The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Jurgen walks - Stallion vindicated

[Armamike]

Could have been worse. Have got away with Blue Murder in the Premiership the last couple of weeks.

This luck has not been carrying into the Champions League.

They've kept going in the premier league matches right till the end, pushing for the win.  Did the same last night, but couldn't manage to get the winner. It can happen.  Salzberg will be tricky but they'll be more open than Napoli (who are a good side) and that should leave a bit more space for the front 3.

[markl121]

Why did TAA not start?

I reckon he didnt start because klopp sees gomez as a more solid defensive option. Not sure i agree. Also he probably tried to give trent a rest but id rather we start strong and get the game finished then make the changes.

[TabClear]

Could have been worse. Have got away with Blue Murder in the Premiership the last couple of weeks.

This luck has not been carrying into the Champions League.

They've kept going in the premier league matches right till the end, pushing for the win.  Did the same last night, but couldn't manage to get the winner. It can happen.  Salzberg will be tricky but they'll be more open than Napoli (who are a good side) and that should leave a bit more space for the front 3.

Disappointing not to get the qualification sorted yesterday. Salzburg are a decent side so will need the main men playing. Hopefully Fabinho not too serious albeit he would have missed this weekend anyway with suspension.

[markl121]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

[under the bar]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.

[Tony Baloney]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.

Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

[sid waddell]

Good old fashioned British "justice"

Nothing ever changes

The powerful and connected are protected and the ordinary people are screwed

For Hilllsborough, read Bloody Sunday, and it'll be Grenfell next, no doubt

And we're no better in Ireland, given the way the Stardust was covered up, this new inquiry won't bring justice either

The Johnny Mercers of this world will now find some way to try and make Duckenfield a "victim" in all this, no doubt

It absolutely stinks

[under the bar]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.

Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

Yes, but manslaughter is the wrong charge in crowd control situations involving thousands of people where many people die in tragic circumstances.  The defence can simply point to hundreds of other football games from the time where similar policing policy was followed  and no-one died. Thus the bar of foresight of consequences of actions AND gross negligence are almost impossible to prove. The result is the families feel that the authorities have been vindicated which is not the case.

A criminal charge similar to the civil charge of death due to negligence would be more appropriate which finds that negligent behaviour (not gross negligence) by police or persons of authority leads to death, regardless as to whether they could have reasonably foreseen the deaths.  Such a conviction, even if custodial sentences did not necessarily follow would leave families feeling vindicated, unlike today.

[J70]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.

Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

Yes, but manslaughter is the wrong charge in crowd control situations involving thousands of people where many people die in tragic circumstances.  The defence can simply point to hundreds of other football games from the time where similar policing policy was followed  and no-one died. Thus the bar of foresight of consequences of actions AND gross negligence are almost impossible to prove. The result is the families feel that the authorities have been vindicated which is not the case.

A criminal charge similar to the civil charge of death due to negligence would be more appropriate which finds that negligent behaviour (not gross negligence) by police or persons of authority leads to death, regardless as to whether they could have reasonably foreseen the deaths.  Such a conviction, even if custodial sentences did not necessarily follow would leave families feeling vindicated, unlike today.

FFS lad, why can't you post well thought out and argued posts like that every day?

[Milltown Row2]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.

Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

Yes, but manslaughter is the wrong charge in crowd control situations involving thousands of people where many people die in tragic circumstances.  The defence can simply point to hundreds of other football games from the time where similar policing policy was followed  and no-one died. Thus the bar of foresight of consequences of actions AND gross negligence are almost impossible to prove. The result is the families feel that the authorities have been vindicated which is not the case.

A criminal charge similar to the civil charge of death due to negligence would be more appropriate which finds that negligent behaviour (not gross negligence) by police or persons of authority leads to death, regardless as to whether they could have reasonably foreseen the deaths.  Such a conviction, even if custodial sentences did not necessarily follow would leave families feeling vindicated, unlike today.

FFS lad, why can't you post well thought out and argued posts like that every day?

Obviously taken his medication this week!

On the case its horrible hearing those stories again, 5 live this morning the Liverpool lass has a podcast going on, her great uncle and mother were at the game and she has multiple accounts from survivors and family of the victims, brutal..

Carnage within the tunnel and in the ground one can only imagine

[trailer]

Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Desperately sad for those families and the people of Liverpool. Will they ever get justice now?

[J70]

Fabinho out until February.

[Dire Ear]

Fabinho out until February.

Massive loss,  another big injury and Klopp'll need to buy

[Mayo4Sam]

Fabinho out until February.

I know he's a massive loss but it's probably the area we could best afford to lose someone

[gawa316]

Fabinho out until February.

Massive loss,  another big injury and Klopp'll need to buy

No chance he'll buy. It's not Klopp's style to go out and sign stopgaps (other than the mightly Caulker!!). Fab, all being well, will be back by February (although our 8-10 week predictions often turn into 12-14 ones), Henderson, Gini, Keita, Milner, Ox, and Lallana, although not in his class in the defensive midfielder role, is more than ample cover.