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Title: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on September 06, 2017, 01:44:28 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:

(a) 1. An Cabhán V 2. Doire (Newbridge, Castledawson, Foreglen, Faughanvale)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha V 5. Dún na nGall (Aodh Ruadh, Buncrana, Cloughaneely, Milford, Glenfin, Naomh Naul, Naomh Columba, Fanad)

(c) 6. Aontroim (Moneyglass, Dunloy, St Brigid's, All Saints) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor, Annaclone)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross, Aughnamullen, Inniskeen, Tyholland, Toome, Emyvale)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Maguiresbridge, Belcoo, Lisnaskea, Donagh) V (a) An Cabhán / Doire

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields, Lisburn)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha V 5. Doire

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum, Bright) V 7. Fear Manach (Coa, Brookeborough, Belnaleck, Aughadrumsee)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain V 9. Muineachán (Currin, Sean McDermott's)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Letterkenny Gaels, Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs, Convoy) V (a) An Cabhán / Aontroim

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on September 18, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
Any more updates on these competitions over the past few weekends?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on September 18, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
Armagh intermediate QFs tonight

Keady v Silverbridge
Forkhill v Middletown

St Paul's and Killeavy already through to semi finals.

Junior SFs next week
Corringshego v Cross II
Ballyhegan v winners of Cullyhanna II/Belleeks
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 18, 2017, 02:11:39 PM
Tyrone only at the IFC QF stages, the picture will begin to come clear from next week regarding potential winners
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Jimmy on September 18, 2017, 03:42:17 PM
Derry Intermediate Final this Saturday, Newbridge v Faughanvale.

Derry Junior semi-finals this Saturday, Doire Trasna v Ogra Colmcille and Glack v Limavady.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: CC1 on September 18, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
Cavan JFC Semi Finals:
Knockbride vs Ballymachugh; Drumalee vs Shannon Gaels

Cavan IFC Final:
Shercock vs Ballyhaise or Belturbet
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2017, 06:02:10 PM
Cavan Junior Champions:
Knockbride-Ballymachugh-Drumalee-Shannon Gaels

Cavan Intermediate Champions:
Shercock-Ballyhaise-Belturbet
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on September 22, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock/Ballyhaise) V 2. Doire (Newbridge)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (St Paul's, Killeavy, Keady, Silverbridge, Forkhill, Middletown) V 5. Dún na nGall (Aodh Ruadh, Buncrana, Cloughaneely, Milford, Glenfin, Naomh Naul, Naomh Columba, Fanad)

(c) 6. Aontroim (Moneyglass, Dunloy, St Brigid's, All Saints) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor, Annaclone)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross, Aughnamullen, Inniskeen, Tyholland, Toome, Emyvale)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Maguiresbridge, Belcoo, Lisnaskea, Donagh) V (a) An Cabhán / Doire

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh/Drumalee) V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields, Lisburn)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Corrinshego, Cullyhanna II's, Ballyhegan) V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna, Limavady, Ogra Colmcille, Glack)

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum, Bright) V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain V 9. Muineachán (Currin, Sean McDermott's)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Letterkenny Gaels, Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs, Convoy) V (a) An Cabhán / Aontroim

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on September 24, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
Just a point re Armagh JFC, neither Cullyhanna nor Cross IIs can represent Armagh in Ulster if they win the championship
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: CC1 on September 24, 2017, 07:30:37 PM
Cavan IFC Final:
Shercock vs Ballyhaise

Cavan JFC Final:
Ballymachugh vs Drumalee
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: T Fearon on September 24, 2017, 07:40:29 PM
Got to support my nephew,playing for Annaclone in Down IFC Final.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: ardchieftain on September 24, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
Corrinshego beat Crossmaglen 2nds in Armagh junior semi final. The other semi final between Cullyhanna 2nds and Ballyhegan takes place this friday.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: FermGael on September 24, 2017, 08:37:33 PM
Belnaleck won the junior on Friday night and Belcoo the intermediate on Saturday night in Fermanagh over the weekend
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on September 25, 2017, 01:39:10 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:

(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock/Ballyhaise) V 2. Doire (Newbridge)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (St Paul's, Killeavy, Silverbridge, Forkhill) V 5. Dún na nGall (Milford, Naomh Naul, Fanad)

(c) 6. Aontroim (Moneyglass, Dunloy, St Brigid's, All Saints) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor, Annaclone)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Moy, Gortin, Derrylaughan, Aghyaran) V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross, Aughnamullen)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Belcoo) V (a) An Cabhán / Doire

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh/Drumalee) V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields, Lisburn)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:


(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Corrinshego, Cullyhanna II's, Ballyhegan) V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna, Limavady, Ogra Colmcille, Glack)

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum, Bright) V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Clogher/Tattyreagh/Owen Roes/Clann na Gael) V 9. Muineachán (Currin, Sean McDermott's)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs) V (a) An Cabhán / Aontroim

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Boycey on September 25, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Monaghan IFC is down to the 1st two on that list
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on September 25, 2017, 03:30:06 PM
Armagh IFC semis

Killeavy v St. Paul's
Silverbridge v Forkhill

JFC final
Corringshego v Ballyhegan/Cullyhanna II
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 26, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
Is there an Ulster SFC Club thread?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: J70 on October 01, 2017, 05:43:49 AM
St. Nauls v Milford in Donegal IFC final.

Kilcar v Glenties in senior (Goath Dobhair, filled with county men, led by six against Glenties at the break but ended up losing by a point in their semi)
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: befair on October 01, 2017, 06:19:38 PM
Does every county have a different rule on what constitutes an intermediate team? Or is there some central guidance?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: mrdeeds on October 01, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
Ballymachugh won junior in Cavan and Shercock intermediate.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on October 01, 2017, 07:34:49 PM
Does every county have a different rule on what constitutes an intermediate team? Or is there some central guidance?

Discretionary per county
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Boycey on October 01, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
Currin will be Monaghan’s representatives in the JFC..
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: J70 on October 01, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
Does every county have a different rule on what constitutes an intermediate team? Or is there some central guidance?

There's probably junior teams in Dublin could compete in senior in some counties!

Just like a premier division team from Ireland isn't going to cut it in the English Premier League.

I would imagine in most counties is the X number of best teams player senior, next X teams intermediate and so on.

The standard will be influenced by playing population, underage development etc.

Not sure what central guidance there could be, beyond suggesting a common format for splitting the teams into the categories.

You can't really have some objective standard of what constitutes a team fit to play senior or intermediate level beyond the ranking system within the county itself.

I'm sure there are teams in the Armagh senior championship that would struggle elsewhere, despite the national dominance of Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 03, 2017, 05:11:25 PM
Tyrone IFC Moy v Derrylaughan

Tyrone JFC: Tattyreagh v Clogher

Finals to be played this Sunday 8th October
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on October 04, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock) V 2. Doire (Newbridge)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Killeavy, Silverbridge) V 5. Dún na nGall (Milford, Naomh Naul)

(c) 6. Aontroim (Dunloy, St Brigid's) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor, Annaclone)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Moy, Derrylaughan) V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross, Aughnamullen)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Belcoo) V (a) An Cabhán / Doire

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh) V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Corrinshego, Ballyhegan) V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna, Limavady)

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum, Bright) V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Clogher/Tattyreagh) V 9. Muineachán (Currin)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs) V (a) An Cabhán / Aontroim

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: befair on October 04, 2017, 05:03:55 PM
Does every county have a different rule on what constitutes an intermediate team? Or is there some central guidance?

There's probably junior teams in Dublin could compete in senior in some counties!

Just like a premier division team from Ireland isn't going to cut it in the English Premier League.

I would imagine in most counties is the X number of best teams player senior, next X teams intermediate and so on.

The standard will be influenced by playing population, underage development etc.

Not sure what central guidance there could be, beyond suggesting a common format for splitting the teams into the categories.

You can't really have some objective standard of what constitutes a team fit to play senior or intermediate level beyond the ranking system within the county itself.

I'm sure there are teams in the Armagh senior championship that would struggle elsewhere, despite the national dominance of Crossmaglen.

It just seems so arbitrary; some counties can dominate the intermediate club championship by having smaller numbers in their senior championship. Accept it's difficult to moderate though
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: J70 on October 09, 2017, 01:24:04 AM
Milford beat St Nauls 2-11 to 0-12 in Donegal intermediate final. Close second half with Milford sealing it with last minute goal.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: thewobbler on October 09, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
Does every county have a different rule on what constitutes an intermediate team? Or is there some central guidance?

There's probably junior teams in Dublin could compete in senior in some counties!

Just like a premier division team from Ireland isn't going to cut it in the English Premier League.

I would imagine in most counties is the X number of best teams player senior, next X teams intermediate and so on.

The standard will be influenced by playing population, underage development etc.

Not sure what central guidance there could be, beyond suggesting a common format for splitting the teams into the categories.

You can't really have some objective standard of what constitutes a team fit to play senior or intermediate level beyond the ranking system within the county itself.

I'm sure there are teams in the Armagh senior championship that would struggle elsewhere, despite the national dominance of Crossmaglen.

It just seems so arbitrary; some counties can dominate the intermediate club championship by having smaller numbers in their senior championship. Accept it's difficult to moderate though

The last 10 years of the IFC has thrown up winners from Down, Tyrone, Cavan, Derry, Fermanagh and Monaghan.


Arbitrary or not, that’s a wonderfully even spread and would suggest that most counties are entering teams at the same level.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on October 09, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock) V 2. Doire (Newbridge)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Killeavy, Silverbridge) V 5. Dún na nGall (Milford)

(c) 6. Aontroim (Dunloy, St Brigid's) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Moy) V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross, Aughnamullen)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Belcoo) V (a) An Cabhán / Doire

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh) V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Ballyhegan) V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna, Limavady)

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum) V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Tattyreagh) V 9. Muineachán (Currin)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs) V (a) An Cabhán / Aontroim

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:


(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: heganboy on October 09, 2017, 03:20:02 PM
Ballyhegan: Armagh junior champions!
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Orior on October 09, 2017, 03:53:36 PM
Ballyhegan: Armagh junior champions!

Congrats! Not a apple picked all week. Not a glass of wine sipped in Richhill, nor Loughgall, nor Kilmore either.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Boycey on October 09, 2017, 06:48:08 PM
Carrickmacross are Monaghan IFC champions
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: T Fearon on October 10, 2017, 08:22:24 AM
Anyone else think Ballyhegan,the club of Noel Marley,Paul Mc Grane and Paddy Mc Keever,even being in the Junior Championship is a shame? I remember them beating the great Clan Na Gael team in a meaningless league fixture in the mid 70s,and there wasn't a cow milked in Ballyhegan for a month!
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 10, 2017, 09:29:19 AM
Anyone else think Ballyhegan,the club of Noel Marley,Paul Mc Grane and Paddy Mc Keever,even being in the Junior Championship is a shame? I remember them beating the great Clan Na Gael team in a meaningless league fixture in the mid 70s,and there wasn't a cow milked in Ballyhegan for a month!

Could it be a case that a neighbouring high flying club in Portadown have pillaged their most talented players?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on October 10, 2017, 02:05:12 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock) V 2. Doire (Newbridge)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Killeavy, Silverbridge) V 5. Dún na nGall (Milford)

(c) 6. Aontroim (Dunloy, St Brigid's) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Moy) V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Belcoo) V (a) An Cabhán / Doire

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:


(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh) V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields)

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Ballyhegan) V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna, Limavady)

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum) V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Tattyreagh) V 9. Muineachán (Currin)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Naomh Colmcille, Red Hughs) V (a) An Cabhán / Aontroim

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: T Fearon on October 10, 2017, 03:01:33 PM
Owen care to name any of these? In 1974 Portadown were in Div 4.3.years later they joined Ballyhegan in Div 1 and were considered upstarts.

 
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 10, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
I reckon Tattyreagh v Currin is potentially the Ulster finsl.

Tyrone and Monaghan normally strong at Junior level.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: ardchieftain on October 10, 2017, 07:11:33 PM
Anyone else think Ballyhegan,the club of Noel Marley,Paul Mc Grane and Paddy Mc Keever,even being in the Junior Championship is a shame? I remember them beating the great Clan Na Gael team in a meaningless league fixture in the mid 70s,and there wasn't a cow milked in Ballyhegan for a month!

Ballyhegan have a very small pick,  we field on our own at underage and having subs is a luxury for us. In the late 80s/early 90s we could hardly field at senior level, so i think we're doing very well. We're lucky that we have a large number of lads coming through over the next few years, so hopefully we'll be giving the intermediate a rattle then.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Orior on October 10, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Anyone else think Ballyhegan,the club of Noel Marley,Paul Mc Grane and Paddy Mc Keever,even being in the Junior Championship is a shame? I remember them beating the great Clan Na Gael team in a meaningless league fixture in the mid 70s,and there wasn't a cow milked in Ballyhegan for a month!

Ballyhegan have a very small pick,  we field on our own at underage and having subs is a luxury for us. In the late 80s/early 90s we could hardly field at senior level, so i think we're doing very well. We're lucky that we have a large number of lads coming through over the next few years, so hopefully we'll be giving the intermediate a rattle then.

I've always been amazed that you could field a team at all in the area you're in.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: oakleaflad on October 15, 2017, 04:03:59 PM
Newbridge 2-20 Shercock 2-07 Ulster Intermediate First Round
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on October 17, 2017, 02:55:07 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock) 2-07 V 2. Doire (Newbridge) 2-20

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Killeavy) V 5. Dún na nGall (Milford)

(c) 6. Aontroim (St Brigid's) V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Moy) V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross)

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Belcoo) V (a) Doire (Newbridge)

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b  V  (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh) 0-14 V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields) 0-09

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Ballyhegan) V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna)

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum) V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck)

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Tattyreagh) V 9. Muineachán (Currin)

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Naomh Colmcille) V (a) An Cabhán (Ballymachugh)

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

(b) v (c)

(d) V (e)

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: tonto1888 on October 17, 2017, 03:06:01 PM
Owen care to name any of these? In 1974 Portadown were in Div 4.3.years later they joined Ballyhegan in Div 1 and were considered upstarts.

the Tiffneys played for Tir Na Nog for a while before transferring back to Ballyhegan
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: tintin25 on October 24, 2017, 09:34:19 PM
Any odds available on any of these games yet?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: heganboy on October 30, 2017, 02:05:32 AM
Anyone else think Ballyhegan,the club of Noel Marley,Paul Mc Grane and Paddy Mc Keever,even being in the Junior Championship is a shame? I remember them beating the great Clan Na Gael team in a meaningless league fixture in the mid 70s,and there wasn't a cow milked in Ballyhegan for a month!

Tony,
wise up- Ballyhegan are a small rural club that have cycles of players like any other rural club with a small population, they won the junior in 95, and the intermediate in 97, and the junior again this year. Our neighbors in the town of Craigavon, Tir Na Nog were founded 41 years after Ballyhegan, and it seems like you haven't lost the chip on your shoulder since. 
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: seafoid on October 30, 2017, 09:11:03 AM
Club is usually about how good the weakest players are.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: oakleaflad on October 30, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
Derry clubs all still involved:

Newbridge 3-16 Belcoo 1-09 in the Intermediate.

Doire Trasna 4-09 Ballyhegan 0-10 in the Junior.

Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: DownFanatic on November 06, 2017, 03:53:32 PM
2017 Ulster club IFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Shercock) 2-07 V 2. Doire (Newbridge) 2-20

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Killeavy) 1-12 V 5. Dún na nGall (Milford) 1-13

(c) 6. Aontroim (St Brigid's) 0-10 V 7. An Dún (Rostrevor) 1-13

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Moy) 0-09 V 9. Muineachán (Carrickmacross) 1-05

(e) 3. Fear Manach (Belcoo) 1-09 V (a) Doire (Newbridge) 3-16

If Fear Manach V An Cabhán at Fear Manach venue; If Doire V Fear Manach at Doire venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

Milford v Rostrevor

Moy V Newbridge

25th / 26th November: Final


2017 Ulster club JFC

15th October: First Round:


(a) 1. An Cabhán (Ballymachugh) 0-14 V 2. Aontroim (Sarsfields) 0-09

28th / 29th October: Quarter Finals:

(b) 4. Ard Mhacha (Ballyhegan) 0-10 V 5. Doire (Doire Trasna) 4-09

(c) 6. An Dún (Dundrum) 2-06 V 7. Fear Manach (Belnaleck) 2-13

(d) 8. Tír Eoghain (Tattyreagh) 3-14 V 9. Muineachán (Currin) 2-12

(e) 3. Dún na nGall (Naomh Colmcille) 1-08 V (a) An Cabhán (Ballymachugh) 1-07

If Dún na nGall V An Cabhán at Dún na nGall venue; If Aontroim V Dún na nGall at Aontroim venue

12th November: Semi Finals:

Doire Trasna v Belnaleck

Naomh Colmcille v Tattyreagh

25th / 26th November: Final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: ONeill on November 12, 2017, 02:37:37 PM
Moy through
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Targetman on November 12, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
They play Rostrevor in the final
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 13, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
SFC and IFC Finals confirmed for Athletic Grounds on Sunday 26th November

1pm : Moy v Rostrevor

3pm: Slaughtneil v Derrygonnelly or Cavan Gaels
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 19, 2017, 10:49:30 PM
According to GAA.ie ulster v Britain in Junior All Ireland QF.

However was this not the case last year too? Rock v Dundee.

Does it not alternate?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 20, 2017, 08:19:36 AM
According to GAA.ie ulster v Britain in Junior All Ireland QF.

However was this not the case last year too? Rock v Dundee.

Does it not alternate?

Did the rock not beat them in the semi final last year? I'm sure it was before the Pomeroy semi final. I think the British champions won their quarter final last year, not sure who against.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: shantygael on November 20, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
According to GAA.ie ulster v Britain in Junior All Ireland QF.

However was this not the case last year too? Rock v Dundee.

Does it not alternate?
Dunedin Connellys in Edinburgh
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 20, 2017, 11:17:55 AM
According to GAA.ie ulster v Britain in Junior All Ireland QF.

However was this not the case last year too? Rock v Dundee.

Does it not alternate?
Dunedin Connellys in Edinburgh

Sorry- Yeah Dunedin. It obviously doesn't alternate then?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: square_ball on November 20, 2017, 11:19:35 AM
I think it does alternate Norf. Dunedin would had to have beat someone last year in the quarterfinal in order to play the rock.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: clarshack on November 20, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
Dunedin beat a Laois outfit in the 1/4 finals last year.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 20, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
Dunedin beat a Laois outfit in the 1/4 finals last year.

Ah right. Assumed the game v Rock was the Quarters. Forgot it was the semi final.

Cheers lads.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: FermGael on November 24, 2017, 02:26:38 PM
Junior final moved to Celtic Park for a 7 throw in tomorrow night.
Healy park unplayable
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on November 24, 2017, 02:31:12 PM
Junior final moved to Celtic Park for a 7 throw in tomorrow night.
Healy park unplayable

What a hole, the embarrassment that is the Tyrone county grounds that keeps giving.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Throw ball on November 25, 2017, 01:51:20 AM
Why is anything ever fixed for Omagh at this time of year.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on November 27, 2017, 10:43:01 AM
Took in the intermediate final yesterday. Poorish game truth be told. Rostrevors shooting let them down, Moys ability to win easy frees via Sean Cavanagh crucial. Rostrevor were probably a bit too jumped up and their indiscipline cost them. The Moy were very calm and closed the game out well but overall standard wasn’t great.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 28, 2017, 08:51:40 AM
Took in the intermediate final yesterday. Poorish game truth be told. Rostrevors shooting let them down, Moys ability to win easy frees via Sean Cavanagh crucial. Rostrevor were probably a bit too jumped up and their indiscipline cost them. The Moy were very calm and closed the game out well but overall standard wasn’t great.

Hard to disagree, I watched Moy vs Newbridge and they were expansive with dangerous attacking options, Rostrevor had their match ups well planned and kept the game tight, Cavanagh was harassed throughout the whole game before his man was sent off, he even got away with giving Cavanagh a bloody nose. Loughran was quiet, I expected more from him. Very defensive game not for the purists. Moy will have their work cut out against Kerry senior side An Gaeltacht, second in Division 1 to Dr Crokes. Anyone know the Kerry system here can explain how they are playing intermediate football?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Down Follower on November 28, 2017, 09:26:53 AM
I actually thought the intermediate final was a proper game. Yes there were errors and skill set not quite as high as senior Ulster club but the intensity and effort from both sides could be felt never mind seen.  The atmosphere was unbelievable.  Fair play to both sides.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: ashman on November 28, 2017, 09:41:36 AM
Took in the intermediate final yesterday. Poorish game truth be told. Rostrevors shooting let them down, Moys ability to win easy frees via Sean Cavanagh crucial. Rostrevor were probably a bit too jumped up and their indiscipline cost them. The Moy were very calm and closed the game out well but overall standard wasn’t great.

Hard to disagree, I watched Moy vs Newbridge and they were expansive with dangerous attacking options, Rostrevor had their match ups well planned and kept the game tight, Cavanagh was harassed throughout the whole game before his man was sent off, he even got away with giving Cavanagh a bloody nose. Loughran was quiet, I expected more from him. Very defensive game not for the purists. Moy will have their work cut out against Kerry senior side An Gaeltacht, second in Division 1 to Dr Crokes. Anyone know the Kerry system here can explain how they are playing intermediate football?


Gaeltacht were relegated to intermediate a few years back .  The noughties golden generation of ths o ses , Cinneide , mcgearailt all petered out .  There was nothing coming through till now .  They have some crop now with Hogan cup , minor all Ireland winners etc .   They and Dingle will be a serious force at senior in the coming years .

Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 28, 2017, 10:08:04 AM
Took in the intermediate final yesterday. Poorish game truth be told. Rostrevors shooting let them down, Moys ability to win easy frees via Sean Cavanagh crucial. Rostrevor were probably a bit too jumped up and their indiscipline cost them. The Moy were very calm and closed the game out well but overall standard wasn’t great.

Hard to disagree, I watched Moy vs Newbridge and they were expansive with dangerous attacking options, Rostrevor had their match ups well planned and kept the game tight, Cavanagh was harassed throughout the whole game before his man was sent off, he even got away with giving Cavanagh a bloody nose. Loughran was quiet, I expected more from him. Very defensive game not for the purists. Moy will have their work cut out against Kerry senior side An Gaeltacht, second in Division 1 to Dr Crokes. Anyone know the Kerry system here can explain how they are playing intermediate football?


Gaeltacht were relegated to intermediate a few years back .  The noughties golden generation of ths o ses , Cinneide , mcgearailt all petered out .  There was nothing coming through till now .  They have some crop now with Hogan cup , minor all Ireland winners etc .   They and Dingle will be a serious force at senior in the coming years .

I’m talking about the Kerry system, An Gaeltacht are obviously playing in the top division in Kerry but play intermediate championship, how does that translate? Does the same happen at Junior? So the Moy are facing a lot of young fellas? From the scores they racked up it will we hard to see how they will be able to come close. Being a Tyrone man I really hope they can but the systems appear from the outside to be questionable.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 28, 2017, 02:26:52 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: tonto1888 on November 28, 2017, 03:25:15 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

well that clears things up..........
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: tiempo on November 28, 2017, 03:52:45 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

well that clears things up..........

It clarifies what is happening in practice and demonstrates that Kerry are wilfully moving the goalposts so as to ensure a higher caliber team enters the Munster and All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior Club Championship. Take note:

3 competitions at national and provincial level - Senior, Intermediate, Junior.
4 competitions at Kerry county level - Senior, Intermediate, Junior, Novice (called junior premier and junior above).
The top club championship in Kerry club football is open to 8 teams, in a county of 58 individual units. This feeds into national and provincial Senior Club.
The second club championship in Kerry club football is open to 16 teams, this feeds into national and provincial Intermediate Club.
The third club championship in Kerry club football is open to 16 teams, this feeds into national and provincial Junior Club.
The fourth (and largest) club championship in Kerry club football is open to 18 teams, this feeds into no national or provincial Club Championship.

The bottom 18 clubs in Kerry are cut out of the running for provincial and national Club Champs, in doing so their representatives at Intermediate and Junior becomes disproportionately strong - as the strongest clubs in the Intermediate and Junior grades are playing a level below what their actual standing would be if they shelved the completely made up grade of novice and went for 3 grades with a more equal weighting on the number of teams per competition.

Therein lies the problem - cute hoorism at its finest.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 28, 2017, 04:16:22 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

well that clears things up..........

It clarifies what is happening in practice and demonstrates that Kerry are wilfully moving the goalposts so as to ensure a higher caliber team enters the Munster and All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior Club Championship. Take note:

3 competitions at national and provincial level - Senior, Intermediate, Junior.
4 competitions at Kerry county level - Senior, Intermediate, Junior, Novice (called junior premier and junior above).
The top club championship in Kerry club football is open to 8 teams, in a county of 58 individual units. This feeds into national and provincial Senior Club.
The second club championship in Kerry club football is open to 16 teams, this feeds into national and provincial Intermediate Club.
The third club championship in Kerry club football is open to 16 teams, this feeds into national and provincial Junior Club.
The fourth (and largest) club championship in Kerry club football is open to 18 teams, this feeds into no national or provincial Club Championship.

The bottom 18 clubs in Kerry are cut out of the running for provincial and national Club Champs, in doing so their representatives at Intermediate and Junior becomes disproportionately strong - as the strongest clubs in the Intermediate and Junior grades are playing a level below what their actual standing would be if they shelved the completely made up grade of novice and went for 3 grades with a more equal weighting on the number of teams per competition.

Therein lies the problem - cute hoorism at its finest.

But that's the way they ran it before any provincial or All-Ireland intermediate and junior titles were available to win. 




Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: tiempo on November 28, 2017, 04:30:36 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

well that clears things up..........

It clarifies what is happening in practice and demonstrates that Kerry are wilfully moving the goalposts so as to ensure a higher caliber team enters the Munster and All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior Club Championship. Take note:

3 competitions at national and provincial level - Senior, Intermediate, Junior.
4 competitions at Kerry county level - Senior, Intermediate, Junior, Novice (called junior premier and junior above).
The top club championship in Kerry club football is open to 8 teams, in a county of 58 individual units. This feeds into national and provincial Senior Club.
The second club championship in Kerry club football is open to 16 teams, this feeds into national and provincial Intermediate Club.
The third club championship in Kerry club football is open to 16 teams, this feeds into national and provincial Junior Club.
The fourth (and largest) club championship in Kerry club football is open to 18 teams, this feeds into no national or provincial Club Championship.

The bottom 18 clubs in Kerry are cut out of the running for provincial and national Club Champs, in doing so their representatives at Intermediate and Junior becomes disproportionately strong - as the strongest clubs in the Intermediate and Junior grades are playing a level below what their actual standing would be if they shelved the completely made up grade of novice and went for 3 grades with a more equal weighting on the number of teams per competition.

Therein lies the problem - cute hoorism at its finest.

But that's the way they ran it before any provincial or All-Ireland intermediate and junior titles were available to win.

Well thats ok then, 22 point hammerings for the rest of the Muster Intermediate club cannon fodder will resume in 2018, move along, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: J70 on November 28, 2017, 05:23:56 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

My head is spinning...
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 28, 2017, 11:20:05 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

My head is spinning...

Quite the explanation alright, doesn’t change the fact that the Kerry system creates an unbalance when it comes to provincial club football. Is An Ghaeltacht one club or an amalgamation of 2 or more clubs?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 28, 2017, 11:27:30 PM
This might help (originally posted in the Munster thread)...

An Ghaeltacht (note the correct spelling) did indeed finish second in Division 1 of the County League.  The problem with using the league as a yardstick is the fact that county panel members do not play in any significant amount of league games.   Clubs with a lot of county men suffer if they don't have a very strong panel.  An Ghaeltacht (and Dingle) have produced many fine young players that helped PS Corca Dhuine win two Hogan Cups.  Expect a few to be on the county squad in 2018, which might adversely affect their league results.  An Ghaeltacht and Dingle are both well positioned to do well in the county championship in 2018.

The pecking order in Kerry is 1) county championship 2) club championships 3) divisional board championships 4) county league.  In fact, the county league was only introduced in 1970 to give some games to players who might have been tempted to do other things as the GAA looked likely to abolish Rule 27 (which did happen in 1971).

Win junior, move up to intermediate and win intermediate you will be senior and entitled to "go alone" in the county championship.  Worst senior club drops to intermediate based on all the losers continuing to play until one team is left in the senior club championship (it takes three losses to be demoted).  Relegation from intermediate, meanwhile, is decided by the lowest finishing position in the league of all the first round losers.  Of the 8 first round losers in this year's intermediate, three were in division 3, with St. Michael's/Foilmore finishing at the bottom, thus being regraded to junior for 2018.

The intent in Kerry has been to have 8 senior clubs, 16 intermediate and 16 junior premier and 18 in junior.  That seems to be the bone of contention here, in that division 1 has 11 teams but only 8 are senior. There are 12 teams in div 1-4 and 13 in div 5.  There is also a junior league of 8 divisions, with teams grouped geographically more than quality, but it suffers from a spate of walkovers.

This may all change this week, as there are recommendations being brought to the county board that may result in changing the entire championship structure and timing.  I'm sure they will seek this discussion board's approval on any new format.  Any new format must be ratified at convention on 11 Dec. so get your comments in quickly.

My head is spinning...

Quite the explanation alright, doesn’t change the fact that the Kerry system creates an unbalance when it comes to provincial club football. Is An Ghaeltacht one club or an amalgamation of 2 or more clubs?

Amalgamated teams (better known as Divisional) are not allowed enter provincial football.  In the early days, they were allowed with a Kerry divisional team (East Kerry) winning the first one in the early '70's.

The imbalance is obvious, but can Munster Council or Croke Park tell any county how to conduct their business?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 29, 2017, 09:47:32 AM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 29, 2017, 10:08:32 AM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?

One club, An Ghaeltacht. Dingle are a separate club. I wish more counties would adopt the Kerry system.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: BennyCake on November 29, 2017, 10:11:47 AM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?

One club, An Ghaeltacht. Dingle are a separate club. I wish more counties would adopt the Kerry system.

Remember being at their pitch. Not far from Slea Head. That was before Joey and Evans were there.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 29, 2017, 10:53:07 AM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?

One club, An Ghaeltacht. Dingle are a separate club. I wish more counties would adopt the Kerry system.

Why do you wish more would adapt the Kerry system? Would it not make sense for Kerry to fall into line with the other systems? 10 of the last 11 Munster intermediate titles have been won be Kerry clubs. If your club is strong enough to compete in the Senior league within the County they should also compete in the senior championship.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: oakleaflad on November 29, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?

One club, An Ghaeltacht. Dingle are a separate club. I wish more counties would adopt the Kerry system.
This would give Junior clubs around the country nothing to compete for nationally.

Just looking at my own county and basing on league positions, if we had the same numbers as Kerry in each championship, we would have something like the following:

Senior: Slaughtneil
Intermediate: Dungiven
Junior: Craigbane

That's too strong at Intermediate and Junior in my opinion and alienates Division 3 (currently Junior) in Derry.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: befair on November 29, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
I had my reservations about the different systems in Ulster, but so many of the games were won by only a single point we must be doing something right. The Kerry system does seem unfair to the other counties
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 29, 2017, 11:22:58 AM
I had my reservations about the different systems in Ulster, but so many of the games were won by only a single point we must be doing something right. The Kerry system does seem unfair to the other counties

This “intermediate” side are second only to Dr Crokes in the Kerry senior league, it baffles me that they qualify to play intermediate championship. And to win a provincial final by 22 points makes a mockery of the system, they won 9 of 11 games in the Kerry SENIOR league and then play intermediate championship to hammer teams and claim success.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on November 29, 2017, 12:10:09 PM
The mayo team that beat loughinisland a few years ago were senior league also, near the top if I recall correctly. Surely if there are three grades the most logical thing to do is to have a system where the clubs are equally divided between senior intermediate and junior.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 29, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
17th December An Ghaeltacht are to contest the Kerry Senior League final against Dr Crokes
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Boycey on November 29, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26247.msg1556189#msg1556189

This topic has been covered before, I think Kerrys system is designed to get the best from their county team rather than any wish to win multiple club championships at junior and intermediate levels. A read of that link above and other posts from around that  time will help you understand.

Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 29, 2017, 12:58:46 PM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?

One club, An Ghaeltacht. Dingle are a separate club. I wish more counties would adopt the Kerry system.
This would give Junior clubs around the country nothing to compete for nationally.

Just looking at my own county and basing on league positions, if we had the same numbers as Kerry in each championship, we would have something like the following:

Senior: Slaughtneil
Intermediate: Dungiven
Junior: Craigbane

That's too strong at Intermediate and Junior in my opinion and alienates Division 3 (currently Junior) in Derry.

There are clubs in Mayo who don't represent nationally. Moygownagh won the Junior C championship this year, yet it's only the Junior A winners (if not a B team) who represents the county at Junior level.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: mrhardyannual on November 29, 2017, 01:43:16 PM
The mayo team that beat loughinisland a few years ago were senior league also, near the top if I recall correctly. Surely if there are three grades the most logical thing to do is to have a system where the clubs are equally divided between senior intermediate and junior.
Hollymount-Carramore defeated Loughinisland. They were in the first year as an amalgamation of an intermediate (Hollymount) and junior(Carramore) club. There are 16 Clubs in the Mayo Senior Championship, 16 in Intermediate, and 16 in Junior A. The remainder play Junior B and Junior C. At the time of writing all clubs in Mayo play in the one league in Divisions  A - F of between 10 and 12 teams. League and Championship are completely independent of each other. Therefore it is not unknown for a Senior Championship team to be as low as Div C and for an Intermediate team to play in DivA.  An alternative system is under discussion at present.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: twohands!!! on November 29, 2017, 03:43:33 PM
Divisional teams are not allowed to compete in provincial competition so I doubt An Ghaeltacht are a divisional side, but are they an almangamaion of dingle and other clubs or is that one area just called An Ghaeltacht?

One club, An Ghaeltacht. Dingle are a separate club. I wish more counties would adopt the Kerry system.

It's a complete no-brainer in my opinion.

The key thing for me is when you look at how the Kerry county team constantly seem to have players spread among all of the various clubs in the county.

It seems some folk would like Kerry to get rid of what works best for them and switch to an inferior structure as opposed to other counties changing their structure to imitate a superior setup.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on November 29, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
This would give Junior clubs around the country nothing to compete for nationally.

Just looking at my own county and basing on league positions, if we had the same numbers as Kerry in each championship, we would have something like the following:

Senior: Slaughtneil
Intermediate: Dungiven
Junior: Craigbane

That's too strong at Intermediate and Junior in my opinion and alienates Division 3 (currently Junior) in Derry.
Yeah,clubs like Dromintee and Carrickmore would be intermediate using the Kerry system..each county will have certain requirements, especially counties with high volumes of clubs like Cork, Mayo, Dublin etc but the Kerry system certainly benefits their intermediate and junior clubs going into provincial competitions
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: westbound on November 29, 2017, 04:40:52 PM
I think ye are looking at this from the wrong angle.

First of all, there is no doubt that a by-product of the kerry system is that they have strong teams in the intermediate/junior provincial championships. [they also have strong teams in the senior championships, but that's irrelevant really]. However, I don't believe that is the aim of the kerry structures as this general structure was in place before junior and intermediate provincial and all ireland championships were played (admittedly, changes were made in recent years to reduce the number of senior clubs). I believe the structure was implemented to improve the county team.

Anyway, the point I really wanted to make was that we should be looking at this from the point of view of the players.
EVERY player in kerry has the opportunity to play senior club football in this system. Even if he is from the worst junior club in the county, if the individual is good enough he can get the chance to play senior football against the best players in the county. Surely that's a good thing?
If you take this system away, you deny players the chance to play at the highest level. 
I played with an intermediate club for most of my career, but it would have been great to have had the chance to compete against the best players in the county on a regular basis. (I probably wouldn't have been good enough to make a divisional side anyway!!!).

So I think this system is very good and more (all?) counties should adopt it. But I'm sure politics of amalgamated teams would be a problem in a lot of counties
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on November 30, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
You can still keep the divisional set up in Kerry without the second best team in the county (going by league standings) playing Intermediate football. The divisional sides playing senior championship is not the problem. Teams that are seemingly more than capable of playing Senior football playing Intermediate is the problem.

The team that finished second in Armagh this year was last year’s Senior Champions. In Antrim it was this year’s finalists. In Cavan the team that came second was this year’s Ulster finalists and in Derry it was Slaughtneil, Ulster champions. Is the team that finished second in Kerry really intermediate standard?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
You can still keep the divisional set up in Kerry without the second best team in the county (going by league standings) playing Intermediate football. The divisional sides playing senior championship is not the problem. Teams that are seemingly more than capable of playing Senior football playing Intermediate is the problem.

The team that finished second in Armagh this year was last year’s Senior Champions. In Antrim it was this year’s finalists. In Cavan the team that came second was this year’s Ulster finalists and in Derry it was Slaughtneil, Ulster champions. Is the team that finished second in Kerry really intermediate standard?

Ye keep equating League to championship. Ye have a mental block over that. It's already been said that because of Kerry player availability, the league in Kerry is *not* a true reflection of where a club might be.

Kerry championship has no bearing on league, and nor does league on championship.

That said, Ghaelteacht got relegated not that long ago, and are back up again, so they probably were too good for intermediate, but that doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be there after getting relegated.

The issue I had was where the Intermediate Champions were not allowed go up a few years ago. That was wrong.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: mackers on November 30, 2017, 04:36:19 PM
Ye keep equating League to championship. Ye have a mental block over that. It's already been said that because of Kerry player availability, the league in Kerry is *not* a true reflection of where a club might be.
Could that not be said in every county in Ireland?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: tiempo on November 30, 2017, 04:45:23 PM
Applying the same proportions to the Tyrone Championship would result in a tired system across the 48 clubs where:

SFC - 14% of clubs, lets say 8
IFC - 28% of clubs, lets say 12
JFC - 28% of clubs, lets say 12
"Novice" - 31% of clubs, lets say 16

This approach could leave Carrickmore playing Intermediate, Moy playing Junior and Tattyreagh playing at no discernible level (makey uppey level).

The issue is in terms of the provincial and All-Ireland club series is not everyone else, its Kerry.
Look at the breakdown above, and note the term clubs.
The divisional approach in Kerry is being used to cloud the issue, they are not clubs. Congratulations to everyone for getting along and all that but it is the equivalent of a combined Antrim/Louth/Leitrim select entering Leinster, a nonsense.

Kerry need to be pulled on this and align their leagues to championship, ensure a greater spread of clubs across the 3 grades, and give access to all clubs to win a meaningful county title at their correct level, not this 22 point facile Provincial Intermediate winning chuff.

Going back to the year Derrytresk got to the All-Ireland Final, under a Kerry based system they wouldn't have had access to the JFC or provincial or All-Ireland JFC - and that to me is wrong. The All-Irelands especially at those grades highlight some of the most heart-warming success stories every year in hurling and football, and clubs should not be denied their chance to access these competitions or having made it successfully out of their county come up against a "seeded" Kerry juggernaut. Though as you'll see from time to time, when the Kerry team does come up short in the Provincials or All-Ireland e.g. Dromid v Derrytresk, then the mask slips, not too keen on having it put up to them.

People who claim its not a concerted effort of trying to pick up All-Irelands at this level are talking out their backside. As mentioned previously football in Kerry is geared to the County team and getting young lads any additional Croke Park experience is all they care about (note their Junior County All-Ireland success of late too - full of lads in their early 20s with multiple All-Ireland minor winners taking lead roles).

Hopefully this can be sorted out before too many more teams suffer 22 point Provincial final defeats.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2017, 04:52:15 PM
Ye keep equating League to championship. Ye have a mental block over that. It's already been said that because of Kerry player availability, the league in Kerry is *not* a true reflection of where a club might be.
Could that not be said in every county in Ireland?

Yes, which is why I'm wondering why people are placing such emphasis on the division An ghealteacht play in, for example. As far as I can see, the problem is not which division Ghealteacht are in, it's the fact that they are the 9th best club side in Kerry (Championship wise) and therefore should not be classed as intermediate. I suppose that's debatable, but the fact of the matter is this is how Kerry always have done it. Before ever there was a Munster or All Ireland Intermediate Championship.  If the argument is that Kerry have too few Senior Clubs, well I'm sorry, I disagree. In my view a lot of other counties have too *Many* senior clubs. This approach works for Kerry, and now that Offaly have followed suit, by and large, with 8 Senior and 8 Senior B (who enter the intermediate championship) and our Intermediate Champions in the Junior Championship I hope that the Offaly senior team benefits from a Senior Championship of a higher standard eventually.

I understand the skepticism, and I can see why people are saying it's unfair that the 9th best team in Kerry is playing the 17th best team in Limerick or whatever, but to be honest I don't think it's Kerry's problem. Maybe an argument could be made that the Intermediate Championship in Kerry is renamed a Senior 'B' Championship, and the winners are not entitled to play in Munster. Rename Premier Junior to Intermediate etc but I'm not sure that's the way to go either. Put it like this, Dromid were a long way away from being dominant against Naomh Eoin above in Clare or Galtee Gaels in the Munster Semi Final, and they are not going to hammer Knocknagree either.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: westbound on November 30, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
How many counties link league and championship?

Secondly, do people really think that the Kerry system is designed to win more junior and intermediate titles? Explain to me then, why the system was implemented in Kerry BEFORE the AI junior and intermediate were set up.

Thirdly, there is NOTHING to stop any or all other counties changing their systems to whatever they like. If the Kerry system is so advantageous, then why not change your own system.

I'm not from Kerry, nor have any affiliation to Kerry. But people are always looking for others to blame. Sometimes we need to look at what we can do for ourselves!
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2017, 05:20:48 PM
I don't think the Kerry system is set up to give more intermediate/junior winners but the way they do it definitely gives an unfair advantage over other counties.

Their intermediate winner is effectively a senior team and their junior winner an intermediate team.

The fairest way therefore to solve the issue would be for their senior champs to play in the senior championship, their premier junior champs to play in the intermediate and their junior champs to play in the junior. The only issue would be their intermediate winners then wouldn't get chance to play at provincial level. It could be argued that the 9th best senior team isn't in other counties don't either.

The split above would mean 24 teams effectively senior 16 intermediate and 18 junior. Seems a lot fairer than what they currently do.
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: general_lee on November 30, 2017, 06:31:32 PM
It really is a sad state of affairs that counties are opting for an 8 team senior championship. Stinks of elitism. Pomeroy tore up the 16-team Tyrone SFC this year straight up out of Intermediate, Trillick before them came up out of nowhere to win the thing! No system is perfect and different counties have different requirements but the Kerry set up is skewered and not a fair reflection. People saying that leagues and championship don’t marry up but a quick look at the county website Division 1 seems to have all the traditionally stronger clubs? Player availability doesn’t wash for me it’s the same in every county. The cream rises to the top regardless
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: twohands!!! on November 30, 2017, 08:02:33 PM

If the argument is that Kerry have too few Senior Clubs, well I'm sorry, I disagree. In my view a lot of other counties have too *Many* senior clubs. This approach works for Kerry, and now that Offaly have followed suit, by and large, with 8 Senior and 8 Senior B (who enter the intermediate championship) and our Intermediate Champions in the Junior Championship I hope that the Offaly senior team benefits from a Senior Championship of a higher standard eventually.

Put it like this, Dromid were a long way away from being dominant against Naomh Eoin above in Clare or Galtee Gaels in the Munster Semi Final, and they are not going to hammer Knocknagree either.

In total agreement, far too many counties have way too many senior teams.

In Kerry you have to work hard to be a senior team and to stay a senior team, which drives standards.

Just checked the scorelines line and Dromid won both their games against the Clare and Limerick Junior representatives by 4 points.

Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: omaghjoe on November 30, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
In terms of the teams that are going to win the SFC in Tyrone realistically there are only about 8 or 10. Its very competitive among those but outside of them no one else has a hope apart from a one off game. As I write that tho im thinking would I include Pomeroy in that (this years semi finalist)?

The point is I like Kerry's system but when its equated onto the AI clubs its not a level playing field for other counties Its not up to Kerry to sort it out tho...
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on November 30, 2017, 08:28:57 PM
"only" 8 or 10?
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: omaghjoe on November 30, 2017, 09:41:10 PM
"only" 8 or 10?

Yes only as opposed to the 16 that are in it
The rest arent really competitive so in way its similar to Kerry
Title: Re: Ulster JFC/IFC Club 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on November 30, 2017, 09:44:57 PM
Most counties wouldn't have more than 2 or 3 capable of winning.