'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'

[sid waddell]

I don't think any person should be denied basic healthcare and I would be in favour of ammending the wording of the 8th.... if right of life was still afforded to the unborn, that is difficult I agree but no one seems to be even having that conversation and with the current proposal then my opinion is that right of a unique human life supersedes the mother's right to choose

I don't think you get it.

Women's right to essential healthcare can only be guaranteed by the abolition of the 8th Amendment.

If it stays, women don't have that right and will continue to be denied it.

[Rossfan]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

[sid waddell]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

Can a No supporter like yourself make a post without lying or mendaciously attempting to play the victim?

There's only one set of extremists here.

They're the people that are attempting to try and keep Ireland's status as the only major country in Europe which denies essential healthcare to women.

They're the ones that are attempting to lump us in with the likes of Somalia.

Afghanistan has more liberal abortion laws than Ireland currently does.

Have a think about that.

[rrhf]

Some good points on both sides. Does the referendum as currently constituted go too far? Does it come in level with the UK or go further?

[BennyCake]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

Can a No supporter like yourself make a post without lying or mendaciously attempting to play the victim?

There's only one set of extremists here.

They're the people that are attempting to try and keep Ireland's status as the only major country in Europe which denies essential healthcare to women.

They're the ones that are attempting to lump us in with the likes of Somalia.

Afghanistan has more liberal abortion laws than Ireland currently does.

Have a think about that.

Calm down, Tom Daley.

[BennyCake]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

Good question, and no he can't.

[whitey]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

Good question, and no he can't.

What do you expect from a pig, but a grunt

[omaghjoe]

I don't think any person should be denied basic healthcare and I would be in favour of ammending the wording of the 8th.... if right of life was still afforded to the unborn, that is difficult I agree but no one seems to be even having that conversation and with the current proposal then my opinion is that right of a unique human life supersedes the mother's right to choose

I don't think you get it.

Women's right to essential healthcare can only be guaranteed by the abolition of the 8th Amendment.

If it stays, women don't have that right and will continue to be denied it.

No I don't think you get it sid

All people includes all unique human life who would have no legal right to life under the proposed legislation

Ill assume that you agree with the rest of my points tho?

[The Boy Wonder]

I agree wholeheartedly omaghjoe. Basic healthcare is too often denied to the most vulnerable in our society (unborn, very young, handicapped, older people). It's an awful shame that the term "basic healthcare" is used by ceetain people to promote what some would describe as abortion on demand.

[sid waddell]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

Good question, and no he can't.

What do you expect from a pig, but a grunt

Neatly sums up your entire output on this forum.

[sid waddell]

I don't think any person should be denied basic healthcare and I would be in favour of ammending the wording of the 8th.... if right of life was still afforded to the unborn, that is difficult I agree but no one seems to be even having that conversation and with the current proposal then my opinion is that right of a unique human life supersedes the mother's right to choose

I don't think you get it.

Women's right to essential healthcare can only be guaranteed by the abolition of the 8th Amendment.

If it stays, women don't have that right and will continue to be denied it.

No I don't think you get it sid

All people includes all unique human life who would have no legal right to life under the proposed legislation

Ill assume that you agree with the rest of my points tho?

You're against essential healthcare for women.

You are in favour of making a rape victim carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

You are in favour of dismissing the best medical evidence and opinions.

These are extremist, misogynist positions.

Im sorry you feel you can't be honest in this debate.

[Syferus]

Why are many Yes people so insulting and abusive to No individuals.
Can "Sid" not make his points without the extremist language?

For one of the rudest posters on the board you regularly fall back on the crutch of propriety when it suits whatever fancy you have at that given moment. Usually because you don't have the ability to debate or discuss the topic in anything beyond skin-deep detail. It's entirely self-serving and shows you up more than whoever you happen to be trying to dress down. Don't think people haven't noticed.

[Rossfan]

Once more you give a fair oul description of yourself

[omaghjoe]

I don't think any person should be denied basic healthcare and I would be in favour of ammending the wording of the 8th.... if right of life was still afforded to the unborn, that is difficult I agree but no one seems to be even having that conversation and with the current proposal then my opinion is that right of a unique human life supersedes the mother's right to choose

I don't think you get it.

Women's right to essential healthcare can only be guaranteed by the abolition of the 8th Amendment.

If it stays, women don't have that right and will continue to be denied it.

No I don't think you get it sid

All people includes all unique human life who would have no legal right to life under the proposed legislation

Ill assume that you agree with the rest of my points tho?

You're against essential healthcare for women.

You are in favour of making a rape victim carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

You are in favour of dismissing the best medical evidence and opinions.

These are extremist, misogynist positions.

Im sorry you feel you can't be honest in this debate.

This is all plain old ad hominen and what's better every line is a fabrication.

So much for your saintly depiction o yourself as a guardian of the truth 

Dealing with nonsense in what is supposed to be a debating forum is beyond frustrating

[LCohen]

Also that is an interesting point about the birthdays Sid

Now obviously birthdays are cultural so basically we celebrate them because we always have, and the conception day isn't known anyway so it would sort of impossible.
Anyway my point about it is that children born premature will medically have their age adjusted  to calculate baby development.

So in the medical world they are already doing this as the age of conception gives true age.

Conception date gives you the date that development starts and therefore what the expected stage of development should be at a point.

But it's development. At what stage in this development are you saying a human baby is formed with a right to life?