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GAA Discussion / Re: Dubs v Westmeath 25 June
« on: Today at 09:24:51 AM »
Apologies, I fact checked. It appears it is 'only' since 2005. So 12 years, not 20. but when you factor in an average of 1.4 million say, then it's approx 16.8 million they've received. I've seen the range from 1.35 mill to 1.69 mill. I mistakenly thought it was Peter Quinn who decided Dublin needed competitive advantages to fight off Rugby and Soccer. Apparently it was later than that.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Dubs v Westmeath 25 June
« on: Today at 09:18:36 AM »
The senior team is just the tip of the iceberg. I know full well that other counties are spending massive amounts of money to even stay in the arms race that is Senior IC team preparations.

But it's the 1m+ euro every year for nigh on 20 years that is the real game changer. This money is being pumped into coaching and development and is being pumped in BY the GAA, not raised and spent by Dublin. When you have 20 years of investment into coaching like that, it's a bit rich to blame other counties for not being able to keep pace.

As I've said before, if the coaching money makes very little difference, then give it back and distribute it to the other counties. The next highest allocation is about 5% of that figure annually.

I've said this a million times, Dublin cannot be blamed for taking advantage of this funding. They have done a great job. But when the GAA hands a competitive advantage to a county which already has a lot of inherent advantages (which I don't mind and is part of the magic of playing Dublin) then it is an unsustainable situation.

Take Dublin's level of funding down to that of all the other teams, and then let the crops bloom in 5-10 years time and see where we are. Or alternatively increase all other teams to the same Per player funding, but I don't think the GAA has that sort of money.

Kerry are raising money like demons just to have a semblance of what Dublin has, and they are hoping that their own inherent advantages (no distractions, complete focus on Kerry football) take them past the Dubs. Mayo similarly.

Doing what Donegal did with their fundraising allows you to have a short burst of competitiveness at the top table because they invest in preparation of that senior team, but the next generation are not being coached like they are in Dublin, so you're back to square one again.

Again, it's not Dublins fault. They have used it brilliantly. Other counties might squander it. But they have cultivated a process to produce excellently coached players, on the back of GAA funding denied to other counties, and that is in my view very wrong.

Do you just make this stuff up off the top of your head?

when was the development 'plan' launched? Apologies If it's only 10 years or so. The annual figure in the reports I saw was 1.4 million so I did underestimate that. Apologies.

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My thoughts too. Cavan away without MQ. Could be a short summer.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Dubs v Westmeath 25 June
« on: Today at 09:03:13 AM »
The senior team is just the tip of the iceberg. I know full well that other counties are spending massive amounts of money to even stay in the arms race that is Senior IC team preparations.

But it's the 1m+ euro every year for nigh on 20 years that is the real game changer. This money is being pumped into coaching and development and is being pumped in BY the GAA, not raised and spent by Dublin. When you have 20 years of investment into coaching like that, it's a bit rich to blame other counties for not being able to keep pace.

As I've said before, if the coaching money makes very little difference, then give it back and distribute it to the other counties. The next highest allocation is about 5% of that figure annually.

I've said this a million times, Dublin cannot be blamed for taking advantage of this funding. They have done a great job. But when the GAA hands a competitive advantage to a county which already has a lot of inherent advantages (which I don't mind and is part of the magic of playing Dublin) then it is an unsustainable situation.

Take Dublin's level of funding down to that of all the other teams, and then let the crops bloom in 5-10 years time and see where we are. Or alternatively increase all other teams to the same Per player funding, but I don't think the GAA has that sort of money.

Kerry are raising money like demons just to have a semblance of what Dublin has, and they are hoping that their own inherent advantages (no distractions, complete focus on Kerry football) take them past the Dubs. Mayo similarly.

Doing what Donegal did with their fundraising allows you to have a short burst of competitiveness at the top table because they invest in preparation of that senior team, but the next generation are not being coached like they are in Dublin, so you're back to square one again.

Again, it's not Dublins fault. They have used it brilliantly. Other counties might squander it. But they have cultivated a process to produce excellently coached players, on the back of GAA funding denied to other counties, and that is in my view very wrong.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2017
« on: June 25, 2017, 08:50:58 PM »
Jesus I hope not Tipp and Offaly.  They played a challenge match before Offaly played Galway and Tipp scored 8 22.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Old outfield players still plugging away?
« on: June 23, 2017, 09:46:49 PM »
Maggie , the Laois hurler who recently passed away, was playing into his 50s. Joe Cooney hurled with Sarsfields into his 40s. He never lost it. I think Mike Coleman played on with Abbeyknockmoy. Ciaran McDonald was playing relatively recently.

I think Maurice Fitz is still playing away with the Mary's. He was until recently anyway.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Juvenile Coaching
« on: June 23, 2017, 09:18:00 AM »
Don't worry about it

some lads will be trying to introduce blanket defences at U8 next

Not quite blanket but a sweeper at an u12 blitz the other day,  keeper came out to hit the long free kicks that were deemed scorable but then let the full back hit the kick outs!!!  Ref added 20 seconds per free kick on...I kid you not...showed me the watch after the game!!
I always let the player that was fouled take the free
stops one child taking over everything
plus gets the ball moving quicker

Would agree with this unless it's a scoring opportunity and the person is not going to score.

I coach at U10 level that wouldn't matter BCB.  We're not trying to win an All Ireland at that age, and it'll not do much for the youngster to not be allowed to kick "his" free kick.

It depends if the youngster in question is confident enough to take it and that's not always the case. You may be putting them under a bit of pressure to take a free, especially for a score when they're not comfortable to do so even if it is U10 or U12. I'd be inclined to have a quiet word just before it and ask them are they happy to take it and maybe take a bit of the pressure off them by telling them it doesn't really matter if they score or not but to give it a go.
The score and winning shouldn't matter to the coach, but kids being kids want to win and can put pressure on each other.

In my experience, nearly everyone wants to take the free. And sidelines. And 45s/65s and everything else :)

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General discussion / Re: The Cricket thread
« on: June 22, 2017, 04:23:36 PM »
That's great news for them. I'd be worried about them making inroads into hurling now.


In clontarf.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Croke Park - Bags and Shít
« on: June 22, 2017, 04:18:35 PM »
I disagree with the notion of the Grab All Association. It's not been my experience at least.

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Season or two ago a Rugby Union team in England gave a sub a blood capsule to get around a blood sub rule (cant mind the team).

Only a matter of time before someone here is caught at it (assuming it is already taking place left, right and centre)

That was Harlequins against Leinster in a Heineken Cup Quarter Final. Nick Evans it was. They went so far as to cut him with a razor in the dressing room after to try and head off suspicion.

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Because the ref initiates a blood sub, rather than the team, there is a loophole that can be exploited alright. But you'd want to be lucky that the ref orders a lad off that you don't mind losing :)

One of the other complications is that the returning player does NOT have to replace the lad that came on for him, and this would only count as one sub.

Example, Player A gets cut, and re calls for a sub, player B.

Player B has a stormer, but they want Player A to come back on. Player A returns for Player C.

So effectively Player A's return negates the blood sub, and Player B actually replaces Player C. It only counts as 1 sub.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Croke Park - Bags and Shít
« on: June 22, 2017, 12:55:15 PM »
Ye need to be raising stink over that. A lot of GAA money goes back to county boards to run their teams, but they are supposed to allocate out certain amounts for development, coaching and games, etc.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Croke Park - Bags and Shít
« on: June 22, 2017, 11:33:41 AM »
Taylor, what county are you in? If you are not seeing benefits from the GAA you need to be kicking up hell. Grants, Coaching courses, etc etc are dispersed all across the country.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Croke Park - Bags and Shít
« on: June 22, 2017, 09:58:47 AM »
I'm not sure I agree to be honest. I think they try to make their money at a higer levels, and they are making competitive decisions which are influenced by maximising revenue rather than promoting competitions, and that's bad. However I don't think they are gouging us in general. Ticket prices are a bit steep but apart from that it's not too bad.

Also, I suppose we should always remember that the GAA is using it's profits to promote and support the games. They give too much of it straight back to Dublin :) but the rest of us benefit from every euro they make too.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Croke Park - Bags and Shít
« on: June 22, 2017, 08:45:48 AM »
You can bet your bottom dollar the GAA will make money out of this.

While I appreciate the sentiment of keeping everyone safe there is no doubt they are now thinking about how €€€€ can be squeezed from the normal supporter with this.

With the added focus the GAA now have on the Health & Safety of our patrons I look forward to this rule being brought in at every GAA crowd where a crowd of more than say 20k can be expected.

It may be coincidence but the prices of the sweets/food/crisps may also go up by the odd 5 or 10 cent  :-\

Are Croke Park running the food shops, or have they not just rented out to various companies. So if the prices go up, that wouldn't be a Croke Park decision I'd have thought?

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