Whats people's views on the PSNI now? Brolly gave them a good report in this week's Sunday independent?
I still do not know a cop personally and none live within my community. Do you ever think there will be a time in our lifetime that they will be living among our GAA communities?
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:15:07 AM
Whats people's views on the PSNI now? Brolly gave them a good report in this week's Sunday independent?
I still do not know a cop personally and none live within my community. Do you ever think there will be a time in our lifetime that they will be living among our GAA communities?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 02, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:15:07 AM
Whats people's views on the PSNI now? Brolly gave them a good report in this week's Sunday independent?
I still do not know a cop personally and none live within my community. Do you ever think there will be a time in our lifetime that they will be living among our GAA communities?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
Why?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 02, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:15:07 AM
Whats people's views on the PSNI now? Brolly gave them a good report in this week's Sunday independent?
I still do not know a cop personally and none live within my community. Do you ever think there will be a time in our lifetime that they will be living among our GAA communities?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
Who would you call if your house was being robbed?
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:20:12 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 02, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:15:07 AM
Whats people's views on the PSNI now? Brolly gave them a good report in this week's Sunday independent?
I still do not know a cop personally and none live within my community. Do you ever think there will be a time in our lifetime that they will be living among our GAA communities?
Jesus Christ I hope not.
Why?
He's as draconian and narrow minded as the DUP
I know 1, although he moved away as soon as he joined. Needs to change but doesn't seem to be quickly at all. Still getting homes etc attacked
I know 1 who has lived in the same house for the last 20 years in a pretty much 100% nationalist area, from Dublin originally and would have had republican great-grandparents from way back when. I wouldn't think of this person any differently to someone who I would have sat drinking whiskey until 4am on New Year's Eve on at least 2 occasions. Would have been a good friend but we moved on with our lives.
It needs to change as an organisation and will but not yet. Too many vested interests to keep it as it is. Cross border policing will increase over the next decade and that will see a sea-change in the mindset and outlook. Change is a coming folks
What is the alternative if we don't embrace the police service? If you don't break the law then why would you worry about the police? If you have nothing to hide why worry?
There is still legacy issues, it won't go away in 20 years that's for sure. Your kids will look at the police service as a career, something we didn't even think about.
So if you not involved with criminal activity then you are fine
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
I know 1 who has lived in the same house for the last 20 years in a pretty much 100% nationalist area, from Dublin originally and would have had republican great-grandparents from way back when. I wouldn't think of this person any differently to someone who I would have sat drinking whiskey until 4am on New Year's Eve on at least 2 occasions. Would have been a good friend but we moved on with our lives.
It needs to change as an organisation and will but not yet. Too many vested interests to keep it as it is. Cross border policing will increase over the next decade and that will see a sea-change in the mindset and outlook. Change is a coming folks
That's the nub of it, but from a nationalist POV do we encourage those within our community that way inclined to join in a hope to change the organisation from within or is the leadership of the organisation so ingrained in the RUC mindset that it's better to isolate the organisation until the changes needed are forced upon them from the political sphere ..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2021, 10:43:33 AM
What is the alternative if we don't embrace the police service? If you don't break the law then why would you worry about the police? If you have nothing to hide why worry?
There is still legacy issues, it won't go away in 20 years that's for sure. Your kids will look at the police service as a career, something we didn't even think about.
So if you not involved with criminal activity then you are fine
It'll be gone in 20 days, when they vote for it in Westminster .
Quote from: johnnycool on November 02, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
I know 1 who has lived in the same house for the last 20 years in a pretty much 100% nationalist area, from Dublin originally and would have had republican great-grandparents from way back when. I wouldn't think of this person any differently to someone who I would have sat drinking whiskey until 4am on New Year's Eve on at least 2 occasions. Would have been a good friend but we moved on with our lives.
It needs to change as an organisation and will but not yet. Too many vested interests to keep it as it is. Cross border policing will increase over the next decade and that will see a sea-change in the mindset and outlook. Change is a coming folks
That's the nub of it, but from a nationalist POV do we encourage those within our community that way inclined to join in a hope to change the organisation from within or is the leadership of the organisation so ingrained in the RUC mindset that it's better to isolate the organisation until the changes needed are forced upon them from the political sphere ..
No matter what you call them, or dress them up in, the PSNI are still a British police force, pushing the British agenda in a British-ruled statelet. It doesn't matter how many Catholics join up, that's what they are, and that's what they will remain.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 02, 2021, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 02, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
I know 1 who has lived in the same house for the last 20 years in a pretty much 100% nationalist area, from Dublin originally and would have had republican great-grandparents from way back when. I wouldn't think of this person any differently to someone who I would have sat drinking whiskey until 4am on New Year's Eve on at least 2 occasions. Would have been a good friend but we moved on with our lives.
It needs to change as an organisation and will but not yet. Too many vested interests to keep it as it is. Cross border policing will increase over the next decade and that will see a sea-change in the mindset and outlook. Change is a coming folks
That's the nub of it, but from a nationalist POV do we encourage those within our community that way inclined to join in a hope to change the organisation from within or is the leadership of the organisation so ingrained in the RUC mindset that it's better to isolate the organisation until the changes needed are forced upon them from the political sphere ..
No matter what you call them, or dress them up in, the PSNI are still a British police force, pushing the British agenda in a British-ruled statelet. It doesn't matter how many Catholics join up, that's what they are, and that's what they will remain.
Yup.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:15:07 AM
Whats people's views on the PSNI now? Brolly gave them a good report in this week's Sunday independent?
I still do not know a cop personally and none live within my community. Do you ever think there will be a time in our lifetime that they will be living among our GAA communities?
Christ above ;D
any psni among your gaa clubs?
All depends on what your starting point is?
The current reincarnation is most definitely a vast improvement on where we were sat in the 70s and 80s in the bad old days.
But then my da would tell be yarns about the b specials when he was growing up and the tans /RIC of his father's era.
Let's just say it's definitely better but if my own son came to me and said he wanted to join the PSNI there would definitely be an eyebrow raised.
Quote from: Silver hill on November 02, 2021, 12:49:24 PM
All depends on what your starting point is?
The current reincarnation is most definitely a vast improvement on where we were sat in the 70s and 80s in the bad old days.
But then my da would tell be yarns about the b specials when he was growing up and the tans /RIC of his father's era.
Let's just say it's definitely better but if my own son came to me and said he wanted to join the PSNI there would definitely be an eyebrow raised.
You obviously didn't see the machine gun photo in Crossmaglen. As I said, a British agenda.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 12:37:05 PM
any psni among your gaa clubs?
Dunno but would be unlikely. Plenty of guards though
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
You see how that's a little contradictory (and I've probably the same outlook as you) in some much we think they're better than they were but with a huge way to go hence the reason I couldn't argue with Benny's stance.
The question for the nationalist/republican community is how do you go about enacting change within that organisation so that they don't chaperone loyalist thugs through East Belfast one day and then set upon nationalists honouring their dead on the Ormeau Road the next?
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
i would also feel uneasy if a senior footballer in my club was a psni cop, thats very sad mind you
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 02, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on November 02, 2021, 12:49:24 PM
All depends on what your starting point is?
The current reincarnation is most definitely a vast improvement on where we were sat in the 70s and 80s in the bad old days.
But then my da would tell be yarns about the b specials when he was growing up and the tans /RIC of his father's era.
Let's just say it's definitely better but if my own son came to me and said he wanted to join the PSNI there would definitely be an eyebrow raised.
You obviously didn't see the machine gun photo in Crossmaglen. As I said, a British agenda.
I did see that photo.
The difference now is that they're not going to use said machine gun.
What was your man thinking though....very poor judgement and badly advised.
Quote from: Silver hill on November 02, 2021, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 02, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on November 02, 2021, 12:49:24 PM
All depends on what your starting point is?
The current reincarnation is most definitely a vast improvement on where we were sat in the 70s and 80s in the bad old days.
But then my da would tell be yarns about the b specials when he was growing up and the tans /RIC of his father's era.
Let's just say it's definitely better but if my own son came to me and said he wanted to join the PSNI there would definitely be an eyebrow raised.
You obviously didn't see the machine gun photo in Crossmaglen. As I said, a British agenda.
I did see that photo.
The difference now is that they're not going to use said machine gun.
What was your man thinking though....very poor judgement and badly advised.
If the days where here that he had a need for that gun in Cross he wouldn't have been able to stand and pose for a photo with it.
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
Quote from: Silver hill on November 02, 2021, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 02, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on November 02, 2021, 12:49:24 PM
All depends on what your starting point is?
The current reincarnation is most definitely a vast improvement on where we were sat in the 70s and 80s in the bad old days.
But then my da would tell be yarns about the b specials when he was growing up and the tans /RIC of his father's era.
Let's just say it's definitely better but if my own son came to me and said he wanted to join the PSNI there would definitely be an eyebrow raised.
You obviously didn't see the machine gun photo in Crossmaglen. As I said, a British agenda.
I did see that photo.
The difference now is that they're not going to use said machine gun.
What was your man thinking though....very poor judgement and badly advised.
It was what the image said. It's still bandit country, snipers lurking around every corner, we walk around armed to the teeth because of all these terrorists in South Armagh. These fenians, can't be trusted, IRA decommissioning my arse... or whatever spin you want to put on it.
Why not take images of police walking through the town, chatting to locals, helping older folk carry their shopping, buying a couple of coffees from the local shop, kicking ball with youngsters in the square, chatting with a couple of Cross club men at the pitch etc etc. Wouldn't that portray things in a better light? Isn't it great we can do this? Barriers are being broken down. Trust for the PSNI in South Armagh is growing etc etc......
Nope, remember... it's all about pushing the British agenda.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
Quote from: Snapchap on November 02, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
This. The high ranks are ingrained with the baggage of the disgraced RUC and will never change until they are cleared out.
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
I know many Catholic Police officers, their reasons for joining vary from just needing a job to actually embracing a career in policing. The PSNI are undoubtedly not like the RUC of old. Those criticising them for holding on to some of history of the RUC in memorials etc, miss the point that to Unionism for good or ill the RUC is important and as nationalists we need to respect that otherwise we can't demand respect for our heritage. More needs to be done on all sides to increase the number of serving officers from the nationalist/republican community. That puts the onus on us to accept that if our neighbour joins, then just as we would with a Garda we should make sure that he can still play for his local GAA club, that he can still live down the road and feel wanted and safe. To many in our community there is still the whiff of cordite of the PSNI in the way that to many Unionists SF and our community have a whiff of it as well. That needs to change. I know also of a number of serving officers who have been pressed by senior officers to move to safer areas or to change from their local club because of the area it is in. That also is wrong and SF and the SDLP need to push the PSNI to take more steps internally to help officers remain within that community. Any civilised society needs policing and it can only be done from within. The PSNI is attempting to do that. The biggest obstacle to most you Catholics joining is rejection perceived or real from their own and the ambivalence may of us still have towards policing.
So if (to some) the PNSI is not workable, what's the alternative? I don't want to hear it'll be better in a UI as that's not going to happen any day soon, so if we look at it properly, is it a case of getting rid of any police officer over a certain age (ie old RUC officers, couldnt be that many left tbf) and look at changing the management of the police?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2021, 12:01:30 PM
So if (to some) the PNSI is not workable, what's the alternative? I don't want to hear it'll be better in a UI as that's not going to happen any day soon, so if we look at it properly, is it a case of getting rid of any police officer over a certain age (ie old RUC officers, couldnt be that many left tbf) and look at changing the management of the police?
They're inclined to bring in these top cops from GB as chief constable in the hope that the optics change but we all know they're fúcked before they start as the "culture" is maintained by top and middle management on an operational basis. The poor sod in there now doesn't know what day it is...
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 02, 2021, 11:23:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
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Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
I wouldn't mind nationalists from my area joining (There aren't any) - just not my family..... I think there in lies the problem! :(
I wouldn't be a Cop anywhere in the world, cannot see the attraction of the job at all. Can't say I'd be overly enthusiastic if some of my kids wanted to join the PSNI (or Garda or any force tbh).
Quote from: johnnycool on November 03, 2021, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2021, 12:01:30 PM
So if (to some) the PNSI is not workable, what's the alternative? I don't want to hear it'll be better in a UI as that's not going to happen any day soon, so if we look at it properly, is it a case of getting rid of any police officer over a certain age (ie old RUC officers, couldnt be that many left tbf) and look at changing the management of the police?
They're inclined to bring in these top cops from GB as chief constable in the hope that the optics change but we all know they're fúcked before they start as the "culture" is maintained by top and middle management on an operational basis. The poor sod in there now doesn't know what day it is...
So as I and most suspect, get rid of the management and civil servants who have been making decisions that continually blow up in their face's.. (defo no pun intended)
And todays main story on Talkback on radio ulster sure as hell wouldn't encourage anyone to join the psni
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59147597 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59147597)
Quote from: bennydorano on November 03, 2021, 01:17:46 PM
I wouldn't be a Cop anywhere in the world, cannot see the attraction of the job at all. Can't say I'd be overly enthusiastic if some of my kids wanted to join the PSNI (or Garda or any force tbh).
Nor would I, but that isn't the answer to policing in the north though, your attitude towards policing will not make it work any better either.
I've a daughter doing criminology at Queens, policing has never came up as a pathway, and not everyone follows the route led out by the degree they take, but she may go down that route, she has never grown up in an area that looked at the police historically as I did, plus she was born at the time of the PSNI, she's not stupid either, being a woman in the police service isn't a pleasant place, that will take decades to change so that will also be a reason not to go down that road.
The question is whether it would sit well with me, its very easy, she'll be an adult and she'll make her own decisions and I'll support her as a father would. You can't and shouldn't take any other view on that really
Quote from: smort on November 03, 2021, 01:24:54 PM
And todays main story on Talkback on radio ulster sure as hell wouldn't encourage anyone to join the psni
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59147597 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59147597)
Listened to that alright.
Shocking but not surprising. Female employees in the lower ranks are fair game for a bit of a feel it seems.
The PSNI are an improvement, no point pretending they're not better than the RUC, but I'm not sure when we get to a point where the improvement is big enough for them to be welcomed by both sections of the community. Loyalists think they are in the pocket of SF and Nats/Reps think they are still run by Establishment Unionists/The Brits so maybe the fact that they are hated by everyone is a clear improvement ;D
FWIW I wouldn't want any of my kids joining up primarily on grounds of personal safety. Ideology would be secondary but it would definitely be another reason for them not joining.
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
Unhelpful? I wasn't aware all posts would be vetted by the boards religious police (ie you) for a helpfulness like in Saudi Arabia, but sure then I shouldn't be surprised that a nasty little right wing religious nut like you would look to Saudi for inspiration. Are there any other criteria we all need to be adhering to?
Policing is quite like politics in that quite a large percentage of the people attracted to it as a profession are the most unsuitable for doing the job and are the last people on earth who should be given any power whatsoever to exercise over other people.
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 04, 2021, 09:35:34 AM
Policing is quite like politics in that quite a large percentage of the people attracted to it as a profession are the most unsuitable for doing the job and are the last people on earth who should be given any power whatsoever to exercise over other people.
This. Know someone who would have carried out some training from time to time at the main base in Belfast - said there was a real lack of maturity and professionalism among many of the new recruits. Always seems to be story in the paper about an officer every other week these days about them being a creep or whatever.
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I wouldn't be a Cop anywhere in the world, cannot see the attraction of the job at all. Can't say I'd be overly enthusiastic if some of my kids wanted to join the PSNI (or Garda or any force tbh).
Nor would I, but that isn't the answer to policing in the north though, your attitude towards policing will not make it work any better either.
I've a daughter doing criminology at Queens, policing has never came up as a pathway, and not everyone follows the route led out by the degree they take, but she may go down that route, she has never grown up in an area that looked at the police historically as I did, plus she was born at the time of the PSNI, she's not stupid either, being a woman in the police service isn't a pleasant place, that will take decades to change so that will also be a reason not to go down that road.
The question is whether it would sit well with me, its very easy, she'll be an adult and she'll make her own decisions and I'll support her as a father would. You can't and shouldn't take any other view on that really
I think that's the sensible mature approach we should all take with our kids.
Our children have grown up in a period of relative peace and equality that we probably did not have the luxury of. We are all influenced by the environment we grow up in and as that environment changes the type of influence changes.
Our kids should be supported in making their own decisions. All we can do as parents is perhaps describe a different view point (possibly on personal safety and/or the treatment of women in terms of PSNI and the history of the RUC) to make sure they have considered everything when deciding what path to take.
But either way, we shouldn't be trying to impose our experiences and opinions on our children, we'll never move forward if we do that. We should instead try to support them in whatever path they go down.
Easier said than done as we all have our own bias.
Sensible post.
When or is it ever proposed to make them an unarmed service like in the 26, England, Scotland, Wales etc?
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Sensible post.
When or is it ever proposed to make them an unarmed service like in the 26, England, Scotland, Wales etc?
I think when the threat of not trying to blow them up or shot them as they go about their job should be the day they look at not be armed..
To go back on another point, the maturity of some police officers is of the chart, in england recently 2 officers will be going to prison because they took pictures of 2 murdered teenagers in London and whatsapp'd them to friends!! WTF goes on in your brain to think that's ok, one of them even put his face on one of the bodies in the picture!!
What qualifications are needed to become an officer and do they carry out mental evaluations of recruits?
It's like any profession, some nut jobs are going to get through the system.
It's the army ones you need to worry about.
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
Unhelpful? I wasn't aware all posts would be vetted by the boards religious police (ie you) for a helpfulness like in Saudi Arabia, but sure then I shouldn't be surprised that a nasty little right wing religious nut like you would look to Saudi for inspiration. Are there any other criteria we all need to be adhering to?
What are you even on about you tube . Right winged, religious, Saudi Arabia?
Clean mad Sur.
Embarrassing
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
Unhelpful? I wasn't aware all posts would be vetted by the boards religious police (ie you) for a helpfulness like in Saudi Arabia, but sure then I shouldn't be surprised that a nasty little right wing religious nut like you would look to Saudi for inspiration. Are there any other criteria we all need to be adhering to?
What are you even on about you tube . Right winged, religious, Saudi Arabia?
Clean mad Sur.
Embarrassing
It's not as embarrassing as when you realise the party in the north closest to your political beliefs is the DUP.
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
Unhelpful? I wasn't aware all posts would be vetted by the boards religious police (ie you) for a helpfulness like in Saudi Arabia, but sure then I shouldn't be surprised that a nasty little right wing religious nut like you would look to Saudi for inspiration. Are there any other criteria we all need to be adhering to?
What are you even on about you tube . Right winged, religious, Saudi Arabia?
Clean mad Sur.
Embarrassing
It's not as embarrassing as when you realise the party in the north closest to your political beliefs is the DUP.
I'm
A a republican
B non practicing Catholic
C lifelong GAA member
D lifelong Irish language speaker
É trade union member
F Po EU
G Pro Life
h Anti SF
Explain . You can't coz you are a free stater who can't and will never get it
No way fear. You're not anti sf are you ;D
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
Unhelpful? I wasn't aware all posts would be vetted by the boards religious police (ie you) for a helpfulness like in Saudi Arabia, but sure then I shouldn't be surprised that a nasty little right wing religious nut like you would look to Saudi for inspiration. Are there any other criteria we all need to be adhering to?
What are you even on about you tube . Right winged, religious, Saudi Arabia?
Clean mad Sur.
Embarrassing
It's not as embarrassing as when you realise the party in the north closest to your political beliefs is the DUP.
I'm
A a republican
B non practicing Catholic
C lifelong GAA member
D lifelong Irish language speaker
É trade union member
F Po EU
G Pro Life
h Anti SF
Explain . You can't coz you are a free stater who can't and will never get it
You'll have to explain what a non practicing Catholic is? I think you are more DUP
1- anti SF
2- Pro Life
3- right wing
4- bitter as f**k
5- hate southerners (yet claim you want to reunite with us)
6- hypocrite on most topics
7- think no one has experienced the troubles more than you
f**k me you are Sammy Wilson in disguise.
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I would not let my son join the psni even though i support them and feel they are greatly improved service.
How would you stop him joining? I expect he would be an adult at the time of application. Me, I dont trust them and I doubt i ever will when they go around with a crown on their jackets.
Do you not live in Free State? maybe im wrong
I do, your not wrong. Not claiming to have know PSNI better than you boys.
Its our business up here, we dont need free state wannabe chuckies firing fuel to a fire they know nowt about.
Let me know when you officially speak on behalf of everyone in the North, ie when you are 1st minister or equivalent.
I've more right than you, now batter on somewhere else where you actually might know what you are talking about
You and I have no more right than each other to claim to speak on behalf of other people. Until you get elected I suppose that would remain the case. The difference is I spoke on behalf of my own opinion and you claimed to speak on behalf of others. You also don't decide who can or can not post on a thread nor can you decide what a woman does with her body. I think you are a bit of a slow learner.
you started off with an unhelpful comment, the type of shit that comes from people living removed in relative safety from the problem. Mind your own business or start a thread up about the guards. As i said a wannabe free state chucky.
Unhelpful? I wasn't aware all posts would be vetted by the boards religious police (ie you) for a helpfulness like in Saudi Arabia, but sure then I shouldn't be surprised that a nasty little right wing religious nut like you would look to Saudi for inspiration. Are there any other criteria we all need to be adhering to?
What are you even on about you tube . Right winged, religious, Saudi Arabia?
Clean mad Sur.
Embarrassing
It's not as embarrassing as when you realise the party in the north closest to your political beliefs is the DUP.
I'm
A a republican
B non practicing Catholic
C lifelong GAA member
D lifelong Irish language speaker
É trade union member
F Po EU
G Pro Life
h Anti SF
Explain . You can't coz you are a free stater who can't and will never get it
You'll have to explain what a non practicing Catholic is? I think you are more DUP
1- anti SF
2- Pro Life
3- right wing
4- bitter as f**k
5- hate southerners (yet claim you want to reunite with us)
6- hypocrite on most topics
7- think no one has experienced the troubles more than you
f**k me you are Sammy Wilson in disguise.
Are you deliberately pretending to be stupid .
It's someone christened into the faith who no longer attends mass.
In case you didn't realise there is a substantial anti SF nationalist vote
Very substaintial nationalist pro life vote. Points 3-7 are just testament to your stupidity. No evidence and idiotic. Right wing sweet Jesus, gone lay off the Woke Weekly Magazine. Gimp
Btw your beloved SF abstained on the same abortion vote they voted for in the south. Oh and they have stopped calling it women's health care up here. Tells you a good bit about them
Be in no doubt, the PSNI at a community level, has some way to go yet.
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
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Be in no doubt, the PSNI at a community level, has some way to go yet.
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
There are more Catholics than Protestants, still quite a contrast.
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Be in no doubt, the PSNI at a community level, has some way to go yet.
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
There are more Catholics than Protestants, still quite a contrast.
Serious amount of Catholics being arrested! It's not like they are being arrested and charged for being Catholics, they were obviously up to no good, granted there is no way the figures should be like that, and if it actually is then this should be in the WTF thread
It would be interested to see a demographic breakdown of the whole thing. You wonder are there more in certain areas than others.
Not to defend the PSNI but you do wonder about poverty etc leading to crime and on top of question marks on the PSNI does it also raise questions on wealth distribution.
Also you would have thought with specific things like parades and protests on various things like protocols etc etc that would bump up the "them" number.
I see rumours about a PSNI officer shot in Omagh tonight. Not sure of details yet.
Edit:up on bbcni now. Off duty apparently.
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I see rumours about a PSNI officer shot in Omagh tonight. Not sure of details yet.
Edit:up on bbcni now. Off duty apparently.
Yep not rumours - Apparently shout outside sports complex. If it's anything paramilitary related they really are f**king clowns
This is not good.
F+cking senseless
A detective inspector according to the Belfast Telegraph
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A detective inspector according to the Belfast Telegraph
Possibly not political then. Maybe a drug gang? Who knows.
Was off duty and dropping his kids off at football practice. Multiple gunshot wounds and it's touch and go for him.
Awful
Christ Omagh have had it rough! Dissidents under Brit agents instructions? DUP will be delighted.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 22, 2023, 10:00:36 PM
Christ Omagh have had it rough! Dissidents under Brit agents instructions? DUP will be delighted.
So we know it was a dirty war but now in these days your thinking he was set up by his own?
Dissidents always seem to do something self defeating every time the DUP is under pressure. Complete fukw1t5.
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Christ Omagh have had it rough! Dissidents under Brit agents instructions? DUP will be delighted.
So we know it was a dirty war but now in these days your thinking he was set up by his own?
Here I could be miles off but I'm in the same train of thought as LeoMc. These morons always do something when unionism is in the gutter. Stir the pot. Ahh sure they're all the same etc etc
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
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Dissidents always seem to do something self defeating every time the DUP is under pressure. Complete fukw1t5.
Are there even any dissidents not controlled by MI5? Bit convenient they only do shite like that when the DUP'ers need a distraction!
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 22, 2023, 10:00:36 PM
Christ Omagh have had it rough! Dissidents under Brit agents instructions? DUP will be delighted.
"While dissident republicans from the New IRA would have a small base in Co Tyrone, the detective targeted would also have been involved in investigating organised crime gangs."
From Belfast Telegraph. Whilst this has hallmarks of dissident republicans actions in the past (hopefully), we also have loyalists trying to stoke up tensions and a very active drug crime scene in the North and South
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
I'm far from a fan of the cops but thats rough on the kids. Hope he recovers.
Maybe not dissidents then?
When was the last cop that was killed by criminal gangs that aren't linked to paramilitaries?
Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
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Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
I'd say its very early to be jumping to that conclusion?
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Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
I'd say its very early to be jumping to that conclusion?
But ok to jump to conclusions that the MI5 arranged it!!
Christ
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Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
I'd say its very early to be jumping to that conclusion?
Few Shinners putting out statements hinting at it too.
Thread on Twitter here with the details
https://twitter.com/republicmedia16/status/1628503412391174145?s=46&t=naMfyEcBwaLjrTj2OrZFEQ
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2023, 10:12:23 PM
Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
Not saying he is wrong but how would he know?
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
HH I'm not the sharpest at the best of times man! :-X
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
HH I'm not the sharpest at the best of times man! :-X
Think of the high profile murder here on the date of the World Cup final.
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Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
Not saying he is wrong but how would he know?
He's MLA for the area and probably been talking to police etc.. Look at link I posted earlier in the thread, apparently dissidents been active in the area
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Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
HH I'm not the sharpest at the best of times man! :-X
Think of the high profile murder here on the date of the World Cup final.
Thank you, but that's surely a stretch.
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Dissidents apparently - Daniel McCrossan SDLP put out a statement
Not saying he is wrong but how would he know?
He's MLA for the area and probably been talking to police etc.. Look at link I posted earlier in the thread, apparently dissidents been active in the area
Yeah. I since read that
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Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
HH I'm not the sharpest at the best of times man! :-X
Think of the high profile murder here on the date of the World Cup final.
Lurgan did come to mind but jeez can't see it.
Think it would be more to do with another high profile murder in Lurgan short time after that rather than the one mentioned.
Rumours of it being part of a drug fued make absolutely no sense. With Dissidents the killing of a Police man is a goal in itself.
What is the end goal for a drug gang? They don't want to bring the police down on them, they want to carry on their trade and make their money without police scrutiny.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 22, 2023, 11:00:34 PM
Rumours of it being part of a drug fued make absolutely no sense. With Dissidents the end goal is the killing of a Police man. What is the end goal for a drug gang? They don't want to bring the police down on them, they want to carry on their trade out of the spotlight.
Not talking about this guy but sometimes drug gangs have cops on their pay roll and will kill then if they are no longer useful/doing what the gang require.
I'd be inclined to believe this was dissidents
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Quote from: LeoMc on February 22, 2023, 11:00:34 PM
Rumours of it being part of a drug fued make absolutely no sense. With Dissidents the end goal is the killing of a Police man. What is the end goal for a drug gang? They don't want to bring the police down on them, they want to carry on their trade out of the spotlight.
Not talking about this guy but sometimes drug gangs have cops on their pay roll and will kill then if they are no longer useful/doing what the gang require.
I'd be inclined to believe this was dissidents
More than likely you'd imagine. Who else would want to? Talk of dirty cops beingnbumped off by drug gangs sounds abit too tv show to me?
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Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
HH I'm not the sharpest at the best of times man! :-X
Think of the high profile murder here on the date of the World Cup final.
I never really followed the case that closely. Was the guy charged dodgy?
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 22, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Was playing football here last night. The policeman's kids were there and witnessed it. Policeman involved has been in the media a lot recently with a very high profile case in the North.
Utter scum, hearing multiple different sources suggesting that this might not be straightforward dissidents.
Can you share what the high profile case involved OG? No bother if not
Think of the world cup final
Too cryptic big lad.
HH I'm not the sharpest at the best of times man! :-X
Think of the high profile murder here on the date of the World Cup final.
I never really followed the case that closely. Was the guy charged dodgy?
Don't think anyone is implying that it is linked to that murder. Just highlighting that the officer shot was very much involved in the manhunt. Various different televised public statements, which he led.
This crap has no place in the North.
Thoughts with the poor man's family.
I don't know who's more deluded, the arseholes who think assassinating a cop pursues some political agenda or the clowns on here who's first reaction is "oh this suit the DUP, it must have been MI5. Ussuns wouldn't do something like this so it had to be themmums"
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Thoughts with the poor man's family.
I don't know who's more deluded, the arseholes who think assassinating a cop pursues some political agenda or the clowns on here who's first reaction is "oh this suit the DUP, it must have been MI5. Ussuns wouldn't do something like this so it had to be themmums"
Realistically there are no dissidents around now and any that are a full of moles, thats pretty common knowledge. Hardly that much of a stretch.
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I see rumours about a PSNI officer shot in Omagh tonight. Not sure of details yet.
Edit:up on bbcni now. Off duty apparently.
Yep not rumours - Apparently shout outside sports complex. If it's anything paramilitary related they really are f**king clowns
Wankers
f**king senseless
Tele says he's critical but stable.
apparently he was involved in a big drug bust maybe drug addicts or drug dealers involved
https://www.yourlurgan.com/news/2023/01/17/news/shane-whitla-murder-41-year-old-man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-38158/
According to sky news he was coaching a youth Gaelic football team
Think it might have been Beragh Swifts he was with? That place is a hub of activity at night. Carrickmore senior ladies and the local running club were there at the time also.
It's nothing short of a disgrace.
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Christ Omagh have had it rough! Dissidents under Brit agents instructions? DUP will be delighted.
So we know it was a dirty war but now in these days your thinking he was set up by his own?
Here I could be miles off but I'm in the same train of thought as LeoMc. These morons always do something when unionism is in the gutter. Stir the pot. Ahh sure they're all the same etc etc
As a clarification, I am just saying that the Dissidents are complete fukw1t5 with an inability to read the room.
This is not acceptable in this day and age, these morons have no right or reason to do this. This man was leading the investigation into the murder of Natalie McNally apparently. words just fail me. How can anyone harbour these people. Someone knows who they are and meanwhile the rest of the nationalist community will be tainted by association by unionist extremists.
So perhaps targeted by dissidents due to his profile ?
Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
Absolutely shocking to gun down someone in front of his child. Giving up his free time to coach kids like many of us. The people who carried out this attack are utter pond scum and have no place in our society.
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Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
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Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
And the necessity is?
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 23, 2023, 08:47:24 AM
So perhaps targeted by dissidents due to his profile ?
Maybe because he was the only PSNI officer they had the ability to attack. Maybe seeing him on TV allowed someone to figure out "there's yer man that coaches Beragh Swifts, didn't realise he was a Police man"
Shooting a man in front of children shows a desperation to prove they are still relevant.
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Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
And the necessity is?
I'm of course writing my own fiction here, but the scenario that seems most plausible to me goes along the lines of: barely functional paramilitary organisation gets their package wholesale from Dublin cartel on tick; barely functional paramilitary organisation spends money before paying cartel, cartel "offers" opportunity for debt to be wiped, but it needs done immediately, and given that the alternative would see them entering a short and futile war with a cartel, the barely functional paramilitary organisation goes to work at first opportunity, regardless of circumstance or consequence.
There's no basis for this other than a hunch. Something just doesn't fit the picture of a straight up paramilitary killing, mainly because whatever organisation is behind this, will be forced under a stone for the next decade while PSNI build a case and make their lives misery.
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Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
And the necessity is?
I'm of course writing my own fiction here, but the scenario that seems most plausible to me goes along the lines of: barely functional paramilitary organisation gets their package wholesale from Dublin cartel on tick; barely functional paramilitary organisation spends money before paying cartel, cartel "offers" opportunity for debt to be wiped, but it needs done immediately, and given that the alternative would see them entering a short and futile war with a cartel, the barely functional paramilitary organisation goes to work at first opportunity, regardless of circumstance or consequence.
There's no basis for this other than a hunch. Something just doesn't fit the picture of a straight up paramilitary killing, mainly because whatever organisation is behind this, will be forced under a stone for the next decade while PSNI build a case and make their lives misery.
This is most likely the same crowd that shot dead a journalist because they thought their weaponry was capable of penetrating an armoured Land Rover.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 23, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
This is not acceptable in this day and age, these morons have no right or reason to do this. This man was leading the investigation into the murder of Natalie McNally apparently. words just fail me. How can anyone harbour these people. Someone knows who they are and meanwhile the rest of the nationalist community will be tainted by association by unionist extremists.
Is it not the Whitla murder he was on?
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Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
And the necessity is?
I'm of course writing my own fiction here, but the scenario that seems most plausible to me goes along the lines of: barely functional paramilitary organisation gets their package wholesale from Dublin cartel on tick; barely functional paramilitary organisation spends money before paying cartel, cartel "offers" opportunity for debt to be wiped, but it needs done immediately, and given that the alternative would see them entering a short and futile war with a cartel, the barely functional paramilitary organisation goes to work at first opportunity, regardless of circumstance or consequence.
There's no basis for this other than a hunch. Something just doesn't fit the picture of a straight up paramilitary killing, mainly because whatever organisation is behind this, will be forced under a stone for the next decade while PSNI build a case and make their lives misery.
Why would Dublin based cartel want to bring additional Police attention upon themselves?
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Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
And the necessity is?
I'm of course writing my own fiction here, but the scenario that seems most plausible to me goes along the lines of: barely functional paramilitary organisation gets their package wholesale from Dublin cartel on tick; barely functional paramilitary organisation spends money before paying cartel, cartel "offers" opportunity for debt to be wiped, but it needs done immediately, and given that the alternative would see them entering a short and futile war with a cartel, the barely functional paramilitary organisation goes to work at first opportunity, regardless of circumstance or consequence.
There's no basis for this other than a hunch. Something just doesn't fit the picture of a straight up paramilitary killing, mainly because whatever organisation is behind this, will be forced under a stone for the next decade while PSNI build a case and make their lives misery.
You are watching too much Netflix true crime shite. This is a simple opportunity to murder someone in cold blood at a kids training session, the police have come out and used two organisations and none are Dublin drug dealing groups
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This is not acceptable in this day and age, these morons have no right or reason to do this. This man was leading the investigation into the murder of Natalie McNally apparently. words just fail me. How can anyone harbour these people. Someone knows who they are and meanwhile the rest of the nationalist community will be tainted by association by unionist extremists.
Is it not the Whitla murder he was on?
Part of both.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2023, 08:50:10 AM
Why are people going down the drug route here? Seriously? the New IRA have been targeting police, this is even better at this time as it creates attention ... Standing over a man and shooting him while his kid is standing there is horrific
It wasn't right 50 years ago, and isn't right now
I know your angle here MR2. But taking the risk of gunning a man down in a crowded place, and the utter callousness of doing so in front of children, resonates as an act of necessity, rather than one of desire.
And the necessity is?
I'm of course writing my own fiction here, but the scenario that seems most plausible to me goes along the lines of: barely functional paramilitary organisation gets their package wholesale from Dublin cartel on tick; barely functional paramilitary organisation spends money before paying cartel, cartel "offers" opportunity for debt to be wiped, but it needs done immediately, and given that the alternative would see them entering a short and futile war with a cartel, the barely functional paramilitary organisation goes to work at first opportunity, regardless of circumstance or consequence.
There's no basis for this other than a hunch. Something just doesn't fit the picture of a straight up paramilitary killing, mainly because whatever organisation is behind this, will be forced under a stone for the next decade while PSNI build a case and make their lives misery.
You are watching too much Netflix true crime shite. This is a simple opportunity to murder someone in cold blood at a kids training session, the police have come out and used two organisations and none are Dublin drug dealing groups
Sounds too much like a plot from love hate or line of duty or something tbh. Surely any paramilitary killing will generate a similar response from the cops and force them under a rock.
Are the new IRA and drug dealers not connected and are the new iIRA not full of drug addicts they say you dont become drug dealer in the north without dissidents endorsing it or doing it.
You're probably right MR2.
As I say though, just doesn't feel like a "war against the Crown" killing. The same c***ts that did this would have untold opportunities in the average year to cold-blood kill a PSNI member, but it's never been high up on their "strategy" before... for as stupid as they are, they'd have known that this action closes down their operations for a long time. So why now?
But when you have only one brain cell and you need it for breathing then you can tell them the earth is flat they'll believe it!
If you tell them this will bring about Irish unity they'll go out there and think they are actually making a difference...
Wasted lives, or mental illness
Please stop with the drug links, what purpose does it serve?
That the basic point Armagh18.
This killing has effectively closed down whatever organisation they're involved with, for the foreseeable future. They are target number one for the PSNI now.
Why do that now?
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But when you have only one brain cell and you need it for breathing then you can tell them the earth is flat they'll believe it!
If you tell them this will bring about Irish unity they'll go out there and think they are actually making a difference...
Wasted lives, or mental illness
Please stop with the drug links, what purpose does it serve?
You are aware that within this one post you're condemning paramilitaries for believing anything they're told, while at same time getting upset that there might be more to this story than you want there to be?
Quote from: thewobbler on February 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM
That the basic point Armagh18.
This killing has effectively closed down whatever organisation they're involved with, for the foreseeable future. They are target number one for the PSNI now.
Why do that now?
Have they not been a target for the police anyways? This is perfect timing, all eyes are on NI due to the protocol, this just generates attention good or bad as they say any attention will suit.
But ones will be complaining soon about the police lifting suspected dissidents and giving them a hard time, all generates more interest and so on..
Could have been Arm Na Poblachta they have been active lately.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2023, 09:48:13 AM
But when you have only one brain cell and you need it for breathing then you can tell them the earth is flat they'll believe it!
If you tell them this will bring about Irish unity they'll go out there and think they are actually making a difference...
Wasted lives, or mental illness
Please stop with the drug links, what purpose does it serve?
You are aware that within this one post you're condemning paramilitaries for believing anything they're told, while at same time getting upset that there might be more to this story than you want there to be?
I asked the question, what purpose does it serve killing some cop?
Give me one actual link to this being related to drug cartels!! So far someone has said, he's mixed up with the drug dealers, taking money off them but now not helping them so they are taking him out? someone then said that he's heading up a drive to taking down drug dealers so a hit has been taken out on him?
Really? Would the easier be he is a cop and dissidents have tried to kill him? Because thats what they have been trying to do?
Quote from: thewobbler on February 23, 2023, 09:49:37 AM
That the basic point Armagh18.
This killing has effectively closed down whatever organisation they're involved with, for the foreseeable future. They are target number one for the PSNI now.
Why do that now?
They don't have a any strategy they are just a bunch of tools.
Very sad news, I hope the officer is ok. The police have changed greatly over the last 20 years and you have to respect them now.
These scumbags are toerags and have no support.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 23, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
You're probably right MR2.
As I say though, just doesn't feel like a "war against the Crown" killing. The same c***ts that did this would have untold opportunities in the average year to cold-blood kill a PSNI member, but it's never been high up on their "strategy" before... for as stupid as they are, they'd have known that this action closes down their operations for a long time. So why now?
This would be my thinking too, not saying it's not dissedants but not really their M.O usually it's a device left under a vehicle or a bogus call etc. many would say because they haven't the b*pls to do it so brazenly.
Drug gangs on the other hand are different, look at the last number of drug linked killings they all follow a similar pattern to this, excecution style regardless of who's about. Look at the 1 in lurgan, the one in the DC and the 1 outside st Mary's. All very similar to this one
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You're probably right MR2.
As I say though, just doesn't feel like a "war against the Crown" killing. The same c***ts that did this would have untold opportunities in the average year to cold-blood kill a PSNI member, but it's never been high up on their "strategy" before... for as stupid as they are, they'd have known that this action closes down their operations for a long time. So why now?
This would be my thinking too, not saying it's not dissedants but not really their M.O usually it's a device left under a vehicle or a bogus call etc. many would say because they haven't the b*pls to do it so brazenly.
Drug gangs on the other hand are different, look at the last number of drug linked killings they all follow a similar pattern to this, excecution style regardless of who's about. Look at the 1 in lurgan, the one in the DC and the 1 outside st Mary's. All very similar to this one
I can totally get that the MO is different but did they not spray a cop shop when a pizza guy was delivering pizza one time? Shooting in Derry killing a journalist
Taking a hit out on a cop is something from TV, taking an opportunity to get attention is the most logical though
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You're probably right MR2.
As I say though, just doesn't feel like a "war against the Crown" killing. The same c***ts that did this would have untold opportunities in the average year to cold-blood kill a PSNI member, but it's never been high up on their "strategy" before... for as stupid as they are, they'd have known that this action closes down their operations for a long time. So why now?
This would be my thinking too, not saying it's not dissedants but not really their M.O usually it's a device left under a vehicle or a bogus call etc. many would say because they haven't the b*pls to do it so brazenly.
Drug gangs on the other hand are different, look at the last number of drug linked killings they all follow a similar pattern to this, excecution style regardless of who's about. Look at the 1 in lurgan, the one in the DC and the 1 outside st Mary's. All very similar to this one
I can totally get that the MO is different but did they not spray a cop shop when a pizza guy was delivering pizza one time? Shooting in Derry killing a journalist
Taking a hit out on a cop is something from TV, taking an opportunity to get attention is the most logical though
I get that but both those occasions I'd say we're with some sort of cover, this just seems more brazen for them, unless it's a different tactic to drum up more fear.
I agree it would be strange for it to be drug related but tbh nothing really surprises me anymore.
Believe it or not the thing that would lead me to agree it's prob dissidents and not drug gang is the fact he wasn't killed, the drug gangs tend to do the job right
They would still be involved in criminality even if there was an united Ireland.
I was egging that fella and his colleagues on to find Natalie McNally's murderer and it seems they did an amazing job. I hope he makes a full recovery. Absolute Neanderthals running around playing guns. They should just fcuk off.
3 arrests made, in the Omagh and Coalisland areas
Arrests made in Omagh and Coalisland
The three men arrested are aged 38, 45 and 47.
They were detained in Omagh and Coalisland.
PSNI Chief Constable Simon Byrne said: "They are currently being questioned by detectives at Musgrave serious crime suite."
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3 arrests made, in the Omagh and Coalisland areas
That was quick
I assume three arrests so quickly is "shaking the tree" ?
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I assume three arrests so quickly is "shaking the tree" ?
You'd have to assume so. Apparently houses raided in Strabane also
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 23, 2023, 12:05:30 PM
I assume three arrests so quickly is "shaking the tree" ?
I assumed anyone on the police radar within the local area will be brought in for questioning and it seems to be the case this morning
As I said earlier this just generates more attention.. lads being brought in with probably zero connection to this particular attempt.
Kids will be out throwing stones later
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Quote from: Applesisapples on February 23, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
This is not acceptable in this day and age, these morons have no right or reason to do this. This man was leading the investigation into the murder of Natalie McNally apparently. words just fail me. How can anyone harbour these people. Someone knows who they are and meanwhile the rest of the nationalist community will be tainted by association by unionist extremists.
Is it not the Whitla murder he was on?
I heard he was on the Whitla case.
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Would it have been less cowardly or got more support of it wasn't in front of children?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 23, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
This is not acceptable in this day and age, these morons have no right or reason to do this. This man was leading the investigation into the murder of Natalie McNally apparently. words just fail me. How can anyone harbour these people. Someone knows who they are and meanwhile the rest of the nationalist community will be tainted by association by unionist extremists.
Is it not the Whitla murder he was on?
Both
What club was he doing coaching for?
Beragh Swifts u15
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Would it have been less cowardly or got more support of it wasn't in front of children?
Not my point.
My sentiment is that to shoot a man dead is disgusting but to do it front of his child is on another level.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Would it have been less cowardly or got more support of it wasn't in front of children?
Yeah we'd have given them a parade for doing it.
Ffs. It's a horrible act, made worse by the fact that children were there.
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Would it have been less cowardly or got more support of it wasn't in front of children?
Not my point.
My sentiment is that to shoot a man dead is disgusting but to do it front of his child is on another level.
Exactly. Although the fella isn't dead in this case, thank god.
These guys are vermin who should be rounded up and do serious time. I still have a dislike and a mistrust for the police but when you see the Natalie Mc Nally case we can't do without them.
But I'd ask questions of SF policy regarding these scum's strong holds (Coalisland, Strabane, Newry, Derry) over the last 25 years. Deprived areas, with little or no social investment. Republican heartlands of South Armagh and West Belfast don't have issues with these guys. Was it because there was plenty of jobs for the boys post 1997? 2.8 million investment recently announced for Camlough for a canoeing centre just one example.
There is no justification for last night investment or not in areas, but could more be done on the ground to reach out to the young ones before they are caught up with New IRA or whatever else they are calling themselves.
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Would it have been less cowardly or got more support of it wasn't in front of children?
Not my point.
My sentiment is that to shoot a man dead is disgusting but to do it front of his child is on another level.
Tonto in going out of his way to be offended shocker
Quote from: pbat on February 23, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
These guys are vermin who should be rounded up and do serious time. I still have a dislike and a mistrust for the police but when you see the Natalie Mc Nally case we can't do without them.
But I'd ask questions of SF policy regarding these scum's strong holds (Coalisland, Strabane, Newry, Derry) over the last 25 years. Deprived areas, with little or no social investment. Republican heartlands of South Armagh and West Belfast don't have issues with these guys. Was it because there was plenty of jobs for the boys post 1997? 2.8 million investment recently announced for Camlough for a canoeing centre just one example.
There is no justification for last night investment or not in areas, but could more be done on the ground to reach out to the young ones before they are caught up with New IRA or whatever else they are calling themselves.
+1 I was brought up in an area where police weren't to be trusted and it probably has followed me longer than it should but this type of thing makes me really realise that police are part of society and these headcases need to be stopped.
I think they are such a small collection that it's now down to families passing this on and not community's. IMO
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 23, 2023, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 23, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: WT4E on February 23, 2023, 01:46:46 PM
SCUM - Shooting someone at all a bad job... but to do it in front of a young son. I hope they catch them and society turn their backs on their like!
You wouldnt get 0.1% who'd support that. Bad cowardly act in front of children.
Would it have been less cowardly or got more support of it wasn't in front of children?
Not my point.
My sentiment is that to shoot a man dead is disgusting but to do it front of his child is on another level.
Tonto in going out of his way to be offended shocker
Wasn't offended in the slightest. Try again. I wasn't replying to WT4E either
Are the Guards helping to pick up the drug dealers involved with this hit?
If this was the New IRA would they be of the sort to claim responsibility for the attack? I know they did when Lyra McKee was murdered
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Arrests made in Omagh and Coalisland
The three men arrested are aged 38, 45 and 47.
They were detained in Omagh and Coalisland.
PSNI Chief Constable Simon Byrne said: "They are currently being questioned by detectives at Musgrave serious crime suite."
One thing for certain they hardly lifted them at their work. The pond life who still support this sh#te are all useless f@ckers who would not know what a days work is. The irony of them trying to free Ireland from Britain is them and the generation before them and probably after them will lie about and take everything they can from the British Government in terms of welfare benefits, housing etc. For a lot of these boys it would be a stretch for them to spell the word republican.
colleagues of PSNI officer John Caldwell believe he has been the victim of a personal grudge that developed during his work as senior detective, and may well know his attackers.
Mr Caldwell remains under armed guard in hospital where he is in a critical but stable condition after sustaining multiple gunshot wounds on February 22.
He was standing at the boot of his car with his teenage son when two masked men opened fire inside the carpark of the Youth Sports Centre in Omagh hitting Mr Caldwell several times.
Read more: Senior PSNI officer shot 'in front of young people by masked men'- LIVE updates
Now the job of investigating the attempted murder of the Detective Chief Inspector has fallen to colleagues, many of whom have worked closely with him in the recent past.
And while they believe dissident republicans are behind the attack, they feel this was much more than the attempted murder of a random police officer, this was a premeditated, planned and targeted assassination attempt.
One security source told Belfast Live: "This wasn't just a hit on a policeman, this was a hit on John himself, targeted specifically because of the work he does, targeted because of the difficulties he poses for the people he seeks to bring to justice.
"We believe there's a very clear personal element to this attack on John and we believe that John would know his attackers at the very least, by name.
Quote from: Nanderson on February 23, 2023, 05:45:05 PM
If this was the New IRA would they be of the sort to claim responsibility for the attack? I know they did when Lyra McKee was murdered
You'd imagine so, but theres probably lots of little separate groups claiming to be the new ira or whatever other name they give themselves. I know there was a statement released when Lyra McKee was killed saying that she wasnt the target.
Another arrest made in Coalisland area. Younger fella this time
What's the source of what you pasted eire90?
If that's true does that mean it wasn't a republican group or it was? I guess it's not really that conclusive.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 24, 2023, 11:33:22 AM
What's the source of what you pasted eire90?
If that's true does that mean it wasn't a republican group or it was? I guess it's not really that conclusive.
It's a Belfast live article
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/omagh-shooting-psni-detective-john-26316264
Quote from: Eire90 on February 24, 2023, 11:53:50 AM
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/omagh-shooting-psni-detective-john-26316264
Who is the source?
Was thinking its H
serious question, how many psni members are involved in your club? How many police officers do you know personally? I would say the majority of peoples answer is No.
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2023, 12:58:17 PM
serious question, how many psni members are involved in your club? How many police officers do you know personally? I would say the majority of peoples answer is No.
0. No burning desire to change that lol
Don't know any & don't want to know any
Thats the attitude why there are lunatics running around shooting men putting a bag of footballs into a car
Quote from: Hereiam on February 24, 2023, 01:45:00 PM
Don't know any & don't want to know any
Would you call them if your are in trouble or the lads at the from the New IRA?
Depressing reading some the stuff here. "Don't know any & don't want to know any" "0. No burning desire to change that lol" real teenage hardman shite. Bet you all want a UI but aren't will to put in any work. The PSNI will be a police force in a UI and we will need them. No wonder people think they can shoot someone coaching kids. Have a word with yourselves ffs.
I find it hard to understand the hate for the PSNI from people of a certain generation
Bit of grandstanding above lads. It's perfectly legitimate to have a distrust of the PSNI without being of the same mindset as the dissident clowns trying to target them. I posted the below at the start of this thread:
Quote from: Snapchap on November 02, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
Added to that legitimate concerns about lingering sectarianism within the force....
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants)
If in this day and age we have a police force that is twice as likely to arrest a Catholic as a Protestant, then surely it's hard for anyone to deny that it still has a way to go before it can be considered to be truly reformed. Surely it's acceptable to say as much? Or does that fact that braindead dissidents are carrying out their sporadic attacks mean we aren't allowed to have any feelings of distrust?
Quote from: Snapchap on February 24, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
Bit of grandstanding above lads. It's perfectly legitimate to have a distrust of the PSNI without being of the same mindset as the dissident clowns trying to target them. I posted the below at the start of this thread:
Quote from: Snapchap on November 02, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
Added to that legitimate concerns about lingering sectarianism within the force....
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants)
If in this day and age we have a police force that is twice as likely to arrest a Catholic as a Protestant, then surely it's hard for anyone to deny that it still has a way to go before it can be considered to be truly reformed. Surely it's acceptable to say as much? Or does that fact that braindead dissidents are carrying out their sporadic attacks mean we aren't allowed to have any feelings of distrust?
How would you change that ethos?
I'd begin by getting more Nationalists to join and that needs to come about by our community (esp GAA) supporting ppl who want to join. Acting the hard man saying I don't want to know any isn't helpful.
But we saw how Kickam's supported one of their members. He eventually had his legs blown off. It all feeds in.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 24, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
Bit of grandstanding above lads. It's perfectly legitimate to have a distrust of the PSNI without being of the same mindset as the dissident clowns trying to target them. I posted the below at the start of this thread:
Quote from: Snapchap on November 02, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
Added to that legitimate concerns about lingering sectarianism within the force....
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants)
If in this day and age we have a police force that is twice as likely to arrest a Catholic as a Protestant, then surely it's hard for anyone to deny that it still has a way to go before it can be considered to be truly reformed. Surely it's acceptable to say as much? Or does that fact that braindead dissidents are carrying out their sporadic attacks mean we aren't allowed to have any feelings of distrust?
I work with ex PSNI officers. Even they distrust the PSNI and don't have much good to say about them. That said, the current serving officers I know are sound
What is the percentage of Catholics in the PSNI? 30% approx ?
Snapchat makes a good point. I can trust the police on day-to-day matters but when it comes to legacy issues they still stink.
Quote from: general_lee on February 24, 2023, 04:07:59 PM
Snapchat makes a good point. I can trust the police on day-to-day matters but when it comes to legacy issues they still stink.
He's also talking about day to day stuff, arrest rates etc
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on February 24, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
Bit of grandstanding above lads. It's perfectly legitimate to have a distrust of the PSNI without being of the same mindset as the dissident clowns trying to target them. I posted the below at the start of this thread:
Quote from: Snapchap on November 02, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
Added to that legitimate concerns about lingering sectarianism within the force....
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants)
If in this day and age we have a police force that is twice as likely to arrest a Catholic as a Protestant, then surely it's hard for anyone to deny that it still has a way to go before it can be considered to be truly reformed. Surely it's acceptable to say as much? Or does that fact that braindead dissidents are carrying out their sporadic attacks mean we aren't allowed to have any feelings of distrust?
How would you change that ethos?
I'd begin by getting more Nationalists to join and that needs to come about by our community (esp GAA) supporting ppl who want to join. Acting the hard man saying I don't want to know any isn't helpful.
But we saw how Kickam's supported one of their members. He eventually had his legs blown off. It all feeds in.
An organisation has to change from the top down. The GAA isn't going to reform the PSNI and it's silly to suggest it will. Catholic recruitment to it has plummeted in recent years and that's not the fault of nationalism or of the GAA. When at senior level it is still so overtly trying to obstruct victims of collusion at every possible turn, then what message does that send out to the public and what ethos does that allow to trickle down the ranks? Surely when it's revealed that the police force of this state is still twice as likely to arrest someone who is a Catholic than a Protestant, then it's not up to Catholics/the GAA to do something about it and surely it's perfectly acceptable for someone to have feelings of mistrust of the organisation without them being vilified and being accused of somehow creating an atmosphere that encourages dissidents.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 24, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
Bit of grandstanding above lads. It's perfectly legitimate to have a distrust of the PSNI without being of the same mindset as the dissident clowns trying to target them. I posted the below at the start of this thread:
Quote from: Snapchap on November 02, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Undoubtedly a different force on the ground than the RUC was. At senior, leadership level though, I don't see a big sea change. Ask any family trying to get to the truth surroundig cases involving collusion/suspected collusion, and they'll tell you about PSNI obstruction.
This was the front page story in the Irish News only last week:
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/10/25/news/psni-accused-of-attempting-to-thwart-publication-of-police-ombudsman-report-into-loyalist-murders-2488795/)
Go back to 2019, and a Court of Appeal found the PSNI had unlawfully failed to conduct an independent probe into alleged state collusion with the Glenane Gang. The judge found the PSNI treatment of the victims' families as "unfair in the extreme".
In February 2018 it was inadvertently discovered through civil proceedings that several thousand documents, crucial to an Ombusdman investigation into 10 UDA murders in South Belfast, had not been provided by the PSNI to the Ombudsman.
In 2017, the High Court ordered the PSNI to meet with the Glenanne Gang victim's families within 5 weeks. They failed to obey the ruling.
I could post examples all day long, and the theme is the same - obstruction.
Added to that legitimate concerns about lingering sectarianism within the force....
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-twice-the-number-of-catholics-than-protestants-arrested-and-charged-by-psni)
https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants (https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/nearly-twice-as-many-security-stop-and-searches-on-catholics-as-protestants)
If in this day and age we have a police force that is twice as likely to arrest a Catholic as a Protestant, then surely it's hard for anyone to deny that it still has a way to go before it can be considered to be truly reformed. Surely it's acceptable to say as much? Or does that fact that braindead dissidents are carrying out their sporadic attacks mean we aren't allowed to have any feelings of distrust?
Great points to put across to be fair. I could only state that corruption in police forces is not exclusive to the psni unfortunately.
I think there is a mindset still in place that Catholics in the north should be predisposed to distrusting police, which should no longer be the case.
I'm sure like anything there'll be sound cops and complete arseholes. They don't help themselves by going after people for silly shite like motoring offences, putting up posts about catching someone with tinted windows or a bald tyre acting as if they've just stopped Pablo Escobar while the streets are filled with drug dealers and thieves and burglars walk free. Lost what little respect I had for them when your man stood in the middle of Cross a couple of years back on Christmas morning with a couple of gobshites either side of him holding machine guns and posted the photo. Completely unnecessary and totally inflammatory given the history of the place.
If there ever was to come a day again that a cop needed a machine gun in Cross, he wouldn't have time to be standing smiling for a photograph ffs.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 24, 2023, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 24, 2023, 04:07:59 PM
Snapchat makes a good point. I can trust the police on day-to-day matters but when it comes to legacy issues they still stink.
He's also talking about day to day stuff, arrest rates etc
Do you think the disproportionate amount of Catholics arrested is related to some sectarian policy? Or is it more to do with demographics?
I once applied to join the cops actually. It was around the very early days of the psni and to be honest all I was seeing was pound signs.
Got through the first few bits then had a car accident the day before the next stage and pulled out. In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't join for a great many reasons. I would have been shit at the job, my head would go looking over my shoulder all the time and I would probably have to live somewhere else than I do now.
I do know quite a few Catholics who joined around that time but to be honest, most of them moved away to other towns and I haven't saw them in years.
Lads from any community should be able to join the peelers without having to move out of their community or look under the car. The PSNI aren't perfect but neither are they the RUC. It could be another generation before the rotten apples from the RUC are pensioned off, but if people from our communities don't feel safe joining we'll end up returning to a 95% protestant police force.
But they can't, young lad up the road from me joined the police,literally hasn't ever been bck from the day he joined, fathers funeral aside. All the talk was xxxxx joined the police. Nobody encouraged to join the police, u couldn't live in the same area as u joined, half the locals wouldnt talk to u. Too big a chance on blow-ins coming in to Bobby trap a car. Till local parties openly push for catholics to join the police /(not say its OK, but activately are going round in the bck ground with the opposite agenda). Some day in the future, I think you find there come a situation where u want as many catholics in the police force as possible, especially if a referendum occurs!
I wouldn't like being a cop and living in South Derry. Says it all really. Long way to go.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2023, 06:35:44 PM
But they can't, young lad up the road from me joined the police,literally hasn't ever been bck from the day he joined, fathers funeral aside. All the talk was xxxxx joined the police. Nobody encouraged to join the police, u couldn't live in the same area as u joined, half the locals wouldnt talk to u. Too big a chance on blow-ins coming in to Bobby trap a car. Till local parties openly push for catholics to join the police /(not say its OK, but activately are going round in the bck ground with the opposite agenda). Some day in the future, I think you find there come a situation where u want as many catholics in the police force as possible, especially if a referendum occurs!
Similarly I was good mates with a fella in Uni who failed all his exams at Christmas in final year. Were recruiting for PSNI at the time and he said f this and thought of the pound signs. Big f**ker who if in the South would defo be a Guard.
He left and joined the PSNI. Had to leave his town and live somewhere like Limavady or some shite last I heard. Couldn't go back home unless random drop in and away every load of months. Big GAA fan from wee Town in Tyrone. Huge Nationalist too.
I'd rather clean piss from bins than have to leave my life and live in the shadows. Haven't seen him in years, heard he married another cop....that's another thing, I hear they regularly inter marry and only really befriend each other
Needs to change, it can't stay like that forever
f**king bizarre place where we have people living beside us, opposite us, a mile away or whatever and we're all secretive and wary etc. It's a pile of shite
Went to school with a lad joined the NIPS. Haven't seen him since uni
Story goes he was in uni and decided wasn't for him and decided to go to irish army. Failed the psych test and wasn't eligible to be given a gun..... PSNI welcomed him with open arms and armed him up.
Funny enough had another friend who didn't know him got stopped for speeding and he let him off based on his address and that he knew me. Never thought I'd see the day.
From a very nationalist town.
From the north coast you would have many a soccer team which has cops or prison guards playing as well as well known drug dealers/drug runners.
I know of a couple of Gaelic players who have joined the police and most have had to eventually stop, however was usually to do with shift pattern and that. Most of these where moved away from home and working or where still living in the area but working miles away
I see this morning on twitter Coalisland getting a bit of a kicking. I'd be pretty sure every right minded person in that town will be disgusted with what happened on Wednesday night.
I know of a couple of guys from the locality who apparently joined the police. Not close enough to it ever being confirmed by family or whatever but they just disappeared and live gods knows where now. It's sad too. I have no issue supporting the police and acknowledge they have to be supported for us to have a normal society however it does still make you wonder when you see in these historic cases where the hierarchy are deliberately frustrating the legal process. I wouldn't encourage my children or relatives to join and I suppose that's the problem. You know we need to but wouldn't want your own there. I also know a couple from around the same area who are in the guards. Not big republicans or anything. Just wouldn't have felt safe joining psni.
I know of a cop who lives in the area where he grew up. Totally nationalist areas and everyone knows what he does. Just lives a normal life
About 6 police and 5 prison officers in my estate, only is about 60 houses too.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 24, 2023, 04:59:41 PM
I'm sure like anything there'll be sound cops and complete arseholes. They don't help themselves by going after people for silly shite like motoring offences, putting up posts about catching someone with tinted windows or a bald tyre acting as if they've just stopped Pablo Escobar while the streets are filled with drug dealers and thieves and burglars walk free. Lost what little respect I had for them when your man stood in the middle of Cross a couple of years back on Christmas morning with a couple of gobshites either side of him holding machine guns and posted the photo. Completely unnecessary and totally inflammatory given the history of the place.
If there ever was to come a day again that a cop needed a machine gun in Cross, he wouldn't have time to be standing smiling for a photograph ffs.
That's quite literally their job and it's not just the PSNI that stop for motoring offences
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 25, 2023, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 24, 2023, 04:59:41 PM
I'm sure like anything there'll be sound cops and complete arseholes. They don't help themselves by going after people for silly shite like motoring offences, putting up posts about catching someone with tinted windows or a bald tyre acting as if they've just stopped Pablo Escobar while the streets are filled with drug dealers and thieves and burglars walk free. Lost what little respect I had for them when your man stood in the middle of Cross a couple of years back on Christmas morning with a couple of gobshites either side of him holding machine guns and posted the photo. Completely unnecessary and totally inflammatory given the history of the place.
If there ever was to come a day again that a cop needed a machine gun in Cross, he wouldn't have time to be standing smiling for a photograph ffs.
That's quite literally their job and it's not just the PSNI that stop for motoring offences
Exactly. Why do people think they are able to do whatever they want when they go behind the wheel?
PSNI take orders from MI5 and they're a different kettle of fish. How many nationalists/Catholics are in MI5? How many MI5 is there in the HQ in Palace Barracks? Does anyone actually believe MI5 stop at the border and don't operate in the South also?
There's hundreds of cases where MI5 involvement is suspicious and their motives unclear to say the least even in recent years.
Who even works for them English,Scots and local Unionists?
Their whole presence is very strange in the North and it's rarely commented on by media or politicians, most likely they are deliberately kept out of the media. Do believe they truthfully are non political?
I can only imagine how quickly roads would descend into rivers of blood, should a police force every decide not to pursue motoring offences.!
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 25, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
About 6 police and 5 prison officers in my estate, only is about 60 houses too.
Least your estate will be safe enough and they only ever patrol their own houses from what I've seen. I live in a Nationalist area, I stress nationalist, not Republican in any way, only time Police are seen is on days of parades, how is Nationalist confidence in them ever supposed to grow when they make it so clear they're only here to keep us in line
Quote from: full moon on February 25, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
PSNI take orders from MI5 and they're a different kettle of fish. How many nationalists/Catholics are in MI5? How many MI5 is there in the HQ in Palace Barracks? Does anyone actually believe MI5 stop at the border and don't operate in the South also?
There's hundreds of cases where MI5 involvement is suspicious and their motives unclear to say the least even in recent years.
Who even works for them English,Scots and local Unionists?
Their whole presence is very strange in the North and it's rarely commented on by media or politicians, most likely they are deliberately kept out of the media. Do believe they truthfully are non political?
Must be difficult to sleep at night with all that stuff going on in your head!!
This stuff about not being able to join the force and live in your old neighbourhood. I wonder how much of this is specific to the troubles, versus the general issue of how working class areas are policed.
I grew up on a Corpo estate on Dublin's north side in the 70s/80s. Unemployment blackspot. I certainly never knew of any Guards who lived on the estate. Garda visits were rare and very much unwelcome. Both sets of grandparents lived in areas where the same would have held true.
Quote from: Brendan on February 25, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 25, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
About 6 police and 5 prison officers in my estate, only is about 60 houses too.
Least your estate will be safe enough and they only ever patrol their own houses from what I've seen. I live in a Nationalist area, I stress nationalist, not Republican in any way, only time Police are seen is on days of parades, how is Nationalist confidence in them ever supposed to grow when they make it so clear they're only here to keep us in line
I stress, it's the same thing.
When something happens that normal people would phone the police, what happens when those that don't trust the police need assistance?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2023, 08:54:46 PM
When something happens that normal people would phone the police, what happens when those that don't trust the police need assistance?
1-800-BOYOS
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2023, 08:54:46 PM
When something happens that normal people would phone the police, what happens when those that don't trust the police need assistance?
They ring them !
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 26, 2023, 10:00:06 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2023, 08:54:46 PM
When something happens that normal people would phone the police, what happens when those that don't trust the police need assistance?
They ring them !
Reading some of the posts here I doubt it, be like ringing MI5 apparently ;D
Quote from: full moon on February 25, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
PSNI take orders from MI5 and they're a different kettle of fish. How many nationalists/Catholics are in MI5? How many MI5 is there in the HQ in Palace Barracks? Does anyone actually believe MI5 stop at the border and don't operate in the South also?
There's hundreds of cases where MI5 involvement is suspicious and their motives unclear to say the least even in recent years.
Who even works for them English,Scots and local Unionists?
Their whole presence is very strange in the North and it's rarely commented on by media or politicians, most likely they are deliberately kept out of the media. Do believe they truthfully are non political?
I have never thought about these questions. Presumably the proportion of Brit catholics in the MI5 would reflect the population percentage.
The NI system stops at the border/the sea. Most criminality in the South is drug related and MI5 doesn't care about drugs.
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2023, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: full moon on February 25, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
PSNI take orders from MI5 and they're a different kettle of fish. How many nationalists/Catholics are in MI5? How many MI5 is there in the HQ in Palace Barracks? Does anyone actually believe MI5 stop at the border and don't operate in the South also?
There's hundreds of cases where MI5 involvement is suspicious and their motives unclear to say the least even in recent years.
Who even works for them English,Scots and local Unionists?
Their whole presence is very strange in the North and it's rarely commented on by media or politicians, most likely they are deliberately kept out of the media. Do believe they truthfully are non political?
I have never thought about these questions. Presumably the proportion of Brit catholics in the MI5 would reflect the population percentage.
The NI system stops at the border/the sea. Most criminality in the South is drug related and MI5 doesn't care about drugs.
Was one of the top men in the Gardai not a former MI5 man?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 26, 2023, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2023, 10:20:29 AM
Quote from: full moon on February 25, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
PSNI take orders from MI5 and they're a different kettle of fish. How many nationalists/Catholics are in MI5? How many MI5 is there in the HQ in Palace Barracks? Does anyone actually believe MI5 stop at the border and don't operate in the South also?
There's hundreds of cases where MI5 involvement is suspicious and their motives unclear to say the least even in recent years.
Who even works for them English,Scots and local Unionists?
Their whole presence is very strange in the North and it's rarely commented on by media or politicians, most likely they are deliberately kept out of the media. Do believe they truthfully are non political?
I have never thought about these questions. Presumably the proportion of Brit catholics in the MI5 would reflect the population percentage.
The NI system stops at the border/the sea. Most criminality in the South is drug related and MI5 doesn't care about drugs.
Was one of the top men in the Gardai not a former MI5 man?
Wouldn't be surprised they are looking in here for some titbits
https://twitter.com/republicmedia16/status/1629945388835766274?s=46&t=dBoZvJrPt73E0Crol4TSgQ
Don't know how true it is but Dissidents are claiming responsibility apparently
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 26, 2023, 09:20:10 PM
https://twitter.com/republicmedia16/status/1629945388835766274?s=46&t=dBoZvJrPt73E0Crol4TSgQ
Don't know how true it is but Dissidents are claiming responsibility apparently
Not a drug hit then?
Though probably set up by MI5
It's like something a youngster has written
Yeh it's being reported by mainstream media now.. Dissidents responsible, f**king degenerates
Quote from: SaffronSports on February 24, 2023, 05:46:30 PM
I once applied to join the cops actually. It was around the very early days of the psni and to be honest all I was seeing was pound signs.
Got through the first few bits then had a car accident the day before the next stage and pulled out. In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't join for a great many reasons. I would have been shit at the job, my head would go looking over my shoulder all the time and I would probably have to live somewhere else than I do now.
I do know quite a few Catholics who joined around that time but to be honest, most of them moved away to other towns and I haven't saw them in years.
This is the bit I feel is both depressing and also needs to be addressed by nationalism. The PSNI should be like the Gardai, living in communities. Unfortunately incidents such as this shooting put this back, which is exactly the point.
You would think the net could be closing already, cops have already identified where/when the getaway car was bought, CCTV footage of it heading to Belfast after being bought & then driven towards Omagh the day before the shooting
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 27, 2023, 03:12:00 PM
You would think the net could be closing already, cops have already identified where/when the getaway car was bought, CCTV footage of it heading to Belfast after being bought & then driven towards Omagh the day before the shooting
Where did this info come from is it in the news?
Quote from: WT4E on February 27, 2023, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 27, 2023, 03:12:00 PM
You would think the net could be closing already, cops have already identified where/when the getaway car was bought, CCTV footage of it heading to Belfast after being bought & then driven towards Omagh the day before the shooting
Where did this info come from is it in the news?
Yes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64783661
How long can the people arrested be kept for?
Quote from: toby47 on February 28, 2023, 09:53:26 AM
How long can the people arrested be kept for?
14 days?
can they be arrested again like so many hours after being released
Quote from: clarshack on February 28, 2023, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: toby47 on February 28, 2023, 09:53:26 AM
How long can the people arrested be kept for?
14 days?
Is that special terms under terrorism acts? Didn't think it was as long as that.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02cJgsNHUXzJGUbjCapbu12cdQMFMCbU1hCkLrjqMfteEKJNypqxvbG9wDewbXuJYdl&id=526712010807134
Probably not surprising but some of the men have been released unconditionally with at least one being held until 10pm Wednesday. Unlikely that they'd have been able to nab whoever did it that quickly and just lifted lads known to have dissident links.
according to the sunday world four protestants have been arrested
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/four-protestant-men-arrested-over-new-iras-attempted-murder-of-top-cop-john-caldwell/1105623123.html
so are the protestants that are in the new ira
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 06:40:40 PM
according to the sunday world four protestants have been arrested
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/four-protestant-men-arrested-over-new-iras-attempted-murder-of-top-cop-john-caldwell/1105623123.html
so are the protestants that are in the new ira
Not only just Protestant but a former Loyalist :o
Twilight Zone stuff.
Quote from: clarshack on March 01, 2023, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 06:40:40 PM
according to the sunday world four protestants have been arrested
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/four-protestant-men-arrested-over-new-iras-attempted-murder-of-top-cop-john-caldwell/1105623123.html
so are the protestants that are in the new ira
Not only just Protestant but a former Loyalist :o
Twilight Zone stuff.
Is it? History repeating itself ;)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 06:40:40 PM
according to the sunday world four protestants have been arrested
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/four-protestant-men-arrested-over-new-iras-attempted-murder-of-top-cop-john-caldwell/1105623123.html
so are the protestants that are in the new ira
There's a father and son duo arrested from the Omagh area. Both heavily linked with the drug scene and come from a unionist background. Regardless of who is guilty, I hope the f#*kers are arrested and the key is thrown away.
when i seen it said four protestants i thought it was a typo.
Jesus. Just shows that those clowns claiming to be dissident republicans are nothing but criminal scum.
I thought certain posters had ruled out an organised crime group ?
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/02/news/tyrone-based_organised_crime_gang_linked_to_new_ira_shooting_of_john_caldwell-3100531/
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/02/news/tyrone-based_organised_crime_gang_linked_to_new_ira_shooting_of_john_caldwell-3100531/
Milltown won't be happy!
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 01, 2023, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/02/news/tyrone-based_organised_crime_gang_linked_to_new_ira_shooting_of_john_caldwell-3100531/
Milltown won't be happy!
So it wasn't the new ira and that statement they put out was false? Not the drug gangs from Dublin either?
But sure trivialise the attempted murder of a man helping to coach kids while his son watched him being gunned down
Really weird and shows you the state of these organisations. While nothing can surprise you anymore, you'd have to assume the gunmen were 'new Ira' with the Protestants lifted good old fashioned criminals who've maybe assisted with the car weapons etc? Who knows. Throw the lot in jail and throw away the key.
I did read something the other day that when New IRA admits to a crime it contacts the Irish News, not tape a note to a lamppost
Sure could anyone not seletope a bit of paper to a wall the media still not questioning that going on like its 100 percent genuine.
The plot thickens... one of those arrested did time during the troubles for Uvf related activity. (Patricia Devlin on Twitter).
What the hell is going on here?
Story is growing legs. One of those arrested is/was in the UVF.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2023, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 01, 2023, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/02/news/tyrone-based_organised_crime_gang_linked_to_new_ira_shooting_of_john_caldwell-3100531/
Milltown won't be happy!
So it wasn't the new ira and that statement they put out was false? Not the drug gangs from Dublin either?
But sure trivialise the attempted murder of a man helping to coach kids while his son watched him being gunned down
You're very sensitive about this one MR. I don't think anyone is trivialising anything. More a case that you're determined to shut the door on this being a more complex case than loony republicans being loony republicans.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 01, 2023, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2023, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 01, 2023, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/02/news/tyrone-based_organised_crime_gang_linked_to_new_ira_shooting_of_john_caldwell-3100531/
Milltown won't be happy!
So it wasn't the new ira and that statement they put out was false? Not the drug gangs from Dublin either?
But sure trivialise the attempted murder of a man helping to coach kids while his son watched him being gunned down
You're very sensitive about this one MR. I don't think anyone is trivialising anything. More a case that you're determined to shut the door on this being a more complex case than loony republicans being loony republicans.
There's nothing more sensitive I suppose to how this was carried out, whether it's complex or not or who did it is totally irrelevant as it makes no difference whatsoever.
Trivialising it was mentioning that I won't be happy. I suppose if that floats your boat carry on.
Ones here had MI5, Dublin drug cartel and a hit taken out because he was taking bribes!
No doubt Nolan will have this on later.......
I'll not hold my breath
4 men arrested are protestants and with uvf links. So either these loyal fighters have turned Taig or they were shooting a cop for other reasons. I'm sure the mainstream media will be all over this tomorrow.
I just don't understand why a crime gang would shoot a high ranking cop, it's very rare
isnt their a mysterious group call the firm going about.
Wait are you telling me it was themmuns all along?!
Maybe more helpful to not label them orange or green- just low lifes
Quote from: Eire90 on March 01, 2023, 10:53:10 PM
isnt their a mysterious group call the firm going about.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/podcasts/the-beltel/the-firm-inside-lurgan-and-portadowns-cross-community-crime-gang/111063548.html
QuoteThe Irish News understands that some of those arrested in the last week have alleged connections to a well-organised crime group.
Jesus Christ what kind of halfwit wrote that article? A well-organised crime group? ;D ;D
Does this mean we will have WOCG's in the next Line of Duty?
heard on the radio ulster news they still saying its the new ira
The cross-community IRA.
I think it's been obvious for a while, and the PSNI confirmed it last year, that these organised crime groups are now "cross community" as it's basically drug gangs
If that crime gang were well organised the guy would be dead. Fortunately they aren't.
Elements within in both have been hand in hand for years where money is involved.
loylists with links to the new ira they are saying
Quote from: Eire90 on March 02, 2023, 06:03:00 PM
loylists with links to the new ira they are saying
Jesus Christ thats some reach.
Republican or loyalist it does not matter, a scum bag is a scum bag regardless. When it comes to the £££ loyalists and republicans do not be long setting aside their principles when it suits them, indeed this has been the case for several years.
Quote from: LC on March 02, 2023, 06:45:49 PM
Republican or loyalist it does not matter, a scum bag is a scum bag regardless. When it comes to the £££ loyalists and republicans do not be long setting aside their principles when it suits them, indeed this has been the case for several years.
See the councils/Stormont for the same thing with SF & DUP acting in unison to dish out funding to basically themselves and their "community groups"
its all a front michelle and jeffery probably friendly behind the curtains.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 02, 2023, 07:31:06 PM
its all a front michelle and jeffery probably friendly behind the curtains.
100%. I've seen our politicians around each other off camera multiple times and they are always completely different.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 02, 2023, 10:32:22 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 02, 2023, 07:31:06 PM
its all a front michelle and jeffery probably friendly behind the curtains.
100%. I've seen our politicians around each other off camera multiple times and they are always completely different.
'All the world's a stage'
All sows in the one trough with the majority of them not being able to get a job in the real world. Financially on a personal basis a United Ireland will not be good for the back pocket of all politicians on both sides as well as their hanger ons, In addition 'community worker' gigs will all run out of road. The politics of the north along within NI is a mini economy which too many people rely on therefore they will all continue to do what is necessary to keep the show on and hence rely on each other, no punch without judy. I know in the morning if a referendum came out whereby the option was to close Stormount and divert all associated expenditure instead to health, education etc I would vote in favour 100%.
Quote from: LC on March 02, 2023, 06:45:49 PM
Republican or loyalist it does not matter, a scum bag is a scum bag regardless. When it comes to the £££ loyalists and republicans do not be long setting aside their principles when it suits them, indeed this has been the case for several years.
RTE reporting the attempted murder was a "joint venture" between the new IRA and a drug dealing loyalist gang.
Let them not pretend there's any principle at play here!
Why are the lcc on the media all the time this past couple of years?
Imagine saoradh being regularly on tv/interviews and meeting SF and releasing press statements.
More needs to be need of this link and call it out. Nationalists should be making a big deal of this and asking for Jeffrey to stand on the steps of Stormont and tell the lcc to stop.
Quote from: marty34 on March 03, 2023, 08:33:14 AM
Why are the lcc on the media all the time this past couple of years?
Imagine saoradh being regularly on tv/interviews and meeting SF and releasing press statements.
More needs to be need of this link and call it out. Nationalists should be making a big deal of this and asking for Jeffrey to stand on the steps of Stormont and tell the lcc to stop.
That's insulting to Saoradh. They're not that bad.
Quote from: marty34 on March 03, 2023, 08:33:14 AM
Why are the lcc on the media all the time this past couple of years?
Imagine saoradh being regularly on tv/interviews and meeting SF and releasing press statements.
More needs to be need of this link and call it out. Nationalists should be making a big deal of this and asking for Jeffrey to stand on the steps of Stormont and tell the lcc to stop.
I don't understand why they are not being torn to shreds over this "relationship". We can't go into government with terrorists they say and then it basically looks like they are ran by terrorists. Gangsters would be a more appropriate term.
so did the new ira hire loyalists to do a hit is this what they are trying to say.
Is it not the other way round?
i dont know i think the whole thing stinks.
Don't know if it has been mentioned here but look at the reaction of the bastards when one of their own was shot compared to Noah Donohue. Another reason I will never ever have any respect or trust in them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:56:29 AM
Don't know if it has been mentioned here but look at the reaction of the bastards when one of their own was shot compared to Noah Donohue. Another reason I will never ever have any respect or trust in them.
Never respect police or just authority in general?
The mental gymnastics to bring young Noah's death into this is bizarre, even for your warped mind, you're probably thinking the Romanian police service are worse considering they've kept your human trafficking pimp of a mate in jail ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2023, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:56:29 AM
Don't know if it has been mentioned here but look at the reaction of the bastards when one of their own was shot compared to Noah Donohue. Another reason I will never ever have any respect or trust in them.
Never respect police or just authority in general?
The mental gymnastics to bring young Noah's death into this is bizarre, even for your warped mind, you're probably thinking the Romanian police service are worse considering they've kept your human trafficking pimp of a mate in jail ;)
2 high profile cases, one where the police have done 0 and one where they've arrested what, 10 people at this stage?
Still holding him without charge....
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2023, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:56:29 AM
Don't know if it has been mentioned here but look at the reaction of the bastards when one of their own was shot compared to Noah Donohue. Another reason I will never ever have any respect or trust in them.
Never respect police or just authority in general?
The mental gymnastics to bring young Noah's death into this is bizarre, even for your warped mind, you're probably thinking the Romanian police service are worse considering they've kept your human trafficking pimp of a mate in jail ;)
2 high profile cases, one where the police have done 0 and one where they've arrested what, 10 people at this stage?
Still holding him without charge....
So give me your take then on the Noah case Colombo?
And hopefully they lift 30 more of those scumbags
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2023, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: LC on March 02, 2023, 06:45:49 PM
Republican or loyalist it does not matter, a scum bag is a scum bag regardless. When it comes to the £££ loyalists and republicans do not be long setting aside their principles when it suits them, indeed this has been the case for several years.
RTE reporting the attempted murder was a "joint venture" between the new IRA and a drug dealing loyalist gang.
Let them not pretend there's any principle at play here!
Hands across the divide.
Quote from: dec on March 03, 2023, 05:45:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2023, 08:09:33 AM
Quote from: LC on March 02, 2023, 06:45:49 PM
Republican or loyalist it does not matter, a scum bag is a scum bag regardless. When it comes to the £££ loyalists and republicans do not be long setting aside their principles when it suits them, indeed this has been the case for several years.
RTE reporting the attempted murder was a "joint venture" between the new IRA and a drug dealing loyalist gang.
Let them not pretend there's any principle at play here!
Hands across the divide.
As Sammy Duddy said - Loyal to the half crown.
There are people on this thread talking about Stormount. We should be better than that.
Quote from: Sportacus on March 03, 2023, 08:48:07 PM
There are people on this thread talking about Stormount. We should be better than that.
And others talking about Stormont
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 07, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
Families would be ... wife and kids, Brothers/sisters father/mother then cousins, possibly grandparents? f**king joke, I'd love to sit and hear them at some meeting coming up with that one ffs!!
Quote from: Eire90 on March 07, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
B***ards. They've just threatened my cousin and her family. I wonder if I'm a legitimate target too now that I'm related. Utter scumbags.
In about 1992 when I was at the Tech in Lurgan we had a teacher talking about what life would be like if the Troubles ever ended, which seemed unimaginable at the time. She said "...and even if we ever do get peace, are all the terrorists suddenly going to become law-abiding citizens?"
It was a good question then and it's a good question now.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 07, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
Families would be ... wife and kids, Brothers/sisters father/mother then cousins, possibly grandparents? f**king joke, I'd love to sit and hear them at some meeting coming up with that one ffs!!
call in to palace barracks next time you're in Holywood!
Quote from: general_lee on March 08, 2023, 09:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 07, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
Families would be ... wife and kids, Brothers/sisters father/mother then cousins, possibly grandparents? f**king joke, I'd love to sit and hear them at some meeting coming up with that one ffs!!
call in to palace barracks next time you're in Holywood!
I know this is a twisted place but enlighten me on the tactics of MI5 putting out a statement like that?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: general_lee on March 08, 2023, 09:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 07, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
Families would be ... wife and kids, Brothers/sisters father/mother then cousins, possibly grandparents? f**king joke, I'd love to sit and hear them at some meeting coming up with that one ffs!!
call in to palace barracks next time you're in Holywood!
I know this is a twisted place but enlighten me on the tactics of MI5 putting out a statement like that?
Devils advocate here- but threat of terrorism = more funding and I think further investigative powers for police? Not 100%
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 08, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 08, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: general_lee on March 08, 2023, 09:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 07, 2023, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 07, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64872939
A dissident republican group has warned that relatives of Northern Ireland police officers are considered targets.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) informed its staff of the new threat made by Arm na Poblachta (ANP) in a statement to The Irish News.
It said it was taken seriously and in an internal message advised staff to take "reasonable" security steps.
ANP is a small group that was behind an attempted bomb attack outside a police station in Londonderry last November.
The group emerged in 2017 but since then it has been less active than other dissident republican groups the New IRA and the Continuity IRA.
On Sunday ANP claimed to have left a device under an officer's near the city.
It sparked a security alert in the Lettershandoney area but nothing was found.
Families would be ... wife and kids, Brothers/sisters father/mother then cousins, possibly grandparents? f**king joke, I'd love to sit and hear them at some meeting coming up with that one ffs!!
call in to palace barracks next time you're in Holywood!
I know this is a twisted place but enlighten me on the tactics of MI5 putting out a statement like that?
Devils advocate here- but threat of terrorism = more funding and I think further investigative powers for police? Not 100%
So are they closing down MI5? There is a threat due to the shooting though, what extra investigative measures have they brought in that they don't have?
Anyways was heading down the road from where I live last Friday, be a pretty respectable area (bar me living in it of course) but that aside was running late for a doctors appointment, this was after doing a road awareness course that morning, so when I seen the police I thought, f**k!!!
But they pulled me in and and said due to the increased terrorist threat and the policeman shot recently they were doing security checks! Looking for guns lol!! I was just glad they were not pulling me over for speeding, getting a ticket on the day you'd just completed the awareness course wouldn't be great.
Said they were going to do full search of the car and search me also! In my car it has hurling stick balls and referee outfits! needless to say no guns and I was on my way fairly quickly..
Anyone else noticing these police checks recently? Is this part of their extra funding and overtime for the peelers? ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:56:29 AM
Don't know if it has been mentioned here but look at the reaction of the bastards when one of their own was shot compared to Noah Donohue. Another reason I will never ever have any respect or trust in them.
You might want to take the blinkers off and look at all the evidence in the Donohue case. Police have no motive whatsoever to cover up any crime. It is a tragedy but part from the toe rag that stole his laptop there is no evidence that I have seen of foul play. There is no place in todays society here to attempt to murder a man coaching kids.
I have been wondering about this - the mother is supposed to have met someone there and has been a lot quieter since. I am wondering is there not the foul play people think.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:24:17 AM
I have been wondering about this - the mother is supposed to have met someone there and has been a lot quieter since. I am wondering is there not the foul play people think.
Absolutely no evidence of it, no cctv, no witnesses and no forensics. In my view a tragic accident and who knows what was going through the lads head God Rest Him.
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 10, 2023, 02:10:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:24:17 AM
I have been wondering about this - the mother is supposed to have met someone there and has been a lot quieter since. I am wondering is there not the foul play people think.
Absolutely no evidence of it, no cctv, no witnesses and no forensics. In my view a tragic accident and who knows what was going through the lads head God Rest Him.
Never saw the police as having anything to gain from covering up Noahs death myself.
A few of them lads charged today would not exactly be Republicans.
The New IRA must have a wide base.
The two brothers were done for the atm thefts previously. Lovely people I am sure :o
There's one cause going on here - their pockets.
I'd say the cops knew who were involved in this inside 24 hours.
You'd wonder how these lads, from differing sides, meet up initially.
"Hey Willie it's Sean here, can ya do me a favour for 5 grand"
"No probs Sean, I'll sort that out"
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2023, 05:24:00 PM
"Hey Willie it's Sean here, can ya do me a favour for 5 grand"
"No probs Sean, I'll sort that out"
How does Willie know Sean to start with is whats being asked...
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2023, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2023, 05:24:00 PM
"Hey Willie it's Sean here, can ya do me a favour for 5 grand"
"No probs Sean, I'll sort that out"
How does Willie know Sean to start with is whats being asked...
This isn't new stuff, Lenny Murphy was set up by his own and a loyalist gun used while the UDA commander sat in republican pub..
When it suits these guys are good at sorting themselves out, not difficult to know or get them to do work for themselves
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2023, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2023, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2023, 05:24:00 PM
"Hey Willie it's Sean here, can ya do me a favour for 5 grand"
"No probs Sean, I'll sort that out"
How does Willie know Sean to start with is whats being asked...
This isn't new stuff, Lenny Murphy was set up by his own and a loyalist gun used while the UDA commander sat in republican pub..
When it suits these guys are good at sorting themselves out, not difficult to know or get them to do work for themselves
All about the money...
Quote from: Piskin on May 29, 2023, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2023, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 29, 2023, 05:25:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2023, 05:24:00 PM
"Hey Willie it's Sean here, can ya do me a favour for 5 grand"
"No probs Sean, I'll sort that out"
How does Willie know Sean to start with is whats being asked...
This isn't new stuff, Lenny Murphy was set up by his own and a loyalist gun used while the UDA commander sat in republican pub..
When it suits these guys are good at sorting themselves out, not difficult to know or get them to do work for themselves
All about the money...
Principals do not be long being set aside when it comes to the £££, one side is as bad as the other
I really enjoyed the part of the report where Carron didn't recognise the British Court today - not the sharpest tool in the box i'd say. #Irony
Quote from: WT4E on May 29, 2023, 10:01:57 PM
I really enjoyed the part of the report where Carron didn't recognise the British Court today - not the sharpest tool in the box i'd say. #Irony
What about P ONeill watching on the court webcam!
Did he use a recognised password!
I've never had any dealings with the police before. I was in a Protestant graveyard a couple of years ago and noticed that a gravestone had a PSNI logo embedded on it. Myself and my parents were looking for the grave of United Irishman Roddy McCorley but it turned out he was buried in an unmarked grave maybe because they didn't want Protestants doing something to the grave.
https://twitter.com/madden_finucane/status/1668713234998734848?s=46&t=iUnVE0djYGxXIMQRHZ-kzw
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 30, 2023, 11:03:40 PM
I've never had any dealings with the police before. I was in a Protestant graveyard a couple of years ago and noticed that a gravestone had a PSNI logo embedded on it. Myself and my parents were looking for the grave of United Irishman Roddy McCorley but it turned out he was buried in an unmarked grave maybe because they didn't want Protestants doing something to the grave.
Come Tender Hearted Christians song says otherwise!
So it now appears that the dissidents do have the data from this leak last week. I would imagine that the PSNI will be hit with a avalanche of sick leave, and resignations. I doubt any Catholic would consider joining now. I don't know what this will mean for law and order in the north.
Quote from: trailer on August 14, 2023, 12:52:59 PM
So it now appears that the dissidents do have the data from this leak last week. I would imagine that the PSNI will be hit with a avalanche of sick leave, and resignations. I doubt any Catholic would consider joining now. I don't know what this will mean for law and order in the north.
Years of trying desperately to coax catholics in, and then even trying to employ more west of the bann and get more catholics in by proxy. All undone by one mistake. Who from Tyrone/Derry/Armagh is going to want the job now, considering they're paid buttons? It's a complete disaster.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2023, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 14, 2023, 12:52:59 PM
So it now appears that the dissidents do have the data from this leak last week. I would imagine that the PSNI will be hit with a avalanche of sick leave, and resignations. I doubt any Catholic would consider joining now. I don't know what this will mean for law and order in the north.
Years of trying desperately to coax catholics in, and then even trying to employ more west of the bann and get more catholics in by proxy. All undone by one mistake. Who from Tyrone/Derry/Armagh is going to want the job now, considering they're paid buttons? It's a complete disaster.
Not like this info is anything that the dissidents didnt already have or could have got access too anyway. But it is just the volume and the extremely public nature of it now.
I can see some leaving, a lot going on the sick and the whole force looking for some sort of compensation. Going to be a nightmare to sort out.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2023, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 14, 2023, 12:52:59 PM
So it now appears that the dissidents do have the data from this leak last week. I would imagine that the PSNI will be hit with a avalanche of sick leave, and resignations. I doubt any Catholic would consider joining now. I don't know what this will mean for law and order in the north.
Years of trying desperately to coax catholics in, and then even trying to employ more west of the bann and get more catholics in by proxy. All undone by one mistake. Who from Tyrone/Derry/Armagh is going to want the job now, considering they're paid buttons? It's a complete disaster.
Nobody with an ounce of cop-on (LOL!) would consider signing up.
Was chatting to someone in work today. One of these 'My friends, sisters, husband's brother is in the police..........' stories. She said they are going to be heavily compensated. I doubt every police officer in the north will be heavily compensated, will they?
Quote from: toby47 on August 14, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Was chatting to someone in work today. One of these 'My friends, sisters, husband's brother is in the police..........' stories. She said they are going to be heavily compensated. I doubt every police officer in the north will be heavily compensated, will they?
Not just police officers in this, there are loads of civilian staff who will be looking compensated as well.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 14, 2023, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 14, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Was chatting to someone in work today. One of these 'My friends, sisters, husband's brother is in the police..........' stories. She said they are going to be heavily compensated. I doubt every police officer in the north will be heavily compensated, will they?
Not just police officers in this, there are loads of civilian staff who will be looking compensated as well.
Compensation could bankrupt them.
Quote from: trailer on August 14, 2023, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 14, 2023, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 14, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Was chatting to someone in work today. One of these 'My friends, sisters, husband's brother is in the police..........' stories. She said they are going to be heavily compensated. I doubt every police officer in the north will be heavily compensated, will they?
Not just police officers in this, there are loads of civilian staff who will be looking compensated as well.
Compensation could bankrupt them.
Yep - they are going to need a huge bailout to keep going.
Means there will be less 'handouts' for other necessities like NHS, funding etc I would imagine
Quote from: NAG1 on August 14, 2023, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 14, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Was chatting to someone in work today. One of these 'My friends, sisters, husband's brother is in the police..........' stories. She said they are going to be heavily compensated. I doubt every police officer in the north will be heavily compensated, will they?
Not just police officers in this, there are loads of civilian staff who will be looking compensated as well.
What, at the expense of the tax payer?
Quote from: clarshack on August 14, 2023, 04:35:20 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 14, 2023, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: toby47 on August 14, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
Was chatting to someone in work today. One of these 'My friends, sisters, husband's brother is in the police..........' stories. She said they are going to be heavily compensated. I doubt every police officer in the north will be heavily compensated, will they?
Not just police officers in this, there are loads of civilian staff who will be looking compensated as well.
What, at the expense of the tax payer?
I'd say the majority of them will put in for the claim.
Then a good few will more to other jobs.
Watch 99.9% roll out the mental health card for this c**k-up
Let's be honest, there'll be a pile looking compensation that this leak wouldn't have affected anyway
Quote from: NAG1 on August 14, 2023, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2023, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 14, 2023, 12:52:59 PM
So it now appears that the dissidents do have the data from this leak last week. I would imagine that the PSNI will be hit with a avalanche of sick leave, and resignations. I doubt any Catholic would consider joining now. I don't know what this will mean for law and order in the north.
Years of trying desperately to coax catholics in, and then even trying to employ more west of the bann and get more catholics in by proxy. All undone by one mistake. Who from Tyrone/Derry/Armagh is going to want the job now, considering they're paid buttons? It's a complete disaster.
Not like this info is anything that the dissidents didnt already have or could have got access too anyway. But it is just the volume and the extremely public nature of it now.
I can see some leaving, a lot going on the sick and the whole force looking for some sort of compensation. Going to be a nightmare to sort out.
Maybe they'll have to bring back the British army ?
Something doesn't smell right about this whole thing though. As you say , dissidents probably have information as it is. And I mean , what have dissidents really done in the last decade? That omagh shooting involved republicans AND loyalists, did it not?
To be fair, if you entered the PSNI either as an office worker or frontline cop on the back of SF backing the cops, you'd have every right to be wary of dissidents blowing you up and your families lives would have mental stress going about their everyday
Sam McBride on rte radio 1 this morning talking about how many officers have come to him regarding sectarianism within the psni, and how anti catholic chat is commonplace. many of those cops were looking out anyway this has accelerated it. Let's be real, the leak isn't going to affect protestant cops.
Another data breach, a cop drove off with a notebook and laptop on the roof of the car. We criticise the police and get the usual "who would you go to if you were the victim of a crime", always responded I just wouldn't bother because they are completely inept and more and more stories come out to just reinforce that
Quote from: Brendan on August 18, 2023, 01:11:43 PM
Another data breach, a cop drove off with a notebook and laptop on the roof of the car. We criticise the police and get the usual "who would you go to if you were the victim of a crime", always responded I just wouldn't bother because they are completely inept and more and more stories come out to just reinforce that
Data breaches in England the other day, so I wouldn't solely put the PSNI down as useless, there must be plenty of these breaches going on, but If I'm a victim of crime I aint going to the local kneecappers/drug dealers to solve a crime!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2023, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: Brendan on August 18, 2023, 01:11:43 PM
Another data breach, a cop drove off with a notebook and laptop on the roof of the car. We criticise the police and get the usual "who would you go to if you were the victim of a crime", always responded I just wouldn't bother because they are completely inept and more and more stories come out to just reinforce that
Data breaches in England the other day, so I wouldn't solely put the PSNI down as useless, there must be plenty of these breaches going on, but If I'm a victim of crime I aint going to the local kneecappers/drug dealers to solve a crime!
Sweet jesus, if I was to take my work laptop home and whilst getting into the car left it on the roof I'd be laughed out of the place as a stupid cúnt
Am I alone as a moderate nationalist, being concerned at the current direction in policing. I have good friends who are catholic PSNI officers. They allude to a culture within the force that is still in some part sectarian and anti-catholic. I have always felt that it would take time and an effort on all sides to move this on. However current events and the fact that only 26% of officers are NI born catholics is dismaying. In my view the fault here in part lies within our own community, we still are lukewarm in our acceptance of police and they have not become embedded in the community in the way that the Gardai are. The church, GAA and both main nationalist parties need to be doing more to address this. but the PSNI need to look at themselves as well. On joining the police a catholic officer is invariably advised to leave his community and live in a safe (unionist usually) area. They give up all that makes us Irish, the parish, family and the GAA. That is a barrier to recruiting Catholics. Police stations are still festooned with poppies and commemorations to the RUC. Whilst these need to have a space in fairness, it should not be in your face. The Federation in its badge and utterances is unionist in inclination, in spite of Liam Kelly, who like the turncoat has too much to prove. The nationalist community needs to encourage our young people to join, we need to make an effort to have them live in the community and be less qualified in our support. Mistakes were made at the Sean Graham's commemoration but there was a crowd there at a time when I had to wave a the hearse of family members as it passed my street because we couldn't attend the funeral and from what I saw they were not socially distant. Given that the disciplinary action was rescinded, you would wonder why the court case was taken.
I want the PSNI to succeed, there are many fine officers from both tradition doing a good job, the majority in fact. But policing is still too politicised and we are as guilty as the unionists. Time for change on all sides.
This hits the nail on the head. As nationalists we should striving to promote equality within the police service, not 'resisting' it. What is to be gained by preserving a police force institutionally biased against the nationalist community?
(this is not an endorsement of the PSNI as it is today, but an aspiration for what it should be in future)
Dissidents are by far the biggest issue I would say. The Peadar Totten and Ronan Kerr incidents would influence this a lot I think. A catholic in the psni seems to be their kind of target.
I know blue lights was fiction but the story about the girl in the psni would probably be accurate enough I would imagine where she moved out and stopped playing camogie.
Simon Byrne has resigned.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 04, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
Simon Byrne has resigned.
Yep, and can't be replaced until the DUP bring the assembly back.
I wonder what is happening inside the PSNI! Are the RUC old guard pushing back on changes going by come of those stepping forward saying there's issues internally with management.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 04, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
Simon Byrne has resigned.
Good and not good, cause which other incompetent shithead will replace him? But he was in over his head. No understanding of policing in NI.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 01, 2023, 12:13:55 PM
Am I alone as a moderate nationalist, being concerned at the current direction in policing. I have good friends who are catholic PSNI officers. They allude to a culture within the force that is still in some part sectarian and anti-catholic. I have always felt that it would take time and an effort on all sides to move this on. However current events and the fact that only 26% of officers are NI born catholics is dismaying. In my view the fault here in part lies within our own community, we still are lukewarm in our acceptance of police and they have not become embedded in the community in the way that the Gardai are. The church, GAA and both main nationalist parties need to be doing more to address this. but the PSNI need to look at themselves as well. On joining the police a catholic officer is invariably advised to leave his community and live in a safe (unionist usually) area. They give up all that makes us Irish, the parish, family and the GAA. That is a barrier to recruiting Catholics. Police stations are still festooned with poppies and commemorations to the RUC. Whilst these need to have a space in fairness, it should not be in your face. The Federation in its badge and utterances is unionist in inclination, in spite of Liam Kelly, who like the turncoat has too much to prove. The nationalist community needs to encourage our young people to join, we need to make an effort to have them live in the community and be less qualified in our support. Mistakes were made at the Sean Graham's commemoration but there was a crowd there at a time when I had to wave a the hearse of family members as it passed my street because we couldn't attend the funeral and from what I saw they were not socially distant. Given that the disciplinary action was rescinded, you would wonder why the court case was taken.
I want the PSNI to succeed, there are many fine officers from both tradition doing a good job, the majority in fact. But policing is still too politicised and we are as guilty as the unionists. Time for change on all sides.
the issue though is that all nationalists aspire towards a 32 county entity so de facto its actually hard to sell joining the psni because its part of the maintenace of the status quo . ( and the money is crap)
wont really effect anyones lives.
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 04, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
Simon Byrne has resigned.
The driver of which is sort of thing that wouldn't happen anywhere else in Western Europe.
"the cries of the dead are always in our ears"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWUsSawPeVg
There is a reason FDI is so low
Quote from: Eire90 on September 04, 2023, 03:33:02 PM
wont really effect anyones lives.
I'm not so sure.
Change of these lads (and lassies) in leadership roles within the PSNI has to change and appointing from within will set back any reform that needs to happen.
The mentality within the PSNI where they're happy to walk alongside EB UVF in Newtownards and beyond speaks volumes to me.
Quote from: naka on September 04, 2023, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 01, 2023, 12:13:55 PM
Am I alone as a moderate nationalist, being concerned at the current direction in policing. I have good friends who are catholic PSNI officers. They allude to a culture within the force that is still in some part sectarian and anti-catholic. I have always felt that it would take time and an effort on all sides to move this on. However current events and the fact that only 26% of officers are NI born catholics is dismaying. In my view the fault here in part lies within our own community, we still are lukewarm in our acceptance of police and they have not become embedded in the community in the way that the Gardai are. The church, GAA and both main nationalist parties need to be doing more to address this. but the PSNI need to look at themselves as well. On joining the police a catholic officer is invariably advised to leave his community and live in a safe (unionist usually) area. They give up all that makes us Irish, the parish, family and the GAA. That is a barrier to recruiting Catholics. Police stations are still festooned with poppies and commemorations to the RUC. Whilst these need to have a space in fairness, it should not be in your face. The Federation in its badge and utterances is unionist in inclination, in spite of Liam Kelly, who like the turncoat has too much to prove. The nationalist community needs to encourage our young people to join, we need to make an effort to have them live in the community and be less qualified in our support. Mistakes were made at the Sean Graham's commemoration but there was a crowd there at a time when I had to wave a the hearse of family members as it passed my street because we couldn't attend the funeral and from what I saw they were not socially distant. Given that the disciplinary action was rescinded, you would wonder why the court case was taken.
I want the PSNI to succeed, there are many fine officers from both tradition doing a good job, the majority in fact. But policing is still too politicised and we are as guilty as the unionists. Time for change on all sides.
the issue though is that all nationalists aspire towards a 32 county entity so de facto its actually hard to sell joining the psni because its part of the maintenace of the status quo . ( and the money is crap)
But then why are so many nationalists in the fire service, paramedics etc also NI organised. The PSNI is a service and as such is not like the RUC an extension of the state.
The Chair of the NI Black Police Officers basically saying that cultural change is required from within the PSNI and says that the Catholic Officers Guild are in agreement.
The biggest obstacle in doing the job is not the Shinners or the DUP, it's the Police Federation, headed up by younger types who still think they're in the old RUC and that's the way NI should be policed...even though the chair is called Liam Kelly!.
What happens now...seeing as London seems to have zero interest any more?
That's the big question :(
The DUP are probably hoping it's the leverage they were waiting for but I doubt it.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 05:04:48 PM
What happens now...seeing as London seems to have zero interest any more?
Drew Harris gets sacked as a reprisal using a recognised code word?
Was listening to this on the radio the last few days.
Journalists commentators and politicians saying he should go and in untenable position blah blah blah, and when he went the same fecking people were going on he went too soon and should have sorted out this and that it!!
This place with regards to governance is a shit show. Think I'll give my head a break from the news for a while
There was an article in the IN today about how NI one of dearest places in UK for childcare, average cost for 2 kids in full time childcare in NI is north of £2k a month. A very real problem but unsurprisingly not a single comment / contribution from a politician as ultimately it is neither a red white and blue or a green white and gold issue. Politicians climbing over the top of other to get their tuppence in about the Chief Constable today and in recent days. I imagine for the real people in this country struggling with cost of living issues such as childcare they could not give two f@*ks who the CC is. Another example of how the priorities of politicians are a million miles away from the what real people are experiencing every day.
Ye still vote for them though :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 08:29:04 PM
Ye still vote for them though :-\
No government for a few years now, keep up
Ye're still paying them though🤪🥳
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 04, 2023, 04:35:09 PM
The Chair of the NI Black Police Officers basically saying that cultural change is required from within the PSNI and says that the Catholic Officers Guild are in agreement.
Fun fact.
GPA = Gaelic Players Association
and
GPA = Gay Police Association
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 09:07:10 PM
Ye're still paying them though🤪🥳
Not really, they getting reduced wages and it's the whole of uk ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2023, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 08:29:04 PM
Ye still vote for them though :-\
No government for a few years now, keep up
https://elections.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ni-local-election-2023
Quote from: LC on September 04, 2023, 08:20:48 PM
There was an article in the IN today about how NI one of dearest places in UK for childcare, average cost for 2 kids in full time childcare in NI is north of £2k a month. A very real problem but unsurprisingly not a single comment / contribution from a politician as ultimately it is neither a red white and blue or a green white and gold issue. Politicians climbing over the top of other to get their tuppence in about the Chief Constable today and in recent days. I imagine for the real people in this country struggling with cost of living issues such as childcare they could not give two f@*ks who the CC is. Another example of how the priorities of politicians are a million miles away from the what real people are experiencing every day.
That's exactly it. As you say, climbing over each other to get their spake in about stuff like that , and nowhere to be seen to do things that matter to ordinary people.
Nothing will ever change . Nothing gets done , except for getting one over on the other on petty issues.
This rail review published recently about the proposed railways for the the north . Ha! What a joke. Not one mile of track will be laid. Nor any current track reopened. A bunch of clowns
Quote from: seafoid on September 04, 2023, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2023, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 08:29:04 PM
Ye still vote for them though :-\
No government for a few years now, keep up
https://elections.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ni-local-election-2023
Must be something in the Connaught air, loads of elections no government.
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
You are the balloon with the daft statement of ya still vote for them? So who is it Im voting? Who are you voting?
How many parties of worth in the south? The biggest voted party can't get into government there. I'd say you'd be best to sort out your own backyard before dipping your toes in politics up north of the country
Defending the DUP is partitionist.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
It's hard to change the habits of a lifetime as you lads well know, still voting in FF after they left the place balls deep in debt to be run by the Troika, bloodied their nose a bit but still in government now.
Old civil war family politics is a hard tradition to break.
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 04, 2023, 04:38:53 PM
The biggest obstacle in doing the job is not the Shinners or the DUP, it's the Police Federation, headed up by younger types who still think they're in the old RUC and that's the way NI should be policed...even though the chair is called Liam Kelly!.
He is the first Catholic Chair of the federation.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
To be fair only one party is holding out, few on here vote for them so your point is not relevant.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
Said without a hint of irony. 😂
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 04, 2023, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
You are the balloon with the daft statement of ya still vote for them? So who is it Im voting? Who are you voting?
How many parties of worth in the south? The biggest voted party can't get into government there. I'd say you'd be best to sort out your own backyard before dipping your toes in politics up north of the country
There is a lot of great work being done by the Free State Government on climate change infrastructure, for example. The Government has a lot of talent.
NI needs Stormont to work for the people so the North is ready for the challenges of the future. The current situation is dreadful.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 05, 2023, 07:51:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
It's hard to change the habits of a lifetime as you lads well know, still voting in FF after they left the place balls deep in debt to be run by the Troika, bloodied their nose a bit but still in government now.
Old civil war family politics is a hard tradition to break.
Ireland is one of the most prosperous countries anywhere in the world. Is it perfect? No. But I challenge you name a country where people live in absolute utopia.
I find it amazing that the population is about to embark on what will be a huge protest vote at the next election. Good luck to you. Because you will need it.
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 05, 2023, 07:51:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
It's hard to change the habits of a lifetime as you lads well know, still voting in FF after they left the place balls deep in debt to be run by the Troika, bloodied their nose a bit but still in government now.
Old civil war family politics is a hard tradition to break.
Ireland is one of the most prosperous countries anywhere in the world. Is it perfect? No. But I challenge you name a country where people live in absolute utopia.
I find it amazing that the population is about to embark on what will be a huge protest vote at the next election. Good luck to you. Because you will need it.
Prosperous for who?
The Civil war was the South's equivalent of the Troubles even though it was much shorter. The rate of killing per day was higher because it was a war.
And the trauma effects lasted for years, most trauma was not treated, politics became polarised (Labour 1923-on never got going) and society tried to move on but couldn't. The civil war's impact lasted at least 2 generations. That's what happens when you apply unlimited violence to a political problem.
And the North is in the middle of this kind of process.
https://www.rte.ie/radio/doconone/1402773-a-dark-night-in-foxford
Quote from: trailer on September 05, 2023, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 05, 2023, 07:51:29 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
So ye are actually still voting for them, and if there was another Election next week ye'll go out and vote fir the same crews again.
But in Milltownland it's alright once they don't form a Government .
It's hard to change the habits of a lifetime as you lads well know, still voting in FF after they left the place balls deep in debt to be run by the Troika, bloodied their nose a bit but still in government now.
Old civil war family politics is a hard tradition to break.
Ireland is one of the most prosperous countries anywhere in the world. Is it perfect? No. But I challenge you name a country where people live in absolute utopia.
I find it amazing that the population is about to embark on what will be a huge protest vote at the next election. Good luck to you. Because you will need it.
They're not getting above 33-35% in opinion polls and may well end up in opposition again unless they and FF combine ....in the National interest of course
FF and FG have gone from a combined 75/80% of 1st Pref votes in the past down to about half that .
Plus policy wise they have been moving steadily to the centre.
Nolan has found away to make Byrne's departure all SF's fault.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 05, 2023, 10:23:18 AM
Nolan has found away to make Byrne's departure all SF's fault.
That show is so far gone that it has backfired on the official 'NI' establishment. The more Nolan hammers SF the more it will drive support for them because most people just see it for what it is, a punch and judy show with manufactured outrage, fringe hardline contributors and staged callers. It's a bit like Jamie Bryson, its now become one of SFs greatest vote winners.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2023, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 05, 2023, 10:23:18 AM
Nolan has found away to make Byrne's departure all SF's fault.
That show is so far gone that it has backfired on the official 'NI' establishment. The more Nolan hammers SF the more it will drive support for them because most people just see it for what it is, a punch and judy show with manufactured outrage, fringe hardline contributors and staged callers. It's a bit like Jamie Bryson, its now become one of SFs greatest vote winners.
I stopped listening to Nolan a long time ago, but I think you are right on this one.
The more hardline, anti-SF, anti-Nationalist tripe they spout, the more determined nationalists will be to keep on voting. It feels like a death cry from unionism from what I hear.
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 05, 2023, 11:11:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2023, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 05, 2023, 10:23:18 AM
Nolan has found away to make Byrne's departure all SF's fault.
That show is so far gone that it has backfired on the official 'NI' establishment. The more Nolan hammers SF the more it will drive support for them because most people just see it for what it is, a punch and judy show with manufactured outrage, fringe hardline contributors and staged callers. It's a bit like Jamie Bryson, its now become one of SFs greatest vote winners.
I generally don't listen to it, it happened to be on for a time this morning in the office. It was interesting that when he tried to get both Mike Nesbitt and Nuala Mcallister to point the finger at SF both refused to confirm that Byrne was saying that SF made a threat.
The debate on the PSNI's future direction may only be starting and perhaps 15 years too late. But it needs to examine the culture that makes it uncomfortable for most serving Catholic Officers and how that needs to change to reflect the diversity of NI society. But as I have said previously our community needs to be more whole hearted in it's support for Catholic's who join the police and SF need to lead that.
I stopped listening to Nolan a long time ago, but I think you are right on this one.
The more hardline, anti-SF, anti-Nationalist tripe they spout, the more determined nationalists will be to keep on voting. It feels like a death cry from unionism from what I hear.
You have to laugh at people like Trevor Clarke, do literally nothing for months and months, and then out on the tv making big statements. A complete amateur chancer acting the big man overseeing people in professional life. And no better on any side. Complete bunch of bluffers.
Quote from: Sportacus on September 05, 2023, 12:55:17 PM
You have to laugh at people like Trevor Clarke, do literally nothing for months and months, and then out on the tv making big statements. A complete amateur chancer acting the big man overseeing people in professional life. And no better on any side. Complete bunch of bluffers.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/06/15/news/dup_councillor_suspended_over_attendance_at_meeting_addressed_by_mla_trevor_clarke-3354277/
Common theme with these lads ::)
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on September 05, 2023, 12:55:17 PM
You have to laugh at people like Trevor Clarke, do literally nothing for months and months, and then out on the tv making big statements. A complete amateur chancer acting the big man overseeing people in professional life. And no better on any side. Complete bunch of bluffers.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/06/15/news/dup_councillor_suspended_over_attendance_at_meeting_addressed_by_mla_trevor_clarke-3354277/
Common theme with these lads ::)
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