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To be fair, I think coaches get too hard a time on this. Coaching isn't just about getting a guy fit and a player won't necessarily be playing in the same position or the team the same style of play so not having a player at training can be detrimental. Besides, a guy who is on 8 teams might only end up at less than 30% of some teams training sessions but still plays as he is a star player while another guy who might only have that team and is at every training session gets dropped when the star returns. One IC team in a year, no, ifs, buts or maybes. Two levels at club (U21 and senior for example) and one level at school. No dual players at IC level from minor up. Do that and we would go along way to solving the flogging of some players and we'd also go some way to keeping more lads involved for longer.

If a player is playing for his senior club & U-21,Senior county & U-21 and Sigerson cup team which includes championship and league how hard would it be for the five managers to sit down with each other and come up with a suitable training plan for that player?

Just when I thought Rooney couldn't become more of an embarrassment than he already is. Look at the great leaders we've had and now we're stuck with this simpleton.

Having a bit of craic on a made up wresting show with his son in attendance is an embarrassment?

Not sure how you think they were soft.They were well worked goals  and how do you know that Castlebar will not score similar goals against Corrofin.Always hate this type of analysis where if only we did not concede those 2 goals we would have won.

Never said Clann would have won.

First goal a quickly taken free where the Clann defence were caught napping. The 2nd goal Castlebar waltzed through unchallenged then Moran completely mis hit the ball and still managed to score. Corofin won't concede similar goals because one of the strengths of their team is in defence.

Castlebar very much a side that rely on goals and they got some very soft ones today.

Clan Na ngael very much a side that rely on frees and they got some very soft ones today.

Castlebar won't get soft goals like that against Corofin especially two in the opening 5 minutes.

Castlebar very much a side that rely on goals and they got some very soft ones today.

Was a bit flat at times.... Great goal though and the price on that young lad is getting bigger... In fairness though it was only West Brom... Beating the top three teams at home is the real test

Only West Brom won on their last two visit to Old Trafford.

I think oshea is an excellent player, he just struggled in the latter stages of the AI. Come to think of it though I can't think of too many full forwards that excelled this year.

Bernard Brogan, Conor Mc Manus, Michael Murphy................................................................................

first two are corner forwards and Murphy was seen more in his defence than full forward.

[Kilkenny]

McCaffrey winning the player of the year the only surprise, i would have him 3rd behind Brogan,McMahon.

Second behind Brogan maybe, McMahon got some ride on the hype train this August-September. If have Kilkenny ahead of him this year even on the Dublin team.

Its probably best to stick to the 3 nominations.

Why?

Because to win or finish 2nd Kilkenny needed to be nominated.

[Kilkenny]

McCaffrey winning the player of the year the only surprise, i would have him 3rd behind Brogan,McMahon.

Second behind Brogan maybe, McMahon got some ride on the hype train this August-September. If have Kilkenny ahead of him this year even on the Dublin team.

Its probably best to stick to the 3 nominations.

McCaffrey winning the player of the year the only surprise, i would have him 3rd behind Brogan,McMahon.

WTF, he brings Martial off? This man is an absolute clown, if Mourinho gets whacked United may as well give him a shot because he cant be any worse than LVG.

The substitution paid off. 4 games in a row without conceding a goal that is Mourinho like at his best and United under LVG are difficult to beat unlike Chelsea currently.

[probably their starting position to be negotiated back to any U21 player becoming ineligible once they have played a senior match.]

Yeah, I don't get when they'd abolish the football and not the hurling. I don't think they even want to abolish the football, probably their starting position to be negotiated back to any U21 player becoming ineligible once they have played a senior match.

That would only dilute the competition and you are as well to scrap it if the best players aren't allowed to play in it.

Yeah. It's only less daft because the optics of scraping underage IC over the age of 17 in the most popular sport in Ireland because the GAA has created a mangled calendar is so bad. Both ideas non-runners. Sigerson league needs to disappear into oblivion so the Sigerson can be played in Sept-Dec. And a bonus would there would be absolutely no reason for colleges to be in the IC January competitions because their season would already be over.

I would have to agree with Croi here. The problem is that the elite players are playing too much. I do not feel it would reduce the standard. In fact by making younger elite players have fewer commitments at that age group it should make them less prone to injury and may improve the standard at senior level in the long term. Other players who may not have fully developed may get a chance at under 21 and improve too.

I would suggest also that a rule could simply state that an under 21 player cannot play senior football in any year until the under 21 championship is over., or if he plays senior in that time he is ineligible for under 21.

I am not a great fan of the under 17 idea. Most championship matches in Ulster anyway take place when exams are over and any that go to university cannot play Sigerson in first year. A big gap.

You could have a situation where a U-21 is ineligible as he brought on in a senior game with 5 minutes to go and for the rest of the year he could be warming the senior bench. The same player if allowed to play for his U-21s could be the difference between his side winning or losing.

A decent chance that the 3 Galway clubs will win all the Connacht club titles this November.

I think until the Rooney situation is resolved (i.e. he is replaced by a decent striker) judgement must be reserved. The current period reminds me of just before Cantona was signed. United were boring, couldn't score, but were very solid at the back, conceding nothing. Cantona arrived and everything slipped into place. Luckily for Ferguson back then there was no transfer window and he was able to move for Eric in November. LVG will have to wait until January at the earliest. Not the greatest time to buy but they have to. Supposing Rooney was playing well - what would happen if he got injured for a time?

Wayne Rooney the scapegoat on here it seems. Before Eric Cantona arrived at United they won the Fa Cup 1990,Cup winners cup 91 and league cup,finished 2nd in the league 92. This United team will finished 4th at best this season and are unlikely to win a trophy.

I'd say fourth at the very least is secured

Fourth in the league,winning a cup would be the targets and both are achievable