Westminster Election 12th December 2019

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Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

I think it's about time the UK Government started spending they've been hoarding for long enough. . . plenty of 'fiscal headroom' and borrowing couldn't be cheaper at the minute!!

[seafoid]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

It's the super rich. They have loads of money. Labour can offer more than the Tories because of this

[seafoid]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/nov/15/general-election-corbyn-talks-free-broadband-as-johnson-launches-campaign-bus-live-news

Johnson has now finished.
It was only a very short stump speech, but it did mark an escalation in campaign rhetoric. Some of what he was saying about Labour was even more extreme, and questionable, than what he has said in the past.

Johnson says he was not allowed to talk about Labour's plans in his BBC appearances his morning. (The presenters tried to get him to focus on Conservative plans, not just on attacking Labour.)
But he says now he can talk about Labour.
Labour's plans are terrifying, he says.
He repeats his claims (which Labour denies) that Labour would hold two referendums next year.
He claims that Labour is opposed to home ownership.

[Kidder81]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

It's the super rich. They have loads of money. Labour can offer more than the Tories because of this

Anyone with any expertise on the matter has said its impossible for many reasons and "tax the rich/companies" wouldn't come close to paying for it.

[Tony Baloney]

Corbyn talks some shite. The more fantastical his economic giveaways seem, the less people will trust him.

[seafoid]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

It's the super rich. They have loads of money. Labour can offer more than the Tories because of this

Anyone with any expertise on the matter has said its impossible for many reasons and "tax the rich/companies" wouldn't come close to paying for it.

He could reverse corporation tax cuts, apply stamp duty to derivatives trading, close tax loopholes or increase taxes above 80K , for example. The means are there.

[Rossfan]

Looks like our  6 Cos. friends will be getting another Election in January

[playwiththewind1st]

Looks like our  6 Cos. friends will be getting another Election in January

It's in legislation, as I have already said on here - the latest one being 13 January.  It's  been put back & put back again. You cannot keep on extending the deadline - at some stage you gotta call a poll.

[lurganblue]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

Doesn't matter.  Brexit has shown that you can throw out as many lies as you want and then deal with them once you have achieved the desired result.

[smelmoth]

Corbyn talks some shite. The more fantastical his economic giveaways seem, the less people will trust him.

Name the giveaway and tell us your problem with it.

I'm awaiting detail on the broadband proposal. But there is nothing I've heard of actual policy that is anything other than sensible.

Th NHS spending looks welcome.
The tax policy to fund it looks fair and workable
The education changes (despite the Tory lies re Ofsted) are uncontentious
The Brexit proposal is the only sensible one on offer in this election
The rail infrastructure nationalisation and water nationalisation are needed. The current model cannot deliver the long term investment and the public purse is having to sort out the problems after private dividends are paid.

[seafoid]

Corbyn talks some shite. The more fantastical his economic giveaways seem, the less people will trust him.

Name the giveaway and tell us your problem with it.

I'm awaiting detail on the broadband proposal. But there is nothing I've heard of actual policy that is anything other than sensible.

Th NHS spending looks welcome.
The tax policy to fund it looks fair and workable
The education changes (despite the Tory lies re Ofsted) are uncontentious
The Brexit proposal is the only sensible one on offer in this election
The rail infrastructure nationalisation and water nationalisation are needed. The current model cannot deliver the long term investment and the public purse is having to sort out the problems after private dividends are paid.

The tory spin on Labour's proposals do not make sense. Johnson calls the boardband plan "terrifying". Meanwhile the Tories are offering a Brexit deal that will cost 8% of GDP. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. 

[seafoid]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

Doesn't matter.  Brexit has shown that you can throw out as many lies as you want and then deal with them once you have achieved the desired result.

The election is Brexit vs Remain

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1195613856594366464

[smelmoth]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

Doesn't matter.  Brexit has shown that you can throw out as many lies as you want and then deal with them once you have achieved the desired result.

The election is Brexit vs Remain

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1195613856594366464

The broad thrust of this is bang on but there a couple of little extra dynamics that have to be layered on top.

Number 1 if there was only 2 candidates in each constituency - 1 representing Leave (which there very nearly is) and 1 representing Remain (which there isn't at all) then Leave win a landslide with roughly 50% of the votes. Therefore every leave seat that votes Labour is critical. Every seat that Labour retains with an amalgam of Remain and Leave votes is key. Lib Dems chance of winning in a majority of these seats is zero.
Secondly as Mr Curtice says the Remain parties are in favour of a second referendum but the Liberal Democrat's are campaigning on the basis that they are against a second referendum. The Greens and Plaid are in favour of a second referendum but in a pact with a party that says it isn't.

If we get to the other of this and BoJo hasn't got a majority the Lib Dem mandate is to not have a second referendum, not negotiate a Leave option to put down in a referendum and to not do a deal with Labour. Is the LD proposal "Vote for us because you can rely on us not to do what we said we were going to do"??

[seafoid]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

Doesn't matter.  Brexit has shown that you can throw out as many lies as you want and then deal with them once you have achieved the desired result.

The election is Brexit vs Remain

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1195613856594366464

The broad thrust of this is bang on but there a couple of little extra dynamics that have to be layered on top.

Number 1 if there was only 2 candidates in each constituency - 1 representing Leave (which there very nearly is) and 1 representing Remain (which there isn't at all) then Leave win a landslide with roughly 50% of the votes. Therefore every leave seat that votes Labour is critical. Every seat that Labour retains with an amalgam of Remain and Leave votes is key. Lib Dems chance of winning in a majority of these seats is zero.
Secondly as Mr Curtice says the Remain parties are in favour of a second referendum but the Liberal Democrat's are campaigning on the basis that they are against a second referendum. The Greens and Plaid are in favour of a second referendum but in a pact with a party that says it isn't.

If we get to the other of this and BoJo hasn't got a majority the Lib Dem mandate is to not have a second referendum, not negotiate a Leave option to put down in a referendum and to not do a deal with Labour. Is the LD proposal "Vote for us because you can rely on us not to do what we said we were going to do"??

In GB the dynamics under FPTP with 4 contenders are extremely complex
A lot will depend on turnout.

[magpie seanie]

Corbyn wants to give everyone free broadband and pay them the same money for working less hours...

What a horrible b**tard I vote Boris!!

It's some money tree he has found

Doesn't matter.  Brexit has shown that you can throw out as many lies as you want and then deal with them once you have achieved the desired result.

The election is Brexit vs Remain

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1195613856594366464

The broad thrust of this is bang on but there a couple of little extra dynamics that have to be layered on top.

Number 1 if there was only 2 candidates in each constituency - 1 representing Leave (which there very nearly is) and 1 representing Remain (which there isn't at all) then Leave win a landslide with roughly 50% of the votes. Therefore every leave seat that votes Labour is critical. Every seat that Labour retains with an amalgam of Remain and Leave votes is key. Lib Dems chance of winning in a majority of these seats is zero.
Secondly as Mr Curtice says the Remain parties are in favour of a second referendum but the Liberal Democrat's are campaigning on the basis that they are against a second referendum. The Greens and Plaid are in favour of a second referendum but in a pact with a party that says it isn't.

If we get to the other of this and BoJo hasn't got a majority the Lib Dem mandate is to not have a second referendum, not negotiate a Leave option to put down in a referendum and to not do a deal with Labour. Is the LD proposal "Vote for us because you can rely on us not to do what we said we were going to do"??

The Lib Dems position on a lot of things is laughable really. They're Tory lite. Only differences are Brexit and on social issues. Fiscally they're very conservative which I think a lot of people don't realise.