Chaging the 14 Amendnent.

Started by Denn Forever, October 31, 2018, 05:20:40 PM

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Denn Forever

I see the President and Vice president want to change the 14th amendment i.e. if you are born in the USA, ypu are an American citizen.  Would this open attempts to change the 2nd amendment.  Would this affect any posters over in America?
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Puckoon

It's a bit more than just that. The president CAN'T change the 14th amendment. President in being wrong about something shocker.

He's just rallying for the election next week as he knows he can't change the moderate voters, so he is doubling down on the lunatics who want to make America White again.

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Quote from: Puckoon on October 31, 2018, 05:25:09 PM
It's a bit more than just that. The president CAN'T change the 14th amendment. President in being wrong about something shocker.

He's just rallying for the election next week as he knows he can't change the moderate voters, so he is doubling down on the lunatics who want to make America White again.

While I think you're right about why Trump is saying this, I wouldn't be as confident as you as to whether he can do it or not.  He can't change the amendment, without a 2/3 majority of states agreeing to it, which won't happen.  But he could argue that protection of the 14th only applies to those "subject to the jurisdiction of" the US, and he could argue that kids born to undocumented parents are not thus subject.  Whether such a move would be constitutional or not would then be up to the Supreme Court to decide.

Shamrock Shore

We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Syferus

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Were you old enough to vote?

Syferus

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Were you old enough to vote?

Were you even eligible to vote?

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Were you old enough to vote?

Were you even eligible to vote?

No seeing as I lived in a different country. What of it?

Syferus

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 07:51:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Were you old enough to vote?

Were you even eligible to vote?

No seeing as I lived in a different country. What of it?

Well, then.

ziggysego

Quote from: Denn Forever on October 31, 2018, 05:20:40 PM
I see the President and Vice president want to change the 14th amendment i.e. if you are born in the USA, ypu are an American citizen.  Would this open attempts to change the 2nd amendment.  Would this affect any posters over in America?

Why would Michael D. Higgins want to do that?
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Shamrock Shore

Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Syf

Are you serious or just being a contrarian? How you or I voted individually is immaterial. Over 79% voted to scrap the automatic right of citizenship to babbies born here so what's your point? Are you going to challenge every referendum vote cos it wasn't the way you voted? Do you, like De Valera, look into your heart to see what the Irish people want?

Farrandeelin

Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Were you old enough to vote?

Were you even eligible to vote?

Avoiding the answer by questioning.  ::)
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brokencrossbar1

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2018, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 31, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on October 31, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
We should be careful about throwing stones here as we voted to remove this right to Irish born babbies in 2005.

Who is this 'we'?

I certainly didn't.

Were you old enough to vote?

Were you even eligible to vote?

Avoiding the answer by questioning.  ::)

This is his general mode of argument. I'm just having a a bit of craic

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