Monaghan warm favourites at 8-13 and come into it on the back of 3 easy games against weak division 4 opposition.
Kildare won't fear them however and were the better team when they met in the league earlier in the year, but they will need to be more aggressive than they were against Fermanagh both in tackling and by pushing up on kickouts. Hopefully there will a decent following and we can create at least a tiny bit of an atmosphere in Croke Park as it will help. They opened the hill at least which should help.
Last championship meeting between the 2 teams was a good one but both teams have improved a lot since then.
http://www.the42.ie/kildare-monaghan-match-report-1602660-Aug2014/
Make no mistake, the flourbags have their tails up.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 09, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
Last championship meeting between the 2 teams was a good one but both teams have improved a lot since then.
http://www.the42.ie/kildare-monaghan-match-report-1602660-Aug2014/
One of the few championship games Monaghan won in Croke Park in recent years.
Kildare's big worry is that Fermanagh had 41 shots against them.
Fermanagh only converted 0-18 of them but to me that Kildare defence just does not look solid.
Monaghan by 3 points for me.
Fermanagh hit 12 wides so I'm not entirely sure that 41 scoring chances is entirely accurate. Hard to read into the Fermanagh game considering it was over so early and there was zero intensity to the second half. Kildare will need to be seriously motivated for this regardless, if they are anyway flat at all we won't be winning.
Is anyone giving Monaghan a chance? Everyone in the media seems to be tipping Kildare apart from Dick Clerkin which is odd as Monaghan are favourites with the bookies.
I really haven't a clue who'll win this, could make a case for either team.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
Is anyone giving Monaghan a chance? Everyone in the media seems to be tipping Kildare apart from Dick Clerkin which is odd as Monaghan are favourites with the bookies.
I really haven't a clue who'll win this, could make a case for either team.
In fairness the bookies are the best barometer most of the time. We can ignore the media as there are more papers and clicks to be sold off the back of Kildare stories.
I think this is a massive step up for Kildare, but Mayo was a leap compared to other games. In fairness to both sides they seem to be flying fit in the heat.
I don't see it as a draw anyway...Kildare by 2...
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
Is anyone giving Monaghan a chance? Everyone in the media seems to be tipping Kildare apart from Dick Clerkin which is odd as Monaghan are favourites with the bookies.
I really haven't a clue who'll win this, could make a case for either team.
kildare are the story of the summer. They took on the top brass and won and then followed it up by winning on the pitch. Having said that i fancy monaghan. They had a quiet buildup and they got a few new players on board through the league. Its still all about mcmanus but he now has more help than he previously had. Monaghan to close out a tight game but 2 or 3 points
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
Is anyone giving Monaghan a chance? Everyone in the media seems to be tipping Kildare apart from Dick Clerkin which is odd as Monaghan are favourites with the bookies.
I really haven't a clue who'll win this, could make a case for either team.
From a Monaghan perspective, this build up couldn't be better. It seems like ALL the talk is about Kildare, they're being talked up as semi final dark horses and seem to be the media darling after coming out on top with the Newbridge fiasco and then overcoming Mayo. Meanwhile we haven't been on telly once over the qualifiers so nobody has passed any remarks on us.
Now we haven't really been tested yet in the back door so hard to draw any conclusions from that, and Kildare are back on form so will be more dangerous than a couple of months ago, but I think we're in a good place for this game.
Kildare virtually have home advantage here.
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2018, 11:36:18 AM
Kildare virtually have home advantage here.
Yea we are unbeatable in Croke Park.
Ulster teams tend to open up more outside Ulster which should suit Kildare. An arm wrestle would suit Monaghan as McManus will be the best, best at winning frees and most accurate forward on display. Nolan the referee allows a lot of physical contact though which will suit the Kildare backs who are a bit handsy.
Hard to know where Monaghan are but if allowed dictate the tempo I think Kildare can win by 2 or 3. Healy & Kelly making the difference of the bench.
A Dublin venue and a Wicklow Ref.
I wonder who Croke Park want to win this one ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A Dublin venue and a Wicklow Ref.
I wonder whco Croke Park want to win this one ::)
He rode Kildare last Friday night, 6 frees to Dublin's 16. We have a mixed record under him, he's no Dublin Joe. We have also lost our last 7 games in Croke Park.
This is virtually a championship eliminator match for both sides as I can't see the loser beating Dublin and getting through.
Six weeks ago you would have predicted Monaghan but now I'm not so sure. Kildare have momentum and with Monaghan's poor Croke Park record in the latter stages, I think Kildare can edge what is sure to be a close contest. A lot depends how Kildare cope with Monaghan's defensive system but they seemed to run through Fermanagh with ease last weekend so that was good preparation for what lies ahead albeit Fermanagh do not have the quality of player that Monaghan possess.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A Dublin venue and a Wicklow Ref.
I wonder whco Croke Park want to win this one ::)
He rode Kildare last Friday night, 6 frees to Dublin's 16. We have a mixed record under him, he's no Dublin Joe. We have also lost our last 7 games in Croke Park.
In one half? Surely that wasn't the whole match.
Weird championship for Monaghan and hard to gauge where they're at. Beat a decent Tyrone and lost to a less decent Fermanagh. Then a few strolls. You'd have to think they'll be fired up for this one and their manager will be saying "Fermanagh" quite a few times this week to them. Kildare look like the whole struggle with HQ has liberated them and they're playing somewhere near where we'd expect them to be at after several seasons of underperforming in most peoples eyes. The wind is in their sails so I think they'll be heard to beat and should have a good crowd supporting them.
Very hard to call....I'd say it's close to 50/50. Both have poor records in Croker. If Kildare are disciplined at the back I think they can just get over the line but I wouldn't be very confident either way.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A Dublin venue and a Wicklow Ref.
I wonder whco Croke Park want to win this one ::)
He rode Kildare last Friday night, 6 frees to Dublin's 16. We have a mixed record under him, he's no Dublin Joe. We have also lost our last 7 games in Croke Park.
In one half? Surely that wasn't the whole match.
The whole match.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A Dublin venue and a Wicklow Ref.
I wonder whco Croke Park want to win this one ::)
He rode Kildare last Friday night, 6 frees to Dublin's 16. We have a mixed record under him, he's no Dublin Joe. We have also lost our last 7 games in Croke Park.
In one half? Surely that wasn't the whole match.
The whole match.
Crikey, I can't recall ever seeing a team on the receiving 6 fouls in a match. I only watched the last 15 minutes of the first half and he gave Dublin everything.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A Dublin venue and a Wicklow Ref.
I wonder whco Croke Park want to win this one ::)
He rode Kildare last Friday night, 6 frees to Dublin's 16. We have a mixed record under him, he's no Dublin Joe. We have also lost our last 7 games in Croke Park.
In one half? Surely that wasn't the whole match.
Given Kildare scored 6 frees and a penalty, I think you can take Dinny's "stats" with a pinch of salt.
http://leinstergaa.ie/hyland-inspires-kildare-u-20-football-title/
Maybe if watched the game instead of flat earthing you would know Hyland scored 6 points from play. No need to apologise, stats here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19 (https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 01:50:57 PM
Maybe if watched the game instead of flat earthing you would know Hyland scored 6 points from play. No need to apologise, stats here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19 (https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19)
Hmm, seems the 6-16 free count isnt the only error in the blue box in the top corner. Says only one point scored from frees in the whole game between the two teams!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2018, 11:36:18 AM
Kildare virtually have home advantage here.
Yea we are unbeatable in Croke Park.
Ulster teams tend to open up more outside Ulster which should suit Kildare. An arm wrestle would suit Monaghan as McManus will be the best, best at winning frees and most accurate forward on display. Nolan the referee allows a lot of physical contact though which will suit the Kildare backs who are a bit handsy.
Hard to know where Monaghan are but if allowed dictate the tempo I think Kildare can win by 2 or 3. Healy & Kelly making the difference of the bench.
Kelly went off injured late on in Navan. Big doubt for Sunday.
Quote from: Hound on July 10, 2018, 02:17:26 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 01:50:57 PM
Maybe if watched the game instead of flat earthing you would know Hyland scored 6 points from play. No need to apologise, stats here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19 (https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19)
Hmm, seems the 6-16 free count isnt the only error in the blue box in the top corner. Says only one point scored from frees in the whole game between the two teams!
Christ you are annoying, it's not an error, he corrected the scoreable frees later. Do you ever get tired of being wring all the time?
https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015528754918100992/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015528754918100992/photo/1)
I know everybody's saying that we eased off in the second-half on Saturday night against Fermanagh and this allowed Fermanagh to rack up a total of 18 points, but I don't see it that way. The way I see it is that the substitutions weakened the team and while the players kept trying we simply weren't strong enough to keep going at Fermanagh. The big problem as far as I could see was that from the time of the substitutions onwards, some of the subs didn't really perform and others started to carry the ball into tackles and lost it a good few times. I think if we are forced into substitutions early on on Sunday it will cost us big time.
Trying to find some stats online that might backup or rubbish what I'm saying above but can't find any.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 10, 2018, 02:17:26 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 10, 2018, 01:50:57 PM
Maybe if watched the game instead of flat earthing you would know Hyland scored 6 points from play. No need to apologise, stats here.
https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19 (https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015404172672413697?s=19)
Hmm, seems the 6-16 free count isnt the only error in the blue box in the top corner. Says only one point scored from frees in the whole game between the two teams!
Christ you are annoying, it's not an error, he corrected the scoreable frees later. Do you ever get tired of being wring all the time?
https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015528754918100992/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/arantaobhline/status/1015528754918100992/photo/1)
Do I "ever get tired of being wring"? I really don't know! ;D Do you?
You send a wrong link and blame me for pointing out errors in it!
There's still an obvious error in the latest one too, so clearly unreliable. Don't believe everything you read on the internet 8)
Quote from: inexile on July 10, 2018, 03:15:21 PM
I know everybody's saying that we eased off in the second-half on Saturday night against Fermanagh and this allowed Fermanagh to rack up a total of 18 points, but I don't see it that way. The way I see it is that the substitutions weakened the team and while the players kept trying we simply weren't strong enough to keep going at Fermanagh. The big problem as far as I could see was that from the time of the substitutions onwards, some of the subs didn't really perform and others started to carry the ball into tackles and lost it a good few times. I think if we are forced into substitutions early on on Sunday it will cost us big time.
Trying to find some stats online that might backup or rubbish what I'm saying above but can't find any.
I think Healy has impressed when he came on in the last two games.
Presume none of the U20s came on v Ferm? Could be more of a temptation this week. Although still probably couldnt do it if they win the semi.
This has the potential to be a cracker.
Monaghan got it hard to shake of a stubborn Laois on Sunday but made it hard for the O'moores to get scores with their intensity in the tackle etc.
Kildare shipped 18 points to Fermanagh all be it when the game was won.
Looking at both games I think Monaghan will have too much for them.
The newbridge or nowhere thing has got the Lillys back on board tho for about 4 years the support had left them now they are fully back on the bandwagon and ready for croker Sunday!
Quote from: Hound on July 10, 2018, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: inexile on July 10, 2018, 03:15:21 PM
I know everybody's saying that we eased off in the second-half on Saturday night against Fermanagh and this allowed Fermanagh to rack up a total of 18 points, but I don't see it that way. The way I see it is that the substitutions weakened the team and while the players kept trying we simply weren't strong enough to keep going at Fermanagh. The big problem as far as I could see was that from the time of the substitutions onwards, some of the subs didn't really perform and others started to carry the ball into tackles and lost it a good few times. I think if we are forced into substitutions early on on Sunday it will cost us big time.
Trying to find some stats online that might backup or rubbish what I'm saying above but can't find any.
I think Healy has impressed when he came on in the last two games.
Presume none of the U20s came on v Ferm? Could be more of a temptation this week. Although still probably couldnt do it if they win the semi.
Aaron ONeill and Jimmy Hyland were the two U20s that I saw. Neither played a part in the game. Fairest to leave them to the U20s I think.
Quote from: inexile on July 10, 2018, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 10, 2018, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: inexile on July 10, 2018, 03:15:21 PM
I know everybody's saying that we eased off in the second-half on Saturday night against Fermanagh and this allowed Fermanagh to rack up a total of 18 points, but I don't see it that way. The way I see it is that the substitutions weakened the team and while the players kept trying we simply weren't strong enough to keep going at Fermanagh. The big problem as far as I could see was that from the time of the substitutions onwards, some of the subs didn't really perform and others started to carry the ball into tackles and lost it a good few times. I think if we are forced into substitutions early on on Sunday it will cost us big time.
Trying to find some stats online that might backup or rubbish what I'm saying above but can't find any.
I think Healy has impressed when he came on in the last two games.
Presume none of the U20s came on v Ferm? Could be more of a temptation this week. Although still probably couldnt do it if they win the semi.
Aaron ONeill and Jimmy Hyland were the two U20s that I saw. Neither played a part in the game. Fairest to leave them to the U20s I think.
Mark Dempsey was there and was listed and wore number 25. Curiously enough Cathal McNally was not named in the program but was also there and wearing 25.
Emmet Bolton predicting a 5-10 point Kildare win on Off the Ball this morning, not short on confidence anyway. I'd say Monaghan are absolutely loving this build up.
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 10, 2018, 04:21:20 PM
This has the potential to be a cracker.
Monaghan got it hard to shake of a stubborn Laois on Sunday but made it hard for the O'moores to get scores with their intensity in the tackle etc.
Kildare shipped 18 points to Fermanagh all be it when the game was won.
Looking at both games I think Monaghan will have too much for them.
The newbridge or nowhere thing has got the Lillys back on board tho for about 4 years the support had left them now they are fully back on the bandwagon and ready for croker Sunday!
It'll be interesting to see if the bandwagon is back. Hopefully it is. They can be a noisy rowdy bunch :D
Dinny mentioned they're on a very long Croke Park losing streak, which surprised me a bit (thought they would have beat Meath there last year, but it was indeed played elsewhere). But Monaghan and Galway's Croke Park record is not stellar either recently.
I was looking again at Kidlare's results from 2017. They obviously had a very good league campaign getting out of Division 2 and I thought they were the equal of Galway and deliberately didn't give the League 2 final 100% as it didn't mean much. They in Leinster then really hammered both Laois and Meath (who both had hammered other teams in the previous round), so they were actually flying.
After losing to the Dubs, then then disappointingly lost to Armagh. Some might have put that down to being disheartened after yet another defeat to the juggernaut, but looking at recent player interviews it seems to have been the opposite. Apart from a few crucial aspects, they actually gained confidence from being competitive for most of the game. But they just took their eye off the ball for the Armagh and were caught on the hop.
We all know there were a number of Div 1 games this year that were just lost narrowly, but clearly it dented confidence, and belief and fight were lacking for the Carlow game. But everything's back on track now, and they look well up to giving the Super 8 a go.
It will be interesting if they commit to Newbridge for Game 2. Playing a "home game" against Mayo (who are so good in Croke Park) in Croke Park would have been madness. But just because it was clearly the right decision to do it for Mayo, doesn't mean it'll be right all the time. They'd be throwing away an advantage in fan numbers. "Home advantage" should be used in whatever way the home team wants. Although the results of this week's games would be crucial to that decision (e.g if Kildare lose and Galway win, then Newbridge might be the right answer, but if it was the opposite then I'm not sure it would), whereas I think now venues are expected to be released today or tomorrow.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2018, 11:04:15 AM
It will be interesting if they commit to Newbridge for Game 2. Playing a "home game" against Mayo (who are so good in Croke Park) in Croke Park would have been madness. But just because it was clearly the right decision to do it for Mayo, doesn't mean it'll be right all the time. They'd be throwing away an advantage in fan numbers. "Home advantage" should be used in whatever way the home team wants. Although the results of this week's games would be crucial to that decision (e.g if Kildare lose and Galway win, then Newbridge might be the right answer, but if it was the opposite then I'm not sure it would), whereas I think now venues are expected to be released today or tomorrow.
If KCB agree to move our home game out of the county they will have a rebellion on their hands and rightly so.
(http://files.hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/inpho_01393579%20(1).jpg)
To be honest, despite losing to Kildare in round 3, I think (hope) Kildare fans will come out en masse like they did a few years ago - given the galvanising effect that week had on them.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
If KCB agree to move our home game out of the county they will have a rebellion on their hands and rightly so.
That's interesting. If Kildare beat Monghan, you think it would still be best to play Galway in Newbridge with 4,000 tickets for Kildare and 4,000 for Galway? Versus, say Portlaoise which could end up with over 15,000 Kildare supporters and maybe 5 or 6,000 from Galway?
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2018, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 11, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
If KCB agree to move our home game out of the county they will have a rebellion on their hands and rightly so.
That's interesting. If Kildare beat Monghan, you think it would still be best to play Galway in Newbridge with 4,000 tickets for Kildare and 4,000 for Galway? Versus, say Portlaoise which could end up with over 15,000 Kildare supporters and maybe 5 or 6,000 from Galway?
The game will be Newbridge without a shadow of a doubt. The correct place for it.
Lads it ended up looking fairly 50/50 to me in Newbridge v Mayo who are one of the best supported teams around so you would imagine we would have a majority v Galway.
Plus it was some buzz around the town and those days were lost for years and all the money that goes with it.
But Monaghan first obviously and I have a feeling they will push us harder than Galway. I have no reason why.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 11, 2018, 11:43:44 AM
Lads it ended up looking fairly 50/50 to me in Newbridge v Mayo who are one of the best supported teams around so you would imagine we would have a majority v Galway.
Plus it was some buzz around the town and those days were lost for years and all the money that goes with it.
But Monaghan first obviously and I have a feeling they will push us harder than Galway. I have no reason why.
They'll have a little more time to organise it this time, so I'd imagine all will be distributed to the two county boards (50/50) and there'll be no general sale. Maybe Galway won't take up their full allocation, but I'd say they will.
Monaghan will definitely push Kildare. The Ulstermen are 2 point favourites with the bookies.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 11, 2018, 11:43:44 AM
Lads it ended up looking fairly 50/50 to me in Newbridge v Mayo who are one of the best supported teams around so you would imagine we would have a majority v Galway.
Plus it was some buzz around the town and those days were lost for years and all the money that goes with it.
But Monaghan first obviously and I have a feeling they will push us harder than Galway. I have no reason why.
seems like an obvious thing to say but the results against Monaghan will determine our mindset against Galway. You never get anything easy off Monaghan. Some hardy boyo's with no lack of football throughout. Not to mention the audacious talent of Conor McManus. He's an absolute pleasure to watch. IMO the best forward in the country.
Quote from: Schkite on July 10, 2018, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
Is anyone giving Monaghan a chance? Everyone in the media seems to be tipping Kildare apart from Dick Clerkin which is odd as Monaghan are favourites with the bookies.
I really haven't a clue who'll win this, could make a case for either team.
From a Monaghan perspective, this build up couldn't be better. It seems like ALL the talk is about Kildare, they're being talked up as semi final dark horses and seem to be the media darling after coming out on top with the Newbridge fiasco and then overcoming Mayo. Meanwhile we haven't been on telly once over the qualifiers so nobody has passed any remarks on us.
Now we haven't really been tested yet in the back door so hard to draw any conclusions from that, and Kildare are back on form so will be more dangerous than a couple of months ago, but I think we're in a good place for this game.
Kildare may well win the match but I agree that its perfectly set up for Monaghan. The Mayo result could well be a turning point for them as they do have a lot of good players but Mayo have been on the ropes in the qualifiers for the last 18 months and it could have ended the week before for them if they'd not scored a fortunate goal. Kildare's record against the top teams is crap, prior to beating Mayo when was the last time they beat anyone of note?
I said this about the other group too but one win might see a team though to the semi's if Kerry win all 3 games whilst Monagahan beat Kildare, Kildare beat Galway then Galway beat Monaghan in week 3.
Quote from: mup on July 11, 2018, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 11, 2018, 11:43:44 AM
Lads it ended up looking fairly 50/50 to me in Newbridge v Mayo who are one of the best supported teams around so you would imagine we would have a majority v Galway.
Plus it was some buzz around the town and those days were lost for years and all the money that goes with it.
But Monaghan first obviously and I have a feeling they will push us harder than Galway. I have no reason why.
seems like an obvious thing to say but the results against Monaghan will determine our mindset against Galway. You never get anything easy off Monaghan. Some hardy boyo's with no lack of football throughout. Not to mention the audacious talent of Conor McManus. He's an absolute pleasure to watch. IMO the best forward in the country.
Apparently wasn't considered good enough to make the Monaghan minor team when he was that age! (According to the nordie lad (Conal/Conan?) on the GAA hour).
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2018, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: mup on July 11, 2018, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 11, 2018, 11:43:44 AM
Lads it ended up looking fairly 50/50 to me in Newbridge v Mayo who are one of the best supported teams around so you would imagine we would have a majority v Galway.
Plus it was some buzz around the town and those days were lost for years and all the money that goes with it.
But Monaghan first obviously and I have a feeling they will push us harder than Galway. I have no reason why.
seems like an obvious thing to say but the results against Monaghan will determine our mindset against Galway. You never get anything easy off Monaghan. Some hardy boyo's with no lack of football throughout. Not to mention the audacious talent of Conor McManus. He's an absolute pleasure to watch. IMO the best forward in the country.
Apparently wasn't considered good enough to make the Monaghan minor team when he was that age! (According to the nordie lad (Conal/Conan?) on the GAA hour).
This is true, McManus didn't make the match day panel in 05. Darren Hughes wouldn't have made the team either for that matter only the goalie dropped out at the last minute and Darren filled in as he had a good kick. 2 years later McManus came on in the Ulster senior final against Tyrone, and Darren played a part that year too.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2018, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: mup on July 11, 2018, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 11, 2018, 11:43:44 AM
Lads it ended up looking fairly 50/50 to me in Newbridge v Mayo who are one of the best supported teams around so you would imagine we would have a majority v Galway.
Plus it was some buzz around the town and those days were lost for years and all the money that goes with it.
But Monaghan first obviously and I have a feeling they will push us harder than Galway. I have no reason why.
seems like an obvious thing to say but the results against Monaghan will determine our mindset against Galway. You never get anything easy off Monaghan. Some hardy boyo's with no lack of football throughout. Not to mention the audacious talent of Conor McManus. He's an absolute pleasure to watch. IMO the best forward in the country.
Apparently wasn't considered good enough to make the Monaghan minor team when he was that age! (According to the nordie lad (Conal/Conan?) on the GAA hour).
He started with Monaghan playing at wing back. Some of the man to kick points with right foot from right side of the field.
From the outside looking in I think people are running away with themselves regarding Kildare. They've improved immeasurably but i still Monaghan will win this by 2-4 points.
Leinster's great white hype.
Looks like we'll be having a Tyrone v Monaghan All Ireland Final ::)
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2018, 11:14:25 AM
Leinster's great white hype.
You should know all about hype after last year.
It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Who is overhyping Monaghan? It's just a response to all the media talk being about Kildare. Or maybe you agree with Bolton that it should be an easy win this weekend.
There's certainly a lot more hype around Kildare than Monaghan this week, the written press and podcasts are full of people talking up Kildare whilst Monaghan have barely been mentioned.
Quote from: Schkite on July 12, 2018, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Who is overhyping Monaghan? It's just a response to all the media talk being about Kildare. Or maybe you agree with Bolton that it should be an easy win this weekend.
Nope it's just an observation that supporters/media from Ulster over hype Ulster teams. How did all that Tyrone hype work out for them last year?
Emmet is excited but he also put a caveat on his analysis, 'IF' Kildare got an early goal or two he could see Kildare winning by 5 points or more. Otherwise he felt the Monagahan inside line could be the difference.
Majority of Kildare fans are expecting an arm wrestle, the core are happy to see this Kildare team play to their abilities, personally I think the draw might be the value bet or Monaghan on the handicap.
Kildare unfortunately can't control the media narrative, it's a good story though, couldn't buy a win in 12 months, reach the pits of despair with Carlow defeat, The Kerry Mafia sticking the knife into O'Neill, followed by wins in Derry and Longford, #newbridgeornowhere, redemption against Mayo, blow defensive Fermanagh apart. Losing to Monaghan will kill it dead though, nothing like sport to bring you back to earth. For the media and sales Kildare are a better story than Monaghan who are a good team but no romance.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
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It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Who is overhyping Monaghan? It's just a response to all the media talk being about Kildare. Or maybe you agree with Bolton that it should be an easy win this weekend.
Nope it's just an observation that supporters/media from Ulster over hype Ulster teams. How did all that Tyrone hype work out for them last year?
Emmet is excited but he also put a caveat on his analysis, 'IF' Kildare got an early goal or two he could see Kildare winning by 5 points or more. Otherwise he felt the Monagahan inside line could be the difference.
Majority of Kildare fans are expecting an arm wrestle, the core are happy to see this Kildare team play to their abilities, personally I think the draw might be the value bet or Monaghan on the handicap.
Kildare unfortunately can't control the media narrative, it's a good story though, couldn't buy a win in 12 months, reach the pits of despair with Carlow defeat, The Kerry Mafia sticking the knife into O'Neill, followed by wins in Derry and Longford, #newbridgeornowhere, redemption against Mayo, blow defensive Fermanagh apart. Losing to Monaghan will kill it dead though, nothing like sport to bring you back to earth. For the media and sales Kildare are a better story than Monaghan who are a good team but no romance.
Tbf I kinda agree with you about Tyrone last year. I just thought Bolton was just a bit too excitable in his prediction, 5-10 pts is quite a claim. And getting 2 early goals on us is easier said than done(unless you're Dublin...).
I can understand the media being more enthralled with Kildare right now given how things have gone since the Newbridge saga, and we haven't been seen on TV live since the Fermanagh disaster. But the media are just going a bit over the top for my liking. For what it's worth, I was a bit surprised to see us open up as 8/13 favorites. It's one of those that's 50/50 really but I'm sure both teams and sets of supporters are full sure that their team will do it. Should be a cracking day.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 12, 2018, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Who is overhyping Monaghan? It's just a response to all the media talk being about Kildare. Or maybe you agree with Bolton that it should be an easy win this weekend.
Nope it's just an observation that supporters/media from Ulster over hype Ulster teams. How did all that Tyrone hype work out for them last year?
Emmet is excited but he also put a caveat on his analysis, 'IF' Kildare got an early goal or two he could see Kildare winning by 5 points or more. Otherwise he felt the Monagahan inside line could be the difference.
Majority of Kildare fans are expecting an arm wrestle, the core are happy to see this Kildare team play to their abilities, personally I think the draw might be the value bet or Monaghan on the handicap.
Kildare unfortunately can't control the media narrative, it's a good story though, couldn't buy a win in 12 months, reach the pits of despair with Carlow defeat, The Kerry Mafia sticking the knife into O'Neill, followed by wins in Derry and Longford, #newbridgeornowhere, redemption against Mayo, blow defensive Fermanagh apart. Losing to Monaghan will kill it dead though, nothing like sport to bring you back to earth. For the media and sales Kildare are a better story than Monaghan who are a good team but no romance.
I was talking to a Dub this week who has been involved ad-hoc and says Kildare are like a new team since the Newbridge thing. Said their previous preparations and application were no different to Dublin but obviously were under a cloud with the 12 month losing streak. Best of luck them Sunday.
Quote from: Schkite on July 12, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
It's one of those that's 50/50 really but I'm sure both teams and sets of supporters are full sure that their team will do it. Should be a cracking day.
Anyone who has watched this Kildare group in Croke Park in recent years will be travelling more in hope than expectation. The football just seems to drain out of them up there for whatever reason. That said, it's a long time since Kildare have hit Croke Park with such strong performances behind them so hopefully that will give the lads belief.
There was only a point between the teams in the league and this should be close again. I worry about Feely's fitness. I get the impression that if it was a lesser player on the panel carrying such a knock, he wouldn't be starting.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 12, 2018, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Who is overhyping Monaghan? It's just a response to all the media talk being about Kildare. Or maybe you agree with Bolton that it should be an easy win this weekend.
Nope it's just an observation that supporters/media from Ulster over hype Ulster teams. How did all that Tyrone hype work out for them last year? .....
The dreaded strawman's argument response.
Basically you're spreading some good ol' fashioned ulster whataboutery manure which has absolutely no relevance to Monaghan.
Even the Dubs are hyping up you guys now :) And now we have Emmet flying his kite with delusions of a possibility of Kildare scoring a goal or two in the first 5 minutes and waltzing away with the game ;D
Monaghan beating Kildare would be an act of mercy, methinks.
Quote from: Main Street on July 13, 2018, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 12, 2018, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 12, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
It always amuses me at how supporters from Ulster counties really over rate their championships and teams from their province. Connacht use to be like that then their counties got good.
Who is overhyping Monaghan? It's just a response to all the media talk being about Kildare. Or maybe you agree with Bolton that it should be an easy win this weekend.
Nope it's just an observation that supporters/media from Ulster over hype Ulster teams. How did all that Tyrone hype work out for them last year? .....
The dreaded strawman's argument response.
Basically you're spreading some good ol' fashioned ulster whataboutery manure which has absolutely no relevance to Monaghan.
Even the Dubs are hyping up you guys now :) And now we have Emmet flying his kite with delusions of a possibility of Kildare scoring a goal or two in the first 5 minutes and waltzing away with the game ;D
Monaghan beating Kildare would be an act of mercy, methinks.
Must be hard to be from Monaghan craving attention from the Dublin media. Pick me! Pick me! Pick Me!
If Kildare don't score two goals in the first 5 minutes, their heads will surely drop.
Is this Emmet Ryan who used to do the YouTube videos years ago? Where does he give his thoughts now?
Kildare being talked up an awful lot in the media this week which always makes me wary. How much of it though is recency bias as the win over Mayo especially is fresh in the memory. Monaghan seem perfectly suited to accepting the role of party poopers. Spilling beer on the carpet, puking on the new sofa and shifting your bird.
I see the Kildare forum is fairly subdued as I think Kildare supporters are far less confident than what is being reported.
It can't be helped if people want to talk about us and Monaghan have not been on TV so the general public can't judge them and then there is the caveat of the teams who they played.
I am calling it 51/49% in favour of Kildare. IF we really blast from the traps we can win but Monaghan can move too.
Conditions forecasted are not good.
Means a lot mistakes. Accuracy will be key. That favours Monaghan.
After Roscommon yesterday who would be a similar level to Kildare I am quite fearful for Kildare as well on that regard.
Regardless looking forward to it, imagine the atmosphere if it was in Navan!!
Best of luck to both teams.
A bit of a greasy top is as bad as it'll be Dinny?
Any Kildare station braodcasting the match that will be picked up in Croker? Northern Sound and Nudie will hardly make it that far and surely RTE will concentrate mainly on the hurling.
Looks like the going will be good to soft, Dinny.
What a goal by Flynn!!
Another bugbear of mine.
In the event of a jersey clash, toss a coin so that ONE team can play in their regular gear.
White vs. blue would be a bit easier on the eye than dark green vs. blue.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Another bugbear of mine.
In the event of a jersey clash, toss a coin so that ONE team can play in their regular gear.
White vs. blue would be a bit easier on the eye than dark green vs. blue.
Agree fully.
Can't see how it's an advantage for anyone to play with colour clashes like this.
Goal of the season there surely. Some good stuff so far.
Since when does Beggan balls up kick outs?
Jerseys are annoying me >:(
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 15, 2018, 02:15:20 PM
Jerseys are annoying me >:(
Only in Ireland could you change a kit clash to alternate jerseys that clash more.
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Jerseys are annoying me >:(
Just brain dead stuff.
surely somebody somewhere would have had the cop-on to say it's a toss of a coin as to who wears white, and the next time you play in championship the other team can wear it.
Monaghan moved up a gear here. Fancy them to pull away now. Kildare will need more goals.
Monaghan well set up and that little bit more streetwise to keep Kildare at arm's length here. Lilies attacking approach waaaay too slow.
Monaghan finding scores easier to come by because they are up against a weaker defence. The goal a moment of individual brilliant is keeping Kildare in this game just 3 points from play shows they are struggling to break down a blanket and that is nothing new for Kildare.
Canavan said the goal was a mis-hit and he didnt mean it :o
Thought it was a super finish.
It was a strange finish.
Flynn is a racehorse but he doesn't have much finesse.
It was the kicking action of a man going for a point, as bizarre as that may seem.
The game has becoming more scrappy i think it might suit Kildare better.
I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here. Thought it was a class finish. No way was he going for a point from there.
Monaghan have gotten very ragged.
Weather conditions not helping but this game has turned into a real dogfight.
Score?
Monaghan 0-15 Kildare 1-10
Poor 2nd half only 11 scores. Monaghan the better side built on a better defence. Thats the momentum of Kildare now stopped and next week will be their 5th game in 5 weeks and against Galway playing their first game today for 4 weeks.
10 scores only in the second half
The fears come true, conditions made ball handling difficult and suited a grizzled Monaghan defence, who then were more clinical on turnovers.
Experience won that game. No complaints.
Flynn meant it, it's what he does. Anthony Nolan should not be allowed referee inter county. Just a shit ref period.
A very tight tactical game, Monaghan, after a poor 3rd quarter finished the stronger when it really mattered and edged the game
Kildare, very good in some parts, perhaps it's the bias talking but I thought Monaghan were the better all round outfit.
Monaghan were there for the taking 2nd half but Kildare weren't good enough to do it. It will be no easier now for Kildare against Kerry and Galway next. Kerry in Clones with help but Monaghan need to work hard on their rest and recovery this week as their fatigue was there to been seen 2nd half and a fresher Kerry will look to exploit that.
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
A very tight tactical game, Monaghan, after a poor 3rd quarter finished the stronger when it really mattered and edged the game
Kildare, very good in some parts, perhaps it's the bias talking but I thought Monaghan were the better all round outfit.
Agree Dinny but he was poor for both, thought his linesmen could have helped him more , once in each half Kildare handled ball in the ground and he let it go .
Thought Kearns had his best game yet for Monaghan, it took balls to go for his 2nd point when the game was in the mixer
Was back at the end with a crucial turnover
Too many wides though
Kerry in Clones will be balls to the wall stuff
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Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
A very tight tactical game, Monaghan, after a poor 3rd quarter finished the stronger when it really mattered and edged the game
Kildare, very good in some parts, perhaps it's the bias talking but I thought Monaghan were the better all round outfit.
Agree Dinny but he was poor for both, thought his linesmen could have helped him more , once in each half Kildare handled ball in the ground and he let it go .
Thought Kearns had his best game yet for Monaghan, it took balls to go for his 2nd point when the game was in the mixer
Was back at the end with a crucial turnover
Too many wides though
Kerry in Clones will be balls to the wall stuff
Sorry meant for both. 2 weeks in a row I have seen him. Today in the flesh.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 15, 2018, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on July 15, 2018, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 15, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
A very tight tactical game, Monaghan, after a poor 3rd quarter finished the stronger when it really mattered and edged the game
Kildare, very good in some parts, perhaps it's the bias talking but I thought Monaghan were the better all round outfit.
Agree Dinny but he was poor for both, thought his linesmen could have helped him more , once in each half Kildare handled ball in the ground and he let it go .
Thought Kearns had his best game yet for Monaghan, it took balls to go for his 2nd point when the game was in the mixer
Was back at the end with a crucial turnover
Too many wides though
Kerry in Clones will be balls to the wall stuff
Sorry meant for both. 2 weeks in a row I have seen him. Today in the flesh.
He was brutal. Penalised Monaghan for steps early on and then let kildare away with it on numerous occasions. All we ask for is consistency
Great win, all about just getting over the line on a day like that so we'll be happy enough even if it was a bit ugly!
Pretty wasteful in the second half so that will have to be improved on, but key players stepped up when needed. O'Connell was brilliant, Beggan played a big part and was nerveless with that insurance point at the end, and McManus kept the attack ticking over. Drew made a couple of big interceptions and put his body on the line, and K Hughes made a good contribution off the bench later on, hopefully he'll be fit for a bigger role next week. I was also very impressed with Kearns, great composure for a young lad, he's been the find of the season for Monaghan.
This was always going to be a massive game, as the loser has their backs against the wall from the start. But now we can relax a little and enjoy welcoming Kerry to Clones, knowing that we still have another crack at the semis a couple of weeks later in Galway even if it doesn't go our way next week.
Quote from: Schkite on July 15, 2018, 04:18:39 PM
Great win, all about just getting over the line on a day like that so we'll be happy enough even if it was a bit ugly!
Pretty wasteful in the second half so that will have to be improved on, but key players stepped up when needed. O'Connell was brilliant, Beggan played a big part and was nerveless with that insurance point at the end, and McManus kept the attack ticking over. Drew made a couple of big interceptions and put his body on the line, and K Hughes made a good contribution off the bench later on, hopefully he'll be fit for a bigger role next week. I was also very impressed with Kearns, great composure for a young lad, he's been the find of the season for Monaghan.
This was always going to be a massive game, as the loser has their backs against the wall from the start. But now we can relax a little and enjoy welcoming Kerry to Clones, knowing that we still have another crack at the semis a couple of weeks later in Galway even if it doesn't go our way next week.
Yeah, all that wastefulness by Monaghan in the 2nd half just wasn't punished by Kildare who were even more wasteful - perhaps the conditions accounted for some.
Emmet Dalton's hope for an early Kildare goal and a 5 point cushion at the end was eventually thwarted at the pass :)
It was a good tight game with some excellent scores. Conditions weren't great so was never going to be free flowing.
It was a far better game for the conditions than the muck that followed. Can see Monaghan beating Kerry who struggled for long periods today.
Karl O'Connell was class today and his raids really fecked up Kildare.
No complaints as there were so many brain farts for Kildare.
Too many lads failed to show up, but Monaghan stopped a lot of them. P Cribbin never got into it and then Brophy had a nightmare.
Feely isn't 100% and he was struggling far too early to be fully fit.
Annoying how Kildare didn't hit D Flynn more often...
Why did they not toss for home colors?
Those two strips were far too alike.
The Leinster final wasn't much better with Dublin and Laois.
4 wins out of our last 16 visits to Croke Park and none since 2016.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
Karl O'Connell was class today and his raids really fecked up Kildare.
No complaints as there were so many brain farts for Kildare.
Too many lads failed to show up, but Monaghan stopped a lot of them. P Cribbin never got into it and then Brophy had a nightmare.
Feely isn't 100% and he was struggling far too early to be fully fit.
Annoying how Kildare didn't hit D Flynn more often...
Karl O'Connell was regularly left as a free man, how and why is mind boggling. Many aspects of the Kildare performance was reminiscent of the Carlow game. Overplaying the ball into traffic, reluctance to take on shooting opportunities and lack of any attempt at stopping Monaghan carrying the ball into shooting areas. Monaghan were far more aggressive all over the pitch and were fairly filthy off the ball which they do well, I will enjoy it whenever Kildare get their act together and actually beat them at some stage. I didn't stay for the second game.
On another note the traffic up for the game was very bad, why I don't know.
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Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 15, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
Karl O'Connell was class today and his raids really fecked up Kildare.
No complaints as there were so many brain farts for Kildare.
Too many lads failed to show up, but Monaghan stopped a lot of them. P Cribbin never got into it and then Brophy had a nightmare.
Feely isn't 100% and he was struggling far too early to be fully fit.
Annoying how Kildare didn't hit D Flynn more often...
Karl O'Connell was regularly left as a free man, how and why is mind boggling. Many aspects of the Kildare performance was reminiscent of the Carlow game. Overplaying the ball into traffic, reluctance to take on shooting opportunities and lack of any attempt at stopping Monaghan carrying the ball into shooting areas. Monaghan were far more aggressive all over the pitch and were fairly filthy off the ball which they do well, I will enjoy it whenever Kildare get their act together and actually beat them at some stage. I didn't stay for the second game.
On another note the traffic up for the game was very bad, why I don't know.
Thought monaghan were 4 or 5 points better but made hard work of it. They'll give up goals which will ultimately be their downfall. I thought the game was poor enough until i then saw the 2nd game which was a lot worse. Kildare can beat Galway in Newbridge if they keep their heads and monaghan kerry in clones should be a cracking game. This group is well set up.
Kildare will need to improve a lot to compete with Galway and pray for no more rain. I agree Monaghan should have won by more, if they were a bit more accurate in the 3rd quarter they would have.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 15, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Monaghan were far more aggressive all over the pitch and were fairly filthy off the ball which they do well
Be careful, the Monaghan boys here don't take criticism of their brave boys well.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 15, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Monaghan were far more aggressive all over the pitch and were fairly filthy off the ball which they do well
Be careful, the Monaghan boys here don't take criticism of their brave boys well.
Oh give over - some young one (with obvious good taste) rejected you years ago and you still haven't got over it. There was only one incident of note and it happened right in front of me - clearly accidental clash and thankfully both recovered to play on.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2018, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 15, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Monaghan were far more aggressive all over the pitch and were fairly filthy off the ball which they do well
Be careful, the Monaghan boys here don't take criticism of their brave boys well.
I think you'll find that most supporters will defend their counties, blindly or not. Now, as you were told before, go away and troll elsewhere: www.IQlessthaneight.com/forum springs to mind.
A gritty performance by both teams. I thought Kildare were niaive and carried far too much ball into contact, which attributed to the physical nature of the game and the amount of turnovers. The Kildare lads were standing up too and are physically well able for it as far as I can seen. It therefore surprises me to hear the amount of criticism of Monaghan's tactics. Believe me, Monaghan are not the dirtiest of teams, and they're not nearly as physical as they used to be in the Banty era. Eoin Duffy's trip was silly and I'd say he realizes that this morning. I wish Kildare success and have enjoyed their 'uprising' this year but you need to learn that this is division 1 knockout football, complaining about teams being dirty each etc. will become onerous..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 16, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
A gritty performance by both teams. I thought Kildare were niaive and carried far too much ball into contact, which attributed to the physical nature of the game and the amount of turnovers. The Kildare lads were standing up too and are physically well able for it as far as I can seen. It therefore surprises me to hear the amount of criticism of Monaghan's tactics. Believe me, Monaghan are not the dirtiest of teams, and they're not nearly as physical as they used to be in the Banty era. Eoin Duffy's trip was silly and I'd say he realizes that this morning. I wish Kildare success and have enjoyed their 'uprising' this year but you need to learn that this is division 1 knockout football, complaining about teams being dirty each etc. will become onerous..
I agree, Kerry were the filthiest team yesterday of the 4 teams.
In some mitigation for the naughty Owen Duffy, he had just been battered in the tackle by 2 players before being disspossed.
I can't figure out the rational each ref used in the 4 games over the weekend, to distinguish between a legal tackle on a player in possession being pummelled by 2 or 3 players and an illegal tackle on a player in possession being pummelled by 2 or 3 players.
I suppose that's it, the rational each ref used.. The implementation of the rules is extremely subjective, in most sports. Some refs are less formal and are looser in their interpretation, which I don't mind at all. Consistency, as you say, is lacking. In saying all that however an intercom to team should be able to work it out within the first 10/15 mins and adapt accordingly.
The Jerseys were a disaster!...Even on the radio they were giving out!
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 16, 2018, 03:02:30 PM
I suppose that's it, the rational each ref used.. The implementation of the rules is extremely subjective, in most sports. Some refs are less formal and are looser in their interpretation, which I don't mind at all. Consistency, as you say, is lacking. In saying all that however an intercom to team should be able to work it out within the first 10/15 mins and adapt accordingly.
i am more referring to the inconsistency within each ref's own interpretation of the swarm tackle, for instance the ref would penalise the Rossies then allow the Tyrone swarm, to my viewing both sides' swarm tackles were fouls.
In our game the ref swung both ways with erratic decisions, fortunately (brave enough) to swing our way near the end when the game was still in the balance :)
Have to say I didn't think Monaghan were particularly dirty. They were horrible to play against, all right, but that's not the same as dirty. It's the last eight of the competition, if you can't handle good tackling and verbals, you're not going to last long.
It came down to the last five minutes, or less. Kildare were more than capable of getting at least a draw, but Monaghan kicked a couple of great pressure scores, while Kildare made a few mistakes. Of all the 8 teams from the first round of games, I think Kildare will have learnt most.