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[Jeepers Creepers]

Reinstated

[Main Street]

he Champions League play-off draw in full:

Maribor v Celtic
SV Red Bull Salzburg v Malmo
AaB v APOEL Nicosia
Steaua Bucuresti v Ludogorets
Slovan Bratislava v BATE
Besiktas v Arsenal
Standard Liege v Zenit St. Petersburg
FC Copenhagen v Bayer Leverkusen
Lille v FC Porto
Napoli v Athletic Bilbao


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/champions-league-play-arsenal-play-turkish-side-besiktas-140808106451#HlfZSBHx2XBRbFRR.99

From the league placing side of the draw,  Napoli v Athletic Bilbao looks to be the stand out tie,

Maribor beat Maccabi Tel Aviv in the 3rd round,  1-0 at home  with a 94th minute winner and drew 2-2 in the away game which was played in front of 700 spectators in Cyprus.

[lynchbhoy]

years ago youd expect to thump them

now with confidence in themselves, each other and the manager - youd worry.

don't know much about Maribor so cant say how good or bad they are  - though beating macabi tel aviv isn't always easy to do prev.

It will be a huge help to play home game in Celtic Park.

Again for a few shekels more, Celtic board risked , gambled and lost - by taking the money and having the cl qualifier home games away from home.
ok for an experienced good side, but not a new low cost side learning its way under a new manager!!!

FFS

[Main Street]

years ago youd expect to thump them

now with confidence in themselves, each other and the manager - youd worry.

don't know much about Maribor so cant say how good or bad they are  - though beating macabi tel aviv isn't always easy to do prev.

It will be a huge help to play home game in Celtic Park.

Again for a few shekels more, Celtic board risked , gambled and lost - by taking the money and having the cl qualifier home games away from home.
ok for an experienced good side, but not a new low cost side learning its way under a new manager!!!

FFS

You mean Celtic should have played the home game somewhere closer to home in Glasgow?
I suppose we will have to wait until the match starts to see how Celtic shape up to Maribor, at least they are a few steps down in class from Legia Warsaw.

[lenny]

They brought the guy on with two minutes to go when 6-1 up! <insert Picard facepalm image>

It would've been the same outcome even if he had stayed on the bench. You can't name a suspended player in your match day squad. The penalty for doing so is the opponents are awarded a 3-0 victory. They are bound to regret the 2 missed pens in the first leg now. Can't see celtic beating Maribor though. We were dreadful v legia, the worst I've seen us in Europe. At least it means we will be in the Europa league at least which should actually suit celtic better.

[deiseach]

It would've been the same outcome even if he had stayed on the bench. You can't name a suspended player in your match day squad. The penalty for doing so is the opponents are awarded a 3-0 victory.

Point taken. Was Bereszynski on the bench for the game in Warsaw? That would represent another 3-0 reversal. The fact (if the Guardian report is to be believed) that he wasn't registered for the Pats games does diminish slightly any sympathy I might have for Legia. It doesn't look like they knew what they were doing.

[galwayman]

I dunno I don't feel too comfortable with this. I know rules are rules but this had zero impact on the result of a tie where Celtic were beaten out the gate.

[T Fearon]

Remember when Celtic were cheated out of a legitimate victory over Rapid Vienna in the Cup Winners Cup in season 84/85, and made to replay the home tie which they won at Old Trafford (where they lost) and Vienna subsequently reached the final? Well what goes round comes round. Break the rules, pay the price.

[screenexile]

Remember when Celtic were cheated out of a legitimate victory over Rapid Vienna in the Cup Winners Cup in season 84/85, and made to replay the home tie which they won at Old Trafford (where they lost) and Vienna subsequently reached the final? Well what goes round comes round. Break the rules, pay the price.

If Celtic had any pride they would offer a replay or let the other team go on ahead. . .

[Syferus]

Celtic are the jammiest football club in the world.

[Sidney]

Celtic are the jammiest football club in the world.

Don't ever compare us to the Hearts huns.

However we are now going to win the European Cup and troll the fook out of the whole continent.

[Minder]

Does Tony still want a handout of TV money now that Celtic are back in the Champions Leage?

[Main Street]

They brought the guy on with two minutes to go when 6-1 up! <insert Picard facepalm image>

It would've been the same outcome even if he had stayed on the bench. You can't name a suspended player in your match day squad. The penalty for doing so is the opponents are awarded a 3-0 victory. They are bound to regret the 2 missed pens in the first leg now. Can't see celtic beating Maribor though. We were dreadful v legia, the worst I've seen us in Europe. At least it means we will be in the Europa league at least which should actually suit celtic better.

Are you sure about that? I remember when a suspended Shane Long  was an unused sub for Ireland  (v Wales?) in a qualifier, there was a penalty to pay for that oversight, but small in comparison to the 3-0 reverse that would have been inflicted had he come on, even for just 2 seconds.

[lenny]

They brought the guy on with two minutes to go when 6-1 up! <insert Picard facepalm image>

It would've been the same outcome even if he had stayed on the bench. You can't name a suspended player in your match day squad. The penalty for doing so is the opponents are awarded a 3-0 victory. They are bound to regret the 2 missed pens in the first leg now. Can't see celtic beating Maribor though. We were dreadful v legia, the worst I've seen us in Europe. At least it means we will be in the Europa league at least which should actually suit celtic better.

Are you sure about that? I remember when a suspended Shane Long  was an unused sub for Ireland  (v Wales?) in a qualifier, there was a penalty to pay for that oversight, but small in comparison to the 3-0 reverse that would have been inflicted had he come on, even for just 2 seconds.

Uefa rules are clear and they have been applied here, Celtic had no part in it. When a club fields a suspended player they forfeit the match. A forfeit means the opponents are awarded a 3-0 win. I'm almost certain that the player just has to be in the match day squad. Someone on the kerrydale street forum had looked at the rule in detail.

[Main Street]

They brought the guy on with two minutes to go when 6-1 up! <insert Picard facepalm image>

It would've been the same outcome even if he had stayed on the bench. You can't name a suspended player in your match day squad. The penalty for doing so is the opponents are awarded a 3-0 victory. They are bound to regret the 2 missed pens in the first leg now. Can't see celtic beating Maribor though. We were dreadful v legia, the worst I've seen us in Europe. At least it means we will be in the Europa league at least which should actually suit celtic better.

Are you sure about that? I remember when a suspended Shane Long  was an unused sub for Ireland  (v Wales?) in a qualifier, there was a penalty to pay for that oversight, but small in comparison to the 3-0 reverse that would have been inflicted had he come on, even for just 2 seconds.

Uefa rules are clear and they have been applied here, Celtic had no part in it. When a club fields a suspended player they forfeit the match. A forfeit means the opponents are awarded a 3-0 win. I'm almost certain that the player just has to be in the match day squad. Someone on the kerrydale street forum had looked at the rule in detail.

No doubt the source looked into the rule in detail but did he examine precedents?
I'd say if the player was an unused sub, Legia would have had a stronger case.
I have given an example of a suspended player who sat on the subs bench in Slovakia  (2 all draw) but wasn't called into action, therefore the 3 nil rule was not applied, only a fine was the penalty. In such a context (unused sub), if the excuse is good enough,  UEFA  can waiver the 3 nil scenario.


Long to pay for FAI's error
Emmet Malone

News : The Football Association of Ireland has been fined and Shane Long suspended for an extra game as a result of an administrative error that led to the Reading striker being named as a substitute for the European Championship qualifier in Slovakia when he was actually suspended for the game.

The 20 year-old didn't come on in the match which Ireland drew 2-2 but that appears to have been more a matter of luck than design with Steve Staunton and the FAI only discovering afterwards he should not have been included in the squad for the game.

Suspended players are prohibited from being on the bench and his presence there might have cost Ireland a points deduction but Uefa has apparently accepted the situation was not made clear to the FAI. At its September 20th meeting the federation's disciplinary committee, of which FAI chief executive John Delaney is a member, settled for the imposition of an undisclosed fine and extension of the player's ban instead.

Long's case is a rather complicated one as the five-match suspension was imposed as a result of his sending off and reaction to it during a competitive under-19 game early last year. He served the first part of the ban within a number of days but the manner in which the rest was to be accounted for was affected by his graduations to the Irish under-21 squad, then to the seniors.

Players suspended at one level cannot play for their country at another level in the 24 hours either side of a competitive game played by the team from which they are suspended. As the striker's ban automatically followed him to under-21 level, this means Long was free to play for the senior international team provided the under-21s did have a competitive game within a day of the game, as they did the night before the match in Slovakia when the under-21s played Portugal in Cork.