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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #150 on: November 08, 2017, 05:33:12 PM »
Syf, your point is generally valid. It's hard for IC players to hold down jobs in our industry for example. Multinational Inc doesn't care about Kerry v Cork and if developer A wants to take a day off on a Monday to recover, he'd better fecking request it in time, and don't be leaving early for training either, unless you work the hours back.

However, many IC players land in positions and jobs where their profile is deemed advantageous, and those jobs most certainly accommodate the needs of a top IC player. Gooch works for a bank, and he's far from the only player working for banks and being front and centre in promo campaigns etc. In reality his profile as a player helped his career, and his employer was happy to accommodate him as he played because he was intrinsically linked with them.

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #151 on: November 08, 2017, 06:29:58 PM »
Being an IC player is a full time job you arenít paid for. Trying to point to the odd kickback totally misses the point that in any other sport the level of commitment involved would mean the player was a professional, and still get everything youíre pointing to on top of it.

But it isn't any other sport, that is the whole point. The issue arising because Gooch is undermining the GAA.

Armaghniac makes the point. How many young boys grow up with dreams to play in Croker and win the All-Ireland with their county or captain their club to a championship? Now how many boys grow up to become a great player so they can have a testimonial dinner (I wonder btw did Gooch come out for the 2nd half of the dinner, saying as he went missing in many a 2nd half of a big game). The GAA is always greater than its individual parts and thats its beauty. Gooch is another mercenary. No better than them managers squeezing the life out of counties and clubs for big dough.

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #152 on: November 08, 2017, 06:46:55 PM »
Former Inter County top player gets buckets of money from people voluntarily forking it out to ate a bit a mate and a few spuds in his company.
Good luck to him but I won't be partaking.
Rest of ye either go to the dinner or don't.
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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #153 on: November 08, 2017, 06:54:26 PM »
Former Inter County top player gets buckets of money from people voluntarily forking it out to ate a bit a mate and a few spuds in his company.
Good luck to him but I won't be partaking.
Rest of ye either go to the dinner or don't.
Then move on.

Sure it's well over by now isn't it?

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #154 on: November 08, 2017, 07:16:54 PM »
Former Inter County top player gets buckets of money from people voluntarily forking it out to ate a bit a mate and a few spuds in his company.
Good luck to him but I won't be partaking.
Rest of ye either go to the dinner or don't.
Then move on.

Sure it's well over by now isn't it?

Last I heard Gooch had set up a business HQ on the Channel Islands...

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #155 on: November 08, 2017, 08:33:26 PM »
Syf, your point is generally valid. It's hard for IC players to hold down jobs in our industry for example. Multinational Inc doesn't care about Kerry v Cork and if developer A wants to take a day off on a Monday to recover, he'd better fecking request it in time, and don't be leaving early for training either, unless you work the hours back.

However, many IC players land in positions and jobs where their profile is deemed advantageous, and those jobs most certainly accommodate the needs of a top IC player. Gooch works for a bank, and he's far from the only player working for banks and being front and centre in promo campaigns etc. In reality his profile as a player helped his career, and his employer was happy to accommodate him as he played because he was intrinsically linked with them.

AZ, Gooch is quite different to a lot of the other stars employed by banks in that he is actually advancing a bona fide banking career.  Sure one "star" is reportedly dyslexic - while unfortunate, but banking is hardly an optimal career path with that condition.


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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #156 on: November 08, 2017, 09:40:53 PM »
Syf, your point is generally valid. It's hard for IC players to hold down jobs in our industry for example. Multinational Inc doesn't care about Kerry v Cork and if developer A wants to take a day off on a Monday to recover, he'd better fecking request it in time, and don't be leaving early for training either, unless you work the hours back.

However, many IC players land in positions and jobs where their profile is deemed advantageous, and those jobs most certainly accommodate the needs of a top IC player. Gooch works for a bank, and he's far from the only player working for banks and being front and centre in promo campaigns etc. In reality his profile as a player helped his career, and his employer was happy to accommodate him as he played because he was intrinsically linked with them.

AZ, Gooch is quite different to a lot of the other stars employed by banks in that he is actually advancing a bona fide banking career.  Sure one "star" is reportedly dyslexic - while unfortunate, but banking is hardly an optimal career path with that condition.
he must be some banker with no qualifications in business, maths or other related field

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #157 on: November 08, 2017, 09:53:23 PM »
Syf, your point is generally valid. It's hard for IC players to hold down jobs in our industry for example. Multinational Inc doesn't care about Kerry v Cork and if developer A wants to take a day off on a Monday to recover, he'd better fecking request it in time, and don't be leaving early for training either, unless you work the hours back.

However, many IC players land in positions and jobs where their profile is deemed advantageous, and those jobs most certainly accommodate the needs of a top IC player. Gooch works for a bank, and he's far from the only player working for banks and being front and centre in promo campaigns etc. In reality his profile as a player helped his career, and his employer was happy to accommodate him as he played because he was intrinsically linked with them.

AZ, Gooch is quite different to a lot of the other stars employed by banks in that he is actually advancing a bona fide banking career.  Sure one "star" is reportedly dyslexic - while unfortunate, but banking is hardly an optimal career path with that condition.
he must be some banker with no qualifications in business, maths or other related field

What are the "normal" entry requirements into banking these days?  Back in my day, you got in based on leaving cert and two interviews.  You were expected to study for "bank exams" once on board.  Has it changed much at entry level? 

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #158 on: November 09, 2017, 08:04:51 AM »
This is still the most embarassing bit of hand wringing I've seen in the GAA in a long time. Make as much as you can while you can. No one person is the moral guardian of another, let alone of a sport that treats amateur players like livestock at times.

Livestock donít have a choice

Most players don't think about choice when college, county and club want their pound of flesh the same week either. And if they did say no they'd be vilified by someone for it. Don't act like pressure to acquiesce isn't implied and applied on players in equal measure. None of which is any excuse for shunting players around like cattle. It's supposedly all about the greater good yet every link on the chain doesn't seem to care that much about the individual or what's best for them long term.

If Gooch can make a bit of money, he's perfectly entitled to do it. In the absence of someone else looking after you, you damn well better make sure you do it yourself.

Do you genuinely believe Gooch was poorly treated by club, county or employer over the last 15 years

Do you genuinely believe the system's interest is any individual player? They're the livestock, and yes they are treated as such many, many times throughout their careers. Just because Gooch happened to be so good that he is able to draw money in for a testimonial is no excuse for anyone to begrudge him it.

It's so easy for people to be hurlers on the ditch when they have no skin in the game. You either accept the ground rules of capitalism or you don't, it's really that simple.
Oh piss off. County players are treated like royalty. For so-called ďamateursĒ theyíre more than looked after. Cushy jobs handed to them (permanent teaching jobs are virtually guaranteed as soon as you graduate), all sorts of scholarships/money thrown at them by universities, free gym membership/training, £100s worth of free gear each year, free car, sponsorship deals, expenses, trips paid for to play/drink the head of themselves in NY, free team holidays. Not to mention a lifetime of jersey-tuggers following them around.

Iíd hazard a guess the gooch was near top of the pile when it came to being looked after.

Being an IC player is a full time job you arenít paid for. Trying to point to the odd kickback totally misses the point that in any other sport the level of commitment involved would mean the player was a professional, and still get everything youíre pointing to on top of it.

The Irish do begrudgry better than anyone else. Itís a bit embarrassing to watch over a fŻcking dinner dance, though.

Are you prepared to pay more do that these gents are professional players? Over rated most of them
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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #159 on: November 09, 2017, 01:52:54 PM »
This is still the most embarassing bit of hand wringing I've seen in the GAA in a long time. Make as much as you can while you can. No one person is the moral guardian of another, let alone of a sport that treats amateur players like livestock at times.

Livestock donít have a choice

Most players don't think about choice when college, county and club want their pound of flesh the same week either. And if they did say no they'd be vilified by someone for it. Don't act like pressure to acquiesce isn't implied and applied on players in equal measure. None of which is any excuse for shunting players around like cattle. It's supposedly all about the greater good yet every link on the chain doesn't seem to care that much about the individual or what's best for them long term.

If Gooch can make a bit of money, he's perfectly entitled to do it. In the absence of someone else looking after you, you damn well better make sure you do it yourself.

Do you genuinely believe Gooch was poorly treated by club, county or employer over the last 15 years

Do you genuinely believe the system's interest is any individual player? They're the livestock, and yes they are treated as such many, many times throughout their careers. Just because Gooch happened to be so good that he is able to draw money in for a testimonial is no excuse for anyone to begrudge him it.

It's so easy for people to be hurlers on the ditch when they have no skin in the game. You either accept the ground rules of capitalism or you don't, it's really that simple.
Oh piss off. County players are treated like royalty. For so-called ďamateursĒ theyíre more than looked after. Cushy jobs handed to them (permanent teaching jobs are virtually guaranteed as soon as you graduate), all sorts of scholarships/money thrown at them by universities, free gym membership/training, £100s worth of free gear each year, free car, sponsorship deals, expenses, trips paid for to play/drink the head of themselves in NY, free team holidays. Not to mention a lifetime of jersey-tuggers following them around.

Iíd hazard a guess the gooch was near top of the pile when it came to being looked after.

Being an IC player is a full time job you arenít paid for. Trying to point to the odd kickback totally misses the point that in any other sport the level of commitment involved would mean the player was a professional, and still get everything youíre pointing to on top of it.

The Irish do begrudgry better than anyone else. Itís a bit embarrassing to watch over a fŻcking dinner dance, though.
I donít know too many full time jobs you can swan in and out of as you please. I donít know too many full time jobs where you can turn round and say thanks for employing me but Iím away for the summer  to drink he head of myself (and get paid to do so) but I might come back to ya around November time when it suits me. And donít mistake this for begrudgery, fair f**ks to any man good enough to play ball for his county and get all the add ons that come with it. But donít bullshit this about them having a hard life, no one puts a gun to their head, they know the commitment needed and if they donít like it they can and do fuxk off if and when it gets too hard for them. Gaelic football and hurling players are NOT full time professionals so stop pretending they are

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Re: Gooch Cooper testimonial dinner
« Reply #160 on: November 09, 2017, 02:28:12 PM »
The last poster is spot on. Too many of these inter-county players believe their own publicity. How manyy of them will insist on playing for their clubs when the county boss says not to. Most counties will have 10 or less games a year. Would they last in the professional world of 35 to 45 games a season?
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