Climate change fires in Greece, Italy, Canada, Spain etc

[JPGJOHNNYG]

People are having less children in any case. but perhaps the population decline will not be fast enough.

In the western world yes. Everywhere else there is a population explosion. Do you remember biology in school and the bacteria on a Petri dish. We are currently in the exponential phase, we will hit a stationary phase once resources reach capacity and then will be heading for a rather grim death phase and probably not that far away, may e a few generations from now. We are sleep walking into it. As stated above all the green policies in the world are just pissing in the wind if we dont actually tackle the population boom around the world.

[Itchy]

Probably fair to say that the origin of the fire may not be climate related, but the difficulty in putting the damn thing out most certainly is.

Lots of trees in close proximity to each other is a bigger reason again, and that's not a man made issue.

Whilst I am being largely facetious here, I don't think it's possible for the climate to revert back to what our scientists might describe as normal or acceptable levels, without a rapid depopulation of the planet. For the more humans there are, the greater the need for industry, the greater the thirst for experimentation good and bad, and the greater the output of waste.

The real dilemma for the human race is not about whether to go green, but whether it can accept that a Thanos style solution is the best way to ensure a liveable planet for our distant generations.

Exactly. Recently-deceased Finnish philosopher, Pentti Linkola, advocated for measures such as an end to democracy, licences for couples to be allowed to have children, and the destruction of the cities (and their populations), to be imposed as soon as possible, before the damage to the planet became irreversible. However, there weren't too many willing for that harsh medicine...!

A hero of yours no doubt

[Milltown Row2]

People are having less children in any case. but perhaps the population decline will not be fast enough.

In the western world yes. Everywhere else there is a population explosion. Do you remember biology in school and the bacteria on a Petri dish. We are currently in the exponential phase, we will hit a stationary phase once resources reach capacity and then will be heading for a rather grim death phase and probably not that far away, may e a few generations from now. We are sleep walking into it. As stated above all the green policies in the world are just pissing in the wind if we dont actually tackle the population boom around the world.

How will you tackle that?

[Rudi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA&pp=ygUvbWFyaWx5biBtYW5zb24gYm93bGluZyBmb3IgY29sdW1iaW5lIGludGVydmlldyA%3D

Its about spreading fear & consumption. The anxiety levels of the western population are going through the roof. We are all going to die from covid, get the covid vaccine that 90 to 95% of our population didn't require. Now climate change, which has happened before, its called a cycle. Truth is we don't have enough credible data from 1000 years ago to build a more reliable picture of whats going on.
Man has fucked this planet, that is without doubt. Nuclear weapons, raped the environment in the name of progress & economic gain. We in the western world consume the worlds resources at an insane rate, mobile phones at least every 2 years, so we can keep up with the eggit next door. New cars every 5 years, new cookers, washing machines, tumble dryers you name it every 8 years. New flat screen tv every 3 years.
The western world is shouting stop, but at the same time encouraging us to gorge ourselves on new chit we don't need.

Yer lanky fella above in the video, can hardly be described as a role model, but he pretty much nails the fad that is the western world. Stop the world I wanna get off.

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA&pp=ygUvbWFyaWx5biBtYW5zb24gYm93bGluZyBmb3IgY29sdW1iaW5lIGludGVydmlldyA%3D

Its about spreading fear & consumption. The anxiety levels of the western population are going through the roof. We are all going to die from covid, get the covid vaccine that 90 to 95% of our population didn't require. Now climate change, which has happened before, its called a cycle. Truth is we don't have enough credible data from 1000 years ago to build a more reliable picture of whats going on.
Man has fucked this planet, that is without doubt. Nuclear weapons, raped the environment in the name of progress & economic gain. We in the western world consume the worlds resources at an insane rate, mobile phones at least every 2 years, so we can keep up with the eggit next door. New cars every 5 years, new cookers, washing machines, tumble dryers you name it every 8 years. New flat screen tv every 3 years.
The western world is shouting stop, but at the same time encouraging us to gorge ourselves on new chit we don't need.

Yer lanky fella above in the video, can hardly be described as a role model, but he pretty much nails the fad that is the western world. Stop the world I wanna get off.

I would love to know more about the psychology behind the pyromania. Would it be linked to  anti social stuff like anti vac?

[Last Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA&pp=ygUvbWFyaWx5biBtYW5zb24gYm93bGluZyBmb3IgY29sdW1iaW5lIGludGVydmlldyA%3D

Its about spreading fear & consumption. The anxiety levels of the western population are going through the roof. We are all going to die from covid, get the covid vaccine that 90 to 95% of our population didn't require. Now climate change, which has happened before, its called a cycle. Truth is we don't have enough credible data from 1000 years ago to build a more reliable picture of whats going on.
Man has fucked this planet, that is without doubt. Nuclear weapons, raped the environment in the name of progress & economic gain. We in the western world consume the worlds resources at an insane rate, mobile phones at least every 2 years, so we can keep up with the eggit next door. New cars every 5 years, new cookers, washing machines, tumble dryers you name it every 8 years. New flat screen tv every 3 years.
The western world is shouting stop, but at the same time encouraging us to gorge ourselves on new chit we don't need.

Yer lanky fella above in the video, can hardly be described as a role model, but he pretty much nails the fad that is the western world. Stop the world I wanna get off.

I would love to know more about the psychology behind the pyromania. Would it be linked to  anti social stuff like anti vac?

Helps drive media reports and climate change fear so a bit of a contradictory position in relation to anti- vaccine advocates.

[J70]

Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?

So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?

Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!

Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.

And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?

So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.

The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed  more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.

All these contributing factors are part of the same problem, i.e. the incompatibility of the demands of modern humans with the overall environment. Climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread etc. all have the same root cause and they all interact in various ways to increasingly impact humans ourselves through the effects of wildfires, extreme weather events, pollution, water availability and so on.

As for the specific ignition cause, again, so what? I'm not saying any arsonist should not be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for homicide and destruction of property and made a massive example of. But in the larger scheme it's fairly irrelevant. Sooner or later something is going to create the spark. The tinder box is sitting there waiting for the inferno to happen.

Hopefully in at least some cases, the tinderbox can be mitigated through invasive species removal, thinning, controls on building and, where possible, controlled burn programs. Unfortunately, the droughts appear to be baked in for good at this point, pardon the pun.

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0824/1401496-penguin-colonies/

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22288967/

[Last Man]

Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?

So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?

Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!

Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.

And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?

So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.

The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed  more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.

All these contributing factors are part of the same problem, i.e. the incompatibility of the demands of modern humans with the overall environment. Climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread etc. all have the same root cause and they all interact in various ways to increasingly impact humans ourselves through the effects of wildfires, extreme weather events, pollution, water availability and so on.

As for the specific ignition cause, again, so what? I'm not saying any arsonist should not be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for homicide and destruction of property and made a massive example of. But in the larger scheme it's fairly irrelevant. Sooner or later something is going to create the spark. The tinder box is sitting there waiting for the inferno to happen.

Hopefully in at least some cases, the tinderbox can be mitigated through invasive species removal, thinning, controls on building and, where possible, controlled burn programs. Unfortunately, the droughts appear to be baked in for good at this point, pardon the pun.

Yes maybe we might consider what we have been doing as a species for 100's possibly 1000's of years, innovate to mitigate.  Rather than just sitting wringing hands watching the place burn.
Quite pathetic that our over lords are not presenting any plan apart from heat pumps, windmills and battery cars! We need a clear out.

[seafoid]

24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28  degrees. 
It 's only going to get worse.

[thewobbler]

24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28  degrees. 
It 's only going to get worse.

When people like yourself describe every slightly unusual weather pattern as a result of climate change, it really frustrates people like me i.e. people who can remember that (Irish) weather patterns have been unpredictable since forever. You actually sound like a religious fundamentalist when complaining that a short Indian summer is end of nigh stuff.

[Blowitupref]

24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28  degrees. 
It 's only going to get worse.

Due some decent weather after loads of rain the last couple of months.  Back to rain again in a couple so enjoy it while it lasts.

[seafoid]

24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28  degrees. 
It 's only going to get worse.

When people like yourself describe every slightly unusual weather pattern as a result of climate change, it really frustrates people like me i.e. people who can remember that (Irish) weather patterns have been unpredictable since forever. You actually sound like a religious fundamentalist when complaining that a short Indian summer is end of nigh stuff.

It's not  just the incidence. It's the severity. There is too much data to ignore.

[imtommygunn]

There is but I don't think a few good days here is part of that data!

[AustinPowers]

24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28  degrees. 
It 's only going to get worse.

Al Gore and Bill Gates  may  get the sandbags   ready for the  imminent  rising sea levels swallowing up  their beach front mansions.