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Title: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: tonto1888 on May 13, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Is it true Jamie Clarke may miss out?
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: stew on May 13, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
No and it would not matter anyhow!
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2017, 10:34:00 AM
Is it true Jamie Clarke may miss out?

Yeah he's going to be in China.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: tonto1888 on May 13, 2017, 12:06:12 PM
I had heard he was injured. Living in London it's hard to get up to date and accurate info at times
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
Got a bit of a bang in the league last week but nothing serious.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: tonto1888 on May 13, 2017, 01:14:54 PM
Cheers mate. That doesn't sound too bad then
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 13, 2017, 02:13:44 PM
Has there ever been a clash of Down and Armagh with each team having such a low rating?
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Seany on May 13, 2017, 03:40:10 PM
1991. Down fans leaving the ground that day told Armagh fans they were lucky to be out of the competition because they had to endure their team for another game.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 13, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Armagh were the previous year's Ulster Finalists and Down were also fairly high in the ratings too.It might have been a poor game in 1991 but both Armagh and Down going into the game were genuine contenders for the Ulster Championship that year.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: seafoid on May 13, 2017, 05:49:26 PM
Has there ever been a clash of Down and Armagh with each team having such a low rating?
From the 20s to 50s there were probably a few

At least Down are D2
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: BennyCake on May 13, 2017, 06:43:26 PM
Armagh were the previous year's Ulster Finalists and Down were also fairly high in the ratings too.It might have been a poor game in 1991 but both Armagh and Down going into the game were genuine contenders for the Ulster Championship that year.

Neither had won Ulster for the previous 8 years though. Neither were really contenders.

Down winning Sam in 91 was as surprising as Leicester winning the Premier League.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 01:07:38 AM
Unlikely AI winners,but no one would have been surprised by either Armagh or Down winning Ulster that year.It would be considered a miracle if either of them won an Ulster semi final this year.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: stew on May 14, 2017, 03:17:06 AM
JC is said to be in an airboot but is expected to be fit for Down.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 14, 2017, 02:27:00 PM
It would be considered a miracle if either of them won an Ulster semi final this year.
Stop exaggerating. Monaghan are the likely semi final opponents and they were beaten by division three Longford last summer at home.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
Right.How much would you place on Armagh or Down to beat Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:12:48 PM
I would place £20 on down if they were 4/1
Armagh are pathetic at the back and a manager that is clueless
In 3 years they have went from division 2 to division 3 and hardly won a championship match
We are not great but we are better than the orange men
Down by 5
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 10:14:36 PM
Even money both teams according to Sky Bet.I would fear for Armagh if they win and have to face Monaghan
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: BennyCake on May 14, 2017, 10:23:14 PM
Even money both teams according to Sky Bet.I would fear for Armagh if they win and have to face Monaghan

No need to fear. We won't be beating Down.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: BennyCake on May 14, 2017, 10:34:23 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??

That'd be him in the moonboot. Campbell might havea good day but honestly can't see us winning. We can't hold onto a lead. Not that we could actually be leading in Newry.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: naka on May 14, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
Even money both teams according to Sky Bet.I would fear for Armagh if they win and have to face Monaghan

No need to fear. We won't be beating Down.
🙈

We will be beat down
That I would be confident of
We mightn't win another game though
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 14, 2017, 10:44:38 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??

That'd be him in the moonboot. Campbell might havea good day but honestly can't see us winning. We can't hold onto a lead. Not that we could actually be leading in Newry.

Cute Kerry hoorism still alive and well in south Armagh obviously. I don't think any Armagh posters would be surprised with an Armagh win.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: BennyCake on May 14, 2017, 11:11:06 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??

That'd be him in the moonboot. Campbell might havea good day but honestly can't see us winning. We can't hold onto a lead. Not that we could actually be leading in Newry.

Cute Kerry hoorism still alive and well in south Armagh obviously. I don't think any Armagh posters would be surprised with an Armagh win.

It's not just South Armagh folk who have t'internet.

Nah, Down by 2-3 points. Mickey Linden to score a retaken penalty and we'll all be washed out of Newry. But not even Claudio Ranieri could lead them to Sam after this match.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: regal on May 15, 2017, 12:11:22 AM
Here smurfy, so Armagh have a manager who is clueless? People in glass houses!
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Throw ball on May 15, 2017, 12:32:00 AM
I would place £20 on down if they were 4/1
Armagh are pathetic at the back and a manager that is clueless
In 3 years they have went from division 2 to division 3 and hardly won a championship match
We are not great but we are better than the orange men
Down by 5

Armagh were in division 3 when McGeeney took over.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 15, 2017, 09:04:34 AM
Id say neither team care about who they would potentially play in the next round, this game will be huge for both teams.
Armagh by at least 2pts. Down will not win this game.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Imposerous on May 15, 2017, 10:31:22 AM
I would place £20 on down if they were 4/1
Armagh are pathetic at the back and a manager that is clueless
In 3 years they have went from division 2 to division 3 and hardly won a championship match
We are not great but we are better than the orange men
Down by 5

Arguments that could perhaps be levelled at both sides.

For posters of both counties: Who from the opposing squad would you have on your starting 15?  Be interesting to hear a Down man’s view.

From an Armagh perspective I’d struggle to accommodate anyone other than Mooney and J Johnston.  Poor as Armagh’s defence has been, I don’ know enough about the quality of Down’s backs and to say they are significantly better than Armagh’s. 

Def a winnable game for both teams.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
I would take
Morgan
Vernon
Clarke
Campbell
Grugan

After that I think they are pretty much of the same ability

Johnstone x2
Mooney
Gerard McGovern
D O Hagen

They would all walk into the Armagh team
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: onefaircounty on May 15, 2017, 11:13:51 AM
Cunningham

Morgan Vernon O'Hagan

Shields Donaghy Mooney

Rafferty McKernan

Ryan Johnston Kevin Dyas Rory Grugan

Jerome Johnston Stefan Campbell Jamie Clarke
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: DuffleKing on May 15, 2017, 11:25:04 AM

Murnin and Grugan are Armagh's most important forwards
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: naka on May 15, 2017, 11:37:10 AM
ethan rafferty played for his club yesterday which is a bonus for Armagh, hopefully he can at least make the bench.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: you take er! on May 15, 2017, 12:44:24 PM
At this level it can often be very little that can turn a team into real contenders. Armagh beat Donegal out the gate in 2010 in the championship (having done so in the league some weeks earlier) Donegal were said to be at a very low ebb - 12 months later the majority of those players were Ulster champions. 12 months further on they were All-Ireland winners. Armagh pre 1999 were unable to get by an aging Tyrone side and were hammered by Derry.  The point re Down in 1991 has also been made. My point is sometimes while teams appear to be struggling or at a low ebb it often doesn't need a lot to make them into a good team - 1 or 2 players added, a change or tweak of tactics, a different voice can all tip the balance so while both teams may not look to be pulling up trees I don't think it's necessarily as simple as saying a team is poor. I would hope (as would Down fans for their team) that Armagh, as McGeeney has said, are 'not that far away' whether or not Kieran is the man to get the mix right remains to be seen. Looking forward to June 4th though.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: AFS on May 16, 2017, 02:07:36 AM

Murnin and Grugan are Armagh's most important forwards

I'd be inclined to agree. Grugan has been Armagh's best player by a distance this year. Murnin is interesting. Although not as individually talented as a few others in there, his impact on the dynamic of the whole forward line is very obvious. If he's fit for this match I would expect Armagh to run up a high enough tally to get over the line.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: general_lee on May 16, 2017, 07:39:29 AM
Mooney? Seriously? Wouldn't have him on attitude alone. Overrated ability wise
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Orior on May 17, 2017, 12:41:17 PM
Where are we all meeting for pre-match beverages?
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: illdecide on May 18, 2017, 09:03:28 AM
Where are we all meeting for pre-match beverages?

Looks like you're on your own Orior ;D.

Can't believe i'm going to miss the game...only my 2nd championship game i've missed in a long time.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: bennydorano on May 18, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: BennyCake on May 18, 2017, 02:05:07 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.

Must be a Tyrone bishop involved there!
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 18, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.

Was wondering why I hadn't got your ticket order!!   ;D
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: illdecide on May 18, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
Fondo? (that's my excuse) didn't realise it was the same day until about 2 weeks ago and i'd already paid my £67
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: bennydorano on May 18, 2017, 02:41:41 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.

Was wondering why I hadn't got your ticket order!!   ;D
And our fella caught as Sponsor too. Not overly impressed.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 18, 2017, 02:52:31 PM
And our fella caught as Sponsor too. Not overly impressed.

LOL!! Think of the big pay day for the child!!   :P
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 18, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
This is the equivalent of a modern day Leeds V Derby Co game,a big fixture years ago,but both currently miles behind the top dogs.Sad to see.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2017, 07:44:54 PM
The winner of this could make the Ulster final as I think Cavan will beat Monaghan
We are division 2 use are division 3 Tony so don't tar us with that brush
Down are in a decent position where as Armagh are where they belong division 3
Can't see us getting beat especially with the game in Newry
Galway hammered Armagh by 13 points last week so things are not good
Down team I would like to see
Cunningham
Mcaleenan
G McGovern
D O Hagen
D O Hanlon
K McKernan
C McGovern
C Mooney
P Turley
R Johnstone
M Poland
C Maginn
J Johnston
D O Hare
B O Hagen
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 18, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
No joy for either side in winning this fixture,as neither has a chance against Cavan or Monaghan
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Targetman on May 18, 2017, 10:41:18 PM
I think the winners of this game could give Cavan or Monaghan a game of it, I think we all know neither team will be lifting any silverware this year but it's a local derby where the team that wants it more usually wins so it's evens your pick, Down by 2!!
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 18, 2017, 11:12:51 PM
Winners will not get within 6 points of Cavan,and if as I expect it's Monaghan another hammering,similar to the one Down got last year in Clones,is on the cards
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: naka on May 19, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
The winner of this could make the Ulster final as I think Cavan will beat Monaghan
We are division 2 use are division 3 Tony so don't tar us with that brush
Down are in a decent position where as Armagh are where they belong division 3
Can't see us getting beat especially with the game in Newry
Galway hammered Armagh by 13 points last week so things are not good
Down team I would like to see
Cunningham
Mcaleenan
G McGovern
D O Hagen
D O Hanlon
K McKernan
C McGovern
C Mooney
P Turley
R Johnstone
M Poland
C Maginn
J Johnston
D O Hare
B O Hagen
Galway beat Armagh by 13
Must have been at a different game 🤔

Down will undoubtedly win by around 10
Higher division and all that
In fact we are just glad to be on the same pitch with our illustrious neighbors
Hopefully you don't embarrass us and isn't it just
 great Tony has decided not to go as it's beneath him, hopefully Spurs playing that day a postseason friendly that day.

For me Armagh by 4/5 pulling up.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: armaghniac on May 19, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
For me Armagh by 4/5 pulling up.

Let's hope Armagh have learned not to pull up before the final whistle.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 20, 2017, 09:34:40 AM
For me Armagh by 4/5 pulling up.

Let's hope Armagh have learned not to pull up before the final whistle.

Neither side will win pulling up. It'll be a tight one either way.

Down by 3.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on May 21, 2017, 08:54:36 PM
I'm chartering a private jet to get over to it. OK, Easyjet then.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: tonto1888 on May 21, 2017, 10:29:29 PM
I'm chartering a private jet to get over to it. OK, Easyjet then.

As am I
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: T Fearon on May 21, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
I will  be there.At least we cant draw Laois in the first round of the qualifiers this year.I dont even know if I want Armagh to win this game and get a hammering in the semi finsl.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: regal on May 21, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
Well folks, I believe a few of the Armagh lads were playing for their clubs today. Hopefully no injuries to be reported. Were the down lads playing for their clubs today?

Did Ethan Rafferty get another game under his belt today?
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: regal on May 21, 2017, 11:05:53 PM
Christ Tony, get a bit of perspective. Armagh supporters have suffered many lows over the last 10 years and quite a few under geezer. We're rebuilding, we have loads of people working extremely hard , we have loads of talent coming through and a chance to watch them in newry in a fortnight. 
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: snoopdog on May 22, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
I wouldn't be putting any money on either team for this game. Armagh might be a div 3 team but Down are very lucky not to be a div 3 team after our league campaign. I would take a hiding in a Semi if it meant beating youse'uns .  :D
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: yellowcard on May 22, 2017, 11:42:48 AM
Well folks, I believe a few of the Armagh lads were playing for their clubs today. Hopefully no injuries to be reported. Were the down lads playing for their clubs today?

Did Ethan Rafferty get another game under his belt today?

Think Down called off their club games because the county team had a training weekend.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: PAULD123 on May 22, 2017, 12:47:36 PM
Two bad teams with little prospect of success.

But I disagree that it is two bad teams of bad players. Both teams have some very good players (Clarke is a great payer). If either team had their players working together and playing the ball fast and simple with concentration then not only could they win they would be a fair competitor in a semi against Monaghan.

Monaghan do not have a big roster of super stars. They have a set of really hard working lads, playing to a plan and working for each other. Apart from McManus and Kieran hughes their players are not hugely better than Down or Armaghs. They haven't exactly got All-stars coming out their butts. What is better is that they are far better organised, disciplined and focused.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 22, 2017, 12:58:21 PM
Are you wise in the head? Have you not been watching Monaghan's progress over the last 5 years and the very recent unearthing of a few gems in both attack and defence...due mainly to their u21 conveyor belt.
You completely underestimate Monaghan and their obvious threat as an outside shout for honours this year. They have the perfect blend of youth and experience as well as playing and comfortably competing in Div1 annually. Add in a very astute and clued-in manager in Malachy O'Rourke and you have an excellent side.
Name me the Down players who would make Monaghan starting 15...id make it maybe 4 at a push.

Down will not win this game against Armagh. The applemunchers by at least 3pts.
Title: Re: Down v Armagh. June 4th
Post by: onefaircounty on May 22, 2017, 01:22:05 PM
Two bad teams with little prospect of success.

 If either team had their players working together and playing the ball fast and simple with concentration then not only could they win they would be a fair competitor in a semi against Monaghan.



To be fair, that's exactly how Armagh played in the league. Inexperience (oh ok, refereeing decisions) cost them promotion, but going forward with pace hasn't been an issue.