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#31
General discussion / Re: Memories of Hillsborough
April 28, 2016, 12:17:26 PM
QuoteThe plain and simple fact is that the Police were placed under intolerable pressure and made wrong calls that sadly proved fatal.

THEY WERE NOT PLACED UNDER INTOLERABLE PRESSURE TONY!!!!!!!!

In one of his columns in the Daily Mirror, Brian Reade who was at the match wrote about that day.

QuoteIt was the second year running we'd been drawn to play Nottingham Forest in an FA Cup semi-final at Hillsborough and those of us in that red procession which snaked along the M62 to Sheffield had few worries about reaching Wembley again.

But different kinds of doubts were creeping in.

Major roadworks, an accident and persistent police checks were causing delays, and fears spread that the kick-off might be missed.

On reaching Hillsborough those fears were realised.

At 2.30pm, Leppings Lane, the entry point for all Liverpool fans, was human gridlock.

No police or stewards were on hand to filter the thousands of fans into queues.

The only visible authority was half-a dozen forlorn figures in blue on horseback and a few on the ground, screaming at the swaying crowd to back away from the turnstiles.

For the second year running, and despite protests, Liverpool were given 4,000 fewer tickets and the smaller end of the ground - despite having a much bigger following than Forest.

Geographically it made the police job of getting fans in and out of Sheffield easier.

Ensuring safety is how they termed it. It meant all 24,000 Liverpool ticket-holders, whether in Leppings Lane or the West and North stands, had to pass through 23 turnstiles, most so old they constantly jammed.

At the much newer Kop end Forest had 60 modern turnstiles. As the ground erupted with expectation at the entry of the teams, outside in Leppings Lane there was pandemonium.

Fans, angry at the lack of movement and organisation, berated the police, some of whom were screaming into their radios for assistance.

Many of us moved away from the turnstiles and looked on from a distance, convinced the kick-off would be put back while they sorted out the chaos.

Instead, at 2.52pm a huge blue exit gate opened and 2,000 of us poured in. At the back of the Leppings Lane terrace, stewards who were supposed to be dispersing the supporters evenly into five pens had vanished.

Consequently the bulk of fans ignored the lesser populated pens at the sides of the terrace and headed into the two central ones behind the goal, already over-crowded.

Those at the front became packed tighter and tighter.

The game was now under way and fans at the back, ignorant of the crush, concentrated on trying to get a view of the pitch.

They weren't to know that ahead of them on this shallow-sloping concrete there was panic, fear, hyper-ventilating, fainting, hair drenched in sweat and vomit matting on the metal fencing.

Thousands of disgruntled fans were still outside as the match was about to get underway.  This was not of their making.

They hadn't all come out of the nearest pubs or left it to the last minute to get parked.

Even in this column Reade acknowledges that the fans were angry and yes berated the police for their inaction. BUT THE POLICE WERE NOT PLACED UNDER INTOLERABLE PRESSURE.

Outside the ground, the fans were relatively safe.  The may have missed some of the match but at least they were safe.  No one was going to be crushed to death.

The police, the jury, even the Prime minister and for Christ sake even the man who gave the orders that day now admit and acknowledge that the actions were not only negligent but criminal.

Numerous quotes, articles, videos, case notes have now been produced to back up the jury's criminal verdict but you, you pugnacious person have not posted one shred of evidence to back up your warped, narrow mindset.

Post something up Tony to back up your claims or retract.
#32
General discussion / Re: Memories of Hillsborough
April 27, 2016, 10:45:12 AM
Home from college for the weekend.

Just me and my ma in the house and as usual she was in the kitchen.

When it became apparent from the images and the commentary that this was not just crowd trouble I called my ma in to watch.

We just sat there in quiet disbelief at what we were witnessing just the two of us. We didn't say a word for ages.
#33
I wonder will a certain poster be man enough to now retract scurrilous statements such as these.

QuoteThe victim mentality of Merseyside lingers on. The Police were put under intolerable pressure at Hillsborough due to drunken unruly scousers, and as a result made wrong calls.


QuoteNot lies, fact. Scousers drunk and disordely pressurised the Police who made tragic wrong calls. Blaming the Police for Hillsborough is akin to blaming the Police for Omagh, and no amount of propaganda from the likes of Jimmy Mc Govern will obscure the truth. After all the track record from Brussels 4 years earlier was there for all to see, undoubtedly another factor in the decisions taken by the Police

This is a quote from the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton, who said: "I want to make it absolutely clear that we unequivocally accept the verdict of unlawful killing and the wider findings reached by the jury in the Hillsborough Inquests."
#35
General discussion / Re: Death Notices
February 12, 2016, 05:41:57 PM
Tyrone country music legend Gene Stewart and founder of Stewart's Music Shop in Irish Street, Dungannon.

Poor auld Hugo was in a bad way about it this afternoon (don't mean that in a snide way).  Must have been very good friends.
#36
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
February 10, 2016, 11:50:59 AM
From John Hayes autobiography when Prince William visited the Lion's dressing room during a tour in 2005.

Legend of a story but more importantly legend of a player.*

QuoteAt one stage of the tour Prince William turned up to meet him (Woodward) at training one day. William is a big rugby fan and he came into our dressing room after one of the games and went round shaking our hands. I was sitting next to O'Connell. William told him he'd heard of Munster rugby and the legendary Thomond Park.

So Paulie said to him he should come over for a game some time. William said he'd love to but it wouldn't be easy; a visit like that to Ireland would take a bit or organizing. And quick as a flash O'Connell fires back, 'Some of your ancestors hadn't much problem coming over to Ireland.' He kinda half said it under his breath so I wasn't sure if Prince William had heard it or not. But I had and I nearly fell off my seat laughing.
*Until proved otherwise
#37
QuoteSick of these people indeed, but how can they be opposed?  I can certainly imagine Gildernew in Stormont as a First/Deputy First Minister, and someone that might advance the nationalist cause, but Flanagan would be an embarrassment. Flanagan reminds me of certain GAA players who will "stand up for themselves", but who just get sent off and and who are ultimately a scourge. What is needed is a player that goes up and scores at the other end, not one slabbering.

I would agree entirely with this Armaghniac but perhaps unfortunately in this case needs must and if Michelle ran in this constituency again I feel she might struggle to get enough voters out.

Phil says, albeit in a very clumsy and politically incorrect way what a lot of Sinn Fein voters in Fermanagh are thinking.

Is this good enough to progress the nationalist cause on the wider political scale? - probably not.

But hey, get him in and then try and tame him. Bit like Randle Patrick "Mac" McMurphy  :)
#38
Quoteunbelievable that Flanagan is in and Gildernew is out. She must have really pissed off someone. To me as a nationalist voter this puts a huge question mark over SF when they choose someone who continually puts his size 10's in his gob over a capable woman like Gildernew

Maybe it's a case of fighting fire with fire.  I would say that Phil Flanagan, despite his many faux pas. would appeal to the more hard-line republicans of Fermanagh and South Tyrone.

No one should kid themselves that even a modicum of moderate unionism exists in this area and perhaps the people are sick of seeing Arlene walking around Tesco's with her union jack shopping bag and that stupid royal brooch that she never leaves off, sick of the unionist pacts and sick of the hard-line unionist representatives.
#39
General discussion / Re: Legends
January 20, 2016, 05:59:14 PM
#40
GAA Discussion / Re: Colm O'Rourke vs. the GPA
January 19, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
I wonder if players ever did get paid would it affect match attendances or indeed the voluntary input at clubs up and down the country.

I'm not even sure how I would react - I just know I wouldn't be happy about it
#41
General discussion / Re: David Bowie - 1 Song
January 13, 2016, 11:18:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU-WmGK1hJo


I like this one. 

Remember Slane 87 like it was yesterday.  Jeeze that was one hot day.
#42
General discussion / Re: Latest Stormont Deal.
November 18, 2015, 11:02:33 AM
I think the election in May changed everything on all sides.

Up to that chips were being played on the basis of a hung parliament.

The only thing that this all shows is that Whitehall mandarins actually run the economy here.
#43
General discussion / Re: French Terrorist Attacks
November 16, 2015, 03:34:29 PM
The media are really struggling to get new copy after 3 days.

Some of the links from the local press are highly tenuous to say the least. 

BBC NI this lunchtime interviewing someone running a French food stall at the Belfast Christmas Continental Market. 
#44
QuoteThe Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.
Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men." "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional," the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God's saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."
Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void

This is from the Catholic Church Catechism and I would like to think that most right thinking people who do happen to follow the Catholic faith would have reason to understand this very clear disclaimer.
#45
General discussion / Re: Sayings only the Irish use
October 08, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
"Was it a big funeral?"
"Big enough"