Quote from: sid waddell on December 10, 2020, 04:55:08 PMThere you go. You label those who don't wish to conform to the way the fake hysteria busybodies do things, like the Millwall fans. Are we now going to do a kneel before every sporting event for the rest of time? Why aren't we kneeling in solidarity for the racial abuse McClean suffers. Like the poppies, this gesture is now being forced upon football before any game. It has lost its credibility.Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 10, 2020, 04:23:32 PMIf it was an empty gesture, there wouldn't be such opposition to it from racists, like at Millwall last weekendQuote from: BennyCake on December 10, 2020, 04:16:57 PMExactly my point. Selective double standards that is doing more harm than good.Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 10, 2020, 02:38:03 PMQuote from: sid waddell on December 10, 2020, 02:07:58 PMIt is absolutely false outrage, because if the roles were reversed, not an eyelid would be bat. It's similar to when James McClean gets his yearly dose, nothing is ever done about it, but when there is a black person involved people are out with their pitchforks to be seen to be being progressive and acting against discrimination when it is anything but. It's selective, and that in itself in detrimental to the whole issue surrounding stamping out racism etc.Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 10, 2020, 01:40:43 PMRather than dismissing it all as "false outrage" I think you'd be better placed to look at why black players are generally so on guard about potential racist incidents - it's because football has produced a litany of them and because the black players or staff themselves almost certainly have long experience of suffering from racial prejudiceQuote from: sid waddell on December 10, 2020, 12:53:16 PMQuote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 09, 2020, 02:31:55 PMI think it was almost certainly a misunderstanding involving clumsy and poorly chosen language exacerbated by a language barrier but at the same time I would not blame Demba Ba and assistant Pierre Webo for reacting the way they did, given that they both almost certainly have extensive lived experience of racismQuote from: Boycey on December 09, 2020, 02:27:19 PMI agree with you. It was a descriptive term to locate which player needed to be booked, amongst presumably a group of white players. Obviously the linesman shouldve used his name or number instead, but its not racism.
Not sure where to post but here will do.
The incident in last night's PSG game, racist or non racist? I'm going for non racist, a mis-interpretation... But I look forward to possibly being told I am a dinosaur...
And, if the roles were reversed and it was "the white guy" in a group of black players. It wouldnt be deemed to be racist. The double standards are shocking as well.
I think it probably highlights that it would be better if they were some sort of formalised language around player identification
That's not the lineman's fault though.
I don't think there is any need for that. As I said, the person should've been identified by his name, but if his name wasn't known, saying the black guy in a group of white people is not racism.
A manager came out in the wake of this incident and said he was referred to as the white guy when working in Africa. That wasn't (and isn't) deemed to be racist. It's all false outrage and double standards though when there is a black person involved.
I think it's quite understandable they reacted that way when they believed that a racist slur had been made
But I think the actual incident the other night was largely a misunderstanding
There is a problem with people on the internet jumping to conclusions and sticking to them at all costs which generally makes any sort of discussion around such incidents turn into a shitshow
You mentioned a formalised language regarding identification needing to be brought in, yet this is what the snowflake generation are already doing. "It's not a snowman it's a snowperson" and the BBC now not allowed to say that a black player has plenty of pace, this type of thing. That is when you know things are turning into a shitshow.
This has lead us to the point now where calling this coach a black man, even though he is a black man, is now "racist" and the linesman faces a 10 game ban, but fans being caught calling the likes of McClean all the Irish fenian c***ts of the day is par for the course.
You're right on the McClean thing. Nine years now, and nothing has ever been done about the abuse that he gets. The FA's silence has been deafening for 9 years. F**kin' disgusting.
Its why I have no time for this taking the knee bullshit in football. You can't call a black man a 'black man' but McClean is anything you want to call him. You can f**k right off.
Agree on taking the knee as well, it's an empty gesture at this stage and is being forced on teams now, like their poppies every year too. Both of which shouldn't be in or be part of football.