Reports in Tenerife that at least 3 fires are expected to have been started deliberately. #jaysus
Would these fires be likely to change your holiday choices going forward?
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
A friend of mine has relatives in Sicily. He said the wind had brought the fire close to the Airport in Catania. Why would anyone bother going to the Med in future ?
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2023, 10:28:24 AM
A friend of mine has relatives in Sicily. He said the wind had brought the fire close to the Airport in Catania. Why would anyone bother going to the Med in future ?
Have you been in Ireland over the 'summer'
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.
Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires
Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.
Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires
Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
See I think this is complete bullshit. I believe there is man made climate change by the way. However, assigning blame for forest fires to climate change does nothing only weaken the argument. For example if we had in the south of Portugal 3 weeks of 25-30 degree heat or 3 weeks of 40 Degree plus heat, do you think that fires are more likely in 40 Degree scenario. I don't think so, the place is bone dry either way and a misplace cigarette butt or an intentional arson attack in both scenarios will have the same result, widespread destructive fire. This is being hyped up to sell newspapers and adverts and has nothing to do with climate change or awareness of climate change sadly.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.
Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires
Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
Surely the root of it all is the people deliberately starting the fires?
(https://files.wri.org/d8/s3fs-public/2022-08/forest_fires_over_time.gif)
New Data Confirms: Forest Fires Are Getting Worse
New data on forest fires confirms what we've long feared: Forest fires are becoming more widespread, burning nearly twice as much tree cover today as they did 20 years ago.
Using data from a new study by researchers at the University of Maryland, we calculated that forest fires now result in 3 million more hectares of tree cover loss per year compared to 2001 — an area roughly the size of Belgium — and accounted for more than a quarter of all tree cover loss over the past 20 years.
Full article (https://www.wri.org/insights/global-trends-forest-fires).
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
Number of wildfires to rise by 50% by 2100 and governments are not prepared, experts warn
Climate change and land-use change are projected to make wildfires more frequent and intense, with a global increase of extreme fires of up to 14 per cent by 2030, 30 per cent by the end of 2050 and 50 per cent by the end of the century, according to a new report by the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) and GRID-Arendal.
The paper calls for a radical change in government spending on wildfires, shifting their investments from reaction and response to prevention and preparedness.
Full article (https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/number-wildfires-rise-50-2100-and-governments-are-not-prepared).
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
Humans will adapt to climate change. Those in wet areas will acquire fins over time or scales and then those in the warm areas will get wet skins naturally from birth. It has always been that way. Years ago we got an appendix to ward off eating celery and greens etc.
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Quote from: Taylor on August 21, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.
Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires
Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
Surely the root of it all is the people deliberately starting the fires?
If you deliberately start a fire where it's cool and it rained last night then you're less likely to trigger a wildfire.
If you deliberately start a fire where it's hot and it hasn't rained for months then you're more likely to trigger a wildfire.
The cooler and wetter it is, the fewer wildfires you're going to see.
The hotter and drier it is, the more wildfires you're going to see.
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.
Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires
Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
See I think this is complete bullshit. I believe there is man made climate change by the way. However, assigning blame for forest fires to climate change does nothing only weaken the argument. For example if we had in the south of Portugal 3 weeks of 25-30 degree heat or 3 weeks of 40 Degree plus heat, do you think that fires are more likely in 40 Degree scenario. I don't think so, the place is bone dry either way and a misplace cigarette butt or an intentional arson attack in both scenarios will have the same result, widespread destructive fire. This is being hyped up to sell newspapers and adverts and has nothing to do with climate change or awareness of climate change sadly.
Or push a certain agenda , perhaps?
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22288669/
I must say, the "climate change is a conspiracy to sell newspapers and ads" is a take I haven't heard before. I thought it was a cabal of billionaire climatologists in a sinister conspiracy to overcome a plucky band of regular, decent, hard-working oil executives and shareholders who are just struggling to get by.
Quote from: seafoid on August 21, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22288669/
An interesting stat in this : Every 1% increase in environmental heat results in a 12% increase in lightning
Lightning isn't a huge thing in damp Europe but in heavily forested North America it is a hoor.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230817-the-weird-wind-that-can-supercharge-heatwaves-and-wildfire
Those dense monocultural conifer forests that Ireland has been planting could come back to haunt the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland being vulnerable to wildfires in the coming years when these temperatures keep going up.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8259
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 22, 2023, 06:03:50 AM
Those dense monocultural conifer forests that Ireland has been planting could come back to haunt the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland being vulnerable to wildfires in the coming years when these temperatures keep going up.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8259
Seeing as the place hasn't dried out all year, there's. very little chance of that!
Quote from: Tubberman on August 22, 2023, 07:09:57 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 22, 2023, 06:03:50 AM
Those dense monocultural conifer forests that Ireland has been planting could come back to haunt the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland being vulnerable to wildfires in the coming years when these temperatures keep going up.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8259
Seeing as the place hasn't dried out all year, there's. very little chance of that!
Unless it's started deliberately, fires in the Mournes couple of years ago were started on purpose.
It will be the end of the world before Ireland becomes a hot country
I'm in Greece at the minute and nearly all the fires here have been started deliberately. It's heartbreaking to see so much destruction caused by a few pricks. The latest fires in the north east have been started by illegal immigrants who are trying to keep the authorities busy. Burn half a county f**k the consequences the death and destruction. Can't understand the mentality
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 21, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on August 21, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Last Man on August 21, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 21, 2023, 09:47:04 AM
If the fires were started deliberately , how is it to do with climate change ?
Makes you wonder alright
Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.
Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires
Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.
Surely the root of it all is the people deliberately starting the fires?
If you deliberately start a fire where it's cool and it rained last night then you're less likely to trigger a wildfire.
If you deliberately start a fire where it's hot and it hasn't rained for months then you're more likely to trigger a wildfire.
The cooler and wetter it is, the fewer wildfires you're going to see.
The hotter and drier it is, the more wildfires you're going to see.
The point was made that climate change is at the root of this - if the fires are being started deliberately then Im not sure how the person starting the fire isnt the root of all this.
https://x.com/ike_dabie/status/1692992122662670753?s=46&t=DoMMsPN-cnATSPaNwKhQ5g (https://x.com/ike_dabie/status/1692992122662670753?s=46&t=DoMMsPN-cnATSPaNwKhQ5g)
I think at this stage we need to recognise that's it's deck chairs on the titanic.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
The world is on fire and us ants are voting for Populists like Trump and Boris who are grifting away milking the system for last dregs so they will be fine. Us peasants will drown and burn as the weather becomes more and more extreme as it will do.
Maybe then we will wonder why we didn't listen to experts instead of the likes of Matt Le Tissier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVfP24Nx_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVfP24Nx_s)
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on August 22, 2023, 08:08:44 AM
I'm in Greece at the minute and nearly all the fires here have been started deliberately. It's heartbreaking to see so much destruction caused by a few pricks. The latest fires in the north east have been started by illegal immigrants who are trying to keep the authorities busy. Burn half a county f**k the consequences the death and destruction. Can't understand the mentality
A fireman I know who has been fighting these fires told me that they have feck all to do with a carelessly discarded cigarette butt - they're not sufficient to start a fire. All the major fires are deliberate, either cos someone is just a c*nt or because of some dispute with the neighbour where they try to burn some land and things get out of control (which is apparently WAY more common than you would think, at least here in Spain).
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.
And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?
So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.
Quote from: J70 on August 22, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.
And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?
So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.
The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.
Would the climate deniers give over?
Quote from: CiKe on August 22, 2023, 11:33:52 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on August 22, 2023, 08:08:44 AM
I'm in Greece at the minute and nearly all the fires here have been started deliberately. It's heartbreaking to see so much destruction caused by a few pricks. The latest fires in the north east have been started by illegal immigrants who are trying to keep the authorities busy. Burn half a county f**k the consequences the death and destruction. Can't understand the mentality
A fireman I know who has been fighting these fires told me that they have feck all to do with a carelessly discarded cigarette butt - they're not sufficient to start a fire. All the major fires are deliberate, either cos someone is just a c*nt or because of some dispute with the neighbour where they try to burn some land and things get out of control (which is apparently WAY more common than you would think, at least here in Spain).
On basis of last few comments about climate deniers (not sure if I got lumped in there), to be clear, I am not denying climate change at all. What I am saying is that a fireman here in Spain has told me that the vast majority of these fires are not being started by climate change or discarded cigarette butts, they are being started by arson.
Climate change undeniably makes the impact far worse as everything is bone dry, but if you could eliminate the firestarters, we'd see many less fires.One fireman, take of that what you will, if other people have heard different am happy to hear what they have been told.
BBC News - Greece wildfires: Eighteen bodies found in Greek forest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66579193
18 bodies believed to be migrants.
Awful tragedy like something out of WW2. Climate change is run by different Nazis.
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 22, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.
And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?
So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.
The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.
Climate change has become the new religion and any questioning of it , no matter how small , is akin to blasphemy
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 22, 2023, 04:16:01 PM
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.
And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?
So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.
The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.
Climate change has become the new religion and any questioning of it , no matter how small , is akin to blasphemy
Not blasphemy no. But you can't expect people to not laugh at you when you come out with this guff. You are free to express your opinion, but we are also free to mock you relentlessly.
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 22, 2023, 04:16:01 PM
Climate change has become the new religion and any questioning of it , no matter how small , is akin to blasphemy
Sweet Jesus. Here comes the self-pity crew.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 22, 2023, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 22, 2023, 04:16:01 PM
Climate change has become the new religion and any questioning of it , no matter how small , is akin to blasphemy
Sweet Jesus. Here comes the self-pity crew.
No it's not. I'm simply saying that Some people here have questioned Whether fires are linked to climate change (others have questioned other things here and elsewhere ). But your reply and the reply before yours , kind of sums up my point.
Probably fair to say that the origin of the fire may not be climate related, but the difficulty in putting the damn thing out most certainly is.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 22, 2023, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on August 22, 2023, 04:16:01 PM
Climate change has become the new religion and any questioning of it , no matter how small , is akin to blasphemy
Sweet Jesus. Here comes the self-pity crew.
Hey have a bit of respect. There is a tidal wave of hysteria on the Climate Change stuff. Media has gone into overdrive. Every half arsed weather condition that is a bit out of the ordinary is lumped into this doom and gloom category.
There are legitimate Climate Change stuff and there is the load of B*llocks stuff that in no way involves climate change.
If we can't question, have a debate, show doubt, about what is and what is not - then what are we?
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 22, 2023, 09:53:14 PM
Probably fair to say that the origin of the fire may not be climate related, but the difficulty in putting the damn thing out most certainly is.
Lots of trees in close proximity to each other is a bigger reason again, and that's not a man made issue.
Whilst I am being largely facetious here, I don't think it's possible for the climate to revert back to what our scientists might describe as normal or acceptable levels, without a rapid depopulation of the planet. For the more humans there are, the greater the need for industry, the greater the thirst for experimentation good and bad, and the greater the output of waste.
The real dilemma for the human race is not about whether to go green, but whether it can accept that a Thanos style solution is the best way to ensure a liveable planet for our distant generations.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 22, 2023, 09:53:14 PM
Probably fair to say that the origin of the fire may not be climate related, but the difficulty in putting the damn thing out most certainly is.
Lots of trees in close proximity to each other is a bigger reason again, and that's not a man made issue.
Whilst I am being largely facetious here, I don't think it's possible for the climate to revert back to what our scientists might describe as normal or acceptable levels, without a rapid depopulation of the planet. For the more humans there are, the greater the need for industry, the greater the thirst for experimentation good and bad, and the greater the output of waste.
The real dilemma for the human race is not about whether to go green, but whether it can accept that a Thanos style solution is the best way to ensure a liveable planet for our distant generations.
Exactly. Recently-deceased Finnish philosopher, Pentti Linkola, advocated for measures such as an end to democracy, licences for couples to be allowed to have children, and the destruction of the cities (and their populations), to be imposed as soon as possible, before the damage to the planet became irreversible. However, there weren't too many willing for that harsh medicine...!
People are having less children in any case. but perhaps the population decline will not be fast enough.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 22, 2023, 10:53:48 PM
People are having less children in any case. but perhaps the population decline will not be fast enough.
I don't think world population is projected to decline before 100 years from now? Definitely not soon enough!
Quote from: armaghniac on August 22, 2023, 10:53:48 PM
People are having less children in any case. but perhaps the population decline will not be fast enough.
In the western world yes. Everywhere else there is a population explosion. Do you remember biology in school and the bacteria on a Petri dish. We are currently in the exponential phase, we will hit a stationary phase once resources reach capacity and then will be heading for a rather grim death phase and probably not that far away, may e a few generations from now. We are sleep walking into it. As stated above all the green policies in the world are just pissing in the wind if we dont actually tackle the population boom around the world.
Quote from: burdizzo on August 22, 2023, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 22, 2023, 09:53:14 PM
Probably fair to say that the origin of the fire may not be climate related, but the difficulty in putting the damn thing out most certainly is.
Lots of trees in close proximity to each other is a bigger reason again, and that's not a man made issue.
Whilst I am being largely facetious here, I don't think it's possible for the climate to revert back to what our scientists might describe as normal or acceptable levels, without a rapid depopulation of the planet. For the more humans there are, the greater the need for industry, the greater the thirst for experimentation good and bad, and the greater the output of waste.
The real dilemma for the human race is not about whether to go green, but whether it can accept that a Thanos style solution is the best way to ensure a liveable planet for our distant generations.
Exactly. Recently-deceased Finnish philosopher, Pentti Linkola, advocated for measures such as an end to democracy, licences for couples to be allowed to have children, and the destruction of the cities (and their populations), to be imposed as soon as possible, before the damage to the planet became irreversible. However, there weren't too many willing for that harsh medicine...!
A hero of yours no doubt
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on August 23, 2023, 07:01:23 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 22, 2023, 10:53:48 PM
People are having less children in any case. but perhaps the population decline will not be fast enough.
In the western world yes. Everywhere else there is a population explosion. Do you remember biology in school and the bacteria on a Petri dish. We are currently in the exponential phase, we will hit a stationary phase once resources reach capacity and then will be heading for a rather grim death phase and probably not that far away, may e a few generations from now. We are sleep walking into it. As stated above all the green policies in the world are just pissing in the wind if we dont actually tackle the population boom around the world.
How will you tackle that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA&pp=ygUvbWFyaWx5biBtYW5zb24gYm93bGluZyBmb3IgY29sdW1iaW5lIGludGVydmlldyA%3D
Its about spreading fear & consumption. The anxiety levels of the western population are going through the roof. We are all going to die from covid, get the covid vaccine that 90 to 95% of our population didn't require. Now climate change, which has happened before, its called a cycle. Truth is we don't have enough credible data from 1000 years ago to build a more reliable picture of whats going on.
Man has fucked this planet, that is without doubt. Nuclear weapons, raped the environment in the name of progress & economic gain. We in the western world consume the worlds resources at an insane rate, mobile phones at least every 2 years, so we can keep up with the eggit next door. New cars every 5 years, new cookers, washing machines, tumble dryers you name it every 8 years. New flat screen tv every 3 years.
The western world is shouting stop, but at the same time encouraging us to gorge ourselves on new chit we don't need.
Yer lanky fella above in the video, can hardly be described as a role model, but he pretty much nails the fad that is the western world. Stop the world I wanna get off.
Quote from: Rudi on August 23, 2023, 10:04:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA&pp=ygUvbWFyaWx5biBtYW5zb24gYm93bGluZyBmb3IgY29sdW1iaW5lIGludGVydmlldyA%3D
Its about spreading fear & consumption. The anxiety levels of the western population are going through the roof. We are all going to die from covid, get the covid vaccine that 90 to 95% of our population didn't require. Now climate change, which has happened before, its called a cycle. Truth is we don't have enough credible data from 1000 years ago to build a more reliable picture of whats going on.
Man has fucked this planet, that is without doubt. Nuclear weapons, raped the environment in the name of progress & economic gain. We in the western world consume the worlds resources at an insane rate, mobile phones at least every 2 years, so we can keep up with the eggit next door. New cars every 5 years, new cookers, washing machines, tumble dryers you name it every 8 years. New flat screen tv every 3 years.
The western world is shouting stop, but at the same time encouraging us to gorge ourselves on new chit we don't need.
Yer lanky fella above in the video, can hardly be described as a role model, but he pretty much nails the fad that is the western world. Stop the world I wanna get off.
I would love to know more about the psychology behind the pyromania. Would it be linked to anti social stuff like anti vac?
Quote from: seafoid on August 23, 2023, 10:19:01 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 23, 2023, 10:04:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ4HWhPEdA&pp=ygUvbWFyaWx5biBtYW5zb24gYm93bGluZyBmb3IgY29sdW1iaW5lIGludGVydmlldyA%3D
Its about spreading fear & consumption. The anxiety levels of the western population are going through the roof. We are all going to die from covid, get the covid vaccine that 90 to 95% of our population didn't require. Now climate change, which has happened before, its called a cycle. Truth is we don't have enough credible data from 1000 years ago to build a more reliable picture of whats going on.
Man has fucked this planet, that is without doubt. Nuclear weapons, raped the environment in the name of progress & economic gain. We in the western world consume the worlds resources at an insane rate, mobile phones at least every 2 years, so we can keep up with the eggit next door. New cars every 5 years, new cookers, washing machines, tumble dryers you name it every 8 years. New flat screen tv every 3 years.
The western world is shouting stop, but at the same time encouraging us to gorge ourselves on new chit we don't need.
Yer lanky fella above in the video, can hardly be described as a role model, but he pretty much nails the fad that is the western world. Stop the world I wanna get off.
I would love to know more about the psychology behind the pyromania. Would it be linked to anti social stuff like anti vac?
Helps drive media reports and climate change fear so a bit of a contradictory position in relation to anti- vaccine advocates.
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 22, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.
And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?
So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.
The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.
All these contributing factors are part of the same problem, i.e. the incompatibility of the demands of modern humans with the overall environment. Climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread etc. all have the same root cause and they all interact in various ways to increasingly impact humans ourselves through the effects of wildfires, extreme weather events, pollution, water availability and so on.
As for the specific ignition cause, again, so what? I'm not saying any arsonist should not be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for homicide and destruction of property and made a massive example of. But in the larger scheme it's fairly irrelevant. Sooner or later something is going to create the spark. The tinder box is sitting there waiting for the inferno to happen.
Hopefully in at least some cases, the tinderbox can be mitigated through invasive species removal, thinning, controls on building and, where possible, controlled burn programs. Unfortunately, the droughts appear to be baked in for good at this point, pardon the pun.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0824/1401496-penguin-colonies/
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22288967/
Quote from: J70 on August 23, 2023, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 22, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 22, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 21, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 21, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires
Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.
Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.
Full article (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/satellite-data-record-shows-climate-changes-impact-on-fires/).
What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?
So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?
Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!
Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.
And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?
So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.
The key word is "partly" in your post. How much of the increase in fires are the due to climate change. What are the other factors because I am hearing none being presented in media and yet on here we all know fires are being started deliberately. Are all fire started by vandals or is there farmers doing it too (there certainly are in Ireland) What if one of the other contributing causes can be addressed more quickly than climate change? Why are we not having media inform us about this? It seems if you ask a question or point out something that goes against this new cult you will be metaphorically be burned at the stake. And I believe that Climate Change is real and man made by the way before you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.
All these contributing factors are part of the same problem, i.e. the incompatibility of the demands of modern humans with the overall environment. Climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread etc. all have the same root cause and they all interact in various ways to increasingly impact humans ourselves through the effects of wildfires, extreme weather events, pollution, water availability and so on.
As for the specific ignition cause, again, so what? I'm not saying any arsonist should not be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for homicide and destruction of property and made a massive example of. But in the larger scheme it's fairly irrelevant. Sooner or later something is going to create the spark. The tinder box is sitting there waiting for the inferno to happen.
Hopefully in at least some cases, the tinderbox can be mitigated through invasive species removal, thinning, controls on building and, where possible, controlled burn programs. Unfortunately, the droughts appear to be baked in for good at this point, pardon the pun.
Yes maybe we might consider what we have been doing as a species for 100's possibly 1000's of years, innovate to mitigate. Rather than just sitting wringing hands watching the place burn.
Quite pathetic that our over lords are not presenting any plan apart from heat pumps, windmills and battery cars! We need a clear out.
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:03:01 AM
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
When people like yourself describe every slightly unusual weather pattern as a result of climate change, it really frustrates people like me i.e. people who can remember that (Irish) weather patterns have been unpredictable since forever. You actually sound like a religious fundamentalist when complaining that a short Indian summer is end of nigh stuff.
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:03:01 AM
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
Due some decent weather after loads of rain the last couple of months. Back to rain again in a couple so enjoy it while it lasts.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 07, 2023, 08:24:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:03:01 AM
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
When people like yourself describe every slightly unusual weather pattern as a result of climate change, it really frustrates people like me i.e. people who can remember that (Irish) weather patterns have been unpredictable since forever. You actually sound like a religious fundamentalist when complaining that a short Indian summer is end of nigh stuff.
It's not just the incidence. It's the severity. There is too much data to ignore.
There is but I don't think a few good days here is part of that data!
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:03:01 AM
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
Al Gore and Bill Gates may get the sandbags ready for the imminent rising sea levels swallowing up their beach front mansions.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2023, 09:42:21 AM
There is but I don't think a few good days here is part of that data!
It's the extreme's that are the concern.
We'd a very warm June to be followed by one of the wettest July's on record, August was meh, and now we've days in September well into the high 20's...
The spud crop was fecked down our way with the July rain, blight and poor growth...
The three months just past have been the three hottest ever recorded across the planet.
One data point on its own might not mean much, but the accumulation of them do.
Quote from: AustinPowers on September 07, 2023, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:03:01 AM
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
Al Gore and Bill Gates may get the sandbags ready for the imminent rising sea levels swallowing up their beach front mansions.
I have sandbags permanently set up in front of my basement doors due to extreme rain events in NYC the past two years. Never had a problem before that in the ten years I've been in my house.
Quote from: J70 on September 07, 2023, 02:46:45 PM
The three months just past have been the three hottest ever recorded across the planet.
One data point on its own might not mean much, but the accumulation of them do.
I fully agree. Less than one week of exceptions is not the thing that spells climate change. It's the consistency of it.
All fair and well folks.
But when someone promotes a short Indian Summer in Ireland as a climate change concern, they come across as a zealot, and in my opinion, are detrimental to the cause.
I don't know why. It just strikes me as the type of guilt ridden propaganda that I'd associate with the church. Focus on the things that shouldn't happen in our weather system folks.
It's raining now. Climate change over ;D
Quote from: thewobbler on September 07, 2023, 03:54:34 PM
All fair and well folks.
But when someone promotes a short Indian Summer in Ireland as a climate change concern, they come across as a zealot, and in my opinion, are detrimental to the cause.
I don't know why. It just strikes me as the type of guilt ridden propaganda that I'd associate with the church. Focus on the things that shouldn't happen in our weather system folks.
After a summer of unprecedented temperatures on the continent and forest fires all over the world and record low sea ice in the Arctic and the record ever temperature in Ireland at 29 degrees and 30 predicted tomorrow I don't.
It gave a big fat sun all day and we couldn't even get to 3 o'clock without it lashing.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2023, 04:02:05 PM
It's raining now. Climate change over ;D
Its hot rain though!! Like acid! Whatever happened to acid rain? is that still going?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2023, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2023, 04:02:05 PM
It's raining now. Climate change over ;D
Its hot rain though!! Like acid! Whatever happened to acid rain? is that still going?
I forgot about it...
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190823-can-lessons-from-acid-rain-help-stop-climate-change (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190823-can-lessons-from-acid-rain-help-stop-climate-change)
Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth but it will if you leave it overnight on the worktop when the daytime temperature is 28. In September.
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:31:37 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 07, 2023, 08:24:27 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2023, 08:03:01 AM
24 to 28 degrees today- in September. In Ireland. The Munster hurling final was never 28 degrees.
It 's only going to get worse.
When people like yourself describe every slightly unusual weather pattern as a result of climate change, it really frustrates people like me i.e. people who can remember that (Irish) weather patterns have been unpredictable since forever. You actually sound like a religious fundamentalist when complaining that a short Indian summer is end of nigh stuff.
It's not just the incidence. It's the severity. There is too much data to ignore.
It stopped raining in Galway for a few days, if that's not a bizarre weather pattern I don't know what is.