Mayo v Dublin - AISF - Saturday 5pm

[thewobbler]

I'd casually estimate that the Dublin team which finished on Sunday had the highest average age of any championship team in living memory.

There's a wrestling match on the way and there will be sore bones across Mayo and Dublin when they wake Sunday.

[moysider]

It's all blather folks.

Reminds me of the early days of the back door when everyone was giving off about how the provincial champions were at a disadvantage due to a lack of competitive action, then a year later, they enjoy too strong an advantage due to the additional rest they were getting.

It's like nobody can accept that sometimes the only thing that beats you is a better team.

Reality dose: there are no advantages here for either side. Another week might have helped with Mayo injuries, but then again they might have lost a couple of players to training injuries.

Meanwhile for all their 3 weeks of tapering, Jim Gavin only found out at 6pm I'm Sunday when his next match was. He could not have used the previous 2 weeks of training in prep for Mayo as he'd no idea who it was against.

But I'll tell you something. He made sure his hardened old warriors got plenty of game time on Sunday. He wouldn't have done that had Donegal won. He knows this one is going to be a physical battle and his young fellas might not have it in them yet. And he's only got 6 days to work out which way to throw that dice.

Lol.
One week of tapering. The other 2 were proper training.
Run out against Tyrone showed that most of his old warriors are through and he wont have to explain away why we wont be seeing them again. They are shot mostly but he doesn't need them. I'd love to see a Dublin team with Bernard, O Carroll and McManamon starting. Can they play Bastic still too? Please!
You have a nice romantic version of things there wobbler and I wish I could concur. Really I do. The reality is though science is going to win out.

[moysider]

I'd casually estimate that the Dublin team which finished on Sunday had the highest average age of any championship team in living memory.

There's a wrestling match on the way and there will be sore bones across Mayo and Dublin when they wake Sunday.

Not sure about that but that's what I'm talking about. Fellas hanging around for the party. 

[Never beat the deeler]

I'd casually estimate that the Dublin team which finished on Sunday had the highest average age of any championship team in living memory.

There's a wrestling match on the way and there will be sore bones across Mayo and Dublin when they wake Sunday.

The Mayo team had a higher average age the previous day

I make the Dublin finishing team to be around 26.5 (had to guess a couple of ages based on year played U-20)

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-mayo-may-be-washed-away-by-blue-wave-1.3977679

Kevin McStay: Mayo may be washed away by blue wave

Fully firing Dublin at Croke Park looks too tough an assignment for Horan's side


And then there were four. Kerry-Tyrone has its own recent history and edge and I am sure it will produce a worthy finalist on Sunday. But I think it is fair to say that the eyes of the country will be on the Saturday night live match. Dublin and Mayo: one more time.

One assumes it will be a full house in Croke Park. This rivalry has been bubbling for most of the decade. In a funny way, it reminds me of the old snooker wars between Jimmy White and Steve Davis. White was erratic, lovable, sometimes brilliant and sometimes left you hiding behind the sofa. So it is with Mayo. White was the people's darling.

Against that, you had Davis – the cool exterior, amazing consistency and perfect technique. That has been the story of Dublin. They love the heightened pressure of these knockout days. They have their process and that has produced the titles.

Jimmy White was always hoping that things would go right. He played on emotion. So do Mayo and they are hoping for the bounce of the ball, the brilliant goal out of the blue, the rush of blood comeback.

I was chatting with Aidan O'Rourke, the former Armagh player, on Saturday and he was saying he had become exasperated by Mayo. Aidan is an All-Ireland champion, he has his medal. He played in two All-Irelands and Armagh won their first. That Armagh team got it done – against Kerry. And that is the hard cold quality you need. So Aidan probably began to wonder, well, how many chances does a team deserve? But now he is starting to fall for Mayo all over again.
Mayo missed about 1-8 in the first half. The game should have been over and done with at the break
In a one-off game like they played against Donegal, you sense this huge character and will and drive. And they kind of draw you in. They cast a kind of spell on the public. You end up rooting for them. The form line was all about Donegal but when it was put to me, without letting my Mayo blood get in the way, I still felt it was a huge chance for James Horan's side. Because you can't draw a line with Mayo; you know they will be unreasonably cussed.


On logic, they should not have been in that game. But I was down in Mayo for a few days during the week. The Castlecourt was jammed for one of Colm Parkinson's road show gigs. Everyone was into the pre-match talk and wearing their colours and showing loads of belief.

The attitude was: we are at home in an All-Ireland quarter final, basically, and we have a good track record. I met a guy on Thursday who told me he wasn't worried about Donegal but he was very concerned about Dublin. I found the breeziness hilarious. Fair play to him. It didn't occur to him that his team could be beaten.

Recurring theme

And that belief was well founded. I reckon Mayo missed about 1-8 in the first half. The game should have been over and done with at the break. The difficulty for Mayo is that those were relatively easy chances. They were not pot shots. And this is a recurring theme with this side. If they don't tidy this issue up, it will catch up with them next Saturday night. They were blessed that Donegal replicated the wastefulness.

I felt very sorry for Donegal, even before the game. The minute I heard about the Eoghan Bán Gallagher injury, I felt that the summer wouldn't work out for them. For the second championship in a row, they have suffered a major injury. They are talented but the talent is not that deep.

They are an emerging team but so much is contingent on Michael Murphy being able to maintain his form for the next few years. They are Ulster champions for the last two years and haven't reached an All-Ireland semi-final. They had their destiny in their own hands on both occasions.

Mayo's passionate army of supporters, young and old, will once again be heading to Croke Park with hope in their hearts. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
Mayo's passionate army of supporters, young and old, will once again be heading to Croke Park with hope in their hearts. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
Tyrone at home and Mayo away: these are hard, hard lessons. They are a good team and I felt they had developed beyond Michael but when the chips were down on Saturday night, it fell to him to prop the others up again. They had the breeze and momentum and missed those chances in the second half when they could have regained the lead. I am not convinced they deserved to be back that close but, once again, Mayo left the door open for their opponents.

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Gavin and Harte in no mood to give anything away at Healy Park

The main reason for Mayo's victory was this. In military terms, Mayo spent a long time identifying how they would destabilise Donegal's centre of gravity.

During the week, everyone knew that Murphy, Patrick McBrearty and Ryan McHugh were the men they had to stop. But Horan still had to devise a plan and then go and execute it. Putting Chris Barrett on McBrearty and holding him to 0-2 was as good a return as they could have asked for.

Paddy Durcan keeping Ryan McHugh under wraps worked perfectly. He welded himself to the Donegal playmaker but still managed to break forward to get his three points.

Now, I am not as convinced that Lee Keegan on Michael Murphy was the thundering success that some people believe. Murphy, I felt, was heroic on Saturday night. One thing keeps coming back to me. He was tearing along under the stand with the ball and collecting return passes at speed and he moved with a pace and intensity I didn't even know he had. He was like a man possessed. The thing that stands out was actually a miss. He spun on his left and connected beautifully on a hugely important point attempt. It missed by millimetres – I was right behind the shot so had a perfect view.


Massive loss
It goes down as a wide but trust me, it was a sublime bit of skill. After he scored his penalty, he gave Lee Keegan a ferocious and entirely fair belt. He shook him. He took the game to Mayo in those moments. Nobody else on that Donegal team got to Murphy's level. And that may be why they aren't reaching the last four.

The good news for Mayo is that they have improved as the season has gone on. But by how much? They weren't brilliant on Saturday night. Rather, they were functional. They do what they do so well – hugely physical and a massive tackle count. It would seem as if Jason Doherty is badly injured and, if so, he will be a massive loss. The game has to have taken a physical toll. I know they are happy and excited now. But it was a gruelling game.

Their wastefulness and the modesty of their scoring totals do not augur well. They are still too dependent on defenders for scores. On the positive side, Matthew Ruane got a gallop and he looked comfortable. For 55 minutes, Aidan O'Shea was back to his very best. And I don't think they will fear Dublin because it's just not their nature to fear any team. They will tear into it.

What happened in Omagh on Sunday was just time that we will never get back. It was outrageous. I don't blame either team or manager; they were trying to maximise their advantage in planning ahead. The official teams submitted were just nonsense. A lot of people paid a fiver for a programme which contained fantasy teams. It shouldn't have been like this.

Brian Fenton in action against Mayo's Lee Keegan, Tom Parsons and Diarmuid O'Connor. Will Mayo put Keegan on Dublin's key man to try and curb his influence? Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
Brian Fenton in action against Mayo's Lee Keegan, Tom Parsons and Diarmuid O'Connor. Will Mayo put Keegan on Dublin's key man to try and curb his influence? Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
All four games should have taken place at the same time. And so it was a glorified challenge match. It was a real wallop to the integrity of the Super 8s concept. We ended up with a reserve game of football. Nothing useful could be mined from that game.

It was Dublin's sixth game of the championship. Now they can see the summit. They are two games out from separating themselves from every football team in GAA history. Funny, that was as close as anyone got to Dublin this year. They have beaten teams by 26, 18 and 9 points. Sunday was as close as any team has come to them!

It has been a magnificent effort that has allowed them to stroll within two games of destiny. A huge amount of work and planning has gone into this. They are right now where Kerry were in 1982 against Offaly. As I see it, all other contenders have fallen back. Kerry and Tyrone have not scaled the heights. Mayo are Mayo. Donegal are out.

Meanwhile, Diarmuid Connolly is back and having the time of his life, despite the black card he was issued in Omagh. There were nine black cards this weekend, incidentally and in my view, it has become incredibly difficult to referee such fouls. I feel the word "deliberate" has to come out of the rule. We have a huge weekend ahead of us and the black card may well be a significant issue.

Evan Comerford was outstanding. Sean Bugler and Cormac Costello and Bernard Brogan did well. All of these guys want to be in the 26. Their core players were relaxing at home. Fatigue is not an issue.

What are their weaknesses? The standard reservation is that they are not great under the high ball. Well, who is? It has always been an issue for teams. Wasn't it a high ball that unseated Kerry in 1982? I think this is grasping at straws. Mayo; Kerry; Tyrone: none of these teams are great under the high ball.


Rude health
To be frank, I do not see any obvious weakness in Dublin. All I see is magnificent athleticism, a team approach, huge confidence allied to energy and humility. The hype will come into the city now but I imagine they will enjoy that. They have no injury worries. So every aspect has been very carefully and expertly managed to bring them to the pinnacle of the season in seriously rude health.

The clock is ticking for Mayo. What is Dublin's centre of gravity? Who do you go after if you want to destabilise them? When I thought about it, I wrote down Stephen Cluxton and Brian Fenton. That's about it.

The idea of Mayo beating Dublin and then either Kerry or Tyrone is pushing the realms of possibility to a place I don't think Mayo can reach
Cluxton has been tried before. He has been rumbled slightly but not to any devastating effect. Has anyone ever targeted Fenton and tried to dislodge him from that smooth, Rolls Royce midfield playmaking game of his? I think he is more important than James McCarthy now because more scores come from him.

What about Lee Keegan on Fenton? Could that provoke some sort of chaos that might, just might, unsettle Dublin enough to allow Mayo to get their claws into them?

I am not sure.

The idea of Mayo beating Dublin and then either Kerry or Tyrone is pushing the realms of possibility to a place I don't think Mayo can reach. It pains me to come to that conclusion and hopefully they can confound us yet again.

Pace will be a deciding factor. Mayo are an older team now than when they last met Dublin. It would appear as if this is the greatest team of all time they are playing. Dublin at full force in Croke Park is a different class and I think this is beyond Mayo.

It is fitting that they get to have one more shot in Croke Park and to at least stand in front of this blue wave. But that doesn't mean they won't get washed away.

[Kurtz]

I'll go with the bookies on this one

Dublin are a totally different side from two years ago

[Mayo4Sam14]

I'll go with the bookies on this one

Dublin are a totally different side from two years ago

Not as good as they were in 2017 imo

[rosnarun]

an hour and a half queue on tickets.ie. @ €50 ahead
this is why All Dublin games must be played in Croker park always and ever

[Kurtz]

an hour and a half queue on tickets.ie. @ €50 ahead
this is why All Dublin games must be played in Croker park always and ever

Had no problem getting them this morning in Centra
I was expecting a queue

[Kurtz]

I'll go with the bookies on this one

Dublin are a totally different side from two years ago

Not as good as they were in 2017 imo

2017 they were still relying on Paul Flynn, Paddy Andrews, O'Gara and Brogan
I also think Con O Calaghan is a better player now

[dublin7]

I'll go with the bookies on this one

Dublin are a totally different side from two years ago

Not as good as they were in 2017 imo

Dubs bench isn't as strong, but the 1st 15 is actually stronger. Fenton, Mannion, Kilkenny, O'Callaghan for example are all better players now than 2 years ago.

[rosnarun]

an hour and a half queue on tickets.ie. @ €50 ahead
this is why All Dublin games must be played in Croker park always and ever

Had no problem getting them this morning in Centra
I was expecting a queue

where was that? line out the door for them in Tullamore

[TheGreatest]

Rock a defo starter imo.

It's a shame Mayo are f**ked up with injury and the scheduling or this could have got very interesting indeed.

Doherty's done his cruciate apparently. We get one soldier back and we lose another. Doherty was motm until the injury. Darren Coen's drop in form is like losing another.

Dublin has had a 3 week lead up into this with a useful kickabout v Tyrone along the way.
We went to the bottom of the well again to beat Donegal. It's a mission impossible to recover from that both mentally and physically. The gobshites who decided this timetable of events must never have competed in any sport at any level.

Mayo's old guard look in rude good health though which makes the injuries to younger guns so bloody frustrating.
Also frustrating is that some of the Dublin old guard look through to me. Lads that damaged Mayo and others for years. I'm not convinced that some of the Dublin newer players are as good or as tried and tested as the Bernard Brogans etc.
Unfortunately I dont think we are healthy enough to push them enough to crack them.

Thats a real shame about Doherty, quality player.

A few injuries for Mayo, might be a step too far, this year.

[Kurtz]

an hour and a half queue on tickets.ie. @ €50 ahead
this is why All Dublin games must be played in Croker park always and ever

Had no problem getting them this morning in Centra
I was expecting a queue

where was that? line out the door for them in Tullamore

Ballinteer Centra on Ballinteer Road 
would have been the old village, before they developed the whole area around Dundrum.
I dont think many people know about it because its on the old Dundrum road

[yellowcard]

Dublin are probably playing at a similar level or at least close to what they were a few years ago. I don't think Mayo have shown signs of being anywhere close to the level of pre 2017. They have somehow ended up in a semi final however and are massive underdogs and I can see them producing another big performance again. The reality is that they will need an awful lot more possession than the Dubs to stand a chance in this match since they are nowhere near as efficient up front. Mayo need to stay in the game for as long as possible and if they are still within 3 points with 10 minutes to go then maybe they have a chance. Sadly I just don't see it happening based on the evidence of the championship to date although I think they will put it up to the Dubs physically as only they can.