Noam Chomsky etc

Started by tyroneman, November 04, 2011, 06:55:52 AM

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omagh_gael

To compensate for your lack of elongation bcb1? :)

Agent Orange


tyroneman

Thanks for the suggestions folks. Yes we occasionally read in Tyrone.... We just dint want to dispel the myths.

One book I read recently was Ian Rowland 'the full facts of cold reading'. If you enjoyed Derren Brown exposing how the fake psychics etc ply their trade this is the real deal. Probably the most authoritative book on the subject.

I read it and started watching those US TV programs where the (multi millionaire) spiritualised play to audiences of thousands. All thier techniques are crystal clear once you know what to look for.

Fear ón Srath Bán

Naomi Klein is another you might be interested in tm.
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...

tyroneman

Aye - read No Logo a while ago and thought it was good. Might just look up her latest

bennydorano

As an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/



Dag Dog

Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/

Pilger is like many others, they appear normal at the start. When they're championing right-on, left wing causes they get a free pass.

They eventually implode into anti-Western, anti-US, anti-NATO madness. They'll back any regime with the same goals.

A few months back, Pilger was praising a pro-Putin article by Chay Bowes. That's how far he had plummeted.

Jell 0 Biafra

Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/




That's a bit of a hit piece. Slagging off his grammar and writing style, and concluding that a source must have been made up by Pilger just because he (the author) couldn't track it down.

Not saying there's not truth to some of the criticisms (don't know enough about Pilger to say), but I'd be looking for other sources before taking this author's word.

Itchy

Quote from: Dag Dog on January 04, 2024, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/

Pilger is like many others, they appear normal at the start. When they're championing right-on, left wing causes they get a free pass.

They eventually implode into anti-Western, anti-US, anti-NATO madness. They'll back any regime with the same goals.

A few months back, Pilger was praising a pro-Putin article by Chay Bowes. That's how far he had plummeted.


Well maybe it is right to be Anti US, Anti NATO etc - if you hadn't noticed they seem to be the ones starting most wars and lying about them to us. Are they any better really than Putin?

johnnycool

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 05, 2024, 02:44:06 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/




That's a bit of a hit piece. Slagging off his grammar and writing style, and concluding that a source must have been made up by Pilger just because he (the author) couldn't track it down.

Not saying there's not truth to some of the criticisms (don't know enough about Pilger to say), but I'd be looking for other sources before taking this author's word.

Look who wrote this hit piece and who published it first.

Pilger wasn't perfect, no one is, but even some of the items this lad says he was incorrect in were factually correct.

I liked his stuff but always second source it.



bennydorano

The thing I noticed when Pilger died was there weren't many gushing tributes on twitter. John Simpson of C4 news gave a very cold factual one I found a bit odd tbh, Piers Morgan gave a good one (because he worked with him at the Mirror). But I was expecting a love in.

This one here is the first to actually stick their head above the parapet and say what they really think I reckon. Its an opinion piece, but every one has their blindspots & niaivities.

Dag Dog

Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:02:03 AM
Quote from: Dag Dog on January 04, 2024, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2024, 01:57:56 PMAs an owner of a book or two of John Pilger's works I was very interested/disappointed to read this article today, a tweet from Journo Oliver Kamm

I've written an assessment of the career of the late John Pilger. It's titled "John Pilger was a charlatan and a fraudster". Regrettably the facts do bear me out in this judgment. My thanks to @CapX for publishing it in full, for it is necessarily long.

https://capx.co/john-pilger-was-a-charlatan-and-a-fraudster/

Pilger is like many others, they appear normal at the start. When they're championing right-on, left wing causes they get a free pass.

They eventually implode into anti-Western, anti-US, anti-NATO madness. They'll back any regime with the same goals.

A few months back, Pilger was praising a pro-Putin article by Chay Bowes. That's how far he had plummeted.


Well maybe it is right to be Anti US, Anti NATO etc - if you hadn't noticed they seem to be the ones starting most wars and lying about them to us. Are they any better really than Putin?

Depends what "better" means. If the US sweeps into Mexico, captures 20% of it's territory, rapes, ethnic cleanses, captures Mexican children and sends them to be re-educated by USA parents, it would be "equal" to Putin at least.

Pilger clearly lost any moral compass when he started downplaying stuff like Srebrenica, purely because the enemy of his enemy was his friend.

But listen, alternative voice, fascinating views, thought provoking, doing your own research etc.
The idiots idea of a smart guy.

Dag Dog

Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2024, 09:34:06 AMThe thing I noticed when Pilger died was there weren't many gushing tributes on twitter. John Simpson of C4 news gave a very cold factual one I found a bit odd tbh, Piers Morgan gave a good one (because he worked with him at the Mirror). But I was expecting a love in.

This one here is the first to actually stick their head above the parapet and say what they really think I reckon. Its an opinion piece, but every one has their blindspots & niaivities.

Some more clues here.

https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1741874308258099213


Itchy

Better in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.

Dag Dog

Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 09:40:09 AMBetter in comparison to the Iraq war, Syrian war, Gaza (I could go on). The USA (and NATO) are not the good guys. If you think they are I am afraid you are the victim of their concerted propaganda.
Better? Castrating and raping must be the better ones in your eyes.
Remind me how much Iraqi territory the USA managed to capture as their 51st state then?
 
No doubt you think that Assad and Putin are the good guys in Syria, because you do your own research, avoid the MSN.