Noam Chomsky etc

[Itchy]

Better in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.

Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.

I take your castrating/raping and I raise you Vietnam (raping and murder) and an illegal war started in Iraq with the lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction with 100's of thousands dead

Have a read of this Uncle Tom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

4.5m deaths following 9/11 caused by the USA, 1m directly and 3.5m indirectly. I don't have figures on how many US soliders raped and castrated to hand but judging by what they were at in the guantanamo and abu ghraib I would be fairly confident their soldiers would be at pretty much the same horrors that the Russians are at.

The difference here is you think USA good, Russia Bad. I think USA Bad, Russia Bad. You need to open your eyes my friend.

[johnnycool]

The thing I noticed when Pilger died was there weren't many gushing tributes on twitter. John Simpson of C4 news gave a very cold factual one I found a bit odd tbh, Piers Morgan gave a good one (because he worked with him at the Mirror). But I was expecting a love in.

This one here is the first to actually stick their head above the parapet and say what they really think I reckon. Its an opinion piece, but every one has their blindspots & niaivities.

Yes, but he waited till he was dead, libel laws and all that.

[Dag Dog]

Better in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.

Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.

I take your castrating/raping and I raise you Vietnam (raping and murder) and an illegal war started in Iraq with the lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction with 100's of thousands dead

Have a read of this Uncle Tom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

4.5m deaths following 9/11 caused by the USA, 1m directly and 3.5m indirectly. I don't have figures on how many US soliders raped and castrated to hand but judging by what they were at in the guantanamo and abu ghraib I would be fairly confident their soldiers would be at pretty much the same horrors that the Russians are at.

The difference here is you think USA good, Russia Bad. I think USA Bad, Russia Bad. You need to open your eyes my friend.

And how does this make it right for Pilger to be a Putin stooge?

[Itchy]

Better in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.

Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.

I take your castrating/raping and I raise you Vietnam (raping and murder) and an illegal war started in Iraq with the lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction with 100's of thousands dead

Have a read of this Uncle Tom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

4.5m deaths following 9/11 caused by the USA, 1m directly and 3.5m indirectly. I don't have figures on how many US soliders raped and castrated to hand but judging by what they were at in the guantanamo and abu ghraib I would be fairly confident their soldiers would be at pretty much the same horrors that the Russians are at.

The difference here is you think USA good, Russia Bad. I think USA Bad, Russia Bad. You need to open your eyes my friend.

And how does this make it right for Pilger to be a Putin stooge?

I was defending his right to be Anti NATO and Anti US, you took umbrage with that. If being Anti US and Anti NATO make you a Putin Stooge than I suppose I must be a Putin Stooge too.

[theskull1]

Makes me 'Putin Stooge' as well I guess. I didn't think that was a controversial position these days.

[Dag Dog]

Better in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.

Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.

I take your castrating/raping and I raise you Vietnam (raping and murder) and an illegal war started in Iraq with the lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction with 100's of thousands dead

Have a read of this Uncle Tom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

4.5m deaths following 9/11 caused by the USA, 1m directly and 3.5m indirectly. I don't have figures on how many US soliders raped and castrated to hand but judging by what they were at in the guantanamo and abu ghraib I would be fairly confident their soldiers would be at pretty much the same horrors that the Russians are at.

The difference here is you think USA good, Russia Bad. I think USA Bad, Russia Bad. You need to open your eyes my friend.

And how does this make it right for Pilger to be a Putin stooge?

I was defending his right to be Anti NATO and Anti US, you took umbrage with that. If being Anti US and Anti NATO make you a Putin Stooge than I suppose I must be a Putin Stooge too.

He can hold whatever views he wants, but a journalist should be objective.
If he whitewashes genocide like Srebrenica because it was carried out by a group he favours, then that is dangerous.

[bennydorano]

I think the larger point is Pilger is accused of lying, making up facts, numerous other things to suit his anti NATO / western agenda . Alternative facts if you will. I'd lay a £ to 1p that most of those arguing here never read the linked article.

[ThomasMullan]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

[Main Street]

As an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/

Pilger is like many others, they appear normal at the start. When they're championing right-on, left wing causes they get a free pass.

They eventually implode into anti-Western, anti-US, anti-NATO madness. They'll back any regime with the same goals.

A few months back, Pilger was praising a pro-Putin article by Chay Bowes. That's how far he had plummeted.

Well maybe it is right to be Anti US, Anti NATO etc - if you hadn't noticed they seem to be the ones starting most wars and lying about them to us. Are they any better really than Putin?

It's all well and fine to scrutinise US Nato policy/actions, but apply the same level of scrutiny towards Russia/USSR. Pilger did not and instead  avidly followed every  Kremlin propoganda utterance to the last and spewed it out word for word in his articles and social media,  just as the goody goody usefull idiot he turned out to be.

[Dag Dog]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.

[Itchy]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.

Agreed - also just like BBC, ITV, RTE, Times, Indo etc do for the US and NATO. Sadly.

[ThomasMullan]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.

Agreed - also just like BBC, ITV, RTE, Times, Indo etc do for the US and NATO. Sadly.

Itchy, if you lived in Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia, would you rather be a member of NATO or not a member of NATO? Bearing in mind you said, Putin bad.

[Itchy]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.

Agreed - also just like BBC, ITV, RTE, Times, Indo etc do for the US and NATO. Sadly.

Itchy, if you lived in Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia, would you rather be a member of NATO or not a member of NATO? Bearing in mind you said, Putin bad.

Not a member of NATO. I might like to be a member of the EU though. Again, that's from the outside looking in. Of those 3 countries I have only been to Lithuania a few times. You don't have to look too hard there to find US soldiers in the hotels in Lithuania - why is that?

[ThomasMullan]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.

Agreed - also just like BBC, ITV, RTE, Times, Indo etc do for the US and NATO. Sadly.

Itchy, if you lived in Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia, would you rather be a member of NATO or not a member of NATO? Bearing in mind you said, Putin bad.

Not a member of NATO. I might like to be a member of the EU though. Again, that's from the outside looking in. Of those 3 countries I have only been to Lithuania a few times. You don't have to look too hard there to find US soldiers in the hotels in Lithuania - why is that?

Ok, I asked the wrong question. Why do you think all the countries that were occupied by the Soviet Union/Soviet puppet regimes after WW2 wanted desperately to join NATO?

[Itchy]

Being anti-US foreign policy doesn't make John Pilger a Putin stooge, excusing Putin's war crimes in Syria, Ukraine or wherever make him a Putin stooge or apologist would be a better word.

Guys like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky lost the plot somewhere along the way - everything has to fit into their anti-West viewpoint.

John Waters, Gemma O'Doherty and Ewan MacKenna are similar.

Agreed - also just like BBC, ITV, RTE, Times, Indo etc do for the US and NATO. Sadly.

Itchy, if you lived in Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia, would you rather be a member of NATO or not a member of NATO? Bearing in mind you said, Putin bad.

Not a member of NATO. I might like to be a member of the EU though. Again, that's from the outside looking in. Of those 3 countries I have only been to Lithuania a few times. You don't have to look too hard there to find US soldiers in the hotels in Lithuania - why is that?

Ok, I asked the wrong question. Why do you think all the countries that were occupied by the Soviet Union/Soviet puppet regimes after WW2 wanted desperately to join NATO?

Because the Yanks have convinced them they will be protected if they do. Reality is that they instead provoked Russia and the Yanks and Nato cant help them now. Now you may say that Russia was not provoked and that Ukraine or whoever should be allowed to join whatever they want. Fair enough. But the Yanks didnt like it when Cuba was aligned with Russia and to this day have a melt down if you mention Cuba to them. USA and Russia are mirror images of each other. That is my point. It is stupid to thing one is morally better than the other. They are both selfish, self-serving tyrants and are ruthless.