The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Seamus]

What violence?

Antifa counter protests the neo-Nazis and alt-right and fights break out.

A deranged half-wit tried to massacre a GOP contingent playing baseball, but unless you can point to a politician using apocalyptic language and demonization in the manner of Trump inciting his actions, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove.

There is no "two sides of the same coin" argument here.

Once again, you appear desperate to deflect from the appalling lies, behaviour and rhetoric of a man you profess to hate.

Ehhhh......the violence perpetrated on Trump supporters outside several rallies in the run up to the election

So the Bernie supporter is a deranged halfwit???

I think last weeks bomber could be described in similar terms but that wouldn't suit the narrative

So you're seriously saying that the only people Antifa attack are the alt right?

I take it you didn't see this video then

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQZQaqbWNVI

1. I never claimed the pipe bomber wasn't likely someone with mental issues. I don't think I've commented on him personally at all.

2. What does that link you posted prove? Other accounts of the Portland "near riot" suggest that the protestors thought the guy might have deliberately driven into their protest (it would a lot more sense for the "near rioter" shouting for someone to get his number plate for those reasons rather than, as the host snidely reckoned, so that they could find his home address).

But that's beside the point. I never said that leftists don't get involved in violence. Clearly the antifa crowd are bent on meeting the neo-Nazi/alt-right crowd in a fight. And I'm sure plenty of protests will attract people who are interested in the scuffle/thrill of the fight as well as the cause.

The issue is the likes of Trump using lies and fear mongering to rile up his base and blatantly condoning and encouraging violence. Your link (and Seamus's ludicrous ones) also raise the issue of Democratic politicians telling their supporters to get in the face of GOP politicians when they see them out and about. Of course, the context for Maxine Waters (which these links don't give) was the utter disgrace that was the Trump administration tearing toddlers away from their parents at the border as well as, later, the fact that they needed to be basically brow-beaten into even requesting the most basic of investigations into the Blasey Ford allegations.
Personally, I wouldn't be one to shout at a politician in a restaurant, but the incidents with Huckabee-Sanders, Nielson and Flake were under extraordinary circumstances and I have no issue with a politician getting yelled at for issue like that, as long as there is no violence. The GOP was just fine with this type of loud, vocal, protest back in 2010 when they were crying about the deficit (ironic, isn't it?) and the government's filthy socialist hands getting on their Medicare.

Whatever suits your ideology it seems. The stronger your ideology the more you're predisposed to only seek facts that bolster it and ignore anything that differs. Proper ideology forms only after a thoughtful examination of the facts, and be somewhat malleable as you encounter new facts. For the majority once an authoritative figure leaves the first impression on one's brain that's the end of the story. Making circumstances fitting one's theory is a danger to the truth. I would still be a lefty if I did not question that deep routed Democratic Party ideology and start thinking for myself. You should consider doing likewise. Incidentally the Neocons are as equally dangerous to the US and the world as a whole as those crazy Democrats.

[Seamus]

Justice John Roberts indeed.

Michael T McKibben and Leader Technologies were the real inventors of Social Networking,
Leader hired Attorney James C Chandler and on his advice the invention was reduced to practice before he would file the patent. By doing so Chandler proceeded to steal the patent and give it to Bill Gates #2, Mark Zuckerberg, thus the world was introduced to Facebook. Crooked Chandler was also instrumental in the rise of Barack Obama.

Eventually Leader and Facebook went to court. By now several judges held substantial Facebook financial interests (along with politicians) and attorney conflicts.

Enter Chief Justice John Roberts who rallied behind Facebook without disclosing his holdings of Facebook financial interests and his relationship to Facebook's attorneys. Leader Technologies did not stand a chance. Hundreds of billions of USD were stolen.

Full story of Michael McKibben, Leader Technologies and the theft here:

http://www.fbcoverup.com/docs/library/Michael-T-McKibben-AFI-backgrounder.html

[seafoid]

I did a bit of reading over the weekend about how the GOP and Fox collude to create their
alternative reality of caravans and Kavanaughs to scare the bejaysus out of red State poor and middle class, totally polarise the country , stop any sort of solutions emerging, get the votes and then implement the policy to shaft the same voters. It is very Scooby Do.
The US is a mess.

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Andrew Gillum, an African American candidate for governor in Florida, was targeted by a robocall that says in a demeaning minstrel accent: "Well, hello there. I is the negro Andrew Gillum and I'll be askin' you to make me governor of this here state of Florida." His Republican opponent, Ron DeSantis, previously urged voters not to "monkey this up". Gillum said during a debate: "I'm not calling Mr DeSantis a racist – I'm simply saying the racists believe he's a racist."

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/in-the-news/chris-farrell-migrant-caravan-consists-of-mostly-males/

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
"A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News,". It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country. Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand!

https://crooked.com/articles/midterms-2016-all-over-again/

Here's some information that might come as a surprise to you if you're a casual news consumer weighing your options ahead of the midterms:
   •   Central American migrants caravanning through Mexico are not a national security threat to the United States.
   •   The caravan is not filled with criminals and "Middle Easterners."
   •   Democrats had nothing to do with the formation of the caravan.
   •   Democrats do not want the caravaners to cross the southern border undetected and disappear into the United States.
   •   People in California are not rioting about sanctuary cities, on either side of the issue.
   •   Democrats do not want to give luxury automobiles to Central American migrants or unauthorized immigrants or anyone else.
   •   Illegal immigration and crime are at near-historic lows.
   •   There is no Republican plan to cut middle-income taxes, before the election or after.
   •   Democrats have no plan to destroy Medicare.
   •   There is no $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia.
   •   Our arms trade with Saudi Arabia does not, and will not, generate anywhere close to a million jobs.
Republicans' campaign strategy in part entails convincing as many people as possible that the opposite of each of these bullet points is true, and judging by the at-times credulous way political media has covered their claims, they are surely having some success.
But the larger purpose of all the disinformation—about Democrats paying Muslim caravaners to infiltrate the country, and Republicans advancing a middle-class tax cut plan that doesn't exist—is to pervade the news environment with storylines that, beyond the slander and lies, aren't particularly relevant to next month's vote. And to that end, it has been a stunning success.
Credulous or critical, the news is absolutely saturated with coverage of these issues. There have been plenty of stories debunking President Trump's claims about the composition of the caravan, and the risk it poses to the United States. If you burrow into the details, you'll probably learn that Trump has fabricated a Republican middle-income tax cut plan from whole cloth, because the corporate tax cut he actually signed is terribly unpopular. But every column inch and minute of airtime spent scrutinizing fiction is lost forever and does nothing to actually inform people about the true stakes of the coming midterms.

Before 2016, the media's peculiar obsessions convinced millions of people that the choice in 2016 was between two comparably corrupt and dishonest politicians, one who had suspicious, secret emails, and another who wanted to toughen immigration laws. The fact that Trump would try to gut environmental and financial regulation, kick millions of people off their health plans, funnel the "savings" to the rich and corporations, and alter the course of American jurisprudence for a generation went almost completely uncommented on in the mainstream press, even though it was written into his agenda.




Steve Schmidt

@SteveSchmidtSES

1.Gingrich looked into the camera and said the election was about two things, " Kavanaugh and the Caravan" All day, every day, Fox News and the Trump propaganda industry spews forth an unrelenting river of conspiracy theories, venom and lunacy and like a precision guided munition
2 It finds its intended targets. Among them are the feeble minded, sick and racist. It's singular purpose is incitement and it is working. A migration of poor and desperate human souls has been turned into an invading army; a Panzer division about to crash through

3. America's southern border. The intent is as malignant as it is purposeful. There is only one goal and that is to create a frenzy of craziness before an election where the American people will have their first opportunity to repudiate the vile and filthy regime led by Trump.

4. Now we see the terrible cost of Trumpism. The lies, conspiracy theories, coded racist and anti Semitic language, intimations of violence and declarations that opponents are enemies of the state and people have activated the evil people who attempted the largest assassination
5. Plot  in American history and gunned down 11 Americans at a Temple in Pittsburgh. They have been radicalized by the contagious poison of an American President and his Fellow travelers.  The hour of pretending there is no causation between the rhetoric and the violence is over
The stated motives of these Terrorists is a recitation of the message flowing like sewage from the White House, Fox News, Judicial Watch, Mark Levine, Limbaugh and Gingrich.  It is not accidental and it is not coincidental. It is the deadly and inevitable consequence of Trump

In the right-wing fever swamps, where the president's every word is worshipped, commenters began amplifying Trump's exhortations with new details.

Trump is reportedly aware that his claims about the caravan are false. An administration official told the Daily Beast simply, "it doesn't matter if it's 100 percent accurate ... this is the play." The "play" was to demonize vulnerable people with falsehoods in order to frighten Trump's base to the polls.

Ordinarily, a politician cannot be held responsible for the actions of a deranged follower. But ordinarily, politicians don't praise supporters who have mercilessly beaten a Latino man, as "very passionate." Ordinarily, they don't offer to pay supporters' legal bills if they assault protesters on the other side. They don't praise acts of violence against the media. They don't defend Nazi rioters as "fine people." They don't justify sending bombs to their critics by blaming the media for airing criticism. Ordinarily, there is no historic surge in anti-Semitism, much of it targeted at Jewish critics, coinciding with a politician's rise. And ordinarily, presidents do not blatantly exploit their authority in an effort to terrify white Americans into voting for their party. For the past few decades, most American politicians, Republican and Democrat alike, have taken care not to urge their supporters to take matters into their own hands. Trump did everything he could to fan the flames, and nothing to restrain those who might take him at his word.

Bill Kristol

@BillKristol

This repulsive and dangerous filth is bring spewed courtesy of a publicly owned corporation. Will no one on the board, in management, or in a position of influence at Fox speak up? Will no one act? Or is Fox perfectly happy to give bigotry sanction and violence its assistance?

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/fox-friends-hosts-give-guest-free-rein-dismiss-terrorist-mail-bombs-left-wing-conspiracy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

former FBI counterterrorism expert appeared Friday morning on "Fox & Friends" to peddle conspiracy theories about mail bombs sent to President Donald Trump's critics.
Suspicious packages intended for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, CNN and other Trump foes were discovered this week, and former FBI agent Chad Jenkins said the fact that no one has been injured should be considered suspicious.
"Well, it's just one, zero-for-10 on any of these devices going off?" Jenkins told Fox News. "We still have not gotten concrete information from law enforcement whether any of these devices actually were rigged, completely ready to go."
Jenkins argued that left only two possibilities.
"One, we have the worst right-wing bomb maker in history," he said, "or we have a false flag operation, where it's a left-wing type of operation to create hysteria and to play on the hearts and minds of those independents and undecideds come the midterm."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/28/media/lou-dobbs-fox-news-guest/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Edward Luce

@EdwardGLuce
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The most effective thing Americans can do is boycott companies that advertise on Fox. They bankroll the poison that goes from the studio into Trump's head. The second is vote.

Jennifer Rubin

@JRubinBlogger
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Fox is a menace, a purveyor of conspiracy and anti-immig hate. It's where rants against Soros are commonplace and the "nationalist" pres is defended. If you're a conserv pundit what the hell are you doing on their shows? If you're an advertiser why have products assoc with Fox?
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Joe Lockhart

@joelockhart
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As a country we have to come to grips that a powerful corporation, Fox News, is responsible for the systematic spread of racial and religious bigotry.  the president and his partners at Fox everyday spread bizarre conspiracies designed to  incite Americans.  It's working.

Alex Kotch



@alexkotch
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@alexkotch
So let's review here:

—Thursday: Fox Business airs interview with ghoul who claims Soros is behind the migrant caravan
—Saturday morning: Neo-Nazi massacres 11+ Jews, his social media posts show he's claimed Jews funded caravan
—Saturday night: Fox re-airs the interview
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409/video/1


Alex Kotch



@alexkotch

Guy is...seriously..."Director of Investigations."

Note that his org Judicial Watch spent tens of millions to get Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on SCOTUS. Great folks over there

https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409/video/1

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/oct/27/megyn-kelly-blackface-comments-nbc-show-cancelled-what-happened

Given the timing of the cancellation of Megyn Kelly's NBC show, just a few days after she defended blackface Halloween costumes on air, it will be easy for opponents of political correctness to rally against liberal media overreach, outrage culture and corporate censure. Just as easy, perhaps, as it should've been for NBC to see how ill-fated hiring Kelly was in the first place.

Megyn Kelly's NBC show cancelled after blackface controversy
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For $69m over three years, the folks at 30 Rock believed they could remake a former Fox News firebrand in their image, moving her from night to morning, from right to center, from hard news to soft. But Kelly's blackface comments, which earned rebuke from colleagues and network chairman Andy Lack, were merely the last straw.

Trump has branded NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC as enemies of the people, while redirecting his supporters to Fox News, which he exempts from the "mainstream" even though it's the country's most-watched news network.
For the president, such division is politically expedient. But conservatives in Hollywood and the news media, like Kelly and Greta Van Susteren, whose six-month stint at MSNBC also bombed, find themselves in limbo, forced to pull the wool over the eyes of left and centrist audiences or return to rightwing media, where full-throated devotion to Trump has become a prerequisite.

Kelly was supposed to help NBC appeal to Americans on the left and the right, but all she did was perpetuate the dangerous ignorance and anxiety many white Americans feel in an increasingly diverse America. This misguided rhetoric only drives us further apart, so it only makes sense for Kelly and NBC to part ways too.

[Eamonnca1]

[seafoid]

Surely Fox has something to do with that. Pro NRA and conspiracy theorising with no obligation to tell
the truth (other than the honourable Shep Smith). Believe what you want?

Migrants bring disease
https://mobile.twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1057061701865144320/video/1


Conway on late night comedians

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1056888156694499328/video/1

Caravan terrorists
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/in-the-news/chris-farrell-migrant-caravan-consists-of-mostly-males/

Ingraham caravan

https://youtu.be/mekxrYxEvEA

[J70]

A white guy killed two black people in Kentucky last week after trying to target a black church.

But there's been little talk about it due to him basically being upstaged by the pipe bomber and the Pittsburgh lowlife.

But anyway.... time to get back to the caravan... and Democratic mobs...

[screenexile]

Special Counsel has given detail to the FBI about women being offered money to make false claims about Robert Mueller . . .

Is it Soros again Seamus??!! Surely he's the only one who does this kind of thing

[Eamonnca1]

Not many immigrants or muslims in this line-up:

[Oraisteach]

Effective gallery, Eamonn

[seafoid]

This is a cracking video.Neo confederate good ol boy Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is interrupted by a Methodist quoting Scripture

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1056957779783663617/video/1

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Not many immigrants or muslims in this line-up:

We need to have an immediate ban on white males entering the country, and a dusk curfew on white males, until we figure this thing out.

[Gmac]

Not many immigrants or muslims in this line-up:

so what ? Country should just open up the borders to who ever wants to come here because of this list of whack jobs

[omaghjoe]

Was the 2nd most deadliest left off for any good reason Eamon?

While all were horrific and tragic in their own way Lanza and Sandy Hook for me makes me feel particularly bad

[Seamus]

President Trump badly needs to repeal H.R 5736. The Smith Mundt Act was amended in 2012 in order to give legal cover to main stream media when they propagandize the people and that is 95% of the time. So the government is admitting we are being lied to.

Good take on it here by former Clinton political consultant Naomi Wolf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=K7LmxyZXMw0

Some good comments also, a far cry from the gibberish being spewed here.

[omochain]

Good man Seamus... you have been really restrained lately.... no mention of Mueller harassing women.