East wall #Irelandisfull

[armaghniac]

So from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.

There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.

Really? 7 billion who might want to come?

OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?

70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand

Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.

70 million don't want to come here. And just so you know, plenty of EU people who come here make up stories about why they want to come

EU people don't have to explain themselves, so that is irrelevant.
As I asked earlier, as you stating that nobody in poor countries wish to move to rich countries?

[tonto1888]

So from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.

There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.

Really? 7 billion who might want to come?

OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?

70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand

Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.

70 million don't want to come here. And just so you know, plenty of EU people who come here make up stories about why they want to come

EU people don't have to explain themselves, so that is irrelevant.
As I asked earlier, as you stating that nobody in poor countries wish to move to rich countries?

EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island

[armaghniac]

EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island

I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.

Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.

[tonto1888]

EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island

I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.

Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.

You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?

[armaghniac]

EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island

I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.

Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.

You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?

I was talking about this island, but I was not trying to justify Brexiteer policies.
I didn't say that it was a bad thing for these people, I said it was a bad thing for us.

[Milltown Row2]

EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island

I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.

Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.

You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?

I was talking about this island, but I was not trying to justify Brexiteer policies.
I didn't say that it was a bad thing for these people, I said it was a bad thing for us.

Why is it a bad thing? Cake eating it style debate

[Eamonnca1]

So from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.

There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.

Genuine question. What do you think the population of the world is?

[Eamonnca1]

Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.

What's your source for this? A random number generator?

[Eamonnca1]

Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.

However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.

Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't -  so I'm off to scrub the dishes!

Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?

Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start

A fella with 8 priors BTW

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html

Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?

Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.

It kind of is relevant if you're trying to make the claim that immigrants are inherently more dangerous than locals.

[Eamonnca1]

EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island

I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.

Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.

You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?

I was talking about this island, but I was not trying to justify Brexiteer policies.
I didn't say that it was a bad thing for these people, I said it was a bad thing for us.

How is it a bad thing? We need more people of working age, which immigrants tend to be.

[burdizzo]

There was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.

[whitey]

There was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.

There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website

If true....that's a major black eye for the government

[Milltown Row2]

There was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.

There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website

If true....that's a major black eye for the government

But doesn't stop you using it plus...

 putTING THINGS IN CAPITALS doesn't make it fact

[Rossfan]

I see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists
They're also calling for a no vote in the Referendums to stop foreigners taking over.

I used to wonder why none of them had a job.... 

[burdizzo]

There was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.

There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website

If true....that's a major black eye for the government

But doesn't stop you using it plus...

 putTING THINGS IN CAPITALS doesn't make it fact

I assume it was used for emphasis.

Anyway, poll findings show that the international socialists and laissez faire capitalists on here are out of step with what the vast majority feels about the issue!