I suspect we won't see any more evictions in Co Roscommon.
"Security personnel" - bucks with Northern accents saying they're "British" >:(
There's a specialist security company up north who are called upon for any hostile work the banks, receivers, insolvency practitioners etc may need to engage in.
It is a former British army guy at the helm, so wouldn't be surprised if it is the same people.
Early risers in Roscommon.....charging around @ 5:30 a.m. on a Sunday morning too. With baseball bats, no less.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I suspect we won't see any more evictions in Co Roscommon.
"Security personnel" - bucks with Northern accents saying they're "British" >:(
Didn't work out too well for them.
They've been named before and I'm sure a quick trawl of Facebook will name them again.
Whats the back story to this thing in Roscommon? I know our sympathies lie with the homeowners but only a couple of weeks ago similiar happened a few miles from me with the same guys. There was Facebook videos and distressed women shouting but when I found out a couple of days later who's house and why it was been taken I was less sympathetic.
Disclaimer - no idea if thats the case here
Quote from: Rois on December 16, 2018, 05:28:22 PM
There's a specialist security company up north who are called upon for any hostile work the banks, receivers, insolvency practitioners etc may need to engage in.
It is a former British army guy at the helm, so wouldn't be surprised if it is the same people.
What is 'specialist' about going mob handed to throw couple of old people out of their house?
They soon scarperred when confronted by a larger mob fair play to the locals. Hope that crowd are on their way back to whatever loyalist part of the north they came from.
They weren't a bunch of surplus fleg protestors, supplied by wee Seamy Bryson, by any chance?
Didn't know baseball was so popular in Roscommon!
Even more popular than gaelic 'handpass' football, I hear.
Everyone hates a Gripper, especially a dirty shower of loyalist thug grippers.
Fair dues to those involved. Whilst not condoning violence this should heighten the awareness of the scumbags hired by KBC to evict irish citizens...and of the complicit support of the state in facilitating the closure of public roads last Tuesday to evict decent county families....
Shame on the senior Garda who agreed to it.
And back to ballymoney to those enforcer thugs
Quote from: Rois on December 16, 2018, 05:28:22 PM
There's a specialist security company up north who are called upon for any hostile work the banks, receivers, insolvency practitioners etc may need to engage in.
It is a former British army guy at the helm, so wouldn't be surprised if it is the same people.
Were the bank not already in possession of the house and had security protecting it? Who hired the baseball bat gang?
The 5.30am visit weren't lads for hire...
Concerned citizens
That KBC Bank should be boycotted from now on.
Did the stupid c***ts think anyone would buy or rent the place afterwards?
good enough for the scum
Quote from: Orchard park on December 16, 2018, 07:32:40 PM
The 5.30am visit weren't lads for hire...
Concerned citizens
Concerned citizens - with excellent alarm clocks.
I guess Roscommon isn't a great hurling county but wouldn't hurleys be a more appropriate companion.
Quote from: clarshack on December 16, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
good enough for the scum
Correct, would go myself to batter them
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 16, 2018, 07:43:33 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 16, 2018, 07:32:40 PM
The 5.30am visit weren't lads for hire...
Concerned citizens
Concerned citizens - with excellent alarm clocks.
Giving the scum the chance to hit home before daylight
Quote from: Main Street on December 16, 2018, 07:45:42 PM
I guess Roscommon isn't a great hurling county but wouldn't hurleys be a more appropriate companion.
Using hurley sticks would identify them ;)
Wouldnt be locals if they had hurleys......
Should there be no consequences for not paying your debt?
Everyone who has a mortgage knows that if you stop paying, the house is at risk.
I have no idea what the facts are in this case, but banks don't go in after a couple of missed repayments, and they generally try all they can to come up with revised payment plans where circumstances of the borrower changes. Repossession is last resort.
Quote from: Hound on December 17, 2018, 07:37:19 AM
Should there be no consequences for not paying your debt?
Everyone who has a mortgage knows that if you stop paying, the house is at risk.
I have no idea what the facts are in this case, but banks don't go in after a couple of missed repayments, and they generally try all they can to come up with revised payment plans where circumstances of the borrower changes. Repossession is last resort.
I think it was more a case of how the Ballymoney based enforcers evicted the elderly property owners which drew the ire so some early rising locals.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 16, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Didn't know baseball was so popular in Roscommon!
No chance of hurls that far north
Quote from: Hound on December 17, 2018, 07:37:19 AM
Should there be no consequences for not paying your debt?
Everyone who has a mortgage knows that if you stop paying, the house is at risk.
I have no idea what the facts are in this case, but banks don't go in after a couple of missed repayments, and they generally try all they can to come up with revised payment plans where circumstances of the borrower changes. Repossession is last resort.
I don't think sending ex UDR/UVF men is the best option when carrying out an eviction. The people evicted had financial difficulties for some time by all accounts, but hiring a brigade of loyalists to secure the property was not the best idea. Not only did they revert to type and batter someone with little or no provocation, they ended up getting their asses handed to them as a result and all sympathy will be with the former homeowners when in reality they haven't been paying what they owe.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 16, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
Fair dues to those involved. Whilst not condoning violence this should heighten the awareness of the scumbags hired by KBC to evict irish citizens...and of the complicit support of the state in facilitating the closure of public roads last Tuesday to evict decent county families....
Shame on the senior Garda who agreed to it.
And back to ballymoney to those enforcer thugs
The problem is the economic system is like the landlord system. Asset bubbles blow up
prices and when they collapse debt wants its money back. Politically this doesn't really work given economic history
Neoliberalism does not work in Strokestown or anywhere else
2 of those evicted owe nothing to nobody if I recognise the correct house from footage last night.....
Quote from: Hound on December 17, 2018, 07:37:19 AM
Should there be no consequences for not paying your debt?
Everyone who has a mortgage knows that if you stop paying, the house is at risk.
I have no idea what the facts are in this case, but banks don't go in after a couple of missed repayments, and they generally try all they can to come up with revised payment plans where circumstances of the borrower changes. Repossession is last resort.
Alot of mortgages getting sold of to Vulture funds who by their nature have little sympathy or ambition of helping anyone
The farmer at the centre of the eviction is not suspected of any wrongdoing in relation to the violent incident at his former home.
He has financial difficulties which stretch back almost a decade and include a more than €400,000 settlement secured by the Revenue Commissioners against him in 2015 for the under-declaration of VAT.
Land Registry records for the Falsk property also show that more than €18,000 was secured in a judgment in December 2008, which was subsequently registered against his property. That judgment was obtained by a local company which operated a quarry at the time.
In 2015, Revenue secured a settlement totalling €429,501 against the evicted man as a tax defaulter for the under declaration of VAT. It included €177,000 in tax owed, almost €75,000 in interest, and more than €177,000 in penalties.
In January this year, a judgment mortgage was secured against the man in the Midland Circuit Court by Cabot Asset Purchases (Ireland).
In 2004, the farmer had secured a mortgage from IIB Homeloans, the Belgian-owned lender that rebranded as KBC in 2009. In 2017, it emerged KBC Bank Ireland sold a chunk of loans to credit-servicing and debt-collection firm Cabot Financial Ireland, a unit of the US-based Cabot group.
Any word from Jerry Beades?
https://www.facebook.com/641771879263768/posts/1908226565951620/
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2018, 08:39:47 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 16, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
Fair dues to those involved. Whilst not condoning violence this should heighten the awareness of the scumbags hired by KBC to evict irish citizens...and of the complicit support of the state in facilitating the closure of public roads last Tuesday to evict decent county families....
Shame on the senior Garda who agreed to it.
And back to ballymoney to those enforcer thugs
The problem is the economic system is like the landlord system. Asset bubbles blow up
prices and when they collapse debt wants its money back. Politically this doesn't really work given economic history
Neoliberalism does not work in Strokestown or anywhere else
In America and most other neo-liberal countries, you'd be booted out of your house within months of going into arrears.
In Ireland people can stay in a property several years in a property without making repayments and the cost is absorbed by those making repayments.
A possible unexpected consequence of Fianna Fail demanding that banks reduce variable interest rates to be in line with European averages would be the speeding up of repossessions.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 17, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2018, 08:39:47 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 16, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
Fair dues to those involved. Whilst not condoning violence this should heighten the awareness of the scumbags hired by KBC to evict irish citizens...and of the complicit support of the state in facilitating the closure of public roads last Tuesday to evict decent county families....
Shame on the senior Garda who agreed to it.
And back to ballymoney to those enforcer thugs
The problem is the economic system is like the landlord system. Asset bubbles blow up
prices and when they collapse debt wants its money back. Politically this doesn't really work given economic history
Neoliberalism does not work in Strokestown or anywhere else
In America and most other neo-liberal countries, you'd be booted out of your house within months of going into arrears.
In Ireland people can stay in a property several years in a property without making repayments and the cost is absorbed by those making repayments.
A possible unexpected consequence of Fianna Fail demanding that banks reduce variable interest rates to be in line with European averages would be the speeding up of repossessions.
Yank mortgages are often recourse.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/nonrecourse-loan-vs-recourse-loan.asp
Irish mortgages are not because of history
Asset bubbles always crash so in Ireland this sort of intractable shite is guaranteed.
Irish culture is not designed for the fallout from property bubbles.
The truth about the "bailouts" is that the true cost of bank losses was higher than what the sovereign paid. Next time will be even worse.
These being loyalist security men has really muddied the waters here.
It's being played out as three elderly people being evicted from their family home, they owed €400k to revenue from a settlement in 2009 for under paying VAT, that's 10 years ago. It's virtually impossible to evict someone in Ireland, these people have just ignored their responsibilities. It's ordinary tax payers who end up footing bills like this! The bank had a court order for the repossession, the tenants were aware of this. You owe money, you pay it back or you lose the asset that's security.
A massive faux pais by KBC though with their choice of security company, although it's probably hard to get people to do this kinda work.
The people who came and did this have achieved nothing, the house remains repossessed and they are wanted for assault etc.
It stinks of SF/IRA scumbags
I'd somewhat agree with the post above. In north and south it takes years, literally years to repossess a property like this. The owners would have been given every opportunity to repay before this happened.
You borrow money and don't pay it back then what do they expect.
Only criticism would be in the way the repossession was handled by the northern security firm. It's obvious difficult to get people to do this kind of work, certainly not locals and so it inevitably falls to 'outsiders' to do the dirty work. If anyone knows anything about these types of firms in the north then you wouldn't be too surprised that may have some ex-paramilitary or police/army on their books, depending on which side of the fence they come from.
Don't see why so many are so quick to laud a lawless vigilante group and condone their actions which have no place in any society.
And I bet those guards that sat and watched civilians getting battered were fellow blue shirt voting west Brits from mayo...
What's the difference between these people in Roscommon and the O'Donnells of Vico Road?
Revenue has nothing to do with this. A muddying of ythe waters by you. 2 of the evicted neither own nor owe anything and were thrown out of the only home they know in their 60s by hired criminals whose eligibility to work as security in thus state is at best questionable...
This was Cabot as I understand it who bought the debt from BBC and refused to negotiate since they secured their court order....
Meanwhile Garda closed local roads to facilitate the eviction and observed s retired colleague getting hammered
No noticeverrved on of by Ros co co 're those closure of those roads
Quote from: sid waddell on December 17, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
What's the difference between these people in Roscommon and the O'Donnells of Vico Road?
About s billion euro
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 17, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
What's the difference between these people in Roscommon and the O'Donnells of Vico Road?
About s billion euro
Really?
Haven't the Roscommon crowd just done exactly the same thing as the O'Donnells?
You hear such bullshit over the issue of "evictions" in Ireland.
Eejits invoking comparisons to what happened in the 1880s when there is no comparison whatsoever in terms of circumstances.
These people are actually playing the system. They literally expect to pay nothing.
Yet you can bet your bottom dollar that many of the same gobshites who vilify genuinely homeless people support people like these and the O'Donnells who actually give a two fingers to the system, and give a two fingers to everybody else.
Actual freeloaders.
f**k them.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Revenue has nothing to do with this. A muddying of ythe waters by you. 2 of the evicted neither own nor owe anything and were thrown out of the only home they know in their 60s by hired criminals whose eligibility to work as security in thus state is at best questionable...
This was Cabot as I understand it who bought the debt from BBC and refused to negotiate since they secured their court order....
Meanwhile Garda closed local roads to facilitate the eviction and observed s retired colleague getting hammered
No noticeverrved on of by Ros co co 're those closure of those roads
Gardai closed local roads to see the law of the land being enforced, there was a court order and this was it being carried out. From the videos it looked very heavy handed, that's a separate matter.
Your point about the two tenants who didn't own the house is nonsense. The man who owned the house had it repossessed. By your logic I can borrow/owe whatever I like, not repay it and just because my wife and kids live there it can't be repossessed? Or just move in any random person and tell the courts it can't be repossessed because someone is living there?
You owe money, you can repay it or not but there's consequences. This money is owed for
10 years, they'll have had the chance to repay it
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Revenue has nothing to do with this. A muddying of ythe waters by you. 2 of the evicted neither own nor owe anything and were thrown out of the only home they know in their 60s by hired criminals whose eligibility to work as security in thus state is at best questionable...
This was Cabot as I understand it who bought the debt from BBC and refused to negotiate since they secured their court order....
Meanwhile Garda closed local roads to facilitate the eviction and observed s retired colleague getting hammered
No noticeverrved on of by Ros co co 're those closure of those roads
Gardai closed local roads to see the law of the land being enforced, there was a court order and this was it being carried out. From the videos it looked very heavy handed, that's a separate matter.
Your point about the two tenants who didn't own the house is nonsense. The man who owned the house had it repossessed. By your logic I can borrow/owe whatever I like, not repay it and just because my wife and kids live there it can't be repossessed? Or just move in any random person and tell the courts it can't be repossessed because someone is living there?
You owe money, you can repay it or not but there's consequences. This money is owed for
10 years, they'll have had the chance to repay it
Agree with this. I do not know the ins and outs of this specific case in terms of the money owed but if you borrow money and cant make the repayments then any security you put up is liable to be called in. Nobody forces people to sign these agreements, bottom line is if you meet your end of the contract (i.e. make payments when you said you will) there is nothing the banks can do. Obviously people's circumstances can change through no fault of their own but why should the party that kept their end of the bargain be the one to suffer loss?
That being said, the nature of the way the "security" company enforced the security in this case seems way over the top (and borderline criminal) so in general I have no issue with thugs like that getting a taste of their own medicine. But this is separate from whether the repossession should have taken place at all.
Are there any videos of the 'security personnel' getting a good f**king kicking? Asking for a friend.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/roscommon-eviction-varadkar-concerned-at-violent-vigilante-attack-1.3733986
Roscommon eviction: Varadkar concerned at 'violent vigilante attack'
Three men working for private security firm hospitalised after melee at repossessed house
Dozens of masked men confronted security guards occupying a repossessed home outside Strokestown, Co Roscommon early on Sunday.
During the incident three security guards were seriously injured, four vehicles were set alight and a dog was subsequently put down when masked raiders targeted them at the house on Sunday morning.
Mr Varadkar said the "use of violence" should be condemned "unreservedly".m
"I don't think anybody likes to see somebody being evicted or losing their property, especially in the run up to Christmas.
"But if it was done on the basis of a court order I can only assume the judge heard all sides of the story and made the decision that he did," Mr Varadkar said.
"Leaving aside the reasons for the eviction I think all of us have to condemn unreservedly the use of violence. In this instance, individuals being injured, an animal was killed, property destroyed. It would seem that it was very highly organised, highly violent vigilante attack. Gardaí will interview the eight security guards at the centre of the incident on Monday.
Gardaí have closed the area around the house and are now treating it as a crime scene. Photograph: Brian Farrell. Gardaí have closed the area around the house and are now treating it as a crime scene. Photograph: Brian Farrell.
Cordoned off
The area around the house has been cordoned off by gardaí and is being as a crime scene. No arrests have been made.
Related TD calls for calm after eight security guards injured in eviction house attack
Fitzmaurice says he did not incite Roscommon violence
Online footage of the eviction of two brothers and a sister from their home near Strokestown last Tuesday showed security men dressed in black, forcibly removing the family from the house. Those evicted are aged in their 50s and 60s.
The eviction has sparked an angry response with many people objecting to the involvement of a private security firm, apparently from Northern Ireland.
One of the security staff who is told on the video that he should be ashamed as an Irish man can be heard replying that he is British. The private firm had been occupying the house since the eviction.
In the early hours of Sunday morning, dozens of men arrived at the farmhouse and in the ensuing melee the security men were injured, and vehicles set alight.
Three of the security staff were hospitalised. A vet was later called to the scene to put down an injured dog.
Gardaí said they were investigating criminal damage and assault.
Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan said on Monday the rules governing private security firms that enforce evictions will be examined after eight security staff occupying a repossessed house in Co Roscommon were injured during an attack by dozens of men.
Mr Flanagan also condemned the violence in Co Roscommon and said property disputes and evictions should be resolved according to the law.
He said there was a legal anomaly whereby private security firms involved in evictions are not regulated by the Private Security Authority (PSA) so the obligation to display identification does not arise.
The Minister said his officials had been examining regulations in the area and an interdepartmental group had been convened and was due to report to him in January.
Fianna Fáil's justice spokesperson Jim O'Callaghan he was concerned at the level of violence during the incident and said the lender involved had not handled the situation well, describing the eviction as "a heavy handed".
Roscommon Independent TD Michael Fitzmaurice said people had been infuriated at the sight of the family "being thrown out of the house where they have lived all their lives".
Mr Fitzmaurice said the Government needed to ensure there was mediation for people who found themselves in such situations.
"Nobody wants to see violence and I have always been a believer in peaceful protests," he added.
Fianna Fáil TD Eugene Murphy, who knows the family at the centre of the eviction row, appealed for calm.
The deputy who is based in Strokestown said he planned to contact the bank involved in the case to see if anything could be done to ease tensions.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
These being loyalist security men has really muddied the waters here.
It's being played out as three elderly people being evicted from their family home, they owed €400k to revenue from a settlement in 2009 for under paying VAT, that's 10 years ago. It's virtually impossible to evict someone in Ireland, these people have just ignored their responsibilities. It's ordinary tax payers who end up footing bills like this! The bank had a court order for the repossession, the tenants were aware of this. You owe money, you pay it back or you lose the asset that's security.
A massive faux pais by KBC though with their choice of security company, although it's probably hard to get people to do this kinda work.
The people who came and did this have achieved nothing, the house remains repossessed and they are wanted for assault etc.
It stinks of SF/IRA scumbags
FG voters done it I was told.
These are always tricky cases of head versus heart.
From watching the video of the poor oul fellas getting dragged about the instant reaction is to call the repossessors a shar of c***ts and they probably are to be honest, and the cops tramps for letting private citizens (or not in this case) man handle other people. People are losing their homes this is always going to be emotive, its something so dear to them especially in a case like this of it being a generational homestead where I'm sure is a small place like that, the area or townland itself will be synoymous with the family.
The coldness of the head tells you though that what could be expected if money was owned and the house was collateral, if you don't pay what you owe what you have will be taken off you.
I'd like to just call the security firm a shar of c***ts and theres no tears for what happened them but was there any other likely outcome, it'd been on going for 10 years.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I suspect we won't see any more evictions in Co Roscommon.
"Security personnel" - bucks with Northern accents saying they're "British" >:(
Brollygate Part 2
Don't mess with the Rossies
Div 1 teams better watch out next year when at a given time in the game, the Rossies rally round the cry of "Remember Strokestown!"
Reports 2 of the family back in the house?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
Reports 2 of the family back in the house?
Hopefully they get fucked out again.
Frauds and freeloaders.
Your man is an absolute gangster from the looks of it. Holder of five properties in the land registry, all with orders against them.
I wonder how many of the good folk out to see this poor, hard done by soul felt the same about Brian O'Donnell and his Killiney mansion.
Can I stop paying my mortgage now too??
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 17, 2018, 06:12:45 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
These being loyalist security men has really muddied the waters here.
It's being played out as three elderly people being evicted from their family home, they owed €400k to revenue from a settlement in 2009 for under paying VAT, that's 10 years ago. It's virtually impossible to evict someone in Ireland, these people have just ignored their responsibilities. It's ordinary tax payers who end up footing bills like this! The bank had a court order for the repossession, the tenants were aware of this. You owe money, you pay it back or you lose the asset that's security.
A massive faux pais by KBC though with their choice of security company, although it's probably hard to get people to do this kinda work.
The people who came and did this have achieved nothing, the house remains repossessed and they are wanted for assault etc.
It stinks of SF/IRA scumbags
I'd be more inclined to think this is the work of a bunch of "Freemen of the land" or FOTL, or at least the Irish homegrown version compared to other FOTL that exist in other (mainly white) English speaking countries. Most of these will claim they're not FOTL, but they behave with all the hallmarks of FOTL groups overseas. The fact it's about a farm repossession, the application of violence and the donning of yellow fluorescent bibs/jackets gives some very strong hints.
That thug Ben Gilroy is at the centre of all this. An absolute fraud and a disgrace of a man, the type who should be locked up.
This Yellow Vest thing is a trojan horse for far right thugs.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 17, 2018, 06:20:55 PM
Can I stop paying my mortgage now too??
Aye, I bought a fancy TV a few weeks ago that I don't feel like paying for either.
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
Reports 2 of the family back in the house?
They will legally win the case. Free educational meetings every Tuesday night in Elphin, Roscommon and Monday nights in Litterkenny, Donegal. Also meetings in Wexford and Dublin. People from all over Ireland attend those meetings. A conscience shift and a real eye opener for the majority.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
I suspect they are long past that stage by now.
Clanger from the bank hiring them terrorists though!
Quote from: Seamus on December 17, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
Reports 2 of the family back in the house?
They will legally win the case. Free educational meetings every Tuesday night in Elphin, Roscommon and Monday nights in Litterkenny, Donegal. Also meetings in Wexford and Dublin. People from all over Ireland attend those meetings. A conscience shift and a real eye opener for the majority.
Yeah, just like the O'Donnells won.
Oh wait.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
"going back live to Strokestown" is the most popular line on rte today.
It's called Strokestown for a reason.
This is the sort of mentality that these "protests" (since when is setting fire to cars and wielding baseball bats a "protest"?) are promoting.
Gombeens of the worst order.
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There has yet to be the slightest evidence demonstrated that the security firm involved were loyalist paramilitaries.
Your man is an absolute lowlife gangster. Bleeding the state dry for years. Slap it up him.
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Well, there is the odd wishy washy liberal one. The rest piss on chapels, kick the Pope & kill taigs, given the opportunity.
Well it's clearly not unlicensed, the security firm will have the relevant EU (Brexit hasn't happened yet) licensing. Bailiffs are legally allowed in Ireland but sure why let the truth get in the way
They're dressing this lad up as a farmer, he might have land but he's no farmer, he's a developer who got caught out, decided to not pay his VAT or his quarry bill and hasn't paid them since
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2018, 07:06:41 PM
There has yet to be the slightest evidence demonstrated that the security firm involved were loyalist paramilitaries.
Your man is an absolute lowlife gangster. Bleeding the state dry for years. Slap it up him.
If this is the firm I think it is, it is certainly not the first time they have operated south of the border. Given the gardai involvement, wouldn't it be safe to say they were not acting illegally?
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 17, 2018, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Well, there is the odd wishy washy liberal one. The rest piss on chapels, kick the Pope & kill taigs, given the opportunity.
I would imagine your bigotry extends to them too.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 07:14:39 PM
Well it's clearly not unlicensed, the security firm will have the relevant EU (Brexit hasn't happened yet) licensing. Bailiffs are legally allowed in Ireland but sure why let the truth get in the way
They're dressing this lad up as a farmer, he might have land but he's no farmer, he's a developer who got caught out, decided to not pay his VAT or his quarry bill and hasn't paid them since
You confident of that assertion ????
Tell us what Anthony developed then
Quote from: Rois on December 17, 2018, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2018, 07:06:41 PM
There has yet to be the slightest evidence demonstrated that the security firm involved were loyalist paramilitaries.
Your man is an absolute lowlife gangster. Bleeding the state dry for years. Slap it up him.
If this is the firm I think it is, it is certainly not the first time they have operated south of the border. Given the gardai involvement, wouldn't it be safe to say they were not acting illegally?
It is Aidan Devljns highway men alright
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Where did I say every Protestant in the North supports or has connections with paramilitaries?
If these thugs were licensed wouldn't they have had IDs and badge numbers?
Quote from: sid waddell on December 17, 2018, 07:03:05 PM
It's called Strokestown for a reason.
This is the sort of mentality that these "protests" (since when is setting fire to cars and wielding baseball bats a "protest"?) are promoting.
Gombeens of the worst order.
(http://bocktherobber.com.cdn.ie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/monaghan-macarena.gif)
There was a protest march in Castlerea (another town in Roscommon) over the weekend. Some think that protest was connected to the Strokestown evictions but apparently it was to do with Garda beating up two innocent and well respected local men that the Garda thought was involved in a robbery.
Jesus Facebook can fair whip up a mob mentality. Reminds of the short lived paedo hunter phase.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Where did I say every Protestant in the North supports or has connections with paramilitaries?
If these thugs were licensed wouldn't they have had IDs and badge numbers?
You're asking questions you don't even know the answer to. You have know idea of the rules and regulations governing these businesses, so why are you continuing to blather on here as if you do?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 17, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 17, 2018, 07:03:05 PM
It's called Strokestown for a reason.
This is the sort of mentality that these "protests" (since when is setting fire to cars and wielding baseball bats a "protest"?) are promoting.
Gombeens of the worst order.
(http://bocktherobber.com.cdn.ie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/monaghan-macarena.gif)
There was a protest march in Castlerea (another town in Roscommon) over the weekend. Some think that protest was connected to the Strokestown evictions but apparently it was to do with Garda beating up two innocent and well respected local men that the Garda thought was involved in a robbery.
Nothing to do with the KBC mob
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2018, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Where did I say every Protestant in the North supports or has connections with paramilitaries?
If these thugs were licensed wouldn't they have had IDs and badge numbers?
You're asking questions you don't even know the answer to. You have know idea of the rules and regulations governing these businesses, so why are you continuing to blather on here as if you do?
And you do know gallsman do you. ????
Isn't this this same security firm of thugs who tried to evict the "squatters" in Grangegorman Dublin, where they attacked the occupiers with iron bars etc with the Gardai looking on. Then they erected a security fence with such haste that they managed to lock themselves inside and couldn't get out.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2018, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Where did I say every Protestant in the North supports or has connections with paramilitaries?
If these thugs were licensed wouldn't they have had IDs and badge numbers?
You're asking questions you don't even know the answer to. You have know idea of the rules and regulations governing these businesses, so why are you continuing to blather on here as if you do?
And you do know gallsman do you. ????
I don't, no, but then again I'm not running around making pronouncements about the status of this security firm, am I? He called them illegal and unlicensed without having the slightest clue of whether they are either, a point he somewhat idiotically confirmed with his follow up post.
Not that any of that idiocy was unexpected, of course.
You'd be as welcome around these parts as Aidan effin Devkin is now to be honest.....
A rough cold night but s savage crowd of friends and supporters surrounding the house I believe
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of court
Gardai cannot enforce a civil matter
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 07:59:32 PM
You'd be as welcome around these parts as Aidan effin Devkin is now to be honest.....
A rough cold night but s savage crowd of friends and supporters surrounding the house I believe
I couldn't give a flying f**k where I'm welcome. I live in my home that I pay for and don't feel as if I'm above the law, so I can't imagine there'll be too many security firms looking to cause me any trouble.
All the hard lads trying to swing a political angle into it. Drive the Brits out etc. Rossfan up there with all his experience growing up under her majesty's boot etc.
For what died the sons of Roisin indeed? So absolute gobshites could rip their fine free country off to their hearts' content and so that other, bigger, gobshites could come along and not only defend their right to do so, but try and paint it as some little man striking a blow against perfidious Albion. Absolutely f**king laughable.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
It stinks of SF/IRA scumbags
The 1980's DUP called. They want their catchphrase back.
F**kin blueshirt clown.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 07:59:32 PM
You'd be as welcome around these parts as Aidan effin Devkin is now to be honest.....
A rough cold night but s savage crowd of friends and supporters surrounding the house I believe
It's a real mess because the boys from the north were in enemy territory and this was because nobody local would do it.
Farm evictions are on the border between finance and politics at the best of times .
The bailout in 2010 or whenever should have included debt forgiveness and could have if it had been funded by debt to equity swaps. But debt got 100 cents on the Euro and the Government took one for the team
I bet there was an element of local people having had enough as well . Ros gets nothing from the economic system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMVMbmQBug
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 07:19:00 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 17, 2018, 07:12:47 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 17, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Doesn't matter what he is -no institution should be using unlicensed illegal thugs to enforce a Court Order.
Whatever happened to going to the front door with a couple of Gardai and demanding possession.
If not complied with wouldn't you then apply to have them jailed for contempt of Court?
Introducing illegal unlicensed thugs opened the door for retaliation.
So it's Ros 1 UDRUVFUDA 0.
A variation on your normal DUPUDA nonsense I see. You do know that not every Protestant in NI supports or has connections to Loyalist paramilitaries?
Well, there is the odd wishy washy liberal one. The rest piss on chapels, kick the Pope & kill taigs, given the opportunity.
I would imagine your bigotry extends to them too.
I see that 'irony' is not in vogue here.
Quote from: Snapchap on December 17, 2018, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
It stinks of SF/IRA scumbags
The 1980's DUP called. They want their catchphrase back.
F**kin blueshirt clown.
Excellent comeback
I'll rephrase it so, it stinks of paramilitary style, vigilante scumbags
So is their three camps on this thread?
1 camp that says they should be evicted??
Another camp that says they shouldn't be evicted and the people should defend them?
And a third camp saying that the IRA (who have disbanded) are orchestrating this to incite hatred of the devilish Brits in Roscommon?
4 Gallsman who seems to have got out the wrong side of the bed this morning.
"Security" people operating in the 26 Cos are required to be licensed.
I think it's a fair bet the self declared "British" thugs who threw their weight around last Tuesday aren't so licensed.
5)
Mayo4sam who thinks Anthony McCann is a developer....
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
5)
Mayo4sam who thinks Anthony McCann is a developer....
Not many farmers around Mayo with five properties, maybe I'm doing it wrong
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
5)
Mayo4sam who thinks Anthony McCann is a developer....
Not many farmers around Mayo with five properties, maybe I'm doing it wrong
Running five properties?
As somebody from Mayo almost once said, you wanna try it sometime and see how you get on!
How many acres in total in these "5 properties"?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 10:01:02 PM
4 Gallsman who seems to have got out the wrong side of the bed this morning.
"Security" people operating in the 26 Cos are required to be licensed.
I think it's a fair bet the self declared "British" thugs who threw their weight around last Tuesday aren't so licensed.
Can't imagine that they're not licensed in some capacity?
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 17, 2018, 10:24:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 10:01:02 PM
4 Gallsman who seems to have got out the wrong side of the bed this morning.
"Security" people operating in the 26 Cos are required to be licensed.
I think it's a fair bet the self declared "British" thugs who threw their weight around last Tuesday aren't so licensed.
Can't imagine that they're not licensed in some capacity?
Debt collection is not regulated in Ireland... Unless acting on behalf of a lender regulated by the Central Bank in which case I don't think this applied??
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/personal_finance/debt/debt_collection.html
Quote from: screenexile on December 17, 2018, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 17, 2018, 10:24:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 17, 2018, 10:01:02 PM
4 Gallsman who seems to have got out the wrong side of the bed this morning.
"Security" people operating in the 26 Cos are required to be licensed.
I think it's a fair bet the self declared "British" thugs who threw their weight around last Tuesday aren't so licensed.
Can't imagine that they're not licensed in some capacity?
Debt collection is not regulated in Ireland... Unless acting on behalf of a lender regulated by the Central Bank in which case I don't think this applied??
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/personal_finance/debt/debt_collection.html
This is not debt collection. This is private security and I 'm sure the organisation hired by the bank is fully licenced, whatever about the individuals involved.
https://www.psa.gov.ie/en/PSA/Pages/about_us
Yeah, I mean I reckon it's much more likely that the multi billion dollar bank asked some of their contacts could they give Jackie McDonald a ring and asked him to send a few of his mates down to take care of a farmer and his family in Roscommon. I mean, in that highly professional video, the lads weren't even wearing badges which, as Rossfan reminded us, is surely a condition of being licensed (even though he has no idea of the conditions).
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
5)
Mayo4sam who thinks Anthony McCann is a developer....
Not many farmers around Mayo with five properties, maybe I'm doing it wrong
5 folios.....
There might not be an acre in each of the.
But trust me the mcganns aren't developers.... farmers in debt yes
Trinity asset management, Aidan Devlin organised the occupiers
I read on Twitter the "security company" are back again.
Supposedly alright.... won't be pretty if they are.
The ERU won't save their bacon if thick enough to engage again
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
Supposedly alright.... won't be pretty if they are.
The ERU won't save their bacon if thick enough to engage again
Is there not a law in Connacht that you can shoot intruders?
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
Supposedly alright.... won't be pretty if they are.
The ERU won't save their bacon if thick enough to engage again
But sure lads, the boys are all in the UDA. They'll make sure to come down tooled up with all those South African guns they still have. It's only a few OAPs and some concerned locals they'll be facing. Not a bother to them.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
Supposedly alright.... won't be pretty if they are.
The ERU won't save their bacon if thick enough to engage again
Presumably they only get paid their 30 pieces of silver when they take and keep possession of someone's property.
then we have the usual shite from the indo linking the vigilantes to 'dissendent republicans'.
Quote from: Snapchap on December 17, 2018, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 01:46:22 PM
It stinks of SF/IRA scumbags
The 1980's DUP called. They want their catchphrase back.
F**kin blueshirt clown.
Ditto.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
5)
Mayo4sam who thinks Anthony McCann is a developer....
Not many farmers around Mayo with five properties, maybe I'm doing it wrong
5 folios.....
There might not be an acre in each of the.
But trust me the mcganns aren't developers.... farmers in debt yes
Crooks who refuse to pay their debts, I think you mean.
It's like the hard Brexiteer ideology come to life in Roscommon.
Be interesting to see how many resources the Guards throw at the investigation.
The vigilante's phones would have pinged off the nearest mast at 5am on Sunday morning. And there's bound to be a CCTV camera in Tulsk and Strokestown, say at the local credit union.
But that takes time & money to investigate and there's been many cutbacks in rural policing.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 18, 2018, 12:40:52 AM
Be interesting to see how many resources the Guards throw at the investigation.
The vigilante's phones would have pinged off the nearest mast at 5am on Sunday morning. And there's bound to be a CCTV camera in Tulsk and Strokestown, say at the local credit union.
But that takes time & money to investigate and there's been many cutbacks in rural policing.
You've been watching far too much CSI.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 17, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
5)
Mayo4sam who thinks Anthony McCann is a developer....
Not many farmers around Mayo with five properties, maybe I'm doing it wrong
5 folios.....
There might not be an acre in each of the.
But trust me the mcganns aren't developers.... farmers in debt yes
Fair enough, you claim they're farmers. Can you explain what they were invoicing to rise VAT of at least €177k? Unless you're a registered company, which it makes no reference to, a farmer would have no need to be registered for VAT, it would make no sense financially
Quote from: Syferus on December 18, 2018, 02:13:35 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 18, 2018, 12:40:52 AM
Be interesting to see how many resources the Guards throw at the investigation.
The vigilante's phones would have pinged off the nearest mast at 5am on Sunday morning. And there's bound to be a CCTV camera in Tulsk and Strokestown, say at the local credit union.
But that takes time & money to investigate and there's been many cutbacks in rural policing.
You've been watching far too much CSI.
You have to understand that in strokestown they are more accustomed to investigating old whistle thefts than mobile phones pinging off masts.
Or maybe I can see it now... Gary Sinese is Constable Seamus O'Shaugnessy in CSI: Strokestown.
I have great sympathy for any person who loses their house but I have to say that sometimes you need to sit back and look at things. Maths may not be my greatest thing but the Revenue got an judgement against this man for over €400k. Of that €177k was under declared VAT, not undeclared but under declared so he obviously declared a significant amount too. That would suggest to me that over a period of time this man had been turning over a significant amount of 'farming' transactions to accumulate that level of VAT. The reality is if you don't pay your way you have to pay the price. The sickening correlations people are making to the 1880's is a disgusting red herring in my eyes. If this man hasn't paid his way, which seems to be the case, then he is stealing a euro or more from the pocket of every single person who is paying their taxes and paying their mortgages.
The use of this security firm and their tactics is a totally separate issue in my opinion and there should be stronger licensing requirements for these types of organisations with a strong emphasis on mediation as opposed to strong arm in my humble opinion. The reality is though the farmer here in this case is not the man to be hanging the flag on in terms of garnering sympathy.
The reporting of his "financial difficulties" is somewhat misleading too. Not handing over VAT you've collected isn't financial difficulty, it's fraud.
This case must have set back the UI cause
These kinds of things are always interesting to see who is on which side of the argument
People from the 4th green field are more likely to go with order while Connachtaigh are not .
The family seem to have asked for time to sort out the money. Maybe the bank tore the arse out of it
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/siblings-regain-possession-of-roscommon-home-following-eviction-1.3734658
Confirming that one of the McGann brothers and their sister, Geraldine had returned, a family friend, Donal Hanley, said they wanted to take their home back. The financial issues that led to the eviction are "a private matter", he said.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I suspect we won't see any more evictions in Co Roscommon.
"Security personnel" - bucks with Northern accents saying they're "British" >:(
Amazing how quick some are to defend the use of violence here but will be straight up on the high horse the minute violence is mentioned in the north.
People in the north had this kind of thing happen to themselves and their neighbours on a regular basis. The difference being
1. The perpetrators were the state security forces, not some private crowd of ex services mercenary goons
2. They didn't owe any money to anyone
FWIW, I reckon the tactics were a bit heavy handed, but if the figures are correct, the lads had to go.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 07:55:06 AM
I have great sympathy for any person who loses their house but I have to say that sometimes you need to sit back and look at things. Maths may not be my greatest thing but the Revenue got an judgement against this man for over €400k. Of that €177k was under declared VAT, not undeclared but under declared so he obviously declared a significant amount too. That would suggest to me that over a period of time this man had been turning over a significant amount of 'farming' transactions to accumulate that level of VAT. The reality is if you don't pay your way you have to pay the price. The sickening correlations people are making to the 1880's is a disgusting red herring in my eyes. If this man hasn't paid his way, which seems to be the case, then he is stealing a euro or more from the pocket of every single person who is paying their taxes and paying their mortgages.
The use of this security firm and their tactics is a totally separate issue in my opinion and there should be stronger licensing requirements for these types of organisations with a strong emphasis on mediation as opposed to strong arm in my humble opinion. The reality is though the farmer here in this case is not the man to be hanging the flag on in terms of garnering sympathy.
Excellent post
I've been amazed at the staunch partitionist mentality among those that are supporting the McGanns.
Strangely enough, a lot of these people claim to be "nationalists" or "Republicans".
Seems they're anything but.
Mcs back in their house, Crowd guard the house overnight.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 09:11:37 AM
Mcs back in their house, Crowd guard the house overnight.
Switch off the electricity supply, either they can spend Christmas at one of their other four properties, or they can stew in the cold for the next two weeks the same way they let local businesses stew because they couldn't be bothered paying them, move back in first thing in the new year.
What actual business did your man have?
what was he buying and selling?
They actually have the means to clear their debt but they won't. Just think about that. 4 houses, a farm of land. These are exactly the type of people who have contributed to the homeless crisis in Ireland. They've acquired property as an investment. Taking it out the hands of people who could raise families in those homes. They've drove up property prices and they haven't bother to pay the loans.
Is this what being Irish in in 2018? IMO there's only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over these people. This stinks of planter mentality to me.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 18, 2018, 09:24:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 09:11:37 AM
Mcs back in their house, Crowd guard the house overnight.
Switch off the electricity supply, either they can spend Christmas at one of their other four properties, or they can stew in the cold for the next two weeks the same way they let local businesses stew because they couldn't be bothered paying them, move back in first thing in the new year.
one local business Hanly brothers who knows more about court orders than any other business in the west unpaid ( google Alan or Bertie Hanly and your sympathy might be misplaced)........or are you aware of any others
what 4 other properties ???? Folios refer to land plot not to another house
Quote from: trailer on December 18, 2018, 09:51:39 AM
They actually have the means to clear their debt but they won't. Just think about that. 4 houses, a farm of land. These are exactly the type of people who have contributed to the homeless crisis in Ireland. They've acquired property as an investment. Taking it out the hands of people who could raise families in those homes. They've drove up property prices and they haven't bother to pay the loans.
Is this what being Irish in in 2018? IMO there's only a thin veneer of Irishness painted over these people. This stinks of planter mentality to me.
what 4 houses ?? have you seen addresses listed or just following Sid & co half reading reports
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
The irony ;D
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 07:55:06 AM
I have great sympathy for any person who loses their house but I have to say that sometimes you need to sit back and look at things. Maths may not be my greatest thing but the Revenue got an judgement against this man for over €400k. Of that €177k was under declared VAT, not undeclared but under declared so he obviously declared a significant amount too. That would suggest to me that over a period of time this man had been turning over a significant amount of 'farming' transactions to accumulate that level of VAT. The reality is if you don't pay your way you have to pay the price. The sickening correlations people are making to the 1880's is a disgusting red herring in my eyes. If this man hasn't paid his way, which seems to be the case, then he is stealing a euro or more from the pocket of every single person who is paying their taxes and paying their mortgages.
The use of this security firm and their tactics is a totally separate issue in my opinion and there should be stronger licensing requirements for these types of organisations with a strong emphasis on mediation as opposed to strong arm in my humble opinion. The reality is though the farmer here in this case is not the man to be hanging the flag on in terms of garnering sympathy.
Excellent post
Excellent post me hole, it's a cráp post, brokencrossbar knows féck all about how this farming couple got into debt (in 2008?) when the economy crashed. But with heaps of speculation about how the private company business was transacted, claim knowledge how debts spiraled, got transferred to property and can come to a firm determination that the couple deserve little or no sympathy.
Sympathy is a subjective emotion, claiming that "I do not feel sympathy for this couple" is an utterly worthless statement.
The evidence to the contrary is that there is very strong support from the locality for this family.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Ross, I've asked Orchard but he didn't answer, maybe you will.
can you explain how this man could have risen a VAT bill of a minimum of €177k?
That's not a farming debt, that's one thing I know for definite, farmers don't register for VAT cause we'd be rode.
And that VAT just happens to coincide with the construction industry failing?
Farmers didn't get hit hard in the recession, cattle prices fell but the arse didn't fall out of them. Milk prices were running above 40c/l over those years, that's well above what they are now in a dairy boom
Not paying your VAT wouldn't make sense, it's literlaly the most likely thing you'll be caught on by revenue
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Ross, I've asked Orchard but he didn't answer, maybe you will.
can you explain how this man could have risen a VAT bill of a minimum of €177k?
That's not a farming debt, that's one thing I know for definite, farmers don't register for VAT cause we'd be rode.
And that VAT just happens to coincide with the construction industry failing?
Farmers didn't get hit hard in the recession, cattle prices fell but the arse didn't fall out of them. Milk prices were running above 40c/l over those years, that's well above what they are now in a dairy boom
Not paying your VAT wouldn't make sense, it's literlaly the most likely thing you'll be caught on by revenue
given the mcganns never were dairying milk prices are irrelevant
I didnt answer you how the vat debt arose as I dont understand it and because i don;t understand it myself i wont speculate or second guess it or jump to conclusions.
I was telling you they arent developers . as i understand it some land was sold to pay off the revenue debt a few years back also, but that could be wrong equally
Quote from: Main Street on December 18, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 07:55:06 AM
I have great sympathy for any person who loses their house but I have to say that sometimes you need to sit back and look at things. Maths may not be my greatest thing but the Revenue got an judgement against this man for over €400k. Of that €177k was under declared VAT, not undeclared but under declared so he obviously declared a significant amount too. That would suggest to me that over a period of time this man had been turning over a significant amount of 'farming' transactions to accumulate that level of VAT. The reality is if you don't pay your way you have to pay the price. The sickening correlations people are making to the 1880's is a disgusting red herring in my eyes. If this man hasn't paid his way, which seems to be the case, then he is stealing a euro or more from the pocket of every single person who is paying their taxes and paying their mortgages.
The use of this security firm and their tactics is a totally separate issue in my opinion and there should be stronger licensing requirements for these types of organisations with a strong emphasis on mediation as opposed to strong arm in my humble opinion. The reality is though the farmer here in this case is not the man to be hanging the flag on in terms of garnering sympathy.
Excellent post
Excellent post me hole, it's a cráp post, brokencrossbar knows féck all about how this farming couple got into debt (in 2008?) when the economy crashed. But with heaps of speculation about how the private company business was transacted, claim knowledge how debts spiraled, got transferred to property and can come to a firm determination that the couple deserve little or no sympathy.
Sympathy is a subjective emotion, claiming that "I do not feel sympathy for this couple" is an utterly worthless statement.
The evidence to the contrary is that there is very strong support from the locality for this family.
That may well be the case, but that doesn't mean what happened wasn't legal.
Granted it looked poor but in Ireland there's almost a respect for a rogue, a shyster who gets away with this sort of thing as its deemed as a victimless crime.
Not paying taxes isn't victimless.
Still, those "British" hoors did need a good rodding to put them back in their box.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Ross, I've asked Orchard but he didn't answer, maybe you will.
can you explain how this man could have risen a VAT bill of a minimum of €177k?
That's not a farming debt, that's one thing I know for definite, farmers don't register for VAT cause we'd be rode.
And that VAT just happens to coincide with the construction industry failing?
Farmers didn't get hit hard in the recession, cattle prices fell but the arse didn't fall out of them. Milk prices were running above 40c/l over those years, that's well above what they are now in a dairy boom
Not paying your VAT wouldn't make sense, it's literlaly the most likely thing you'll be caught on by revenue
given the mcganns never were dairying milk prices are irrelevant
I didnt answer you how the vat debt arose as I dont understand it and because i don;t understand it myself i wont speculate or second guess it or jump to conclusions.
I was telling you they arent developers . as i understand it some land was sold to pay off the revenue debt a few years back also, but that could be wrong equally
So they're beef farmers, like I said there was no recession for beef farmers. Those VAT debts are not farming debts
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Prices didn't recover in Strokestown like they did in other parts of the country either
Quote from: Main Street on December 18, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 07:55:06 AM
I have great sympathy for any person who loses their house but I have to say that sometimes you need to sit back and look at things. Maths may not be my greatest thing but the Revenue got an judgement against this man for over €400k. Of that €177k was under declared VAT, not undeclared but under declared so he obviously declared a significant amount too. That would suggest to me that over a period of time this man had been turning over a significant amount of 'farming' transactions to accumulate that level of VAT. The reality is if you don't pay your way you have to pay the price. The sickening correlations people are making to the 1880's is a disgusting red herring in my eyes. If this man hasn't paid his way, which seems to be the case, then he is stealing a euro or more from the pocket of every single person who is paying their taxes and paying their mortgages.
The use of this security firm and their tactics is a totally separate issue in my opinion and there should be stronger licensing requirements for these types of organisations with a strong emphasis on mediation as opposed to strong arm in my humble opinion. The reality is though the farmer here in this case is not the man to be hanging the flag on in terms of garnering sympathy.
Excellent post
Excellent post me hole, it's a cráp post, brokencrossbar knows féck all about how this farming couple got into debt (in 2008?) when the economy crashed. But with heaps of speculation about how the private company business was transacted, claim knowledge how debts spiraled, got transferred to property and can come to a firm determination that the couple deserve little or no sympathy.
Sympathy is a subjective emotion, claiming that "I do not feel sympathy for this couple" is an utterly worthless statement.
The evidence to the contrary is that there is very strong support from the locality for this family.
There may be a lot of support for the family within the local community but tell me this, how did he accumulate under declared VAT debts of €177k? In my limited knowledge that would suggest transactions over a period of time of give or take €1m worth. If this is the undeclared amount, then there is another amount that has been declared. People get into difficulties all the time and go bankrupt, get property repossessed and whatever. If you borrow money and don't pay it back then the debtors have every right to go and get it back. The reality is that in Ireland, and i know this from professional experience, it is nearly impossible for properties to be repossessed and normally it is at the end of a very lengthy process of negotiations, restructuring and failed repayment schemes. If they have 5 folios of ground, likely to be farmland and the farm house and not 5 properties, then they have a lot of assets. I have stood in court with people who have had their houses under repossession proceedings and I have great sympathy for anyone who is in that position. That doesn't mean that they can avoid this debt.
I haven't seen the money that was owed to KCb Bank anywhere but on the face of it there are numerous debts that these people have not paid back to other businesses and banks.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 18, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
That may well be the case, but that doesn't mean what happened wasn't legal.
The law can be an ass.
Ironically, I wouldn't use it to decide what is right and what is wrong!
[No idea of the facts behind this case - so cannot really pass informed comment on it.]
Quote from: Franko on December 18, 2018, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I suspect we won't see any more evictions in Co Roscommon.
"Security personnel" - bucks with Northern accents saying they're "British" >:(
Amazing how quick some are to defend the use of violence here but will be straight up on the high horse the minute violence is mentioned in the north.
People in the north had this kind of thing happen to themselves and their neighbours on a regular basis. The difference being
1. The perpetrators were the state security forces, not some private crowd of ex services mercenary goons
2. They didn't owe any money to anyone
FWIW, I reckon the tactics were a bit heavy handed, but if the figures are correct, the lads had to go.
Violence in the north is different, Franko. Jesus Christ.
The IRA in the South never killed civilians either.
Plus why can't ye all get on with each other
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Ross, I've asked Orchard but he didn't answer, maybe you will.
can you explain how this man could have risen a VAT bill of a minimum of €177k?
That's not a farming debt, that's one thing I know for definite, farmers don't register for VAT cause we'd be rode.
And that VAT just happens to coincide with the construction industry failing?
Farmers didn't get hit hard in the recession, cattle prices fell but the arse didn't fall out of them. Milk prices were running above 40c/l over those years, that's well above what they are now in a dairy boom
Not paying your VAT wouldn't make sense, it's literlaly the most likely thing you'll be caught on by revenue
given the mcganns never were dairying milk prices are irrelevant
I didnt answer you how the vat debt arose as I dont understand it and because i don;t understand it myself i wont speculate or second guess it or jump to conclusions.
I was telling you they arent developers . as i understand it some land was sold to pay off the revenue debt a few years back also, but that could be wrong equally
So they're beef farmers, like I said there was no recession for beef farmers. Those VAT debts are not farming debts
no recesssion for beef farmers because you say so.
there wasnt a recession, just a continuation of existing depressed prices........ I cannot explain the VAT bnut equally uou have no baiss for asserting it was non faerming activity or your continued belief that he was a property developer
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/legal-advice/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-registering-for-vat-34205607.html
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Sid and Trailer need to go back in their urban boxes and stop commenting on something they so obviously know nithing about.
An awful lot of farmers in Ros and I'm sure other adjoining Counties have scattered bits of land which would be registered as separate properties.
Bottom line is Mc still owes a load of money secured on his property.....
Banks and Vultures might just go about theur business a bit more diplomatically after this propaganda defeat.
I hope Gilroy and his gang hadn't talked Mc into ignoring the whole situation.
Ross, I've asked Orchard but he didn't answer, maybe you will.
can you explain how this man could have risen a VAT bill of a minimum of €177k?
That's not a farming debt, that's one thing I know for definite, farmers don't register for VAT cause we'd be rode.
And that VAT just happens to coincide with the construction industry failing?
Farmers didn't get hit hard in the recession, cattle prices fell but the arse didn't fall out of them. Milk prices were running above 40c/l over those years, that's well above what they are now in a dairy boom
Not paying your VAT wouldn't make sense, it's literlaly the most likely thing you'll be caught on by revenue
given the mcganns never were dairying milk prices are irrelevant
I didnt answer you how the vat debt arose as I dont understand it and because i don;t understand it myself i wont speculate or second guess it or jump to conclusions.
I was telling you they arent developers . as i understand it some land was sold to pay off the revenue debt a few years back also, but that could be wrong equally
So they're beef farmers, like I said there was no recession for beef farmers. Those VAT debts are not farming debts
no recesssion for beef farmers because you say so.
there wasnt a recession, just a continuation of existing depressed prices........ I cannot explain the VAT bnut equally uou have no baiss for asserting it was non faerming activity or your continued belief that he was a property developer
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/legal-advice/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-registering-for-vat-34205607.html
There's no obligation on a farmer to register for VAT so I think it's fair to say that a person who was under declaring their VAT is not the kind of person
who would voluntarily register for VAT in the first place!
unless mistakingly believing it was a way to save / make money..........
my point is neither Mayo4sam or myself know why the Vat registration happened.
but mayo4sam decides to invent property developers etc to suit his imagination
We can claim back vat on all capital expenditures including fencing but excluding repairs.
Farmers would never register for VAT unless there's off farm activity which would require it
If you want to stick ur head in the sand fair enough but these things don't add up to this being just a farmer.
You commented earlier that the five folios might only be an acre or two each. But at the same time he has sales of at least a million from just farming? It doesn't add up. If he was a farmer of that size we'd have heard of him in Mayo, people know about huge farmers like that. It just doesn't add up
The purpose of registering for VAT, [in the North anyway], is so that a business can claim VAT back that they paid on goods they have purchased, thus decreasing their cost base.
That has nothing to do with paying on VAT to the revenue that they have collected on goods they have sold which is what appears to have happened in this case.
Outside of the money owed to the revenue in excess of €400K and the undetermined money owed to KBC there were further charges against the land for at least €65k to Hanleys and ACC Asset financing and 2 other charges to the Bank of Ireland Financing and ICS Building society, amounts unknown. I don't know the why's or what fors of how this man got into financial strife but I'm sorry it would want to be one hell of a farm business to be accumulating this amount of debt. The VAT transactions alone over a period of years accumulate to minimum €1m, minimum. Hanlys were a quarry company and he owed them €18k. maybe he was drawing stones for shoring fields or something so that is reasonable. ACC asset financing would suggest he has bought plant with that money and that could be farm machinery. The VAT though does not make sense for a farmer, and if it is for just farming he must have been turning over a lot within the business and therefore you'd have to ask questions about where the money went.
He's a bollocks who didn't pay his bills. He now squatting on someone else's land. Not only should he be removed from the land but he should be locked up for fraud. A gangster no better or worse than those in Dublin. If this is what being Irish is I want no part of it.
Just to do the maths. If we assume you get away for two years without paying VAT, very unlikely but we'll say two years.
So that's sales of €800k for the unpaid VAT, Plus whatever sales if any that VAT was paid on plus of course the VAT claimed back on fertiliser, contractors, feed etc
Like I said, it doesn't add up that this lad was just a farmer
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
Just to do the maths. If we assume you get away for two years without paying VAT, very unlikely but we'll say two years.
So that's sales of €800k for the unpaid VAT, Plus whatever sales if any that VAT was paid on plus of course the VAT claimed back on fertiliser, contractors, feed etc
Like I said, it doesn't add up that this lad was just a farmer
Don't let logic get in the way of a good old story!
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 12:00:37 PM
We can claim back vat on all capital expenditures including fencing but excluding repairs.
Farmers would never register for VAT unless there's off farm activity which would require it
If you want to stick ur head in the sand fair enough but these things don't add up to this being just a farmer.
You commented earlier that the five folios might only be an acre or two each. But at the same time he has sales of at least a million from just farming? It doesn't add up. If he was a farmer of that size we'd have heard of him in Mayo, people know about huge farmers like that. It just doesn't add up
so you know every farmer in Roscommon with in excess of say 200 acres..... "we'd have heard of him"...... my hole
Well ur talking about in excess of 500 acres, buying or selling in those quantities, it's very likely he'd have been heard of
you are talking in excess of 500 acres..............based on what. Mcganns farm is closer to the 200+ acres I alluded to and where are the stories of buying and selling .... all the media reports are re mortgages on the land, nothing about buying land
Only one landowner in the strokestown parish has that amount of land you refer to............ the Hanly family who would be known to have a fair few debts themselves with financial institutions, rumours of up to maybe 250 million area.............
Quote from: trailer on December 18, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
He's a bollocks who didn't pay his bills. He now squatting on someone else's land. Not only should he be removed from the land but he should be locked up for fraud. A gangster no better or worse than those in Dublin. If this is what being Irish is I want no part of it.
Just move to England, Trailer.
Why a mess in Roscommon would have anything to do with your passport is beyond me .
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 12:41:24 PM
you are talking in excess of 500 acres..............based on what. Mcganns farm is closer to the 200+ acres I alluded to and where are the stories of buying and selling .... all the media reports are re mortgages on the land, nothing about buying land
Only one landowner in the strokestown parish has that amount of land you refer to............ the Hanly family who would be known to have a fair few debts themselves with financial institutions, rumours of up to maybe 250 million area.............
You don't rack up a VAT bill by mortgaging lands. I did sums a few posts back that would need sales of €800k.
There is no farming explanation for a VAT bill this size as a farmer
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2018, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 18, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
He's a bollocks who didn't pay his bills. He now squatting on someone else's land. Not only should he be removed from the land but he should be locked up for fraud. A gangster no better or worse than those in Dublin. If this is what being Irish is I want no part of it.
Just move to England, Trailer.
Why a mess in Roscommon would have anything to do with your passport is beyond me .
Yip
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 12:41:24 PM
you are talking in excess of 500 acres..............based on what. Mcganns farm is closer to the 200+ acres I alluded to and where are the stories of buying and selling .... all the media reports are re mortgages on the land, nothing about buying land
Only one landowner in the strokestown parish has that amount of land you refer to............ the Hanly family who would be known to have a fair few debts themselves with financial institutions, rumours of up to maybe 250 million area.............
You don't rack up a VAT bill by mortgaging lands. I did sums a few posts back that would need sales of €800k.
There is no farming explanation for a VAT bill this size as a farmer
So you still claiming he owns 500 acres plus are you
I'm saying to rack up that kinda VAT bill from farming that's the kind of acreage he would need.
Even with that I don't think it would be possible, you'd be buying so much you'd offset that bill through purchases
As I've said I don't think this is the case. As I've said I don't think you could get a VAT bill like that from farming solely. As I've said i think it's a construction VAT bill
You've consistently said he's just a farmer, if that's the case can you give some theory on that VAT bill?
Some form of reasonable speculation based on the facts that we have?
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
The VAT bill didn't get him evicted which in my opinion makes it even worse! He owed this on top of the minimum €65k that was charged on his lands owed to other debtors and the mortgage owed to KBC. banks do not go against family homes unless they have absolutely no choice. He owes hundreds of thousands on top of the bank debt so the bank had no option I'd say other than to realize its rights over the land to protect its position
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
You've repeatedly said he's just a farmer when the facts point against that.
Contracting could be a reasonable guess, it would be a major coincidence that it came at the start of the recession, but it is possible. It wood take massive mismanagement also.
Whatever the case, he owes a lot of money, he clearly hasn't engaged with the banks or revenue or the quarry. When that happens your property gets repossessed
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
You've repeatedly said he's just a farmer when the facts point against that.
Contracting could be a reasonable guess, it would be a major coincidence that it came at the start of the recession, but it is possible. It wood take massive mismanagement also.
Whatever the case, he owes a lot of money, he clearly hasn't engaged with the banks or revenue or the quarry. When that happens your property gets repossessed
No I repeatedly said he wasnta developer and tgat he didn't hsve 500 acres, 2 points which you were determined to present as fact.
I have also repeatedly said I can't explain VAT, but this is about a bank sponsored eviction not a revenue order.....
A lot of idle speculation here and elsewhere.
Who knows what way this man's mind has beenn or what irrational pressures he has helped put himself under.....
But the cheap easy way is to routinely nlacken and label fraudster criminal and whatever your having uourself.
I haven't met the man in question since his late mothers funeral over 3 years ago, I grew up with an older brother, uninvolved in this, and I don't claim to know the facts so I find it ironic total strangers feel qualified to judge and hang
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 03:11:12 PM
A lot of idle speculation here and elsewhere.
Who knows what way this man's mind has beenn or what irrational pressures he has helped put himself under.....
But the cheap easy way is to routinely nlacken and label fraudster criminal and whatever your having uourself.
I haven't met the man in question since his late mothers funeral over 3 years ago, I grew up with an older brother, uninvolved in this, and I don't claim to know the facts so I find it ironic total strangers feel qualified to judge and hang
I don't think there's any idle speculator in stating that this man owed at least half a million or so in debt to a number of different debtors. There is no indication that he has discharged his outstanding VAT bill, he has 4-5 orders charging land against the property folios and that doesn't include the KBC debt. His debts seem to have arisen at the outset of the economic downturn, and like many others it has hit him very hard. In my experience a bank will rarely try to repossess a family home, particularly when there are other people living in the premises. It would be the very last resort for them to do so. This to me would suggest that they have tried and failed and with increasing levels of charges being registered against the property the fear of a diminishing return on any repossession may have forced their hand
Yours is one of the more reasoned positions online.
But to those who castigate him for a debt to a local quarry / concrete supplier, you should really check out who the biggest non payers in Nort Ross are....
And they managed to sell the hotels to a friendly consortium
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
Yours is one of the more reasoned positions online.
But to those who castigate him for a debt to a local quarry / concrete supplier, you should really check out who the biggest non payers in Nort Ross are....
And they managed to sell the hotels to a friendly consortium
I'd say you know a lot more about this man than you're letting on. Afraid the truth will paint him in the light he actually deserves??
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/chaotic-scenes-in-dil-as-varadkar-accuses-sinn-fin-of-letting-the-balaclava-slip-with-reaction-to-roscommon-vigilante-attack-37637756.html
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on December 18, 2018, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
Yours is one of the more reasoned positions online.
But to those who castigate him for a debt to a local quarry / concrete supplier, you should really check out who the biggest non payers in Nort Ross are....
And they managed to sell the hotels to a friendly consortium
I'd say you know a lot more about this man than you're letting on. A??
More speculation ;)
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/chaotic-scenes-in-dil-as-varadkar-accuses-sinn-fin-of-letting-the-balaclava-slip-with-reaction-to-roscommon-vigilante-attack-37637756.html
Sinn Fein didn't like that. Truth hurts I suppose.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on December 18, 2018, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
Yours is one of the more reasoned positions online.
But to those who castigate him for a debt to a local quarry / concrete supplier, you should really check out who the biggest non payers in Nort Ross are....
And they managed to sell the hotels to a friendly consortium
I'd say you know a lot more about this man than you're letting on. Afraid the truth will paint him in the light he actually deserves??
as above read when i last met Anthony McGann.....
he's a grown man and has bigger concerns than what light anonymous internet posters paint him...
most people who follow Ross football would know one or more members of the family, lifelong Rossie and Strokestown supporters.....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
The VAT bill didn't get him evicted which in my opinion makes it even worse! He owed this on top of the minimum €65k that was charged on his lands owed to other debtors and the mortgage owed to KBC. banks do not go against family homes unless they have absolutely no choice. He owes hundreds of thousands on top of the bank debt so the bank had no option I'd say other than to realize its rights over the land to protect its position
How much do the banks owe, when do we get to boot them out of a building and pin them to the ground?
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
The VAT bill didn't get him evicted which in my opinion makes it even worse! He owed this on top of the minimum €65k that was charged on his lands owed to other debtors and the mortgage owed to KBC. banks do not go against family homes unless they have absolutely no choice. He owes hundreds of thousands on top of the bank debt so the bank had no option I'd say other than to realize its rights over the land to protect its position
How much do the banks owe, when do we get to boot them out of a building and pin them to the ground?
Owe to whom?
The state gave them a blank cheque!
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2018, 07:25:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
The VAT bill didn't get him evicted which in my opinion makes it even worse! He owed this on top of the minimum €65k that was charged on his lands owed to other debtors and the mortgage owed to KBC. banks do not go against family homes unless they have absolutely no choice. He owes hundreds of thousands on top of the bank debt so the bank had no option I'd say other than to realize its rights over the land to protect its position
How much do the banks owe, when do we get to boot them out of a building and pin them to the ground?
Owe to whom?
The state gave them a blank cheque!
Owe to us, the taxpayer. More outrage about tax affairs of a Roscommon farmer than the fact that these robbing Bastards can throw people on the street for not paying quantities that a minute percentage of what they themselves owe. Its sickening.
These debts are not from farming. Farmers do not register for VAT. We have the best of both worlds where we can claim back VAT for improvements to our land but don't have to add VAT to our sales.
The description of this man as a farmer is misleading
So what is he then?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
So what is he then?
I don't know, he might do some farming but farmers don't register for VAT
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
So what is he then?
I don't know, he might do some farming but farmers don't register for VAT
Some farmers do as per a previous link i posted.....
But you know more than anyone else here and because you don't recognise his name he just became a developer not a farmer....
That's in effect your position... mayo4sam......
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 07:53:32 PM
These debts are not from farming. Farmers do not register for VAT. We have the best of both worlds where we can claim back VAT for improvements to our land but don't have to add VAT to our sales.
The description of this man as a farmer is misleading
Funny my brother in law is a farmer and is registered for VAT and he's no a million miles from mayo either. Less of the generalisations
Varadkar made some drone like banal comments on this violent eviction by a bunch of hired thugs, in the Dail today. Whenever I hear him expressing a concept called an emotion, he sounds robotic as if he's reading a stop start telegram, not unlike my favoured computer voice, Bruce, but at least I can tune Bruce into delivering a few jokes.
Perhaps Leo is an Irish version of a Stepford Wife
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
So what is he then?
I don't know, he might do some farming but farmers don't register for VAT
Some farmers do as per a previous link i posted.....
But you know more than anyone else here and because you don't recognise his name he just became a developer not a farmer....
That's in effect your position... mayo4sam......
There's plenty of farmers on here, I'm sure some if them can give their opinions on VAT
Quote from: Main Street on December 18, 2018, 11:17:40 PM
Varadkar made some drone like banal comments on this violent eviction by a bunch of hired thugs, in the Dail today. Whenever I hear him expressing a concept called an emotion, he sounds robotic as if he's reading a stop start telegram, not unlike my favoured computer voice, Bruce, but at least I can tune Bruce into delivering a few jokes.
Perhaps Leo is an Irish version of a Stepford Wife
You call them "thugs".
What thuggery did they commit? All I saw on the video taken by a "protestor" was reasonable, minimal use of force which certainly didn't look like assault or anything close to it.
I can give you a list of blatant thuggery committed by the "protestors", though.
i) Setting fire to at least five vehicles.
ii) Attacking the security guards with baseball bats.
iii) Killing a dog.
Do you consider this to be thuggery?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 03:11:12 PM
A lot of idle speculation here and elsewhere.
Who knows what way this man's mind has beenn or what irrational pressures he has helped put himself under.....
But the cheap easy way is to routinely nlacken and label fraudster criminal and whatever your having uourself.
I haven't met the man in question since his late mothers funeral over 3 years ago, I grew up with an older brother, uninvolved in this, and I don't claim to know the facts so I find it ironic total strangers feel qualified to judge and hang
I don't think there's any idle speculator in stating that this man owed at least half a million or so in debt to a number of different debtors. There is no indication that he has discharged his outstanding VAT bill, he has 4-5 orders charging land against the property folios and that doesn't include the KBC debt. His debts seem to have arisen at the outset of the economic downturn, and like many others it has hit him very hard. In my experience a bank will rarely try to repossess a family home, particularly when there are other people living in the premises. It would be the very last resort for them to do so. This to me would suggest that they have tried and failed and with increasing levels of charges being registered against the property the fear of a diminishing return on any repossession may have forced their hand
From reading the Irish Times today it seems it's over €800,000.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 18, 2018, 11:53:59 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 03:11:12 PM
A lot of idle speculation here and elsewhere.
Who knows what way this man's mind has beenn or what irrational pressures he has helped put himself under.....
But the cheap easy way is to routinely nlacken and label fraudster criminal and whatever your having uourself.
I haven't met the man in question since his late mothers funeral over 3 years ago, I grew up with an older brother, uninvolved in this, and I don't claim to know the facts so I find it ironic total strangers feel qualified to judge and hang
I don't think there's any idle speculator in stating that this man owed at least half a million or so in debt to a number of different debtors. There is no indication that he has discharged his outstanding VAT bill, he has 4-5 orders charging land against the property folios and that doesn't include the KBC debt. His debts seem to have arisen at the outset of the economic downturn, and like many others it has hit him very hard. In my experience a bank will rarely try to repossess a family home, particularly when there are other people living in the premises. It would be the very last resort for them to do so. This to me would suggest that they have tried and failed and with increasing levels of charges being registered against the property the fear of a diminishing return on any repossession may have forced their hand
From reading the Irish Times today it seems it's over €800,000.
Between today and yesterday, Irish Times also said:
- He has settled his VAT liability of €429k including interest and penalties
- Penalties for underpaid tax can be 3%, 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 75% or 100%. He was charged 100% as it was a deliberate default with no co-operation during audit
- He sold land to help fund the tax payment
- He's still left with approx 100 acres.
- KBC have been chasing him for this unpaid debt since 2009
I've heard of a few boys who are "farmers".
ie. The tags sit in the kitchen cupboard and they wouldn't know what to do with a beast if they came across one.
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2018, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2018, 07:25:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 18, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
I don't do speculation. And I havevrepeatefky said I don't know how the vat Bill came about.
He may have been agri contracting perhaps.
The vat Bill didn't get him evicted though so us s total side show
The VAT bill didn't get him evicted which in my opinion makes it even worse! He owed this on top of the minimum €65k that was charged on his lands owed to other debtors and the mortgage owed to KBC. banks do not go against family homes unless they have absolutely no choice. He owes hundreds of thousands on top of the bank debt so the bank had no option I'd say other than to realize its rights over the land to protect its position
How much do the banks owe, when do we get to boot them out of a building and pin them to the ground?
Owe to whom?
The state gave them a blank cheque!
Owe to us, the taxpayer. More outrage about tax affairs of a Roscommon farmer than the fact that these robbing b**tards can throw people on the street for not paying quantities that a minute percentage of what they themselves owe. Its sickening.
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Quote from: Hound on December 19, 2018, 08:26:54 AM
- Penalties for underpaid tax can be 3%, 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 75% or 100%. He was charged 100% as it was a deliberate default with no co-operation during audit
Had he played ball on the VAT his penalty might have been 10% instead of 100%, which would have left €200,000 which would likely have sorted KBC.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/galway-couple-overcharged-by-1-23m-in-tracker-scandal-1.3405365
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/163m-paid-to-customers-in-refunds-and-compensation-a-fraction-of-money-owed-1.3266864
https://www.thejournal.ie/central-bank-kbc-fine-3019444-Oct2016/
And after that there is this one
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/kbc-ireland-cannot-rule-out-mortgage-vulture-sales-854324.html
1st Paragraph...
The boss of KBC Bank Ireland has said he "cannot rule in or rule out" potentially selling off of thousands of loans to vulture funds, even where customers are complying with the terms of their restructured payments.
Quote from: Itchy on December 19, 2018, 11:02:58 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/galway-couple-overcharged-by-1-23m-in-tracker-scandal-1.3405365
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/163m-paid-to-customers-in-refunds-and-compensation-a-fraction-of-money-owed-1.3266864
https://www.thejournal.ie/central-bank-kbc-fine-3019444-Oct2016/
And after that there is this one
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/kbc-ireland-cannot-rule-out-mortgage-vulture-sales-854324.html
1st Paragraph...
The boss of KBC Bank Ireland has said he "cannot rule in or rule out" potentially selling off of thousands of loans to vulture funds, even where customers are complying with the terms of their restructured payments.
The bit highlighted in bold is a bit of a red herring surely? If people are complying with the terms of their agreement (and the agreements are set up legally) its irrelevant who owns the loan. A vulture fund cannot unilaterally change the terms of the contract if there is no provision for them to do so in the original agreement? The difference is that teh vulture funds will tend to be much more aggressive with those who are not meeting payments or will be more likely to seek to exploit loopholes/technicalities than a bank would
Banks worldwide are packaging loans and selling them off with neons. It does not matter whether the mortgage owner is in arrears or not. The buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid. Go to the meetings to find out other frauds that are taking place. Many of the board members live near by. The Central Banking Systems days are numbered.
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Banks worldwide are packaging loans and selling them off with neons. It does not matter whether the mortgage owner is in arrears or not. The buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid. Go to the meetings to find out other frauds that are taking place. Many of the board members live near by. The Central Banking Systems days are numbered.
No bank is going to let the sale of a loan void the contract. In its simplest form your contract/mortgage is with the company i.e. if the bank is sold (to a vulture fund or whatever) the loan follows the company. You still owe them.
If teh bank want to pick and choose what loans to sell they simple package them up in another wholly owned SPV (New company) and sell the SPV. Your mortgage will usually define transfers within the original group as allowed. You still owe them.
If the contract provides for individual loans to be sold, you still owe them.
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PMThe buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid.
You need to stop reading conspiracy loon websites.
Quote from: dec on December 19, 2018, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PMThe buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid.
You need to stop reading conspiracy loon websites.
+1. If Borrower has a mortgage with Bank X and Bank X sells the mortgage to Bank Y, then the mortgage between Borrower and Bank Y continues as if Bank Y was the original bank. Bank Y can't just decide to throw the Borrower out of their property and sell it....unless Borrower stops paying their mortgage.
The difference with the vulture funds opposed to traditional high street banks is that the vulture funds are more active in enforcing their security should the borrowers stop making payment. But it's all legal. To think it's all fraud is loony stuff.
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Banks worldwide are packaging loans and selling them off with neons. It does not matter whether the mortgage owner is in arrears or not. The buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid. Go to the meetings to find out other frauds that are taking place. Many of the board members live near by. The Central Banking Systems days are numbered.
I'd say there are a lot of constantly flashing neons in your head.
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Banks worldwide are packaging loans and selling them off with neons. It does not matter whether the mortgage owner is in arrears or not. The buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid. Go to the meetings to find out other frauds that are taking place. Many of the board members live near by. The Central Banking Systems days are numbered.
Seamus, as we all know is the Irish for James. And what's short for James?? Da da daaaaaaa ;D
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I found an article from 2011 when the euro crisis was cooking . By Martin Wolf in the FT
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3ba2f7c4-ee76-11e0-a2ed-00144feab49a.html#ixzz1ZttJLa86
October 4, 2011 8:07 pm
How to keep the euro on the road
"The easy credit conditions and low interest rates of the first decade delivered property bubbles and explosions of private borrowing in Ireland and Spain, incontinent public borrowing in Greece, declines in external competitiveness in Greece, Italy and Spain and huge external deficits in Greece, Portugal and Spain. When financial markets panicked, borrowers suffered "a sudden stop", which caused cascading crises of illiquidity and insolvency for sovereigns and banks. The eurozone has been running to catch up. But the crisis runs faster. Almost half of the sovereign debt shows heightened credit risk.
The eurozone had no mechanisms for cross-border financing of borrowers who had lost access to funds. In theory, adjustment should have occurred via the classical mechanisms: a spiral of sovereign defaults, banking collapses, slumps, unemployment, falling wages, fiscal retrenchment and all round misery. Nobody forewarned the public that such brutality lay in wait. Politicians did not understand this either. When the time came, they all flinched.
So what has to be done? The answer comes in two pairs: the first is "stocks and flows"; the second is "financing and adjustment". Stocks refers to cleaning up the legacy of the past. Flows refer
to the need to return to sustainable economic growth. Financing and adjustment refer to the how and the when of efforts to clean up stocks and restore sustainability to flows.
Several eurozone members have emerged from the crisis with huge overhangs of private and sovereign debt. If these stocks cannot be rolled over, a mixture of financing and restructuring remains. Either the official sector provides finance or it ensures a restructuring of debt in terms of face value, maturity or interest rates. In the case of Greece, the decision has been made to finance the debt overhang, via the official sector, indefinitely. No voluntary private financing exists. The private sector debt restructuring now being organised offers next to no relief to Greece, but substantial relief to erstwhile private lenders. In the case of Greece certainly (and Portugal and Ireland possibly), substantial reduction in the burden of debt service are essential.
This stock problem runs through banking, too, where the overhang of bad loans impairs both solvency and liquidity. Again, the solution is financing – injections of capital and support from the central bank – and restructuring – write-downs of assets and some liabilities. So long as the overhangs of bad debt remain, private finance will not return."
It doesn't matter what you think about the McGanns. Or Roscommon.
This is a structural problem.
The ECB should have restructured non performing loans but instead it slashed interest rates and got another property bubble going.
2011 NPLs are now owned by vulture funds. They were not restructured
There will be loads more cases like this one in the next few years. On top of all the new cases from the next crash.
2 arrested and a lorry allegedly used in the attack on the Goons taken by the Gárdai.
This is an email correspondence I had with a friend of mine who's originally from Roscommon, he studies Irish history and has published some books
It is not directly linked to this incident but he gives a few words on the history of the area. This is only for those who are interested. Again not my own words.
Strokestown district was devastated during the 1845-1850 Holocaust. English landlord Pakenham-Mahon "owned" Strokestown and the surrounding 42.14 sq. miles (26,980 acres) on which basis he claimed ownership of the fruit of essentially all labor on those 26,980 acres. He murdered large numbers of his tenants by commandeering all of their agricultural production and evicting many, including babies and the senile, penniless, in all weather, often wet (with average summer temperature of 56˚ Fahrenheit and winter of 39˚). In or about "Black '47" Pakenham-Mahon evicted all tenants in "his" town land of Ballykilcline. They headed for Dublin on foot; most of them into oblivion.
The landlords Pakenham of Strokestown had other estates. A Pakenham was Lord Longford living in his Pakenham Hall, Castlepollard, Co. Westmeath. Relative General Sir Edward Pakenham was killed on January 8, 1815 while leading a British attack against America, in The Battle of New Orleans ("Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico") but Ireland's Royal Dail and its corrupt academia still insist (as does Derek Warfield recently) that Ireland's landlords were Irish. Proof of their Englishness is also available in John Bateman's The Great Landowners of Great Britain and Ireland. London: Harrison & Sons 1878.
Due to the Parnell/Davitt Land League, including the Capt. Boycott incident, and to international outrage at England's destruction of the Irish, the British government in 1900-1920 bought out its landlords from Ireland (at above-market prices) and those not already in England (or the Continent) repatriated. The "golden handshakes" granted them was so munificent that, to amortize it out of the "striped" survival farms distributed to the Irish producers on the land, the repayment period was set at 68.5 years. My father and all of our neighbors in Co. Roscommon, and presumably the rest of Ireland, were still paying that annual "Rent" in addition to "Rates" (taxes) into the 1970s. Echoes of this historic injustice resonate in the foisting of the $78 billion of bankster losses onto Ireland's taxpayers (who had nothing whatever to do with incurring such debt), and to the recurrence of evictions in Ireland.
A particularly repulsive feature of Ireland's Royal Dail and its academia is that the Strokestown Big House of the Pakenham-Mahon estate is now Ireland's official "Famine Museum." Visitors seeking to learn the identity of the British regiment that starved their relatives are directed, instead, to admire the landlord's palatial residence and furnishings (that had been squeezed out of the unpaid labor of their Irish tenants
You have weird email corespondances with loony fringe Republicans and the Famine Musem is actually a pretty awesome tourist attraction.
Quote from: Syferus on December 20, 2018, 01:16:10 AM
You have weird email corespondances with loony fringe Republicans and the Famine Musem is actually a pretty awesome tourist attraction.
At one time I might have agreed with you but he proved it to me by showing me hand written (done before typewriter) British military records he obtained from Kew in London 1984. It is very accurate. If you are genuinely interested ill send you some copies but it wont be tonight.
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on December 19, 2018, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: dec on December 19, 2018, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PMThe buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid.
You need to stop reading conspiracy loon websites.
+1. If Borrower has a mortgage with Bank X and Bank X sells the mortgage to Bank Y, then the mortgage between Borrower and Bank Y continues as if Bank Y was the original bank. Bank Y can't just decide to throw the Borrower out of their property and sell it....unless Borrower stops paying their mortgage.
The difference with the vulture funds opposed to traditional high street banks is that the vulture funds are more active in enforcing their security should the borrowers stop making payment. But it's all legal. To think it's all fraud is loony stuff.
Total misinformation on your part, sad thing is the sheeple will believe you. Lets see if the march in Strokestown next Sunday will get proper media coverage or or will they spin it in order to keep people like you in the dark.
Quote from: Seamus on December 20, 2018, 01:59:48 AM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on December 19, 2018, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: dec on December 19, 2018, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Seamus on December 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PMThe buyers for example Volture Fund have no contract with the mortgage owner therefore legally the loan does not hav to be paid.
You need to stop reading conspiracy loon websites.
+1. If Borrower has a mortgage with Bank X and Bank X sells the mortgage to Bank Y, then the mortgage between Borrower and Bank Y continues as if Bank Y was the original bank. Bank Y can't just decide to throw the Borrower out of their property and sell it....unless Borrower stops paying their mortgage.
The difference with the vulture funds opposed to traditional high street banks is that the vulture funds are more active in enforcing their security should the borrowers stop making payment. But it's all legal. To think it's all fraud is loony stuff.
Total misinformation on your part, sad thing is the sheeple will believe you. Lets see if the march in Strokestown next Sunday will get proper media coverage or or will they spin it in order to keep people like you in the dark.
Conspiracy loons are brilliant. They all seem to believe that they alone are privy to some secret knowledge that only they can understand and everyone else is being kept in the dark.
Not many people know Einstein was killed by the Mafia.
Ask me why.
I'd guess....he knew too much
How did you know that? Are you with the illuminati?
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on December 20, 2018, 01:08:35 AM
This is an email correspondence I had with a friend of mine who's originally from Roscommon, he studies Irish history and has published some books
It is not directly linked to this incident but he gives a few words on the history of the area. This is only for those who are interested. Again not my own words.
Strokestown district was devastated during the 1845-1850 Holocaust. English landlord Pakenham-Mahon "owned" Strokestown and the surrounding 42.14 sq. miles (26,980 acres) on which basis he claimed ownership of the fruit of essentially all labor on those 26,980 acres. He murdered large numbers of his tenants by commandeering all of their agricultural production and evicting many, including babies and the senile, penniless, in all weather, often wet (with average summer temperature of 56˚ Fahrenheit and winter of 39˚). In or about "Black '47" Pakenham-Mahon evicted all tenants in "his" town land of Ballykilcline. They headed for Dublin on foot; most of them into oblivion.
The landlords Pakenham of Strokestown had other estates. A Pakenham was Lord Longford living in his Pakenham Hall, Castlepollard, Co. Westmeath. Relative General Sir Edward Pakenham was killed on January 8, 1815 while leading a British attack against America, in The Battle of New Orleans ("Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico") but Ireland's Royal Dail and its corrupt academia still insist (as does Derek Warfield recently) that Ireland's landlords were Irish. Proof of their Englishness is also available in John Bateman's The Great Landowners of Great Britain and Ireland. London: Harrison & Sons 1878.
Due to the Parnell/Davitt Land League, including the Capt. Boycott incident, and to international outrage at England's destruction of the Irish, the British government in 1900-1920 bought out its landlords from Ireland (at above-market prices) and those not already in England (or the Continent) repatriated. The "golden handshakes" granted them was so munificent that, to amortize it out of the "striped" survival farms distributed to the Irish producers on the land, the repayment period was set at 68.5 years. My father and all of our neighbors in Co. Roscommon, and presumably the rest of Ireland, were still paying that annual "Rent" in addition to "Rates" (taxes) into the 1970s. Echoes of this historic injustice resonate in the foisting of the $78 billion of bankster losses onto Ireland's taxpayers (who had nothing whatever to do with incurring such debt), and to the recurrence of evictions in Ireland.
A particularly repulsive feature of Ireland's Royal Dail and its academia is that the Strokestown Big House of the Pakenham-Mahon estate is now Ireland's official "Famine Museum." Visitors seeking to learn the identity of the British regiment that starved their relatives are directed, instead, to admire the landlord's palatial residence and furnishings (that had been squeezed out of the unpaid labor of their Irish tenants
The similarities between Pakenman and this family (McGanns?) is unreal. Both illegally occupying land in Roscommon. Then (allegedly) organising a vigilante gang to evict the rightful people in the middle of the night, burning vehicles, killing dogs and injuring people.
False allegations of criminal activity levelled against named person's there Mods.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 20, 2018, 09:44:25 AM
False allegations of criminal activity levelled against named person's there Mods.
100%
Quote from: trailer on December 18, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/chaotic-scenes-in-dil-as-varadkar-accuses-sinn-fin-of-letting-the-balaclava-slip-with-reaction-to-roscommon-vigilante-attack-37637756.html
Sinn Fein didn't like that. Truth hurts I suppose.
its shocking though to hear a leader make Quips about balaclavas to sinn fein when it took decades and a lot of courage for them to discard the armed struggle,
it shows a crass lack of sensitivity fro a Taoiseach,
esp one the oversees the guards wearing them in dawn Raids
Quote from: rosnarun on December 20, 2018, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 18, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/chaotic-scenes-in-dil-as-varadkar-accuses-sinn-fin-of-letting-the-balaclava-slip-with-reaction-to-roscommon-vigilante-attack-37637756.html
Sinn Fein didn't like that. Truth hurts I suppose.
its shocking though to hear a leader make Quips about balaclavas to sinn fein when it took decades and a lot of courage for them to discard the armed struggle,
it shows a crass lack of sensitivity fro a Taoiseach,
esp one the oversees the guards wearing them in dawn Raids
Yes, how courageous it is of Sinn Fein to stop shooting people.
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2018, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 20, 2018, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 18, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/chaotic-scenes-in-dil-as-varadkar-accuses-sinn-fin-of-letting-the-balaclava-slip-with-reaction-to-roscommon-vigilante-attack-37637756.html
Sinn Fein didn't like that. Truth hurts I suppose.
its shocking though to hear a leader make Quips about balaclavas to sinn fein when it took decades and a lot of courage for them to discard the armed struggle,
it shows a crass lack of sensitivity fro a Taoiseach,
esp one the oversees the guards wearing them in dawn Raids
Yes, how courageous it is of Sinn Fein to stop shooting people.
Trailer
you belong on Conservative Home
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
2 of those evicted owe nothing to nobody if I recognise the correct house from footage last night.....
That's kinda the way I am thinking too.
For me, the blame game starts with the actions of the "security" thugs who burst into the house without warning and used extreme violence to drag the occupants outside.
Only one of the three involved owned the property being seized, if I am reading things correctly.
So it's logical to assume the other pair were innocent of any court eviction order. In other words, they were asualted and manhandled by unknown men wearing black uniforms and speaking with northern accents.
Anyone in a rural area in the west of Ireland live in constant fear of having their houses broken into and ransacked at any hour of the day- or night. The sight of eight heavily armed goons bursting into the house and laying into all about them could have had very serious consequences.
If one or more of the residents happened to have a heart problem, we could be talking about a funeral or two now. Seems nobody complicit in this attack on the residents took this possibility into account.
By my reckoning, the bank, the guards and the legal system that allows such violent attacks on unsuspecting, elderly people should shoulder much of the blame.
In any event, I can't see how the actions of the eight thugs who started the craic can be justified reasonable under any circumstances.
Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a nut!
I can't condone the actions of the people who bet the f**k outa the security bullies but I can understand their anger. While one can expect the cops to attempt to apprehend those who used baseball bats to express their point of view, the conduct of the eight who got a taste of their own medicine shouldn't be overlooked either.
The criteria for being "elderly" has suddenly widened significantly.
Who knew being your 50s now counted as being "elderly"?
It's a good job for those who engaged in wanton assult, violence and destruction that they don't come from an ethnic minority.
Because if they did, you can be damn well sure there wouldn't be such "understanding" of why they did it from so many people.
Different strokes for different folks though, I guess.
"Extreme Violence" Lar?!
Would you ever f**k away off with that shite.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 20, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 17, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
2 of those evicted owe nothing to nobody if I recognise the correct house from footage last night.....
That's kinda the way I am thinking too.
For me, the blame game starts with the actions of the "security" thugs who burst into the house without warning and used extreme violence to drag the occupants outside.
Only one of the three involved owned the property being seized, if I am reading things correctly.
So it's logical to assume the other pair were innocent of any court eviction order. In other words, they were asualted and manhandled by unknown men wearing black uniforms and speaking with northern accents.
Anyone in a rural area in the west of Ireland live in constant fear of having their houses broken into and ransacked at any hour of the day- or night. The sight of eight heavily armed goons bursting into the house and laying into all about them could have had very serious consequences.
If one or more of the residents happened to have a heart problem, we could be talking about a funeral or two now. Seems nobody complicit in this attack on the residents took this possibility into account.
By my reckoning, the bank, the guards and the legal system that allows such violent attacks on unsuspecting, elderly people should shoulder much of the blame.
In any event, I can't see how the actions of the eight thugs who started the craic can be justified reasonable under any circumstances.
Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a nut!
I can't condone the actions of the people who bet the f**k outa the security bullies but I can understand their anger. While one can expect the cops to attempt to apprehend those who used baseball bats to express their point of view, the conduct of the eight who got a taste of their own medicine shouldn't be overlooked either.
An the award for best fictional post of 2018 goes to.......
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
"Extreme Violence" Lar?!
Would you ever f**k away off with that shite.
One of the men inside said he was "dragged out by the ears." In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I believe him. In any case, I would class eight big brutes breaking into any house at any time for any reason and dragging the occupants outside as being extremely violent behaviour.
Even if they knocked on the door and/or forced their way in, I could accept it as being necessary perhaps.
But three oul' fellas against eight uniformed brutes who burst in on top of them without warning is a different matter.
What if one of them was badly injured or suffered a cardiac arrest in the process?
Furthermore, two of the men inside were had nothing to do with the matter in hand and yet got pulled out onto the street with "extreme violence", would you not agree?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 20, 2018, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
"Extreme Violence" Lar?!
Would you ever f**k away off with that shite.
One of the men inside said he was "dragged out by the ears." In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I believe him. In any case, I would class eight big brutes breaking into any house at any time for any reason and dragging the occupants outside as being extremely violent behaviour.
Even if they knocked on the door and/or forced their way in, I could accept it as being necessary perhaps.
But three oul' fellas against eight uniformed brutes who burst in on top of them without warning is a different matter.
What if one of them was badly injured or suffered a cardiac arrest in the process?
Furthermore, two of the men inside were had nothing to do with the matter in hand and yet got pulled out onto the street with "extreme violence", would you not agree?
a) "one of the lads said" is not evidence of anything yet you insist on evidence to the contrary to disprove it. There were guards overseeing it. You really think a lad was dragged out by his f**king ears and nobody noticed or thought "that's a bit f**king rough, isn't it?"
b) the occupants were two males and one female, something you seem to have missed on a couple of occasions, leading me to doubt how much you've actually read or understand about the case
c) being in your 50s and early 60s is not "elderly"
d) the security men (whoever they were) were effecting a court authorised eviction. Hence the presence of the guards. Whether they owned the property or not is irrelevant. I can hardly march the f**k into your house and demand that nobody can evict me because I don't own the f**king place now, can I?
Seriously, has someone hacked your account?!
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2018, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 20, 2018, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
"Extreme Violence" Lar?!
Would you ever f**k away off with that shite.
One of the men inside said he was "dragged out by the ears." In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I believe him. In any case, I would class eight big brutes breaking into any house at any time for any reason and dragging the occupants outside as being extremely violent behaviour.
Even if they knocked on the door and/or forced their way in, I could accept it as being necessary perhaps.
But three oul' fellas against eight uniformed brutes who burst in on top of them without warning is a different matter.
What if one of them was badly injured or suffered a cardiac arrest in the process?
Furthermore, two of the men inside were had nothing to do with the matter in hand and yet got pulled out onto the street with "extreme violence", would you not agree?
a) "one of the lads said" is not evidence of anything yet you insist on evidence to the contrary to disprove it. There were guards overseeing it. You really think a lad was dragged out by his f**king ears and nobody noticed or thought "that's a bit f**king rough, isn't it?"
b) the occupants were two males and one female, something you seem to have missed on a couple of occasions, leading me to doubt how much you've actually read or understand about the case
c) being in your 50s and early 60s is not "elderly"
d) the security men (whoever they were) were effecting a court authorised eviction. Hence the presence of the guards. Whether they owned the property or not is irrelevant. I can hardly march the f**k into your house and demand that nobody can evict me because I don't own the f**king place now, can I?
Seriously, has someone hacked your account?!
Like you, I wasn't present at the eviction and can't say for certain what actually happened. I am going by newspaper reports and you appear to be fuelled by predjudice. At least, I can find no logical basis for your accusations.
I did put "dragged out by the ears" in quotations because I was obviously quoting, from a newspaper account.
The same paper carried tghois description of the eviction.
"Video footage of the eviction shows members of the team — believed to be based in the North — pinning an old man to the ground.
Two other security men, who are all wearing black, wrestled with another man and put him in a hold before pushing him off the property with the help of others.
Here are two photos, one of eack brother; I don't imagine that their wouonds were self-inflicted, do you?
My point all along has been that a disportinate degree of force was used to get the occupamts ut of the house.Incidentally, only ondeof the three was the subject oof the eviction order.
All three could have been seriously injured because of the extent to which they were manhandled.
Now, you may think all of this is hearsay and who needs evidence when they have their own agenda but I will accept that the reporters/photghraphers in question were in a better position to judge what went on at the eviction.
(https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/news/article13744832.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_I181216_202258_3105684oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000171120995o.jpg)
(https://www.thesun.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/12/NINTCHDBPICT000456672835.jpg?w=960)
There were once people who took the soup, then there were castle catholics and I'm convinced their offspring are those that go around justifying the brutal removal of Irish men from their houses by a bunch of thug Loyalist Grippers.
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
There were once people who took the soup, then there were castle catholics and I'm convinced their offspring are those that go around justifying the brutal removal of Irish men from their houses by a bunch of thug Loyalist Grippers.
FFS would you wise up. This kinda shite is what's wrong with this place. No one is defending the obviously heavy handed approach of the 'security' company. They were out of line on how they dealt with this. Taking the soup and castle catholic's has no place beside a situation where someone is being legally evicted for non payment of debts to a bank. We may not like it but if someone doesn't pay their mortgage for 9 years which seems to be the case here then you can't blame the bank for wanting to realize an asset that can discharge that debt. Yerra stick it up the banks ye bastards and we'll fight you to the end ....every penny not repaid on a debt means that someone else has to pick the tab up under the way things are run, either by increased bank charges, higher interest rates or government subsidies. He owed in the region of €800k by all accounts and discharged some of it. Why should he not have to pay the rest?
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/
While I understand there is a reason for all of the following they are arguably inescapable in modern society but in principal I dont agree with:
excess usury and borrowing
non payment of debt
evictions
vigilante behavior
using this as a political football
cheap political name calling
But I think this guy has hit the nail on the head. If yer man hadn't said he was British the size of furore around this would likely. And if the security company had used a little more restraint and came from Sligo we probably wouldn't be hearing about it at all.
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
I still have sympathy for the sisters though. If hes cnut, then fair enough. I just think there's a point where the poor are treated like shite on your shoe as opposed to Fitzpatrick and the likes. At least Sean Quinn did time.
I actually liked Varadkar alot (I'm a big SF supporter, but the way he has handled this is atrocious.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 20, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/ (https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/)
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
I stopped at, "there were no Varadkars in the GPO in 1916". I casually overhear too many racist pricks to make the effort to listen to one deliberately.
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
I still have sympathy for the sisters though. If hes cnut, then fair enough. I just think there's a point where the poor are treated like shite on your shoe as opposed to Fitzpatrick and the likes. At least Sean Quinn did time.
I actually liked Varadkar alot (I'm a big SF supporter, but the way he has handled this is atrocious.
None of it was handled well, and why is anyone surprised the 'poor' get shit on from a high? But no one can say they havent been warned enough times that this was going to happen...
If your man had have kept his mouth shut then no one would have batted an eyelid.. If someone broke into a house and stole €800,000 would they get any sympathy?
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/
I ignored the flag, I couldn't ignore his pronunciation of Connacht.
I only read the script on the link, listened to nothing
Quote from: Hardy on December 20, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 20, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/ (https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/)
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
I stopped at, "there were no Varadkars in the GPO in 1916". I casually overhear too many racist pricks to make the effort to listen to one deliberately.
Sounds like your deliberately going out of your way to be insulted because you dont like what he has to say
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
I still have sympathy for the sisters though. If hes cnut, then fair enough. I just think there's a point where the poor are treated like shite on your shoe as opposed to Fitzpatrick and the likes. At least Sean Quinn did time.
I actually liked Varadkar alot (I'm a big SF supporter, but the way he has handled this is atrocious.
None of it was handled well, and why is anyone surprised the 'poor' get shit on from a high? But no one can say they havent been warned enough times that this was going to happen...
If your man had have kept his mouth shut then no one would have batted an eyelid.. If someone broke into a house and stole €800,000 would they get any sympathy?
I just don't understand he opinions of alot on here. It seems we're all around the same age (30-40), either from rural or city places. The vast majority of us have been raised on the dole, or some other mechanism alongside our parents working. We came from nothing, but now we are older and with good jobs, we look down on others. My opinion is, if he can get away with a big VAT bill, fair play to him. Screw the system.
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
I still have sympathy for the sisters though. If hes cnut, then fair enough. I just think there's a point where the poor are treated like shite on your shoe as opposed to Fitzpatrick and the likes. At least Sean Quinn did time.
I actually liked Varadkar alot (I'm a big SF supporter, but the way he has handled this is atrocious.
Holding the line on Brexit is admirable but he reverted to what you'd expect FG. Im no Shinner but his comment to Pearse Doherty was out of line, (betrays his fascist roots perhaps :P). Goes to show the housing issue is a big thorn in the governments side
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2018, 06:08:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 20, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
I stopped at, "there were no Varadkars in the GPO in 1916". I casually overhear too many racist pricks to make the effort to listen to one deliberately.
Sounds like your deliberately going out of your way to be insulted because you dont like what he has to say
The whole basis for this comment is to provide an ego trip to inform users that he's virtuous and moral. Seems like this guy is compensating for something.
He paid his VAT settlement as far as I know.
So far on this thread he's been accused among other things of being a gangster, of not paying his VAT, of organising a gang to attack the "security men", of owning 5 houses and refusing to sell 4 of them thus contributing to homelessness.
That's what I recall off the top of my head.
I'm not going to read back the 15 pages to list the other accusations.
If there was a Court Order and it's not complied with is not the civilised way to get him cited and locked up for Contempt of Court.
But the Institution decided it would go for the jugular but it's backfired badly on them.
He's also become a scurrilous developer, couldn't be a farmer as some lad in Bangor error hadn't heard of him and refused to pay local small businesses....
Facts are as scarce as Sam Maguire trips to either Mayo or Roscommon
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2018, 06:08:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 20, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 20, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/ (https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/)
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
I stopped at, "there were no Varadkars in the GPO in 1916". I casually overhear too many racist pricks to make the effort to listen to one deliberately.
Sounds like your deliberately going out of your way to be insulted because you dont like what he has to say
Good man Joe - scattered as ever. How do you figure he insulted me? He insulted somebody else because of their race. I don't read or listen to racist pricks. I'll assume the "don't like what he has to say" comment doesn't imply that you do like what racist pricks have to say. But it's dangerous territory to venture onto when you suggest some of what a racist p***k has to say may be worth listening to.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 20, 2018, 06:49:21 PM
He paid his VAT settlement as far as I know.
So far on this thread he's been accused among other things of being a gangster, of not paying his VAT, of organising a gang to attack the "security men", of owning 5 houses and refusing to sell 4 of them thus contributing to homelessness.
That's what I recall off the top of my head.
I'm not going to read back the 15 pages to list the other accusations.
If there was a Court Order and it's not complied with is not the civilised way to get him cited and locked up for Contempt of Court.
But the Institution decided it would go for the jugular but it's backfired badly on them.
Even if we assume he's a simple farmer with a dozen hens, I'd suggest paying back mortgage is probably the wisest way of holding onto the house.
Absolute state of some of the posters on this thread. Take out loans. Don't pay them back, then tie the whole thing to the land league. Disgraceful and a stain on those who actually did campaign for land rights. Same shit Sinn Fein were at in the North letting on they were involved in the Civil Rights campaign of the 60s.
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
I still have sympathy for the sisters though. If hes cnut, then fair enough. I just think there's a point where the poor are treated like shite on your shoe as opposed to Fitzpatrick and the likes. At least Sean Quinn did time.
I actually liked Varadkar alot (I'm a big SF supporter, but the way he has handled this is atrocious.
None of it was handled well, and why is anyone surprised the 'poor' get shit on from a high? But no one can say they havent been warned enough times that this was going to happen...
If your man had have kept his mouth shut then no one would have batted an eyelid.. If someone broke into a house and stole €800,000 would they get any sympathy?
I just don't understand he opinions of alot on here. It seems we're all around the same age (30-40), either from rural or city places. The vast majority of us have been raised on the dole, or some other mechanism alongside our parents working. We came from nothing, but now we are older and with good jobs, we look down on others. My opinion is, if he can get away with a big VAT bill, fair play to him. Screw the system.
The system is what it is, people who screw the system f**k it up for honest Joe, insurance rates go up when people screw the system, bank charges go up when people steal €800,000 we all pay for it..
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 20, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 20, 2018, 06:49:21 PM
He paid his VAT settlement as far as I know.
So far on this thread he's been accused among other things of being a gangster, of not paying his VAT, of organising a gang to attack the "security men", of owning 5 houses and refusing to sell 4 of them thus contributing to homelessness.
That's what I recall off the top of my head.
I'm not going to read back the 15 pages to list the other accusations.
If there was a Court Order and it's not complied with is not the civilised way to get him cited and locked up for Contempt of Court.
But the Institution decided it would go for the jugular but it's backfired badly on them.
Even if we assume he's a simple farmer with a dozen hens, I'd suggest paying back mortgage is probably the wisest way of holding onto the house.
I don't think he'll ever be in the running for farmer of the year award and certainly won't win financial controller of the year.
Being claimed that he offered to pay €1,000 a month but offer was refused.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 20, 2018, 09:21:20 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 20, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 20, 2018, 06:49:21 PM
He paid his VAT settlement as far as I know.
So far on this thread he's been accused among other things of being a gangster, of not paying his VAT, of organising a gang to attack the "security men", of owning 5 houses and refusing to sell 4 of them thus contributing to homelessness.
That's what I recall off the top of my head.
I'm not going to read back the 15 pages to list the other accusations.
If there was a Court Order and it's not complied with is not the civilised way to get him cited and locked up for Contempt of Court.
But the Institution decided it would go for the jugular but it's backfired badly on them.
Even if we assume he's a simple farmer with a dozen hens, I'd suggest paying back mortgage is probably the wisest way of holding onto the house.
I don't think he'll ever be in the running for farmer of the year award and certainly won't win financial controller of the year.
Being claimed that he offered to pay €1,000 a month but offer was refused.
He'd be dead before paying it off!
Kinda like the national debt
Quote from: Hardy on December 20, 2018, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 20, 2018, 06:08:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 20, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on December 20, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/ (https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/)
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
I stopped at, "there were no Varadkars in the GPO in 1916". I casually overhear too many racist pricks to make the effort to listen to one deliberately.
Sounds like your deliberately going out of your way to be insulted because you dont like what he has to say
Good man Joe - scattered as ever. How do you figure he insulted me? He insulted somebody else because of their race. I don't read or listen to racist pricks. I'll assume the "don't like what he has to say" comment doesn't imply that you do like what racist pricks have to say. But it's dangerous territory to venture onto when you suggest some of what a racist p***k has to say may be worth listening to.
Seems like you were insulted by his insulting remark against Leo Varadkar?
If you disavow everything by people who use insulting remarks have to say, your not going to be listening to too many people.
Now according to your standard should we ignore what you have to say because you throw around personal insults? Which I might add is well against the board rules.
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 20, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
I'd love nothing more to stop paying my mortgage, and tell the bank and the credit card company to feck aff. But hey I'm a responsible man who took those payments on and will pay them off..
They were over the top but WTF is all the gurnning for, I could see it if he'd missed 2 months of a mortgage payment but €800,000!!
That should be put in the WTF thread
I still have sympathy for the sisters though. If hes cnut, then fair enough. I just think there's a point where the poor are treated like shite on your shoe as opposed to Fitzpatrick and the likes. At least Sean Quinn did time.
I actually liked Varadkar alot (I'm a big SF supporter, but the way he has handled this is atrocious.
None of it was handled well, and why is anyone surprised the 'poor' get shit on from a high? But no one can say they havent been warned enough times that this was going to happen...
If your man had have kept his mouth shut then no one would have batted an eyelid.. If someone broke into a house and stole €800,000 would they get any sympathy?
I just don't understand he opinions of alot on here.
That's because you're a bit thick.
Don't worry though, we can't all go to Gudger College.
Quote from: Orchard park on December 20, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
THAT FLAG IS UPSIDE DOWN!!!!!
The only thing to be learnt from the Jim Dowson interview is he's goign to be very dangerous, a good speakers with horrible politics are a bad combination.
I see KBC Bank head office in Dublin was the subject of an attempted arson overnight.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223
Quote from: Orchard park on December 20, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 20, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Don't know how legit this is, but listen to the words. Ignore the flag behind him.
https://www.facebook.com/JimDowsonUnplugged/videos/619811961797419/UzpfSTUzODAwNzAwNDoxMDE1NjA0Mjc2ODMwMjAwNQ/
Credit to Jim Dowson.....
You must be joking. Its not the flag that should be ignored, its the words.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 21, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
I see KBC Bank head office in Dublin was the subject of an attempted arson overnight.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223
That's all we fkn need >:(
How much vigilantism is the right amount?
Quote from: Puckoon on December 21, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
How much vigilantism is the right amount?
There's not near enough of it.
And some of the FineGael/banker lovers on here should be ashamed of themselves; bunch of arrogant, self-riteous c"nts- ashamed that some of them claim to be GAA men from Tyrone
Wankers, ban away
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 21, 2018, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 21, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
How much vigilantism is the right amount?
There's not near enough of it.
And some of the FineGael/banker lovers on here should be ashamed of themselves; bunch of arrogant, self-riteous c"nts- ashamed that some of them claim to be GAA men from Tyrone
w**kers, ban away
So you supported the arson attack on the KBC bank building in Dublin, yes?
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 21, 2018, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 21, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
How much vigilantism is the right amount?
There's not near enough of it.
And some of the FineGael/banker lovers on here should be ashamed of themselves; bunch of arrogant, self-riteous c"nts- ashamed that some of them claim to be GAA men from Tyrone
w**kers, ban away
Catch yourself on
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 21, 2018, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 21, 2018, 03:43:18 PM
How much vigilantism is the right amount?
There's not near enough of it.
And some of the FineGael/banker lovers on here should be ashamed of themselves; bunch of arrogant, self-riteous c"nts- ashamed that some of them claim to be GAA men from Tyrone
w**kers, ban away
;D
Ban away, keep him for post like this mods
The IT reports,
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223)
'After the eviction, the security staff stayed on at the property, in an apparent attempt to ensure the house remained in the possession of KBC. But they were attacked in the early hours of Sunday morning by a 20-strong gang armed with a gun and baseball bats.'
Where did the figure of 20 come from? Did someone do a roll call?
And then the IT report that there was a gun.
Is the reported presence of a gun in the ambush an established fact or is the IT just repeating embellished accounts of the incident by the hired security thugs and presenting them as facts , the very same thugs who were caught napping, were outwitted and easily overpowered in the ambush?
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2018, 12:00:17 AM
The IT reports,
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223)
'After the eviction, the security staff stayed on at the property, in an apparent attempt to ensure the house remained in the possession of KBC. But they were attacked in the early hours of Sunday morning by a 20-strong gang armed with a gun and baseball bats.'
Where did the figure of 20 come from? Did someone do a roll call?
And then the IT report that there was a gun.
Is the reported presence of a gun in the ambush an established fact or is the IT just repeating embellished accounts of the incident by the hired security thugs and presenting them as facts , the very same thugs who were caught napping, were outwitted and easily overpowered in the ambush?
If the security guards were easily overpowered, that's probably a pretty good indicator that there were around 20 vigilantes.
I find it interesting that you call people who were unarmed "thugs", yet are curiously reticent to apportion any such label to those who wielded a gun and baseball bats, set fire to at least five vehicles and killed a dog.
And, presumably, the arson attempt in Dublin last night.
Banking, Building and Beef the cosy cabal in Ireland with Seamus Maye.
Fantastic interview, problems and solutions discussed, a must view for every Irish citizen/resident.
Note: You do not need to be a member of the Illuminati to access this info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_e2hR2pmk&feature=em-lsp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_e2hR2pmk&feature=em-lsp)
Warning: Could be detrimental to the Irish Government Mafia and it's cohorts.
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2018, 12:00:17 AM
The IT reports,
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223)
'After the eviction, the security staff stayed on at the property, in an apparent attempt to ensure the house remained in the possession of KBC. But they were attacked in the early hours of Sunday morning by a 20-strong gang armed with a gun and baseball bats.'
Where did the figure of 20 come from? Did someone do a roll call?
And then the IT report that there was a gun.
Is the reported presence of a gun in the ambush an established fact or is the IT just repeating embellished accounts of the incident by the hired security thugs and presenting them as facts , the very same thugs who were caught napping, were outwitted and easily overpowered in the ambush?
I thought the dog was shot?
FortyShadesOfPaddy
@FiftyShadesOfPa
·
Dec 17
@SeanMoncrieff
Remember that advertisement you use to do on the radio for
@KBCBank
?
You used to say "terms and conditions apply, but no snakey stuff"
I loved that advert.
#Strokestownt
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/second-kbc-bank-branch-damaged-in-early-morning-arson-attack-in-dublin-1.3740721?mode=amp
Another KBC branch attacked.
Proud brave boys of Ireland.
Quote from: Rois on December 22, 2018, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2018, 12:00:17 AM
The IT reports,
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223)
'After the eviction, the security staff stayed on at the property, in an apparent attempt to ensure the house remained in the possession of KBC. But they were attacked in the early hours of Sunday morning by a 20-strong gang armed with a gun and baseball bats.'
Where did the figure of 20 come from? Did someone do a roll call?
And then the IT report that there was a gun.
Is the reported presence of a gun in the ambush an established fact or is the IT just repeating embellished accounts of the incident by the hired security thugs and presenting them as facts , the very same thugs who were caught napping, were outwitted and easily overpowered in the ambush?
I thought the dog was shot?
Dog was put down after being injured when set upon the persons unknown .
Quote from: gallsman on December 22, 2018, 11:05:47 AM
Another KBC branch attacked.
Proud brave boys of Ireland.
Wait, wait, it would be stupid to jump to conclusions here - it's probably a pure coincidence, or something.
Just ask Sid and Gallsman.... ::) They know everything
Quote from: Seamus on December 22, 2018, 03:34:56 AM
Banking, Building and Beef the cosy cabal in Ireland with Seamus Maye.
Fantastic interview, problems and solutions discussed, a must view for every Irish citizen/resident.
Note: You do not need to be a member of the Illuminati to access this info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_e2hR2pmk&feature=em-lsp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_e2hR2pmk&feature=em-lsp)
Warning: Could be detrimental to the Irish Government Mafia and it's cohorts.
Unreal, thanks for posting.
Everybody should take a look at it.
If it is even 50% accurate, and no reason to doubt otherwise, Ireland was a rotten rotten place to try to do business.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 22, 2018, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2018, 12:00:17 AM
The IT reports,
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223)
'After the eviction, the security staff stayed on at the property, in an apparent attempt to ensure the house remained in the possession of KBC. But they were attacked in the early hours of Sunday morning by a 20-strong gang armed with a gun and baseball bats.'
Where did the figure of 20 come from? Did someone do a roll call?
And then the IT report that there was a gun.
Is the reported presence of a gun in the ambush an established fact or is the IT just repeating embellished accounts of the incident by the hired security thugs and presenting them as facts , the very same thugs who were caught napping, were outwitted and easily overpowered in the ambush?
If the security guards were easily overpowered, that's probably a pretty good indicator that there were around 20 vigilantes.
The Irish Times presented as fact that there were 20 in the gang, A fact is not some woolly headed interpretation - 'well it's safe to assume there must have been 20 in the attack because they overpowered the security gang'.
Quote
I find it interesting that you call people who were unarmed "thugs", yet are curiously reticent to apportion any such label to those who wielded a gun and baseball bats, set fire to at least five vehicles and killed a dog. And, presumably, the arson attempt in Dublin last night.
I'm interested in accurate reporting and reporting assumptions as established facts is inaccurate low standard reporting. Obviously accurate reporting doesn't concern you as you don't value the wide difference between a fact and connecting random thoughts. Run along Sid and deflect elsewhere.
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-the-roscommon-eviction-is-really-about-893666.html?__twitter_impression=true
There's a reason you're confused about what happened in Strokestown, Co Roscommon, this week. And it's not because you're stupid.
The reason you can't really figure out what happened with the eviction situation up there, and the reason you aren't too sure "who to blame", is because the Government employed the oldest trick in the book: Divide and distract.
It's what politicians do when they're up that faeces-laden creek without a paddle. They start slinging the mud, hoping it will stick in various places, distracting you, the citizen, from the real issue at hand.
As you scrolled on your phone, queuing patiently to pay for your Christmas shopping, you may have read about a dog getting shot. Driving home from work in that heavy traffic, you could have heard about the evicted farmer, who had been informed about the repossession of his property seven times — thanks to unusually generous leaks to the media. And you also could have heard words such as "dissidents" and "thugs".
And then there was the almighty row in the Dáil between the boys in blue on the right, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar flanked by Health Minister Simon Harris, and the boy in green on the left, Sinn Féin's Pearse Doherty.
Mr Varadkar's now famous line to Mr Doherty, "it doesn't take very long for your balaclava to slip", was akin to striking a match to an oil field. It was all you could see, hear, and talk about, commanding metres in column inches and gigahertz in radio waves.
Division complete. Distraction on course. Job pretty much done.
Except it's far, far from done.
Here are some facts — courtesy of the Central Bank of Ireland.
There are 29,000 homes in arrears in Ireland. We are not talking a missed payment here and there. We are talking 29,000 residential mortgages that have "accumulated at least two years worth of missed payments".
OK, so 29,000 homeowners not paying their mortgage, no big deal?
Well, let's ignore the spin and the headlines again, and once more rely on the Central Bank of Ireland for some clarity here.
It is estimated that half of those 29,000 will be repossessed. So all that furore up in Roscommon, all the moving parts of that story, the schoolboy debating in the Dáil, the row over who and who isn't explicitly condemning violence, is, you could say, perhaps a distraction from the real issue here.
This isn't just about one eviction in Roscommon, this is about another 15,000 evictions coming down the line.
The alarm bells have been ringing on this for some time.
Reading between lines on our history
"Over half of the cases progressing to long-term arrears [those 29,000 homes] are classified as involving the potential for loss of ownership outcomes," said the Central Bank in its quarterly bulletin on April 10, 2018.
"It is important to understand that loss of ownership may take place in two main ways for PDH [(private dwelling homes] accounts: Voluntary or enforcement."
So far in Ireland, over two-thirds of "loss of ownership" have come about voluntarily, and one-third through repossessions, as we saw in Roscommon last week.
Some more facts: 17% of all long-term mortgage arrears are held by unregulated loan owners, those so-called vulture funds. And God only knows how they will go about getting men, women, and children out from under their roofs.
If these soon-to-be-repossessed 15,000 homes go down the Roscommon route of forced eviction, who is and who isn't condemning violence will be the least of our country's worries.
There are already 10,000 people in homelessness in Ireland. If at least two people live in each of those 15,000 soon-to-be-repossessed properties, does that mean we will see another 30,000 of our citizens being declared as homeless?
It is estimated by some that there may even be three people in each of those homes — not to be alarmist but does that mean another 45,000 people out on the streets or in hubs?
If we already have 10,000 homeless and, worst-case scenario, we add 45,000 others to that, we are looking at being a modern democratic English-speaking first-world country with a homeless population of 55,000 people.
How did we ever end up here?
Eviction, as a solution, does not work. We were telling the English this 160 years ago and now we can't even tell it to ourselves in 2018.
Repossessions lead to homelessness. Homelessness leads to people relying on the State for help. We are the State. What can we do?
We absolutely must make social and affordable housing our country's most important priority, not just in 2019, but for years to come. Our politicians must stop relying on private and accidental landlords to solve the housing crisis.
We must look at long-term tenancies in the form of public housing as a way to live in this State.
We are a most caring nation. But we are a caring nation that has become jaundiced into action-less apathy after years and years of increasing homelessness.
No citizen on this land is comfortable walking past a homeless person on the street.
But underneath that apathy is anger, and that can be turned into action. There are solutions. Approximately three in five people in Austria's capital of Vienna, rich and poor, live in public housing provided and managed entirely by the city.
The solutions are there. We don't need spin and we don't need politicians to be point-scoring in the Dáil.
We need creative thinking, mature politicians, political will, and a return to our country's core values, where no one gets left behind.
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 22, 2018, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on December 22, 2018, 12:00:17 AM
The IT reports,
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/fire-damages-kbc-bank-building-in-dublin-city-centre-1.3739223)
'After the eviction, the security staff stayed on at the property, in an apparent attempt to ensure the house remained in the possession of KBC. But they were attacked in the early hours of Sunday morning by a 20-strong gang armed with a gun and baseball bats.'
Where did the figure of 20 come from? Did someone do a roll call?
And then the IT report that there was a gun.
Is the reported presence of a gun in the ambush an established fact or is the IT just repeating embellished accounts of the incident by the hired security thugs and presenting them as facts , the very same thugs who were caught napping, were outwitted and easily overpowered in the ambush?
If the security guards were easily overpowered, that's probably a pretty good indicator that there were around 20 vigilantes.
The Irish Times presented as fact that there were 20 in the gang, A fact is not some woolly headed interpretation - 'well it's safe to assume there must have been 20 in the attack because they overpowered the security gang'.
Quote
I find it interesting that you call people who were unarmed "thugs", yet are curiously reticent to apportion any such label to those who wielded a gun and baseball bats, set fire to at least five vehicles and killed a dog. And, presumably, the arson attempt in Dublin last night.
I'm interested in accurate reporting and reporting assumptions as established facts is inaccurate low standard reporting. Obviously accurate reporting doesn't concern you as you don't value the wide difference between a fact and connecting random thoughts. Run along Sid and deflect elsewhere.
Instead of asking me, why don't you ring up the Irish Times yourself and ask them how they came to the figure? Better still, why don't contact the reporter involved?
Why did you call the security guards thugs based on no evidence, when you didn't call the people who set fire to at least five vehicles thugs?
Isn't that the very definition of deflection?
Is setting fire to five vehicles thuggery in your book?
What's your theory as to who was responsible for the two attempted arson attacks on KBC branches in Dublin?
Is that thuggery in your book?
Quote from: Itchy on December 22, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-the-roscommon-eviction-is-really-about-893666.html?__twitter_impression=true
There's a reason you're confused about what happened in Strokestown, Co Roscommon, this week. And it's not because you're stupid.
The reason you can't really figure out what happened with the eviction situation up there, and the reason you aren't too sure "who to blame", is because the Government employed the oldest trick in the book: Divide and distract.
It's what politicians do when they're up that faeces-laden creek without a paddle. They start slinging the mud, hoping it will stick in various places, distracting you, the citizen, from the real issue at hand.
As you scrolled on your phone, queuing patiently to pay for your Christmas shopping, you may have read about a dog getting shot. Driving home from work in that heavy traffic, you could have heard about the evicted farmer, who had been informed about the repossession of his property seven times — thanks to unusually generous leaks to the media. And you also could have heard words such as "dissidents" and "thugs".
And then there was the almighty row in the Dáil between the boys in blue on the right, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar flanked by Health Minister Simon Harris, and the boy in green on the left, Sinn Féin's Pearse Doherty.
Mr Varadkar's now famous line to Mr Doherty, "it doesn't take very long for your balaclava to slip", was akin to striking a match to an oil field. It was all you could see, hear, and talk about, commanding metres in column inches and gigahertz in radio waves.
Division complete. Distraction on course. Job pretty much done.
Except it's far, far from done.
Here are some facts — courtesy of the Central Bank of Ireland.
There are 29,000 homes in arrears in Ireland. We are not talking a missed payment here and there. We are talking 29,000 residential mortgages that have "accumulated at least two years worth of missed payments".
OK, so 29,000 homeowners not paying their mortgage, no big deal?
Well, let's ignore the spin and the headlines again, and once more rely on the Central Bank of Ireland for some clarity here.
It is estimated that half of those 29,000 will be repossessed. So all that furore up in Roscommon, all the moving parts of that story, the schoolboy debating in the Dáil, the row over who and who isn't explicitly condemning violence, is, you could say, perhaps a distraction from the real issue here.
This isn't just about one eviction in Roscommon, this is about another 15,000 evictions coming down the line.
The alarm bells have been ringing on this for some time.
Reading between lines on our history
"Over half of the cases progressing to long-term arrears [those 29,000 homes] are classified as involving the potential for loss of ownership outcomes," said the Central Bank in its quarterly bulletin on April 10, 2018.
"It is important to understand that loss of ownership may take place in two main ways for PDH [(private dwelling homes] accounts: Voluntary or enforcement."
So far in Ireland, over two-thirds of "loss of ownership" have come about voluntarily, and one-third through repossessions, as we saw in Roscommon last week.
Some more facts: 17% of all long-term mortgage arrears are held by unregulated loan owners, those so-called vulture funds. And God only knows how they will go about getting men, women, and children out from under their roofs.
If these soon-to-be-repossessed 15,000 homes go down the Roscommon route of forced eviction, who is and who isn't condemning violence will be the least of our country's worries.
There are already 10,000 people in homelessness in Ireland. If at least two people live in each of those 15,000 soon-to-be-repossessed properties, does that mean we will see another 30,000 of our citizens being declared as homeless?
It is estimated by some that there may even be three people in each of those homes — not to be alarmist but does that mean another 45,000 people out on the streets or in hubs?
If we already have 10,000 homeless and, worst-case scenario, we add 45,000 others to that, we are looking at being a modern democratic English-speaking first-world country with a homeless population of 55,000 people.
How did we ever end up here?
Eviction, as a solution, does not work. We were telling the English this 160 years ago and now we can't even tell it to ourselves in 2018.
Repossessions lead to homelessness. Homelessness leads to people relying on the State for help. We are the State. What can we do?
We absolutely must make social and affordable housing our country's most important priority, not just in 2019, but for years to come. Our politicians must stop relying on private and accidental landlords to solve the housing crisis.
We must look at long-term tenancies in the form of public housing as a way to live in this State.
We are a most caring nation. But we are a caring nation that has become jaundiced into action-less apathy after years and years of increasing homelessness.
No citizen on this land is comfortable walking past a homeless person on the street.
But underneath that apathy is anger, and that can be turned into action. There are solutions. Approximately three in five people in Austria's capital of Vienna, rich and poor, live in public housing provided and managed entirely by the city.
The solutions are there. We don't need spin and we don't need politicians to be point-scoring in the Dáil.
We need creative thinking, mature politicians, political will, and a return to our country's core values, where no one gets left behind.
Listen, if you're not paying your mortgage, sad as your circumstances might be, you're going to be evicted. This should not be a surprise and taping it onto some Anti English planter bullshot argument is classic distraction and diversion. This has got to do with paying your bills.
The rental economy is through the roof. Young people can't get on the housing ladder. Maybe if those houses were repossessed it would free up some stock for people who could make a home, start a family and build a life.
Many of these houses that are going to be repossessed are lying empty, there's also a lot them been rented out with the mortgage holder living in places like Canada, USA & Australia with no intention of returning to Ireland raking in the rent money but not paying the mortgage.
Quote from: trailer on December 22, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 22, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-the-roscommon-eviction-is-really-about-893666.html?__twitter_impression=true
There's a reason you're confused about what happened in Strokestown, Co Roscommon, this week. And it's not because you're stupid.
The reason you can't really figure out what happened with the eviction situation up there, and the reason you aren't too sure "who to blame", is because the Government employed the oldest trick in the book: Divide and distract.
It's what politicians do when they're up that faeces-laden creek without a paddle. They start slinging the mud, hoping it will stick in various places, distracting you, the citizen, from the real issue at hand.
As you scrolled on your phone, queuing patiently to pay for your Christmas shopping, you may have read about a dog getting shot. Driving home from work in that heavy traffic, you could have heard about the evicted farmer, who had been informed about the repossession of his property seven times — thanks to unusually generous leaks to the media. And you also could have heard words such as "dissidents" and "thugs".
And then there was the almighty row in the Dáil between the boys in blue on the right, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar flanked by Health Minister Simon Harris, and the boy in green on the left, Sinn Féin's Pearse Doherty.
Mr Varadkar's now famous line to Mr Doherty, "it doesn't take very long for your balaclava to slip", was akin to striking a match to an oil field. It was all you could see, hear, and talk about, commanding metres in column inches and gigahertz in radio waves.
Division complete. Distraction on course. Job pretty much done.
Except it's far, far from done.
Here are some facts — courtesy of the Central Bank of Ireland.
There are 29,000 homes in arrears in Ireland. We are not talking a missed payment here and there. We are talking 29,000 residential mortgages that have "accumulated at least two years worth of missed payments".
OK, so 29,000 homeowners not paying their mortgage, no big deal?
Well, let's ignore the spin and the headlines again, and once more rely on the Central Bank of Ireland for some clarity here.
It is estimated that half of those 29,000 will be repossessed. So all that furore up in Roscommon, all the moving parts of that story, the schoolboy debating in the Dáil, the row over who and who isn't explicitly condemning violence, is, you could say, perhaps a distraction from the real issue here.
This isn't just about one eviction in Roscommon, this is about another 15,000 evictions coming down the line.
The alarm bells have been ringing on this for some time.
Reading between lines on our history
"Over half of the cases progressing to long-term arrears [those 29,000 homes] are classified as involving the potential for loss of ownership outcomes," said the Central Bank in its quarterly bulletin on April 10, 2018.
"It is important to understand that loss of ownership may take place in two main ways for PDH [(private dwelling homes] accounts: Voluntary or enforcement."
So far in Ireland, over two-thirds of "loss of ownership" have come about voluntarily, and one-third through repossessions, as we saw in Roscommon last week.
Some more facts: 17% of all long-term mortgage arrears are held by unregulated loan owners, those so-called vulture funds. And God only knows how they will go about getting men, women, and children out from under their roofs.
If these soon-to-be-repossessed 15,000 homes go down the Roscommon route of forced eviction, who is and who isn't condemning violence will be the least of our country's worries.
There are already 10,000 people in homelessness in Ireland. If at least two people live in each of those 15,000 soon-to-be-repossessed properties, does that mean we will see another 30,000 of our citizens being declared as homeless?
It is estimated by some that there may even be three people in each of those homes — not to be alarmist but does that mean another 45,000 people out on the streets or in hubs?
If we already have 10,000 homeless and, worst-case scenario, we add 45,000 others to that, we are looking at being a modern democratic English-speaking first-world country with a homeless population of 55,000 people.
How did we ever end up here?
Eviction, as a solution, does not work. We were telling the English this 160 years ago and now we can't even tell it to ourselves in 2018.
Repossessions lead to homelessness. Homelessness leads to people relying on the State for help. We are the State. What can we do?
We absolutely must make social and affordable housing our country's most important priority, not just in 2019, but for years to come. Our politicians must stop relying on private and accidental landlords to solve the housing crisis.
We must look at long-term tenancies in the form of public housing as a way to live in this State.
We are a most caring nation. But we are a caring nation that has become jaundiced into action-less apathy after years and years of increasing homelessness.
No citizen on this land is comfortable walking past a homeless person on the street.
But underneath that apathy is anger, and that can be turned into action. There are solutions. Approximately three in five people in Austria's capital of Vienna, rich and poor, live in public housing provided and managed entirely by the city.
The solutions are there. We don't need spin and we don't need politicians to be point-scoring in the Dáil.
We need creative thinking, mature politicians, political will, and a return to our country's core values, where no one gets left behind.
Listen, if you're not paying your mortgage, sad as your circumstances might be, you're going to be evicted. This should not be a surprise and taping it onto some Anti English planter bullshot argument is classic distraction and diversion. This has got to do with paying your bills.
The rental economy is through the roof. Young people can't get on the housing ladder. Maybe if those houses were repossessed it would free up some stock for people who could make a home, start a family and build a life.
I'm sure every English landlord in the famine said the same. Wise the f**k up.
Did the O'Donnells of Vico Road invoke the famine too or is it just the supporters of these chancers?
Lovely little family house up the road from us owned by the bank since 2010 or 2011
Nothing done with it since.
It's starting to go into disappear for need of maintenance
And yet all those families homeless around the country
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 23, 2018, 12:22:04 AM
Lovely little family house up the road from us owned by the bank since 2010 or 2011
Nothing done with it since.
It's starting to go into disappear for need of maintenance
And yet all those families homeless around the country
Plenty people living in 4 bedroom houses and only using two bedrooms! Have you any room?
Quote from: Itchy on December 22, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 22, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 22, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-the-roscommon-eviction-is-really-about-893666.html?__twitter_impression=true
There's a reason you're confused about what happened in Strokestown, Co Roscommon, this week. And it's not because you're stupid.
The reason you can't really figure out what happened with the eviction situation up there, and the reason you aren't too sure "who to blame", is because the Government employed the oldest trick in the book: Divide and distract.
It's what politicians do when they're up that faeces-laden creek without a paddle. They start slinging the mud, hoping it will stick in various places, distracting you, the citizen, from the real issue at hand.
As you scrolled on your phone, queuing patiently to pay for your Christmas shopping, you may have read about a dog getting shot. Driving home from work in that heavy traffic, you could have heard about the evicted farmer, who had been informed about the repossession of his property seven times — thanks to unusually generous leaks to the media. And you also could have heard words such as "dissidents" and "thugs".
And then there was the almighty row in the Dáil between the boys in blue on the right, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar flanked by Health Minister Simon Harris, and the boy in green on the left, Sinn Féin's Pearse Doherty.
Mr Varadkar's now famous line to Mr Doherty, "it doesn't take very long for your balaclava to slip", was akin to striking a match to an oil field. It was all you could see, hear, and talk about, commanding metres in column inches and gigahertz in radio waves.
Division complete. Distraction on course. Job pretty much done.
Except it's far, far from done.
Here are some facts — courtesy of the Central Bank of Ireland.
There are 29,000 homes in arrears in Ireland. We are not talking a missed payment here and there. We are talking 29,000 residential mortgages that have "accumulated at least two years worth of missed payments".
OK, so 29,000 homeowners not paying their mortgage, no big deal?
Well, let's ignore the spin and the headlines again, and once more rely on the Central Bank of Ireland for some clarity here.
It is estimated that half of those 29,000 will be repossessed. So all that furore up in Roscommon, all the moving parts of that story, the schoolboy debating in the Dáil, the row over who and who isn't explicitly condemning violence, is, you could say, perhaps a distraction from the real issue here.
This isn't just about one eviction in Roscommon, this is about another 15,000 evictions coming down the line.
The alarm bells have been ringing on this for some time.
Reading between lines on our history
"Over half of the cases progressing to long-term arrears [those 29,000 homes] are classified as involving the potential for loss of ownership outcomes," said the Central Bank in its quarterly bulletin on April 10, 2018.
"It is important to understand that loss of ownership may take place in two main ways for PDH [(private dwelling homes] accounts: Voluntary or enforcement."
So far in Ireland, over two-thirds of "loss of ownership" have come about voluntarily, and one-third through repossessions, as we saw in Roscommon last week.
Some more facts: 17% of all long-term mortgage arrears are held by unregulated loan owners, those so-called vulture funds. And God only knows how they will go about getting men, women, and children out from under their roofs.
If these soon-to-be-repossessed 15,000 homes go down the Roscommon route of forced eviction, who is and who isn't condemning violence will be the least of our country's worries.
There are already 10,000 people in homelessness in Ireland. If at least two people live in each of those 15,000 soon-to-be-repossessed properties, does that mean we will see another 30,000 of our citizens being declared as homeless?
It is estimated by some that there may even be three people in each of those homes — not to be alarmist but does that mean another 45,000 people out on the streets or in hubs?
If we already have 10,000 homeless and, worst-case scenario, we add 45,000 others to that, we are looking at being a modern democratic English-speaking first-world country with a homeless population of 55,000 people.
How did we ever end up here?
Eviction, as a solution, does not work. We were telling the English this 160 years ago and now we can't even tell it to ourselves in 2018.
Repossessions lead to homelessness. Homelessness leads to people relying on the State for help. We are the State. What can we do?
We absolutely must make social and affordable housing our country's most important priority, not just in 2019, but for years to come. Our politicians must stop relying on private and accidental landlords to solve the housing crisis.
We must look at long-term tenancies in the form of public housing as a way to live in this State.
We are a most caring nation. But we are a caring nation that has become jaundiced into action-less apathy after years and years of increasing homelessness.
No citizen on this land is comfortable walking past a homeless person on the street.
But underneath that apathy is anger, and that can be turned into action. There are solutions. Approximately three in five people in Austria's capital of Vienna, rich and poor, live in public housing provided and managed entirely by the city.
The solutions are there. We don't need spin and we don't need politicians to be point-scoring in the Dáil.
We need creative thinking, mature politicians, political will, and a return to our country's core values, where no one gets left behind.
Listen, if you're not paying your mortgage, sad as your circumstances might be, you're going to be evicted. This should not be a surprise and taping it onto some Anti English planter bullshot argument is classic distraction and diversion. This has got to do with paying your bills.
The rental economy is through the roof. Young people can't get on the housing ladder. Maybe if those houses were repossessed it would free up some stock for people who could make a home, start a family and build a life.
I'm sure every English landlord in the famine said the same. Wise the f**k up.
Great article, Itchy.
The mortgage arrears issue is not going to get better by itself
This is now a political issue. 29000 people with non performing mortgages is equivalent to about one and a half TDs.
It is a huge number of people even ignoring their families
There is eviction and eviction.
People not paying when they can afford it, should be evicted.
People living in flash houses should move to a more modest one, if they cannot afford it.
In the case of a more modest dwelling then there should have been a scheme of rental, via the council if necessary.
There's no country like us for pulling up the ladder on the ones below us.drives me mad.the 26 got independence using the same methods that 50 years later northerners used,yet the boys in '19 to '21 are a great bunch of lads and then the boys in the north are 'terrorists'.
We leave our shores in the tens of thousands for every decade in living memory,looking for employment and to send a few quid home to Ireland.yet when some fellas from Eastern Europe come here and do the exact same thing,we ape the very worst xenophobic traits the English displayed towards ourselves which we've complained about since.
This thread has shown me that the tactics of the banks and the super rich will always prevail.always!instead of asking why so many are finding themselves in these circumstances,we blame them.yet don't give a shite that the biggest tax dodgers of all get away Scott free,and we continuously vote in a spineless shower of shite who let them.
Quote from: Itchy on December 22, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 22, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 22, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/what-the-roscommon-eviction-is-really-about-893666.html?__twitter_impression=true
There's a reason you're confused about what happened in Strokestown, Co Roscommon, this week. And it's not because you're stupid.
The reason you can't really figure out what happened with the eviction situation up there, and the reason you aren't too sure "who to blame", is because the Government employed the oldest trick in the book: Divide and distract.
It's what politicians do when they're up that faeces-laden creek without a paddle. They start slinging the mud, hoping it will stick in various places, distracting you, the citizen, from the real issue at hand.
As you scrolled on your phone, queuing patiently to pay for your Christmas shopping, you may have read about a dog getting shot. Driving home from work in that heavy traffic, you could have heard about the evicted farmer, who had been informed about the repossession of his property seven times — thanks to unusually generous leaks to the media. And you also could have heard words such as "dissidents" and "thugs".
And then there was the almighty row in the Dáil between the boys in blue on the right, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar flanked by Health Minister Simon Harris, and the boy in green on the left, Sinn Féin's Pearse Doherty.
Mr Varadkar's now famous line to Mr Doherty, "it doesn't take very long for your balaclava to slip", was akin to striking a match to an oil field. It was all you could see, hear, and talk about, commanding metres in column inches and gigahertz in radio waves.
Division complete. Distraction on course. Job pretty much done.
Except it's far, far from done.
Here are some facts — courtesy of the Central Bank of Ireland.
There are 29,000 homes in arrears in Ireland. We are not talking a missed payment here and there. We are talking 29,000 residential mortgages that have "accumulated at least two years worth of missed payments".
OK, so 29,000 homeowners not paying their mortgage, no big deal?
Well, let's ignore the spin and the headlines again, and once more rely on the Central Bank of Ireland for some clarity here.
It is estimated that half of those 29,000 will be repossessed. So all that furore up in Roscommon, all the moving parts of that story, the schoolboy debating in the Dáil, the row over who and who isn't explicitly condemning violence, is, you could say, perhaps a distraction from the real issue here.
This isn't just about one eviction in Roscommon, this is about another 15,000 evictions coming down the line.
The alarm bells have been ringing on this for some time.
Reading between lines on our history
"Over half of the cases progressing to long-term arrears [those 29,000 homes] are classified as involving the potential for loss of ownership outcomes," said the Central Bank in its quarterly bulletin on April 10, 2018.
"It is important to understand that loss of ownership may take place in two main ways for PDH [(private dwelling homes] accounts: Voluntary or enforcement."
So far in Ireland, over two-thirds of "loss of ownership" have come about voluntarily, and one-third through repossessions, as we saw in Roscommon last week.
Some more facts: 17% of all long-term mortgage arrears are held by unregulated loan owners, those so-called vulture funds. And God only knows how they will go about getting men, women, and children out from under their roofs.
If these soon-to-be-repossessed 15,000 homes go down the Roscommon route of forced eviction, who is and who isn't condemning violence will be the least of our country's worries.
There are already 10,000 people in homelessness in Ireland. If at least two people live in each of those 15,000 soon-to-be-repossessed properties, does that mean we will see another 30,000 of our citizens being declared as homeless?
It is estimated by some that there may even be three people in each of those homes — not to be alarmist but does that mean another 45,000 people out on the streets or in hubs?
If we already have 10,000 homeless and, worst-case scenario, we add 45,000 others to that, we are looking at being a modern democratic English-speaking first-world country with a homeless population of 55,000 people.
How did we ever end up here?
Eviction, as a solution, does not work. We were telling the English this 160 years ago and now we can't even tell it to ourselves in 2018.
Repossessions lead to homelessness. Homelessness leads to people relying on the State for help. We are the State. What can we do?
We absolutely must make social and affordable housing our country's most important priority, not just in 2019, but for years to come. Our politicians must stop relying on private and accidental landlords to solve the housing crisis.
We must look at long-term tenancies in the form of public housing as a way to live in this State.
We are a most caring nation. But we are a caring nation that has become jaundiced into action-less apathy after years and years of increasing homelessness.
No citizen on this land is comfortable walking past a homeless person on the street.
But underneath that apathy is anger, and that can be turned into action. There are solutions. Approximately three in five people in Austria's capital of Vienna, rich and poor, live in public housing provided and managed entirely by the city.
The solutions are there. We don't need spin and we don't need politicians to be point-scoring in the Dáil.
We need creative thinking, mature politicians, political will, and a return to our country's core values, where no one gets left behind.
Listen, if you're not paying your mortgage, sad as your circumstances might be, you're going to be evicted. This should not be a surprise and taping it onto some Anti English planter bullshot argument is classic distraction and diversion. This has got to do with paying your bills.
The rental economy is through the roof. Young people can't get on the housing ladder. Maybe if those houses were repossessed it would free up some stock for people who could make a home, start a family and build a life.
I'm sure every English landlord in the famine said the same. Wise the f**k up.
This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with English landlords and the famine. This is to do with taking out a loan to buy property then not keeping your end of the bargain and repaying the money you borrowed. That are the facts and they are undisputed.
Only in Ireland would you be expected to not pay your mortgage and keep your house. A ludicrous situation.
There's likely more than one party to blame here.
Responsible finance should be central to all such cases. If the broker or the lender have acted irresponsibly then the family home should not be taken away.
Sorry Trailer but during the famine Irish people had lease agreements with their landlords. If they couldn't pay as per terms of the agreement they were put out. Sure no one forced them to sign up. It was perfectly legal for them to be put out on the side of the road by force.
I used to get letters in the post with pre approved loans up to 50k without ever asking for money. Ever gobshite thought they were a big shot property developer. The government and banks conned people into this and now they want the same people fucked out on the side of the road.
I don't think anyone doesn't apportion some blame to the banks/lenders but to go back to the famine times is daft, yes the process is the same, can't pay up eviction notice given, but this guy is completely different, 800,000K over 9 years was it?
Ones being evicted won't die in a matter of months like they did during the famine, they could be re housed in s council estate after a period of time
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2018, 10:08:06 AM
I don't think anyone doesn't apportion some blame to the banks/lenders but to go back to the famine times is daft, yes the process is the same, can't pay up eviction notice given, but this guy is completely different, 800,000K over 9 years was it?
Ones being evicted won't die in a matter of months like they did during the famine, they could be re housed in s council estate after a period of time
There is a huge shortage of housing, that's the issue and the central argument of the article I pasted in
Exactly.
It's not as if Ros Co Co has 30 or 40 empty houses and no waiting list!
Anyway by not sticking to legal process (contempt if court e.g) and sending in the heavies to use force* the Bank has lost the high moral ground and opened the door for the person's unknown to respond with greater force.
* chucking 3 old timers out of a house 2 weeks before Christmas made it even worse.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 23, 2018, 10:46:06 AM
Exactly.
It's not as if Ros Co Co has 30 or 40 empty houses and no waiting list!
Anyway by not sticking to legal process (contempt if court e.g) and sending in the heavies to use force* the Bank has lost the high moral ground and opened the door for the person's unknown to respond with greater force.
* chucking 3 old timers out of a house 2 weeks before Christmas made it even worse.
So what time frame would you find acceptable for someone not paying their mortgage to getting kicked out? 12 missed payments? Or even 24 missed payments?
I'm completely coming at this from a very personal experience involving my parents, so I've every sympathy in the world for people put in a position, but bad calls or poor judgement doesn't mean you stay in a house rent free
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2018, 12:36:47 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 23, 2018, 12:22:04 AM
Lovely little family house up the road from us owned by the bank since 2010 or 2011
Nothing done with it since.
It's starting to go into disappear for need of maintenance
And yet all those families homeless around the country
Plenty people living in 4 bedroom houses and only using two bedrooms! Have you any room?
Actually no
We've a 2 bedroom house
Quote from: east down gael on December 23, 2018, 03:15:40 AM
There's no country like us for pulling up the ladder on the ones below us.drives me mad.the 26 got independence using the same methods that 50 years later northerners used,yet the boys in '19 to '21 are a great bunch of lads and then the boys in the north are 'terrorists'.
We leave our shores in the tens of thousands for every decade in living memory,looking for employment and to send a few quid home to Ireland.yet when some fellas from Eastern Europe come here and do the exact same thing,we ape the very worst xenophobic traits the English displayed towards ourselves which we've complained about since.
This thread has shown me that the tactics of the banks and the super rich will always prevail.always!instead of asking why so many are finding themselves in these circumstances,we blame them.yet don't give a shite that the biggest tax dodgers of all get away Scott free,and we continuously vote in a spineless shower of shite who let them.
What's wrong with the lads from Poland and Latvia,
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? Bastard banks.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? b**tard banks.
I've yet to read anything in support of these chancers other than incoherent, nonsensical rants with vague, confused appeals to right-wing, ultra-nationalist emotion such as this.
Personal accountability isn't a right-wing construct.
Protest in Strokestown today hijacked by Shinners.
Eugene Murphy local man and FF TD heckled and booed and not allowed finish his speech.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 23, 2018, 05:34:31 PM
Protest in Strokestown today hijacked by Shinners.
Eugene Murphy local man and FF TD heckled and booed and not allowed finish his speech.
Sinn Fein. The party of Law and Order. Lol
Think it was RSF Henry Owens who organised it but all the local politicians tripping over themselves to speak " compassionately "
Eugene Murphy ( and I don't rate Him as a public rep at all) i feel is trying to act in famly best interest but at this stage the family are nearly a side show. They should have st least met David Hall when he travelled down
In a way its clever what SF are trying to do. Link it back to some English Evictions 150 or 60 odd years ago. Stir up some ancient feelings. A lot of people falling for it. Including some on this board. Similar to what UK and BNP do in the UK. Linking things back to ancient England spirit of the blitz etc. Same ideas. Amazing that people still fall for it.
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? b**tard banks.
I've yet to read anything in support of these chancers other than incoherent, nonsensical rants with vague, confused appeals to right-wing, ultra-nationalist emotion such as this.
That's because people like you hear what you want to hear. Nasty bit of stuff you are too.
Quote from: trailer on December 23, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
In a way its clever what SF are trying to do. Link it back to some English Evictions 150 or 60 odd years ago. Stir up some ancient feelings. A lot of people falling for it. Including some on this board. Similar to what UK and BNP do in the UK. Linking things back to ancient England spirit of the blitz etc. Same ideas. Amazing that people still fall for it.
People are told what to do by the populist media. Two votes on the Lisbon treaty and recent referendums. Now another scare campaign to get the Brits to re think Brexit.
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? b**tard banks.
I've yet to read anything in support of these chancers other than incoherent, nonsensical rants with vague, confused appeals to right-wing, ultra-nationalist emotion such as this.
That's because people like you hear what you want to hear. Nasty bit of stuff you are too.
If you think I'm a nasty bit of stuff, I'd love to know what you make of people wielding baseball bats, setting fire to vehicles, killing dogs and attempting arson.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
Personal accountability isn't a right-wing construct.
I'd say I'm about as left-wing a poster as there is on forum.
I know who's not taking personal responsibility in this case, and they ain't left wingers.
Fanatical right wing nationalism is about as far away from left-wing as it gets.
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 23, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
In a way its clever what SF are trying to do. Link it back to some English Evictions 150 or 60 odd years ago. Stir up some ancient feelings. A lot of people falling for it. Including some on this board. Similar to what UK and BNP do in the UK. Linking things back to ancient England spirit of the blitz etc. Same ideas. Amazing that people still fall for it.
People are told what to do by the populist media. Two votes on the Lisbon treaty and recent referendums. Now another scare campaign to get the Brits to re think Brexit.
'Tis fascinating to see the overlap between the Little Englanders and the Little Irelanders. It's almost like they'd love nothing more than to be together in one
great United Kingdom
again.
I have no interest protesting for people unable to make halfways decent financial decisions. It's not as bad as the Ulster lads parading for Sean Quinn a few years back but today's protest in Strokestown wasn't much better.
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 23, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
In a way its clever what SF are trying to do. Link it back to some English Evictions 150 or 60 odd years ago. Stir up some ancient feelings. A lot of people falling for it. Including some on this board. Similar to what UK and BNP do in the UK. Linking things back to ancient England spirit of the blitz etc. Same ideas. Amazing that people still fall for it.
People are told what to do by the populist media. Two votes on the Lisbon treaty and recent referendums. Now another scare campaign to get the Brits to re think Brexit.
In regards to the Lisbon Treaty, what was the specific reason you voted against it and was it the same reason you voted against it twice?
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? b**tard banks.
I've yet to read anything in support of these chancers other than incoherent, nonsensical rants with vague, confused appeals to right-wing, ultra-nationalist emotion such as this.
That's because people like you hear what you want to hear. Nasty bit of stuff you are too.
If you think I'm a nasty bit of stuff, I'd love to know what you make of people wielding baseball bats, setting fire to vehicles, killing dogs and attempting arson.
I have zero time for them and when if found guilty should meet the full rigours of the law. In this particular thread I can see both sides of the argument. This is not black and white. Don't like the idea of people not having sympathy for the 2 innocents in this eviction case.
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 23, 2018, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 23, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
In a way its clever what SF are trying to do. Link it back to some English Evictions 150 or 60 odd years ago. Stir up some ancient feelings. A lot of people falling for it. Including some on this board. Similar to what UK and BNP do in the UK. Linking things back to ancient England spirit of the blitz etc. Same ideas. Amazing that people still fall for it.
People are told what to do by the populist media. Two votes on the Lisbon treaty and recent referendums. Now another scare campaign to get the Brits to re think Brexit.
In regards to the Lisbon Treaty, what was the specific reason you voted against it and was it the same reason you voted against it twice?
Never said I voted against it. Just remember the Monday after the ref. listening to a dj on 2fm peddling a very negative scenorio following the no vote. Numerous add campaigns followed thereafter. Apologies to my fellow county man for deviating from thread topic.
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? b**tard banks.
I've yet to read anything in support of these chancers other than incoherent, nonsensical rants with vague, confused appeals to right-wing, ultra-nationalist emotion such as this.
That's because people like you hear what you want to hear. Nasty bit of stuff you are too.
If you think I'm a nasty bit of stuff, I'd love to know what you make of people wielding baseball bats, setting fire to vehicles, killing dogs and attempting arson.
I have zero time for them and when if found guilty should meet the full rigours of the law. In this particular thread I can see both sides of the argument. This is not black and white. Don't like the idea of people not having sympathy for the 2 innocents in this eviction case.
I can't imagine anyone wants to see some oul pair lashed out on the street but that's the consequence of not paying your debts. As has been said repeatedly on this thread, the people in question have been avoiding the inevitable for up to 10 years. Do you think it is reasonable for a bank to give over hundreds of thousands to someone and not expect it paid back?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Rudi on December 23, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 23, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 23, 2018, 01:09:22 PM
Live within your means....plain and simple. Never mind about keeping up with the 'Jones'.
Yep. Plenty of these bleating cnuts in the south who are up to their necks were happy to reap the rewards when the going was good. The poor man wasnt given a second thought in the race for more of everything. The banks were great fellas giving cheap credit to allow you to live like a king. Oh the market has changed and you now can't afford to live like a king. Any chance of a handout? b**tard banks.
I've yet to read anything in support of these chancers other than incoherent, nonsensical rants with vague, confused appeals to right-wing, ultra-nationalist emotion such as this.
That's because people like you hear what you want to hear. Nasty bit of stuff you are too.
If you think I'm a nasty bit of stuff, I'd love to know what you make of people wielding baseball bats, setting fire to vehicles, killing dogs and attempting arson.
I have zero time for them and when if found guilty should meet the full rigours of the law. In this particular thread I can see both sides of the argument. This is not black and white. Don't like the idea of people not having sympathy for the 2 innocents in this eviction case.
I can't imagine anyone wants to see some oul pair lashed out on the street but that's the consequence of not paying your debts. As has been said repeatedly on this thread, the people in question have been avoiding the inevitable for up to 10 years. Do you think it is reasonable for a bank to give over hundreds of thousands to someone and not expect it paid back?
The brother and sister did not incur any debts it was the other brother who took out a loan for land and used the house as collateral. Agree that loans have to be paid back and if not need to be re negotiated or occupants walk away after a pre defined time frame. Problem people have is banks needed bail outs themselves and acted reckless during the boom, often giving loans to people's who had little chance of ever paying back.
So I'm still waiting on a reasonable timeframe of when people should be evicted! Is it after 12 missed payments or 24? It shouldn't be 120 missed payments though
Haha....I saw Maura Harrington was in great form in Strokestown today
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2018, 11:57:28 PM
So I'm still waiting on a reasonable timeframe of when people should be evicted! Is it after 12 missed payments or 24? It shouldn't be 120 missed payments though
If you owe mortgage arrears to the bank you have a problem
If 29,000 people are insolvent the Government has a problem
https://youtu.be/TLGWQfK-6DY
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2018, 11:57:28 PM
So I'm still waiting on a reasonable timeframe of when people should be evicted! Is it after 12 missed payments or 24? It shouldn't be 120 missed payments though
I think 24 months is a reasonable amount of time to find gainful employment and start paying it
Most people if they got into trouble would go into the bank and look for renegotiation, a period paying interest only or some other arrangement to give them breathing space
McCann has basically been stealing from the bank for 10 years
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 24, 2018, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2018, 11:57:28 PM
So I'm still waiting on a reasonable timeframe of when people should be evicted! Is it after 12 missed payments or 24? It shouldn't be 120 missed payments though
I think 24 months is a reasonable amount of time to find gainful employment and start paying it
Most people if they got into trouble would go into the bank and look for renegotiation, a period paying interest only or some other arrangement to give them breathing space
McCann has basically been stealing from the bank for 10 years
2 years is a lot in fairness but reasonable enough as you say to get employment.. but 10 years is taking the piss and the bank on this occasion was right to take back their property, they did though go about that part, completely wrong..
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 23, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
Personal accountability isn't a right-wing construct.
That's the thing.
These big Corporate Banks and their capitalist backers are all great and good into the Market Economy when it's in its favour, but when the shit hit the fan the Irish tax payer ended up having to step up and bail these f**kers out.
The Irish Government (read taxpayer) should have let at least one of these institutions go to the wall and take their bond holders with them.
That way the others may have thought twice about the recklessness of their actions.
There was no accountability, personal or otherwise there for the white collar lads and if Drum isn't out in a year or less then it would be a pleasant surprise.
Johnny the rights or wrongs of the banks has got nothing to do with it. It's the height of Irish bolloxology and the sort of shite you see on Facebook etc. for likes. We're not paying for water, sure it rains all year. It's absolute garbage and unfortunately the culture of chancing your arm and getting what you can for free is ingrained in society here.
You take out a mortgage or a loan, you pay it back. That's a principle as old as the hills and it's what you sign on the dotted line for. IF the bank breach that contract then they should be held accountable.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 24, 2018, 01:03:30 PM
Johnny the rights or wrongs of the banks has got nothing to do with it. It's the height of Irish bolloxology and the sort of shite you see on Facebook etc. for likes. We're not paying for water, sure it rains all year. It's absolute garbage and unfortunately the culture of chancing your arm and getting what you can for free is ingrained in society here.
You take out a mortgage or a loan, you pay it back. That's a principle as old as the hills and it's what you sign on the dotted line for. IF the bank breach that contract then they should be held accountable.
Your investments may go up as well as down but that didn't seem to be the case with bondholders when the Banks had lent themselves into oblivion.
The taxpayers bailed them out for some greater good, but I'm not so sure if that was the case.
There was no accountability there and I do agree with what you are saying but the big man also needs to play by these same rules.
It's easy enough to make a case that the McGann fella should be slung out on his ear; he owes the money and he is way behind with the repayments so the poor bank is entitled to looking for its money and sure, who can blame KBC or any other financial institution looking for its pound of flesh money back.
It that was the full story, it would be hard to make a case for leniency for Anthony McGann. Pity about his brother and sister that they got in the way of the bank's agents as they went about their job but that was just their bad luck. Tough shit and all that.
That bucko that borrowed the money knew there would be a payback time and he can't blame anybody else for his misfortune, can he?
But I don't think that's the full story, not by a long way.
I read an article by one of the feature writers for the Irish Times last week where I learned that up to 30,000 mortgage holders are in arrears with their repayments and around half of that number will have their homes taken from them - all done by the book of course.
Now, it's fair to say that some people will always default on their repayments but 30,000 of them, all at the same time and that's not including those who have been thrown out of their homes already or those who are stretched to the limit keeping up with their repayments.
So what happens to the McGanns when KBC regains possession of their home?
They will be made homeless for starters and that means the taxpayers will have to foot the cost of housing them somewhere. We are going through the greatest homelessness crisis in the state's history and it's steadily getting worse.
Back in the Celtic Tiger days, Bertie and his colleagues went about lowering taxes and raising wages without a bother- the good times were always going to keep coming and FG/Labour matched them stroke for stroke.
"The boom's just got boomier," was what he said one day to his critics: spend away and be damned.
Another time he told an opposition TD to go away and commit suicide when he dared question Bertie's policies. Charlie McCreevy got packed off to Europe when he urged his colleagues to slow down as the economy was overheating.
The financial regulator stood idly by a the banks and other lending institutions got in on the act and started lending money at exorbitant rates to just about anyone who passed by their front doors. The Central Bank raised no concerns either.
The good times would never end so borrow away and be damned was the attitude of politicians and bankers alike.
So between their own avarice and the banks willingness to allow mortgage seekers to falsify their income when applying for mortgages, many otherwise sane people wound up in the situation where they find themselves today- either homeless or just waiting for the grippers breaking their doors down and fecking them out on the street.
When that happens, women, children', oul' wans and young wans, get turfed out also and all the while, vulture fund operators are getting ready to pounce. They hardly act out of concern for the common good.
The government is of no fecking use either. FG has been in office for the last seven years and they have managed to make a bigger mess out of housing and health and just about everything else than Bertie in his most profligate days was able to achieve.
Am I the only one to foresee disaster looming up ahead?
Don't think Leo is up to the task somehow so basically we are fucked!
Quote from: johnnycool on December 24, 2018, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 24, 2018, 01:03:30 PM
Johnny the rights or wrongs of the banks has got nothing to do with it. It's the height of Irish bolloxology and the sort of shite you see on Facebook etc. for likes. We're not paying for water, sure it rains all year. It's absolute garbage and unfortunately the culture of chancing your arm and getting what you can for free is ingrained in society here.
You take out a mortgage or a loan, you pay it back. That's a principle as old as the hills and it's what you sign on the dotted line for. IF the bank breach that contract then they should be held accountable.
Your investments may go up as well as down but that didn't seem to be the case with bondholders when the Banks had lent themselves into oblivion.
The taxpayers bailed them out for some greater good, but I'm not so sure if that was the case.
There was no accountability there and I do agree with what you are saying but the big man also needs to play by these same rules.
There is no doubt the taxpayers got rode and what should have happened was to take the banks apart and re-structure them properly as well as dropping a few boys off at Mountjoy, but that doesn't mean the man in the street gets a free pass. If I'm paying my mortgage every other hoor can pay theirs too ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 24, 2018, 01:10:01 PM
I read an article by one of the feature writers for the Irish Times last week where I learned that up to 30,000 mortgage holders are in arrears with their repayments and around half of that number will have their homes taken from them - all done by the book of course.
Now, it's fair to say that some people will always default on their repayments but 30,000 of them, all at the same time and that's not including those who have been thrown out of their homes already or those who are stretched to the limit keeping up with their repayments.
So what happens to the McGanns when KBC regains possession of their home?
They will be made homeless for starters and that means the taxpayers will have to foot the cost of housing them somewhere. We are going through the greatest homelessness crisis in the state's history and it's steadily getting worse.
That last 30k of people are made up of a huge proportion of non-engagers and strategic defaulters. There are people who haven't made a repayment in 10 years and I'd assume the smart ones have been putting aside a cash nest egg for when they finally get repossessed. About 115k of people are in some sort of arrears but have come to arrangment with their banks. These are people trying to do the right thing and pay what they can.
Also, when a house gets repossessed there is the possibility for it to be sold on to someone else. It isn't a straight addition to the homelss list and the house doesn't disappear. There are some folks who don't even live in the country any more and have left empty properties behind with arrears building up.
The argument seems to be that because banks were bailed out and are bo11ixes, then mortgage payments should be optional and you can keep your home regardless. Unfortunately the next bank bailout will be about 5 times bigger than the last one if that takes root. Everyone, myself included, would stop paying their mortgages and let that nice man called General Taxation sort it out. He already pays for that garden sprinkler I'm able to keep running day and night in summer time.
Like every body else I am paying a mortgage! I little sympathy for person in question, u know the terms when u sign it up! Very little said about the utter sc**bag who took an axe to a dog! He the real degenerate here!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 24, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Like every body else I am paying a mortgage! I little sympathy for person in question, u know the terms when u sign it up! Very little said about the utter sc**bag who took an axe to a dog! He the real degenerate here!!
I'd like to take an axe to that bastard!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 24, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Like every body else I am paying a mortgage! I little sympathy for person in question, u know the terms when u sign it up! Very little said about the utter sc**bag who took an axe to a dog! He the real degenerate here!!
Then we have people who care more for the treatment of a dog over a person. Do you think the dog was a family pet the "security" team had with them or a trained guard dog ready to rip a trespasser apart?
Quote from: Itchy on December 24, 2018, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 24, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Like every body else I am paying a mortgage! I little sympathy for person in question, u know the terms when u sign it up! Very little said about the utter sc**bag who took an axe to a dog! He the real degenerate here!!
Then we have people who care more for the treatment of a dog over a person. Do you think the dog was a family pet the "security" team had with them or a trained guard dog ready to rip a trespasser apart?
It wouldn't be Christmas without Itchy and his classic terrible takes.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 24, 2018, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 24, 2018, 01:10:01 PM
I read an article by one of the feature writers for the Irish Times last week where I learned that up to 30,000 mortgage holders are in arrears with their repayments and around half of that number will have their homes taken from them - all done by the book of course.
Now, it's fair to say that some people will always default on their repayments but 30,000 of them, all at the same time and that's not including those who have been thrown out of their homes already or those who are stretched to the limit keeping up with their repayments.
So what happens to the McGanns when KBC regains possession of their home?
They will be made homeless for starters and that means the taxpayers will have to foot the cost of housing them somewhere. We are going through the greatest homelessness crisis in the state's history and it's steadily getting worse.
That last 30k of people are made up of a huge proportion of non-engagers and strategic defaulters. There are people who haven't made a repayment in 10 years and I'd assume the smart ones have been putting aside a cash nest egg for when they finally get repossessed. About 115k of people are in some sort of arrears but have come to arrangment with their banks. These are people trying to do the right thing and pay what they can.
Also, when a house gets repossessed there is the possibility for it to be sold on to someone else. It isn't a straight addition to the homelss list and the house doesn't disappear. There are some folks who don't even live in the country any more and have left empty properties behind with arrears building up.
The argument seems to be that because banks were bailed out and are bo11ixes, then mortgage payments should be optional and you can keep your home regardless. Unfortunately the next bank bailout will be about 5 times bigger than the last one if that takes root. Everyone, myself included, would stop paying their mortgages and let that nice man called General Taxation sort it out. He already pays for that garden sprinkler I'm able to keep running day and night in summer time.
That's all fair enough; there is little or nothing that I can't agree with. Just a matter of emphasis in places.
"That last 30k of people are made up of a huge proportion of non-engagers and strategic defaulters." That certainly is open for debate. It would seem that there are some who are making no effort to repay their loans in whole or in part but I haven't met a single individual yet who took out a mortgage, intending to default at the first opportunity.
LIke the rest of us, they have been hit with extra taxation in order to repay the debts incurred by the banks and other institutions who in turn believed their own hype and borrowed recklessly all around them. All the while they are obliged to repay the money they borrowed from the same banks.
If a house is repossessed, the odds on it being sold on, especially in rural areas, are pretty slim- at least in the short term.From what I hear, vulture fund operators are buying up distressed mortgages but appear to be holding onto their acquisitions.
They are not making them available for social housing and that's for sure. Whatever their motives and I'm sure they are not thinking of the common good,there are, and will be, problems for the taxpayer.
Quote from: Syferus on December 24, 2018, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 24, 2018, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 24, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Like every body else I am paying a mortgage! I little sympathy for person in question, u know the terms when u sign it up! Very little said about the utter sc**bag who took an axe to a dog! He the real degenerate here!!
Then we have people who care more for the treatment of a dog over a person. Do you think the dog was a family pet the "security" team had with them or a trained guard dog ready to rip a trespasser apart?
It wouldn't be Christmas without Itchy and his classic terrible takes.
Not tonight lad
:Did anybody put an axe in a person? Must missed that p***k!
Brian Brou was killed with an Axe a while back ;)
https://youtu.be/HE_Y40hjWao
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 25, 2018, 08:21:55 PM
:Did anybody put an axe in a person? Must missed that p***k!
Are you calling me a p***k, just to clarify?
A buck from Donegal charged tonight and remanded in custody.
5 Traveller families with "up to" 30 children are due to be evicted by Dublin County Council from a primitive site in Clondalkin.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/weve-nowhere-to-go-travellers-in-standoff-37704100.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/weve-nowhere-to-go-travellers-in-standoff-37704100.html)
Bernadette McDonagh, a mother of five, said her children range in age from 15 down to nine.
"We can't go out on the road and suffer again," she said.
She said that the children were safe at the site, which is self-contained and surrounded by gates, and she added they have nowhere to go.
The 4 men charged with this were up today. Anyone any info how it went
https://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/roscommon/books-evidence-served-four-men-charged-alleged-falsk-violence/
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0728/1396986-strokestown-court/
Lucky? they didn't get consecutive sentences!
It is interesting to read back to the early pages of this thread and see who was cheering on those lads that beat a dog to death and forced a man to eat dog shit.
There is a lot about this that is unsavoury, going back to some of the policies on loans and the delay in getting people out who did not pay. However, I'll bet you that the gurriers in Dublin do not get a sentence anywhere near as long for attacking that tourist who in no way had put himself in opposition to anyone.
Did the bank know the house was going to be re-taken or what?
Is it not strange that a house has these people doing security? I thought the locks on repossessed houses were just changed?
What was different in this case?
These lads seemed to come from all over the place. What is the connection between them?
Quote from: LeoMc on July 29, 2023, 01:08:13 AM
It is interesting to read back to the early pages of this thread and see who was cheering on those lads that beat a dog to death and forced a man to eat dog shit.
They should be done for animal cruelty. I have zero sympathy for the ex UDR soldier and his goons who got beat up that night.
Without knowing the story surely theres levels to abuse/beatings and being made to eat dogshit surely crosses the line of most right thinking individuals
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2023, 07:24:41 AM
Did the bank know the house was going to be re-taken or what?
Is it not strange that a house has these people doing security? I thought the locks on repossessed houses were just changed?
What was different in this case?
These lads seemed to come from all over the place. What is the connection between them?
The UDA/UDR goons had removed the family and a bunch of supporters from the premises for the Bank on foot of Court orders
The attackers weren't a bunch of locals displaying spontaneous anger.
Possibly Land League/Gilroy/yellow vest types.
If they'd any brains they'd have pleaded guilty to some of the lesser charges which might have got them lighter sentences with sone of them suspended.
Quote from: general_lee on July 29, 2023, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on July 29, 2023, 01:08:13 AM
It is interesting to read back to the early pages of this thread and see who was cheering on those lads that beat a dog to death and forced a man to eat dog shit.
They should be done for animal cruelty. I have zero sympathy for the ex UDR soldier and his goons who got beat up that night.
100%
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2023, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2023, 07:24:41 AM
Did the bank know the house was going to be re-taken or what?
Is it not strange that a house has these people doing security? I thought the locks on repossessed houses were just changed?
What was different in this case?
These lads seemed to come from all over the place. What is the connection between them?
The UDA/UDR goons had removed the family and a bunch of supporters from the premises for the Bank on foot of Court orders
The attackers weren't a bunch of locals displaying spontaneous anger.
Possibly Land League/Gilroy/yellow vest types.
If they'd any brains they'd have pleaded guilty to some of the lesser charges which might have got them lighter sentences with sone of them suspended.
Are these lads then a vaild security company or what?
You'd presume they were a legit company.
So, they were just going to sit in the house until it was sold?
Quote from: marty34 on July 29, 2023, 03:17:44 PM
Are these lads then a vaild security company or what?
You'd presume they were a legit company.
So, they were just going to sit in the house until it was sold?
The company were cowboys and were fined for masquerading as security men.
The UDA/UDR gang were a "Security Company" who carried out evictions on behalf of banks or others who had got Court Orders.
They might have been registered in the North and would head back there after they did their dirty work.
They were obviously occupying the site to stop the family or any supporters going back in.