
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn't make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

I would definitely agree with bolstering clubs, especially those left behind in poorer areas. The middling clubs are now dying too.

I'm not sure setting up new clubs in public parks will work, although definitely superclubs can be cold, souless places. Will players and parents ditch the facilites and winning culture to change in a ditch at a club that has purism?

Kilmacud are right beside serious soccer clubs like Cabinteely, Broadford, Leicester Celtic, Glenmore Dundrum, and you also have rugby, hockey etc. Be very happy they have them at 12f level. The dynamic of how you get them in and keep them is different in Dublin. Public parks aren't likely to draw interest when there are 20 sporting options within a 10 minute drive

Those that would advocate spending money on GAA stadia should realise that strategically increasing resources at grass roots has much more value. Clubs Sharing of accessible quality venues, eg floodlit 4G makes most sense. Rugby and soccer have their own challenges at elite and grassroots level, GAA has an opportunity to steal a march on them. As it stands , GAA in Dublin under the current system has peaked and failure to respond will see an inevitable decline . Introducing an extra elite team in this area could transform the environment. Think of rangers/celtic . Celtic are going for 10 in a row but the early years of dominance were stale , until the recent re-emergence of a cross city rival. Baile Brigin you quite rightly challenge outdated GAA rules, why then preserve outdated Intercounty boundaries?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 17, 2020, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Bring in a rule that a club has to define a catchment area of no more than 10,000 Irish citizens.  That should be big enough.
Are Gaelic games to be restricted to Irish Citizens???
Population 1,400,000  would give you 140 Clubs and get rid of the SuperClubs who'll soon have more players than Leitrim or Fermanagh.

Get rid of the superclubs and replace them with what?

It doesn't make sense to get rid of super clubs, but there is undoubtedly value exploring the introduction of new clubs, or bolstering failing clubs, where population and public facilities allow. Super clubs as they stand are inefficient. I wonder how many of the Kilmacud u12 F team continue to play GAA?

I would definitely agree with bolstering clubs, especially those left behind in poorer areas. The middling clubs are now dying too.

I'm not sure setting up new clubs in public parks will work, although definitely superclubs can be cold, souless places. Will players and parents ditch the facilites and winning culture to change in a ditch at a club that has purism?

Kilmacud are right beside serious soccer clubs like Cabinteely, Broadford, Leicester Celtic, Glenmore Dundrum, and you also have rugby, hockey etc. Be very happy they have them at 12f level. The dynamic of how you get them in and keep them is different in Dublin. Public parks aren't likely to draw interest when there are 20 sporting options within a 10 minute drive

Those that would advocate spending money on GAA stadia should realise that strategically increasing resources at grass roots has much more value. Clubs Sharing of accessible quality venues, eg floodlit 4G makes most sense. Rugby and soccer have their own challenges at elite and grassroots level, GAA has an opportunity to steal a march on them. As it stands , GAA in Dublin under the current system has peaked and failure to respond will see an inevitable decline . Introducing an extra elite team in this area could transform the environment. Think of rangers/celtic . Celtic are going for 10 in a row but the early years of dominance were stale , until the recent re-emergence of a cross city rival. Baile Brigin you quite rightly challenge outdated GAA rules, why then preserve outdated Intercounty boundaries?

Enter what elite team where?

I am challenging why intercounty boundaries would be changed and the inevitable disaster it would be
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I don't know the demographics of Dublin and it's GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I don't know the demographics of Dublin and it's GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I don't know the demographics of Dublin and it's GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent "success breeds success" effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there's a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I don't know the demographics of Dublin and it's GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent "success breeds success" effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there's a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

Dublin has always had this advantage. Was never an issue before.

But what better way?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 18, 2020, 12:06:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I don't know the demographics of Dublin and it's GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent "success breeds success" effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there's a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

Dublin has always had this advantage. Was never an issue before.

But what better way?

Ah yes, the Dublin has always had an advantage - Was never an issue before.

How long are Dublin playing League Home Games in Croke Park.

How long are Dublin getting extra funding for their GDO's?

How long are Dublin Getting to use the same dressing room in Croke Park?

How long are Dublin not playing away fixtures in the Leinster Championship?

How long have they had a main sponsor?

They have not always had the above advantages.

The Answer to most of these is 20 (maybe 30) years or less! So to say Dublin have always had these advantages is short sighted.

Most of these advantages have come in incrementally, nearly under the radar.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 01:49:17 AM
Dublin hasn't always had this advantage. When the GAA was founded or 30 years later Dublin's population wasn't several time that of other counties and many of those people were British soldiers and administrators.
There is a growing problem and nobody can deny it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 08:02:40 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 18, 2020, 12:06:41 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 10:09:31 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 17, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 17, 2020, 02:16:47 PM
I don't know the demographics of Dublin and it's GAA base, but it needs to be explored in detail to determine a sustainable model for the future. If the status quo is best , long term, for Dublin AND for the GAA as a whole then it should be able to stand up to scrutiny.
What does?

The fact that Dublin has a massive advantage over other counties by population , sponsorship, resources , provincial system etc .& their recent "success breeds success" effect has exacerbated their advantage . Uniquely as a county ,Gaa remains a minority sport in Dublin. Surely there's a better way for Dublin and the GAA as a whole .

Dublin has always had this advantage. Was never an issue before.

But what better way?

Ah yes, the Dublin has always had an advantage - Was never an issue before.

How long are Dublin playing League Home Games in Croke Park.

How long are Dublin getting extra funding for their GDO's?

How long are Dublin Getting to use the same dressing room in Croke Park?

How long are Dublin not playing away fixtures in the Leinster Championship?

How long have they had a main sponsor?

They have not always had the above advantages.

The Answer to most of these is 20 (maybe 30) years or less! So to say Dublin have always had these advantages is short sighted.

Most of these advantages have come in incrementally, nearly under the radar.

They are decisions taken to maximise revenue for your club and county. They are easy decisions to reverse without destroying the game.

If you think Dublin's success is down to what dressing room they have in Croker...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 01:49:17 AM
Dublin hasn't always had this advantage. When the GAA was founded or 30 years later Dublin's population wasn't several time that of other counties and many of those people were British soldiers and administrators.
There is a growing problem and nobody can deny it.

Those administrators were replaced by culchies, none of whom identity with Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 09:11:24 AM
Those administrators were replaced by culchies who form the backbone of Dublin clubs and whose children play for Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 09:11:24 AM
Those administrators were replaced by culchies who form the backbone of Dublin clubs and whose children play for Dublin.

That certainly used to be the case. But then Dubs got involved, we are now winning and the culchies are complaining.

But the reality is a huge number of our eligible playing pool go home of the weekend and play for the club of their forefathers. Culchies whinge when they transfer.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:10:50 AM
If the aim was to provide as fair a championship as possible and find the part of the country with the best footballers then the solution would be to give every political constituency a team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Now there is an interesting exercise. Would Newry and Armagh beat West Tyrone.?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though

And county borders haven't since ... 250 years?

I'm not saying to split teams by political constituencies. I'm saying it would be the fairest resolution. The fairest resolution is not always the right solution.

The problem with intercounty competition is that there are far too many counties/teams for a country of our size. It results in a list of at least 15 counties/teams that are largely pointless in adding any thing substantive to the competition year in year out.

A long long list that is getting longer of teams making up the numbers that get chewed up and spat out by the teams with actual quality.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though

And county borders haven't since ... 250 years?

I'm not saying to split teams by political constituencies. I'm saying it would be the fairest resolution. The fairest resolution is not always the right solution.

The problem with intercounty competition is that there are far too many counties/teams for a country of our size. It results in a list of at least 15 counties/teams that are largely pointless in adding any thing substantive to the competition year in year out.

A long long list that is getting longer of teams making up the numbers that get chewed up and spat out by the teams with actual quality.

So 32 counties are too many, lets change to 57 constituencies .

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though

And county borders haven't since ... 250 years?

I'm not saying to split teams by political constituencies. I'm saying it would be the fairest resolution. The fairest resolution is not always the right solution.

The problem with intercounty competition is that there are far too many counties/teams for a country of our size. It results in a list of at least 15 counties/teams that are largely pointless in adding any thing substantive to the competition year in year out.

A long long list that is getting longer of teams making up the numbers that get chewed up and spat out by the teams with actual quality.

So 32 counties are too many, lets change to 57 constituencies .

Can you point out where I said that? I can point out three times I said the opposition. Please read posts a minimum of three times in future so to understand them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though

And county borders haven't since ... 250 years?

I'm not saying to split teams by political constituencies. I'm saying it would be the fairest resolution. The fairest resolution is not always the right solution.

The problem with intercounty competition is that there are far too many counties/teams for a country of our size. It results in a list of at least 15 counties/teams that are largely pointless in adding any thing substantive to the competition year in year out.

A long long list that is getting longer of teams making up the numbers that get chewed up and spat out by the teams with actual quality.

So 32 counties are too many, lets change to 57 constituencies .

Can you point out where I said that? I can point out three times I said the opposition. Please read posts a minimum of three times in future so to understand them.

You argued the fairest solution to too many county sides is to almost double the number of sides. I did read your post 3 times, and it still doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:15:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though

And county borders haven't since ... 250 years?

I'm not saying to split teams by political constituencies. I'm saying it would be the fairest resolution. The fairest resolution is not always the right solution.

The problem with intercounty competition is that there are far too many counties/teams for a country of our size. It results in a list of at least 15 counties/teams that are largely pointless in adding any thing substantive to the competition year in year out.

A long long list that is getting longer of teams making up the numbers that get chewed up and spat out by the teams with actual quality.

So 32 counties are too many, lets change to 57 constituencies .

Can you point out where I said that? I can point out three times I said the opposition. Please read posts a minimum of three times in future so to understand them.

You argued the fairest solution to too many county sides is to almost double the number of sides. I did read your post 3 times, and it still doesn't make sense.

I guess reading is one thing, having powers of comprehension is something else. Good night.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:15:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 18, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: caprea on August 18, 2020, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2020, 11:14:39 AM
A few Constituencies in the 6 Counties would have difficulty fielding a team!

Well fair enough then, if they don't have a team they don't have a team. If you want to actually find the region of Ireland with the best footballers then this is the fairest solution.

I'm not saying I want this, I'm just saying his is the best solution to the inequities of the current system in terms of being fair.

Political constituencies change all the time though

And county borders haven't since ... 250 years?

I'm not saying to split teams by political constituencies. I'm saying it would be the fairest resolution. The fairest resolution is not always the right solution.

The problem with intercounty competition is that there are far too many counties/teams for a country of our size. It results in a list of at least 15 counties/teams that are largely pointless in adding any thing substantive to the competition year in year out.

A long long list that is getting longer of teams making up the numbers that get chewed up and spat out by the teams with actual quality.

So 32 counties are too many, lets change to 57 constituencies .

Can you point out where I said that? I can point out three times I said the opposition. Please read posts a minimum of three times in future so to understand them.

You argued the fairest solution to too many county sides is to almost double the number of sides. I did read your post 3 times, and it still doesn't make sense.

I guess reading is one thing, having powers of comprehension is something else. Good night.

Thanks for dropping by. Everyone gets a medal for showing up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2020, 06:53:23 PM
No shortage of €€€€€s

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-step-up-efforts-for-two-centres-of-excellence-with-purchase-of-hollystown-golf-club-site-39702585.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on November 03, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 03, 2020, 06:53:23 PM
No shortage of €€€€€s

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-step-up-efforts-for-two-centres-of-excellence-with-purchase-of-hollystown-golf-club-site-39702585.html

With their GDO's all furloughed at the moment it's good to see their spending the spare money on something useful.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 03, 2020, 07:28:24 PM
Well done Dublin!

Had forgotten about ye with all that covid stuff.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 03, 2020, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 03, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 03, 2020, 06:53:23 PM
No shortage of €€€€€s

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-step-up-efforts-for-two-centres-of-excellence-with-purchase-of-hollystown-golf-club-site-39702585.html

With their GDO's all furloughed at the moment it's good to see their spending the spare money on something useful.
Who is going into schools coaching?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2020, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 03, 2020, 06:53:23 PM
No shortage of €€€€€s

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-step-up-efforts-for-two-centres-of-excellence-with-purchase-of-hollystown-golf-club-site-39702585.html

They can't afford to start on the Spawell and are trying to shift 9 acres for housing to fund the pitches yet can afford this?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mayo Border on November 07, 2020, 07:50:37 PM
Why is the Dublin Westmeath match being played in Laois? Is it not a home game for Westmeath?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 07, 2020, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on November 07, 2020, 07:50:37 PM
Why is the Dublin Westmeath match being played in Laois? Is it not a home game for Westmeath?
Probably due to no floodlights in Mullingar
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on November 07, 2020, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 07, 2020, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on November 07, 2020, 07:50:37 PM
Why is the Dublin Westmeath match being played in Laois? Is it not a home game for Westmeath?
Probably due to no floodlights in Mullingar

Games can be played in daylight too. It didn't have to be at 6.15pm. And there are floodlight in Mullingar - just not in Cusack Park. Could easily have been played under lights in St.Loman's. But TV dictates.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 09:22:01 PM
Mullingar couldn't hold the crowd.......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on November 08, 2020, 03:11:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 09:22:01 PM
Mullingar couldn't hold the crowd.......

Or the Dublin backroom team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Dublin ladies into the AI final. Going for 4 in a row! Another one in a generation team!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 28, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Dublin ladies into the AI final. Going for 4 in a row! Another one in a generation team!

Yes - take them out of Croke Park  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 28, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Dublin ladies into the AI final. Going for 4 in a row! Another one in a generation team!

Yes - take them out of Croke Park  ::)

I'll be cheering for Dublin in the final, who ever it is they are playing? Does it matter?



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on November 28, 2020, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Dublin ladies into the AI final. Going for 4 in a row! Another one in a generation team!

Was a good game. Dublin just had that  wee bit more experience than us
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: BennyCake on November 28, 2020, 10:18:10 PM
There's an All Ireland in that ladies team of ours.

A great effort tonight.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 29, 2020, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 28, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Dublin ladies into the AI final. Going for 4 in a row! Another one in a generation team!

Yes - take them out of Croke Park  ::)

I'll be cheering for Dublin in the final, who ever it is they are playing? Does it matter?

Well if it's Cork in the final you'll have to support Dublin. Cork already have a five-in-a-row and a six-in-a-row under their belts - and those two runs were separated by only one year. If that goes on it will destroy the game and the sky will fall and we'll all be ruined.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 29, 2020, 01:08:44 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 29, 2020, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 28, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 28, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
Dublin ladies into the AI final. Going for 4 in a row! Another one in a generation team!

Yes - take them out of Croke Park  ::)

I'll be cheering for Dublin in the final, who ever it is they are playing? Does it matter?

Well if it's Cork in the final you'll have to support Dublin. Cork already have a five-in-a-row and a six-in-a-row under their belts - and those two runs were separated by only one year. If that goes on it will destroy the game and the sky will fall and we'll all be ruined.

I'll be cheering ye on!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 04, 2020, 07:57:55 PM
National Broadcaster Sports news.

Item 1 Cuala announce new coach
Item 2 All Ireland football semi finals
Item 3 All Ireland Lgfa semi final.

Mention of Laois re-apointing hurling manager ...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 06, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1206/1182664-help-other-counties-before-its-too-late-says-kelly/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 06, 2020, 01:05:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 06, 2020, 12:14:04 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1206/1182664-help-other-counties-before-its-too-late-says-kelly/

Oh poor Sean! The President who is the root and cause of where we are! I'd say he's well popular in Kerry!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on December 09, 2020, 07:27:08 AM
Most of the stuff in that article is absolutely correct, but it does bug me when a so-called journalist leaves a massive omission and a downright lie, just because it wouldn't suit the rest of the article.

There's not a single mention of the one area that has given Dublin the most players in the current era - Ballymun! To say largely recruited from Dalkey and Castleknock is just false. There's no interest in truth, there's a point to be made and giving an accurate picture would only muddy the waters.

But Dublin city centre is compete soccer heartland. People talk about Dublin's population, and willfully ignore all the non-Dubs, but many don't realize the amount of Dublin people in middle class areas who have absolutely no interest in GAA, and the amount of people, particularly in working class areas, who hate the GAA and hate the brand 'the Dubs'.

There's a whole generation of soccer loving Dubliners in their 50s and older who hate the GAA because of treatment they received. So many stories like Con Martin who played mainly with Villa and Ireland , but won a Leinster with the Dubs and wasn't given his medal for about 40 years because he played soccer. And Liam Brady was expelled from his school because he played a youth international with Ireland rather than a Gaelic match with his school! And those were obviously the tip of the iceberg.

So as well as your elders giving you that information, as mentioned in the article, there's also no facilities in inner city and no club identity, so GAA has made little inroads.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 09, 2020, 03:59:46 PM
Dublin gaa have made no attempt to put facilities into the city
Grangegorman was probably the only club pitches inside the canals and are they gone now?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: screenexile on December 09, 2020, 05:05:45 PM
Always had a lot of time for McCaffrey a phenomenal footballer and a decent lad off the field by all accounts I wish him well!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 09, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 09, 2020, 05:05:45 PM
Always had a lot of time for McCaffrey a phenomenal footballer and a decent lad off the field by all accounts I wish him well!
One of the few non robobit Dublin footballers. Arguably their most talented player and his personality makes him a very likeable chap.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on December 09, 2020, 06:06:51 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

Must listen to that. Sounds like a good interview.

McCaffrey's profession has got to be a factor too.

I don't know what stage he is at in his career or what his specialty is, but young doctors go through hell qualifying for a few years, and he could still be spending half his time studying and reading to build his knowledge, assuming he's not up to his ears in COVID.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: BennyCake on December 09, 2020, 06:12:28 PM
I thought maybe it was the Covid situation and his profession that forced his hand into taking a year out.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

You'd want to relax a small bit. It was meant tongue in cheek.

But you continue with the paranoia.  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Oh your from Kildare.  Bringing Seanie on to kick a 21 free when hammering us.  Just embarrassing. I never forget the abuse we got from minority of Kildare support.  Seanie got a nice lump sum of it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:26:04 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Oh your from Kildare.  Bringing Seanie on to kick a 21 free when hammering us.  Just embarrassing. I never forget the abuse we got from minority of Kildare support.  Seanie got a nice lump sum of it.

Can't disagree with you, it was embarrassing. The whole episode was. It was something I was never comfortable with.

Having said all that my initial post was never intended to be a slight on Jack McCaffrey. I don't know the chap at all.

And no I don't have a horn for the Dubs as you stated. But I'm entitled to voice my opinion on the state of gaelic football at the moment. All brought on by the Gaa themselves. As a member of the association it concerns me greatly.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 09, 2020, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

It's a growing trend, not going to Inter-county matches. The GAA had to invent the Super 8 to make up the shortfall in revenue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 09, 2020, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

It's a growing trend, not going to Inter-county matches. The GAA had to invent the Super 8 to make up the shortfall in revenue.

Im getting my buzz from the club game now. More honest.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

1st inter county game I was at was in the 90s when Dubs beat Kildare. 20 something years on and that's still the case today. All that bitterness means you're missing out on some great days out. You should join the bandwagon. Sure Kildare is the greater Dublin area at this stage. Even a staunch Mayo man like FTB has joined Team Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 09, 2020, 09:41:50 PM
No Center of excellence
The hurlers play in a shithole
Failed to grow the game between the canals
The smaller clubs have shit facilities while the bigger clubs get bigger and bigger!

This is the model everyone else has to aspire too?

Amazing how Dublin GAA keep pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 09, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

1st inter county game I was at was in the 90s when Dubs beat Kildare. 20 something years on and that's still the case today. All that bitterness means you're missing out on some great days out. You should join the bandwagon. Sure Kildare is the greater Dublin area at this stage. Even a staunch Mayo man like FTB has joined Team Dublin.

No more buying tickets and going to games - that end up funding the enemy. There is no choice left but to watch on the TV and cheer Dublin. The bigger the win the happier I am. Every big win sees another staunch GAA follower walk away. Even Dublin fans are walking away. There is no thrill. Most don't wait for the Delaney Cup to come to the Hill any more.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 09, 2020, 09:41:50 PM
No Center of excellence
The hurlers play in a shithole
Failed to grow the game between the canals
The smaller clubs have shit facilities while the bigger clubs get bigger and bigger!

This is the model everyone else has to aspire too?

Amazing how Dublin GAA keep pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

I'm confused. Are you talking about Kildare or Dublin? Dub hurlers play in Parnell Park. That's not a shithole. Now if you're talking about Kildare's ground in Newbridge, then fair enough. That's a shithole.

Very hard to start a new GAA club in any county as players/people already have allegiances to a club. Also whatever about Kildare, but land prices in Dublin makes it virtually impossible for a club to buy the land needed to build clubhouse/pitches.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 09, 2020, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

1st inter county game I was at was in the 90s when Dubs beat Kildare. 20 something years on and that's still the case today. All that bitterness means you're missing out on some great days out. You should join the bandwagon. Sure Kildare is the greater Dublin area at this stage. Even a staunch Mayo man like FTB has joined Team Dublin.

Im not a bit bitter.  Not costing me a cent. No 800k+ round trips. More time on my hands. Much more relaxing.

You come across as a bit of a snowflake when anyone mentions Dublin.  Making up that I was slagging off Jack McCaffrey. Man up a small bit.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dinny Breen on December 09, 2020, 10:02:49 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 09, 2020, 09:41:50 PM
No Center of excellence
The hurlers play in a shithole
Failed to grow the game between the canals
The smaller clubs have shit facilities while the bigger clubs get bigger and bigger!

This is the model everyone else has to aspire too?

Amazing how Dublin GAA keep pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

I'm confused. Are you talking about Kildare or Dublin? Dub hurlers play in Parnell Park. That's not a shithole. Now if you're talking about Kildare's ground in Newbridge, then fair enough. That's a shithole.

Very hard to start a new GAA club in any county as players/people already have allegiances to a club. Also whatever about Kildare, but land prices in Dublin makes it virtually impossible for a club to buy the land needed to build clubhouse/pitches.

Mate, Parnell Park is a shithole, shit parking, shit facilities.

So excuses.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 11:56:46 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

1st inter county game I was at was in the 90s when Dubs beat Kildare. 20 something years on and that's still the case today. All that bitterness means you're missing out on some great days out. You should join the bandwagon. Sure Kildare is the greater Dublin area at this stage. Even a staunch Mayo man like FTB has joined Team Dublin.

Im not a bit bitter.  Not costing me a cent. No 800k+ round trips. More time on my hands. Much more relaxing.

You come across as a bit of a snowflake when anyone mentions Dublin.  Making up that I was slagging off Jack McCaffrey. Man up a small bit.
Why would you slag off a lad who does what he does working in a hospital? Now of all times. The mind boggles sometimes.

There's a marvellous invention called google maps or if you're weak with technology I'm sure there are still road maps for sale. If travelling to matches round trip takes you 800k+ No wonder you've so much more spare time.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on December 10, 2020, 02:00:28 AM
you could say dublin would not have 5 in a row if there was no replay rule
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on December 10, 2020, 02:21:06 AM
It's actually mental that Dublin can lose the likes of Jack McCaffrey, Diarmuid Connolly, Bernard Brogan, etc and more unbelievable footballers and it has little to no effect. If anything they keep getting stronger.

I'd say Dublin's B team would at least reach an All-Ireland final, and their C team would win Leinster along with probably making an AI semi-final. This isn't once in a generation stuff. If the current structure were to remain the same, Dublin would probably win at least 18 of the next 20 All-Ireland's. The game is dying, if not dead already.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on December 10, 2020, 02:35:38 AM
Dublin's B team would probably line out something like this:

Evan Comerford

Philly McMahon; Rory O'Carroll; Eric Lowndes

Andrew McGowan; Cian O'Sullivan; Cian O'Connor

Brian Howard; Michael Dara McCauley

Kevin McManamon, Paul Mannion; Conor McHugh

Cormac Costello; Paddy Andrews; Ciaran Archer


Could that team win an All-Ireland? Serious amount of All-Ireland medals already in that side.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 10, 2020, 06:58:53 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 11:56:46 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: reillycavan on December 09, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 09, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: mup on December 09, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on December 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Sean and Bertie,.

Dublin weren't happy with 4 or 5 provincial titles and an All-Ireland every decade.

They actually failed at growing the game, instead they just activated the middle class burbs. Thing is middle class parents, studies have shown, provide better support, emotionally, mentally and financially to their children. They become invested. It means less kids drop away, stay involved longer, creates better players.

Unintended consequences and certainly not the brilliang planning line that keeps getting thrown out. Would love to see an economist examine their success 

   https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web  (https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/inner-city-blues-dublins-battle-canals-352946?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web)

And once the middle classes got onto committees, everything gets better, business smarts to the fore.

The.middle classes saved Dublin GAA.

Even Jack McCarrfey is bored of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40187469.html

More ignorance regarding the dubs and Jack McCaffrey in particular.

Listen to his podcast with Bernard Brogan and the stress/pressure became too much for him, he wasn't enjoying football anymore and he had to walk away. Doesn't sound like a lad on coming back next year.

Can't be easy dealing with Covid in hospital on a daily basis. Hopefully he does play again as he's a joy to watch football pitch

I wouldn't be getting worked up about that person.  Says hasn't been to a game since 2013 but logs into website to have a rant about Dublin. Obviously has a couple personal issues if has a horn for the dubs. What county is that poster from? Back to topic McCaffrey is a credit to his club and county. Best luck in his retirement.

That person has a name. I haven't been to an intercounty game since 2013. I regularly attend club games. But its kinda nice to have my own stalker.

Still bitter over Seanie? Time to get over it.

Good to know you haven't been to inter county games in the last few years. That way there's no chance I could have been unfortunate and unlucky enough to have met you. If anyone's bitter it's yourself based on your opinion of the dubs and/or McCaffrey

Yea I haven't been since 2013 so there is a good chance we never crossed paths. Since you only started following the game around then.

1st inter county game I was at was in the 90s when Dubs beat Kildare. 20 something years on and that's still the case today. All that bitterness means you're missing out on some great days out. You should join the bandwagon. Sure Kildare is the greater Dublin area at this stage. Even a staunch Mayo man like FTB has joined Team Dublin.

Im not a bit bitter.  Not costing me a cent. No 800k+ round trips. More time on my hands. Much more relaxing.

You come across as a bit of a snowflake when anyone mentions Dublin.  Making up that I was slagging off Jack McCaffrey. Man up a small bit.
Why would you slag off a lad who does what he does working in a hospital? Now of all times. The mind boggles sometimes.

There's a marvellous invention called google maps or if you're weak with technology I'm sure there are still road maps for sale. If travelling to matches round trip takes you 800k+ No wonder you've so much more spare time.

Somehow I think your mind might be boggling the whole time.

Yea I know its hard for you to figure how people can travel more than 10 or 15 mins to a game. I see geography is not your strong point. Ask your teachef how big Ireland is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 10, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
If you're going from Cork to Letterkenny in Donegal that's about an 800km round trip. I must admit I haven't clue how you get to Croke Park and back that it takes you 800km round trip.

Even travelling from Dingle to Dublin and back is only about 650km. Can you put up a Google map of your approximate journey so you can show me where my maths/geography is going wrong?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 10, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
If you're going from Cork to Letterkenny in Donegal that's about an 800km round trip. I must admit I haven't clue how you get to Croke Park and back that it takes you 800km round trip.

Even travelling from Dingle to Dublin and back is only about 650km. Can you put up a Google map of your approximate journey so you can show me where my maths/geography is going wrong?

I live in the south of the country. I have travelled to Derry, Sligo and Antrim to matches. I never mentioned Croke Park - that was you. Not so  smart now are you?

No need to apologise.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on December 10, 2020, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
If you're going from Cork to Letterkenny in Donegal that's about an 800km round trip. I must admit I haven't clue how you get to Croke Park and back that it takes you 800km round trip.

Even travelling from Dingle to Dublin and back is only about 650km. Can you put up a Google map of your approximate journey so you can show me where my maths/geography is going wrong?

When Mick O'Connell played for Kerry they reckoned he had to travel about 250 miles to get to Croke Park, about 400 km , that was before motorways !
A friend of mine lives in Caherdaniel , that's the guts of 400 km from Croker .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 10, 2020, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: mup on December 10, 2020, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
If you're going from Cork to Letterkenny in Donegal that's about an 800km round trip. I must admit I haven't clue how you get to Croke Park and back that it takes you 800km round trip.

Even travelling from Dingle to Dublin and back is only about 650km. Can you put up a Google map of your approximate journey so you can show me where my maths/geography is going wrong?

I live in the south of the country. I have travelled to Derry, Sligo and Antrim to matches. I never mentioned Croke Park - that was you. Not so  smart now are you?

No need to apologise.
Fair enough it's 800km once a year. I thought it was a regular thing. My bad.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macdanger2 on December 18, 2020, 02:02:15 PM
Was just reading on the Mayo News about the 2020 accounts and this stood out:

QuoteBreaking down team expenses for 2020, travelling expenses fell from €927,444 to €403,861.

So basically, we're spending a million on travelling expenses most years!!

Player travelling expenses is something that should be taken care of at Croke Park level as it's a cost that disproportionally affects counties on the western seaboard in particular.

https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/36251-mayo-gaa-shows-216k-surplus
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on December 18, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
I think travelling expenses have been covered centrally since the season restarted. It would make sense to keep it that way going forward.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on December 18, 2020, 08:02:10 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 18, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
I think travelling expenses have been covered centrally since the season restarted. It would make sense to keep it that way going forward.

This was driven by the GPA - over the years there were a fair few issues in terms of the administration of this in various counties.

The plan is that it will be administered by Croke Park going forward.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 18, 2020, 08:12:24 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 18, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
I think travelling expenses have been covered centrally since the season restarted. It would make sense to keep it that way going forward.

Do all intercounty teams get travel expenses? As in minor and u20? Or just senior.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on December 18, 2020, 08:51:14 PM
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Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 20, 2020, 01:45:04 PM
Dublin finished the year on 128 points, after their five games.

It's the 6th-highest five-game total in the history of the AISFC.

The others were all Dublin teams:

2019 147pts
2015 136pts
2017 & 2018 134pts
2014 132pts

from twitter account GAA stats
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on December 20, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 10, 2020, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2020, 08:57:25 AM
If you're going from Cork to Letterkenny in Donegal that's about an 800km round trip. I must admit I haven't clue how you get to Croke Park and back that it takes you 800km round trip.

Even travelling from Dingle to Dublin and back is only about 650km. Can you put up a Google map of your approximate journey so you can show me where my maths/geography is going wrong?

When Mick O'Connell played for Kerry they reckoned he had to travel about 250 miles to get to Croke Park, about 400 km , that was before motorways !
A friend of mine lives in Caherdaniel , that's the guts of 400 km from Croker .
Before the bridge was built, he first had to row his boat to the shore.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 21, 2020, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Ger really nailing the central issue there.  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 22, 2020, 12:13:27 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.
Simple. Match funding. Gaa should pool finances and match fund those counties working hard to bring in finances. Spread Dublin's excellence
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on December 22, 2020, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

One spends their income on players' mileage expenses, travel, hotels etc. The other spends it on a 30 man backroom team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.

I'm just pointing out the gibberish being posted.

They mean lots of culchie tears which is nice
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 23, 2020, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.

I'm just pointing out the gibberish being posted.

They mean lots of culchie tears which is nice

Take the spoils of victory where you can. They are to be celebrated. Even hollow ones.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 23, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.

I'm just pointing out the gibberish being posted.

They mean lots of culchie tears which is nice

Take the spoils of victory where you can. They are to be celebrated. Even hollow ones.

Nothing hollow about 6 in a row.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 07:00:38 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.

I'm just pointing out the gibberish being posted.

They mean lots of culchie tears which is nice

Take the spoils of victory where you can. They are to be celebrated. Even hollow ones.

Nothing hollow about them.

Absolute loser talk.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on December 23, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.

I'm just pointing out the gibberish being posted.

They mean lots of culchie tears which is nice

Your a gas man Baile Brigín 2 .

As far as I can make out and correct me if I'm wrong , you would like ..

1) The  Dubs to keep all their advantages , financial and otherwise,

2) Win everything there is to be won in the football......

3) And expect everyone ( outside Dublin ) to be delighted for them. 

Good luck with that. !!!!! I don't think it's going to happen.

Maybe try the Reservoir Dub site .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on December 23, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 23, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 22, 2020, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 22, 2020, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D


There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.

And how are their respective models working out?

Well they both get by ok but the Dublin model in Mayo would be a total f**king disaster and they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

Luckily for Dublin their model works even though their county board is hopeless at fundraising because they have multinationals and the GAA willing to pay them millions.

They are hopeless at fundraising as proven by how much funds they raise...?

Tell yourself whatever you have to, to give the titles meaning.

I'm just pointing out the gibberish being posted.

They mean lots of culchie tears which is nice

Your a gas man Baile Brigín 2 .

As far as I can make out and correct me if I'm wrong , you would like ..

1) The  Dubs to keep all their advantages , financial and otherwise,

2) Win everything there is to be won in the football......

3) And expect everyone ( outside Dublin ) to be delighted for them. 

Good luck with that. !!!!! I don't think it's going to happen.

Maybe try the Reservoir Dub site .

I don't expect you to 'be delighted'. I expect you to try and rise to the challenge and not just run up the white flag.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on December 24, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Are you another with the opinion that everyone just needs to try harder?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 24, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.
Their volunteers need to work harder

No need to bother fundraising when the gaa hands you so much money every year and you've every large business looking to sponsor them (15 at the last count).
They even have a semi state company, Bus Eireann giving them money!
Official transport partner of Dublin GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 24, 2020, 09:12:16 AM
That's the Transport which doesn't have to go far!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: northsideboy on December 24, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 24, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
Quote from: caprea on December 21, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 21, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1341137619204284416?s=19

So are Galway. JJ Kavanangh provide free transport to Kilkenny GAA just to give two examples.

Laughable stuff. Paul mescal!! Heard it all now  ;D

There is a point there though. There is a discernable lack of activity from too many county boards.

I know what you mean. Dublin took in 161k from fundraising from 2015-2017 according to their own accounts. Desperately short of more active county boards like Mayo who took in 1.761 million from 2015-2016.
Their volunteers need to work harder

No need to bother fundraising when the gaa hands you so much money every year and you've every large business looking to sponsor them (15 at the last count).
They even have a semi state company, Bus Eireann giving them money!
Official transport partner of Dublin GAA.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on December 24, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 24, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Are you another with the opinion that everyone just needs to try harder?

Do you even have to ask? And you wonder why they are disliked by many.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 24, 2020, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: mup on December 24, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 24, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Are you another with the opinion that everyone just needs to try harder?

Do you even have to ask? And you wonder why they are disliked by many.

Successful teams in all sports are disliked by many. Nothing new there.

Marc O'Se was complaining in the paper recently that people don't hate Kerry anymore and people almost feel sorry for them that the dubs are so good
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 24, 2020, 07:48:56 PM

Article in Irish news today, very interesting .
Down , a midrange county in football and hurling in terms of success, has the 4th largest population in Ireland , we receive the least amount of games development grant from Croke park , of all 32 counties. Logistics wise we have challenges as football training is based at southern extreme of the county and uniquely most of our hurlers have to get a ferry to train on a 100 x60 4g pitch. We were beaten by a point in the AI final of 2010, just before Dublin's decade of financial and playing dominance. Each year we have to negotiate our way past the likes of Donegal Monaghan Tyrone Armagh mostly away from home. How on earth can we expect to match the Dublin giant?
I cheered Dublin in 2011 v Kerry , little did I suspect that the GAA had created a monster.
I plead with Dublin  supporters on this thread to propose a fair solution to this farce rather than blindly defending the indefensible .

Re a potential solution:
The provincial championships in Ulster and Connacht particularly are a competitive exciting series and I'd be nervous about stopping them. I think they can be retained but qualification for the AI series can be duelled from
NFL and provincial series. Eg provincial champions qualify automatically for quarter finals . Excluding these teams , the top 8 teams in NFL play each other for quarter final place. The next teams outside this top 12 compete for AI IFC and the bottom 12 for AI JFC. If Dublin qualify  for AI series they must play their games outside Croke park until semi. The teams with the highest league position get a home qfinal . This elevates the  NFL , retains provincial series , and removes Croke park as a permanent home venue for the Dubs. It means that every county gets 7 nfl games and at least 2 championship games.
Divide sponsorship and funding , on the basis of equity, and also on basis of "matched" funding to incentivise fundraising. There should also be a cap on county team costs.

I have been advocating a split season for years and thankfully now it has come to fruition , and it lends itself perfectly to the above structure. The above may seem
"Pie in the sky" but it's a realistic way of levelling the playing field. Importantly it retains provincial championships , but incentivises  league position at all levels, it gets the Dubs out of Croker , and distributes the funding more equitably . It gives 3 separate tiers but each county gets a crack at Sam . It gives a minimum
Of 9 and maximum of 15 Intercounty games for each county.
Importantly, every single nfl game has meaning and every championship game has a potential knockout element.
4 months of weekly Intercounty football mostly in compact venues, every county involved until
Last 6 weeks and then just losing a few teams each week until final. Then everybody back with their clubs for an extended season .
It's a genius solution , even if I say so myself😂
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on December 24, 2020, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

Maybe they should get the govt and GAA to step in and pump millions of euro in?
Mind you, they still wouldnt have the 'natural' advantages of population, wealth, home games etc
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on December 24, 2020, 11:08:50 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

Merry xmas to you too , ye wouldn't have many all Irelands from start to present day if it wasn't for country folk settling in Dublin.  Must play on the mind a little to think the native dub has nearly always been less of an influence .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 25, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

😂😂 no it's not , but it is up to you to reflect , along with the many Dubliners who are already doing so, that the more AIs you win under current finances and structures , the less value those wins are. The GAA owes it to these great Dublin players , to give them the opportunity to win a fair All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on December 25, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 25, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

😂😂 no it's not , but it is up to you to reflect , along with the many Dubliners who are already doing so, that the more AIs you win under current finances and structures , the less value those wins are. The GAA owes it to these great Dublin players , to give them the opportunity to win a fair All-Ireland.
There has never been such a thing as a "fair" All-Ireland

Representative sport is not about fairness

The argument here is to put measures in place to make it competitive across the board

That's a different thing altogether from fairness

Competitiveness across all the GAA has always been lacking

The 2015 All-Ireland quarter-final between Kerry and Kildare was not competitive

The 1993 All-Ireland semi-final between Cork and Mayo was not competitive

The 1994 All-Ireland semi-final between Dublin and Leitrim was not competitive

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 26, 2020, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 25, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 25, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

😂😂 no it's not , but it is up to you to reflect , along with the many Dubliners who are already doing so, that the more AIs you win under current finances and structures , the less value those wins are. The GAA owes it to these great Dublin players , to give them the opportunity to win a fair All-Ireland.
There has never been such a thing as a "fair" All-Ireland

(http://representative%20sport%20is%20not%20about%20fairness
That's a different thing altogether from fairness

Competitiveness across all the GAA has always been lacking

The 2015 All-Ireland quarter-final between Kerry and Kildare was not competitive

The 1993 All-Ireland semi-final between Cork and Mayo was not competitive

The 1994 All-Ireland semi-final between Dublin and Leitrim was not competitive
Bang on Sid. Couldn't put it better myself.
Athbhliain faoi mhaise to everyone on the board and especially to my flat earth Dublin friends.  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shantygael on December 26, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
Shots fired. 🙉
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 26, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

Don't be blaming Mayo sure they have only won one of the last five Connacht titles. We have not won Sam since 1951. Think of that! Think of all the counties that have won in those 70 years. Cavan, Louth, Derry, Donegal, Down, Armagh, Offaly, Tyrone have claimed titles in that period. We have won 2 League titles in 50 years. We won only 2 Connacht titles from 1955 to 1981. We have a youth population that leave.  Go get educated, leave to the City centres, get jobs there, get married, settle. Brain drain, youth drain, energy drain - call it what you like.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 26, 2020, 11:16:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

No, it is not about these places. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal are broadly the same size and provide excellent competition among themselves. The issue is with Dublin which has twice the population of these counties put together, that is the issue and the only issue of any importance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 26, 2020, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

How much relevance do you put on a Leinster title these days?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on December 27, 2020, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 26, 2020, 11:16:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

No, it is not about these places. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal are broadly the same size and provide excellent competition among themselves. The issue is with Dublin which has twice the population of these counties put together, that is the issue and the only issue of any importance.


Its worse.

Tyrone 178k
Kerry 148k
Donegal 160k
Mayo 130k

Dublin 1.38 MILLION, more than the other 4 combined, then doubled, then add another Kerry in.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 10:03:13 AM
Cavan 75k
Monaghan 65k
Fermanagh 65k*
Leitrim 33k
Sligo 65k
Ros Co Board area 62k
Longford 40k
Westneath 75k
Offaly 70k
Laois 75k
Carlow 50k

Multiply x2 = Dublin.

* includes around 30k who would be very "GAA minded"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
What's the GAA playing population of Dublin?

Also, Dublin has always had a bigger population than every other county.

Seems strange that it's become an issue, or because Dublin has utilised it's numbers, I'd have thought this was always going to happen once they got their shit together.

The funding should be be fixed better, but due to the size of the playing numbers, Dublin clubs will get more funding.

In respect of sponsorship, the big sponsors will always go winning teams, Arnotts sponsorship was a long one if I remember, was it the best in the country at the time?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: northsideboy on December 27, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Some points here about the population of Dublin and the relative lack of penetration of the GAA there. Traditionally GAA would be a minority in Dublin compared to rugby in middle and upper class areas and soccer in working class areas.
Balbriggan which has a population of almost 22,000 in the 2016 census has one GAA club currently competing at Junior level in adult competition and I think plays at Division.6 in league. Tallaght with a population of 76,000 has two clubs competing at senior adult men's level in football. Clondalkin with a population of 47,000 has one club.There is an absolute multitude of soccer clubs in these areas.
If you take a DART from say Pearse to Dalkey, you encounter two GAA clubs, Clann na nGael in Ringsend which traditionally would have many non Dubs amongst it players and Cuala which has got its act together incredibly well in recent times in fairness. Yet it has many rugby clubs and schools that discriminate openly against Gaelic games.
If anything the GAA has gone into decline in some areas, reflected for example in how some colleges previously competitive at provincial level now play at Dublin 'C' level. In fact only about 5 or 6 schools now play at 'A' level.
About the GPOs, I know of one who spends a significant amount of time in schools for children with learning difficulties, encouraging movement and participation at a most basic level. We're not talking about All Ireland winners here and that is the case in terms of a sizable portion of the work that GPOs do.
Of course that these facts don't suit some of the begrudgery, wumming and in some cases, unhinged bitterness that some people come out with.
Have a lovely New Year everyone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 27, 2020, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
What's the GAA playing population of Dublin?

Also, Dublin has always had a bigger population than every other county.

Seems strange that it's become an issue.

Dublin always had a population advantage and utilized it to become by far the second most successful football county, second only to Kerry.

Now Dublin's population has exploded since 1990. With a lot of rural inward migration with culchies bringing their traditions of GAA with them to Dublin surburbs.

Dublin's population INCREASE since 1990 outstrips the TOTAL populations of kildare or Meath in 2020.

Therefore Dublin are now unbeatable and the intercounty competition structure has at most 10 years left but it could be a lot shorter.

Forget the funding. It's the population that is key.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
What's the GAA playing population of Dublin?

Also, Dublin has always had a bigger population than every other county.

Seems strange that it's become an issue, or because Dublin has utilised it's numbers, I'd have thought this was always going to happen once they got their shit together.

The funding should be be fixed better, but due to the size of the playing numbers, Dublin clubs will get more funding.

In respect of sponsorship, the big sponsors will always go winning teams, Arnotts sponsorship was a long one if I remember, was it the best in the country at the time?

So are you happy to drift along with this?

I know when Kilkenny were winning AI's at a canter, I did not care in fact I enjoyed the sense of silent panic. Why would a Mayo man care about the AI Hurling Championship? To tell you the truth, now that Mayo are also rans in the AI Football I'm beginning to enjoy this drama. There is nothing to lose anymore so I feel I'm looking from the outside after a decade of being on the inside. It's quite entertaining watching the media saying very little and feeding away from the trough of their masters in the Capital. Kerry and their status as the 'Kingdom' is eroding rapidly and they are chasing shadows trying to keep up or even pretending to keep up. There is a legitimate state of panic that makes the Tyone era of the noughties look minor now!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
39,000 registered GAA players in Dublin last figures I saw (2018?)
About 3% of the population.
Wait till they get to 5%!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Splitting Dublin will only create two dominate Dublin teams. Then the cry will be split it into 4!!

People feel the competition is totally devalued, splitting counties will definitely do that.

What's the solution?

No backdoors, they only give the better teams another chance

Dublin can only play finals in Croke Park

All Dublin league games at Parnell

Fairer Funding drives in all provinces with a target increase in GAA participation

RTE to show all levels and all codes equally, their biased for football is embarrassing

Tiered competition, Dublin playing Louth is pointless, Louth playing in a competition that they'll be competitive in is far more beneficial to their growth.

Croke Park to ensure all counties have the same set up for training, S&C, centre of excellence, physio's, masseuse, stat analysts, and whatever else that provides that edge.

You can't do anything about travel arrangements, it's a stupid argument people use, you can't blame Dubs for living in Dublin ffs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 12:59:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Splitting Dublin will only create two dominate Dublin teams. Then the cry will be split it into 4!!

People feel the competition is totally devalued, splitting counties will definitely do that. People said the same about the back door. It was just a mind set. I remember Galway getting beat by Roscommon in Connacht the 1st year of the Back door and Marty Morrisey saying Galway were out of the Championship!

What's the solution?

No backdoors, they only give the better teams another chance True, but the lack of a back door this year, seen Dublin win an easier AI. Mayo are more likely weaker than Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal.

Dublin can only play finals in Croke Park. That will be an easy fix in Leinster., there will be no worries about capacity there. The AI series? Corporate Boxes expect?

All Dublin league games at Parnell. Capacity? Corporate Boxes expect?

Fairer Funding drives in all provinces with a target increase in GAA participation No sh1t Sherlock

RTE to show all levels and all codes equally, their biased for football is embarrassing Are you having a laugh?

Tiered competition, Dublin playing Louth is pointless, Louth playing in a competition that they'll be competitive in is far more beneficial to their growth. The problem is not Louth. The problem is Meath, Kildare, Roscommon, Cork and the likes. Where do they fit?

Croke Park to ensure all counties have the same set up for training, S&C, centre of excellence, physio's, masseuse, stat analysts, and whatever else that provides that edge. Where is the money going to come from?

You can't do anything about travel arrangements, it's a stupid argument people use, you can't blame Dubs for living in Dublin ffs. Nobody blamed Dublin.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
Funding for increasing participation !
Cavan, Monaghan, Fermanagh*, Ros Co Board area, Longford, Leitrim....all around 10% of population as registered GAA players.

Soccer has 5 or 6 Dublin Clubs at Senior level. If there was only 1 Club they would be winning n about 95% of everything.
Yet some think this is alright for Gaelic football.

They've given us all the cliches....  everyone loves playing Dublin in Croke Park, try harder, 15 v 15, one special bunch of players,

Now its abolish the "backdoor" , tiered competitions....
If the latter who will Dublin play against as they need a Tier of their own.
Obvious Solution. Dublin become a GAA province with 4 County Boards.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 01:34:11 PM
Ffs get real.. splitting Dublin into four now? Holy f**k!

It just gets funnier by the day....

If Dublin can get this amazing amount of funding from Croke Park then the other counties should be entitled to it also, with a Dublin president in office I'm sure he'll be keen to not show bias during his tenure
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin

Winning Connacht titles is not a real problem for Roscommon. They have a decent chance in most decades and if they don't they can throw a spanner in the works of other counties aspirations.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin

Winning Connacht titles is not a real problem for Roscommon. They have a decent chance in most decades and if they don't they can throw a spanner in the works of other counties aspirations.

Well it is, should they start competing for those titles they'll have opportunities to beat Dublin, until then...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 27, 2020, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin

Winning Connacht titles is not a real problem for Roscommon. They have a decent chance in most decades and if they don't they can throw a spanner in the works of other counties aspirations.

Well it is, should they start competing for those titles they'll have opportunities to beat Dublin, until then...

Roscommon played Dublin last year in the super 8s after winning Connacht so god knows what you're on about
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 27, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 27, 2020, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin

Winning Connacht titles is not a real problem for Roscommon. They have a decent chance in most decades and if they don't they can throw a spanner in the works of other counties aspirations.

Well it is, should they start competing for those titles they'll have opportunities to beat Dublin, until then...

Roscommon played Dublin last year in the super 8s after winning Connacht so god knows what you're on about
+1
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 27, 2020, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin

Winning Connacht titles is not a real problem for Roscommon. They have a decent chance in most decades and if they don't they can throw a spanner in the works of other counties aspirations.

Well it is, should they start competing for those titles they'll have opportunities to beat Dublin, until then...

Roscommon played Dublin last year in the super 8s after winning Connacht so god knows what you're on about

How did they get on?

Dublin and Kerry have between them won more than half the titles..  two teams have dominated the tournament, the rest, Galway have made a fist of it claiming 9 (3 times more than Mayo)

Breaking up that monopoly hasn't really happened but breaking up Dublin would in the short term improve Kerry's medal haul, be splitting Kerry up next.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:41:48 PM
Breaking up that monopoly hasn't really happened but breaking up Dublin would in the short term improve Kerry's medal haul, be splitting Kerry up next.

Mentioning Kerry immediately devalues this discussion. Kerry do not have an unfair advantage, Kerry's population is between that of Mayo and Donegal.
Any mention of Kerry is an attempt to divert discussion from the real issue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 27, 2020, 03:50:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: caprea on December 27, 2020, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Not half as funny as GAA loyalists trying to ignore 15 Leinsters out of 16 and 8 AIs out of 10.

I'd be more worried about winning Connaught titles before worrying about taking on Dublin

Winning Connacht titles is not a real problem for Roscommon. They have a decent chance in most decades and if they don't they can throw a spanner in the works of other counties aspirations.

Well it is, should they start competing for those titles they'll have opportunities to beat Dublin, until then...

Roscommon played Dublin last year in the super 8s after winning Connacht so god knows what you're on about

How did they get on?

They got slaughtered by a team they could not beat in 100 tries.

Hence why people are talking about split.

Well done, you exhibited a lack of knowledge on the subject and then defeated your own point. Great work.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
So split it into two, then when they start competing against each other do we split it again?

Might as well change the the name of cup, as it'll have no meaning beating a split county
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: caprea on December 27, 2020, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
So split it into two, then when they start competing against each other do we split it again?

Might as well change the the name of cup, as it'll have no meaning beating a split county

I wouldn't be paying much attention to your views on it anyway. You don't seem to have a clue.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?

I would suggest reorganising things every century or so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 05:19:21 PM
Indeed Armaghniac.
How about  only having 1 Club in Cork City.
The Volunteers in the little clubs could work harder and if they ever managed to beat the BIG CLUB it would mean so much more than beating only parts of the City as at present.
Sure th'oul County Title is hardly with winning at all these days  with the City split into so many clubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?

I would suggest reorganising things every century or so.

To be fair, I like most don't care anymore. Meath, Kildare and the Leinster crew don't care. All in Munster don't care bar Kerry, they never did bar the odd year Cork make a run. The 3 Connacht counties the last decade thought they were making progress. All have realised it is beyond them. Mayo were close but no cigar. Ulster have their own thing going on. But the main runners - Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan look to be caught in a loop.

Did you know that Clubs originally represented counties in the AI series?

Did you know the AI competition used to be knockout, No back door?

Did you know Ulster Finals used to be played in Croke Park?

Did you know Dublin used to play League games in Parnell Park?

Did you know Galway footballers used to play in Tuam?

Did you know goals once only counted in football and points were only counted in the event of a draw?

Did you know frees and sidelines used to be always taken from the ground?

Did you know Gaelic football came from Association football?

Did you know that Soccer and Rugby were once banned from Croke Park?

We have had changes in our games. Some we have never known about. Some we have forgotten about.

A fall off in interest which will see a drop in revenue will hasten change.





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?

I would suggest reorganising things every century or so.

To be fair, I like most don't care anymore. Meath, Kildare and the Leinster crew don't care. All in Munster don't care bar Kerry, they never did bar the odd year Cork make a run. The 3 Connacht counties the last decade thought they were making progress. All have realised it is beyond them. Mayo were close but no cigar. Ulster have their own thing going on. But the main runners - Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan look to be caught in a loop.

Did you know that Clubs originally represented counties in the AI series?

Did you know the AI competition used to be knockout, No back door?

Did you know Ulster Finals used to be played in Croke Park?

Did you know Dublin used to play League games in Parnell Park?

Did you know Galway footballers used to play in Tuam?

Did you know goals once only counted in football and points were only counted in the event of a draw?

Did you know frees and sidelines used to be always taken from the ground?

Did you know Gaelic football came from Association football?

Did you know that Soccer and Rugby were once banned from Croke Park?

We have had changes in our games. Some we have never known about. Some we have forgotten about.

A fall off in interest which will see a drop in revenue will hasten change.

Most sports change the rules to make them more exciting. Now some people want the rules changed because one team is too good. It's a sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 06:59:00 PM
To "improve the football championship" it needs to become competitive with a number of reasonable contenders.
Right now it's the equivalent of Liverpool playing in the Irish soccer league.
So you either curtail/divide the monster or create a few more monsters.
Over to you GAA .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 07:13:36 PM
Something like railway cup? Hmmm tried that, nobody wanted to watch it either, that's why it was cancelled
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 27, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 06:59:00 PM
To "improve the football championship" it needs to become competitive with a number of reasonable contenders.
Right now it's the equivalent of Liverpool playing in the Irish soccer league.
So you either curtail/divide the monster or create a few more monsters.
Over to you GAA .

No, its like Dundalk playing in the Irish league.

Rather than whinge and look to handicap them, other clubs knuckled down and figured out how to beat them on less of a budget.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 27, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 06:59:00 PM
To "improve the football championship" it needs to become competitive with a number of reasonable contenders.
Right now it's the equivalent of Liverpool playing in the Irish soccer league.
So you either curtail/divide the monster or create a few more monsters.
Over to you GAA .

No, its like Dundalk playing in the Irish league.

Rather than whinge and look to handicap them, other clubs knuckled down and figured out how to beat them on less of a budget.

Why cant ye figure out how to win on less of a Budget?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?

I would suggest reorganising things every century or so.

To be fair, I like most don't care anymore. Meath, Kildare and the Leinster crew don't care. All in Munster don't care bar Kerry, they never did bar the odd year Cork make a run. The 3 Connacht counties the last decade thought they were making progress. All have realised it is beyond them. Mayo were close but no cigar. Ulster have their own thing going on. But the main runners - Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan look to be caught in a loop.

Did you know that Clubs originally represented counties in the AI series?

Did you know the AI competition used to be knockout, No back door?

Did you know Ulster Finals used to be played in Croke Park?

Did you know Dublin used to play League games in Parnell Park?

Did you know Galway footballers used to play in Tuam?

Did you know goals once only counted in football and points were only counted in the event of a draw?

Did you know frees and sidelines used to be always taken from the ground?

Did you know Gaelic football came from Association football?

Did you know that Soccer and Rugby were once banned from Croke Park?

We have had changes in our games. Some we have never known about. Some we have forgotten about.

A fall off in interest which will see a drop in revenue will hasten change.

Most sports change the rules to make them more exciting. Now some people want the rules changed because one team is too good. It's a sad state of affairs.

Of course in the Hurling they put Antrim and Galway into Leinster, even Kerry can make an appearance there! Why? This is completely unnatural or does it make for a more exciting championship?


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!

I've no interest in weakening any county. I hope the 2nd tier competition is given a chance so counties like Carlow, Louth, Leitrim have a chance to win a major trophy. Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don't need help.

Sure Mayo had bring in Ger Cafferkey to their back room team as the player's values and behaviour coach. I'd focus On why Mayo need to spend money on that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!

I've no interest in weakening any county. I hope the 2nd tier competition is given a chance so counties like Carlow, Louth, Leitrim have a chance to win a major trophy. Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don't need help.

Sure Mayo had bring in Ger Cafferkey to their back room team as the player's values and behaviour coach. I'd focus On why Mayo need to spend money on that

They have to learn the values of playing for their county as an amateur. Stuff like sweeping out the Dressing room after a game. Being humble and recording this event and putting it up online. Maybe getting a TV presenter to tweet said video.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?

I would suggest reorganising things every century or so.

To be fair, I like most don't care anymore. Meath, Kildare and the Leinster crew don't care. All in Munster don't care bar Kerry, they never did bar the odd year Cork make a run. The 3 Connacht counties the last decade thought they were making progress. All have realised it is beyond them. Mayo were close but no cigar. Ulster have their own thing going on. But the main runners - Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan look to be caught in a loop.

Did you know that Clubs originally represented counties in the AI series?

Did you know the AI competition used to be knockout, No back door?

Did you know Ulster Finals used to be played in Croke Park?

Did you know Dublin used to play League games in Parnell Park?

Did you know Galway footballers used to play in Tuam?

Did you know goals once only counted in football and points were only counted in the event of a draw?

Did you know frees and sidelines used to be always taken from the ground?

Did you know Gaelic football came from Association football?

Did you know that Soccer and Rugby were once banned from Croke Park?

We have had changes in our games. Some we have never known about. Some we have forgotten about.

A fall off in interest which will see a drop in revenue will hasten change.

Most sports change the rules to make them more exciting. Now some people want the rules changed because one team is too good. It's a sad state of affairs.

Of course in the Hurling they put Antrim and Galway into Leinster, even Kerry can make an appearance there! Why? This is completely unnatural or does it make for a more exciting championship?

I'd much prefer Kerry playing in Munster, it's such a competitive championship.

The reason Antrim are trying to get back to the Leinster championship is that it's better that what Ulster was of late...

Dublin maybe should enter the Ulster championship 

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 10:17:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 27, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
While splitting Dublin the new name could be 'the couldn't beat Dublin cup'

A honest question, if and it's a big if, if Dublin was split, will that make it easier for the rest to win in the long term?

Or will Dublin, because of their growth, just continue to develop?

I would suggest reorganising things every century or so.

To be fair, I like most don't care anymore. Meath, Kildare and the Leinster crew don't care. All in Munster don't care bar Kerry, they never did bar the odd year Cork make a run. The 3 Connacht counties the last decade thought they were making progress. All have realised it is beyond them. Mayo were close but no cigar. Ulster have their own thing going on. But the main runners - Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan look to be caught in a loop.

Did you know that Clubs originally represented counties in the AI series?

Did you know the AI competition used to be knockout, No back door?

Did you know Ulster Finals used to be played in Croke Park?

Did you know Dublin used to play League games in Parnell Park?

Did you know Galway footballers used to play in Tuam?

Did you know goals once only counted in football and points were only counted in the event of a draw?

Did you know frees and sidelines used to be always taken from the ground?

Did you know Gaelic football came from Association football?

Did you know that Soccer and Rugby were once banned from Croke Park?

We have had changes in our games. Some we have never known about. Some we have forgotten about.

A fall off in interest which will see a drop in revenue will hasten change.

Most sports change the rules to make them more exciting. Now some people want the rules changed because one team is too good. It's a sad state of affairs.

Of course in the Hurling they put Antrim and Galway into Leinster, even Kerry can make an appearance there! Why? This is completely unnatural or does it make for a more exciting championship?

I'd much prefer Kerry playing in Munster, it's such a competitive championship.

The reason Antrim are trying to get back to the Leinster championship is that it's better that what Ulster was of late...

Dublin maybe should enter the Ulster championship

Are they a bit too good for the Ulster Hurling Championship?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 10:22:20 PM
Football...

But we'll see next year  ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on December 27, 2020, 11:52:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!

I've no interest in weakening any county. I hope the 2nd tier competition is given a chance so counties like Carlow, Louth, Leitrim have a chance to win a major trophy. Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don't need help.

Sure Mayo had bring in Ger Cafferkey to their back room team as the player's values and behaviour coach. I'd focus On why Mayo need to spend money on that

They have to learn the values of playing for their county as an amateur. Stuff like sweeping out the Dressing room after a game. Being humble and recording this event and putting it up online. Maybe getting a TV presenter to tweet said video.

By all accounts when the football season is finished for the Dublin players they head to the slums of Calcutta where they help Mother Theresa feed the poor and hungry.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 28, 2020, 12:01:58 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 27, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2020, 06:59:00 PM
To "improve the football championship" it needs to become competitive with a number of reasonable contenders.
Right now it's the equivalent of Liverpool playing in the Irish soccer league.
So you either curtail/divide the monster or create a few more monsters.
Over to you GAA .

No, its like Dundalk playing in the Irish league.

Rather than whinge and look to handicap them, other clubs knuckled down and figured out how to beat them on less of a budget.

Why cant ye figure out how to win on less of a Budget?
Dundalk has a population of 30,000.
There are 8 bigger population centres with teams in the Irish Soccer league.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 12:38:52 AM
Why are we talking about Dundalk? Dundalk are a Professional Soccer Club. They have professional and semi-professional players who sign contracts. Their season consists of home and away fixtures. If they play a final it is in a neutral venue.

The FAI don't give them lorry loads of Money to help them improve their coaching. They don't hand them the use of a stadium on a plate. They are an independent football club. Who collect money from gate receipts, sponsorship and competition prize money.

Their set-up is 100% different to the set-up of an inter-county team.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!

I've no interest in weakening any county. I hope the 2nd tier competition is given a chance so counties like Carlow, Louth, Leitrim have a chance to win a major trophy. Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don't need help.

Sure Mayo had bring in Ger Cafferkey to their back room team as the player's values and behaviour coach. I'd focus On why Mayo need to spend money on that

They have to learn the values of playing for their county as an amateur. Stuff like sweeping out the Dressing room after a game. Being humble and recording this event and putting it up online. Maybe getting a TV presenter to tweet said video.

Good stuff. At least they think it's about improving themselves to compete with Dublin rather than weakening Dublin to make it easier for them
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 28, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!

I've no interest in weakening any county. I hope the 2nd tier competition is given a chance so counties like Carlow, Louth, Leitrim have a chance to win a major trophy. Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don't need help.

Sure Mayo had bring in Ger Cafferkey to their back room team as the player's values and behaviour coach. I'd focus On why Mayo need to spend money on that

They have to learn the values of playing for their county as an amateur. Stuff like sweeping out the Dressing room after a game. Being humble and recording this event and putting it up online. Maybe getting a TV presenter to tweet said video.

Good stuff. At least they think it's about improving themselves to compete with Dublin rather than weakening Dublin to make it easier for them

I can't understand how any genuine Dub would want the status quo to continue. A team with probably the best culture and best spread of talent in the history of the game, isn't getting the chance to prove themselves in a fair competition.
Put aside the success breeds success phenomenon which they have benefitted from by winning an unfair competition , their population bias , location bias, and media bias.
Here's an initial simple list of advantages.
Gaa providing them with unlimited access to one of the best stadiums in Europe .
All games at home.
Preferential funding from GAA
Preferential sponsorship opportunities collective
Preferential sponsorship /perks for players eg cars, equipment/kit, nutrition, career opportunities.
Provincial system bias

I could go on.

Before even considering splitting Dublin, there are a number of the above advantages that need to be rectified to improve fairness, and thereby improve credibility for Dublin's success .

Nobody with any intelligence, can possibly argue against this
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 28, 2020, 11:31:54 AM
Maybe other counties need to get better at sweeping out the dressing rooms and washing the water bottles after training and games.
Or collecting the training cones more efficiently.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 28, 2020, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 28, 2020, 11:31:54 AM
Maybe other counties need to get better at sweeping out the dressing rooms and washing the water bottles after training and games.
Or collecting the training cones more efficiently.

😂
Don't knock it though ,
Dublin have had a number of their advantages for years but it is to their credit that they have created a culture that has enabled them to make the most of those advantages.
Just to really throw the cat amongst the pigeons Dublin are not the only county that has benefitted from provincial and financial advantage. As it stands , there is no restriction on any county that gets their finances optimised. Donegal Mayo and Kerry for example seem to have good sponsorship support, which theoretically could be abused if expenditure isn't regulated. Kilkenny , for example , invest very little in football , this frees up cash to finance hurling and no doubt enhance their county hurling budget. If Down ( and it would never be allowed to happen presumably) dropped county hurling and put their county hurling budget into football prep, it would be an enormous boost.
Hurling is interesting , Kilkenny get an easier ride in Leinster than Cork do in Munster, but the current structure lessens this provincial bias by allowing other routes to the final stages. Kerry have always benefitted by the provincial structure , they are guaranteed a Munster final and entrance into latter AI stages every year. They're even guaranteed a home Munster final every second year. Compare that to Donegal's path for example .
Splitting Dublin debate should be kept separate from the financial, home venue and provincial bias debate. Financial fairness can be rectified by a budget and personnel cap for counties, Sponsorship  caps for players, more even distribution of county sponsorship funds and Croke park funding. The split season gives the opportunity to rectify the provincial unfairness , as well as NFL glamour , by incentivising NFL position as detailed in a previous post.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 28, 2020, 12:18:11 PM
Sam with well thought out respectful posts as usual.
However it's not up to Dublin posters here or their Co Board to change the present system which sees them rack up their routine monotonous boring Leinster and AI titles (15/16 and 8/10).
You might say it's up to the other 31 Co Boards but between hurling Counties and the oul friendly phone call from HQ there wont be much coming from that quarter.

In practice it will have to wait till HQ decides the situation can't continue.
The apologists for the present system are in full media flow these days opposing any split of Dublin (pop 1.4m) and saying others (pops from 33k to 145k and Meath 200k, Kikdare 220k) need to step up to Dublin's level.
There were various useful eejits in October telling us Dublin had slipped back towards the pack while Galway, Donegal and Kerry were rapidly catching up. McStay was even plugging poor oul Armagh in his many media jobs. Remember "Armagh have a small of Sam about them"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 12:27:53 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 28, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 27, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

Sounds familiar, you might take a look mirror!

I've no interest in weakening any county. I hope the 2nd tier competition is given a chance so counties like Carlow, Louth, Leitrim have a chance to win a major trophy. Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don't need help.

Sure Mayo had bring in Ger Cafferkey to their back room team as the player's values and behaviour coach. I'd focus On why Mayo need to spend money on that

They have to learn the values of playing for their county as an amateur. Stuff like sweeping out the Dressing room after a game. Being humble and recording this event and putting it up online. Maybe getting a TV presenter to tweet said video.

Good stuff. At least they think it's about improving themselves to compete with Dublin rather than weakening Dublin to make it easier for them

I can't understand how any genuine Dub would want the status quo to continue. A team with probably the best culture and best spread of talent in the history of the game, isn't getting the chance to prove themselves in a fair competition.
Put aside the success breeds success phenomenon which they have benefitted from by winning an unfair competition , their population bias , location bias, and media bias.
Here's an initial simple list of advantages.
Gaa providing them with unlimited access to one of the best stadiums in Europe .
All games at home.
Preferential funding from GAA
Preferential sponsorship opportunities collective
Preferential sponsorship /perks for players eg cars, equipment/kit, nutrition, career opportunities.
Provincial system bias

I could go on.

Before even considering splitting Dublin, there are a number of the above advantages that need to be rectified to improve fairness, and thereby improve credibility for Dublin's success .

Nobody with any intelligence, can possibly argue against this

They are in the driving seat of being the kings of Gaelic Football. 8 out of the next 10 All Irelands will do it! Providing Kerry win Zero! I can understand this. There is also the History - Heffo's Army, the Jacks, the Blue Army, The Hill.

Dublin got the good will of over funding to promote the game more in the Capital. It was about bringing more into the GAA family, improving revenue and growing the organisation. Who knows how successful this was in adding participants, but it made royalty of those who were already members. Access to better coaches and access to better facilities. 

So here we are. First we were told this was a once in a generation. Now we are being told you have to work harder to catch up. And that's the problem. All other counties have to work harder. to get in revenue, to train teams. Nobody in Dublin is saying you have to work the same as us?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on December 28, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

All we need up in Tyrone is for Stormont to attract dozens of multinationals and have then set up tens of thousands of jobs in Omagh, maybe investing in even a single train station or other infrastructure, leading to a dramatic increase in the population.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

We could start of by cutting down on fundraising, too much time and energy wasted there. Let the GAA funding and Sponsorship take over . Then maybe look for multinational corporations to sponsor our Clubs. Have a launch in Croke Park with the President of the GAA in attendance. Put the debt of our Elverys McHale Park on the GAA, let them take on the Bills. Why should the clubs of Mayo be paying for such a facility? Clubs could be spending the money on better things.

Do you know how much what you've got costs? Who is going to pay for it? Where is this money going to magically come out of?

You are just in a different world.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 28, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities
John Costello seems a sensible man to me and I'd say his offer is genuine. But is it of any practical use?
Dublin has roughly one third of the Republic's population shoehorned into a very compact land area so travelling to train from work or study is not an issue.
Access to advanced training facilities is not an issue either.
Compare that with most  other counties that have a sizeable contingent of their players living in Dublin and logistics enters the picture in a big way.
Much has been made of Mayo's budget size but detractors fail to acknowledge that travel and accommodation costs Mayo close on a million a year.
Even if John Costello could help streamline another counties' income and training regime etc. he can't overcome the problems caused by a county panel's Dublin based members getting over and back from training to home base maybe 3 times a week.
Economies of scale come into it too.
Connacht clubs have one centre of excellence near Ballyhaunis in South Mayo. It may as well be on the moon as far as clubs in, say, Belmullet or Manorhamilton are concerned.
There's not a lot John Costello can do to improve rural roads west of the Shannon or create a few clones of the one near Ballyhaunis.
Basically, I am saying that there is little or nothing that anyone can do to bring other counties to Dublin's standard of dominance.
The GAA'a investment in every other county could be trebled and Dublin's position wouldn't be threatened in the slightest.
Really, when you think about it, it's not believable that every other county would have stood idly by while Dublin steamrolled all opposition aside for almost a decade now if any of them felt they stood a chance of squaring up to the horde on the Hill.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trileacman on December 28, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

Could you or John Costello tell us what it is that Dublins doing so differently to the rest of the counties?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 28, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

Could you or John Costello tell us what it is that Dublins doing so differently to the rest of the counties?

Wining titles, playing great football tbf
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 28, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

Could you or John Costello tell us what it is that Dublins doing so differently to the rest of the counties?

Wining titles, playing great football tbf
I thought the problem was the dubs were too good at what they do. Now you're saying they're not that good. Some people are born to moan
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

All we need up in Tyrone is for Stormont to attract dozens of multinationals and have then set up tens of thousands of jobs in Omagh, maybe investing in even a single train station or other infrastructure, leading to a dramatic increase in the population.

Tyrone have their centre of excellence. That's a great starting base. How many other counties can compete with that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 06:07:48 PM
Do Dublin have a Centre of excellence?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

Stop trying to divert, counties like Cavan, Monaghan, Mayo have helped themselves.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on December 28, 2020, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: trileacman on December 28, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

Could you or John Costello tell us what it is that Dublins doing so differently to the rest of the counties?

Wining titles, playing great football tbf
I thought the problem was the dubs were too good at what they do. Now you're saying they're not that good. Some people are born to moan

Who's saying they're not that good?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 28, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

All we need up in Tyrone is for Stormont to attract dozens of multinationals and have then set up tens of thousands of jobs in Omagh, maybe investing in even a single train station or other infrastructure, leading to a dramatic increase in the population.

Tyrone have their centre of excellence. That's a great starting base. How many other counties can compete with that?

With respect dublin7 , can u suggest addressing the areas of bias / advantage towards Dublin in my previous email. Ironically this debate has got sidetracked because of the suggestion of splitting Dublin ( which I feel could bring the GAA in Dublin and overall to unparalleled success). I can understand why Dubliners don't want a split and I would say that it is at least 5 years off. Unfortunately for Dublin Their dominance has created a "them and us". Kerry had the same issue in the 80s. The population is viewed as the single biggest factor and it's an ever increasing advantage due to population growth in the capital. The only way of redressing that Imbalance is splitting Dublin. However , There would be so much anger , disruption and logistical challenges with this, that it is unlikely to happen soon. In the meantime however , Dublin could reverse the current  "them and us", by magnanimously working with the GaA in giving up all other unfair advantages. The following ultimately will develop the GAA as a whole and bring teams up to Dublin's level, thus quietening the clamour for splitting  Dublin:

Dublin will need to fund and maintain their own stadium and pay pro-rata for Croke Park in the meantime. To redress years of imbalance they should agree Away games for all championship fixtures until Ai semi-finals. Agreed portion of sponsorship funding sent to Croke park for distribution to other counties . Cap on county team budget ( allowing for travel ). Cap on player perks . Agree to dual provincial/NFL route to AI qualification. Help other counties learn from Dublin examples of best practice .
The big incentive for Dublin is that 1. All the above are equitable and takes away most of them accusations of unfairness . 2. If all the above occur it may be enough to raise standards and tighten the competition to an extent that we get back to pre-2011 when nobody was talking about splitting Dublin,

No genuine Dublin GAels would disagree with the above , because they know their current success is devalued , and genuine superstars aren't getting the credit they deserve.
If Dublin don't drive these changes quickly , they are signing their own death warrant , as non-Dub gaels will insist on splitting Dublin, if Dublin's other unfair advantages aren't addressed. If Dublin can do this and in addition , prove that Croke Park investment has improved GAA in Dublin and nationally , I feel that the goodwill created could save Dublin as a single county team.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 28, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 28, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Has any county approached Dublin and looked at at what they've done and implementing it in their own county?

John Costello has said on multiple occasions dubs are happy to show any county how they do things. I'd imagine the number of county boards who have taken up this offer is the same as the county boards who accepted Dublin's offer of assistance with their commercial activities - 0.

Wicklow are an exception in Leinster. They have started really good underage projects in Leinster, but they are starting off from a low base, but at least they have a plan/vision for the future.

If counties won't help themselves and people obsess over splitting/weakening Dublin then they need to look re-examine their priorities

All we need up in Tyrone is for Stormont to attract dozens of multinationals and have then set up tens of thousands of jobs in Omagh, maybe investing in even a single train station or other infrastructure, leading to a dramatic increase in the population.

Tyrone have their centre of excellence. That's a great starting base. How many other counties can compete with that?

With respect dublin7 , can u suggest addressing the areas of bias / advantage towards Dublin in my previous email. Ironically this debate has got sidetracked because of the suggestion of splitting Dublin ( which I feel could bring the GAA in Dublin and overall to unparalleled success). I can understand why Dubliners don't want a split and I would say that it is at least 5 years off. Unfortunately for Dublin Their dominance has created a "them and us". Kerry had the same issue in the 80s. The population is viewed as the single biggest factor and it's an ever increasing advantage due to population growth in the capital. The only way of redressing that Imbalance is splitting Dublin. However , There would be so much anger , disruption and logistical challenges with this, that it is unlikely to happen soon. In the meantime however , Dublin could reverse the current  "them and us", by magnanimously working with the GaA in giving up all other unfair advantages. The following ultimately will develop the GAA as a whole and bring teams up to Dublin's level, thus quietening the clamour for splitting  Dublin:

Dublin will need to fund and maintain their own stadium and pay pro-rata for Croke Park in the meantime. To redress years of imbalance they should agree Away games for all championship fixtures until Ai semi-finals. Agreed portion of sponsorship funding sent to Croke park for distribution to other counties . Cap on county team budget ( allowing for travel ). Cap on player perks . Agree to dual provincial/NFL route to AI qualification. Help other counties learn from Dublin examples of best practice .
The big incentive for Dublin is that 1. All the above are equitable and takes away most of them accusations of unfairness . 2. If all the above occur it may be enough to raise standards and tighten the competition to an extent that we get back to pre-2011 when nobody was talking about splitting Dublin,

No genuine Dublin GAels would disagree with the above , because they know their current success is devalued , and genuine superstars aren't getting the credit they deserve.
If Dublin don't drive these changes quickly , they are signing their own death warrant , as non-Dub gaels will insist on splitting Dublin, if Dublin's other unfair advantages aren't addressed. If Dublin can do this and in addition , prove that Croke Park investment has improved GAA in Dublin and nationally , I feel that the goodwill created could save Dublin as a single county team.


Dublin will always have advantages. That's life. Just like Mayo will always have advantages over Leitrim and Kerry will have advantages over Clare. How does splitting Dublin help Waterford or Antrim?

I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

PuC cost about €96m and that was just for the stadium. They already had the land. How much do you think it would cost to buy the land and build the stadiums needed for both counties? I'd say you're looking at €200m at least. Who's paying for that? Dubs sponsors aren't payng all that so that means funding from central coffers. Given all the abuse Dublin are getting for their current funding I can only imagine the hysterics if they were to get more to build stadiums in or around the capital. Poor Joe Duffy would see his phone lines go into meltdown.

If Dublin should be split is such a great idea why is smaller counties merging being ridiculed? I'm sure the thoughts of playing for north/south Dublin are about as appealing as playing for a combined Sligo/Leitrim selection.

Dublin fans (shock horror) don't give a s**t about some so called goodwill nonsense from other counties. Dublin were never popular even when they weren't winning.  They were figures of fun to the likes of Kerry, Tyrone etc. who regularly battered them. Kerry in particular would patronise Dublin about Dublin/Kerry being great contests as they new they always won.  Now the dubs are the greatest ever team and no one likes them is a badge of honour. As Marc O'Se says, he longs for the day Kerry will be hated again like Dublin are now. Any Dublin fans I know remember the mid 90s and 00s when dubs suffered some humiliating defeats know watching this era is a privilege and we aren't getting tired of it. Watching the likes of Fenton and Kilkenny is like watching Messi/Ronaldo. Watching the some of the best ever to play the game at their peak in an amazing side never gets boring.

Eoin Murchan summed it up well when interviewed meeting the kids in Temple street just before Christmas. It was nice to be able to do something and be appreciated for
it as they can't do anything right for some people.

If people want to start a petition to split Dublin so Kerry/Tyrone think they'll win the All Ireland (Mayo will still find ways to lose AI finals) fire away.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 10:10:54 PM
Not going to quote above but where Dublin 7 did 6th Sam talk about a split?

Are you reading quotes you are replying to? Or are you trying to confuse the debate with out of context replys?

So you're saying no one wants to split Dublin? That's odd. Must be getting paranoid.

As I see it the likes of yourself want Dublin stopped as they're too good. I find it bizarre and like a spoilt child screaming for not getting what he/she wants.

Tiger Woods dominated golf, Patriots dominated American Football, Man Utd dominated the premier league. These eras all ended (just like this era of dubs domination will) and the opposition strived to reach the standards set. Strange how Dublin do so poorly in minor football but no one mentions that and let's not even mention the hurling side.

The dubs are the best because of their ability, focus, mental strength and sheer hard work on their skills. They also have more on field leaders than any other team in the country. Ignorant accusations of financial doping for funding put into training kids in schools/clubs is just stupid and irrelevant.

Take this years AI final. Mayo scored their 14th point in the 49 min. They scored one more point in the rest of the game and some of their attempts on goal were embarrassing. No leadership from the veterans on the pitch and if anything it was the younger players leading the way. Several times over the last decade Mayo had Dublin on the ropes , but they couldn't deliver the knock out blow as they didn't have the belief/conviction at the key moments or shot themselves in the foot with crazy self inflicted mistakes.

Mayo were wide open in defence down the middle against Tipp in the semi final and what happens in the 1st play of the final? McCarthy runs right down the middle to set up Rock for a goal.

All this talk of population is hypocritical as well. Cork have more clubs and registered senior players than Dublin, yet they spent this year in division 3 in the league and were well beaten by Tipperary in the Munster final. They should be dominant in both football/hurling of it's just a numbers game but their county board seems to have been so focused on PuC they ignored what was going on in terms of on field matters and they as far away from even challenging for an All Ireland in either code as they've ever been. How's that Dublin's fault?


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.

You think the dubs have €200m just resting in their bank accounts waiting to be spent?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.

You think the dubs have €200m just resting in their bank accounts waiting to be spent?

Well you will just have to work harder!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.

You think the dubs have €200m just resting in their bank accounts waiting to be spent?

Dubliners have, go out and fund raise.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 28, 2020, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 10:10:54 PM
Not going to quote above but where Dublin 7 did 6th Sam talk about a split?

Are you reading quotes you are replying to? Or are you trying to confuse the debate with out of context replys?

So you're saying no one wants to split Dublin? That's odd. Must be getting paranoid.

As I see it the likes of yourself want Dublin stopped as they're too good. I find it bizarre and like a spoilt child screaming for not getting what he/she wants.

Tiger Woods dominated golf, Patriots dominated American Football, Man Utd dominated the premier league. These eras all ended (just like this era of dubs domination will) and the opposition strived to reach the standards set. Strange how Dublin do so poorly in minor football but no one mentions that and let's not even mention the hurling side.

The dubs are the best because of their ability, focus, mental strength and sheer hard work on their skills. They also have more on field leaders than any other team in the country. Ignorant accusations of financial doping for funding put into training kids in schools/clubs is just stupid and irrelevant.

Take this years AI final. Mayo scored their 14th point in the 49 min. They scored one more point in the rest of the game and some of their attempts on goal were embarrassing. No leadership from the veterans on the pitch and if anything it was the younger players leading the way. Several times over the last decade Mayo had Dublin on the ropes , but they couldn't deliver the knock out blow as they didn't have the belief/conviction at the key moments or shot themselves in the foot with crazy self inflicted mistakes.

Mayo were wide open in defence down the middle against Tipp in the semi final and what happens in the 1st play of the final? McCarthy runs right down the middle to set up Rock for a goal.

All this talk of population is hypocritical as well. Cork have more clubs and registered senior players than Dublin, yet they spent this year in division 3 in the league and were well beaten by Tipperary in the Munster final. They should be dominant in both football/hurling of it's just a numbers game but their county board seems to have been so focused on PuC they ignored what was going on in terms of on field matters and they as far away from even challenging for an All Ireland in either code as they've ever been. How's that Dublin's fault?
TBH, that's a bit hypocritical as well.
Cork is a hurling county- same as every other Munster county except Kerry. Cork footballers continually moan about their lack of funding and support from their CB. IIRC, they went on strike a few years back toi highlight their grievances.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on December 28, 2020, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.

You think the dubs have €200m just resting in their bank accounts waiting to be spent?

Dublin have bought sites in holystown and spawell over the last few years. They probably cost 25-30 million between them.

Estimates here are that a stadium on the spawell site would be 45m. I think that's a reasonable investment for a county of Dublin's wealth. It would at least remove the Croke Park advantage.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/dublin-gaa-scrap-plans-spawell-13523171
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: MayoBuck on December 28, 2020, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Dublin will always have advantages. That's life. Just like Mayo will always have advantages over Leitrim and Kerry will have advantages over Clare. How does splitting Dublin help Waterford or Antrim?

As you're well aware, Leitrim don't always play Mayo away from home. Our game this year was in Carrick on Shannon. Leitrim also receive more games development money per capita than Mayo. So it's not at all comparable to Dublin's advantages.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 28, 2020, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Dublin will always have advantages. That's life. Just like Mayo will always have advantages over Leitrim and Kerry will have advantages over Clare. How does splitting Dublin help Waterford or Antrim?

As you're well aware, Leitrim don't always play Mayo away from home. Our game this year was in Carrick on Shannon. Leitrim also receive more games development money per capita than Mayo. So it's not at all comparable to Dublin's advantages.

Leitrim could play Mayo in a ploughed field and it wouldn't make a difference. Mayo have advantages that Leitrim can't compete with. That's just the way it is. Most people don't care about that though. They're just obsessed with Dublin and hate to see them so successful.

Another area that has seen significant gains in Dublin that no one mentioned over the last few years is the memorabilia market. The amount of quality products with 5 in a row and now 6 in a row  on them is yet another example of brilliant Dublin initiatives. Dublin fans really are showing some brilliant marketing and business acumen.

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.

You think the dubs have €200m just resting in their bank accounts waiting to be spent?

Maybe they will have to work as hard as other counties do then.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on December 29, 2020, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 28, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7
I have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?

the subdivisions of Dublin could pay for them, given that they would still among the biggest units in the GAA. How do you think every other county paid for them.

You think the dubs have €200m just resting in their bank accounts waiting to be spent?

Maybe they will have to work as hard as other counties do then.

Dublin are always looking to improve both on and off the pitch. That's one of the reasons they are so successful.

I mean not all counties are as fortunate as Tyrone. All the advantages they have with their centre of excellence and funding from Club Tyrone.

Good for them though. I'm sure they'll see the benefits of this for years to come
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on December 29, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 28, 2020, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 28, 2020, 10:10:54 PM
Not going to quote above but where Dublin 7 did 6th Sam talk about a split?

Are you reading quotes you are replying to? Or are you trying to confuse the debate with out of context replys?

So you're saying no one wants to split Dublin? That's odd. Must be getting paranoid.

As I see it the likes of yourself want Dublin stopped as they're too good. I find it bizarre and like a spoilt child screaming for not getting what he/she wants.

Tiger Woods dominated golf, Patriots dominated American Football, Man Utd dominated the premier league. These eras all ended (just like this era of dubs domination will) and the opposition strived to reach the standards set. Strange how Dublin do so poorly in minor football but no one mentions that and let's not even mention the hurling side.

The dubs are the best because of their ability, focus, mental strength and sheer hard work on their skills. They also have more on field leaders than any other team in the country. Ignorant accusations of financial doping for funding put into training kids in schools/clubs is just stupid and irrelevant.

Take this years AI final. Mayo scored their 14th point in the 49 min. They scored one more point in the rest of the game and some of their attempts on goal were embarrassing. No leadership from the veterans on the pitch and if anything it was the younger players leading the way. Several times over the last decade Mayo had Dublin on the ropes , but they couldn't deliver the knock out blow as they didn't have the belief/conviction at the key moments or shot themselves in the foot with crazy self inflicted mistakes.

Mayo were wide open in defence down the middle against Tipp in the semi final and what happens in the 1st play of the final? McCarthy runs right down the middle to set up Rock for a goal.

All this talk of population is hypocritical as well. Cork have more clubs and registered senior players than Dublin, yet they spent this year in division 3 in the league and were well beaten by Tipperary in the Munster final. They should be dominant in both football/hurling of it's just a numbers game but their county board seems to have been so focused on PuC they ignored what was going on in terms of on field matters and they as far away from even challenging for an All Ireland in either code as they've ever been. How's that Dublin's fault?
TBH, that's a bit hypocritical as well.
Cork is a hurling county- same as every other Munster county except Kerry. Cork footballers continually moan about their lack of funding and support from their CB. IIRC, they went on strike a few years back toi highlight their grievances.
[/b] Yeah Kerry footballers did something similar this year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 29, 2020, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

That, my friend, is a complete load of bullocks!
You never heard anyone else connected with the Mayo team say that.
Andy Moran is on record as saying that the Mayo team are ready to take Dublin on at any time and I don't think anything has changed since he said it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on December 29, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.
I must get a couple of those garden gnomes meself

I'll call one of them Ewan and the other one Colm

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 29, 2020, 06:02:38 PM
Let's just simplify this .
We all agree that Dublin have advantages.
Their biggest advantage is their population, but currently splitting Dublin and breaking away from the County system is very controversial and not likely to happen any time soon, so let's park that.
All the other advantages I have listed can be changed however and are not controversial in any way because they are so ridiculously biased and unfair.
Get rid of those unfair advantages and I suspect the clamour for the nuclear option of splitting Dublin will die down, and Dublin's exceptional role models will get the universal recognition they deserve.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.


I hope you have a big garden, there will be a lot of Gnomes that will be needed in the coming years.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 29, 2020, 06:44:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.


I hope you have a big garden, there will be a lot of Gnomes that will be needed in the coming years.

Not a smart move, sure we all know that gnomes
Look dreadful when they're tarnished
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Would need to have Dublin b gnomes once it's split
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 29, 2020, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
What I do see is that Mayo people know more about football than anyone else.

They don't care about improving the football championship. They're only interested in trying to weaken Dublin so they have a better chance to win the All Ireland. What every other county does is irrelevant

That, my friend, is a complete load of bullocks!
You never heard anyone else connected with the Mayo team say that.
Andy Moran is on record as saying that the Mayo team are ready to take Dublin on at any time and I don't think anything has changed since he said it.

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Would need to have Dublin b gnomes once it's split

No more than ourselves, you don't need a garden!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.


I hope you have a big garden, there will be a lot of Gnomes that will be needed in the coming years.

That's a fair point. I have a signed and framed piece of memrobelia of Cluxton lifting the trophy each year for the 5 in a row. Do I buy another picture and frame for the 6 in a row?

These are the issues with following such a successful county. It can be expensive as well. Going out celebrating all these brilliant achievements isn't cheap. Having said that not getting to any championship games this year was a killer so hopefully next year my friends and I can will be able to get to attend games again and enjoy all the fun that goes with following this amazing football team
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Owenmoresider on December 29, 2020, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:57 PMI have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?
It's almost like Parnell Park doesn't exist.

Although given how often Dublin play there I guess it might as well not.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.


I hope you have a big garden, there will be a lot of Gnomes that will be needed in the coming years.

That's a fair point. I have a signed and framed piece of memrobelia of Cluxton lifting the trophy each year for the 5 in a row. Do I buy another picture and frame for the 6 in a row?

These are the issues with following such a successful county. It can be expensive as well. Going out celebrating all these brilliant achievements isn't cheap. Having said that not getting to any championship games this year was a killer so hopefully next year my friends and I can will be able to get to attend games again and enjoy all the fun that goes with following this amazing football team

I suppose you can spend all that money you save on not travelling to matches every year.  Not to mention all the time you have on your hands on match day.  I suppose the lockdown probably made little or more difference to you?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on December 29, 2020, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:57 PMI have to laugh at the idea Dublin should be split and everything in the football championship will be great again. It devalues the Dublin jersey, will be of no interest to Dublin fans and more importantly who is going to pay for the new stadiums for both sides?
It's almost like Parnell Park doesn't exist.

Although given how often Dublin play there I guess it might as well not.
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That's health and safety these days. What can you do? Just ask Kildare fans about Newbridge or nowhere.

Good to see there are some people who can look at Dublin and see they have their own issues to deal with. Thanks for that
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.


I hope you have a big garden, there will be a lot of Gnomes that will be needed in the coming years.

That's a fair point. I have a signed and framed piece of memrobelia of Cluxton lifting the trophy each year for the 5 in a row. Do I buy another picture and frame for the 6 in a row?

These are the issues with following such a successful county. It can be expensive as well. Going out celebrating all these brilliant achievements isn't cheap. Having said that not getting to any championship games this year was a killer so hopefully next year my friends and I can will be able to get to attend games again and enjoy all the fun that goes with following this amazing football team

I suppose you can spend all that money you save on not travelling to matches every year.  Not to mention all the time you have on your hands on match day.  I suppose the lockdown probably made little or more difference to you?

It's sad that you can be so flippant about lockdown and businesses/people losing their jobs/livelihood. I almost feel sorry for you if that's your mentality.

Although our company signed up for the wage subsidy scheme we have remained open throughout this pandemic. It's been a tough year for most people (not you obviously) and looking forward in my opinion is important. Hopefully the Pfizer/Modena vaccines will work and going to games again will be something everyone can do
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 29, 2020, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM

For Christmas I got garden gnomes in Dublin Jersies for the garden for example and plaques to commemorate the 5 and 6 in a row.


I hope you have a big garden, there will be a lot of Gnomes that will be needed in the coming years.

That's a fair point. I have a signed and framed piece of memrobelia of Cluxton lifting the trophy each year for the 5 in a row. Do I buy another picture and frame for the 6 in a row?

These are the issues with following such a successful county. It can be expensive as well. Going out celebrating all these brilliant achievements isn't cheap. Having said that not getting to any championship games this year was a killer so hopefully next year my friends and I can will be able to get to attend games again and enjoy all the fun that goes with following this amazing football team

I suppose you can spend all that money you save on not travelling to matches every year.  Not to mention all the time you have on your hands on match day.  I suppose the lockdown probably made little or more difference to you?

It's sad that you can be so flippant about lockdown and businesses/people losing their jobs/livelihood. I almost feel sorry for you if that's your mentality.

Although our company signed up for the wage subsidy scheme we have remained open throughout this pandemic. It's been a tough year for most people (not you obviously) and looking forward in my opinion is important. Hopefully the Pfizer/Modena vaccines will work and going to games again will be something everyone can do

I am sorry to hear that! Can't be easy!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on December 29, 2020, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Leitrim could play Mayo in a ploughed field and it wouldn't make a difference. Mayo have advantages that Leitrim can't compete with. That's just the way it is. Most people don't care about that though. They're just obsessed with Dublin and hate to see them so successful.

More whataboutery. Never mind Leitrim, what are you going to do about the elephant in the room, Dublin?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 30, 2020, 10:14:07 AM
Mayowestros has 3.3 times the population of Leitrim.
Dublin has TWELVE times the population of Mayowestros.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 29, 2020, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Leitrim could play Mayo in a ploughed field and it wouldn't make a difference. Mayo have advantages that Leitrim can't compete with. That's just the way it is. Most people don't care about that though. They're just obsessed with Dublin and hate to see them so successful.

More whataboutery. Never mind Leitrim, what are you going to do about the elephant in the room, Dublin?

Nothing. I don't work for the GAA. What exactly am I expected to do? Also you've got your priorities all screwed up. What you should be focusing on is what are Dublin doing that we're not

One simple fix is the Leinster championship. If people want Dublin to play less games in Croke Park in Leinster then have their county board delegate bring it up with the Leinster council. All the other Leinster counties are the one's voting to keep dubs games in Croker. It's ironic that fans of Leinster counties complain about the dubs playing in Croker when their own county voted for it

What about the Munster championship? Does one win in 85 years for Tipp prove that's not a joke of a competition?

Kerry must be laughing at the rest of Ireland's obsession with Dublin given their easy stroll through Munster every year.(This year was a freak result as proved by Cork's efforts against Tipp in the Munster final)

It's gas that Leitrim are irrelevant to you, but then they're not stopping anyone winning the All Ireland, so who gives a f**k about them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 30, 2020, 10:14:07 AM
Mayowestros has 3.3 times the population of Leitrim.
Dublin has TWELVE times the population of Mayowestros.

Are you saying dubs have an unfair over Mayo, but Mayo don't have an unfair over Leitrim?

Or is it that Dublin's advantages are bigger than Mayo's advantages?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on December 30, 2020, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 30, 2020, 10:14:07 AM
Mayowestros has 3.3 times the population of Leitrim.
Dublin has TWELVE times the population of Mayowestros.

Are you saying dubs have an unfair over Mayo, but Mayo don't have an unfair over Leitrim?

Or is it that Dublin's advantages are bigger than Mayo's advantages?

Fair points D7 re population bias, it's just that Dublin's massive population dwarfs every other county, but again I think rather than be distracted by splitting Dublin, which could be a serious boost to the gAA especially in Dublin, but is too controversial, we should concentrate on the other advantages Dublin enjoy. Agree re Kerry in Munster. The provincial advantage is lessened by adding in nfl position as an advantage in AI . Getting Dublin out of Croke park will not only be fair but brings attractive matches in crowded stadia down the country . Budget and resource caps , perk caps, and distributing sponsorship are all fair and non controversial
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 30, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 29, 2020, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Leitrim could play Mayo in a ploughed field and it wouldn't make a difference. Mayo have advantages that Leitrim can't compete with. That's just the way it is. Most people don't care about that though. They're just obsessed with Dublin and hate to see them so successful.

More whataboutery. Never mind Leitrim, what are you going to do about the elephant in the room, Dublin?

Nothing. I don't work for the GAA. What exactly am I expected to do? Also you've got your priorities all screwed up. What you should be focusing on is what are Dublin doing that we're not

One simple fix is the Leinster championship. If people want Dublin to play less games in Croke Park in Leinster then have their county board delegate bring it up with the Leinster council. All the other Leinster counties are the one's voting to keep dubs games in Croker. It's ironic that fans of Leinster counties complain about the dubs playing in Croker when their own county voted for it

What about the Munster championship? Does one win in 85 years for Tipp prove that's not a joke of a competition?

Kerry must be laughing at the rest of Ireland's obsession with Dublin given their easy stroll through Munster every year.(This year was a freak result as proved by Cork's efforts against Tipp in the Munster final)

It's gas that Leitrim are irrelevant to you, but then they're not stopping anyone winning the All Ireland, so who gives a f**k about them.
The fact that Leitrim are very unlikely to win an AI anytime soon won't imperil the future of the GAA.
You can add in another 28 or so counties at present.
Back in the golden age of GAA equality, say the decade from 1995 to 2004, a total of six counties won the AI, including first timers, Armagh and Tyrone.
In the same period, eight different counties were runners up.
In Leinster, during he same period, six different counties won the provincial championship.
By any metric you choose, this decade saw a great levelling of standards throughout the island with counties that had had little or no success of any sort making a name for themselves --- Wexford, Fermanagh, Tipperary and Sligo to name a few.
Then, in a marriage made in Hell, Bertie and Bailey came to a nod and wink arrangement to see government funding diverted to the Dublin County Board. 
That put the kibosh on the Leinster championship but it wasn't until the implementation of the Blue Wave initiative that Dublin began to dominate the AI championship as well,
Dublin has won 8 out of the last 10 AI finals, their last competitive loss being in 2014.
So your fears for the future of Leitrim football must be kept in context. The future of that county's football is far more assured that the future of Dublin's is. The support at grass roots level is far stronger in Leitrim than in Dublin.
It took direct government subvention to recue Dublin from meltdown in 2005 and the whole country is paying an unsustainable price since then.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 30, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 29, 2020, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Leitrim could play Mayo in a ploughed field and it wouldn't make a difference. Mayo have advantages that Leitrim can't compete with. That's just the way it is. Most people don't care about that though. They're just obsessed with Dublin and hate to see them so successful.

More whataboutery. Never mind Leitrim, what are you going to do about the elephant in the room, Dublin?

Nothing. I don't work for the GAA. What exactly am I expected to do? Also you've got your priorities all screwed up. What you should be focusing on is what are Dublin doing that we're not

One simple fix is the Leinster championship. If people want Dublin to play less games in Croke Park in Leinster then have their county board delegate bring it up with the Leinster council. All the other Leinster counties are the one's voting to keep dubs games in Croker. It's ironic that fans of Leinster counties complain about the dubs playing in Croker when their own county voted for it

What about the Munster championship? Does one win in 85 years for Tipp prove that's not a joke of a competition?

Kerry must be laughing at the rest of Ireland's obsession with Dublin given their easy stroll through Munster every year.(This year was a freak result as proved by Cork's efforts against Tipp in the Munster final)

It's gas that Leitrim are irrelevant to you, but then they're not stopping anyone winning the All Ireland, so who gives a f**k about them.
The fact that Leitrim are very unlikely to win an AI anytime soon won't imperil the future of the GAA.
You can add in another 28 or so counties at present.
Back in the golden age of GAA equality, say the decade from 1995 to 2004, a total of six counties won the AI, including first timers, Armagh and Tyrone.
In the same period, eight different counties were runners up.
In Leinster, during he same period, six different counties won the provincial championship.
By any metric you choose, this decade saw a great levelling of standards throughout the island with counties that had had little or no success of any sort making a name for themselves --- Wexford, Fermanagh, Tipperary and Sligo to name a few.
Then, in a marriage made in Hell, Bertie and Bailey came to a nod and wink arrangement to see government funding diverted to the Dublin County Board. 
That put the kibosh on the Leinster championship but it wasn't until the implementation of the Blue Wave initiative that Dublin began to dominate the AI championship as well,
Dublin has won 8 out of the last 10 AI finals, their last competitive loss being in 2014.
So your fears for the future of Leitrim football must be kept in context. The future of that county's football is far more assured that the future of Dublin's is. The support at grass roots level is far stronger in Leitrim than in Dublin.
It took direct government subvention to recue Dublin from meltdown in 2005 and the whole country is paying an unsustainable price since then.

Now the dubs are bankrupting the country as well? That's a new one and so e serious paranoia on your part. Do you believe man really landed on the moon?

Who won the Munster football championships during that period? The same sides who won it this decade apart from Tipp winning their first Munster title in 85 years.

If counties looked at what Dublin were doing and implemented something similar rather than criticising Dublin for being brilliant things might improve.

All the counties (with the exception of cork) have fewer registered players so less financing would be required than the dubs get. Granted the majority of funding Dublin get goes to underage kids and schools rather than the senior inter county sides, but that's irrelevant as Dublin are too good and must be stopped at any cost for the future of this country


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 30, 2020, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 30, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 29, 2020, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Leitrim could play Mayo in a ploughed field and it wouldn't make a difference. Mayo have advantages that Leitrim can't compete with. That's just the way it is. Most people don't care about that though. They're just obsessed with Dublin and hate to see them so successful.

More whataboutery. Never mind Leitrim, what are you going to do about the elephant in the room, Dublin?

Nothing. I don't work for the GAA. What exactly am I expected to do? Also you've got your priorities all screwed up. What you should be focusing on is what are Dublin doing that we're not

One simple fix is the Leinster championship. If people want Dublin to play less games in Croke Park in Leinster then have their county board delegate bring it up with the Leinster council. All the other Leinster counties are the one's voting to keep dubs games in Croker. It's ironic that fans of Leinster counties complain about the dubs playing in Croker when their own county voted for it

What about the Munster championship? Does one win in 85 years for Tipp prove that's not a joke of a competition?

Kerry must be laughing at the rest of Ireland's obsession with Dublin given their easy stroll through Munster every year.(This year was a freak result as proved by Cork's efforts against Tipp in the Munster final)

It's gas that Leitrim are irrelevant to you, but then they're not stopping anyone winning the All Ireland, so who gives a f**k about them.
The fact that Leitrim are very unlikely to win an AI anytime soon won't imperil the future of the GAA.
You can add in another 28 or so counties at present.
Back in the golden age of GAA equality, say the decade from 1995 to 2004, a total of six counties won the AI, including first timers, Armagh and Tyrone.
In the same period, eight different counties were runners up.
In Leinster, during he same period, six different counties won the provincial championship.
By any metric you choose, this decade saw a great levelling of standards throughout the island with counties that had had little or no success of any sort making a name for themselves --- Wexford, Fermanagh, Tipperary and Sligo to name a few.
Then, in a marriage made in Hell, Bertie and Bailey came to a nod and wink arrangement to see government funding diverted to the Dublin County Board. 
That put the kibosh on the Leinster championship but it wasn't until the implementation of the Blue Wave initiative that Dublin began to dominate the AI championship as well,
Dublin has won 8 out of the last 10 AI finals, their last competitive loss being in 2014.
So your fears for the future of Leitrim football must be kept in context. The future of that county's football is far more assured that the future of Dublin's is. The support at grass roots level is far stronger in Leitrim than in Dublin.
It took direct government subvention to recue Dublin from meltdown in 2005 and the whole country is paying an unsustainable price since then.

Now the dubs are bankrupting the country as well? That's a new one and so e serious paranoia on your part. Do you believe man really landed on the moon?

Who won the Munster football championships during that period? The same sides who won it this decade apart from Tipp winning their first Munster title in 85 years.

If counties looked at what Dublin were doing and implemented something similar rather than criticising Dublin for being brilliant things might improve.

All the counties (with the exception of cork) have fewer registered players so less financing would be required than the dubs get. Granted the majority of funding Dublin get goes to underage kids and schools rather than the senior inter county sides, but that's irrelevant as Dublin are too good and must be stopped at any cost for the future of this country
Look, don't mind the "whataboutery," ffs! ;D ;D
Just stay wit5h the figures I have quoted and stop moaning about the great service Dublin is providing to the rest of us ungrateful, jealous, mean- minded etc. etc. culchies.
Just for once, stop clouding the issue
Forget the croc tears for lowly Leitrim-- they have some chance of beating Mayo but Mayo is not the evil empire that is spreading contagion throughout the land.
Figures may be twisted or slewed whatever way you like but  in the end they don't tell lies.
Just to repeat:
The decade leading up to 2005, saw a total of six counties win Leinster, in the intervening 21 years, Dublin has won all but one. That in ordinary English means 15 out of 16.
Thanks to Bertie, Dublin started getting financial aid in 2005 (or thereabouts)
Is it pure coincidence that there's no connection between the direct financial subvention, the first of its kind to any county, and Dublin's dramatic improvement in form?
In the first decade of this century, a total of five counties won the All Ireland. But in the present decade Dublin has won 8 out of 10.
If this was horse racing, there'd be a stewards' enquiry a long time before now
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 06:32:56 PM
I imagine the Munster football championship is the most one sided tournament in the GAA. Clare won once in the 90s. Tipp won this year. So that's an average of maybe once every twenty years Kerry or Cork don't win it. Why aren't you shouting or screaming about that?

I imagine it's simply because you think Mayo can beat Cork and Kerry but not the dubs. To be fair results over the last decade would show that to be the case.

It's amazing the amount of things you blame on Dublin GAA. The more they get right and the better the senior footballers perform seems to make you angrier and angrier.

We'll have to agree to disagree that Dublin GAA/senior football team is an evil empire out to destroy this country.

Given your obsession with finances how are Mayo's fundraising efforts going for their centre of excellence. Have Mayo Co. Board made up with their millionaire backer in the US? Would be a big advantage to Mayo GAA to get that centre of excellence built. The likes of Dublin and Galway don't have those sort of facilities.

Rather than criticize another county for doing this I'd say fair play to them.
 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on December 30, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 30, 2020, 06:32:56 PM
I imagine the Munster football championship is the most one sided tournament in the GAA. Clare won once in the 90s. Tipp won this year. So that's an average of maybe once every twenty years Kerry or Cork don't win it. Why aren't you shouting or screaming about that?

I imagine it's simply because you think Mayo can beat Cork and Kerry but not the dubs. To be fair results over the last decade would show that to be the case.

It's amazing the amount of things you blame on Dublin GAA. The more they get right and the better the senior footballers perform seems to make you angrier and angrier.

We'll have to agree to disagree that Dublin GAA/senior football team is an evil empire out to destroy this country.

Given your obsession with finances how are Mayo's fundraising efforts going for their centre of excellence. Have Mayo Co. Board made up with their millionaire backer in the US? Would be a big advantage to Mayo GAA to get that centre of excellence built. The likes of Dublin and Galway don't have those sort of facilities.

Rather than criticize another county for doing this I'd say fair play to them.

I'll wish you and yours a prosperous, virus-free New Year to begin with.
After that, everything else falls into place. I find this board is the best antidote to stress that I have ever come across.
Here, nobody pays attention to whatever someone else may say and there are more closed minds here than you'd get at an annual convention of the DUP.
For myself, at any rate, I know the odds of changing anybody else' point of view are practically nil but since this is a low-traffic board, iI know that whatever I post, or read, won't dramatically affect the future of the GAA.
And that's when I am not trolling! ;D
However, in one of my more serious posts recently I pointed out that the majority of  posters to this thread and the other related ones are mixing up Cause and Effect.
IMO anyway, there is no point in dwelling on the Cause of Dublin's dominance now and for the foreseeable future.
The Effect is quite a different matter.
I have always maintained that Dublin is doing nothing wrong. The system is grievously flawed but Dublin is doing nothing that every other county wouldn't do-- if given the chance.
But...
Figures don't lie.
I have chosen some selective facts, ones that are in the public domain.
If you read carefully hat I have said, you'll find I do not blame Dublin GAA for anything that others wouldn't do and I have no patience with those who continually carp about Dublin's advantages. Of course Dublin GAA is getting a lot of things right and others could well follow their example but no other will ever be able to compete with Dublin on level terms.
Turkeys won't vote for Christmas and Dublin will attempt to hold on to what it has but the stats I have posted should concern even the most die-hard Dubs I've come across.
Just look at the stats and forget about Leitrim, Cork and any outlier county you can think of.

I picked 2005 because that was the year Dublin got direct funding from the Sports Council, something that had not happened before. It was a watershed year in other ways as well. Take a look at the spread of Leinster titles in the previous decade and compare it with what has happened since.
Need I go on about what has happened since the launch of the Blue Wave initiative?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 30, 2020, 08:14:12 PM
Other Leinster counties won't move games from Croke Park as they know it will affect their county and club grants from leinster gaa.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on December 30, 2020, 09:39:37 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 30, 2020, 08:14:12 PM
Other Leinster counties won't move games from Croke Park as they know it will affect their county and club grants from leinster gaa.

Have you a link for this? Something needs to  be done.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on January 03, 2021, 11:50:16 AM
Mike Ashley's Irish based Sports Direct to Sponsor Cork GAA over the next 5 years worth 2 million . Its short of the deal AIG have with Dublin, 800k per year
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

Nobody who talks of splitting Dublin to give other counties a better chance of winning Leinster is serious, unless they also talk of splitting Mayo and Galway to help Leitrim win Connacht.

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on January 03, 2021, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

Nobody who talks of splitting Dublin to give other counties a better chance of winning Leinster is serious, unless they also talk of splitting Mayo and Galway to help Leitrim win Connacht.

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

If money is a red herring, then take it out of the equation and pool all sponsorship money
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 02:59:24 PM
Cork seemed to have arranged a good deal with sports direct it seems
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 02:59:24 PM
Cork seemed to have arranged a good deal with sports direct it seems

It seemed the FAI did too. And Rangers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 03, 2021, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

Nobody who talks of splitting Dublin to give other counties a better chance of winning Leinster is serious, unless they also talk of splitting Mayo and Galway to help Leitrim win Connacht.

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

If money is a red herring, then take it out of the equation and pool all sponsorship money

Which means 25 counties won't bother getting sponsorship. 1/32nd of Dublin and Corks deal is worth more than most county deals, why do the legwork for 1/32nd of what you get?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on January 03, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 03, 2021, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

Nobody who talks of splitting Dublin to give other counties a better chance of winning Leinster is serious, unless they also talk of splitting Mayo and Galway to help Leitrim win Connacht.

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!

If money is a red herring, then take it out of the equation and pool all sponsorship money

Which means 25 counties won't bother getting sponsorship. 1/32nd of Dublin and Corks deal is worth more than most county deals, why do the legwork for 1/32nd of what you get?

Make it a condition that they have to contribute to benefit.
it's hardly insurmountable.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 04:49:42 PM
The funding needs to be fair, that's all, if a senior county teams gets x amount of money at the start of the year then it's capped, after they have spent their budget it's gone. If a county is not spending as much then they can use it towards their centre of excellence or as thru see fit.

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.

As for funding towards county development that has to be on how many clubs and schools.

Splitting Dublin for me is literally resetting the GAA championship, it becomes a different competition
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 04:49:42 PM

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.


If Antrim cannot organise kit and coaching splitting Dublin won't help them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 04:49:42 PM

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.


If Antrim cannot organise kit and coaching splitting Dublin won't help them.

I don't want Dublin split, if you can show me where I said that I'd appreciate that please.

My point stands, all counties should get the same budget for their senior teams, I couldn't arsed getting into everything the county teams budget for, I thought most people over the age of 5 would have known what I was talking about...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 04:49:42 PM

There's no reason why Antrim seniors shouldn't be kitted out looked after coached and whatever else the dubs do.


If Antrim cannot organise kit and coaching splitting Dublin won't help them.

I don't want Dublin split, if you can show me where I said that I'd appreciate that please.

My point stands, all counties should get the same budget for their senior teams, I couldn't arsed getting into everything the county teams budget for, I thought most people over the age of 5 would have known what I was talking about...

I was talking in the general. But there is still the freeloader problem. And the point remains Dublins loot goes into games development in a county that has a far better embedded soccer culture, swathes of rugby and every other sport on the planet on offer. When Dublin funding started football was second and hurling fifth in participation terms.Setting up a club in Dublin costs more than setting one up in Roscommon.

But I have no conceptual problem with each county side getting x centrally for team preparation.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite
TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite
TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

So to be clear, if Mayo just had more money they would take it to the next level? Sam hasn't been won bevause of resources?

Agree re the super 8's and hurling has failed in removing most counties from the championship
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

It's done in that the initial boost that was required has increased and improved the development of those clubs in areas were the poor relation to rugby and soccer, the pittance we have to develop in Belfast falls way short of what's needed.

The only money I'm talking about is funding towards the senior squads.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 03, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

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Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite
TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

So to be clear, if Mayo just had more money they would take it to the next level? Sam hasn't been won bevause of resources?

Agree re the super 8's and hurling has failed in removing most counties from the championship
I can't follow you here. To me, talk about splitting Mayo to give Leitrim a better chance of beating some as yet unknown region is skirting the issue. Neither Mayo nor Leitrim threaten the future of the GAA as we know it.
Handicapping of some sort deserves some consideration but I don't think handicapping is what Hound is talking about. If splitting Mayo in, say, two, is equitable in that it gives Leitrim a better chance of winning games, then what happens in the next higher tier?
If you follow that line of reasoning, what should happen to Dublin in order to give half Mayo some chance of winning anything? I don't think splitting Dublin into its four constituent counties would be enough.
What about Kerry or any other counties with pretensions to greatness?
You can't just split Mayo or Galway and leave it at that.
Anyway, the future of football in Leitrim is much more assured than it is in Dublin.
I don't understand your issue with Mayo's resources either. Funding is not where Mayo falls down when comparing them to Dublin. Lack of depth on the bench is, IMO, where Mayo consistently lost out in recent years. A logistical nightmare comes next.
Mayo spent roughly €1m in travel and accommodation costs in 2019. Having to trek half the panel to and from Dublin up to three times a week was another disadvantage also.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on January 03, 2021, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

Dublin don't have to worry about expense or mileage. They are all based in Dublin. Add in GAA funding and funding by AIG and its practically a professional environment. A lot of clubs in Dublin have full time coaching officers.

Performance centre was created via AIG https://www.the42.ie/dublin-gaa-aig-sponsors-deal-4000083-May2018/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 03, 2021, 07:37:22 PM
There is talk here of bringing all other counties up to the standard of funding Dublin receives. Where would the money come from? Revenue from gates is falling. And you can't be expecting the tax payers to take up the tab?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite
TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

So to be clear, if Mayo just had more money they would take it to the next level? Sam hasn't been won bevause of resources?

Agree re the super 8's and hurling has failed in removing most counties from the championship
I can't follow you here. To me, talk about splitting Mayo to give Leitrim a better chance of beating some as yet unknown region is skirting the issue. Neither Mayo nor Leitrim threaten the future of the GAA as we know it.
Handicapping of some sort deserves some consideration but I don't think handicapping is what Hound is talking about. If splitting Mayo in, say, two, is equitable in that it gives Leitrim a better chance of winning games, then what happens in the next higher tier?
If you follow that line of reasoning, what should happen to Dublin in order to give half Mayo some chance of winning anything? I don't think splitting Dublin into its four constituent counties would be enough.
What about Kerry or any other counties with pretensions to greatness?
You can't just split Mayo or Galway and leave it at that.
Anyway, the future of football in Leitrim is much more assured than it is in Dublin.
I don't understand your issue with Mayo's resources either. Funding is not where Mayo falls down when comparing them to Dublin. Lack of depth on the bench is, IMO, where Mayo consistently lost out in recent years. A logistical nightmare comes next.
Mayo spent roughly €1m in travel and accommodation costs in 2019. Having to trek half the panel to and from Dublin up to three times a week was another disadvantage also.

I don't want Dunlin, Mayo or Narnia split.

You suggested that its just about resources, but I am glad you changed your mind. Throwing money at counties alone won't do a thing
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2021, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 05:32:52 PM
And now that Dublin is set up, then funding for each county should be the same, funding for development that's different, more schools, more clubs require more money, again I'm not arguing it differently.

To keep everyone happy, and independent service can be used to insure things are implemented fairly, no one would disagree, problems will be what current contracts are signed, Corks is for 5 years!

Soccer is the biggest sport, better run organisation unfortunately, dreams of earning a wage in soccer and rugby can sway many, we've just got to learn to live together.

So we agree on the key point. Funding for Dublin is tangential to the county's recent success in football. The money actually goes to games development in a radically different environment to other counties.

Arguing the job is done is dangerous.

Dublin don't have to worry about expense or mileage. They are all based in Dublin. Add in GAA funding and funding by AIG and its practically a professional environment. A lot of clubs in Dublin have full time coaching officers.

Performance centre was created via AIG https://www.the42.ie/dublin-gaa-aig-sponsors-deal-4000083-May2018/

If you lot chose to move to Dublin you chose to move to Dublin. A decision was made to move to your capital and go back for county training. Thats a players decision and while I admire the dedication its a players call. If a Dublin player moves to the sticks for work, good for him but I don't expect to hear whinginfmg about travel
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show
like the gooch sitting behind a counter in a bank
In killarney.
As if he was getting paid for that role
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.

Dean Rock was the fundraising manager for a care home not a manager of a leisure centre, so he obviously has knowledge of finance. Paddy Andrews is also joining who was a stockbroker for Davy's. Is that a real enough job for you?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.

Dean Rock was the fundraising manager for a care home not a manager of a leisure centre, so he obviously has knowledge of finance. Paddy Andrews is also joining who was a stockbroker for Davy's. Is that a real enough job for you?

How has he a good knowledge of finance?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.

Dean Rock was the fundraising manager for a care home not a manager of a leisure centre, so he obviously has knowledge of finance. Paddy Andrews is also joining who was a stockbroker for Davy's. Is that a real enough job for you?

How has he a good knowledge of finance?

You'll have to ask the care home who employed him in the role for 2 1/2 years and his new employers that. I don't have access to his CV. I very much doubt you do either
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: screenexile on January 03, 2021, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.

Dean Rock was the fundraising manager for a care home not a manager of a leisure centre, so he obviously has knowledge of finance. Paddy Andrews is also joining who was a stockbroker for Davy's. Is that a real enough job for you?

How has he a good knowledge of finance?

You'll have to ask the care home who employed him in the role for 2 1/2 years and his new employers that. I don't have access to his CV. I very much doubt you do either

Its 2021 lads wise up!

https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/in/dean-rock-b0b730127
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on January 03, 2021, 09:39:40 PM
Didn't Cathal McShane get a job, car and house for turning down Australia? Then he gets a bad injury weeks later 🙈🙈
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.

Dean Rock was the fundraising manager for a care home not a manager of a leisure centre, so he obviously has knowledge of finance. Paddy Andrews is also joining who was a stockbroker for Davy's. Is that a real enough job for you?

How has he a good knowledge of finance?

You'll have to ask the care home who employed him in the role for 2 1/2 years and his new employers that. I don't have access to his CV. I very much doubt you do either

Doesn't look like it.

He has a degree in sports science and worked as a fundraising manager for a not for profit organisation.

One would say that he doesn't have the requisite background for working in investment finance for high wealth individuals. Wonder was the job advertised or was he interviewed.

I think we all know what's gone on here and we all know Dublin are the only county who can sort their whole panel out with jobs like this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on January 03, 2021, 09:58:25 PM
It reminds me of the joke when I was a student where XXX got a job last week and the interview was next week.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 03, 2021, 10:31:14 PM
Will look forward to the spin on this...

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 11:50:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.

He has a point. If we are handicapping, follow it through.

And nobody is saying funding is irrelevant. What they are saying is funding without a plan and the right people doesn't work. And the funding mostly goes into areas that traditionally have had zero GAA presence to broaden the games.

People bristle at empty soundbites and the not infrequent spite
TBF, all the frequent Dublin posters make valid points at times but the crux of the issue still remains-- there is no other team capable of mounting a sustained challenge to Dublin.
That's not Dublin's fault as I have frequently pointed out. Dublin play by the rules but in doing so, they have used their inherent advantages to move well clear of the pack.
TO t**ker with handicapping is akin to trying to keep the Titanic afloat with a couple of Band Aids.
Money talks and this is the language the GAA speaks. Attendances are falling and gate receipts are diminishing so the coffers are beginning to look bare.
So we have mickey mouse stopgap measures to try and boost revenue. The super 8s are a super con, Irmo anyway.
There aren't eight super teams to begin with and the end result will, with possibly rare one-off exceptions, be the same. A two tier competition is an admission that the GAA belongs to the elite top tier few.
The days of Offaly or Down winning AIs are gone, probably forever.

So to be clear, if Mayo just had more money they would take it to the next level? Sam hasn't been won bevause of resources?

Agree re the super 8's and hurling has failed in removing most counties from the championship
I can't follow you here. To me, talk about splitting Mayo to give Leitrim a better chance of beating some as yet unknown region is skirting the issue. Neither Mayo nor Leitrim threaten the future of the GAA as we know it.
Handicapping of some sort deserves some consideration but I don't think handicapping is what Hound is talking about. If splitting Mayo in, say, two, is equitable in that it gives Leitrim a better chance of winning games, then what happens in the next higher tier?
If you follow that line of reasoning, what should happen to Dublin in order to give half Mayo some chance of winning anything? I don't think splitting Dublin into its four constituent counties would be enough.
What about Kerry or any other counties with pretensions to greatness?
You can't just split Mayo or Galway and leave it at that.
Anyway, the future of football in Leitrim is much more assured than it is in Dublin.
I don't understand your issue with Mayo's resources either. Funding is not where Mayo falls down when comparing them to Dublin. Lack of depth on the bench is, IMO, where Mayo consistently lost out in recent years. A logistical nightmare comes next.
Mayo spent roughly €1m in travel and accommodation costs in 2019. Having to trek half the panel to and from Dublin up to three times a week was another disadvantage also.

I don't want Dunlin, Mayo or Narnia split.

You suggested that its just about resources, but I am glad you changed your mind. Throwing money at counties alone won't do a thing
I can't recall ever saying that.
It certainly isn't my intention to claim that it is. There are a lot more factors involved and money plays an important part in preparing a county, any county, team. Throwing money at any team won't bring about miraculous results. Money can help alright but it is a means to an end, not the result itself.
Dublin is desperate for money and if the likes of John Costello can be believed they could do with twice as much as they are getting already.
It's hard for culchies to credit that, given the income stream big Dublin clubs have, the profit derived from the club bar and catering facilities etc. Income that 90% oif rural clubs can only dream about - not forgetting membership dues..
Dublin clubs, however, have one serious cause of expenditure that doesn't affect any but the larger urban clubs in the rest of the country. They provide a tremendous baby-sitting service for hard-pressed mammies in their catchment area.
Jimmy Grey (Club President) said recently that over 2,000 youngsters are catered for at weekends by his club, Na Fianna. The u7 and u8s show up for summer camps and the likes and the older ones do likewise but also take part in club competitions. They are well catered for by thousands of volunteers but the expense is still considerable.
Okay, country clubs have many volunteers also but the crucial difference is that many parents whose kids go to the local club are club members also and pay their way via club dues. That's certainly not the case in Dublin
I've been dealing with Dublin primary schools football and underage club levels for more than 30 years  and the dropout levels are horrendous by any standard.
Possibly 1% of Jimmy Grey's thousands will be still around at senior level. The most the likes of Na Fianna can expect from the people they provide an essential service for benign indifference. That, I imagine, is where much of the development funding winds up - like pouring wine into a glass with a hole in the bottom.
I can't see any immediate remedy.
It may also explain why rural clubs, fighting for survival, are being left short  year on year.
This post has veered away from the topics we have ben discussing but  we are still talking about resources or rather the lack of them.
So, unless we discover a hidden source of wealth it's a case of curtailing Dublin's philotropntic work or RI ignoring rural clubs' desperate pleas for survival.





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

My son in law played a bit of soccer with Dungannon Swifts and Neil Morgan turned down a lucrative contract with them to play for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 01:03:59 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

My son in law played a bit of soccer with Dungannon Swifts and Neil Morgan turned down a lucrative contract with them to play for Tyrone.

What would your Son in law be on a week? £200? if even that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on January 04, 2021, 01:24:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 03, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 03, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Dean Rock has been given a nice little no show job from a big stockbroker firm I see.

Stockbrokers don't do no shows.

Its a financial advisory job. Regulated up the shit pipe. He isn't there for show

Some jump to go from managing a leisure centre to being a financial adviser.

He's there for show, roll him out to meet a few giddy clients for a couple of hours a week.
Just like Cathal McShane? ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 04, 2021, 02:50:39 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 03, 2021, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 03, 2021, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 29, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The Mayo team are one of the few teams in the country not afraid to take on Dublin. Its the whinging Mayo posters on this MB who are only interested in weakening Dublin
Absolutely. If you asked a Mayo or Kerry inter county player what advantages do Dublin have over Mayo and Kerry that potentially impact on match results, they would mention travel and perhaps the Dubs playing so often in Croke Park. They know that individually and collectively they are looked after pretty much as well as the Dubs are and the money argument is a complete red herring. 

;D

The only way of 'making it fair' would be to split everything based on political constituencies.  A proposal which wouldn't get very far!
Hound, IMHO you are one of the soundest posters around-- especially on the Dublin side. In fairness, to the frequent Dub lads posting here, the two outstanding traits to be observed are sincerity but also perplexity.
To an incorrigible culchie you all appear to be in  a permanet state of self-denial.
Definitely no offence intended but there's little merit intrying to justify Dublin's present dominance by harking back to Kerry's achievements or Kilkenny's in more recent times.
Forget about splitting Mayo or Galway to give poor Leitrim a chance, all of this is a complete and utter non-sequitur- a red herring.
What exactly do you think Leitrim will be able to achieve if Mayo or Gawaly are weakened?
Will it give Leitrim a more realistic chance of winning an AI?
If Mayo can knock the crap outa Leitrim right now, what chance would lowly Leitrim have if they come up against Dublin/
The biggest flaw in this exercise in what aboutery is that, in weakening the likes of Mayo, Galway, and, by extension, all other counties in the same position, the chances of any county being able to mount a challenge to Dublin are greatly diminished.
At any rate, neither Mayo nor Gawaly threaten the very existence of the GAA  as we know it. Dublin does.
Dublin have won 15 out of 16 Leinster titles siince 2005, the year the county first got funding from the Sports Council, aka Bertie.
In  2011 the Blue Wave initiative was launched with financial input from the GAA and Dublin has won 8 of the last 10 Alll Irelands.
Dublin die hards will say that money as had nothing to do with their unprecedented run of AI successes but, to outsiders, it's a case of anything that walks like a duck and waddles liu,ke a duck, being a duck.


Suppose that the Blue Wave money went to the Senior Dublin team (although my understanding is that most of it went to games development).  Most of the team that went on to win Dublin's latest run of AIs were either in the 2011 panel, or were in the 2011 minor panel.  For reference, here's the 2011 minor team that lost the final to Tipperary in 2011:

R O'Hanlon 6; G Hannigan 6, R McDaid (Capt) 7, R Real 8; E Lowndes 6, J Small 7, J McCaffrey 7; P O'Higgins 8, E O'Conghaile 6; C Costello 6, C Kilkenny 9, G Ivory 7; S Fulham 6, P Mannion 7, C Meaney 7. Subs: D Campbell 8 for Meaney (39), D Byrne 7 for Hannigan (inj, 53), N Scully for Fulham (59).

There are a lot of familiar names there, who have helped make up the backbone of the team as the 2011 seniors dropped away.   So the question I would have about the claim that the Blue Wave money is a factor in Dublin's success is  how did it work so quickly?  Most of the players who have underpinned the 8 AI in 10 years success were already in and about the panel already.  Money assigned to games development was way too late for these guys.

If the Blue Wave money is going to buy Dublin success, it's going to be over the next ten years.  Not this past ten.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 03:32:21 AM
The extra funding goes back to 2003!

Most of those Lads who were Minor (2011) would have been 10 years old then and starting out playing serious enough club games.

It is what it is! Bertie, Bailey, Sean Kelly, Croke Park, AIG, Costello, the Leinster Council, The GAA, they have all contributed to this farce.

We have joined the other professional sports, there is no turning back. We hide behind an Amateur mask.

There are levels of volunteers, but most of these operate in the lower echelons of the game.

We are only 6 months away from Dublin winning 7 titles in a row. And 9 out of 11 out of nowhere! Recent History shows Dublin struggled to make AI Finals.

What is going on?

How did this happen?

Why do you still get money if you don't need it or it makes no difference?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 04, 2021, 04:29:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 03:32:21 AM
The extra funding goes back to 2003!

Most of those Lads who were Minor (2011) would have been 10 years old then and starting out playing serious enough club games.



I'm not as familiar with the history of extra government funding as some might be.  I was responding to Lar's reference to Blue Wave funding, which began in 2011.   That's the funding issue I've heard as being a reason for Dublin's current dominance.  That argument doesn't add up, as I've argued above.

Stick a link up to extra funding beginning in 2003, and I'll try to respond if I can.  It's honestly the first I'm hearing of it, and a google search didn't bring anything up for me, except for the Westmeath's player letter referencing Dublin having issues that needed funding in 2003.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 06:06:00 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 04, 2021, 04:29:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 03:32:21 AM
The extra funding goes back to 2003!

Most of those Lads who were Minor (2011) would have been 10 years old then and starting out playing serious enough club games.



I'm not as familiar with the history of extra government funding as some might be.  I was responding to Lar's reference to Blue Wave funding, which began in 2011.   That's the funding issue I've heard as being a reason for Dublin's current dominance.  That argument doesn't add up, as I've argued above.

Stick a link up to extra funding beginning in 2003, and I'll try to respond if I can.  It's honestly the first I'm hearing of it, and a google search didn't bring anything up for me, except for the Westmeath's player letter referencing Dublin having issues that needed funding in 2003.
I can understand what you are saying and I will also accept what you say in your reply to me above.  I am talking about the facts you quoted, your conclusions are open to debate as mine are also.
I have tried to keep mine to a minimum and let the stats speak for themselves.
I had forgotten that the Bertie/ Bailey deal was struck in 2003. (Thanks FTB!)
I can't even say that the money which came via the Sports Council oof Ireland, was designed for the senior team's preparations or not but the fact remains that the team's remarkable improvement in form began in 2005 to the extent that they have dominated proceedings in Leinster ever since.
As for the Blue Wave, it didn't automatically produce players out of the, well, blue. The minor players you mention were there before this initiative was launched  but their continued development since then has to be a factor in the team''s performance.
It might be inaccurate to link outside funding with the success or otherwise of any team's success as this  assistance might not go directly to the team's preparations but that's,IMO, sleight of hand.
Following on from John Costello's annual reports, the costs of looking after Dublin teams were discussed here and, while I don't recall offhand what they amounted to in any year, I remember that they certainly well exceeded those of any other county.
Apparently, Mayo came next on the list, its transport and accommodation costs were by far the largest item of expenditure.
You need also to keep in mind that the cost of looking after a county's teams are the same for every county in the land. A gallon of diesel for the Roscommon team bus costs the same as ditto for the Dublin coach and an O'Neill's football will cost the same in Dublin as in Kiltoom or wherever the Rossies train.
So talking about pro rata development grants as if the size of the grants should correlate with a county's population is missing the point completely.
Put simply, to prepare both teams to the same level of performance, the relative costs should be relatively equal.
That's the theory anyway but the reality is very different.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

Everyone knows McShane was given a cushy job to keep him in Ireland. At least we won't deny it. Every county will have one or two players that has the same benefits.

Dublin have a full panel who can avail what Rock can avail of.

It's interesting that you first sought to deny, deny, deny before then resorting to deflect, deflect, deflect when you couldn't argue the facts.

Maybe answer the question on Rock now?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

Everyone knows McShane was given a cushy job to keep him in Ireland. At least we won't deny it. Every county will have one or two players that has the same benefits.

Dublin have a full panel who can avail what Rock can avail of.

It's interesting that you first sought to deny, deny, deny before then resorting to deflect, deflect, deflect when you couldn't argue the facts.

Maybe answer the question on Rock now?

The man who wrote the book on deflection is criticizing someone else. That's a laugh

We've been done this road before. Do you not remember the last time you came out with your idiotic claims the dublin footballers don't work and they all get free cars? At least you haven't brought that car nonsense up again.

Dean Rock was hired because his new employer thought it would benefit the company and he's the right person for the job. That's how things work in the real world. I don't know what Dean's role will be, but he's not getting paid to play football.

With the way Covid, Brexit is affecting businesses and employees and do much uncertainty only conspiracy nuts would think a company would hire  anyone at the moment to do nothing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 08:12:17 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

Everyone knows McShane was given a cushy job to keep him in Ireland. At least we won't deny it. Every county will have one or two players that has the same benefits.

Dublin have a full panel who can avail what Rock can avail of.

It's interesting that you first sought to deny, deny, deny before then resorting to deflect, deflect, deflect when you couldn't argue the facts.

Maybe answer the question on Rock now?

The man who wrote the book on deflection is criticizing someone else. That's a laugh

We've been done this road before. Do you not remember the last time you came out with your idiotic claims the dublin footballers don't work and they all get free cars? At least you haven't brought that car nonsense up again.

Dean Rock was hired because his new employer thought it would benefit the company and he's the right person for the job. That's how things work in the real world. I don't know what Dean's role will be, but he's not getting paid to play football.

With the way Covid, Brexit is affecting businesses and employees and do much uncertainty only conspiracy nuts would think a company would hire  anyone at the moment to do nothing.

I just thought it was interesting that you first sought to deny and when it became clearly obvious Rock had no background in corporate finance in either his previous work experience or in his third level education, you then sought to deflect.

Deny and deflect, the typical Dub reaction to defending their unfair advantage.

Davy are a billion euro investment firm. Hiring a lad on 70/80k a year is not going to make or break them. The thing with Dublin is they have huge industries there other counties don't. You look at all the financial services firms in Dublin, huge billion euro companies, all contributors to Dublin GAA. The banks have no problem handing out a couple of cushy no show jobs to Small and McCarthy.

Brian Fenton a qualified physio working in another ambassadorial role with another billion Euro company.

All these companies make millions of profit every year? They are not going to feel a hit on salaries to Dublin players, in fact they probably feel it's a good deal for their brand association and are happy to pay a guy a good salary to do nothing as it portrays them as a donor to Dublin GAA.

Contrast with a county like Mayo, I think they have a big multinational pharmaceutical plant in Westport which employs a few high profile players but the majority of their panel will have to f**k off to Dublin to find a decent job. Every other county operates under different parameters than Dublin.

Care to tell us what Johnny Cooper does for a living?

We have it there in evidence now of the disingenuous and deceiving behaviour you will attempt to engage in when it comes to Dublin finances. You will try and muddy the waters and twist the truth at every opportunity. Dublin GAA are effectively a professional organisation who will have well paid roles created for as many of their key man as they can by their huge array of corporate partners.

This is what allows them to work harder in the gym which Bernard Brogan cites as the reason Dublin are better than the rest.

Corporate Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:16:12 AM
Jesus lad, you can't say Dublin players get better opportunities in work when the Tyrone county does it also!!

Its wrong if its happening whether its one or 6 ffs!

Leave this subject alone as Tyrone are not squeaky clean also.

On top of that you have no real evidence that these guys are actively doing nothing in the roles they have.. How they get them is not an issue... Thousands of people get jobs that way up and down the country.. Not what you know, its who you know
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:16:12 AM
Jesus lad, you can't say Dublin players get better opportunities in work when the Tyrone county does it also!!

Its wrong if its happening whether its one or 6 ffs!

Leave this subject alone as Tyrone are not squeaky clean also.

On top of that you have no real evidence that these guys are actively doing nothing in the roles they have.. How they get them is not an issue... Thousands of people get jobs that way up and down the country.. Not what you know, its who you know

I absolutely can.

Most counties will have a few players sorted out with a decent number.

Dublin can sort a whole panel out this way because of the economy in Dublin.

As usual, you are there licking the hole of Dublin GAA like the good little lapdog you are.

They are a professional outlet competing in an amateur game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:16:12 AM
Jesus lad, you can't say Dublin players get better opportunities in work when the Tyrone county does it also!!

Its wrong if its happening whether its one or 6 ffs!

Leave this subject alone as Tyrone are not squeaky clean also.

On top of that you have no real evidence that these guys are actively doing nothing in the roles they have.. How they get them is not an issue... Thousands of people get jobs that way up and down the country.. Not what you know, its who you know

I absolutely can.

Most counties will have a few players sorted out with a decent number.

Dublin can sort a whole panel out this way because of the economy in Dublin.

As usual, you are there licking the hole of Dublin GAA like the good little lapdog you are.

They are a professional outlet competing in an amateur game.

You're saying its ok for 1 player, but If we look a bit harder I'm sure we could dig out a few more over the years that got handy ones, or schools that took on county players over other applicants.

Wind your neck in, this happens and happens even in the worst counties in Ireland .. You still haven't shown any evidence of them sitting on their hole getting paid for nothing, when you do that, I'll listen, its all in your warped head.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:33:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:16:12 AM
Jesus lad, you can't say Dublin players get better opportunities in work when the Tyrone county does it also!!

Its wrong if its happening whether its one or 6 ffs!

Leave this subject alone as Tyrone are not squeaky clean also.

On top of that you have no real evidence that these guys are actively doing nothing in the roles they have.. How they get them is not an issue... Thousands of people get jobs that way up and down the country.. Not what you know, its who you know

I absolutely can.

Most counties will have a few players sorted out with a decent number.

Dublin can sort a whole panel out this way because of the economy in Dublin.

As usual, you are there licking the hole of Dublin GAA like the good little lapdog you are.

They are a professional outlet competing in an amateur game.

You're saying its ok for 1 player, but If we look a bit harder I'm sure we could dig out a few more over the years that got handy ones, or schools that took on county players over other applicants.

Wind your neck in, this happens and happens even in the worst counties in Ireland .. You still haven't shown any evidence of them sitting on their hole getting paid for nothing, when you do that, I'll listen, its all in your warped head.

Did I say it was ok? No.

What I did say there is a huge difference for counties who do it but can only do so for a handful of players and counties who can supply their whole county panel with ambassadorial jobs and sponsored cars if they so wish. Tyrone have players working in real jobs and commuting from Belfast and Dublin

Dublin don't have those issues, their players will get a nice cushy ambassadorial job where their commitments to Dublin GAA will take precedent over any work commitment from one of the billion euro corporate partners of Dublin GAA.

This allows them to work harder in the gym as Bernard Brogan credits to their success.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:37:29 AM
So they are working? For a minute I thought you said they were getting paid for nothing, phew!

Teachers have a cushy number by what most of the posters on here think, off all summer and so on... How many teachers on the Tyrone team?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:45:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:37:29 AM
So they are working? For a minute I thought you said they were getting paid for nothing, phew!

Teachers have a cushy number by what most of the posters on here think, off all summer and so on... How many teachers on the Tyrone team?

Plenty of teachers on the Tyrone team (I'd put at estimate of about 10) but the difference is that applies to all teachers,  that's the industry norm - doesn't matter if you are 51 year old Brenda from Sion Mills or the star of the Tyrone team. There's a reason an awful lot of GAA players take the teaching route.

The difference is when Dublin have large corporations sponsoring ambassadorial jobs that allow their players train as full time athletes, Dublin can sort their players out in this manner (along with a sponsored car from Subaru). Doesn't work like that for other counties like I've already outlined. Tyrone have plenty of players working outside the county at present, Dublin have plenty of players sorted out with ambassadorial roles that effectively allow them train as professional athletes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 01:03:59 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

My son in law played a bit of soccer with Dungannon Swifts and Neil Morgan turned down a lucrative contract with them to play for Tyrone.

What would your Son in law be on a week? £200? if even that?

800 sterling
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:56:29 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 01:03:59 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

My son in law played a bit of soccer with Dungannon Swifts and Neil Morgan turned down a lucrative contract with them to play for Tyrone.

What would your Son in law be on a week? £200? if even that?

800 sterling

I've played semi-pro football in the Irish league and you are talking through your hoop.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 01:03:59 AM
Quote from: reillycavan on January 04, 2021, 12:32:50 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 03, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
How's Cathal McShane getting on his job that he turned down Australia for? Working hard I hope. I'm sure the fact he was a Tyrone footballer and the interest from Aussie Rules clubs had no relevance to him being offered the position and it was just a coincidence.

Do you know if anyone else applied for the role or if it was advertised?

My son in law played a bit of soccer with Dungannon Swifts and Neil Morgan turned down a lucrative contract with them to play for Tyrone.

What would your Son in law be on a week? £200? if even that?

800 sterling

;D ;D

I would be questioning the figures your son in law is telling you.

So he is on £3200 a month with Dungannon?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:16:12 AM
Jesus lad, you can't say Dublin players get better opportunities in work when the Tyrone county does it also!!

Its wrong if its happening whether its one or 6 ffs!

Leave this subject alone as Tyrone are not squeaky clean also.

On top of that you have no real evidence that these guys are actively doing nothing in the roles they have.. How they get them is not an issue... Thousands of people get jobs that way up and down the country.. Not what you know, its who you know

I absolutely can.

Most counties will have a few players sorted out with a decent number.

Dublin can sort a whole panel out this way because of the economy in Dublin.

As usual, you are there licking the hole of Dublin GAA like the good little lapdog you are.

They are a professional outlet competing in an amateur game.

Do you have any real evidence or is "the optics" as you like to say? You claim big Pharma and their CEOs are making an unsafe vaccine without any proof. This is just the same innuendo and conspiracy theory nonsense
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 04, 2021, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:16:12 AM
Jesus lad, you can't say Dublin players get better opportunities in work when the Tyrone county does it also!!

Its wrong if its happening whether its one or 6 ffs!

Leave this subject alone as Tyrone are not squeaky clean also.

On top of that you have no real evidence that these guys are actively doing nothing in the roles they have.. How they get them is not an issue... Thousands of people get jobs that way up and down the country.. Not what you know, its who you know

I absolutely can.

Most counties will have a few players sorted out with a decent number.

Dublin can sort a whole panel out this way because of the economy in Dublin.

As usual, you are there licking the hole of Dublin GAA like the good little lapdog you are.

They are a professional outlet competing in an amateur game.

Do you have any real evidence or is "the optics" as you like to say? You claim big Pharma and their CEOs are making an unsafe vaccine without any proof. This is just the same innuendo and conspiracy theory nonsense

Once again you are incapable of dealing with the truth. You have decide to deflect from Dublin GAA and their shady dealings with large corporations to Big Pharma so I will clear this matter up first and foremost.

I have never accused Big Pharma of making an unsafe drug, nobody knows whether that is the case or that is not the case. I have stated facts around the vaccine and how the optics of it look very bad.

We look at culture and we look at precedent and there is a culture and there is a precedent that Big Pharma are happy for unsafe drugs to go to market and are happy to bribe and solicit medical professionals and regulatory bodies to bring them to market. That is not innuendo, nor is it conspiracy - these are proven facts and we have seen the fines that Big Pharma companies like Pfizer and others have had to pay for giving kickbacks to doctors and medical professionals to promote drugs that are unsafe, market drugs not approved approved by regulatory bodies, giving kickbacks and inducements to people who sit on regulatory approval board. That is fact, not innuendo, not conspiracy.

The fact that you want to ignore precedent, ignore culture, ignore facts and not take any caution of these companies and their agendas is your choice but you seem to be a very fickle, naive sort if you do.

And the same applies for Dublin GAA, you don't want to countenance facts, precedent and culture into the equation at all - all you can do is deny and deflect because the truth is an inconvenience to you.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.

This is my favourite thread as well. Being a Dublin fan makes it so much more enjoyable. Watching Dublin win Leinsters and now All Irelands where the emotion has been drained out of wins is so funny. Lead up to games, anticipation, analysis are all hyped. All these media outlets trying to make something out of what is really nothing anymore. There is no real joy in victory, there is no major disappointment in defeat. There is nothing to analyse before or after the games. It's hard for all involved to pretend that an All Ireland football Championship exists.


The funniest part is all these media analysis's petrified to say anything.  Most are on the gravy train and don't want to upset their (majority) readership, employers or sponsors. It's a constant of walking on egg-shells.

For Dublin it has become all about numbers - 7 in a row, 8 All Ireland medals, 8 in ten years. The individual AI wins have become so underwhelming, other ways of cathegorising them has to be clung to.





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 03:24:28 PM
2 replies above from Mayo gentlemen  :-\ . I understand it must be hard for you and for the country as even before 2011, there was always and always will be an underlying loathing of all things Dublin, especially GAA, and that's fine, its good rivalry, city slicker Jackeens Vrs spud walloping culchies etc. I understand it hurts people that Dublin win and with success comes great responsibility . .

Its not for Dublin fans to say anything or feel sorry for you,  like so many of you point out, i just want the Dublin fans to admit this, or that. . .  that is never going to happen, never, so the tune needs to change on that front gents, we are happy at the top of the pile and if it goes 10/11 in a row so be it. Then there is the belittlement of achievements and personal abuse of players etc etc that i wont go into.

There is also a lot of hypocrisy out there too, lads supporting Celtic going 9 in a row or whatever it is, not a word about poor St Mirren or Hearts and gap. Or Crossmaglen football men saying the Dubs winning is bad for the game.

I think the bigger problem here is, that only 5 counties have won it since 2003, when some say football began and lets be honest here, Cork won a handy fluky one in 2010. within that time, Mayo played in 3 finals that were not against the Dubs...

Only time will tell on Dublin, i will only worry when it reaches 15 in a row, but i know it wont, it could go 7 or 8 no problem, but youll just have to deal with that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind

Its quite frightening what people think of these players, i wonder was the same said about Cork lady footballers after their 6th in a row visiting the children's hospital. That's just good PR  was it...  there are underlying issues out there with these people that must not only be related to GAA, but to Dublin people in general.

Statements like these is why there will be no reconciliation.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on January 04, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind

Its quite frightening what people think of these players, i wonder was the same said about Cork lady footballers after their 6th in a row visiting the children's hospital. That's just good PR  was it...  there are underlying issues out there with these people that must not only be related to GAA, but to Dublin people in general.

Statements like these is why there will be no reconciliation.
Tbf , I don't think lar naparka is questioning Eoin Murchan at all in the above statement. I think everyone agrees that Dublin players are a credit to the association. The point being made is that Dublin's wins seem to generate less and less publicity and interest every year
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
Yeah fair point about Lar, not the worst, but Covid year don't forget, not as much going on after and just before Christmas too.

Not bothered by media coverage or no media coverage.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind
Hold on! Where did I say that? ;D ;D
I also never implied that Eoin Murchan was doing anything other than visiting sick kids in hospital. It was the only newsworthy item connected with Dublin's latest win that was carried by the national media. (AFAIK)
I never denied that Dublin under Jim Gavin did the same thing or implied in anyway that he did not.
I was naïve enough to think that anyone with an IQ no lower than his backside would have misread what I had to say.
Then you came along...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 05:00:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?

You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind
Hold on! Where did I say that? ;D ;D
I also never implied that Eoin Murchan was doing anything other than visiting sick kids in hospital. It was the only newsworthy item connected with Dublin's latest win that was carried by the national media. (AFAIK)
I never denied that Dublin under Jim Gavin did the same thing or implied in anyway that he did not.
I was naïve enough to think that anyone with an IQ no lower than his backside would have misread what I had to say.
Then you came along...

Apologies for claiming you said the dubs don't have real jobs. That clearly wasn't you
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 05:00:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?

You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind
Hold on! Where did I say that? ;D ;D
I also never implied that Eoin Murchan was doing anything other than visiting sick kids in hospital. It was the only newsworthy item connected with Dublin's latest win that was carried by the national media. (AFAIK)
I never denied that Dublin under Jim Gavin did the same thing or implied in anyway that he did not.
I was naïve enough to think that anyone with an IQ no lower than his backside would have misread what I had to say.
Then you came along...

Apologies for claiming you said the dubs don't have real jobs.
That clearly wasn't you
Well, you certainly got my attention straightaway.
But you also misunderstood what I had to say about Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street.
It was the almost complete lack of media interest in Dubliin's latest win that I was referring to.
I mean winning six in a row AIs was largely ignored by the national media.
If RTE and other news outlets weren't othered to devote time and space to this historic feat it was because they realised there was little or no public interest in what Dublion had achieved.
I don't think that can be taken as just a personal opinion either. The facts are there for all to see.
For the record, I don't criticise Dublin GAA for anything the team may have achieved.
Dublin plays by the rules.
But some of the reasons/excuses out forward by some Dublin fans on this  board are a different matter entirely.
I don't think much of endless and pointless whinging either. Pointing out the obvious on an Internet forum will achieve sweet FA. (IMO anyway.)
If the accusations are justified, the blame lies with other county boards for their inaction.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 05, 2021, 02:37:40 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 06:06:00 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 04, 2021, 04:29:48 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2021, 03:32:21 AM
The extra funding goes back to 2003!

Most of those Lads who were Minor (2011) would have been 10 years old then and starting out playing serious enough club games.



I'm not as familiar with the history of extra government funding as some might be.  I was responding to Lar's reference to Blue Wave funding, which began in 2011.   That's the funding issue I've heard as being a reason for Dublin's current dominance.  That argument doesn't add up, as I've argued above.

Stick a link up to extra funding beginning in 2003, and I'll try to respond if I can.  It's honestly the first I'm hearing of it, and a google search didn't bring anything up for me, except for the Westmeath's player letter referencing Dublin having issues that needed funding in 2003.
I can understand what you are saying and I will also accept what you say in your reply to me above.  I am talking about the facts you quoted, your conclusions are open to debate as mine are also.
I have tried to keep mine to a minimum and let the stats speak for themselves.
I had forgotten that the Bertie/ Bailey deal was struck in 2003. (Thanks FTB!)
I can’t even say that the money which came via the Sports Council oof Ireland, was designed for the senior team’s preparations or not but the fact remains that the team’s remarkable improvement in form began in 2005 to the extent that they have dominated proceedings in Leinster ever since.
As for the Blue Wave, it didn’t automatically produce players out of the, well, blue. The minor players you mention were there before this initiative was launched  but their continued development since then has to be a factor in the team’’s performance.
It might be inaccurate to link outside funding with the success or otherwise of any team’s success as this  assistance might not go directly to the team’s preparations but that's,IMO, sleight of hand.
Following on from John Costello’s annual reports, the costs of looking after Dublin teams were discussed here and, while I don’t recall offhand what they amounted to in any year, I remember that they certainly well exceeded those of any other county.
Apparently, Mayo came next on the list, its transport and accommodation costs were by far the largest item of expenditure.
You need also to keep in mind that the cost of looking after a county’s teams are the same for every county in the land. A gallon of diesel for the Roscommon team bus costs the same as ditto for the Dublin coach and an O’Neill’s football will cost the same in Dublin as in Kiltoom or wherever the Rossies train.
So talking about pro rata development grants as if the size of the grants should correlate with a county’s population is missing the point completely.
Put simply, to prepare both teams to the same level of performance, the relative costs should be relatively equal.
That’s the theory anyway but the reality is very different.

I'd agree with a lot of what you say there Lar.  In terms of money for senior team preparation, that should be earmarked, and travel should be on top of whatever the county team gets for other purposes.

One spot where I don't agree with you, and it may be that we're thinking of different years when it comes to expense lists, but my memory is that other counties such as Cork and Mayo have fairly similar spending budgets to Dublin. Though as you say a significant proportion of that was travel related, which Dublin don't have to fund.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/revealed-here-is-how-much-your-county-spent-on-its-teams-in-2017-with-dublin-only-the-second-biggest-spenders-36576369.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/revealed-here-is-how-much-your-county-spent-on-its-teams-in-2017-with-dublin-only-the-second-biggest-spenders-36576369.html)

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html)

You've thanked FTB for reminding you that the Ahern/Bailey deal was 2003.  When did the money start to come in from this deal, and where did it go (to the senior team, to schools, to clubs?).   Again, I'm not as knowledgeable as some may be on this stuff, and google isn't bringing up much for Ahern/Bailey/gaa/2003 for me at least.   Maybe FTB can stick up a link.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 05, 2021, 07:26:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind
Hold on! Where did I say that? ;D ;D
I also never implied that Eoin Murchan was doing anything other than visiting sick kids in hospital. It was the only newsworthy item connected with Dublin's latest win that was carried by the national media. (AFAIK)
I never denied that Dublin under Jim Gavin did the same thing or implied in anyway that he did not.
I was naïve enough to think that anyone with an IQ no lower than his backside would have misread what I had to say.
Then you came along...

Now now, fair point, i misread it, but others would say it, or when Cluxton laid the wreath, good PR, 6 or 7 other teams laid the wreath too, not good PR. You see what i am getting at..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on January 05, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
This whole discussion has been very unsatisfactory from the start. And it's unsatisfactory because neither side of the argument seems to really have reliable, comprehensive evidence of what's gone on in Dublin in the last 15 years. So we're left talking through tidbits of financial info gleaned from disparate sources, or through anecdotal experiences and conversations, or about nebulous and antagonistic things like player occupations or car deals. Both sides dismiss or seek to qualify anything put forward by the other. No one comes away any more informed or convinced of anything. It's a load of dung.

It's important to appreciate that this discussion has grown far beyond us internet gobshites, and genuinely threatens to become the most poisonous and divisive issue in GAA circles. We need to given clarity. We need authoritative, detailed figures on the financing of Dublin GAA over the last two decades. What money has gone in; where it has been spent; the justification for the expenditure; and how it compares with other areas of the country. Only with this sort of detail can an informed discussion take place about future funding and structuring of the GAA in Dublin.

It's time for Tom Ryan and others in the GAA hierarchy to show some leadership here and take ownership of the conversation. Failure to do so can only be a result of one or both of the following:
1. There's something to hide. Dublin have been in receipt of disproportionate funding, and no one in GAA officialdom wants to stand over the rationale for this.
2. The GAA hierarchy are out of touch with the grassroots. They do not appreciate just how disaffected and disinterested many across the country have become with the intercounty game, and with the perceived inequalities driving competition into the ground.

Somebody in some position of power has to make an honest effort to put this issue to bed one way or another. Dublin is just going to continue to grow, continue to need funding, and continue to win all around them. The issue is not just going to go away.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on January 05, 2021, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind

Its quite frightening what people think of these players, i wonder was the same said about Cork lady footballers after their 6th in a row visiting the children's hospital. That's just good PR  was it...  there are underlying issues out there with these people that must not only be related to GAA, but to Dublin people in general.

Statements like these is why there will be no reconciliation.

Most AI winning teams do this, do they not? It's not just a Dublin thing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 05, 2021, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 05, 2021, 04:05:22 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 04, 2021, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 04, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Still my favorite thread on here.. makes it all that sweeter.
Mine too because I am fascinated by the pointlessness of it all.
Otherwise perfectly sensible posters can spend hours bickering over irrelevancies while the real crux of the matter is left largely unnoticed.
Dublin, is by a great distance, the best team in the land. I think that has to be acknowledged by all sides of the dispute.
How it got there is not that important but the fact that no other team is on the same level certainly is. IT seems the great majority of Dublin people are bored with Stephen Cluxton's annual trip up the steps and deliver his usual cúpla focail. AFAIK, not one extra banner waving in the wind from Balbriggan to Carrickmines.
Eoin Murchan's visit to Temple Street hospital was trhe only event that got decent coverage in the national media.
Do you seriously think that the whole exercise in futility gained Dublin one extra fan?
You lads who imagine that the good times are here to stay remind me of George Washington.
The storey goes tat young George was told to saw off an overhanging branch of a tree.
The day was hot and George was lazy so he got the bright idea to sit on the branch while cutting it.
Unfortunately for him, he sat on the outer side of the cut and wound up in the Potomac river.
I think there a moral there for you Dublin diehards. You can smirk away but you don't see what's coming down the line..

You could have just said you've no evidence to back your dublin are professional claims.

Eoin Murchan visiting sick kids was nothing to do with working on Dublin's PR image or trying to garner extra fans. It was simply about trying to brighten the day for sick kids and their families and maybe let them forget about their worries for a short time. Dublin have been doing this for years under Jim Gavin. You really have a sick and twisted mind

Its quite frightening what people think of these players, i wonder was the same said about Cork lady footballers after their 6th in a row visiting the children's hospital. That's just good PR  was it...  there are underlying issues out there with these people that must not only be related to GAA, but to Dublin people in general.

Statements like these is why there will be no reconciliation.

Most AI winning teams do this, do they not? It's not just a Dublin thing.

Its not even just a GAA thing...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Eire90 on January 12, 2021, 03:11:10 AM
The thing is with the Dublin being so dominate gaa fans will think its great if mayo and kerry win an odd championship that is terrible too just having the championship swap between three teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Halfquarter on January 12, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 12, 2021, 03:11:10 AM
The thing is with the Dublin being so dominate gaa fans will think its great if mayo and kerry win an odd championship that is terrible too just having the championship swap between three teams.

Yeah, that's terrible, Mayo won it in 1951, probably time to divide the county into two separate teams !
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
Angelo has a very similar tone to Dublin's favorite Journalist Ewan McKenna, including personal insults.

Good on the lads getting cushy numbers, Jesus if only i could, they should enjoy it, best years of their lives, plenty of time after their careers are finished.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule no 136: All Dublin players must work in a coal mine, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Underage development squads not excluded.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 13, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
Angelo has a very similar tone to Dublin's favorite Journalist Ewan McKenna, including personal insults.

Good on the lads getting cushy numbers, Jesus if only i could, they should enjoy it, best years of their lives, plenty of time after their careers are finished.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule no 136: All Dublin players must work in a coal mine, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Underage development squads not excluded.
For my two cents worth, I have no problem with players, any players, making a few bob on the side. What they do off the field is their business. I have lots of reservations about Dublin football in general but what the players do in their private lives is not one of them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 13, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
Angelo has a very similar tone to Dublin's favorite Journalist Ewan McKenna, including personal insults.

Good on the lads getting cushy numbers, Jesus if only i could, they should enjoy it, best years of their lives, plenty of time after their careers are finished.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule no 136: All Dublin players must work in a coal mine, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Underage development squads not excluded.
For my two cents worth, I have no problem with players, any players, making a few bob on the side. What they do off the field is their business. I have lots of reservations about Dublin football in general but what the players do in their private lives is not one of them.

Fair play Lar, most dont, but their is always a few.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
Angelo has a very similar tone to Dublin's favorite Journalist Ewan McKenna, including personal insults.

Good on the lads getting cushy numbers, Jesus if only i could, they should enjoy it, best years of their lives, plenty of time after their careers are finished.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule no 136: All Dublin players must work in a coal mine, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Underage development squads not excluded.

Ah the Unionist Dublin supporter.

The Jackeens from The Pale never change their spots.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

What is his background in corporate investment?

Don't think working as a fundraiser for a NPO and a degree in sports science has any relevance to corporate investment.

Dubs defending the indefensible as usual.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 06:49:08 AM
Angelo has a very similar tone to Dublin's favorite Journalist Ewan McKenna, including personal insults.

Good on the lads getting cushy numbers, Jesus if only i could, they should enjoy it, best years of their lives, plenty of time after their careers are finished.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule no 136: All Dublin players must work in a coal mine, 6 days a week, 12 hours a day. Underage development squads not excluded.

Ah the Unionist Dublin supporter.

The Jackeens from The Pale never change their spots.

;D ;D ;D ;D

good one. An you proved my point above
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

What is his background in corporate investment?

Don't think working as a fundraiser for a NPO and a degree in sports science has any relevance to corporate investment.

Dubs defending the indefensible as usual.

What's the issue?  Who cares what he does or doesn't do. Its another insignificant gripe.

Gaaboard Dublin fairness rule #137: Dublin are not allowed win anything ever or have a good team, Winning is only allowed for the bogballers down the country.

Still my favorite thread. 



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

What is his background in corporate investment?

Don't think working as a fundraiser for a NPO and a degree in sports science has any relevance to corporate investment.

Dubs defending the indefensible as usual.

What's the issue?  Who cares what he does or doesn't do. Its another insignificant gripe.

Gaaboard Dublin fairness rule #137: Dublin are not allowed win anything ever or have a good team, Winning is only allowed for the bogballers down the country.

Still my favorite thread.

Well I guess you don't care that Dublin are a de facto professional outfit while other teams have players with real jobs and long commutes to worry about.

The Unionist Dublin fan despises a level playing field.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 01:04:45 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 01:00:19 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on January 13, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 13, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 04, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 03, 2021, 11:41:47 PM
Don't Davy sponsor the GPA?

Yes. But he works for axrivsl company

Who works for a rival company?
The person we were discussing

Who is? Dean Rock?

Dean Rock has started work with a subsidiary of Davy, not a rival.

What did he do before that? he is 30 now. Stewarts Care, a job he did with distinction.

What is his background in corporate investment?

Don't think working as a fundraiser for a NPO and a degree in sports science has any relevance to corporate investment.

Dubs defending the indefensible as usual.

What's the issue?  Who cares what he does or doesn't do. Its another insignificant gripe.

Gaaboard Dublin fairness rule #137: Dublin are not allowed win anything ever or have a good team, Winning is only allowed for the bogballers down the country.

Still my favorite thread.

Well I guess you don't care that Dublin are a de facto professional outfit while other teams have players with real jobs and long commutes to worry about.

The Unionist Dublin fan despises a level playing field.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule #138 - Dublin players are not allowed work in their own city if they live there and if they do work in Dublin, they must live outside of Dublin so they can have a longer commute to training. This will significantly level the playing field with the likes of Leitrim and Offaly.

GAABoard Dublin fairness rule #139 - Label all Dublin natives and fans " Unionists " if they disagree with you or defend their own team, players and county even if the poster is from a working class republican background.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 26, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
Officialdom still "on message"
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/there-is-nothing-to-be-gained-from-division-or-in-depicting-dublin-as-a-problem-leinster-gaa-chairman-pat-teehan-40011848.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 26, 2021, 06:51:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2zYFjIW8AA28cR.jpg)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: whitey on January 26, 2021, 07:42:28 PM
A friend of a friend is a big wig at AIG

A bunch of execs were on a golf trip to Trumps Doonbeg property a few years ago and were hosted one night by the mighty Dubs....they all got jerseys thrown in for good measure

Meanwhile Colm Boyle is apprehending people with imitation firearms

https://www.mayonews.ie/news/33175-man-who-drank-poitin-bought-an-air-gun-to-shoot-a-mouse

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on January 26, 2021, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2021, 07:42:28 PM
A friend of a friend is a big wig at AIG

A bunch of execs were on a golf trip to Trumps Doonbeg property a few years ago and were hosted one night by the mighty Dubs....they all got jerseys thrown in for good measure

Meanwhile Colm Boyle is apprehending people with imitation firearms

https://www.mayonews.ie/news/33175-man-who-drank-poitin-bought-an-air-gun-to-shoot-a-mouse

Bring back Timothy


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-inside-story-mayo-the-county-board-and-the-row-with-the-millionaire-38675616.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 27, 2021, 10:37:37 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/there-should-be-alarm-bells-going-off-in-leinster-offices-connellan-slams-lazy-arguments-on-dubs-funding-40016132.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on January 29, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Where have you been the last decade? The moon?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Where have you been the last decade? The moon?

I keen the 'super' clubs had big numbers, but keeping 5 minor teams going is impressive
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on January 29, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Hearsay
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 30, 2021, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Where have you been the last decade? The moon?

He's belatedly seeing the light .
Now if only the Leinster Chairman would take his head out of the stand and write his own speech......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 30, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 29, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Hearsay
Depends on what you mean by hearsay.
The chairman on Na Fianna at the time issued a statement that was reported by RTE News, amongst news outlets and was subsequently repeated by Paschal Donohoe, the Finance Minister, that's on the record too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 01, 2021, 07:52:18 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 30, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 29, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Hearsay
Depends on what you mean by hearsay.
The chairman on Na Fianna at the time issued a statement that was reported by RTE News, amongst news outlets and was subsequently repeated by Paschal Donohoe, the Finance Minister, that's on the record too.

Id say that is close to accurate, across all ages and codes including camogie and ladies football. But this is nothing new, the Super club... The problem is keeping them all into adult games and most juveniles are playing multiple sports... etc.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 01, 2021, 08:51:08 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 01, 2021, 07:52:18 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 30, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 29, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Hearsay
Depends on what you mean by hearsay.
The chairman on Na Fianna at the time issued a statement that was reported by RTE News, amongst news outlets and was subsequently repeated by Paschal Donohoe, the Finance Minister, that's on the record too.

Id say that is close to accurate, across all ages and codes including camogie and ladies football.
But this is nothing new, the Super club... The problem is keeping them all into adult games and most juveniles are playing multiple sports... etc.
That I'd say is true in the case of Skerries Harps but Na Fianna emphasised that the figure of 2,000 were juveniles only. (Personally, I can't see how they fit them in .)
You can take it that it is true because back when the SRC report came out in 2003, the point was emphasised that 5 Dublin clubs could each field more juveniles that any of the 5 midwest counties. Leitrim, Roscommon, Fermanagh, Cavan and Longford. (I think Sligo got a mention here too.)
The clubs, IIRC, were Vincents, Thomas Davis, Crokes and Brigids.
But Gaelic clubs are structured like pyramids with very broad bases but as you money up towards the pinnacle, the room for players gets less and less. If Na FIanna have 20,00 kids at weekends and that's what JImmy Grey, the chairman, and Pascal Donohoe both claimed , there won't be 200 around when they reach u20 and above.
THe Dublin mammy, looks on the local club as an ideal place to keep her kids occupied during the summer camps and the clubs field multiple teams at the early levels but the drop out as the kids get older and the number of teams row less. Lots of kids drop out because the ma feels they can be let out to play on the street and saves her the money to send them to summer cúl camps.
The thing to stress is that those parents don't support the club in any way by way of club memberships or fundraising drives and that's a major reason why so many big clubs are short of cash.
Running multiple juvenile clubs cost money and there is nothing coming in to offset it.
Soccer is structured much differently. There are loads of local leagues and kids can find their level in  a number of clubs local to their area. At the most basic level, all a club needs is a joint lease on a City Council pitch and a disused lorry container parke on the side of the pitch.
Generally, all the kids go to the same school or at least play together on the road so they know each other well and very often its a parent or a neighbour who manages the team.
Those scores of mini clubs can get through to young people in a way big, impersonal super clubs cannot.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: highorlow on February 01, 2021, 03:05:45 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/the-dubs-and-money-q-a-pat-teehan-v-john-connellan-1.4470939

Good read on the debate between Teehan and Connellan in Saturday's times. Teehan admitting the overfunding to Dublin by comparison to others (particularly urban areas outside Dublin) but at the same time is prepared to let it continue.

It's a pity Connellan wasn't on the SG that evening last year with Gilroy instead of a fairly weak McEntee.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 01, 2021, 03:28:31 PM
Teehans speech was probably written by Horan or Costello ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on February 01, 2021, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 30, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 29, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Hearsay
Depends on what you mean by hearsay.
The chairman on Na Fianna at the time issued a statement that was reported by RTE News, amongst news outlets and was subsequently repeated by Paschal Donohoe, the Finance Minister, that's on the record too.
I was just joking, anticipating the counter argument.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 01, 2021, 08:38:19 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 01, 2021, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 30, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 29, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 29, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 29, 2021, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
Was talking to a work colleague of mine today, Was a Crokes player but has moved out of Dublin a few years, was telling me that Crokes had/have a Minor e team! A fifth tier minor team! Wtf

Even before Dublins dominance he says they have 5,000 plus members!

Is this genuinely news? They have a cachement area bigger than many counties
I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
Remember the fuss last year when a proposal emerged to take over the Na Fianna pitch on Mobhi Road in order to build a Metro North rail station?
The chairman said at the time that their club premises were used by over 2,000 kids at weekends.
Going back to 2003 (?) when the Strategic Review Committee published its report, the claim was made that each of 5 Dublin clubs (including Crokes) fielded more juvenile payers than any of five counties, Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Fermanagh.
A Skerries Harps committee member told me once that the club fielded a total of 77 teams.
Hearsay
Depends on what you mean by hearsay.
The chairman on Na Fianna at the time issued a statement that was reported by RTE News, amongst news outlets and was subsequently repeated by Paschal Donohoe, the Finance Minister, that's on the record too.
I was just joking, anticipating the counter argument.
No prob ;D ;D
To be honest, I'd didn't know how to take you. I decided to play it safe but I felt you mightn't be 100% serious.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40222085.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: 6th sam on February 08, 2021, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40222085.html

Brilliantly simple article , from a honest GAA man with a business head.
My problem is not with Dublin , it's with the GAA continuing to allow Dublin to have grossly unfair advantages.
Conway has focussed on population advantage but several other advantages , here's a top 10 fir starters :
1. The weighted provincial system minor u20 senior
2. Success breeds success, PR wise and belief wise
3. Access to best, most glamorous stadium
4. Accessibility to expertise( sporting and business)in the capital
5. Accessible best resources: abbotstown, universities.
6. Power base at top of GAA: Croke, Leinster , GPA
7. Attraction to team sponsors: market share, location in capital, winners
8. Player sponsorship deals
9. Player career development/business  opportunities
10. Player retention easier due to all above
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 12:28:09 PM
Solutions?
1 Break up the monster
2 Create a number of Monsters
3 Whisper it....County players go quasi pro during the 6 or 7 month County season....work 3 days, GAA makes up their loss of earnings the other 2 as they train/prepare.

1 The most obvious. Dublin becomes a GAA Province with 4 County Boards.
2 Would anyone support a "North Leinster" or "West Ulster"? Kerry's Regional teams and Cork's Divisional teams seem to work well and attract support.
3 No! But probably inevitable if 1 or 2 doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
 ;D

Amalgamations . . . . . . . . .. . . . That is the only solution, if you think it is a problem...





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on February 08, 2021, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 08, 2021, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40222085.html

Brilliantly simple article , from a honest GAA man with a business head.
My problem is not with Dublin , it's with the GAA continuing to allow Dublin to have grossly unfair advantages.
Conway has focussed on population advantage but several other advantages , here's a top 10 fir starters :
1. The weighted provincial system minor u20 senior
2. Success breeds success, PR wise and belief wise
3. Access to best, most glamorous stadium
4. Accessibility to expertise( sporting and business)in the capital
5. Accessible best resources: abbotstown, universities.
6. Power base at top of GAA: Croke, Leinster , GPA
7. Attraction to team sponsors: market share, location in capital, winners
8. Player sponsorship deals
9. Player career development/business  opportunities
10. Player retention easier due to all above

Shh the Dubs don't want to talk about that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 01:38:13 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 08, 2021, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 11:07:43 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40222085.html

Brilliantly simple article , from a honest GAA man with a business head.
My problem is not with Dublin , it's with the GAA continuing to allow Dublin to have grossly unfair advantages.
Conway has focussed on population advantage but several other advantages , here's a top 10 fir starters :
1. The weighted provincial system minor u20 senior
2. Success breeds success, PR wise and belief wise
3. Access to best, most glamorous stadium
4. Accessibility to expertise( sporting and business)in the capital
5. Accessible best resources: abbotstown, universities.
6. Power base at top of GAA: Croke, Leinster , GPA
7. Attraction to team sponsors: market share, location in capital, winners
8. Player sponsorship deals
9. Player career development/business  opportunities
10. Player retention easier due to all above

Just kick Dublin out of the All ireland football championship, But not the hurling, or underage..... we just dont like to seem them winning. We want the days back in the noughties when we can laugh at them on the InTeRnEt


1. The weighted provincial system minor u20 senior - GAA issue, which other county boards support
2. Success breeds success, PR wise and belief wise - Agree
3. Access to best, most glamorous stadium - If you believe that, was never a problem pre 2011, but now it is. Agree most games should be neutral grounds.
4. Accessibility to expertise( sporting and business)in the capital - True, Not used though.
5. Accessible best resources: abbotstown, universities. Dont use Abbotstown, move GYM to Parnell park, Training pitch is innis fails in Kinsealy on the slanty pitch and cold showers.
6. Power base at top of GAA: Croke, Leinster , GPA - Recentley, Horan on way out, Flynn gone.
7. Attraction to team sponsors: market share, location in capital, winners - Agree
8. Player sponsorship deals - A handful, no more or less than Kerry, Mayo....
9. Player career development/business  opportunities - Agree, always been the case, but is it not the case in Kerry or Tyrone? would they see a player out of work. . . . . . Wake up
10. Player retention easier due to all above - Would need to see analysis and figures over the last 30 years, is this senior intercounty football only or across the board?.

Happy to discuss. A lot of the above is nothing new.

Offer real solutions, splitting Dublin is not a solution, its a cop out and would destroy Dublin GAA and perhaps the larger GAA as is for many reasons.
Finance, take away all the sponsorship deals you want, don't go after funding for underage though and children and Schools, another cop out.

I like the idea myself of amalgamations, lets explore this option. It works in Kerry. 

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on February 08, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
I often think the perfect solution for Intercounty season is one that's sitting right under its nose - the clubs structure of Senior/Intermediate/Junior.

Earn your right to play at the top level. Play the provincials as a stand-alone competition.

Not ideal maybe but current structure isn't working. Attendances falling  all the time and been masked by Super 8s which haven't worked. Competitiveness isn't getting any better in Leinster.

From Dublins point of view, they just need to be challenged more often by teams who want to have a go at them, at home or on the road. If they had to play Division 1 teams more often as main competition in the All Ireland, they'd be tested and weaknesses would appear. At present they aim to peak when others are really competing.

At present the structure is a Hydrid of everything - a knockout with a back door to qualify for a league competition that returns to a knockout. I don't team any other team sport would have such a structure as it's main competition.

Lot of tweaking to be done to S/I/J structure but really need to decide a structure, commit to it for 10 years and play it. Every year a massive debate on change and it's not healthy as gives false hope that a change will come to allow teams make strides rather than them knowing with certainty what is ahead and strategically set about it.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 03:42:28 PM
There are many changes could be made to competition structures BUT Dublin will still have 1.4m people and 39,000 players.
It's like having Manchester City in the Irish Soccer league.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on February 08, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Louther on February 08, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
I often think the perfect solution for Intercounty season is one that's sitting right under its nose - the clubs structure of Senior/Intermediate/Junior.

Earn your right to play at the top level. Play the provincials as a stand-alone competition.

Not ideal maybe but current structure isn't working. Attendances falling  all the time and been masked by Super 8s which haven't worked. Competitiveness isn't getting any better in Leinster.


Quote from: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 01:38:13 PM


Offer real solutions, splitting Dublin is not a solution, its a cop out and would destroy Dublin GAA and perhaps the larger GAA as is for many reasons.
Finance, take away all the sponsorship deals you want, don't go after funding for underage though and children and Schools, another cop out.

I like the idea myself of amalgamations, lets explore this option. It works in Kerry.

Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on February 08, 2021, 04:02:27 PM
Quote from: five points on February 08, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Louther on February 08, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
I often think the perfect solution for Intercounty season is one that's sitting right under its nose - the clubs structure of Senior/Intermediate/Junior.

Earn your right to play at the top level. Play the provincials as a stand-alone competition.

Not ideal maybe but current structure isn't working. Attendances falling  all the time and been masked by Super 8s which haven't worked. Competitiveness isn't getting any better in Leinster.


Quote from: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 01:38:13 PM


Offer real solutions, splitting Dublin is not a solution, its a cop out and would destroy Dublin GAA and perhaps the larger GAA as is for many reasons.
Finance, take away all the sponsorship deals you want, don't go after funding for underage though and children and Schools, another cop out.

I like the idea myself of amalgamations, lets explore this option. It works in Kerry.

Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?

Louther is an alias of dublin7 so no surprise there.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on February 08, 2021, 04:07:05 PM
Amalgamations would be nuclear option at county level. The game be gone beyond repair at that stage plus I don't think a combination of counties would yield a challenge to Dublin.

Breaking Dublin an option to say a clear North and South of the Liffey but I think that if counties can find their level and build success up from there, they will get a platform to perform at higher level.

Many counties have not won All Ireland nor won their provincials in a long time ( >:( Joe Sheridan ), so there always been weaker and stronger counties, at present the issue is the outlook where it's clear Dublin have structures in place that will see them at top table for long time. I don't think the immediate change should be that Carlow or Louth earn chance to compete with them next year, make it the case that Kerry/Tyrone/Mayo/ Galway etc challenge them. Let Louth build up to them.

And we see the penny dropping in many counties that resources need to go round the county and not into current senior panels solely. Counties making attends to bring the development squad structures from minor to u20 panels and continuing the work to get players senior ready. Meath one county that seem clear to go down this path, Down another. Others already this place.

The major advantages Dublin have is their club structures and this where numbers and resources come into plan. They have serious structures in place whereby clubs are effectively doing the work of what county development squads are doing. They have numbers coming in at primary school level helped via the GPOs, coaching these, taking them through into the club set up, having range of teams to focus on the best players, develop these players at high level with full time coaching structure such as S&C and then taking the very best through. All the time allowing players play in teams and leagues at their own level. They can offer highly competitive competition at one end and regular games for those below this level. All under the club umbrella and generally at single age group per player. The development squads then can focus on playing and the high level performance. 

Most counties end up pulling quality players between development squads and various age groups to play games and field teams.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on February 08, 2021, 04:18:21 PM
Also the new age structures will only play into hands of Dublin. Their club leagues will be able to allow for u19 or u20 club teams in a competitive league. I struggle to see any other counties managing to put u19 or u20 competitions in a meaningful and structured competition on annual basis. Dublins playing numbers will allow this.
Clubs are going to struggle to keep lads out of u17s playing football even those with some potential, the jump too great.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: five points on February 08, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Louther on February 08, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
I often think the perfect solution for Intercounty season is one that's sitting right under its nose - the clubs structure of Senior/Intermediate/Junior.

Earn your right to play at the top level. Play the provincials as a stand-alone competition.

Not ideal maybe but current structure isn't working. Attendances falling  all the time and been masked by Super 8s which haven't worked. Competitiveness isn't getting any better in Leinster.


Quote from: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 01:38:13 PM


Offer real solutions, splitting Dublin is not a solution, its a cop out and would destroy Dublin GAA and perhaps the larger GAA as is for many reasons.
Finance, take away all the sponsorship deals you want, don't go after funding for underage though and children and Schools, another cop out.

I like the idea myself of amalgamations, lets explore this option. It works in Kerry.

Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?

Why split Dublin or in other words punish Dublin? Oh the population argument, 1.4 million males between the ages of 18-35 who play Gaelic footfall and senior club football.

When the inevitable happens with certain counties exiting the provisional and all Ireland championship, why not give them another bite of the cherry as a regional team? Gives some players a chance to enter the fray late into the championship and complete at the Q/F S/F and final stage. Similar to the Kerry model.

And no I'm not Pat Gilroy.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 03:42:28 PM
There are many changes could be made to competition structures BUT Dublin will still have 1.4m people and 39,000 players.
It's like having Manchester City in the Irish Soccer league.

;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on February 09, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: five points on February 08, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?

Why split Dublin or in other words punish Dublin? Oh the population argument, 1.4 million males between the ages of 18-35 who play Gaelic footfall and senior club football.

When the inevitable happens with certain counties exiting the provisional and all Ireland championship, why not give them another bite of the cherry as a regional team? Gives some players a chance to enter the fray late into the championship and complete at the Q/F S/F and final stage. Similar to the Kerry model.

And no I'm not Pat Gilroy.

Because when you find yourself anywhere with a structural problem caused by the dominance of one entity in a group of 32, it makes more sense to address the problem by making changes to that entity than to the other 31.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 09, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: five points on February 09, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 08, 2021, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: five points on February 08, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Common denominator here. Leave Dublin alone but twist, bend and break the weaker counties.

Am I missing something?

Why split Dublin or in other words punish Dublin? Oh the population argument, 1.4 million males between the ages of 18-35 who play Gaelic footfall and senior club football.

When the inevitable happens with certain counties exiting the provisional and all Ireland championship, why not give them another bite of the cherry as a regional team? Gives some players a chance to enter the fray late into the championship and complete at the Q/F S/F and final stage. Similar to the Kerry model.

And no I'm not Pat Gilroy.

Because when you find yourself anywhere with a structural problem caused by the dominance of one entity in a group of 32, it makes more sense to address the problem by making changes to that entity than to the other 31.

If it is your opinion the problem is the Dublin Senior Footballers and not other factors. If you were splitting Dublin in 4 say, is it satisfactory to split the Hurling team too? possible having 3 to 4 div 2 and div 3 teams, only the other top 7 or 8 teams are allowed to compete for all irelands.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on February 09, 2021, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 09, 2021, 10:57:22 AM

If it is your opinion the problem is the Dublin Senior Footballers and not other factors. If you were splitting Dublin in 4 say, is it satisfactory to split the Hurling team too? possible having 3 to 4 div 2 and div 3 teams, only the other top 7 or 8 teams are allowed to compete for all irelands.

Your point here is unclear. Can you maybe reword it please?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 09, 2021, 11:10:59 AM
Sorry, if it is your opinion and others that the greatest problem facing the GAA today is the Dublin senior football team only and because they are winning and dominating (remains to be seen what happens over the next few years) and the  solution offered is to split them in 4 (county council areas), what you would also be creating and diminishing and punishing is Dublin hurling who are just about competing at senior level and miles away from an all Ireland, splitting them in 4 you will end up with 3 teams probably competing in division 3 and 4 and maybe south Dublin might scrape 1.B or 2. Even a 2 way split would be decremental.

Based on the above point, Should Dublin be allowed to compete for an All Ireland Hurling championship as a whole county? Should the Hurling players be punished for the success of the Footballers? is the Senior Hurling championship a better place with Dublin in it considering that a lot of counties are only interested in Football and in some counties couldn't care less about it, do nothing to promote it and look down there noses at it?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: five points on February 09, 2021, 11:15:17 AM
Dublin hurling has already been split though, albeit for leagues.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 09, 2021, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: five points on February 09, 2021, 11:15:17 AM
Dublin hurling has already been split though, albeit for leagues.

Yeah Dublin Fingal, didnt work out.

Questions still there for you all to answer.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 09, 2021, 12:22:45 PM
If Kerry, Antrim and Galway hurlers can play in the "Leinster" Championship I'm sure the GAA can continue that flexible arrangement to allow an All Dublin hurling team to take part as well.
How many of the 39,000 would be primarily hurlers or hurlers only?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on February 09, 2021, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 09, 2021, 12:22:45 PM
If Kerry, Antrim and Galway hurlers can play in the "Leinster" Championship I'm sure the GAA can continue that flexible arrangement to allow an All Dublin hurling team to take part as well.
How many of the 39,000 would be primarily hurlers or hurlers only?

I thought Dublin 1.5 million players  Tom???
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 08:48:38 AM
Dublin are brilliant. I have nothing but respect for them.
The greatest Gaelic Football team of all time and they should be respected and treated as such.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: reillycavan on February 13, 2021, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 08:48:38 AM
Dublin are brilliant. I have nothing but respect for them.
The greatest Gaelic Football team of all time and they should be respected and treated as such.

Welcome on board Des Cahill
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 13, 2021, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2021, 03:42:28 PM
There are many changes could be made to competition structures BUT Dublin will still have 1.4m people and 39,000 players.
It's like having Manchester City in the Irish Soccer league.

Have you even been to Dublin?

39,000 is only a bit more than Cork  have with 1/8th of the population. Playing numbers are a problem
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120



So why are 33,832 registered players in Cork given less money for development versus 39,197 in Dublin?

What is the logic?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on February 14, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120



So why are 33,832 registered players in Cork given less money for development versus 39,197 in Dublin?

What is the logic?
The numbers are the logic. They're trying to increase playing numbers in Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 14, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120



So why are 33,832 registered players in Cork given less money for development versus 39,197 in Dublin?

What is the logic?
The numbers are the logic. They're trying to increase playing numbers in Dublin.

And are they? Or are they making elite players and clubs out the huge funding?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 14, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120



So why are 33,832 registered players in Cork given less money for development versus 39,197 in Dublin?

What is the logic?
The numbers are the logic. They're trying to increase playing numbers in Dublin.

And are they? Or are they making elite players and clubs out the huge funding?

I don't think its working in that narrow sense but the money is going into schools especially in areas with no tradition of Gaelic games. We work in a very different environment and huge resources need to be spent just to stand still

But the point I am making is while Dublin has the 'most playiers' it is very low in the % list. There simply aren't the numbers playing that some are claiming.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 14, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120



So why are 33,832 registered players in Cork given less money for development versus 39,197 in Dublin?

What is the logic?
The numbers are the logic. They're trying to increase playing numbers in Dublin.

And are they? Or are they making elite players and clubs out the huge funding?

I don't think its working in that narrow sense but the money is going into schools especially in areas with no tradition of Gaelic games. We work in a very different environment and huge resources need to be spent just to stand still

But the point I am making is while Dublin has the 'most playiers' it is very low in the % list. There simply aren't the numbers playing that some are claiming.

So the GAA are paying over the odds to hold onto club players and keep clubs going? There is no real growth? Are you saying there are less than 39k now?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2021, 07:59:08 PM
If they were split into 4 County Boards they'd have to get off their fat arses and get more playing the games.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2021, 07:59:08 PM
If they were split into 4 County Boards they'd have to get off their fat arses and get more playing the games.

But what they have now is easier. They will always have potentially more people that could be playing. So they can just eternally sell that to get the big money. The present system allows them to have Elite Clubs without doing to much work on fundraising.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 09:21:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 14, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120



So why are 33,832 registered players in Cork given less money for development versus 39,197 in Dublin?

What is the logic?
The numbers are the logic. They're trying to increase playing numbers in Dublin.

And are they? Or are they making elite players and clubs out the huge funding?

I don't think its working in that narrow sense but the money is going into schools especially in areas with no tradition of Gaelic games. We work in a very different environment and huge resources need to be spent just to stand still

But the point I am making is while Dublin has the 'most playiers' it is very low in the % list. There simply aren't the numbers playing that some are claiming.

So the GAA are paying over the odds to hold onto club players and keep clubs going? There is no real growth? Are you saying there are less than 39k now?

Yes. Hard to tell, but its an investment in the future. No idea.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40226801.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on February 15, 2021, 12:45:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120

Where can this registered player data be found? Is it consistent across the country?

Would be very interesting to delve deeper into it. Initial reaction would be that numbers seem to be inflated for a number of counties.

Back of an envelop calculation for Armagh would mean about 1 in 4 of every man, woman and child (of nationalist persuasion) between the ages of 4 and 40 are registered 'players' - my personal experience would suggest that this is a gross exaggeration.

I'm sure clubs in certain areas and jurisdictions have reasons for inflating playing memberships - but that might mean this data is not reliable for use in the context of the discussion on this thread.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
Probably find it in the Annual report to Congress?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on February 15, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
Probably find it in the Annual report to Congress?

Had a quick look there, but couldn't find anything. Maybe someone else will have more joy.

Sources for figures like this are difficult to find. Typically, it's an unsubstantiated tweet or some sketchy article that gets thrown up in support of an argument. Very frustrating, as without this data it becomes impossible to have a discussion of any real substance.

It's all just shite talk without the numbers.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
I have a page from a Congress report somewhere that has figures on it but it's from around 2014/15.
Some other figures going back a bit but telling!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.researchgate.net/figure/Games-development-money-received-from-GAA-per-registered-player-in-a-county_fig1_308516324/amp
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 03:42:54 PM
Maybe this is what I was thinking about
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 15, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Not to go over old ground, a lot of good points made above, but the development money is not just per head registered club player.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on February 15, 2021, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
I have a page from a Congress report somewhere that has figures on it but it's from around 2014/15.
Some other figures going back a bit but telling!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.researchgate.net/figure/Games-development-money-received-from-GAA-per-registered-player-in-a-county_fig1_308516324/amp

Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2021, 03:42:54 PM
Maybe this is what I was thinking about
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120

These figures are from the same guy, who seems to have been producing papers out of at Tallaght IT in and around 2015. There's no reason to doubt his numbers, but he doesn't really reference his sources other than to throw up a link for the GAA Reports to Congress. Not sure about these reports in the past, but those from recent years don't carry the figures.

So we have very little reliable recent data to inform the conversation. Which is a real shame, because there's a very important conversation to be had here.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 16, 2021, 04:13:58 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on February 15, 2021, 12:45:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120

Where can this registered player data be found? Is it consistent across the country?

Would be very interesting to delve deeper into it. Initial reaction would be that numbers seem to be inflated for a number of counties.

Back of an envelop calculation for Armagh would mean about 1 in 4 of every man, woman and child (of nationalist persuasion) between the ages of 4 and 40 are registered 'players' - my personal experience would suggest that this is a gross exaggeration.

I'm sure clubs in certain areas and jurisdictions have reasons for inflating playing memberships - but that might mean this data is not reliable for use in the context of the discussion on this thread.

Agreed but its the best I can find.

My point does remain though. Dublins population advantage does not reflect in playing numbers.  How many of the 1.4m are our country cousins who go home to play? Penetration into the immigrant communities is understandably difficult.

A lot of Dublin gaelic games was around schools then headhunt to clubs. Certainly was for me. Even the Brothers allow soccer now, so this spending is getting back in there
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2021, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 16, 2021, 04:13:58 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on February 15, 2021, 12:45:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2021, 11:49:07 PM
Cork have 23,000 most of which would be hurling.
There are more than 156,000 people on Cork.

Incorrect.

There are 33,832 registerd players in Cork versus 39,197 in Dublin

6.2% of the population of Cork are registered GAA players. Leitrim 11.4%. Kerry 9.9%.  Dublin  2.9%

The weight of numbers argument is a myth


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin-348120

Where can this registered player data be found? Is it consistent across the country?

Would be very interesting to delve deeper into it. Initial reaction would be that numbers seem to be inflated for a number of counties.

Back of an envelop calculation for Armagh would mean about 1 in 4 of every man, woman and child (of nationalist persuasion) between the ages of 4 and 40 are registered 'players' - my personal experience would suggest that this is a gross exaggeration.

I'm sure clubs in certain areas and jurisdictions have reasons for inflating playing memberships - but that might mean this data is not reliable for use in the context of the discussion on this thread.

Agreed but its the best I can find.

My point does remain though. Dublins population advantage does not reflect in playing numbers.  How many of the 1.4m are our country cousins who go home to play? Penetration into the immigrant communities is understandably difficult.

A lot of Dublin gaelic games was around schools then headhunt to clubs. Certainly was for me. Even the Brothers allow soccer now, so this spending is getting back in there
Agreed on all counts but serious problems still remain.
THe Brothers and the INTO have been heavily promoting Gaelic games at Primary school                                         level for decades.  Until recent times soccer was not played on an organised basis at this level.
The results of those volunteers can be seen every year in Parnell Park when the finals of Cumann na mBunscol competitions are played.
Those finals go on for several weeks and busloads of revved supporters arrive in coach loads.
Yet the number who join Gaelic clubs are very small and the numbers who remain with the clubs after leaving Primary School are even smaller.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 16, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Whether 39,000 is 1% or 10% its still far far more than any other footballing County.
The numbers coupled with the €s and an excellent structure for developing the cream of the 39,000 plus a walk through Leinster Chamoionship allied with all big games at home.......
No wonder yer man said the game is gone all Steve Davis- ruthless boring efficiency with the same winner annually.

By the way I'm still convinced the real figure for Cork is 23k not the 33k in that link I put up.
Can anyone elaborate?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 16, 2021, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Whether 39,000 is 1% or 10% its still far far more than any other footballing County.
The numbers coupled with the €s and an excellent structure for developing the cream of the 39,000 plus a walk through Leinster Chamoionship allied with all big games at home.......
No wonder yer man said the game is gone all Steve Davis- ruthless boring efficiency with the same winner annually.

By the way I'm still convinced the real figure for Cork is 23k not the 33k in that link I put up.
Can anyone elaborate?

Its not that much higher than other counties and the relatively small, if not smallest % of any county shows the challenges we face that you don't. Dublin does not have the numbers majority some make out

Are you asking us to elaborate on why you can't read/don't understand your own link?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 19, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Officialdom still on message ::)

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dont-cut-dublin-funding-county-boards-overwhelmingly-have-their-say-in-our-exclusive-survey-40108113.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Officialdom still on message ::)

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dont-cut-dublin-funding-county-boards-overwhelmingly-have-their-say-in-our-exclusive-survey-40108113.html

:D

What's the begrudgers thoughts on this?

Anyone how here put any motions through their club to their country chairman about the issues you have all raised in this thread?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2021, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Officialdom still on message ::)

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dont-cut-dublin-funding-county-boards-overwhelmingly-have-their-say-in-our-exclusive-survey-40108113.html

:D

What's the begrudgers thoughts on this?

Anyone how here put any motions through their club to their country chairman about the issues you have all raised in this thread?
Do you remember the China Syndrome,the film about a nuclear reactor that overheated and threatened to burn down through the ground and surface in China?
WE got something similar or hands now as the headless chickens, aka the Croke Park mandarins, realise too late that the monster they created is overheating and is out of control.
Dublin has to be propped up and, allowing for enhanced sponsorship potential and the many clubs with large membership dues, it hasn't the grassroots support to be viable.
The future of  the Gah in Leitrim is more secure than it is in Dublin. Mayo may never win another All Ireland but as long as Knockmore lock horns with the Stephenites or Breaffy and Castlebar knock the shite outa each other, the GAA will remain the opium of the people throughout the county. 
In Dublin I'd wager that more than 50% of the population has no idea what the All Ireland Championship is, never mind who or what are the reigning champions.
All those in the inner circle may bury their heads in the sand but harsh reality will inevitably give them a right good kick up the hole.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 22, 2021, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Not true, they will get their money, Has anyone on here, put a motion through their clubs to do anything about all the issues you all raise here?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on February 22, 2021, 09:43:59 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2021, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Officialdom still on message ::)

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dont-cut-dublin-funding-county-boards-overwhelmingly-have-their-say-in-our-exclusive-survey-40108113.html

:D

What's the begrudgers thoughts on this?

Anyone how here put any motions through their club to their country chairman about the issues you have all raised in this thread?
Do you remember the China Syndrome,the film about a nuclear reactor that overheated and threatened to burn down through the ground and surface in China?
WE got something similar or hands now as the headless chickens, aka the Croke Park mandarins, realise too late that the monster they created is overheating and is out of control.
Dublin has to be propped up and, allowing for enhanced sponsorship potential and the many clubs with large membership dues, it hasn't the grassroots support to be viable.
The future of  the Gah in Leitrim is more secure than it is in Dublin. Mayo may never win another All Ireland but as long as Knockmore lock horns with the Stephenites or Breaffy and Castlebar knock the shite outa each other, the GAA will remain the opium of the people throughout the county. 
In Dublin I'd wager that more than 50% of the population has no idea what the All Ireland Championship is, never mind who or what are the reigning champions.
All those in the inner circle may bury their heads in the sand but harsh reality will inevitably give them a right good kick up the hole.

I have always said on here, the Inter County Senior football championship is not the whole GAA, Its a cog in the wheel. GAA is club and more so outside of Dublin.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on February 22, 2021, 09:54:45 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 22, 2021, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Not true, they will get their money, Has anyone on here, put a motion through their clubs to do anything about all the issues you all raise here?

Have you ever tried to get a motion on anything onto the Clar at county convention? If it's anyway against the grain then it will take a serious effort to get it there.

Our club, along with other clubs, have tried to get number of matters in motions to county convention over the years. Louth has seen lots of unease over recent years.

Majority of these have never seen light of day, for various reasons, including:
Motion not correctly written or presented.
Has been referred to sub-committee for consideration as motion isn't a matter for convention.
Refers to incorrect by-law/county regulation/rule
Is covered by another motion that the county committee are taking to the clar but is then subsequently either withdrawn or is nowhere close to presented motion.
Gets to clar but top table votes and their clubs vote against it.

It's not an easy process. One that the county committee have to then take up the line is never welcome.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2021, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2021, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 19, 2021, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Officialdom still on message ::)

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dont-cut-dublin-funding-county-boards-overwhelmingly-have-their-say-in-our-exclusive-survey-40108113.html

:D

What's the begrudgers thoughts on this?

Anyone how here put any motions through their club to their country chairman about the issues you have all raised in this thread?
Do you remember the China Syndrome,the film about a nuclear reactor that overheated and threatened to burn down through the ground and surface in China?
WE got something similar or hands now as the headless chickens, aka the Croke Park mandarins, realise too late that the monster they created is overheating and is out of control.
Dublin has to be propped up and, allowing for enhanced sponsorship potential and the many clubs with large membership dues, it hasn't the grassroots support to be viable.
The future of  the Gah in Leitrim is more secure than it is in Dublin. Mayo may never win another All Ireland but as long as Knockmore lock horns with the Stephenites or Breaffy and Castlebar knock the shite outa each other, the GAA will remain the opium of the people throughout the county. 
In Dublin I'd wager that more than 50% of the population has no idea what the All Ireland Championship is, never mind who or what are the reigning champions.
All those in the inner circle may bury their heads in the sand but harsh reality will inevitably give them a right good kick up the hole.

But that 50% is definitely higher than it was before the Dubs started winning.

I have been in pubs in Dublin and had to ask for the AIF (not Dubs playing) be put on and the local barman embarrassed he had no idea it was on.

So you have to chose. The GAA existing in a meaningful sense in Dublin or not.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: matchfit21 on February 26, 2021, 07:27:41 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 22, 2021, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Not true, they will get their money, Has anyone on here, put a motion through their clubs to do anything about all the issues you all raise here?

Yes. A motion to rebalance the development money allowance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on February 26, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Have you example of clubs who lost grants due to putting motion about Dublin funding??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 26, 2021, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 26, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Have you example of clubs who lost grants due to putting motion about Dublin funding??

We have examples of Counties blackmailed for funding into giving Dublin home advantage in the Leinster Championship. We have examples of counties having to vote for weighted home games for Dublin in the Super 8 in order to get funding.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on February 27, 2021, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 26, 2021, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 26, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Have you example of clubs who lost grants due to putting motion about Dublin funding??

We have examples of Counties blackmailed for funding into giving Dublin home advantage in the Leinster Championship. We have examples of counties having to vote for weighted home games for Dublin in the Super 8 in order to get funding.

Like who?? Who might post on the links when get chance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on February 27, 2021, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 26, 2021, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 26, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Have you example of clubs who lost grants due to putting motion about Dublin funding??

We have examples of Counties blackmailed for funding into giving Dublin home advantage in the Leinster Championship. We have examples of counties having to vote for weighted home games for Dublin in the Super 8 in order to get funding.

Where are these examples?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 01:51:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 27, 2021, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 26, 2021, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 26, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Have you example of clubs who lost grants due to putting motion about Dublin funding??

We have examples of Counties blackmailed for funding into giving Dublin home advantage in the Leinster Championship. We have examples of counties having to vote for weighted home games for Dublin in the Super 8 in order to get funding.

Where are these examples?

These examples happen in front of your face every year! Have you not looked at the fixture lists for both those competitions? Or do you think all those home fixtures are just a coincidence?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 01:51:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 27, 2021, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 26, 2021, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 26, 2021, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 19, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
they dont want to rock the boat and piss off the boys in croke park because they're dependent on the monies that croke park grant them.

Have you example of clubs who lost grants due to putting motion about Dublin funding??

We have examples of Counties blackmailed for funding into giving Dublin home advantage in the Leinster Championship. We have examples of counties having to vote for weighted home games for Dublin in the Super 8 in order to get funding.

Where are these examples?

These examples happen in front of your face every year! Have you not looked at the fixture lists for both those competitions? Or do you think all those home fixtures are just a coincidence?

🤣🤣🤣🤣


No link so?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣
I have no evidence County and  many Club managers get paid.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?

Again can you provide the links? The dubs have more or less played Leinster championship games in Croke park since 1990. Surely counties have been putting in objections since that??
A couple lads insinuating stuff with no back up. I see Mick Duigan rightly spoke up.about Dublin funding  at congress. He had previously done via Twitter.  Like people anyone can waffle on message boards or social media.  Join a club and get motion  put through.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣
I have no evidence County and  many Club managers get paid.

If you join a club you can put through motion.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 05:14:57 PM
I can propose a motion but needs a majority to vote it through.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
15 of the last 16 Leinsters
8 of the last 10 AIs. Last 3 Finals won with comfort.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.
Other counties wanted the money

That's not Dublin's fault

It's the fault of the other counties

If can't think of a run of success like Dublin's in any other sport, you don't watch any other sport
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 03:11:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.

Really?

Lets start with wendyball

https://www.balls.ie/football/these-are-the-longest-title-winning-runs-in-european-football-460327
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 01, 2021, 07:21:36 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.
Other counties wanted the money

That's not Dublin's fault

It's the fault of the other counties

If can't think of a run of success like Dublin's in any other sport, you don't watch any other sport

Never said it was Dublin's fault. And when I talk about monopoly it's not just about winning - it's about how the competition is levered to them winning. There seems to be always an advantage. Always a hill for the opposition to climb.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on March 01, 2021, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 01, 2021, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?
They didn't feel they were disadvantaging themselves, they were focussed on bringing as much money into their counties as possible, which is quite fair

It probably did give Dublin somewhat of an advantage in terms of venue

But Laois and Westmeath didn't have a problem beating Dublin in Croke Park in 2003 and 2004, Tyrone didn't have a problem in '05 and '08

Dublin played all their Leinster Championship matches from 1996 to 2015 inclusive in Croke Park, bar one

Playing League matches there from 2011 on likely had a much bigger impact, before 2011 Dublin might have only played one more match in Croke Park than the team they were playing in a Leinster semi-final or final, they might even have played the same amount of matches in Croke Park that year up to then

From 2011 on that changed - say when Dublin played Laois in the Leinster first round in 2011, Dublin had already played five matches in Croke Park that year, Laois had played none

Whereas in 2010, Dublin's Leinster first round against Wexford was their first match at Croke Park since being trounced by Kerry the previous August, and they very nearly lost



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on March 01, 2021, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 01, 2021, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?
They didn't feel they were disadvantaging themselves, they were focussed on bringing as much money into their counties as possible, which is quite fair

It probably did give Dublin somewhat of an advantage in terms of venue

But Laois and Westmeath didn't have a problem beating Dublin in Croke Park in 2003 and 2004, Tyrone didn't have a problem in '05 and '08

Dublin played all their Leinster Championship matches from 1996 to 2015 inclusive in Croke Park, bar one

Playing League matches there from 2011 on likely had a much bigger impact, before 2011 Dublin might have only played one more match in Croke Park than the team they were playing in a Leinster semi-final or final, they might even have played the same amount of matches in Croke Park that year up to then

From 2011 on that changed - say when Dublin played Laois in the Leinster first round in 2011, Dublin had already played five matches in Croke Park that year, Laois had played none

Whereas in 2010, Dublin's Leinster first round against Wexford was their first match at Croke Park since being trounced by Kerry the previous August, and they very nearly lost





Are you really reaching back to a game in 2003 to make your argument? That's 18 years ago. Nobody playing then is still playing the game (bar maybe Ross Munnelly which is incredible). There are Dublin All-Ireland winners who were probably still in nappies back then.
Leaving that aside, you still haven't addressed the point that the system is broken if counties are choosing to give their competitor permanent home advantage.
I don't see how that can be portrayed as a fair or reasonable structure for a competition.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 01, 2021, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 01, 2021, 10:21:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

Well then surely the system is broken if counties vote to disadvantage themselves as the only way of securing necessary funding?
They didn't feel they were disadvantaging themselves, they were focussed on bringing as much money into their counties as possible, which is quite fair

It probably did give Dublin somewhat of an advantage in terms of venue

But Laois and Westmeath didn't have a problem beating Dublin in Croke Park in 2003 and 2004, Tyrone didn't have a problem in '05 and '08

Dublin played all their Leinster Championship matches from 1996 to 2015 inclusive in Croke Park, bar one

Playing League matches there from 2011 on likely had a much bigger impact, before 2011 Dublin might have only played one more match in Croke Park than the team they were playing in a Leinster semi-final or final, they might even have played the same amount of matches in Croke Park that year up to then

From 2011 on that changed - say when Dublin played Laois in the Leinster first round in 2011, Dublin had already played five matches in Croke Park that year, Laois had played none

Whereas in 2010, Dublin's Leinster first round against Wexford was their first match at Croke Park since being trounced by Kerry the previous August, and they very nearly lost





Are you really reaching back to a game in 2003 to make your argument? That's 18 years ago. Nobody playing then is still playing the game (bar maybe Ross Munnelly which is incredible). There are Dublin All-Ireland winners who were probably still in nappies back then.
Leaving that aside, you still haven't addressed the point that the system is broken if counties are choosing to give their competitor permanent home advantage.
I don't see how that can be portrayed as a fair or reasonable structure for a competition.
I'm saying that if you're looking for a point where Dublin playing considerably more in Croke Park than other Leinster teams did become an advantage, you go back to the point where Dublin started playing considerably more in Croke Park than other Leinster teams

Which was 2011

Before that Dublin did not play considerably more in Croke Park than other Leinster teams because they didn't play their league games there

Say in 2000 when Dublin played Kildare in the drawn Leinster final, that was Kildare's fourth game in Croke Park that year, it was Dublin's third

The venue advantage was not there because Kildare were just as famiiar and more with Croke Park as Dublin were
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 01, 2021, 05:54:35 PM
In 2006, the Leinster final was Offaly fourth game of the year in Croke Park

It was Dubin's second

So you could say Offaly actually had the venue advantage, being more familiar with Croke Park that year up to then than Dublin were
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.

I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 02, 2021, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.

I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?

Where do you come with this nonsense? I thought the schools were back open? A president doesn't have the power to bury issues as serious as that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 12:48:42 PM
Who buried it so?
And why?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 02, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 12:48:42 PM
Who buried it so?
And why?

Why don't you ask your club delegate to investigate rather than making assumptions online which you have form for. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 02, 2021, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.


I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?
Because, my good friend, that was the time the race to the bottom began and is still steadily gathering speed.
In the decade leading up to 2005, a total of 6 counties won the Leinster championship - a total of six out of twelve ain't bad by any reasonable standard.
Then in 2005, Dublin were the winners and with the exception of 2010, when Meath robbed Louth, the Dubs have been winners ever since. Why this amazing improvement in Dublin's form and the total collapse of any worthwhile challenge from any other Leinster county?
Damned if I know because it can't be money, can it?
The fact that the Sports Council began subventing money to the Dublin County Board around 2005 must be purely coincidental as John Horan, Padraig Duffy, Paddy Teehan and Uncle Tom Cobley and all keep telling us and all of these gobshites hardworking, dedicated servants for the cause must know what they are talking about.
Either that or I am missing something...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 02, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 12:48:42 PM
Who buried it so?
And why?

Why don't you ask your club delegate to investigate rather than making assumptions online which you have form for.
OK John, where should she investigate?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 02, 2021, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 02, 2021, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.


I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?
Because, my good friend, that was the time the race to the bottom began and is still steadily gathering speed.
In the decade leading up to 2005, a total of 6 counties won the Leinster championship - a total of six out of twelve ain't bad by any reasonable standard.
Then in 2005, Dublin were the winners and with the exception of 2010, when Meath robbed Louth, the Dubs have been winners ever since. Why this amazing improvement in Dublin's form and the total collapse of any worthwhile challenge from any other Leinster county?
Damned if I know because it can't be money, can it?
The fact that the Sports Council began subventing money to the Dublin County Board around 2005 must be purely coincidental as John Horan, Padraig Duffy, Paddy Teehan and Uncle Tom Cobley and all keep telling us and all of these gobshites hardworking, dedicated servants for the cause must know what they are talking about.
Either that or I am missing something...

Offaly won 97 as Meath had 4 lads suspended after the  3 a row against Kildare. Kildare won 98 & 2000 with 3/4 imports.  Laois and Westmeath had the underage success to be fair but wouldn't have won titles at senior level without Paidi and Micko. Laois could achieved more but more interested in the high stool.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
I was at the 2004 Leinster final replay between Laois and Westmeath. Game was on a Saturday evening and the place was half full. Or as the GAA seen it, the place was half empty. A Leinster final not involving Dublin was a disaster for the coffers. This replay made up for the shortcomings this time. But this could not happen every year. The GAA now had a huge stadium that needed filling. Vendors, Corporate Boxes, Premium seats, advertisements were not going to be sold with two tiny counties in a final! Little did I know as I watched Westmeath's David O'Shaughnessy lift the Delaney Cup that this was not the beginning, but we were about to see was an abrupt end.

That was 17 years ago.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 02, 2021, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 02, 2021, 03:31:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 02, 2021, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 09:56:21 AM
What's with all the blather about 2003 and 2006?
Why not go back to 1906 while you're at it.


I see new Uachtarán Larry McCarthy is going to take the strategic document "Towards 2034" off the shelf where it was hidden in 2018.
Would I be right in suspecting it proposed addressing the Dublin situation but was buried by then Uachtarán Tofa Horan?
Because, my good friend, that was the time the race to the bottom began and is still steadily gathering speed.
In the decade leading up to 2005, a total of 6 counties won the Leinster championship - a total of six out of twelve ain't bad by any reasonable standard.
Then in 2005, Dublin were the winners and with the exception of 2010, when Meath robbed Louth, the Dubs have been winners ever since. Why this amazing improvement in Dublin's form and the total collapse of any worthwhile challenge from any other Leinster county?
Damned if I know because it can't be money, can it?
The fact that the Sports Council began subventing money to the Dublin County Board around 2005 must be purely coincidental as John Horan, Padraig Duffy, Paddy Teehan and Uncle Tom Cobley and all keep telling us and all of these gobshites hardworking, dedicated servants for the cause must know what they are talking about.
Either that or I am missing something...

Offaly won 97 as Meath had 4 lads suspended after the  3 a row against Kildare. Kildare won 98 & 2000 with 3/4 imports.  Laois and Westmeath had the underage success to be fair but wouldn't have won titles at senior level without Paidi and Micko. Laois 'could achieved more but more interested in the high stool.
Fair play to ya! You've a far better memory than I have and that's for sure.
I guess the points you make are fair enough but none of the 'lucky breaks' those counties enjoyed can explain Dublin's total domination of the Leinster championship since 2005.
I feel that the chances of any other Leinster county keeping Dublin's winning margin in a championship match to less than 10 points are minimal.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 09:45:35 PM
The posters here have nailed it when people try to talk of how things were pre-2011. It's like talking about a different world.

2010 was an almost obscure year.

Wexford beat Galway

Meath beat Dublin in Leinster.

Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford.

Down beat Kerry in the AI quarter final.

And Cork won the AI beating Down in the final.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 02, 2021, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
I was at the 2004 Leinster final replay between Laois and Westmeath. Game was on a Saturday evening and the place was half full. Or as the GAA seen it, the place was half empty. A Leinster final not involving Dublin was a disaster for the coffers. This replay made up for the shortcomings this time. But this could not happen every year. The GAA now had a huge stadium that needed filling. Vendors, Corporate Boxes, Premium seats, advertisements were not going to be sold with two tiny counties in a final! Little did I know as I watched Westmeath's David O'Shaughnessy lift the Delaney Cup that this was not the beginning, but we were about to see was an abrupt end.

That was 17 years ago.
I love the way you write like a 5G conspiracist

Maybe 5 stands for 5 in a row and G for Gavin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 02, 2021, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?

Sligo has the same population as Roscommon, who are competitive in Connacht. So it's not beyond their means to get to that level given the necessary support.

Leitrim are up against it with their available resources, but it's always been like that. I'm sure the GAA people in the county have long since accepted their lot and set their aspirations accordingly.

Until about ten years ago there weren't too many counties without the demographics to regularly compete at least at provincial level in one code or another - maybe just Leitrim, Longford, Carlow & Fermanagh (who combined represent about 3% of the population of the island). For the vast majority of the country the county system worked alright, and had worked alright for decades.

But this is where the properly organised, properly funded Dublin behemoth of the last decade has broken things. Now there are another seven counties (adding up to almost 1 million people) for whom even a provincial title is an unrealistic prospect. This is a seismic and sudden shock to a system that had worked satisfactorily for over a hundred years.

So, with no obviously agreeable solution to the problem, the GAA leadership do what they do best - ignore it entirely and hope it just goes away. But it won't, and we're going to keep on talking about it until someone in a position of authority has the courage to tackle the thing head on.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 03, 2021, 12:00:40 AM
Hopefully new Uachtarán McCarthy.

Regarding Sligo - bigger population than the area under Ros CB (Ballagh situation) but Sligo Town is a soccer stronghold.
Ros has 6,500 registered players, Sligo 4,800.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 07:46:45 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 02, 2021, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?

Sligo has the same population as Roscommon, who are competitive in Connacht. So it's not beyond their means to get to that level given the necessary support.

Leitrim are up against it with their available resources, but it's always been like that. I'm sure the GAA people in the county have long since accepted their lot and set their aspirations accordingly.

Until about ten years ago there weren't too many counties without the demographics to regularly compete at least at provincial level in one code or another - maybe just Leitrim, Longford, Carlow & Fermanagh (who combined represent about 3% of the population of the island). For the vast majority of the country the county system worked alright, and had worked alright for decades.

But this is where the properly organised, properly funded Dublin behemoth of the last decade has broken things. Now there are another seven counties (adding up to almost 1 million people) for whom even a provincial title is an unrealistic prospect. This is a seismic and sudden shock to a system that had worked satisfactorily for over a hundred years.

So, with no obviously agreeable solution to the problem, the GAA leadership do what they do best - ignore it entirely and hope it just goes away. But it won't, and we're going to keep on talking about it until someone in a position of authority has the courage to tackle the thing head on.

So what you're saying is it's unfair that Dublin have an advantage on some counties, but it doesn't matter that the likes of cork, Galway have advantages over some counties and because Dublin have got their house in order and are doing things too well we have to stop them rather than focus on bringing up standards everywhere else
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 08:17:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
I was at the 2004 Leinster final replay between Laois and Westmeath. Game was on a Saturday evening and the place was half full. Or as the GAA seen it, the place was half empty. A Leinster final not involving Dublin was a disaster for the coffers. This replay made up for the shortcomings this time. But this could not happen every year. The GAA now had a huge stadium that needed filling. Vendors, Corporate Boxes, Premium seats, advertisements were not going to be sold with two tiny counties in a final! Little did I know as I watched Westmeath's David O'Shaughnessy lift the Delaney Cup that this was not the beginning, but we were about to see was an abrupt end.

That was 17 years ago.

🤣🤣🤣🤣  Had you drink taken when posted that? So your telling us Leinster council decided to give pump money after poor attendance at Leinster final replay?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 09:34:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 02, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 02, 2021, 12:48:42 PM
Who buried it so?
And why?

Why don't you ask your club delegate to investigate rather than making assumptions online which you have form for.
OK John, where should she investigate?

Speak to county board Colm..
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on March 03, 2021, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 01, 2021, 03:11:52 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 28, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on February 28, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 28, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: macker15 on February 28, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 28, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
There's hardly going to be a link to a quiet word in a corridor ;)

Have you evidence of this? Thought not 🤣🤣🤣

Are you saying that all Dublin home games in the Leinster Championship and the extra home game in the super 8 are all a coincidence.

Is it that Dublin are picked first out of the hat when the draw is made and get home venue?

Or are County boards promised extra revenue for letting Dublin have home games?
The stats support the 'facts'.
From 1993 to 2016, Dublin played one game away v Longford and scrambled a 2 point win.
The Leinster draw is GAAmandered.
It was the other Leinster counties who voted to have Dublin play in Croke Park for two decades

So blame them

I think that's the point.  Why would they have voted for something that gives their own county a competitive disadvantage?
Because they wanted to maximise the money the Dublin team could bring in order to benefit their own counties at grass roots level

So there we have it. The Dublin money power buys all the advantages year in year out. Weaker counties who have no hope of success are better served to take the money for their county. Where they play Dublin makes no difference. They'll lose anyway.

The whole thing is really funny at this stage. Thank god I don't waste my time and money going to inter-county matches anymore. Can't think of a monopoly like this in any other sport? And more and more will vote the same as time goes on as there are virtually no challengers to Dublin in inter-county presently.

Really?

Lets start with wendyball

https://www.balls.ie/football/these-are-the-longest-title-winning-runs-in-european-football-460327

Cork Ladies, Crossmaglen, St Vincents, Kilkenny (11 in 15 years) loads of other examples.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?
Ah, I'm a bit confused here... ;D ;D
Maybe it's the prolonged effects of lockdown and the closure of me local but it seems we do have a football emergency on our hands.
Fair enough, I thought that has come about because one county, Dubin, has dominated  all others for the best part of a decade and the odds are that with every passing year, the rest will fall further behind.
At least, that's what I thought..
But there seems to be a solution to the crisis - according to some Dublin heads anyway. As they see it, for the good of the game in Leitrim, Mayo should be carved up to give the poor unfortunate people of the county with the smallest population in the land, a fighting chance of winning a game whenever they meet.
Now here is where my grey cells founder a bit..
In my innocence, I thought Dublin was the problem. With a third of the country's population and with games development funding that's more than all the other 31 counties get, I'd have thought something should be done to redress the imbalance ASAP.
But, according to the said Dublin heads, Mayo, Dublin's only credible opponent for most of the past decade should be carved up instead!
This will give Leitrim a chance and this in turn will solve all problems for everyone.
At least, that's what I think is being suggested.
Yeah, but what will happen if Leitrim does beat Mayo and are then drawn against Dublin in the next round?
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?
Ah, I'm a bit confused here... ;D ;D
Maybe it's the prolonged effects of lockdown and the closure of me local but it seems we do have a football emergency on our hands.
Fair enough, I thought that has come about because one county, Dubin, has dominated  all others for the best part of a decade and the odds are that with every passing year, the rest will fall further behind.
At least, that's what I thought..
But there seems to be a solution to the crisis - according to some Dublin heads anyway. As they see it, for the good of the game in Leitrim, Mayo should be carved up to give the poor unfortunate people of the county with the smallest population in the land, a fighting chance of winning a game whenever they meet.
Now here is where my grey cells founder a bit..
In my innocence, I thought Dublin was the problem. With a third of the country's population and with games development funding that's more than all the other 31 counties get, I'd have thought something should be done to redress the imbalance ASAP.
But, according to the said Dublin heads, Mayo, Dublin's only credible opponent for most of the past decade should be carved up instead!
This will give Leitrim a chance and this in turn will solve all problems for everyone.
At least, that's what I think is being suggested.
Yeah, but what will happen if Leitrim does beat Mayo and are then drawn against Dublin in the next round?
Am I missing something?

Well if we have to split dublin to give the likes of Mayo a chance to win the All Ireland (granted they'll still find a way to self destruct or shoot themselves in the foot) then should we not split Mayo and Galway to give Leitrim and Sligo a chance to win a provincal title?


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on March 03, 2021, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?
Ah, I'm a bit confused here... ;D ;D
Maybe it's the prolonged effects of lockdown and the closure of me local but it seems we do have a football emergency on our hands.
Fair enough, I thought that has come about because one county, Dubin, has dominated  all others for the best part of a decade and the odds are that with every passing year, the rest will fall further behind.
At least, that's what I thought..
But there seems to be a solution to the crisis - according to some Dublin heads anyway. As they see it, for the good of the game in Leitrim, Mayo should be carved up to give the poor unfortunate people of the county with the smallest population in the land, a fighting chance of winning a game whenever they meet.
Now here is where my grey cells founder a bit..
In my innocence, I thought Dublin was the problem. With a third of the country's population and with games development funding that's more than all the other 31 counties get, I'd have thought something should be done to redress the imbalance ASAP.
But, according to the said Dublin heads, Mayo, Dublin's only credible opponent for most of the past decade should be carved up instead!
This will give Leitrim a chance and this in turn will solve all problems for everyone.
At least, that's what I think is being suggested.
Yeah, but what will happen if Leitrim does beat Mayo and are then drawn against Dublin in the next round?
Am I missing something?

Well if we have to split dublin to give the likes of Mayo a chance to win the All Ireland (granted they'll still find a way to self destruct or shoot themselves in the foot) then should we not split Mayo and Galway to give Leitrim and Sligo a chance to win a provincal title?

good point sell made, what made up repsonse will come  :D same with Cork and Kerry, oh but Tipp, wont happen again another couple the decades .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 03, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
The concern for Leitrim and Sligo would melt your heart :D
If Mayowestros is to be split in 3 to equal the playing field for Leitrim then Dublin would have to be split into 30.

The MONSTER is the problem.
How does it get resolved?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 03, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
The concern for Leitrim and Sligo would melt your heart :D
If Mayowestros is to be split in 3 to equal the playing field for Leitrim then Dublin would have to be split into 30.

The MONSTER is the problem.
How does it get resolved?

You could apply this principle to all the provinces, not just Leinster. I would say the structure of the competition is a bigger issue than Dublin winning it. They've changed the format in hurling to a league basis and it's been successful. Unfortunately asking provincial councils to make take out the provincial championships in football is like asking turkeys to vote for christmas.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?
Ah, I'm a bit confused here... ;D ;D
Maybe it's the prolonged effects of lockdown and the closure of me local but it seems we do have a football emergency on our hands.
Fair enough, I thought that has come about because one county, Dubin, has dominated  all others for the best part of a decade and the odds are that with every passing year, the rest will fall further behind.
At least, that's what I thought..
But there seems to be a solution to the crisis - according to some Dublin heads anyway. As they see it, for the good of the game in Leitrim, Mayo should be carved up to give the poor unfortunate people of the county with the smallest population in the land, a fighting chance of winning a game whenever they meet.
Now here is where my grey cells founder a bit..
In my innocence, I thought Dublin was the problem. With a third of the country's population and with games development funding that's more than all the other 31 counties get, I'd have thought something should be done to redress the imbalance ASAP.
But, according to the said Dublin heads, Mayo, Dublin's only credible opponent for most of the past decade should be carved up instead!
This will give Leitrim a chance and this in turn will solve all problems for everyone.
At least, that's what I think is being suggested.
Yeah, but what will happen if Leitrim does beat Mayo and are then drawn against Dublin in the next round?
Am I missing something?

Well if we have to split dublin to give the likes of Mayo a chance to win the All Ireland (granted they'll still find a way to self destruct or shoot themselves in the foot) then should we not split Mayo and Galway to give Leitrim and Sligo a chance to win a provincal title?
Bedad this is getting gooder and gooder- if you know what I mean. ;D
So you split Mayo and Galway into, say, four separate divisions in order to let Sligo and Leitrim win a Connacht title and then what?
Suppose Dublin is next up. A case pf goodnight Irene, if there ever was one.
Sligo/Leitrim winning a Connacht title won't do anything to stop Dublin hoovering up All Irelands in their annual turkey shoot.
It'll take two of their main competitors out of the running and ring fence their chances of continuing to win from here to eternity - or until the GAA goes belly up which is likely to happen sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 02, 2021, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 02, 2021, 10:06:51 PM
Yet the Munster championship remains a 2 horse race at best. Still Tipperary won it this year so that makes it all ok. So what if it's first time in nearly 30 years Cork or Kerry didn't win it. Important to only worry about the Leinster Championship.

The sooner people realise the days of basing the football championship on a ludicrous and unfair provincial basis the better

5 out of the 6 counties in Munster are primarily hurling counties. This will never change. Four of them don't care if Dublin win the next 20 All Irelands. They have to comfort of being the Elite teams in the AI hurling Championship. The Leinster counties bar Wexford don't have that back-up.

I suppose that's one option, just don't bother trying.

What about Leitrim and Sligo who have to play in the connacht championship just to get hammered by Mayo/Galway. Should they just focus on hurling and forget about winning anything in football as well?
Ah, I'm a bit confused here... ;D ;D
Maybe it's the prolonged effects of lockdown and the closure of me local but it seems we do have a football emergency on our hands.
Fair enough, I thought that has come about because one county, Dubin, has dominated  all others for the best part of a decade and the odds are that with every passing year, the rest will fall further behind.
At least, that's what I thought..
But there seems to be a solution to the crisis - according to some Dublin heads anyway. As they see it, for the good of the game in Leitrim, Mayo should be carved up to give the poor unfortunate people of the county with the smallest population in the land, a fighting chance of winning a game whenever they meet.
Now here is where my grey cells founder a bit..
In my innocence, I thought Dublin was the problem. With a third of the country's population and with games development funding that's more than all the other 31 counties get, I'd have thought something should be done to redress the imbalance ASAP.
But, according to the said Dublin heads, Mayo, Dublin's only credible opponent for most of the past decade should be carved up instead!
This will give Leitrim a chance and this in turn will solve all problems for everyone.
At least, that's what I think is being suggested.
Yeah, but what will happen if Leitrim does beat Mayo and are then drawn against Dublin in the next round?
Am I missing something?

Well if we have to split dublin to give the likes of Mayo a chance to win the All Ireland (granted they'll still find a way to self destruct or shoot themselves in the foot) then should we not split Mayo and Galway to give Leitrim and Sligo a chance to win a provincal title?
Bedad this is getting gooder and gooder- if you know what I mean. ;D
So you split Mayo and Galway into, say, four separate divisions in order to let Sligo and Leitrim win a Connacht title and then what?
Suppose Dublin is next up. A case pf goodnight Irene, if there ever was one.
Sligo/Leitrim winning a Connacht title won't do anything to stop Dublin hoovering up All Irelands in their annual turkey shoot.
It'll take two of their main competitors out of the running and ring fence their chances of continuing to win from here to eternity - or until the GAA goes belly up which is likely to happen sooner rather than later

If you want to split up Dublin to help Mayo, why are you so against other counties getting a helping hand. Where's the line? You think it's unfair that Mayo can't beat Dublin, but it's funny to you that Mayo hammer Leitrim in connacht.

Mayo didn't win an All Ireland so everything is all about that. Leitrim, Longford, Clare for example can't compete for provincial titles, but that's irrelevant to you. Mayo can hammer any of those teams so you couldn't care less what happens to them. Mayo have won several connacht titles over the last decade so that must mean the provincials are ok and shouldn't be changed 

Why not bring in some other rules that could help Mayo but do nothing for smaller counties like introduce a new rule that own goals should no longer count or you can't change goalkeepers if a game goes to a replay.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on March 03, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 03, 2021, 03:27:40 PM
Nice bits of deflection trying to make it all about Rhubarbia😁
Co  Mayo plus Ballagh has about 3.5 tines the population if Leitrim.
The MONSTER has 12 times the population of Mayo/Ballagh.
8 out of last 10 AIs
15 out of last 16 Leinsters.
Thank God they stopped bothering about th'oul League a few years ago.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 04:00:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 03, 2021, 03:27:40 PM
Nice bits of deflection trying to make it all about Rhubarbia😁
Co  Mayo plus Ballagh has about 3.5 tines the population if Leitrim.
The MONSTER has 12 times the population of Mayo/Ballagh.
8 out of last 10 AIs
15 out of last 16 Leinsters.
Thank God they stopped bothering about th'oul League a few years ago.

I'd have more interest in supporting the tommy murphy cup and changing the championship format so teams like Leitrim, Carlow are competing against teams of similar standard and can aim for a trophy at the end of the season rather than making changes that would only benefit teams like Kerry and Mayo
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.

Outside of Croker how many Dublin teams have won an away Championship game in the last decade?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 03, 2021, 04:50:56 PM
Dublin 39,000 players -1 football team.
Connacht c33,000 players - 5 football teams.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on March 03, 2021, 04:59:15 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.

The Dubs peak for late in the Championship too, and no one in Leinster has laid a glove on them or caused them to break sweat in more than ten years.

In recent years, no else outside of Mayo and Kerry has made them even sweat, and even then, they ALWAYS come through, with the comfort level mostly only increasing as time passes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Question for the Dublin posters.

What will you do if Dublin easily win the next 5 Leinster and AI titles? Do you think you still go to games? Do you think will you still care? Do you think your Kids will care?

Will you miss the away supporters not going to games in numbers anymore? Who is going to go to these games?

No county is going to catch up. You can talk all you like about them getting their act together but they don't have the numbers or the financial clout. And they never will.

We have reached a point of no return.





Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on March 03, 2021, 05:56:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 04:59:15 PM

The Dubs peak for late in the Championship too, and no one in Leinster has laid a glove on them or caused them to break sweat in more than ten years.

In recent years, no else outside of Mayo and Kerry has made them even sweat, and even then, they ALWAYS come through, with the comfort level mostly only increasing as time passes.
Leinster football has been mediocre/poor long before Dublin turned brilliant. We can all remember when it was a clear disadvantage for Dublin to win Leinster so easily, because usually in the QF, and if not, then always in the SF, they'd come up against a good team (who had beaten good teams to get there), and the Dubs would fall short.

Now, with rare exception, we only have to worry about Kerry and Mayo. And it's not too often that they get beaten in knockout games.

It also bears repeating that it's a miracle Dublin won 6 in a row. Mayo should have won two and Kerry really fooked away the 5 in a row game (David Moran's last gasp turnover after having a brilliant game must give him nightmares).

But nobody seems to care about the question as to why Cork, Galway, Meath, Kildare don't have teams contending most years. You hear Stevie McDonnell saying he'd love his Armagh team to have a go at this Dublin team. And he'd want to play them in Croke Park. How would the Dubs defence cope against a Tyrone forward line of Dooher-McGuigan-Cavlan-Canavan-O'Neill-Mulligan? Why do these counties not have the standard of player they used to have? In my generation Meath had two amazing teams, Mick Lyons and his cohorts, and then Darren Fay and his cohorts. The current lads might have a max of 2 or 3 who get into either team, arguably none.
Nobody seems to ask the question about how Kerry won 5 minors in a row, and what can we learn/copy from then?

Spending a load of money on GDO's around the country won't matter a jot of difference, as will quickly be proven by the East Leinster Project. Good for improving participation (where participation is low). But not a factor at elite level. And if they take a model different to Dublin, where these GDO's start coaching U14, U15, U16, be very careful that they're not pushing better coaches (parents of kids who used to be players, which is the norm up and down the country) to the backseat.
The fact of the matter is that none of the Dublin players will have been coached to any sizeable extent by a GDO. They'll have been coached by parents at their club and ex-Dublin players at the development squads. So the way some people put all the focus on the games development funding focused on young primary school children is laughable and I might say very frustrating. I've made the same point 100 times, but loud minority of moaning minnies couldnt care less and pull meaningless stats out of their arses.

Numbers are of course important to a certain extent, but it's not the key factor. It ensures we should rarely/never fall below a certain level, but doesn't make us the best - and you can look at any sport in the world for confirmation of that, not least hurling

Where numbers does help is keeping the club game strong. The organisation around adult games used to be horrendous but for the last 10 years or so has been exceptional. Calendar put out at the start of the year and stuck to reasonably rigidly. Everyone can play and therefore great buy in. Also a lot more country people playing with Dublin clubs rather than travelling home each weekend. Club league taken very seriously and makes for great competition, week-in , week-out. This is what turns decent Dublin minor players into very good senior players.

Playing Croke Park for league games has turned playing in Croke Park for championship games into a lovely advantage. You can blame Dublin fans and their pockets for this  :D
That's not up us to change.

No travel is a huge advantage. We do work harder on the field than most others. Some people rolleyes at that, but it's a fact. It's because we are able to train and rest better, because we don't have the hours of wasted energy travelling. Learnings from Covid should help reduce that advantage.
 
   
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Question for the Dublin posters.

What will you do if Dublin easily win the next 5 Leinster and AI titles? Do you think you still go to games? Do you think will you still care? Do you think your Kids will care?

Will you miss the away supporters not going to games in numbers anymore? Who is going to go to these games?

No county is going to catch up. You can talk all you like about them getting their act together but they don't have the numbers or the financial clout. And they never will.

We have reached a point of no return.

For me going to the games isn't just about the games, it's catching up with lads, having a laugh and enjoying pre and post match pints and my group has no intention of stopping anytime soon. We've been in Omagh for league games when Jayo got sent off and got awful racial abuse, Castlebar when Tommy Lyons was manager and they only scored 4 points not to mention humiliating qtr final defeats to Kerry/Tyrone amongst others

Unlike some here we don't think this run of Dublin wins will last forever, but we are enjoying it and are in no rush to see it end. I find we appreciate the good times more having had such embarrassing defeats along the way to this.

In terms of fans of other teams I really couldn't care less if opposition teams fans do or don't go to the games. That's up to them. We go to the games to watch the dubs and if we meet some fans of the other team in the ground or in the pub before or afterwards it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 04:59:15 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.

The Dubs peak for late in the Championship too, and no one in Leinster has laid a glove on them or caused them to break sweat in more than ten years.

In recent years, no else outside of Mayo and Kerry has made them even sweat, and even then, they ALWAYS come through, with the comfort level mostly only increasing as time passes.

Kerry have that advantage later in championship for last 50 years. Mayo should have won 2015-17 games but for players picking the team and Cillian O'Connor missing vital frees. Kerry should have closed out 2019 game the first day.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 04:59:15 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 03, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2021, 03:23:50 PM
Not to intrude, but at least in Connacht we've had three different champions within the past four years. Sligo, starved and all as they are of success, at least can go back less than 15 years for their last one (we were on 19 years when McGuinness took over).

Dublin have won 15 of the last 16 Leinsters, and except for Meath smashing them for 5 goals on a freak day, they'd have 16/16.

The overall inequity of the county-based intercounty senior competition is a fair point, but until the last decade, it was at least competitive. And at times when a single county dominated the AI series, it wasn't based on their ludicrously large pick being harnessed. An eventual end to that dominance could always be seen, whether through simple aging or other teams rising to the challenge.

There's no such end in sight with this Dublin team.

I don't know how long it will take for the wider GAA to see the light. They might never.

But personally, I couldn't be arsed watching Dublin games anymore. I guess I'd tune in to watch Donegal put up a "brave" fight, but that's about it. And its no disrespect to the Dublin players or management themselves. I'm just not interested in non-competitive games where the outcome (and even the way the game plays out) is as predictable as the sun rising and setting. I won't be sitting down to watch Manchester City toy with Southampton or Fulham next week either, and there is far more of a chance of City dropping points in those than there is of Dublin not winning Leinster and the AI this year and next.

Outside of mayo how Connacht teams have won a championship game in Croke park in last 20 years? Connacht is poor standard.  If mayo had concentrated on peaking for later of championship 2016-19. You had poor outfits like ros peaking in June/July.

The Dubs peak for late in the Championship too, and no one in Leinster has laid a glove on them or caused them to break sweat in more than ten years.

In recent years, no else outside of Mayo and Kerry has made them even sweat, and even then, they ALWAYS come through, with the comfort level mostly only increasing as time passes.

Kerry have that advantage later in championship for last 50 years. Mayo should have won 2015-17 games but for players picking the team and Cillian O'Connor missing vital frees. Kerry should have closed out 2019 game the first day.

Did you know that Mayo won Connacht for the first time last year since 2015? Did you know that Mayo have not beaten Dublin in Championship or League since 2012? What makes you think that Mayo should have beaten Dublin when they could not beat average teams in their own Province? We ran ye close but there was never a time Dublin were chasing a game going into the final minutes!

Did you know that scoreable chances were missed by two Dublin players after Cillian O'Connor missed his free and Rock scored his winning free? But nobody talks of the Dublin player bottling those misses? And nobody remembers Cillians last minute equaliser in 2016! You see the winners discrepancies are forgotten.

We are gone now and it is almost a relief. We are so far behind now, we can't be even labelled chokers anymore!  ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Question for the Dublin posters.

What will you do if Dublin easily win the next 5 Leinster and AI titles? Do you think you still go to games? Do you think will you still care? Do you think your Kids will care?

Will you miss the away supporters not going to games in numbers anymore? Who is going to go to these games?

No county is going to catch up. You can talk all you like about them getting their act together but they don't have the numbers or the financial clout. And they never will.

We have reached a point of no return.

For me going to the games isn't just about the games, it's catching up with lads, having a laugh and enjoying pre and post match pints and my group has no intention of stopping anytime soon. We've been in Omagh for league games when Jayo got sent off and got awful racial abuse, Castlebar when Tommy Lyons was manager and they only scored 4 points not to mention humiliating qtr final defeats to Kerry/Tyrone amongst others

Unlike some here we don't think this run of Dublin wins will last forever, but we are enjoying it and are in no rush to see it end. I find we appreciate the good times more having had such embarrassing defeats along the way to this.

In terms of fans of other teams I really couldn't care less if opposition teams fans do or don't go to the games. That's up to them. We go to the games to watch the dubs and if we meet some fans of the other team in the ground or in the pub before or afterwards it really doesn't matter.

Lucky you! You wont be missing out on much then!

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 03, 2021, 09:19:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Question for the Dublin posters.

What will you do if Dublin easily win the next 5 Leinster and AI titles? Do you think you still go to games? Do you think will you still care? Do you think your Kids will care?

Will you miss the away supporters not going to games in numbers anymore? Who is going to go to these games?

No county is going to catch up. You can talk all you like about them getting their act together but they don't have the numbers or the financial clout. And they never will.

We have reached a point of no return.

For me going to the games isn't just about the games, it's catching up with lads, having a laugh and enjoying pre and post match pints and my group has no intention of stopping anytime soon. We've been in Omagh for league games when Jayo got sent off and got awful racial abuse, Castlebar when Tommy Lyons was manager and they only scored 4 points not to mention humiliating qtr final defeats to Kerry/Tyrone amongst others

Unlike some here we don't think this run of Dublin wins will last forever, but we are enjoying it and are in no rush to see it end. I find we appreciate the good times more having had such embarrassing defeats along the way to this.

In terms of fans of other teams I really couldn't care less if opposition teams fans do or don't go to the games. That's up to them. We go to the games to watch the dubs and if we meet some fans of the other team in the ground or in the pub before or afterwards it really doesn't matter.
Luckily most Mayo people don't think like him

I know the boycott was invented in Mayo, but imagine a Mayo person boycotting that Mayo team over the last decade, a group of players who lit up the sport and gave such pride and pleasure to their people, all the great days out he'd have missed

Not sure even the religious loony Burke family of Castlebar embrace cynicism, spite and self-hatred to that extent
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Question for the Dublin posters.

What will you do if Dublin easily win the next 5 Leinster and AI titles? Do you think you still go to games? Do you think will you still care? Do you think your Kids will care?

Will you miss the away supporters not going to games in numbers anymore? Who is going to go to these games?

No county is going to catch up. You can talk all you like about them getting their act together but they don't have the numbers or the financial clout. And they never will.

We have reached a point of no return.

For me going to the games isn't just about the games, it's catching up with lads, having a laugh and enjoying pre and post match pints and my group has no intention of stopping anytime soon. We've been in Omagh for league games when Jayo got sent off and got awful racial abuse, Castlebar when Tommy Lyons was manager and they only scored 4 points not to mention humiliating qtr final defeats to Kerry/Tyrone amongst others

Unlike some here we don't think this run of Dublin wins will last forever, but we are enjoying it and are in no rush to see it end. I find we appreciate the good times more having had such embarrassing defeats along the way to this.

In terms of fans of other teams I really couldn't care less if opposition teams fans do or don't go to the games. That's up to them. We go to the games to watch the dubs and if we meet some fans of the other team in the ground or in the pub before or afterwards it really doesn't matter.
That's kinda fair enough; I guess any dedicated follower of any other team would feel more or less the same. But Dublin isn't just any team- it stands apart from and above all other teams in the country.
You talk about you and your mates travelling the country for away games and having a bit of craic along the way. There was a time not so long ago when coach loads of Dubs would head off from Parnell Square or Mount Argus and be sure of a genuine welcome wherever they went.
The Dubs won some and lost some but they never lost their good humour and always held their ground in the sing songs in every pub in every town they visited.
But the age of innocence has long since disappeared.
Would you and your mates really travel to Cork or Galway or Armagh just to meet up and have a chat and a few pints when you know there will only be one result? If you do, you'll find the locals won't be too arsed either.
There'd be more craic at an undertakers' AGM.
I don't know why you and your mates expect Dublin's dominance to end at any time soon. There is no logical reason to assume so. The gap is widening all the time.
Rural Ireland is dying on its feet.
People are leaving rural Ireland in droves, businesses are closing and rural clubs are having to amalgamate in order to stay solvent. To exacerbate the gap between Dublin and the rest, the majority leaving the countryside and moving to Dublin are GAA activists or at the very least supporters.
Without the input from those moving in, Dublin football would be in serious trouble- assloads of Alll Irelands notwithstanding.
Enjoy the good times because they are not going to last.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2021, 10:38:29 PM
That makes me laugh/ a little sad reading about bad Dublin sides. Some of us can only dream of being as good as a "bad" Dublin side. (P.s. not in any way a dig at Dublin - same with other big hitting teams too for people from "lesser" counties.

Being from Antrim I have never been to a game I know my team will win!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on March 03, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Yeah and i was at league games in Parnell Park.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Yeah and i was at league games in Parnell Park.
Lucky you.

I wish all the dubs home League games were in parnell park. There were some cracking matches there over the years. I remember a Meath supporter throwing a cup of tea at Whelo and Whelo having to be held back from going up into stand after the person.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs

All examples or comparisons pre-2011 are irrelevant. You can say Dublin suffered this or Dublin lost that. That was a different Dublin. A Dublin without finances.

I will be cheering on Dublin again this year. The only way for this to stop is for Dublin to keep winning. The only problem is how long the GAA decide to go on with this fiasco. They have already let Leinster drift into the quagmire for nearly 2 decades! God only knows how long this fiasco can go on before someone shouts stop!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Yeah and i was at league games in Parnell Park.
Lucky you.

I wish all the dubs home League games were in parnell park. There were some cracking matches there over the years. I remember a Meath supporter throwing a cup of tea at Whelo and Whelo having to be held back from going up into stand after the person.
I remember the time James Nallen lost the rag with Whelo and followed him about 30 yards up the field to give him a good box on the lug. I didn't see what Whelo did to annoy Jimmy but he had floored one of the Mayo backs.
I was told by the guy next to me that it was a clumsy tackle rather than a dirty one but Nallen must have thought otherwise.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on March 04, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Yeah and i was at league games in Parnell Park.
Lucky you.

I wish all the dubs home League games were in parnell park. There were some cracking matches there over the years. I remember a Meath supporter throwing a cup of tea at Whelo and Whelo having to be held back from going up into stand after the person.
I remember the time James Nallen lost the rag with Whelo and followed him about 30 yards up the field to give him a good box on the lug. I didn't see what Whelo did to annoy Jimmy but he had floored one of the Mayo backs.
I was told by the guy next to me that it was a clumsy tackle rather than a dirty one but Nallen must have thought otherwise.

When was this? Doesn't sound like Jimmy Nallen and I'd say your memory is playing tricks.

I remember in the 2006 semi, Whelo taking McGarrity out of it with a box in the side of the face. McGarrity got replaced by Barry Big Bird. I believe Brady put Whelan on his arse when he came on.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on March 04, 2021, 08:20:58 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on March 04, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Yeah and i was at league games in Parnell Park.
Lucky you.

I wish all the dubs home League games were in parnell park. There were some cracking matches there over the years. I remember a Meath supporter throwing a cup of tea at Whelo and Whelo having to be held back from going up into stand after the person.
I remember the time James Nallen lost the rag with Whelo and followed him about 30 yards up the field to give him a good box on the lug. I didn't see what Whelo did to annoy Jimmy but he had floored one of the Mayo backs.
I was told by the guy next to me that it was a clumsy tackle rather than a dirty one but Nallen must have thought otherwise.

When was this? Doesn't sound like Jimmy Nallen and I'd say your memory is playing tricks.

I remember in the 2006 semi, Whelo taking McGarrity out of it with a box in the side of the face. McGarrity got replaced by Barry Big Bird. I believe Brady put Whelan on his arse when he came on.

Whelan did more than box McGarrity - he nearly took the head off him when he was coming down from outfielding Whelan - it was ridiculously dangerous and malicious and a definite red, but that didn't happen.
I doubt Jimmy Nallen ever hit anybody a box, he was too much of a gentleman tbh.

Brady came on and fairly quietened the big bully boy :)
Here's the incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKqzMrBfSyQ&t=1120s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKqzMrBfSyQ&t=1120s)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 04, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs

All examples or comparisons pre-2011 are irrelevant. You can say Dublin suffered this or Dublin lost that. That was a different Dublin. A Dublin without finances.

I will be cheering on Dublin again this year. The only way for this to stop is for Dublin to keep winning. The only problem is how long the GAA decide to go on with this fiasco. They have already let Leinster drift into the quagmire for nearly 2 decades! God only knows how long this fiasco can go on before someone shouts stop!
Since the Qualifiers came in Leinster falling into a quagmire wasn't too serious.
Now that the AI has sunk its a different story but the GAA top brass are still ignoring it, helped by various media useful eejits and needy Co and Provincial Chairs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 04, 2021, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 04, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs

All examples or comparisons pre-2011 are irrelevant. You can say Dublin suffered this or Dublin lost that. That was a different Dublin. A Dublin without finances.

I will be cheering on Dublin again this year. The only way for this to stop is for Dublin to keep winning. The only problem is how long the GAA decide to go on with this fiasco. They have already let Leinster drift into the quagmire for nearly 2 decades! God only knows how long this fiasco can go on before someone shouts stop!
Since the Qualifiers came in Leinster falling into a quagmire wasn't too serious.
Now that the AI has sunk its a different story but the GAA top brass are still ignoring it, helped by various media useful eejits and needy Co and Provincial Chairs.

You write plenty of about in your Sunday Indo columns Colm ...🙄🙄
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2021, 03:06:49 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on March 04, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Yeah and i was at league games in Parnell Park.
Lucky you.

I wish all the dubs home League games were in parnell park. There were some cracking matches there over the years. I remember a Meath supporter throwing a cup of tea at Whelo and Whelo having to be held back from going up into stand after the person.
I remember the time James Nallen lost the rag with Whelo and followed him about 30 yards up the field to give him a good box on the lug. I didn't see what Whelo did to annoy Jimmy but he had floored one of the Mayo backs.
I was told by the guy next to me that it was a clumsy tackle rather than a dirty one but Nallen must have thought otherwise.

When was this? Doesn't sound like Jimmy Nallen and I'd say your memory is playing tricks.

I remember in the 2006 semi, Whelo taking McGarrity out of it with a box in the side of the face. McGarrity got replaced by Barry Big Bird. I believe Brady put Whelan on his arse when he came on.
For once, my memory is okay. It was a league match under lights and the fact that James lost the rag surprised everyone, including me. What  was also noteworthy was that the ref didn't react. He had to have seen it.
On the other hand, the lug pulling incident wasn't as dramatic as it was made out to be. Whelan had been dumped on his arse and was winded. Brady moved in behind him, leaned over him and tweaked his ears. Obviously, I don't know what Brady said to him but the incident was over in a few seconds. I doubt if most who went to the game were aware of what had happened and the tv commentary didn't make a big deal of it but Whelan stayed clear ob Brady for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 09:55:27 PM

People are leaving rural Ireland in droves, businesses are closing and rural clubs are having to amalgamate in order to stay solvent. To exacerbate the gap between Dublin and the rest, the majority leaving the countryside and moving to Dublin are GAA activists or at the very least supporters.
Without the input from those moving in, Dublin football would be in serious trouble- assloads of Alll Irelands notwithstanding.
Enjoy the good times because they are not going to last.
People have always left rural Ireland in droves

But the population of pretty much every county is increasing

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp2tc/cp2pdm/pd/#:~:text=Of%20the%20173%2C613%20increase%2C%20138%2C899,rural%20population%20increase%20by%204%2C025.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/stephen-collins-death-of-rural-ireland-is-a-myth-1.3626895?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fstephen-collins-death-of-rural-ireland-is-a-myth-1.3626895
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

That's how all historically successful counties think

Kerry certainly think like that, so do Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp in hurling

At provincial level, if Galway or Mayo went five years or more without a Connacht title, that's a famine

Cork haven't won the All-Ireland hurling championship for 16 years, and it's considered a serious crisis

Tipp went 16 years without Munster and officially considered it a famine


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 04, 2021, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 09:55:27 PM

People are leaving rural Ireland in droves, businesses are closing and rural clubs are having to amalgamate in order to stay solvent. To exacerbate the gap between Dublin and the rest, the majority leaving the countryside and moving to Dublin are GAA activists or at the very least supporters.
Without the input from those moving in, Dublin football would be in serious trouble- assloads of Alll Irelands notwithstanding.
Enjoy the good times because they are not going to last.
People have always left rural Ireland in droves

But the population of pretty much every county is increasing


https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp2tc/cp2pdm/pd/#:~:text=Of%20the%20173%2C613%20increase%2C%20138%2C899,rural%20population%20increase%20by%204%2C025.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/stephen-collins-death-of-rural-ireland-is-a-myth-1.3626895?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fstephen-collins-death-of-rural-ireland-is-a-myth-1.3626895
Quote from: sid waddell on March 04, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on March 03, 2021, 09:55:27 PM

People are leaving rural Ireland in droves, businesses are closing and rural clubs are having to amalgamate in order to stay solvent. To exacerbate the gap between Dublin and the rest, the majority leaving the countryside and moving to Dublin are GAA activists or at the very least supporters.
Without the input from those moving in, Dublin football would be in serious trouble- assloads of Alll Irelands notwithstanding.
Enjoy the good times because they are not going to last.
People have always left rural Ireland in droves

But the population of pretty much every county is increasing


https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp2tc/cp2pdm/pd/#:~:text=Of%20the%20173%2C613%20increase%2C%20138%2C899,rural%20population%20increase%20by%204%2C025.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/stephen-collins-death-of-rural-ireland-is-a-myth-1.3626895?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fstephen-collins-death-of-rural-ireland-is-a-myth-1.3626895
sid, what happened in the past is irrelevant.
What's happening now certainly isn't.
Apart from the fact that Stephen Collins is a complete and utter gobshite, his article is a good example of what can be done if someone has time on their hands and is hell bent on causing controversy.
I am referring to rural Ireland - the heartland of the GAA. If you choose to rely on census returns, you will see that most counties recorded modest increases between 2011 and 2016 but, as Mark Twain one put it, there are three types of lies; lies,damn lies and statistics.
People are fleeing the land but urban areas, larger ones anyway, are showing relatively modest increases. Another factor  that is skewing the picture is the  modern innovation of inward immigration - people coming from other countries to live in Ireland. The vast majority come from non-GAA backgrounds so their numbers will be recorded on census returns but this does little or nothing to halt the depopulation of rural areas.
As part of my field work when preparing for a degree in 1969, I carried out a comprehensive socio-economic study of my home locality.    At that time there was a total of 21 viable households in the area under study.
Today, there are just ten inhabited dwellings there. There are children of school-going age in just one. The local national school shut down over 20 years ago and the field where the kids met to play football is now planted with conifer trees.
That's just one area I am familiar with but any Mayo person will know of of plenty more.
The local town, Swinford, has added on a couple of dozen extra houses since I did my research work but those who moved in do little or nothing to enhance community relations. The local GAA club still survives but now draws its membership from a wider area than was the case. The availability of cars is a big help but, really, it's a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Some players live outside the parish and in earlier times would have played for their own parish clubs.
No mistake sid, Armaggeddon is just a heartbeat away.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on March 08, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
Paywall

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-has-invested-funding-in-coaching-kids-which-doesnt-equate-with-creating-super-race-of-winners-40164953.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 08, 2021, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on March 08, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
Paywall

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-has-invested-funding-in-coaching-kids-which-doesnt-equate-with-creating-super-race-of-winners-40164953.html
As you know by now, I'm not the one to pee on anyone's parade- unless of course I have good reason to. ;D
Unfortunately, this  is one of those times...
I'm reproducing that accompanies Potts' article.
the picture and its caption  (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/d9bf7/40164952.ece/AUTOCROP/w800/PL38911621Scoil%20Lorcin1%20M)
"Future stars: Scoil Lorcáin, Monkstown players celebrate after they beat St Olaf's, Balally in the Sciath Comhar Linn final at the Cumann na mBunscol Dublin Finals at Croke Park"

A casual observer would regard this as a public relations coup for Dublin GAA's development initiative.
The involvement of Cumann na mBunscol is incidental.
The truth of the matter is somewhat different I'm afraid.
Cumann na mBunscol, the Irish Primary Schools Federation, have been organising Gaelic games at primary level since 1971 and are still doing so. The game referred to in this article was played under the auspices of Cumann na mBunscol and not Dublin GAA in any shape or form.
Most schools would acknowledge the cooperation of local Gaelic clubs and I certainly know of numerous cases where clubs supply coaches to assist with team preparations but I fail to see where the expenses claimed for running this involvement come from.
In all cases I know, the coaches are paid Fás apprentice rates and this expense is shared between club and county board. I don't suspect that the GAA are deliberately puffing  the cost of financing their work but I can't see where all the expenses allegedly involved are going.
Anyone care to enlighten me?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 17, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/leinster-gaa-extend-dublin-model-across-province-40205934.html

All they need to do tgem is
Divide Dublin into 2
Have 1 East Leinster team.
That will give them 3 Units with 700k people in each.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 20, 2021, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 17, 2021, 12:25:40 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/leinster-gaa-extend-dublin-model-across-province-40205934.html

All they need to do tgem is
Divide Dublin into 2
Have 1 East Leinster team.
That will give them 3 Units with 700k people in each.

Will the sheepstealers amalgamate with Leitrim and Sligo? Ye might actually Mayo a proper challenge in Connacht?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 20, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Do you mean Mayowestros who won 1 of the last 5 Connacht Titles?
Meanwhile in Leinster we have a 15 out of 16 team
and in All Ireland an 8 out of 10 team.

I see Pat Gilroy has started this years media campaign....
Dublin won't win 8 of the next 10 he says.
He's right, it will be 10/10.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 20, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 20, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Do you mean Mayowestros who won 1 of the last 5 Connacht Titles?
Meanwhile in Leinster we have a 15 out of 16 team
and in All Ireland an 8 out of 10 team.

I see Pat Gilroy has started this years media campaign....
Dublin won't win 8 of the next 10 he says.
He's right, it will be 10/10.

Mayo were looking at the bigger picture while Roscommon and Galway peaked for Connacht final.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on March 20, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 20, 2021, 11:38:31 AM
Do you mean Mayowestros who won 1 of the last 5 Connacht Titles?
Meanwhile in Leinster we have a 15 out of 16 team
and in All Ireland an 8 out of 10 team.

I see Pat Gilroy has started this years media campaign....
Dublin won't win 8 of the next 10 he says.
He's right, it will be 10/10.

How much were Kildare, Westmeath,  Meath and Laois paying Micko, Paidi , McGeeney and Banty during the boom? Could they have invested that money into underage structures?? 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on March 20, 2021, 01:01:54 PM
And where would they get an extra million population?
Not to mention most of their games at home.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 07:47:10 AM
The Dubs caught training yesterday morning - 9 of them on a pitch.

Good to see the spin on this one "sure everyone at it".
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on April 01, 2021, 07:55:06 AM
Did the GAA take any action over the time Down were caught breaking the rules?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 08:17:28 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 01, 2021, 07:55:06 AM
Did the GAA take any action over the time Down were caught breaking the rules?

Paddy Tally got a suspension of 12 weeks that was from date of return.

He appealed and it was reduced to 8 weeks (?) from date of appeal.

Maybe lost a home game in game.

So nothing major.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Itchy on April 01, 2021, 08:20:35 AM
There should be serious sanctions against them for this but alas its the Dubs and not some nobody county. I expect the GAA will get a serious bashing in the media now for this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 08:20:59 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 01, 2021, 07:55:06 AM
Did the GAA take any action over the time Down were caught breaking the rules?
Paddy Tally got a slap on the wrist, didn't he?

Complete piss take by Dublin here, this will blow up I think, one for Liveline, players going to their regular training ground and training away, smacks of unbelievable arrogance

Not humility

And the question will be who in the management and the DCB knew what


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: the goal was on on April 01, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
Several ulster counties have been training and seems to be a blind eye throw at it. County chairmen have to be aware of it in a few cases!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on April 01, 2021, 08:33:23 AM
Dublin SHOULD get the same punishment as Down or perhaps even less given it wasnt the full panel and backroom staff.

That shouldnt be the biggest concern for GAA folk though.

The best team in Ireland, role models etc etc ignoring the rules - this is a major headline now and another stick to get bashed with.

Is that soccer head still on the board...........he will love this
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cavan19 on April 01, 2021, 08:36:59 AM
Happy April fools day guys.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 09:11:56 AM
No April fools joke.

I can't abide the "others are at it" excuse. It's small minded and exactly what is wrong with Intercounty and GAA these days. Everything seems to be justified by this reasoning.

I can imagine that there has been a lot of heated phone calls in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2021, 09:23:09 AM
This story appears on April 1st and you suggest it's not an April's Fools joke!!

It is really well done.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 01, 2021, 08:33:23 AM
Dublin SHOULD get the same punishment as Down or perhaps even less given it wasnt the full panel and backroom staff.

That shouldnt be the biggest concern for GAA folk though.

The best team in Ireland, role models etc etc ignoring the rules - this is a major headline now and another stick to get bashed with.

Is that soccer head still on the board...........he will love this

It's the worst possible timing for the GAA with them only pleading yesterday for people to follow the rules. The players should get a ban for training similar to the down/cork lads. I don't see how you can punish dublin as it wasn't a team organised training.

(I'm hoping it's an april fools joke)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2021, 09:23:09 AM
This story appears on April 1st and you suggest it's not an April's Fools joke!!

It is really well done.

You genuinely think Dublin GAA would let their name go to this and it front page news on one of the biggest papers, headline story all over radio and in current climate? 

April fools is when they run a sports story to say that Dublin have a new green and gold jersey like Meath or Dublin joining Ulster.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Taylor on April 01, 2021, 09:32:20 AM
No chance its an April Fools joke.

Public Health and people following rules is not a joke - this will encourage others to break the rules
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:35:18 AM
Two leading counties from you know where held a challenge game last weekend. Everyone else is at it, why should Dublin not be?

Another Leinster county renowned for skirting collective training bans in the past using spurious charity vehicles were also collectively training.

Yawn, move on.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:35:18 AM
Two leading counties from you know where held a challenge game last weekend. Everyone else is at it, why should Dublin not be?

Another Leinster county renowned for skirting collective training bans in the past using spurious charity vehicles were also collectively training.

Yawn, move on.

Name them then?

Or just throw out names to build a defence?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: South Laois man on April 01, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
When Down and Cork were caught training the GAA also announced that a 3rd Leinster county had been caught. Why were they never named🙄🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: Louther on April 01, 2021, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:35:18 AM
Two leading counties from you know where held a challenge game last weekend. Everyone else is at it, why should Dublin not be?

Another Leinster county renowned for skirting collective training bans in the past using spurious charity vehicles were also collectively training.

Yawn, move on.

Name them then?

Or just throw out names to build a defence?

The truth will out..honestly who gives a fook?

This COVID-outrage is boring, every week there is a new bogey man. The challenge match story will come out.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: South Laois man on April 01, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
When Down and Cork were caught training the GAA also announced that a 3rd Leinster county had been caught. Why were they never named🙄🙄🙄🙄

The 3rd Leinster county wasn't Laois or Dublin and are well known for pissing away all their advantages and blaming others.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: Louther on April 01, 2021, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:35:18 AM
Two leading counties from you know where held a challenge game last weekend. Everyone else is at it, why should Dublin not be?

Another Leinster county renowned for skirting collective training bans in the past using spurious charity vehicles were also collectively training.

Yawn, move on.

Name them then?

Or just throw out names to build a defence?

The truth will out..honestly who gives a fook?

This COVID-outrage is boring, every week there is a new bogey man. The challenge match story will come out.

Why not name them then?

Everyone is fed up and we just want out of this. Headlines like this will just give more justification to those in power to prolong restrictions and tighten up closures. High profile story like this will justify lots of gatherings over Easter weekend.

I said it when Cork and Down got caught that Inter county teams and managers see themselves above everything and everyone, sucking the life out of the enjoyment of the game and is it really anymore entertaining than what the game was 20 years ago.

Players can train away, get themselves ready as best they can for the start of training. Why can't grown men stick to this and have to run dawn sessions?

It's mind blowing ignorance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where

I'm for balance.

And the Dublin unionists want to be allowed perks and advantages and a blind eye turned to breaking the rules.

If Dubs could get the opposition to play with one arm tied behind their backs they would.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where

I'm for balance.

And the Dublin unionists want to be allowed perks and advantages and a blind eye turned to breaking the rules.

If Dubs could get the opposition to play with one arm tied behind their backs they would.

Whatever it takes mindset. Nothing else will suffice.

Fair play the Dubs. Be ready, give no inches, win or die.

Independent Curtain Twitchers. Ladies league of Ireland is back, Womens rugby, I am sure they work also.

Long live the Dubs.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on April 01, 2021, 10:18:24 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on April 01, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
Several ulster counties have been training and seems to be a blind eye throw at it. County chairmen have to be aware of it in a few cases!!

Name them
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where

I'm for balance.

And the Dublin unionists want to be allowed perks and advantages and a blind eye turned to breaking the rules.

If Dubs could get the opposition to play with one arm tied behind their backs they would.

Whatever it takes mindset. Nothing else will suffice.

Fair play the Dubs. Be ready, give no inches, win or die.

Independent Curtain Twitchers. Ladies league of Ireland is back, Womens rugby, I am sure they work also.

Long live the Dubs.

That's the Dublin unionist mindset.

They deserve all the perks and will do whatever it takes to retain them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where

I'm for balance.

And the Dublin unionists want to be allowed perks and advantages and a blind eye turned to breaking the rules.

If Dubs could get the opposition to play with one arm tied behind their backs they would.

Whatever it takes mindset. Nothing else will suffice.

Fair play the Dubs. Be ready, give no inches, win or die.

Independent Curtain Twitchers. Ladies league of Ireland is back, Womens rugby, I am sure they work also.

Long live the Dubs.

That's the Dublin unionist mindset.

They deserve all the perks and will do whatever it takes to retain them.

;D

I am definitely a unionist of the union of Ireland.

Joking aside, it doesn't look great, but step outside your front door in Dublin and you will see thousands technically breaking the rules, all along the canals, parks, 5 aside pitches, playgrounds,  traffic this week has been crazy also, etc etc, distraction also from the Indo to what is actually going on in the country and incompetence and corrupt government.

Examiner ran a front page story of 8 Gardai getting their haircuts in a station. Its bottom of the Barrell stuff.



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where

I'm for balance.

And the Dublin unionists want to be allowed perks and advantages and a blind eye turned to breaking the rules.

If Dubs could get the opposition to play with one arm tied behind their backs they would.

Whatever it takes mindset. Nothing else will suffice.

Fair play the Dubs. Be ready, give no inches, win or die.

Independent Curtain Twitchers. Ladies league of Ireland is back, Womens rugby, I am sure they work also.

Long live the Dubs.

That's the Dublin unionist mindset.

They deserve all the perks and will do whatever it takes to retain them.

;D

I am definitely a unionist of the union of Ireland.

Joking aside, it doesn't look great, but step outside your front door in Dublin and you will see thousands technically breaking the rules, all along the canals, parks, 5 aside pitches, playgrounds,  traffic this week has been crazy also, etc etc, distraction also from the Indo to what is actually going on in the country and incompetence and corrupt government.

Examiner ran a front page story of 8 Gardai getting their haircuts in a station. Its bottom of the Barrell stuff.

I agree it's petty to make an issue out of it and I'd have no real contention with it myself but I just think it's interesting the default positions of some of the Dublin posters who refuse to accept any changes that might redress imbalances are in full on deflect mode at this being reported.

Other counties may or may not be at it but Dublin have been caught.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on April 01, 2021, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:35:18 AM
Two leading counties from you know where held a challenge game last weekend. Everyone else is at it, why should Dublin not be?

Another Leinster county renowned for skirting collective training bans in the past using spurious charity vehicles were also collectively training.

Yawn, move on.

;D ;D

Rattled
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
Lots of whataboutery from the Dublin unionists.

The kings of whataboutery all come from you know where

I'm for balance.

And the Dublin unionists want to be allowed perks and advantages and a blind eye turned to breaking the rules.

If Dubs could get the opposition to play with one arm tied behind their backs they would.

Whatever it takes mindset. Nothing else will suffice.

Fair play the Dubs. Be ready, give no inches, win or die.

Independent Curtain Twitchers. Ladies league of Ireland is back, Womens rugby, I am sure they work also.

Long live the Dubs.

That's the Dublin unionist mindset.

They deserve all the perks and will do whatever it takes to retain them.

;D

I am definitely a unionist of the union of Ireland.

Joking aside, it doesn't look great, but step outside your front door in Dublin and you will see thousands technically breaking the rules, all along the canals, parks, 5 aside pitches, playgrounds,  traffic this week has been crazy also, etc etc, distraction also from the Indo to what is actually going on in the country and incompetence and corrupt government.

Examiner ran a front page story of 8 Gardai getting their haircuts in a station. Its bottom of the Barrell stuff.

I agree it's petty to make an issue out of it and I'd have no real contention with it myself but I just think it's interesting the default positions of some of the Dublin posters who refuse to accept any changes that might redress imbalances are in full on deflect mode at this being reported.

Other counties may or may not be at it but Dublin have been caught.

Fair point, its not a great look and id imagine there will be consequences (Down and Cork) however the aul loop hole scenario will come into play here id imagine.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 11:32:44 AM
The Jackeens are in prickly defensive mood.
Hedgehogs come to mind.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:35:07 AM
What is wrong with Hedgehogs, decent skins
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

Not saying the lads were right or wrong.

Indo rag Honey trap with a long lens. They knew what they were doing, wont see them in other counties hiding in the bushes.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

Not saying the lads were right or wrong.

Indo rag Honey trap with a long lens. They knew what they were doing, wont see them in other counties hiding in the bushes.



Breaking the rules to get (yet another) unfair advantage on other teams is wrong. That's before you take health and societal considerations into account.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on April 01, 2021, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Fine and bans is fair and just.

100%, I expect a hefty punishment up to expulsion from the league.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 11:32:44 AM
The Jackeens are in prickly defensive mood.
Hedgehogs come to mind.

Hedgehogs are lovely little animals. What have you got against them?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

Not saying the lads were right or wrong.

Indo rag Honey trap with a long lens. They knew what they were doing, wont see them in other counties hiding in the bushes.

Other counties aren't across the road to Indo Towers and don't sell newspapers.

And you don't know what honey trap is.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: larryin89 on April 01, 2021, 12:24:17 PM
Dublin should be made play 2022 championship and league all games away from croke park bar the all Ireland final , all other punishments wont have the slightest effect on them .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

Not saying the lads were right or wrong.

Indo rag Honey trap with a long lens. They knew what they were doing, wont see them in other counties hiding in the bushes.
News is something somebody, somewhere doesn't want to hear

And it seems to me that way too many Dublin GAA people don't to hear about this

It's a great scoop and Dublin cannot complain one jot about it - they've been rightly caught with their trousers down



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: skeog on April 01, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
A lot of hypocrisy around if truth be told the number of counties that are training incognito would be in double figures.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: skeog on April 01, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
A lot of hypocrisy around if truth be told the number of counties that are training incognito would be in double figures.
No question about that

The GAA gave Cork and Down a tip on the wrist

There were basically no consequences

The rot comes from the top

Since late last summer, the GAA as an organisation and as a movement has been seen to not be taking Covid seriously

It has consistently pushed back against restrictions - that is the tone that has permeated the organisation

There is far too much of an ethos of "why should the rules apply to us?"

An example had to be and has to be made now

As a Dublin supporter since 1987, my view is that Dublin GAA and the GAA as a whole now deserves every bit of negative publicity they get over this, and should be seriously punished

It's a complete piss take, they weren't even trying to hide what they were doing, they believed that impunity should apply to them

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on April 01, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
Look over there, other counties are training.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: South Laois man on April 01, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
When Down and Cork were caught training the GAA also announced that a 3rd Leinster county had been caught. Why were they never named🙄🙄🙄🙄

The 3rd Leinster county wasn't Laois or Dublin and are well known for pissing away all their advantages and blaming others.

Jack O'Connor on the the N7 2/3 times. Is he considered a essential worker??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

I'd imagine that based on the Cork and Down precedents that it will be the case that Dublin GAA will be charged as opposed to the individual players.

However there are a couple of differences from the Down and Cork offences, which might affect the severity of the punishments.

Do Dublin try to claim this was a one-off? Both Down and Cork basically made the argument that what they were doing a one-off session.

The fact that there was only 9 members of the squad present and the time frame in terms of when intercounty teams are allowed return to training (April 19th) means that the odds of anyone accepting this was just a one-off session where 9 members of the squad were training and the rest were sitting at home on the sofa twidlding their thumbs are fairly remote.

I'd imagine the GAA will call in the Indo journalist who found out about this. Odds are he was tipped off by someone, so the chances of this being the first early morning training session are fairly remote. I'm sure that Croke Park will be asking about how many more training sessions were planned.

Does Dessie Farrell come out and accept that he knew this was going on or does he try to plead ignorance (and look like  a complete liar and a muppet) ?

The powers-that-be will surely be asking questions about whether the rest of the Dublin squad were training, where and how often.

Do Dublin GAA take the risk that there isn't more evidence of training sessions out there?

One other difference from the Down and Cork cases is that this took place on the GAA grounds; I would expect Innisfails GAA to be punished as well. Fine if I had to guess. Possibly ban for their chairperson as well.

Looking at the pictures one of those involved looks like Cormac Costello [I'm not 100%]. Bit awkward for Daddy.

Guards will surely be involved and I'd imagine all involved will be fined.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 01:02:51 PM
Dublin GAA's answer to everything today is "Nil bud"

How many players were there? "Nil bud"
Who do they play for? "Nilbud"
What did Dessie Farrell and John Costello know about it? "Nil bud"

I like the way Nilbud thinks
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.

That won't wash. Cork and Down managers received suspensions and so should Dessie Farrell. There's no way this was arranged without his authority. In fact, given that John Costello's son was one of the player's, it should call into account his role at the helm of the county board.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on April 01, 2021, 02:15:16 PM
Finally Dublin has a disadvantage ie much tougher to break  guidelines re collective training under the glare of a big city.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

Not saying the lads were right or wrong.

Indo rag Honey trap with a long lens. They knew what they were doing, wont see them in other counties hiding in the bushes.

Other counties aren't across the road to Indo Towers and don't sell newspapers.

And you don't know what honey trap is.

Oh yes i do, just asked my Russian friend there whos "working " in the states.

You made my point, it was a set up, probably going on for weeks, probably held for weeks by the Indo.

My frontpage headlines would be today: Garda investigation into stolen Beacon Vaccines. 4 Former health ministers to be quizzed on secret illegal HSE dossiers on Sick children. Opposition silenced in Dail row over microphones, etc. GAAboard jump on yet another Dubs pile due to begrudgery and insignificance. 

I have seen 100s of Covid rule breaking, i see full blown 5 a sides, cricket matches in parks, Groups of cyclists etc. i see playgrounds packed with children and parents standing around talking. Go around the parks in Dublin. Canals packed with people, Guards just walking past. Its like the Funeral row in the north, he went to that funeral over there, but that guy over there went to that other funeral down the road....

Yes, Dublin Footballers were wrong legally, i think the morals have gone now. Especially when League or Ireland is back and ladies league of ireland is back, bit of a joke.

A distraction from this disastrous governments handling a covid and a lot of other things. Dubs should boycott the indo from now on. Its a petty article, like the Guard haircut articles in the Examiner the other day.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.

That won't wash. Cork and Down managers received suspensions and so should Dessie Farrell. There's no way this was arranged without his authority. In fact, given that John Costello's son was one of the player's, it should call into account his role at the helm of the county board.

Croke Park made a specific point in one of their COVID regulations releases that county chairpersons could be held personally responsible. Neither the Down or Cork chairperson admitted knowledge of what was going on from what I recall so the powers that be couldn't do anything to them. However what Dublin GAA admit will be key.

The fact that this took place on GAA property might throw up extra issues. Neither the Cork or Down incidents occurred on GAA property.
Who was responsible at Innisfails for opening the pitch?
Who told them to do it from the Dublin side of things?
Whoever did it can hardly claim that they got a physic vision that 9 members of the Dublin squad and a coach would be randomly turning up at half six in the morning.
I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't issues in relations to Innisfails insurance policy.
I wonder if there is a chance this might void Innisfails insurance cover - this seems very much seems like something that would void an insurance policy.
Or might Innisfails have to report the individuals in question for tresspassing to avoid this? Some folk at Innisfails could well be looking at very severe punishments i.e lifetime ban.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.

That won't wash. Cork and Down managers received suspensions and so should Dessie Farrell. There's no way this was arranged without his authority. In fact, given that John Costello's son was one of the player's, it should call into account his role at the helm of the county board.

Croke Park made a specific point in one of their COVID regulations releases that county chairpersons could be held personally responsible. Neither the Down or Cork chairperson admitted knowledge of what was going on from what I recall so the powers that be couldn't do anything to them. However what Dublin GAA admit will be key.

The fact that this took place on GAA property might throw up extra issues. Neither the Cork or Down incidents occurred on GAA property.
Who was responsible at Innisfails for opening the pitch?
Who told them to do it from the Dublin side of things?
Whoever did it can hardly claim that they got a physic vision that 9 members of the Dublin squad and a coach would be randomly turning up at half six in the morning.
I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't issues in relations to Innisfails insurance policy.
I wonder if there is a chance this might void Innisfails insurance cover - this seems very much seems like something that would void an insurance policy.
Or might Innisfails have to report the individuals in question for tresspassing to avoid this? Some folk at Innisfails could well be looking at very severe punishments i.e lifetime ban.

Calm down.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trailer on April 01, 2021, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.

That won't wash. Cork and Down managers received suspensions and so should Dessie Farrell. There's no way this was arranged without his authority. In fact, given that John Costello's son was one of the player's, it should call into account his role at the helm of the county board.

Croke Park made a specific point in one of their COVID regulations releases that county chairpersons could be held personally responsible. Neither the Down or Cork chairperson admitted knowledge of what was going on from what I recall so the powers that be couldn't do anything to them. However what Dublin GAA admit will be key.

The fact that this took place on GAA property might throw up extra issues. Neither the Cork or Down incidents occurred on GAA property.
Who was responsible at Innisfails for opening the pitch?
Who told them to do it from the Dublin side of things?
Whoever did it can hardly claim that they got a physic vision that 9 members of the Dublin squad and a coach would be randomly turning up at half six in the morning.
I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't issues in relations to Innisfails insurance policy.
I wonder if there is a chance this might void Innisfails insurance cover - this seems very much seems like something that would void an insurance policy.
Or might Innisfails have to report the individuals in question for tresspassing to avoid this? Some folk at Innisfails could well be looking at very severe punishments i.e lifetime ban.

Calm down.

Jesus Christ. Talk about getting carried away.. lol lifetime bans lol...
Dessie should get jail time. And Fenton should probably do a stretch as well... f**k it, put them all in jail and throw away the key.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:53:56 PM
I would also like to point out, the point i have made here numerous times is proved to be true, Dubs train in Innisfails, a slanty pitch with below standard changing rooms and facilities etc, Not the Taj Mahal centre of excellences which other counties have use of, which is of extreme detriment to Dublin compared to the advantages that other counties have over them. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 01, 2021, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.

That won't wash. Cork and Down managers received suspensions and so should Dessie Farrell. There's no way this was arranged without his authority. In fact, given that John Costello's son was one of the player's, it should call into account his role at the helm of the county board.

Croke Park made a specific point in one of their COVID regulations releases that county chairpersons could be held personally responsible. Neither the Down or Cork chairperson admitted knowledge of what was going on from what I recall so the powers that be couldn't do anything to them. However what Dublin GAA admit will be key.

The fact that this took place on GAA property might throw up extra issues. Neither the Cork or Down incidents occurred on GAA property.
Who was responsible at Innisfails for opening the pitch?
Who told them to do it from the Dublin side of things?
Whoever did it can hardly claim that they got a physic vision that 9 members of the Dublin squad and a coach would be randomly turning up at half six in the morning.
I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't issues in relations to Innisfails insurance policy.
I wonder if there is a chance this might void Innisfails insurance cover - this seems very much seems like something that would void an insurance policy.
Or might Innisfails have to report the individuals in question for tresspassing to avoid this? Some folk at Innisfails could well be looking at very severe punishments i.e lifetime ban.

Calm down.

Jesus Christ. Talk about getting carried away.. lol lifetime bans lol...
Dessie should get jail time. And Fenton should probably do a stretch as well... f**k it, put them all in jail and throw away the key.

I clearly stated that the lifetime bans was in relation to the people at Innisfails - I meant the people at the Innisfails club who knew about this/facilitated it, not the Dublin players involved - there are some very heavy sanctions on the GAA books in relation to allowing non-authorised people use pitches [up to lifetime bans] which I'm pretty sure is due to the GAA's insurance company.

It might well be the case of Innisfails having to opt between imposing a lifetime or year(s) ban on some individuals at the club who facilitated this or not being covered by insurance [which would effectively mean the death knell for the club]
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on April 01, 2021, 03:02:07 PM
The very worst case scenario re insurance would be if one of the 9 got injured they wouldn't be covered. Absolutely no impact on Innisfails insurance cover generally.

Ignoring Covid for a sec (and I'm sure someone from Innisfails knew about it), but do you need formal permission to train on a GAA pitch? In the past I often organised early morning or late summer evening sessions when I knew there'd be plenty of room at my local GAA club,  with a 5 or 6 kids (son, nephew, friends) and a bag of balls - usually just fun stuff like scoring practice. Never once sought permission.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 01, 2021, 02:33:31 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
I fookin hate the Indo and everyone and everything associated with it. I equate GAA people buying the Indo with Liverpool fans buying the Sun.

So my starting point here is doubly biased!

Somebody got a tip and decided to hide and use a long range photo lens to take pics of some Dublin players taking part in non-contact outdoor training. And the Indo thinks that's front page news.

Yes, they did wrong and against the rules. Everyone knows what they're doing is low risk, but still against the rules. It's a problem because they were caught and they (all GAA counties really) are held to a high standard. The punishment is already out there with precedent. The leading coach in attendance gets a 8 to 12 week ban and the players get off scot free. The GAA decided that was sufficient punishment/deterrant in the Cork and Down cases, when they could have gone harder (or lighter). Apparently there was a coach there, but not Dessie. So that coach gets the ban.

I think a home game ban is also part of the precedent punishment. So that should certainly be imposed too here.

That won't wash. Cork and Down managers received suspensions and so should Dessie Farrell. There's no way this was arranged without his authority. In fact, given that John Costello's son was one of the player's, it should call into account his role at the helm of the county board.

Croke Park made a specific point in one of their COVID regulations releases that county chairpersons could be held personally responsible. Neither the Down or Cork chairperson admitted knowledge of what was going on from what I recall so the powers that be couldn't do anything to them. However what Dublin GAA admit will be key.

The fact that this took place on GAA property might throw up extra issues. Neither the Cork or Down incidents occurred on GAA property.
Who was responsible at Innisfails for opening the pitch?
Who told them to do it from the Dublin side of things?
Whoever did it can hardly claim that they got a physic vision that 9 members of the Dublin squad and a coach would be randomly turning up at half six in the morning.
I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't issues in relations to Innisfails insurance policy.
I wonder if there is a chance this might void Innisfails insurance cover - this seems very much seems like something that would void an insurance policy.
Or might Innisfails have to report the individuals in question for tresspassing to avoid this? Some folk at Innisfails could well be looking at very severe punishments i.e lifetime ban.

Calm down.

Jesus Christ. Talk about getting carried away.. lol lifetime bans lol...
Dessie should get jail time. And Fenton should probably do a stretch as well... f**k it, put them all in jail and throw away the key.

I clearly stated that the lifetime bans was in relation to the people at Innisfails - I meant the people at the Innisfails club who knew about this/facilitated it, not the Dublin players involved - there are some very heavy sanctions on the GAA books in relation to allowing non-authorised people use pitches [up to lifetime bans] which I'm pretty sure is due to the GAA's insurance company.

It might well be the case of Innisfails having to opt between imposing a lifetime or year(s) ban on some individuals at the club who facilitated this or not being covered by insurance [which would effectively mean the death knell for the club]

Lets ban some Clubman volunteering doing facilities in his local GAA club for 50 Years. Calm down again.

Personally hope they all get away with it.  . .. . . .  Will enjoy reading the comments here. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
Someone saying they should lose home advantage  ;D
They'll have to use Croke Park so ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 03:02:07 PM
The very worst case scenario re insurance would be if one of the 9 got injured they wouldn't be covered. Absolutely no impact on Innisfails insurance cover generally.

Ignoring Covid for a sec (and I'm sure someone from Innisfails knew about it), but do you need formal permission to train on a GAA pitch? In the past I often organised early morning or late summer evening sessions when I knew there'd be plenty of room at my local GAA club,  with a 5 or 6 kids (son, nephew, friends) and a bag of balls - usually just fun stuff like scoring practice. Never once sought permission.

I don't agree about the impact in Innisfails insurance.
You 100% need formal permission to train on a GAA pitch.
If anything happened at any of the sessions you organised you would be personally liable.
I remember hearing that the GAA basically is forced to punish individuals who are caught in order to keep their insurance.
The vast vast majority of the time a blind eye is turned to this but given the publicity and the nature of insurance companies I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Innisfails in bother over this.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: oneclubonelife on April 01, 2021, 03:35:53 PM
Folks - some teams at club and county level have been trading as groups and full sessions for 3 months. The training has taken place all over Ireland at GAA facilities so don't all of a sudden act shocked that this has happened. Some teams have been having full sessions during the day because a lage number of their panelists are students or furloughed / working from home and it meant that they did not have to switch on floodlights that would attract attention. My only issue will be the hypocrisy that will be shown to a club/club player later in the upcoming season  when a "rule" will be broken when they have allowed the flagrant flouting of the "Covid no training rule".
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
Someone saying they should lose home advantage  ;D
They'll have to use Croke Park so ::)

I see the Roscommon CB sending out notice for people to stop using Hyde Park as wrecking the pitch. Donie  and Cox must be flat out practising frees.  🙄🙄
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: delgany on April 01, 2021, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 03:02:07 PM
The very worst case scenario re insurance would be if one of the 9 got injured they wouldn't be covered. Absolutely no impact on Innisfails insurance cover generally.

Ignoring Covid for a sec (and I'm sure someone from Innisfails knew about it), but do you need formal permission to train on a GAA pitch? In the past I often organised early morning or late summer evening sessions when I knew there'd be plenty of room at my local GAA club,  with a 5 or 6 kids (son, nephew, friends) and a bag of balls - usually just fun stuff like scoring practice. Never once sought permission.

I don't agree about the impact in Innisfails insurance.
You 100% need formal permission to train on a GAA pitch.
If anything happened at any of the sessions you organised you would be personally liable.
I remember hearing that the GAA basically is forced to punish individuals who are caught in order to keep their insurance.
The vast vast majority of the time a blind eye is turned to this but given the publicity and the nature of insurance companies I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Innisfails in bother over this.

County teams have separate insurance cover for Player Injury Fund. It wouldnt relate to the Innisfaills club cover in any way.

You wouldnt be covered for personal injury , if you had an accident on a club ground, if you did not have permission to be there or if you were not a member of that club. Must clubs have a ' no responsibility.... ' sign up !
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
Imagine being that sad as to photograph lads out training- journalists are as low as politicians- scum.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2021, 03:02:07 PM
The very worst case scenario re insurance would be if one of the 9 got injured they wouldn't be covered. Absolutely no impact on Innisfails insurance cover generally.

Ignoring Covid for a sec (and I'm sure someone from Innisfails knew about it), but do you need formal permission to train on a GAA pitch? In the past I often organised early morning or late summer evening sessions when I knew there'd be plenty of room at my local GAA club,  with a 5 or 6 kids (son, nephew, friends) and a bag of balls - usually just fun stuff like scoring practice. Never once sought permission.
I've no intention of getting involved in this row but there's a big difference letting a few kids have a kickabout and the county board and Innisfails deliberately flouting an official GAA directive.
Other clubs and counties may be doing the same thing but that's irrelevant .
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: oneclubonelife on April 01, 2021, 03:35:53 PM
Folks - some teams at club and county level have been trading as groups and full sessions for 3 months. The training has taken place all over Ireland at GAA facilities so don't all of a sudden act shocked that this has happened. Some teams have been having full sessions during the day because a lage number of their panelists are students or furloughed / working from home and it meant that they did not have to switch on floodlights that would attract attention. My only issue will be the hypocrisy that will be shown to a club/club player later in the upcoming season  when a "rule" will be broken when they have allowed the flagrant flouting of the "Covid no training rule".

Every county is at in some form of training in groups. The jackeens were the fools to get caught.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 04:12:20 PM
Think CB should have told Tony in private or have the sheep broken in again

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoscommonGAA/status/1377604485095247878
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:53:56 PM
I would also like to point out, the point i have made here numerous times is proved to be true, Dubs train in Innisfails, a slanty pitch with below standard changing rooms and facilities etc, Not the Taj Mahal centre of excellences which other counties have use of, which is of extreme detriment to Dublin compared to the advantages that other counties have over them.
Ah, c'mon, will ya get up the yard, will ya? ;D ;D
What's the slanty pitch or the likes got to do with it?
And what does the Taj Mahals that other counties have mean either?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 04:12:20 PM
Think CB should have told Tony in private or have the sheep broken in again

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoscommonGAA/status/1377604485095247878

If it was the Roscommon footballers that had been on the pitch, the CB would hardly send out a tweet about it for all the world to see they were breaking the rules!
Not even the Rossies are that stupid.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 01, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
This here isn't just about a group of lads having a kick about early morning and breaking covid rules albeit with no harm done. And I doubt this was the first time or that other venues for other panel members where in use. I'd say Dublin and GAA crapping it if follow up pictures emerge.

And if it's ( and I know it is ) going on elsewhere, it's the risk they taking but bar a club in Cork nothing has made national headlines yet. They either doing on lowdown or run a tighter ship.

But days after a date been given for return to play, the most high profile team in Ireland is on front pages of national paper. That is serious bad spin. It gives the GAA very shaky legs to be standing on looking for finishing u17 competitions, starting U20s and finishing club championships. This is what's going to hurt everyone and not just the coach who will take the token one for the team. Will gates on fields be padlocked now in coming weeks? Will any rise in cases push out the return to play or train dates for u18s?

If senior county teams can't do what they asked, how will the hundreds of clubs round the country do it? They've put everyone in the firing line. Can laugh it off and take the whataboutery route but the fear is that everyone else going to take the brunt of it.

If the lads wanted a kick about it whatever, run away and join everyone else in parks and pitches at it. But the structured nature of this won't wash well.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: oneclubonelife on April 01, 2021, 03:35:53 PM
Folks - some teams at club and county level have been trading as groups and full sessions for 3 months. The training has taken place all over Ireland at GAA facilities so don't all of a sudden act shocked that this has happened. Some teams have been having full sessions during the day because a lage number of their panelists are students or furloughed / working from home and it meant that they did not have to switch on floodlights that would attract attention. My only issue will be the hypocrisy that will be shown to a club/club player later in the upcoming season  when a "rule" will be broken when they have allowed the flagrant flouting of the "Covid no training rule".
You've just made a pretty good case for there being no GAA at all this year

The GAA is the most influential civil society organisation in the country and its conduct and the conduct of its teams influences how people behave

If the GAA and GAA teams are cocking a snook at the rules, and I've not reason to believe anything you say above is untrue, the right response would be to scrap all competitions in 2021 altogether
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:12:51 PM
This story about Dublin caught out training is a storm in a tea cup. Outdoor activities is as low risk as you can get. The month of March should have been used for inter County training with the leagues played in April.

That would have given us May, June, July and August to play club or Inter County championships.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:12:51 PM
This story about Dublin caught out training is a storm in a tea cup. Outdoor activities is as low risk as you can get. The month of March should have been used for inter County training with the leagues played in April.

That would have given us June, July and August to play club or Inter County championships.

That isn't the issue

The issue is the rule breaking - public safety during Covid is made up of many millions of individual decisions - and example is everything - and it seems that in the GAA, the rule breaking as regards Covid is an epidemic in itself

This means that the GAA has in effect become a rogue organisation promoting the breaking of restrictions which are there for public safety in a pandemic, and that is a very serious situation

Last week there was widespread anger at what happened at the Beacon hospital

There was widespread anger at Golfgate and the Storey funeral

Why not here?

Why shouldn't there be accountability here?

This is as much an example of the elite believing the rules don't apply to them as Beacongate, Golfgate and Storeygate

Why shouldn't there be a serious reckoning for the GAA over this given that the GAA as an organisation is taking the piss and acting against public safety?

Already this evening we've had Tomas O'Se on RTE plámásing over this

Ah, shure yerra, the lads all come from good families



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Rule no 1 in the GAA - "How do we get around this"
Rule no 2 "Don't get caught"
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee





John Costello has some neck on him! :D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 05:41:12 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on April 01, 2021, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
Other counties is whataboutery. Dublin got caught. End of.

Unfortunately this feeds into the saga of last year where for right or wrong the GAA was perceived as not taking Covid seriously. We aren't even back yet and rules are broken. Fine and bans is fair and just.

Not saying the lads were right or wrong.

Indo rag Honey trap with a long lens. They knew what they were doing, wont see them in other counties hiding in the bushes.

Other counties aren't across the road to Indo Towers and don't sell newspapers.

And you don't know what honey trap is.

Oh yes i do, just asked my Russian friend there whos "working " in the states.

You made my point, it was a set up, probably going on for weeks, probably held for weeks by the Indo.

My frontpage headlines would be today: Garda investigation into stolen Beacon Vaccines. 4 Former health ministers to be quizzed on secret illegal HSE dossiers on Sick children. Opposition silenced in Dail row over microphones, etc. GAAboard jump on yet another Dubs pile due to begrudgery and insignificance. 

I have seen 100s of Covid rule breaking, i see full blown 5 a sides, cricket matches in parks, Groups of cyclists etc. i see playgrounds packed with children and parents standing around talking. Go around the parks in Dublin. Canals packed with people, Guards just walking past. Its like the Funeral row in the north, he went to that funeral over there, but that guy over there went to that other funeral down the road....

Yes, Dublin Footballers were wrong legally, i think the morals have gone now. Especially when League or Ireland is back and ladies league of ireland is back, bit of a joke.

A distraction from this disastrous governments handling a covid and a lot of other things. Dubs should boycott the indo from now on. Its a petty article, like the Guard haircut articles in the Examiner the other day.

For this to have been a honey trap the Indo would have needed to organise the training and hoodwink the players into attending. Is that your claim?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on April 01, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
The manager is one thing, what about the players, they took part?
What about the venue?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
The manager is one thing, what about the players, they took part?
What about the venue?

The Down/Cork players weren't suspended so why would you suspend the Dublin players? To call for the club to be punished is way over the top.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:12:51 PM
This story about Dublin caught out training is a storm in a tea cup. Outdoor activities is as low risk as you can get. The month of March should have been used for inter County training with the leagues played in April.

That would have given us May, June, July and August to play club or Inter County championships.
You can't be serious! Why bother with Covid restrictions at all if individuals or organisations can set their own rules on the hoof? Don't you think the month of March would have been put to better use if it was deemed in the public interest to do so?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:25:54 PM
That isn't the issue

The issue is the rule breaking - public safety during Covid is made up of many millions of individual decisions - and example is everything - and it seems that in the GAA, the rule breaking as regards Covid is an epidemic in itself

This means that the GAA has in effect become a rogue organisation promoting the breaking of restrictions which are there for public safety in a pandemic, and that is a very serious situation

Last week there was widespread anger at what happened at the Beacon hospital

There was widespread anger at Golfgate and the Storey funeral

Why not here?

Why shouldn't there be accountability here?

This is as much an example of the elite believing the rules don't apply to them as Beacongate, Golfgate and Storeygate

Why shouldn't there be a serious reckoning for the GAA over this given that the GAA as an organisation is taking the piss and acting against public safety?

Already this evening we've had Tomas O'Se on RTE plámásing over this

Ah, shure yerra, the lads all come from good families
My point is there should be no issue in regards to outdoor activities. Roll out of vaccines is story worth running with. Golfgate was a gathering indoors and this virus spreads the most indoors.

Dessie Farrell suspended for 12 weeks for these breach of guidelines will that suspension hold? they rarely do with Dublin

Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
You can't be serious! Why bother with Covid restrictions at all if individuals or organisations can set their own rules on the hoof? Don't you think the month of March would have been put to better use if it was deemed in the public interest to do so?
Those restrictions weren't needed. Would be in the public interest to have as much outdoor activity as possible in March. It would have resulted in far fewer indoor cluster outbreaks.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee





John Costello has some neck on him! :D
I think Costello is the one with most questions to answer and suspending Farrell is designed to protect him
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:12:51 PM
This story about Dublin caught out training is a storm in a tea cup. Outdoor activities is as low risk as you can get. The month of March should have been used for inter County training with the leagues played in April.

That would have given us June, July and August to play club or Inter County championships.

That isn't the issue

The issue is the rule breaking - public safety during Covid is made up of many millions of individual decisions - and example is everything - and it seems that in the GAA, the rule breaking as regards Covid is an epidemic in itself

This means that the GAA has in effect become a rogue organisation promoting the breaking of restrictions which are there for public safety in a pandemic, and that is a very serious situation

Last week there was widespread anger at what happened at the Beacon hospital

There was widespread anger at Golfgate and the Storey funeral

Why not here?

Why shouldn't there be accountability here?

This is as much an example of the elite believing the rules don't apply to them as Beacongate, Golfgate and Storeygate

Why shouldn't there be a serious reckoning for the GAA over this given that the GAA as an organisation is taking the piss and acting against public safety?

Already this evening we've had Tomas O'Se on RTE plámásing over this

Ah, shure yerra, the lads all come from good families
My point is there should be no issue in regards to outdoor activities. Roll out of vaccines is story worth running with. Golfgate was a gathering indoors and this virus spreads the most indoors.

Dessie Farrell suspended for 12 weeks for these breach of guidelines will that suspension hold? they rarely do with Dublin
But that is not the issue

You are entitled to an opinion on whether you like the rules or not, but the fact is, neither you nor Dublin GAA make the rules, the rules are clear and Dublin broke them

And Dublin are far from alone within the GAA in breaking them

Dublin were encouraged to break them because other teams got away with a tut tut and a gentle slap on the wrist from the GAA

This is a systemic problem within the GAA and it has serious negative implications for Ireland's ability to fight this pandemic
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee





John Costello has some neck on him! :D
I think Costello is the one with most questions to answer and suspending Farrell is designed to protect him

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dublin county board have decided to impose their own suspension so they can start it from now, hoping that HQ won't bother imposing their own ban which would start from the return to competitive action. I hope they don't get away with that shite.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:52:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:12:51 PM
This story about Dublin caught out training is a storm in a tea cup. Outdoor activities is as low risk as you can get. The month of March should have been used for inter County training with the leagues played in April.

That would have given us June, July and August to play club or Inter County championships.

That isn't the issue

The issue is the rule breaking - public safety during Covid is made up of many millions of individual decisions - and example is everything - and it seems that in the GAA, the rule breaking as regards Covid is an epidemic in itself

This means that the GAA has in effect become a rogue organisation promoting the breaking of restrictions which are there for public safety in a pandemic, and that is a very serious situation

Last week there was widespread anger at what happened at the Beacon hospital

There was widespread anger at Golfgate and the Storey funeral

Why not here?

Why shouldn't there be accountability here?

This is as much an example of the elite believing the rules don't apply to them as Beacongate, Golfgate and Storeygate

Why shouldn't there be a serious reckoning for the GAA over this given that the GAA as an organisation is taking the piss and acting against public safety?

Already this evening we've had Tomas O'Se on RTE plámásing over this

Ah, shure yerra, the lads all come from good families
My point is there should be no issue in regards to outdoor activities. Roll out of vaccines is story worth running with. Golfgate was a gathering indoors and this virus spreads the most indoors.

Dessie Farrell suspended for 12 weeks for these breach of guidelines will that suspension hold? they rarely do with Dublin

Dublin county board handed out the 12 week ban. If it was GAA HQ it would have been 8 weeks.

While county boards/clubs all over the country seem to automatically appeal red cards I don't think Dessie will be appealing this. He'll have already met/spoke with the county board following the story this morning
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
The manager is one thing, what about the players, they took part?
What about the venue?

The Down/Cork players weren't suspended so why would you suspend the Dublin players? To call for the club to be punished is way over the top.
They should have been suspended and there should have been much greater consequences for Cork and Down in general

And the GAA now have to make an example of Dublin, because lack of consequences encourages all teams within the GAA to break the rules, and encourages everybody in society to break the rules

You have to draw a line
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2021, 05:12:51 PM
This story about Dublin caught out training is a storm in a tea cup. Outdoor activities is as low risk as you can get. The month of March should have been used for inter County training with the leagues played in April.

That would have given us May, June, July and August to play club or Inter County championships.
You can't be serious! Why bother with Covid restrictions at all if individuals or organisations can set their own rules on the hoof? Don't you think the month of March would have been put to better use if it was deemed in the public interest to do so?
Do you think NPHET or the Government give a flying f**k about the public interest?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

Any team has the right to suspend players or managers for rulebreakimg
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2021, 06:02:57 PM
Would anyone be surprised if the government tried to "punish" the GAA for this?

It is startling that just 12 hours before the Dubs were training the GAA sent out correspondence which said:
"Breaches in this context (collective training sessions) will be dealt with under our own rules but would likely put the broader plan to return to activity in serious jeopardy."

That the highest profile team in the country were caught engaging in a collective training session so soon after that correspondence was sent has me worried about what the government might feel they should do.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

Any team has the right to suspend players or managers for rulebreakimg

Of course they do - the thing is did they follow proper procedure in doing this.

If Farrell is ok to carry the can they they are probably fine but if he isn't willing to go along with things it could get massively messy.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on April 01, 2021, 06:09:53 PM
Good work DCB.

Error of judgement by Dessie. Appropriately and quickly punished. I hope we can get over this setback
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?

There's no way that the powers-that-be can hide behind the DCB suspension even if they wanted to [can't help but think the DCB are wishing Johnny Horan was still in place] - Cork and Down would both have very strong cases to have the loss of their home match overturned.

None of sponsors will decamp now but it definitely is a blow to the Dublin brand.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 07:06:47 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee





John Costello has some neck on him! :D
I think Costello is the one with most questions to answer and suspending Farrell is designed to protect him

Why is that??
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?
Genuinely thought this was an April fools day non story
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee





John Costello has some neck on him! :D
I think Costello is the one with most questions to answer and suspending Farrell is designed to protect him

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dublin county board have decided to impose their own suspension so they can start it from now, hoping that HQ won't bother imposing their own ban which would start from the return to competitive action. I hope they don't get away with that shite.

To be fair Mayo CB didn't the Mayo players for their off the field  discretions last year 😉😉. You be very naive if you think your county is not training away.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 01, 2021, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?
Genuinely thought this was an April fools day non story

Every county is at. Dubs were the fools that got stung.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 07:55:47 PM
This isn't the US. The GAA disciplinary process is a far more complicated system. You're also using an example that has no relevance to Dessie/Dublin. Dublin suspended Dessie based on the GAA rules and handed out the a suspension more severe than GAA handed out for a similar offence given those managers had the brass neck to appeal to have their ban reduced to 8 weeks
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Blowitupref on April 01, 2021, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 07:55:47 PM
This isn't the US. The GAA disciplinary process is a far more complicated system. You're also using an example that has no relevance to Dessie/Dublin. Dublin suspended Dessie based on the GAA rules and handed out the a suspension more severe than GAA handed out for a similar offence given those managers had the brass neck to appeal to have their ban reduced to 8 weeks

Cork manager Ronan McCarthy failed on his appeal and will serve a 12 week ban. From what I see Dublin GAA basically gave Dessie Farrell the length of a ban they think HQ would have handed out and hope no other action will be taken.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?

There's no way that the powers-that-be can hide behind the DCB suspension even if they wanted to [can't help but think the DCB are wishing Johnny Horan was still in place] - Cork and Down would both have very strong cases to have the loss of their home match overturned.

None of sponsors will decamp now but it definitely is a blow to the Dublin brand.
A blow to the Dublin brand? How? I highly doubt too many give a f**k. Every team in Ireland is training.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gmac on April 01, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 08:31:46 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,
Agreed. Anyone looking lads to be punished for playing football would want to give their heads a wobble.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,


If you can't see the reputational damage that will create for the GAA...

You have a choice of sports to start the kid in. One is the sport that claims to be community based but literally didn't care if people lived and died. The rest put safety of players and the community first.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 08:54:14 PM
This is not a group of lads having an impromptu game of ball on a green

This is six in a row All-Ireland champions Dublin, the institution of the Dublin football team and Dublin GAA, training away at their usual training venue at the usual time, driving there in their branded Dublin GAA cars, as if there's no pandemic and no rules

It's a two fingers to Covid bereaved like myself, and especially Covid bereaved Dublin supporters like myself, my father was a Dublin supporter for well over 60 years, he could recite to you in minute detail about the 1955 championship, about the time Wexford beat Dublin in Carlow in '56, and every year since then

Is it any wonder other people are breaking the rules more and more when this is the example of prominent people in the public eye - and this team has set itself up as role models

And still people deflect about what this is about

This is not about the risk of the Dublin team spreading Covid as a result of the meeting up yesterday morning, which is minute

It's about the entirety of the rules that every person on this island is asked to adhere to, the millions upon millions of individual and institutional decisions to either adhere to the rules or give two fingers to them

The Dublin team as an institution, through their actions, are giving the two fingers to the efforts of everybody to control and get rid of this pandemic - and it doesn't stop at the Dublin team, it reflects terribly on the whole GAA because far more in the GAA are at it and far more have been at it

That's what its about

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,


If you can't see the reputational damage that will create for the GAA...

You have a choice of sports to start the kid in. One is the sport that claims to be community based but literally didn't care if people lived and died. The rest put safety of players and the community first.
What are you on about
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on April 01, 2021, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 01, 2021, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: South Laois man on April 01, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
When Down and Cork were caught training the GAA also announced that a 3rd Leinster county had been caught. Why were they never named🙄🙄🙄🙄

The 3rd Leinster county wasn't Laois or Dublin and are well known for pissing away all their advantages and blaming others.

Touching and emotional that Kildare are uppermost in your thoughts at times like this.  8)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,


If you can't see the reputational damage that will create for the GAA...

You have a choice of sports to start the kid in. One is the sport that claims to be community based but literally didn't care if people lived and died. The rest put safety of players and the community first.
What are you on about

You are arguing that the GAA as an organisation should ignore and flout the public health guidelines.

Thats two fingers to the community we claim to be a core part of. It will be as popular as cancer. Parents who aren't Gaels but just want their kids playing sport will clearly factor in that lack of adherence to rules (if Covid rules are being ignored are other rules like child protection also being ignored) and go to sports that don't publically not give a shit.

The GAA's reputation is already taking a hit. You are arguing to double down.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 10:02:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 08:54:14 PM
This is not a group of lads having an impromptu game of ball on a green

This is six in a row All-Ireland champions Dublin, the institution of the Dublin football team and Dublin GAA, training away at their usual training venue at the usual time, driving there in their branded Dublin GAA cars, as if there's no pandemic and no rules

It's a two fingers to Covid bereaved like myself, and especially Covid bereaved Dublin supporters like myself, my father was a Dublin supporter for well over 60 years, he could recite to you in minute detail about the 1955 championship, about the time Wexford beat Dublin in Carlow in '56, and every year since then

Is it any wonder other people are breaking the rules more and more when this is the example of prominent people in the public eye - and this team has set itself up as role models

And still people deflect about what this is about

This is not about the risk of the Dublin team spreading Covid as a result of the meeting up yesterday morning, which is minute

It's about the entirety of the rules that every person on this island is asked to adhere to, the millions upon millions of individual and institutional decisions to either adhere to the rules or give two fingers to them

The Dublin team as an institution, through their actions, are giving the two fingers to the efforts of everybody to control and get rid of this pandemic - and it doesn't stop at the Dublin team, it reflects terribly on the whole GAA because far more in the GAA are at it and far more have been at it

That's what its about
+1
Extremely well put sid. You can turn eloquence into an art form- most of the time anyway. ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 02, 2021, 07:28:49 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2021, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 01, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2021, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 01, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 01, 2021, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.
You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.
hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,


If you can't see the reputational damage that will create for the GAA...

You have a choice of sports to start the kid in. One is the sport that claims to be community based but literally didn't care if people lived and died. The rest put safety of players and the community first.
What are you on about

You are arguing that the GAA as an organisation should ignore and flout the public health guidelines.

Thats two fingers to the community we claim to be a core part of. It will be as popular as cancer. Parents who aren't Gaels but just want their kids playing sport will clearly factor in that lack of adherence to rules (if Covid rules are being ignored are other rules like child protection also being ignored) and go to sports that don't publically not give a shit.

The GAA's reputation is already taking a hit. You are arguing to double down.
Yes as they are absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 02, 2021, 08:53:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2021, 06:31:57 PM
Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?

You need a lie down  son..Your drinking too much of that Lilt. Get out for walk
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: StephenC on April 02, 2021, 09:49:16 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 01, 2021, 10:02:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 01, 2021, 08:54:14 PM
This is not a group of lads having an impromptu game of ball on a green

This is six in a row All-Ireland champions Dublin, the institution of the Dublin football team and Dublin GAA, training away at their usual training venue at the usual time, driving there in their branded Dublin GAA cars, as if there's no pandemic and no rules

It's a two fingers to Covid bereaved like myself, and especially Covid bereaved Dublin supporters like myself, my father was a Dublin supporter for well over 60 years, he could recite to you in minute detail about the 1955 championship, about the time Wexford beat Dublin in Carlow in '56, and every year since then

Is it any wonder other people are breaking the rules more and more when this is the example of prominent people in the public eye - and this team has set itself up as role models

And still people deflect about what this is about

This is not about the risk of the Dublin team spreading Covid as a result of the meeting up yesterday morning, which is minute

It's about the entirety of the rules that every person on this island is asked to adhere to, the millions upon millions of individual and institutional decisions to either adhere to the rules or give two fingers to them

The Dublin team as an institution, through their actions, are giving the two fingers to the efforts of everybody to control and get rid of this pandemic - and it doesn't stop at the Dublin team, it reflects terribly on the whole GAA because far more in the GAA are at it and far more have been at it

That's what its about
+1
Extremely well put sid. You can turn eloquence into an art form- most of the time anyway. ;D

Agreed. Sums up my feelings on this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 02, 2021, 10:17:12 AM
+3.
No more than that arrogant ape of a Priest in Cavan the Law applies to the GAA as well as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: DuffleKing on April 02, 2021, 10:23:21 AM

Saying mass is indoor and a serious risk of the transmission of covid.

Playing football outdoors has virtually no risk of transmitting covid.

These are indisputable facts borne out by science.

Because our environment has been warped so far away from following science and best practice doesn't change any of the actual logic.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 02, 2021, 10:26:32 AM
Did Dublin break Government public health restrictions?
Did Dublin break GAA rules?
Is the GAA above the Law?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: DuffleKing on April 02, 2021, 10:38:47 AM

They broke both of those sets of rules and I'm sure will be punished accordingly.

However, to not mention that both sets of rules are inanely idiotic is to contribute to the dumb silence in this country that has created a society left behind.

With all due respect to those affected by covid - like my own family - prohibiting outdoor sport adds nothing to the battle against this virus.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 02, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
Finally a stick to beat this great Dublin team.

Were they in the wrong? Yes

Was it the biggest crime in the world? No

Will anyone remember this in 6 months when they win another all ireland? No

Is it front page news, considering other events? Absolutely not.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 10:52:42 AM
Some of my observations the past month.

A couple of weeks back I stood outside Tesco waiting to get in. There were about 30 ahead of me in the queue, and it took about 2-3 mins to get in. So in back of an envelope figures, they're processing 600-700 people an hour through an indoor space. But more interesting was that the queue and indeed the store was full to the brim of families, with children all unmasked, out for a leisurely stroll around their supermarket.

I called into the M1 Lisburn services for fuel. Went in to pay, and found that the entire indoor complex was open for business. Almost every seat was taken upstairs and down. And not by truckers on a necessary stopover for tiredness.

Just Sunday past my mother and ageing aunt went off to mass. To sit indoors with a bunch of other septuagenarians.

And once again, a few weeks ago, we were told to send our kids back to school. To sit indoors for 6 hours a day with dozens of people.

——

All of these things are immeasurably more dangerous than training outdoors.

But because a group of civil servants somewhere have both knowingly and unknowingly created a set of laws that are inconsistent and full of gaping holes, they also are all permitted activities.

——

Healthy adult males training outdoors in a small group is as much a Covid threat as the shape of tonight's moon.

——

The world would be a better place if people applied common sense before outrage.

We all now know the basic science of staying safe. Meeting people outdoors is safe. Sanitise before and after to be double safe. Minimise any form of contact. Do not travel together or you undo all of the above.

With regards to the Dublin footballers, this means either the science is wrong or the laws are wrong.

Engage your brain before your mouth.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 02, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 10:52:42 AM
Some of my observations the past month.

A couple of weeks back I stood outside Tesco waiting to get in. There were about 30 ahead of me in the queue, and it took about 2-3 mins to get in. So in back of an envelope figures, they're processing 600-700 people an hour through an indoor space. But more interesting was that the queue and indeed the store was full to the brim of families, with children all unmasked, out for a leisurely stroll around their supermarket.

I called into the M1 Lisburn services for fuel. Went in to pay, and found that the entire indoor complex was open for business. Almost every seat was taken upstairs and down. And not by truckers on a necessary stopover for tiredness.

Just Sunday past my mother and ageing aunt went off to mass. To sit indoors with a bunch of other septuagenarians.

And once again, a few weeks ago, we were told to send our kids back to school. To sit indoors for 6 hours a day with dozens of people.

——

All of these things are immeasurably more dangerous than training outdoors.

But because a group of civil servants somewhere have both knowingly and unknowingly created a set of laws that are inconsistent and full of gaping holes, they also are all permitted activities.

——

Healthy adult males training outdoors in a small group is as much a Covid threat as the shape of tonight's moon.

——

The world would be a better place if people applied common sense before outrage.

We all now know the basic science of staying safe. Meeting people outdoors is safe. Sanitise before and after to be double safe. Minimise any form of contact. Do not travel together or you undo all of the above.

With regards to the Dublin footballers, this means either the science is wrong or the laws are wrong.

Engage your brain before your mouth.

Quite possibly both are wrong but the point at issue is that the Dublin individuals concerned gave the stiff two finger sign to both. They are widely regarded as role models by the public in general and especially young people, in particular by Dublin kids.
The players take this responsibility quite seriously as evidenced by the visits to children's' hospitals after All Ireland finals and too many other instances to mention.
Now, on the morning following clear directived from the GAA to the contrary, Farrell and a number of his players flouted brazenly the rules.
This is what sid waddell had to say in a recent post and sid is an excellent wordsmith - at times.
"This is not about the risk of the Dublin team spreading Covid as a result of the meeting up yesterday morning, which is minute
It's about the entirety of the rules that every person on this island is asked to adhere to, the millions upon millions of individual and institutional decisions to either adhere to the rules or give two fingers to them."

I don't think I could express the crux of the matter any better so I won't even try.
No doubt about it, people are flouting the restrictions left, right and centre and will continue to do so because all of us are confused, bothered and bewildered by the complexity of guidelines being replaced or amended all the time- or so it can seem.
However, the restrictions have been devised by the best qualified medical personnel at our disposal and their liaison with the best international experts should add weight to their decisions.
The sight of their role models totally ignoring government regulations and qualified medical advice won't motivate many kids, or adults either to follow social distancing and all that goes with it. 



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 02, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 02, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
Finally a stick to beat this great Dublin team.

Were they in the wrong? Yes

Was it the biggest crime in the world? No

Will anyone remember this in 6 months when they win another all ireland? No

Is it front page news, considering other events? Absolutely not.

That's it in a nutshell. Dubs were wrong, the county board have acted decisively and dessie will have to serve his ban.

Front page headlines yesterday in 2 of the newspapers were the dubs and Gardai haircuts in a garda station.

I'd say the Beacon hospital/CEO are delighted these have now taken over as headline news. Meanwhile a doctor taking vaccines home to give family members is only minor news. Bizarre were the priorities are
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Lar I took a dander over to our club yesterday evening to do some weed killing.

There was a group of a dozen 10-11 year olds playing soccer in one of the goalmouths. Some members of the club, some not.

On the adjacent council field there was two dozen 14-15 year olds enjoying a heated game of soccer. Again a mix of club members and not.

Was either group inspired to play football because they saw photos of Dublin players doing it? No. Was either group inspired to take a liberty with the law because they saw photos of Dublin doing it? No.

Were they out playing football because it was a great evening and all the pitches were cut this week? Yes.

Exactly the same thing my fiends and I did 30 years ago.

——

People put too much stock in role models.

There's a reason why the vast majority of teenage girls aren't pregnant, married, divorced, recovered alcoholic runaways, even though almost every teenage soap character follows a journey along those lines. It's because human beings have an inbuilt risk radar which keeps them out of trouble most of the time. We are influenced by celebrity but we are smart enough to make our own decisions about what matters. Even the stupidest of us.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on April 02, 2021, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Lar I took a dander over to our club yesterday evening to do some weed killing.

There was a group of a dozen 10-11 year olds playing soccer in one of the goalmouths. Some members of the club, some not.

On the adjacent council field there was two dozen 14-15 year olds enjoying a heated game of soccer. Again a mix of club members and not.

Was either group inspired to play football because they saw photos of Dublin players doing it? No. Was either group inspired to take a liberty with the law because they saw photos of Dublin doing it? No.

Were they out playing football because it was a great evening and all the pitches were cut this week? Yes.

Exactly the same thing my fiends and I did 30 years ago.

——

People put too much stock in role models.

There's a reason why the vast majority of teenage girls aren't pregnant, married, divorced, recovered alcoholic runaways, even though almost every teenage soap character follows a journey along those lines. It's because human beings have an inbuilt risk radar which keeps them out of trouble most of the time. We are influenced by celebrity but we are smart enough to make our own decisions about what matters. Even the stupidest of us.
Would ye quit with the common sense!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 02, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
Anybody who disagrees with the wobbler is an extremist, apparently, and brainless

That seems pretty extreme on his part
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 02, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
Anybody who disagrees with the wobbler is an extremist, apparently, and brainless

That seems pretty extreme on his part

You just can't help yourself. I'm not going to give you the opportunity to ruin another good thread with bizarre American political references. So just a quick reminder that I don't engage with you anymore.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 02, 2021, 02:27:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Lar I took a dander over to our club yesterday evening to do some weed killing.

There was a group of a dozen 10-11 year olds playing soccer in one of the goalmouths. Some members of the club, some not.

On the adjacent council field there was two dozen 14-15 year olds enjoying a heated game of soccer. Again a mix of club members and not.

Was either group inspired to play football because they saw photos of Dublin players doing it? No. Was either group inspired to take a liberty with the law because they saw photos of Dublin doing it? No.

Were they out playing football because it was a great evening and all the pitches were cut this week? Yes.

Exactly the same thing my fiends and I did 30 years ago.

——

People put too much stock in role models.

There's a reason why the vast majority of teenage girls aren't pregnant, married, divorced, recovered alcoholic runaways, even though almost every teenage soap character follows a journey along those lines. It's because human beings have an inbuilt risk radar which keeps them out of trouble most of the time. We are influenced by celebrity but we are smart enough to make our own decisions about what matters. Even the stupidest of us.
Remember Dana, the Derry girl that won the Eurovision many years ago?
Sometime after she fronted a campaign to persuade young people. Such role model stuff would be pretty commonplace now but back in the 70s, Dana's message stood out because she was  famous and she was young, fresh and innocent- as every mother would wish her offspring to be.
I was teaching 11-12 year olds at the time and all of them looked up to the wee lass from Derry.
I arrived one morning  and got out of my car and straightaway I could sense that all was not well in the playground. Kids were gathered in animated knots and you could feel the buzz that only revved up children can generate.
As soon as I left the car, I had a horde of excited kids milling about. With maybe ten of the boys attempting to speak at once and as many more on the periphery trying to push their way to the front, the decibel count was way off the Richter scale!
I finally got them under some sort of semi-control and when the yelps and squeals have subsided somewhat, I was finally able to decipher what the cause of the commotion was.
Dana had been seen smoking! 
Somebody has seen her puffing a fag between takes on a TV show being filmed at Montrose and the word spread like wildfire. Dana was a fake!
To be fair to the young lady, it was never proved beyond any reasonable shadow of doubt that she had transgressed but the rumour was enough to cause a stir throughout the land. No one ever came forward to claim that he/she had actually seen her with a fag in her gob; it may have been a complete fabrication or a trick of the light - who knows?
Back then, there weren't nearly as many diversions to occupy people's' attention and this was BIG News!
Dana did the cigarette manufacturers no harm at all as far as I and my colleagues could tell,  and. like teachers and parents throughout the land, a lot of explaining had to be done.
Take my word for it, people pay more respect to role models than you seem to appreciate.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 02, 2021, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 02, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
Anybody who disagrees with the wobbler is an extremist, apparently, and brainless

That seems pretty extreme on his part

You just can't help yourself. I'm not going to give you the opportunity to ruin another good thread with bizarre American political references. So just a quick reminder that I don't engage with you anymore.
Thanks for engaging with me to notify me you don't engage with me



Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: sid waddell on April 02, 2021, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 02, 2021, 02:27:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Lar I took a dander over to our club yesterday evening to do some weed killing.

There was a group of a dozen 10-11 year olds playing soccer in one of the goalmouths. Some members of the club, some not.

On the adjacent council field there was two dozen 14-15 year olds enjoying a heated game of soccer. Again a mix of club members and not.

Was either group inspired to play football because they saw photos of Dublin players doing it? No. Was either group inspired to take a liberty with the law because they saw photos of Dublin doing it? No.

Were they out playing football because it was a great evening and all the pitches were cut this week? Yes.

Exactly the same thing my fiends and I did 30 years ago.

——

People put too much stock in role models.

There's a reason why the vast majority of teenage girls aren't pregnant, married, divorced, recovered alcoholic runaways, even though almost every teenage soap character follows a journey along those lines. It's because human beings have an inbuilt risk radar which keeps them out of trouble most of the time. We are influenced by celebrity but we are smart enough to make our own decisions about what matters. Even the stupidest of us.
Remember Dana, the Derry girl that won the Eurovision many years ago?
Sometime after she fronted a campaign to persuade young people. Such role model stuff would be pretty commonplace now but back in the 70s, Dana's message stood out because she was  famous and she was young, fresh and innocent- as every mother would wish her offspring to be.
I was teaching 11-12 year olds at the time and all of them looked up to the wee lass from Derry.
I arrived one morning  and got out of my car and straightaway I could sense that all was not well in the playground. Kids were gathered in animated knots and you could feel the buzz that only revved up children can generate.
As soon as I left the car, I had a horde of excited kids milling about. With maybe ten of the boys attempting to speak at once and as many more on the periphery trying to push their way to the front, the decibel count was way off the Richter scale!
I finally got them under some sort of semi-control and when the yelps and squeals have subsided somewhat, I was finally able to decipher what the cause of the commotion was.
Dana had been seen smoking! 
Somebody has seen her puffing a fag between takes on a TV show being filmed at Montrose and the word spread like wildfire. Dana was a fake!
To be fair to the young lady, it was never proved beyond any reasonable shadow of doubt that she had transgressed but the rumour was enough to cause a stir throughout the land. No one ever came forward to claim that he/she had actually seen her with a fag in her gob; it may have been a complete fabrication or a trick of the light - who knows?
Back then, there weren't nearly as many diversions to occupy people's' attention and this was BIG News!
Dana did the cigarette manufacturers no harm at all as far as I and my colleagues could tell,  and. like teachers and parents throughout the land, a lot of explaining had to be done.
Take my word for it, people pay more respect to role models than you seem to appreciate.
Publicly religious young women often like to put things in their mouth on the down low

To be fair Dana was the epitome of cool back then

No wonder young lads used to sneak out of seminaries to go to her concerts

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Angelo on April 02, 2021, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 02, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 02, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
Finally a stick to beat this great Dublin team.

Were they in the wrong? Yes

Was it the biggest crime in the world? No

Will anyone remember this in 6 months when they win another all ireland? No

Is it front page news, considering other events? Absolutely not.

That's it in a nutshell. Dubs were wrong, the county board have acted decisively and dessie will have to serve his ban.

Front page headlines yesterday in 2 of the newspapers were the dubs and Gardai haircuts in a garda station.

I'd say the Beacon hospital/CEO are delighted these have now taken over as headline news. Meanwhile a doctor taking vaccines home to give family members is only minor news. Bizarre were the priorities are

The hypocrisy off this Screaming Mary.

If it was another county you'd be screaming blue murder.

I don't see it as too big a deal myself but you need to be called out another case of blatant double standards.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
Meanwhile a proud small GAA County gets back on its feet

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0402/1207631-roscommon-gaa-finances-back-on-track/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 03, 2021, 10:47:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
Meanwhile a proud small GAA County gets back on its feet

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0402/1207631-roscommon-gaa-finances-back-on-track/

Fair play to all involved - a great turnaround and good to see a proud county back in control of their own affairs.
It's obviously a huge help to have a backer like Sean Mulryan to provide the properties to auction, but still a great story.
It does pose the question how other counties who don't have a millionaire/billionaire backer can sustain things in an era where the likes of Dublin have a list of multinational sponsors.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Fair play to Mulryan indeed for all his help....but he still had to be paid for the houses.
The whole question of funding Counties, expenditure on County teams etc , needs a serious examination to see if a solution based on fairness can be found.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 03, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
Meanwhile a proud small GAA County gets back on its feet

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0402/1207631-roscommon-gaa-finances-back-on-track/

Getting McStay and McHale off the payroll was a big plus.  AC expenses with no training.  Wasn't cheap when he involved with Galway hurlers and Garrycastle.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on April 03, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Fair play to Mulryan indeed for all his help....but he still had to be paid for the houses.
The whole question of funding Counties, expenditure on County teams etc , needs a serious examination to see if a solution based on fairness can be found.

It will never be completely fair. But there should be a common pool of money divided by 32 (or what ever the number is minus Kilkenny plus London and New York). A squad of 30+ players from Leitrim should be entitled to the same expenses as a squad from Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and the obvious one!

This is in relation to football only. Hurling would need a different mechanism!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
They're all entitled to the same official expenses but it's a major burden on small Counties' Boards.
Also Western and rural Counties bear a dispropriate burden.
Central GAA should pay them for a set number of weeks, say from 1st December or whenever till County finishes its Championship run - early June for most in the new split Season model.
Also some percentage of sponsorship needs pooling too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 03, 2021, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
They're all entitled to the same official expenses but it's a major burden on small Counties' Boards.
Also Western and rural Counties bear a dispropriate burden.
Central GAA should pay them for a set number of weeks, say from 1st December or whenever till County finishes its Championship run - early June for most in the new split Season model.
Also some percentage of sponsorship needs pooling too.

Croke Park have taken over the administration of the players and backroom staff mileage and expenses scheme since last year.
Each county squad (both hurling and football) are entitled to expenses for 32 players and 9 backroom staff.
Grants from Croke Park to each county have been reduced as a result.


Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 06:20:21 PM
So in effect the individual Counties still bear the cost?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on April 03, 2021, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 03, 2021, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
They're all entitled to the same official expenses but it's a major burden on small Counties' Boards.
Also Western and rural Counties bear a dispropriate burden.
Central GAA should pay them for a set number of weeks, say from 1st December or whenever till County finishes its Championship run - early June for most in the new split Season model.
Also some percentage of sponsorship needs pooling too.

Croke Park have taken over the administration of the players and backroom staff mileage and expenses scheme since last year.
Each county squad (both hurling and football) are entitled to expenses for 32 players and 9 backroom staff.
Grants from Croke Park to each county have been reduced as a result.




I thought that just a covid measure? is it a permanent arrangement?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 06, 2021, 11:14:11 AM
Well done Louth

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/louths-double-house-draw-to-clear-12m-for-new-stadium-40279008.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: screenexile on April 06, 2021, 10:32:30 PM
Was wondering how they'd afford the new management ticket!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: twohands!!! on April 07, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2021, 08:43:17 PM

I thought that just a covid measure? is it a permanent arrangement?

Permanent measure - GPA have been working for a good while to get this through.
Expenses/allowances have caused a world of bother over the years between county boards and squads.
Some of the worst behaviour by county board officials has been related to this - telling certain lads on panels they don't deserve it/trying to put lads who were injured off from claiming/delaying payments by months and months/massive differences in time scale between how different codes were treated. This wasn't all counties but over the years there have been some real terrible carry-on by some individuals in county boards. Croke Park taking care of it should improve matters a lot.
Story below is just one example. There were a lot of other cases over the years.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40217390.html

Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 06:20:21 PM
So in effect the individual Counties still bear the cost?

County boards were getting grants from Croke Park from when the central agreement to pay players expenses started.
County boards aren't losing out at all.
County boards also save time/money on the administration of this.

Counties are curently still allowed carry more than the 32 players and 9 backroom team but any of these additional/extra costs the county has to bear [don't be surprised if this - being allowed carry more than 32+9 - comes under pressure down the road - there was already talk that this (32+9) should be the maximum allowed in total]

What's really going to be interesting in the various county board financial accounts is the money spent on intercounty teams preparation, when these standard player and backroom expenses are taken out. Will give a clearer idea on what counties are spending on intercounty preparation over the standard allowances to players.

These measure should benefit a lot of the weaker teams in the less popular codes e.g. hurling in a lot of counties and football in some of the hurling counties.

For a lot of managers the fact that the expenses/allowances for a squad of 32 players and a backroom team of 9 expenses are guaranteed and administered by Croke Park for pre-season training,league and championship without having to go anywhere near the county board will be a massive plus. I'd say if you looked at a lot of intercounty squads they came nowhere near having expenses covered for 32 players and 9 backroom staff.

It's not going to solve all the issues around the cost of intercounty teams but it is a step forward, especially for the players on teams lower down the divisions.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: heffo on April 08, 2021, 08:38:33 AM
Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.

When Banty was Meath manager  the Meath team would train in Monaghan in club jersies during the close season. It's not a new development for them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: the goal was on on April 08, 2021, 09:14:45 AM
Wonder were donie Buckley and Johnny Davis there? Book needs to be thrown at them too as they have clearly breached the travel rules.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Mayo Border on April 08, 2021, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.
Dubs off the hook. The matter is now diluted and shure they're all at it etc. New GAA president Larry McCarthy announced today that following this latest transgression, a committee has been set up to  review the issue . No mention of a committee when Cormac Costelloe, Fenton, Cooper etc were caught at 6'o'clock in the morning down the shady lane.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 08, 2021, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on April 08, 2021, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.
Dubs off the hook. The matter is now diluted and shure they're all at it etc. New GAA president Larry McCarthy announced today that following this latest transgression, a committee has been set up to  review the issue . No mention of a committee when Cormac Costelloe, Fenton, Cooper etc were caught at 6'o'clock in the morning down the shady lane.

How long were the Cork and Down lads banned for?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 09, 2021, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.

Both. Adding to the GAA's arseache that they are perceived to not give a shit. They don't know county sides are training on association grounds but will catch anyone renting the astro to soccer. Hmmmm.

Still doesn't let the Dubs off the hook but its getting lost in a broader debacle.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 18, 2021, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 04, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs

All examples or comparisons pre-2011 are irrelevant. You can say Dublin suffered this or Dublin lost that. That was a different Dublin. A Dublin without finances.

I will be cheering on Dublin again this year. The only way for this to stop is for Dublin to keep winning. The only problem is how long the GAA decide to go on with this fiasco. They have already let Leinster drift into the quagmire for nearly 2 decades! God only knows how long this fiasco can go on before someone shouts stop!
Since the Qualifiers came in Leinster falling into a quagmire wasn't too serious.
Now that the AI has sunk its a different story but the GAA top brass are still ignoring it, helped by various media useful eejits and needy Co and Provincial Chairs.

Morteen Breheny  and Colm Keys have highlighted this for years and as well as RTE and Newstalk
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 18, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
Just saw this now...
Dublin weren't world beaters between say, 95' and 2005  but that's because standards were levelling out throughout the country- it wasn't that they were bad, it was more a case of an increasing number of teams being, more or less, of an equal standard.
Take the 11 years, 1995-2005, for instance. You had a total of 6 AI winners and all provinces were represented. Dublin and Meath from Leinster, Galway from Connacht, Tyrone and Armagh from Ulster and Kerry from Munster.
There were also 6 Leinster provincial champions, Dublin (3) Meath (3), Kildare, (2) Offaly, (1) Laois, (1) and Westmeath. (1)
There never was a period before when the standard throughout the land was so evenly spread. The standard of football was  exceptionally high. You could reel off a list of games that were top notch.

Also, and perhaps more  importantly, there was an improvement in standards throughout the country. Both Sligo and Longford were desperately unlucky to lose games against Kerry.
Fermanagh, Wexford and Wicklow began to punch well above their weight. All in all,, the GAA seemed to be having its most successful period ever.
Then along came 2005 and the rest is history. The names of John Bailey, Bertie Ahern and the National Sports Council may spring to mind, but that's probably just coincidence of course!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 18, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
Just saw this now...
Dublin weren't world beaters between say, 95' and 2005  but that's because standards were levelling out throughout the country- it wasn't that they were bad, it was more a case of an increasing number of teams being, more or less, of an equal standard.
Take the 11 years, 1995-2005, for instance. You had a total of 6 AI winners and all provinces were represented. Dublin and Meath from Leinster, Galway from Connacht, Tyrone and Armagh from Ulster and Kerry from Munster.
There were also 6 Leinster provincial champions, Dublin (3) Meath (3), Kildare, (2) Offaly, (1) Laois, (1) and Westmeath. (1)
There never was a period before when the standard throughout the land was so evenly spread. The standard of football was  exceptionally high. You could reel off a list of games that were top notch.

Also, and perhaps more  importantly, there was an improvement in standards throughout the country. Both Sligo and Longford were desperately unlucky to lose games against Kerry.
Fermanagh, Wexford and Wicklow began to punch well above their weight. All in all,, the GAA seemed to be having its most successful period ever.
Then along came 2005 and the rest is history. The names of John Bailey, Bertie Ahern and the National Sports Council may spring to mind, but that's probably just coincidence of course!

That's brilliant. You somehow manage to blame Dublin for  every county in the country (not just Leinster) struggling.

You just need to ignore the fact the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo have no chance these days to win a provincial title (through no fault of Dublin) to have a point, or is that just a coincidence
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 18, 2021, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 18, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs
Just saw this now...
Dublin weren't world beaters between say, 95' and 2005  but that's because standards were levelling out throughout the country- it wasn't that they were bad, it was more a case of an increasing number of teams being, more or less, of an equal standard.
Take the 11 years, 1995-2005, for instance. You had a total of 6 AI winners and all provinces were represented. Dublin and Meath from Leinster, Galway from Connacht, Tyrone and Armagh from Ulster and Kerry from Munster.
There were also 6 Leinster provincial champions, Dublin (3) Meath (3), Kildare, (2) Offaly, (1) Laois, (1) and Westmeath. (1)
There never was a period before when the standard throughout the land was so evenly spread. The standard of football was  exceptionally high. You could reel off a list of games that were top notch.

Also, and perhaps more  importantly, there was an improvement in standards throughout the country. Both Sligo and Longford were desperately unlucky to lose games against Kerry.
Fermanagh, Wexford and Wicklow began to punch well above their weight. All in all,, the GAA seemed to be having its most successful period ever.
Then along came 2005 and the rest is history. The names of John Bailey, Bertie Ahern and the National Sports Council may spring to mind, but that's probably just coincidence of course!

That's brilliant. You somehow manage to blame Dublin for  every county in the country (not just Leinster) struggling.

You just need to ignore the fact the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo have no chance these days to win a provincial title (through no fault of Dublin) to have a point, or is that just a coincidence
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???
Where did I mention Dublin?
Is what a coincidence?
I have given you the bare facts, stats don't liie.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 18, 2021, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.
That's a pretty reasonable post and I folllow what you say.
But the "if" in your last sentance is all important.
It's a classic case of, well, it wasn't so it isn't.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 18, 2021, 06:42:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.
I can't find fault with any of that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 18, 2021, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

That time never existed.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on April 18, 2021, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

A weak attempt at conflating Dublin's recent absolute dominance with the well established standing of the other two. Only one gap has really grown - the one that has lead to Dublin winning every one of the last six All Irelands and all but one of about the last 600 Leinster titles.

By contrast, Mayo have won just one of the last five Connacht titles and are regularly overturned by half of their provincial rivals. It's also been a lifetime since they won an AI. And Kerry aren't even the current Munster champions. That's Tipperary, who were pushed most on the way to that title by Limerick.

And plenty of shocks still happen outside of the sphere of Dublin repression. Tipperary's Munster title; Cavan's Ulster title; Fermanagh beating Monaghan; Kildare beating Mayo - all shocks involving big guns in the last two or three seasons.

There is a healthy and exciting intercounty championship waiting for us if one big problem is tackled. We all know the solution, but it seems that we'll limp along for a lock of years yet before there's the courage and initiative to see it happen.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2021, 12:02:01 AM
Spot on Ed.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: dublin7 on April 19, 2021, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on April 18, 2021, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on April 18, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on April 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
With all the money being funneled to Dublin, it has much more of an negative effect on the smaller counties who struggle to raise the amount of finance needed. When the GAA even out the spread of the financial support to all counties equally then we can debate the merits that the funding has on the improvements on individual counties. Maybe it is a coincidence that Dublin dominance started when the financial assistant was ramped up but if the money was distributed equally we would be in a better position to assess the benefits.

Team/player preparation is so professional now the gap between the bigger and smaller counties has grown significantly to the stage were you rarely see shocks these days. The days when the likes of Sligo, Leitrim, Limerick etc were able to compete with the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry are long gone.

A weak attempt at conflating Dublin's recent absolute dominance with the well established standing of the other two. Only one gap has really grown - the one that has lead to Dublin winning every one of the last six All Irelands and all but one of about the last 600 Leinster titles.

By contrast, Mayo have won just one of the last five Connacht titles and are regularly overturned by half of their provincial rivals. It's also been a lifetime since they won an AI. And Kerry aren't even the current Munster champions. That's Tipperary, who were pushed most on the way to that title by Limerick.

And plenty of shocks still happen outside of the sphere of Dublin repression. Tipperary's Munster title; Cavan's Ulster title; Fermanagh beating Monaghan; Kildare beating Mayo - all shocks involving big guns in the last two or three seasons.

There is a healthy and exciting intercounty championship waiting for us if one big problem is tackled. We all know the solution, but it seems that we'll limp along for a lock of years yet before there's the courage and initiative to see it happen.

Tipp winning Munster for the first time in 85 years somehow makes the munster championship exciting? Clare were the last team outside of Cork/Kerry to win it before them and that was way back in 1992. The championship based on the provincial championship is a dead duck. at least inhurling they've copped this and made it far more interesting by basing the championship on a league basis.

With the disruptions caused by covid the last 2 seasons the GAA had the perfect opportunity to change championship structures on a trial basis. Instead they wasted the opportunity by continuing with the same out of date format
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on April 19, 2021, 05:10:51 PM
The only provincials worth looking at will be hurling and then the Ulster football. Dublin v Mayo. Tyrone or Donegal v Kerry in other semi. With no back door Mayo will be focused and hammer Galway or Roscommon. Outside of Mayo the standard of football in connacht is very poor.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 19, 2021, 05:18:21 PM
If an expert like you says so ......
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on April 29, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
https://roscommonherald.ie/2021/04/29/roscommon-woman-helping-gaa-plan-for-the-future/

The future of the GAA is in good hands ;)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: macker15 on July 04, 2021, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Fair play to Mulryan indeed for all his help....but he still had to be paid for the houses.
The whole question of funding Counties, expenditure on County teams etc , needs a serious examination to see if a solution based on fairness can be found.

It will never be completely fair. But there should be a common pool of money divided by 32 (or what ever the number is minus Kilkenny plus London and New York). A squad of 30+ players from Leitrim should be entitled to the same expenses as a squad from Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and the obvious one!

This is in relation to football only. Hurling would need a different mechanism!


With a Dublin club winning 2 All Ireland club titles as well, you can see how much the increased funding has impacted hurling in Dublin. A complete transformation.

Dublin ladies footballers added to their large title haul recently also. Again, a huge change post funding.

Dublin senior footballers played their first away game in the Leinster championship since 2006 today. It took 15 years! They are on their way to winning 7 All Ireland's in a row.

Just to remind everyone, this all comes from Dublin GAA receiving millions more in development funding than every other county since 2002. We're almost at the 2 decade anniversary of that disgraceful decision to segregate public and GAA funds for a one county specific program.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: J70 on July 06, 2021, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: macker15 on July 04, 2021, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Fair play to Mulryan indeed for all his help....but he still had to be paid for the houses.
The whole question of funding Counties, expenditure on County teams etc , needs a serious examination to see if a solution based on fairness can be found.

It will never be completely fair. But there should be a common pool of money divided by 32 (or what ever the number is minus Kilkenny plus London and New York). A squad of 30+ players from Leitrim should be entitled to the same expenses as a squad from Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and the obvious one!

This is in relation to football only. Hurling would need a different mechanism!


With a Dublin club winning 2 All Ireland club titles as well, you can see how much the increased funding has impacted hurling in Dublin. A complete transformation.

Dublin ladies footballers added to their large title haul recently also. Again, a huge change post funding.

Dublin senior footballers played their first away game in the Leinster championship since 2006 today. It took 15 years! They are on their way to winning 7 All Ireland's in a row.

Just to remind everyone, this all comes from Dublin GAA receiving millions more in development funding than every other county since 2002. We're almost at the 2 decade anniversary of that disgraceful decision to segregate public and GAA funds for a one county specific program.

15 years!

IT would be interesting if someone could put a list together of the away matches Dublin have played in the championship over the past 25 years.

I remember a lot of commentary at the time about the novelty when Dublin played Derry (I think) in a qualifier in Clones years ago.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: JoG2 on July 06, 2021, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 06, 2021, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: macker15 on July 04, 2021, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Fair play to Mulryan indeed for all his help....but he still had to be paid for the houses.
The whole question of funding Counties, expenditure on County teams etc , needs a serious examination to see if a solution based on fairness can be found.

It will never be completely fair. But there should be a common pool of money divided by 32 (or what ever the number is minus Kilkenny plus London and New York). A squad of 30+ players from Leitrim should be entitled to the same expenses as a squad from Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and the obvious one!

This is in relation to football only. Hurling would need a different mechanism!


With a Dublin club winning 2 All Ireland club titles as well, you can see how much the increased funding has impacted hurling in Dublin. A complete transformation.

Dublin ladies footballers added to their large title haul recently also. Again, a huge change post funding.

Dublin senior footballers played their first away game in the Leinster championship since 2006 today. It took 15 years! They are on their way to winning 7 All Ireland's in a row.

Just to remind everyone, this all comes from Dublin GAA receiving millions more in development funding than every other county since 2002. We're almost at the 2 decade anniversary of that disgraceful decision to segregate public and GAA funds for a one county specific program.

15 years!

IT would be interesting if someone could put a list together of the away matches Dublin have played in the championship over the past 25 years.

I remember a lot of commentary at the time about the novelty when Dublin played Derry (I think) in a qualifier in Clones years ago.

Away game for the Dubs but not necessarily a home game for their opposition on most occasions . The likes of Nowlan Pk used as neutral venues
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.

No thanks
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on July 14, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.

No thanks
Unless you break up Dublin it won't be competitive
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 14, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.

No thanks
Unless you break up Dublin it won't be competitive

dublin is a different issue but why, as an armagh man, would I support these amalgamations?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on July 15, 2021, 09:45:54 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 14, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.

No thanks
Unless you break up Dublin it won't be competitive

dublin is a different issue but why, as an armagh man, would I support these amalgamations?

I wouldn't either but do you support Dublin being split up. . . ..  it will never happen.

3 tier championship, senior , inter, junior, and live with Dublin always being there or there abouts annually.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on July 15, 2021, 10:16:53 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 15, 2021, 09:45:54 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 14, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 10, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.

No thanks
Unless you break up Dublin it won't be competitive

dublin is a different issue but why, as an armagh man, would I support these amalgamations?

I wouldn't either but do you support Dublin being split up. . . ..  it will never happen.

3 tier championship, senior , inter, junior, and live with Dublin always being there or there abouts annually.

I don't agree with splitting or amalgamating any county/counties
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Never Give Up on November 05, 2021, 12:46:51 AM
Dublin fans clearly think the gravy train should not just be for the Dublin players and officials..

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/dublin-fan-fails-to-sue-gaa-490151

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: seafoid on November 09, 2021, 02:41:29 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40740168.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: TheGreatest on November 09, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 09, 2021, 02:41:29 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40740168.html

What Dublin Schools and clubs needs is more funding, currently there not enough Funding going into certain clubs and areas at Juvenile level.

Proposal should be rejected.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 09, 2021, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 09, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 09, 2021, 02:41:29 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40740168.html

What Dublin Schools and clubs needs is more funding, currently there not enough Funding going into certain clubs and areas at Juvenile level.

Proposal should be rejected.

Nah. Sure it's not about the money.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 07:54:10 AM
Separating teams into counties has never been successful and never will be. The odds are stacked so heavily against weaker counties for a whole host of reasons. Aside from that, the GAA is one of the only sports where your place of birth pretty much determines your chances of being successful. There is no avenue to the top for the good Leitrim footballer or Mayo hurler, aside from the odd day out. This makes the GAA fundamentally flawed at source in my opinion, but we're so wedded to this idealogical bullshit that these same discussions will be going on in 50 years time. So we have a lifetime of watching the same teams playing for the same trophies because that's just the way it is. How f**king boring is that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2021, 12:53:01 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 07:54:10 AM
Separating teams into counties has never been successful and never will be. The odds are stacked so heavily against weaker counties for a whole host of reasons. Aside from that, the GAA is one of the only sports where your place of birth pretty much determines your chances of being successful. There is no avenue to the top for the good Leitrim footballer or Mayo hurler, aside from the odd day out. This makes the GAA fundamentally flawed at source in my opinion, but we're so wedded to this idealogical bullshit that these same discussions will be going on in 50 years time. So we have a lifetime of watching the same teams playing for the same trophies because that's just the way it is. How f**king boring is that.

Funny that's what I love about the gaa. I see the local soccer teams here where they teams change yearly and players bounce about between teams and I think, Naw. I know it happens on occasion where a player leaves to join a bigger club. But they are usually the exceptions.
Most players in the gaa tend to be 1 club for life. For me that's a good thing.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
They don't really have a choice. And let's be honest, too many good players go whole careers winning nothing. It doesn't make sense when players like Niall McNamee for instance had very little opportunity to play in big games. Surely one of the best forwards in recent living memory. The GAA basically has nothing to offer talent like that because his county was going through a lean period
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
They don't really have a choice. And let's be honest, too many good players go whole careers winning nothing. It doesn't make sense when players like Niall McNamee for instance had very little opportunity to play in big games. Surely one of the best forwards in recent living memory. The GAA basically has nothing to offer talent like that because his county was going through a lean period

But the gaa isn't about the elite players. (Or at least it shouldn't be). They should be no more valued than any other club player. He has numerous avenues to advance. Through the club or the county. Giving good players the opportunity to win something by joining other good players in a manufactured team would be down my list of priorities tbh.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 06:28:50 PM
You're right. Leave them where they are. Let them play in the Tin Pot Cup and basically f**k them. Let's focus on maintaining the status quo without being overly facetious towards those less fortunate.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2021, 06:55:39 PM
I'm glad you came to your senses.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 10, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
They don't really have a choice. And let's be honest, too many good players go whole careers winning nothing. It doesn't make sense when players like Niall McNamee for instance had very little opportunity to play in big games. Surely one of the best forwards in recent living memory. The GAA basically has nothing to offer talent like that because his county was going through a lean period

But the gaa isn't about the elite players. (Or at least it shouldn't be). They should be no more valued than any other club player. He has numerous avenues to advance. Through the club or the county. Giving good players the opportunity to win something by joining other good players in a manufactured team would be down my list of priorities tbh.

The advantage soccer has is players find their level and get an opportunity to move up the rungs and test themselves. It's not a negative thing. And don't kid yourself GAA players wouldn't do the exact same given a chance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2021, 11:58:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 10, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 10, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 10, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
They don't really have a choice. And let's be honest, too many good players go whole careers winning nothing. It doesn't make sense when players like Niall McNamee for instance had very little opportunity to play in big games. Surely one of the best forwards in recent living memory. The GAA basically has nothing to offer talent like that because his county was going through a lean period

But the gaa isn't about the elite players. (Or at least it shouldn't be). They should be no more valued than any other club player. He has numerous avenues to advance. Through the club or the county. Giving good players the opportunity to win something by joining other good players in a manufactured team would be down my list of priorities tbh.

The advantage soccer has is players find their level and get an opportunity to move up the rungs and test themselves. It's not a negative thing. And don't kid yourself GAA players wouldn't do the exact same given a chance.

That's not an advantage. I'd argue the fact that county stars are playing alongside club players is a great thing and not a negative. Your last line is your opinion.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 07:02:00 AM
So a player, potentially, can be the best player in Ireland, but never has a chance to reach the pinnacle. I'm struggling to think of many (any) sport like that, and it might explain why smaller counties struggle to retain players year on year. Of course that's not really a concern. Let's face it, the GAA has no plan for smaller counties other than to make them more disadvantaged.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 07:02:00 AM
So a player, potentially, can be the best player in Ireland, but never has a chance to reach the pinnacle. I'm struggling to think of many (any) sport like that, and it might explain why smaller counties struggle to retain players year on year. Of course that's not really a concern. Let's face it, the GAA has no plan for smaller counties other than to make them more disadvantaged.
You keep looking at the fact the best player in Ireland can be playing week in and week out with Joe Soap as a bad thing.
Letting the good players move to bigger counties will certainly help smaller counties retain players. 👍👍
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Keyser soze on November 11, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
If you had 7 amalgamations as follows

Cavan Monaghan Fermanagh
Ros  sligo Leitrim
Laois Carlow Kilkenny
Offaly Westmeath Longford
Wex Wicklow
Tipp Waterf Clare
Armagh Louth


And divided Dublin into 5 teams you could have 24 teams for the football , I believe.
Population would be minimum 195k for each . You would have to make allowance for hurling and Northern Prods but it would be feasible.
It would represent a huge improvement on the status quo.

That'd be a serious hash of a geansai 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 07:02:00 AM
So a player, potentially, can be the best player in Ireland, but never has a chance to reach the pinnacle. I'm struggling to think of many (any) sport like that, and it might explain why smaller counties struggle to retain players year on year. Of course that's not really a concern. Let's face it, the GAA has no plan for smaller counties other than to make them more disadvantaged.
You keep looking at the fact the best player in Ireland can be playing week in and week out with Joe Soap as a bad thing.
Letting the good players move to bigger counties will certainly help smaller counties retain players. 👍👍

No sport shout restrict an individual from winning the highest honours in that game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 10:09:21 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 07:02:00 AM
So a player, potentially, can be the best player in Ireland, but never has a chance to reach the pinnacle. I'm struggling to think of many (any) sport like that, and it might explain why smaller counties struggle to retain players year on year. Of course that's not really a concern. Let's face it, the GAA has no plan for smaller counties other than to make them more disadvantaged.
You keep looking at the fact the best player in Ireland can be playing week in and week out with Joe Soap as a bad thing.
Letting the good players move to bigger counties will certainly help smaller counties retain players. 👍👍

No sport shout restrict an individual from winning the highest honours in that game.

I agree. Good job the GAA doesn't do that.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:16:49 AM
Of course it does. If it didn't, Niall McNamee would have more All Irelands than Bernard Brogan.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
I think you are a bit confused by a team sport and an individual sport. Your all over the shop.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Not at all. I said at the outset that the Intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. That it doesn't allow players such as McNamee the opportunity to win anything noteworthy in my opinion underlines that. The GAA will never be equal as long as the Intercounty system is retained. Of course I wouldn't expect people from Dublin to agree that the GAA is inequitable. I probably wouldn't be too bothered either if we won Leinster titles and All Irelands for fun.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Not at all. I said at the outset that the Intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. That it doesn't allow players such as McNamee the opportunity to win anything noteworthy in my opinion underlines that. The GAA will never be equal as long as the Intercounty system is retained. Of course I wouldn't expect people from Dublin to agree that the GAA is inequitable. I probably wouldn't be too bothered either if we won Leinster titles and All Irelands for fun.

There is issues with the Gaa system no doubt. But giving freedom of movement to players elite or otherwise is not fixing it. And not only that, it would be completely detrimental to the structures that allowed the GAA to become the biggest sporting organisation in the country. Allowing elite players to move to "super" clubs or counties is not progress in my eye.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: smort on November 11, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Not at all. I said at the outset that the Intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. That it doesn't allow players such as McNamee the opportunity to win anything noteworthy in my opinion underlines that. The GAA will never be equal as long as the Intercounty system is retained. Of course I wouldn't expect people from Dublin to agree that the GAA is inequitable. I probably wouldn't be too bothered either if we won Leinster titles and All Irelands for fun.

Offaly have won sam 3 times
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
You're not grasping this are you? I'm saying the intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. I'm saying that all issues associated with that will never be solved as long as intercounty is retained. Therefore, until Leitrim by some miracle get 15 decent players, they will always be what they are. As will many other counties. It's a numbers game in more ways than one and it's not fixable. Intercounty is the very embodiment of the GAA, albeit it is fundamentally flawed
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: smort on November 11, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:32:02 AM
Not at all. I said at the outset that the Intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. That it doesn't allow players such as McNamee the opportunity to win anything noteworthy in my opinion underlines that. The GAA will never be equal as long as the Intercounty system is retained. Of course I wouldn't expect people from Dublin to agree that the GAA is inequitable. I probably wouldn't be too bothered either if we won Leinster titles and All Irelands for fun.

Offaly have won sam 3 times

Granted. And hopefully they win 3 more.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
You're not grasping this are you? I'm saying the intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. I'm saying that all issues associated with that will never be solved as long as intercounty is retained. Therefore, until Leitrim by some miracle get 15 decent players, they will always be what they are. As will many other counties. It's a numbers game in more ways than one and it's not fixable. Intercounty is the very embodiment of the GAA, albeit it is fundamentally flawed

I am grasping it. I just don't agree with you on the solution. Allowing county players to move county is not going to allow Leitrim to win an AI. It is just as straight forward as that. Letting leitrim's best player leave to join Dublin is not going to help Leitrim win an AI. You haven't mentioned a solution that will allow Leitrim to win an AI,
What you want is for individuals to be able to move freely depending on their ability. But the only benefit for this is to the top most elite players who could all group together in Dublin or Tyrone or Kerry. You'll never get me agreeing that that would be in the interest of the gaa as a whole.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on November 11, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
You're not grasping this are you? I'm saying the intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. I'm saying that all issues associated with that will never be solved as long as intercounty is retained. Therefore, until Leitrim by some miracle get 15 decent players, they will always be what they are. As will many other counties. It's a numbers game in more ways than one and it's not fixable. Intercounty is the very embodiment of the GAA, albeit it is fundamentally flawed
I don't think GAA is the sport for you so...
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
You're not grasping this are you? I'm saying the intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. I'm saying that all issues associated with that will never be solved as long as intercounty is retained. Therefore, until Leitrim by some miracle get 15 decent players, they will always be what they are. As will many other counties. It's a numbers game in more ways than one and it's not fixable. Intercounty is the very embodiment of the GAA, albeit it is fundamentally flawed
I don't think GAA is the sport for you so...

Tbh I'm no longer interested in intercounty. Find it all a bit pointless. Then again I'm from Laois, so that might explain why.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Ed Ricketts on November 11, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
High Fielder, the GAA is a community organisation first and foremost. And as a community organisation it functions incredibly well.

The sporting element is important, but does not, should not, and was never meant to, take precedence. Everything else makes sense once you appreciate this.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rosnarun on November 11, 2021, 03:06:41 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 11, 2021, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 11, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
You're not grasping this are you? I'm saying the intercounty system is fundamentally flawed. I'm saying that all issues associated with that will never be solved as long as intercounty is retained. Therefore, until Leitrim by some miracle get 15 decent players, they will always be what they are. As will many other counties. It's a numbers game in more ways than one and it's not fixable. Intercounty is the very embodiment of the GAA, albeit it is fundamentally flawed

I am grasping it. I just don't agree with you on the solution. Allowing county players to move county is not going to allow Leitrim to win an AI. It is just as straight forward as that. Letting leitrim's best player leave to join Dublin is not going to help Leitrim win an AI. You haven't mentioned a solution that will allow Leitrim to win an AI,
What you want is for individuals to be able to move freely depending on their ability. But the only benefit for this is to the top most elite players who could all group together in Dublin or Tyrone or Kerry. You'll never get me agreeing that that would be in the interest of the gaa as a whole.


Leitrim have a similar chance of winning the All Ireland as all bar the top ten premiership Clubs and more than some of them even,
Sport titles are great to win because they are difficult to get . there us no honor in getting  a lollipop for competing  or changing the rules to make it diffiult for the best team to win. Im Glad Dublins reign was finished by been beaten by a netter team on the day rather than bu some bullshit rule changes designed to hold them back
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 11, 2021, 03:49:21 PM
Dublin were in poor shape this year.
The fear is they'll get back to their all conquering selves in 22.
Last time I looked the GAA was an organisation that ran the Sports of male gaelic football and hurling.
Maybe Rounders and handball in there somewhere too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rudi on November 13, 2021, 07:26:50 PM
Dublin Hurling county final seriously good game, some finish. Extra time now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: StPatsAbu on November 13, 2021, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: Rudi on November 13, 2021, 07:26:50 PM
Dublin Hurling county final seriously good game, some finish. Extra time now.

Waaaay too many steps taken for the equalizing goal!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rudi on November 13, 2021, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on November 13, 2021, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: Rudi on November 13, 2021, 07:26:50 PM
Dublin Hurling county final seriously good game, some finish. Extra time now.

Waaaay too many steps taken for the equalizing goal!

Yeah, but as a neutral not complaining enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 24, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/former-galway-football-boss-alan-mulholland-slams-complete-unfairness-of-gaas-coaching-grants-system-41085665.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 29, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
Meanwhile the soccerites at their usual carry on
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/minister-jack-chambers-calls-for-club-sanctions-after-fai-cup-final-violence-41099591.html

Wonder what "Gah bad Soccer good" man has to say?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 15, 2021, 09:59:12 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1215/1266846-momentum-grows-for-motion-to-address-funding-in-dublin/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Cyril Farrell fan on December 15, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
Is there any chance that Dublin put Dessie Farrell in charge so they'd stop winning All Irelands and people would forget about the funding question?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on December 16, 2021, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on December 15, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
Is there any chance that Dublin put Dessie Farrell in charge so they'd stop winning All Irelands and people would forget about the funding question?
The conveyor belt of talent that the funding supposedly creates (miraculously really given none of the GDOs who are funded ever coach the elite players) has dried up.

Having mainly young 20 somethings going into primary schools to teach boys and girls the basics doesn't produce leaders. At one stage we had 10 or 12 players would be legitimate captain material, now we are down to 3 or 4. Still better than most, and with our population, very competitive club scene and a heap of former players giving their time for free to coach the elite players, we're going to be able to get a talented 30 man panel, so don't write off Dessie just yet.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 10, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-s-tom-ryan-accused-of-an-unfair-effort-to-sway-democratic-debate-over-funding-1.4772889
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: hoynevalley on January 12, 2022, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-s-tom-ryan-accused-of-an-unfair-effort-to-sway-democratic-debate-over-funding-1.4772889

Fair play to Ray Connellan for flaging. Hopefully clubs will use funding rightly. I hear Connellan club were paying  Liam McHale 250 a session. Pat Flanagan and Liam Kearns were getting similar with Rosommon clubs. All in love of the game.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 21, 2022, 07:38:53 PM
Guess what?
The motion won't be going to Congress as it's deemed to be incorrect or in breach of some rule!!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 21, 2022, 07:42:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2022, 07:38:53 PM
Guess what?
The motion won't be going to Congress as it's deemed to beincorrect or in breach of some rule!!!

Wording I wonder? ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tippmaninlaois on January 23, 2022, 01:59:44 PM
Yesterdays Indo

Excellent Graphics which brings clarity to the current funding situation

Interesting also to see the number of registered players per county ranking

https://twitter.com/aaronmcfc1/status/1484877741119922176?s=21
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on January 23, 2022, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 23, 2022, 01:59:44 PM
Yesterdays Indo

Excellent Graphics which brings clarity to the current funding situation

Interesting also to see the number of registered players per county ranking

https://twitter.com/aaronmcfc1/status/1484877741119922176?s=21
More willful ignorance

Comparing DEVELOPMENT funding with number of registered players. Like FFS.

Nobody cares one iota of what this money actually does. A huge number of the brain dead thinks this somehow goes to the Dublin football team!

Nobody cares how  Kerry won 5 minors in a row.

No point copying Kerry. Just, Show me the money and give me a slice.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 23, 2022, 09:00:02 PM
Ooooh aren't we touchy on this subject ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on January 23, 2022, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 23, 2022, 09:00:02 PM
Ooooh aren't we touchy on this subject ::)
Hilarious 😂

Fento and the boys lapping up all this development money, and that's the best you got 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 24, 2022, 06:58:30 PM
Ye'll be well provided for with the feckin Árd Stiúrthóir riding shotgun for ye to keep the plebs in their places.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on January 24, 2022, 07:58:41 PM
As usual no debate about development funding. Just moronic nonsense.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on January 24, 2022, 08:04:56 PM
No debate?
Just like Congress then.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: thewobbler on January 29, 2022, 08:04:24 PM
We all have to be enjoying what's happening in Croke, don't we ?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Hound on January 29, 2022, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 29, 2022, 08:04:24 PM
We all have to be enjoying what's happening in Croke, don't we ?
It is amazing that Armagh can produce a Rian O'Neill without development funding.

Apparently Dublin producing Con, Jack, Fento, CKK, etc was all down to development funding, even though none of them were ever trained by games  development officers! It was just amazing osmosis. Or something.

Maybe all the shite talk will stop now.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 29, 2022, 08:23:51 PM
Maybe retrospectively non-Dubs will realize what we were saying about once-in-a-generation talent.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: imtommygunn on January 29, 2022, 09:11:53 PM
There was huge talent but Jim gavin a massive factor too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 29, 2022, 09:16:08 PM
Yes, that too.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: bennydorano on January 29, 2022, 09:43:11 PM
Dessie out
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on January 29, 2022, 09:50:48 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 29, 2022, 08:23:51 PM
Maybe retrospectively non-Dubs will realize what we were saying about once-in-a-generation talent.

Exactly. I've been posting that on here for the last few years.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: lenny on February 05, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
It's time to split a few of these other counties to give Dublin a chance.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on February 05, 2022, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 05, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
It's time to split a few of these other counties to give Dublin a chance.

You laugh now. But you won't be laughing in the Summer!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: RedHand88 on February 06, 2022, 09:58:00 PM
Time to close the thread?  :D
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 07, 2022, 01:15:56 PM
Serious meltdown over on reservoir dubs.  ;D

The whole world is against them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on February 07, 2022, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: mup on February 07, 2022, 01:15:56 PM
Serious meltdown over on reservoir dubs.  ;D

The whole world is against them.

Probably people on other planets do not like them either.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on February 11, 2022, 11:32:32 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0210/1279066-gaas-new-funding-model-aims-to-redress-the-imbalance/
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: The Hill is Blue on February 11, 2022, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: mup on February 07, 2022, 01:15:56 PM
Serious meltdown over on reservoir dubs.  ;D

The whole world is against them.

For a Kildare person you've an unhealthy obsession with Dublin GAA  ::)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: hoynevalley on February 20, 2022, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 05, 2022, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 05, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
It’s time to split a few of these other counties to give Dublin a chance.

You laugh now. But you won't be laughing in the Summer!

The dubs are finished.

They could say goodbye to using Croke Park every home game if they Division 2 football next year.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2022, 07:29:41 PM
This is a bit undignified
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2022/0225/1283048-high-court-action/

A Dublin GAA club has won a High Court action quashing permission for the development of part of its sports grounds for housing.
Kevin's Hurling and Camogie Club won a case against the development of 161 apartments on Dolphin Park, Crumlin which is owned by Templeogue Synge Street GAA Club.
The two clubs share the pitches and field 44 teams between them.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: KickPass on February 26, 2022, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 29, 2022, 08:23:51 PM
Maybe retrospectively non-Dubs will realize what we were saying about once-in-a-generation talent.

Every county has a once in a generation talent but they don't get a million euros syphoned off for them each year by the corrupt Dub taoiseach....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 26, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Yawn.  That money doesn't go to the intercounty team, as  has been pointed out many times here. 
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: KickPass on February 27, 2022, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 26, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Yawn.  That money doesn't go to the intercounty team, as  has been pointed out many times here.

So because the illegal €1M a year to Dublin GAA  didn't go directly to intercounty players then there was no unfair advantage?  Thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: SouthDublinBro on February 27, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
No problem at all with Dublin struggling for the next few years. Will only serve in the long run to highlight how special the 6 in a row was. Will not be equalled again in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 27, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 27, 2022, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 26, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Yawn.  That money doesn't go to the intercounty team, as  has been pointed out many times here.

So because the illegal €1M a year to Dublin GAA  didn't go directly to intercounty players then there was no unfair advantage?  Thanks for clarifying.

Illegal?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 27, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 27, 2022, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 26, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Yawn.  That money doesn't go to the intercounty team, as  has been pointed out many times here.

So because the illegal €1M a year to Dublin GAA  didn't go directly to intercounty players then there was no unfair advantage?  Thanks for clarifying.

Illegal?

Yes. Illicitly syphoned off by Bertie under the table during the boom
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: mup on February 28, 2022, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 27, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 27, 2022, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 26, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Yawn.  That money doesn't go to the intercounty team, as  has been pointed out many times here.

So because the illegal €1M a year to Dublin GAA  didn't go directly to intercounty players then there was no unfair advantage?  Thanks for clarifying.

Illegal?

Yes. Illicitly syphoned off by Bertie under the table during the boom

I never agreed with Dublin GAA receiving all those funds but it's hardly illegal.

You are not a bit dramatic.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 06:46:15 PM
Quote from: mup on February 28, 2022, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 27, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: KickPass on February 27, 2022, 12:14:42 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 26, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Yawn.  That money doesn't go to the intercounty team, as  has been pointed out many times here.

So because the illegal €1M a year to Dublin GAA  didn't go directly to intercounty players then there was no unfair advantage?  Thanks for clarifying.

Illegal?

Yes. Illicitly syphoned off by Bertie under the table during the boom

I never agreed with Dublin GAA receiving all those funds but it's hardly illegal.

You are not a bit dramatic.

If the €1M a year of taxpayers money was given legally it would have been known about at the time. It wasn't.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on August 10, 2022, 07:28:37 PM
Talk about wasting money on a shower of useless wasters

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/business-of-sport/arid-40936799.html
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 10, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2022, 07:28:37 PM
Talk about wasting money on a shower of useless wasters

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/business-of-sport/arid-40936799.html

I'm a bit confused what this has got to do with this thread?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2022, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2022, 07:28:37 PM
Talk about wasting money on a shower of useless wasters

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/business-of-sport/arid-40936799.html

I'm a bit confused what this has got to do with this thread?

Throwing money at Dublin the last two years didn't help them. Maybe that's the comparison.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2022, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2022, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 10, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2022, 07:28:37 PM
Talk about wasting money on a shower of useless wasters

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/business-of-sport/arid-40936799.html

I'm a bit confused what this has got to do with this thread?

Throwing money at Dublin the last two years didn't help them. Maybe that's the comparison.

2 AI semi finals isn't exactly a failure.

The FAI were always going to.come off the naughty step and get funding restored.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Gmac on November 06, 2022, 04:58:49 PM
Dublin intermediate and junior representatives in Leinster were beaten by Louth and Wexford teams would have thought these grades would be very strong in Dublin?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 06, 2022, 05:18:20 PM
Dont they have a Senior A and B ahead of those?
Are they 33rd and 49th best teams?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on November 06, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
Yeah they do. Am All Ireland Intermediate title would have a better ring to it then a Senior B Championship.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: LeoMc on November 06, 2022, 07:55:48 PM
If they were putting their 17th and 33rd clubs in and sweeping up the Intermediate and Junior titles there would be plenty complaining.
If you look at Kerry at the other extreme where their 9th club is going into Intermediate.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: shark on November 06, 2022, 08:05:34 PM
And they've have every right to do so if they wished. St.Vincent's won their second tier this year. Cuala last year. They'd be hoovering up all-Ireland intermediates.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on November 06, 2022, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on November 06, 2022, 07:55:48 PM
If they were putting their 17th and 33rd clubs in and sweeping up the Intermediate and Junior titles there would be plenty complaining.
If you look at Kerry at the other extreme where their 9th club is going into Intermediate.

I don't think they would be complaining. I remember in 07 Ballinagh played Fingal Ravens in the All Ireland Intermediate Semi final in Navan. It was a good competitive game. They won the All Ireland intermediate after that.

Dublin have changed their stance since then. And I doubt Dublins 33rd club would be walking Junior level. A lot of weak clubs in Dublin after the top 20 or so.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 23, 2022, 09:46:40 PM
Dublin GAA granted planning permission for €6.6million centre of excellence


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41012573.html?fbclid=IwAR3GdRqMS_c-mL5ZCmlpGtLztTazCFI3tIKndfpVHC8WgLXq8oLhx4rOFc4 (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41012573.html?fbclid=IwAR3GdRqMS_c-mL5ZCmlpGtLztTazCFI3tIKndfpVHC8WgLXq8oLhx4rOFc4)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
I hope I live to see the day Ros CB will be applying for planning for a Centre! where teams might be able to train.....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2022, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2022, 09:46:40 PM
Dublin GAA granted planning permission for €6.6million centre of excellence


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41012573.html?fbclid=IwAR3GdRqMS_c-mL5ZCmlpGtLztTazCFI3tIKndfpVHC8WgLXq8oLhx4rOFc4 (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41012573.html?fbclid=IwAR3GdRqMS_c-mL5ZCmlpGtLztTazCFI3tIKndfpVHC8WgLXq8oLhx4rOFc4)

To match the cluster in the Spawell they are building.

How did we survive without these clusters?

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2022, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
I hope I live to see the day Ros CB will be applying for planning for a Centre! where teams might be able to train.....

Building two at the same time is largesse we don't need.  Remember there is also Abbotstown

Hollystown GC is at least closed. The Spawell has bars, restaurant, golf, astro, tennis and a load of smaller business like hairdressers. All will be evicted and at leat 100 jobs gone. For a third cluster.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 12:58:57 PM
If only they'd sit on their hands whinging the various Dublin Councils would give them loads of free stuff....
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2022, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 12:58:57 PM
If only they'd sit on their hands whinging the various Dublin Councils would give them loads of free stuff....

Not sure I follow, but both NAMA sales to the DCB for our new 'clusters' were, ahem, intersting.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 25, 2022, 11:07:38 PM
Confirmed: Galway become first GAA county to go over €2m in team spending for one season


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: armaghniac on November 25, 2022, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2022, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
I hope I live to see the day Ros CB will be applying for planning for a Centre! where teams might be able to train.....

Building two at the same time is largesse we don't need.  Remember there is also Abbotstown

Hollystown GC is at least closed. The Spawell has bars, restaurant, golf, astro, tennis and a load of smaller business like hairdressers. All will be evicted and at leat 100 jobs gone. For a third cluster.

Jobs gone is bollix. People get their hair cut, if not in one place than somewhere else. Likewise with drinking.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 27, 2022, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 25, 2022, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2022, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2022, 10:13:09 AM
I hope I live to see the day Ros CB will be applying for planning for a Centre! where teams might be able to train.....

Building two at the same time is largesse we don't need.  Remember there is also Abbotstown

Hollystown GC is at least closed. The Spawell has bars, restaurant, golf, astro, tennis and a load of smaller business like hairdressers. All will be evicted and at leat 100 jobs gone. For a third cluster.

Jobs gone is bollix. People get their hair cut, if not in one place than somewhere else. Likewise with drinking.

That attitude will go down very well with the locals who are losing amenities
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: tonto1888 on November 27, 2022, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2022, 11:07:38 PM
Confirmed: Galway become first GAA county to go over €2m in team spending for one season


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html)

what all would add up to that?
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 28, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2022, 11:07:38 PM
Confirmed: Galway become first GAA county to go over €2m in team spending for one season


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html)

850k a team? There are professional soccer clubs spending less. I would love to see that spending breakdown.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 27, 2022, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2022, 11:07:38 PM
Confirmed: Galway become first GAA county to go over €2m in team spending for one season


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html)

what all would add up to that?
Joyce and his team? Few nights in Dublin hotels? Wouldn't be long adding up but 2 million is some coin
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on November 29, 2022, 11:15:28 AM
They have Hurley stuff as well which they're quite good at ;)
And they don't get 90% of their games at home.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Blowitupref on November 29, 2022, 03:19:49 PM
Would be huge travelling expenses for all of the Connacht counties with the majority of their players living, working or studying in Dublin or elsewhere.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on November 29, 2022, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 27, 2022, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2022, 11:07:38 PM
Confirmed: Galway become first GAA county to go over €2m in team spending for one season


https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41014745.html)

what all would add up to that?
Joyce and his team? Few nights in Dublin hotels? Wouldn't be long adding up but 2 million is some coin

Finn Harps have that. And they pay their players
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: ck on November 29, 2022, 05:37:56 PM
Galway stay in Hotels pre home games and away. Seems excessive but no expense spared it seems.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 29, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
Galway Minor footballers won the AI Minor football title.

Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: From the Bunker on November 29, 2022, 07:32:19 PM
Supermac's and Galway GAA have agreed a  new five year sponsorship deal.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FivXmb7WIAAR4G_?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: johnnycool on November 30, 2022, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 29, 2022, 07:32:19 PM
Supermac's and Galway GAA have agreed a  new five year sponsorship deal.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FivXmb7WIAAR4G_?format=jpg&name=small)

Henry's car has been modified to run on used chip pan oil.
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on December 05, 2022, 03:13:08 PM
Has anybody tuppence for the babby?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/dublin-gaa-chief-john-costello-28657921
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Rossfan on December 05, 2022, 06:51:02 PM
Go out and fundraise like the other 31 Counties!!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: Tubberman on December 05, 2022, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 05, 2022, 06:51:02 PM
Go out and fundraise like the other 31 Counties!!

They wouldn't lower themselves to that kind of thing!
Title: Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
Post by: rodney trotter on November 17, 2023, 01:43:19 PM
A lot of development in the pipeline

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-eye-new-projects-across-the-capital-to-aid-clubs-feeling-the-squeeze-on-pitch-access/a459869009.html