Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/unification-a-changing-landscape-1.4072097

Unification – a changing landscape




Sir, – Your editorial notes Irish encouragement of European support for German unification in the face of scepticism from other member states at the time ("The Irish Times view on the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall: The legacy of reunification", November 2nd). This is connected in your editorial to current German endorsement of the peace process.

There is another link. Brexit, if it happens, means that Irish reunification is likely to be framed as part of the European integration journey. It will be, as the European Council confirmed in April 2017, a way for this region (Northern Ireland) to return automatically.

Planning and preparing for possible constitutional change in Ireland will therefore include questions for the EU.

Why? Because there will be a pluralist European context that will inform the constitutional conversation on this island. It is time to start thinking about what this means. – Yours, etc,

Prof COLIN HARVEY,

Queen's University

Belfast.

Sir, – Stephen Collins is wrong ("Stop the dangerous guff about a united Ireland", Opinion & Analysis, November 1st).

First, the fragile political settlement in Northern Ireland is already unstable.

Second, there are two "national" identities at play here. Demography, the growing prosperity in the Republic, and the need for a government by consent in the North have all put the present inherently unstable status quo under great strain, especially within the unionist community.

Inevitably, there will be change. It is not "guff", therefore, to suppose that one of the changes might be to an agreement on a united Ireland by consent.

Equally it is not "guff" to suppose that some other compromise, based on consent, might be put in place.

Consent is the essential quality lacking in Northern Ireland, probably because military force appears to make it unnecessary, especially among unionists!

A united Ireland or some kind of condominium both represent potential solutions; as such they are not guff. – Yours, etc,


MYLES TIERNEY,

Dublin 16.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eamonnca1

Oddshcecker is now showing the betting odds on a second referendum in 2020:

No 4/11
Yes 23/10

Will be interesting to track those odds.

seafoid

Is there any website showing odds or Dodds for seats in NI ? 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eamonnca1

#8868
I see odds for specific seats in Britain but not NI:

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics

NI most seats:
DUP 4/7
Any other 49/5
SF 5/4

ardtole

Paddy power has odds for each constituency in the north

Eamonnca1

He probably does but I can't access his site from the states. Would anyone mind posting up the odds of the constituencies?

seafoid

Quote from: ardtole on November 05, 2019, 07:11:23 PM
Paddy power has odds for each constituency in the north
GRMA
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

haranguerer

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 05, 2019, 07:24:00 PM
He probably does but I can't access his site from the states. Would anyone mind posting up the odds of the constituencies?

FST
SF 8/15
UUP 11/8

N Belfast
DUP 4/6
SF EVS

S Belfast
SDLP 2/9
Alliance 7/2
DUP 6/1

E Belfast
DUP 8/13
Alliance 5/4

Foyle
SDLP 4/6
SF 11/10


screenexile

Jeffrey having a go at Claire Hanna asking if Sean Kelly will be canvassing for her as she's now the defacto Sinn Fein representative for South Belfast . . . he's wasting his time they're definitely losing that one!!!


imtommygunn

I won't be happy till it's over.

The DUP are beginning to look like the political front to the UDA so this kind of thing is typical of them.

red hander

Beginning to? They've been that since not long after their formation. Utter hypocrites when it comes to violence. Nationalist people need no lectures from the 'adult film' fan, a former member of the long disgraced UDR.

playwiththewind1st

Quote from: screenexile on November 06, 2019, 09:58:10 AM
Jeffrey having a go at Claire Hanna asking if Sean Kelly will be canvassing for her as she's now the defacto Sinn Fein representative for South Belfast . . . he's wasting his time they're definitely losing that one!!!

Jeffrey should think back before opening his mouth & just recall Noel Little's role.

armaghniac

Quote from: screenexile on November 06, 2019, 09:58:10 AM
Jeffrey having a go at Claire Hanna asking if Sean Kelly will be canvassing for her as she's now the defacto Sinn Fein representative for South Belfast . . . he's wasting his time they're definitely losing that one!!!

That kind of crass comment is as likely to make some middle of the road voter in South Belfast go out and vote for Hanna. 
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

johnnycool

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on November 06, 2019, 10:57:46 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 06, 2019, 09:58:10 AM
Jeffrey having a go at Claire Hanna asking if Sean Kelly will be canvassing for her as she's now the defacto Sinn Fein representative for South Belfast . . . he's wasting his time they're definitely losing that one!!!

Jeffrey should think back before opening his mouth & just recall Noel Little's role.

And the DUP's recent meetings with Dee Stitt and various other entities in Loyalism when wondering what to do come Brexit.

Claire should have read him up on that one.

imtommygunn

They are without a doubt the biggest threat to "the union".

They are also the biggest threat to the peace process.

I just don't see what value they add anyone.