Tomorrow the Dubs will meet a Division 1 team for the first time since relegation. It will be interesting to see how that works out. Roscommon will have prepared well for this one and tomorrow's game is wide open.
From a Dub's point of view we'll hope for the best.
COYBIB
I have a feeling the dubs could win this by five to ten points. Hope I am wrong as I would like to see a tight game.
I'm alternating between 'Oh f***', and 'We can do this'. If we can prevent Dublin getting into sequences where they get 4 or 5 scores in a row, then we could make it interesting. Having just typed that, it looks like blatant stating the obvious, but the key will be keeping Fenton and Kilkenny quiet, without leaving too much space for McCaffrey (presume he's fit?) or the likes. If them two are held in check, it makes minding Mannion and O'Callaghan that bit easier. If they get into a rhythm, any team will suffer, because then every other player is a danger. It's hard to judge where Dublin are relative to the Kildare and Louth games. I can't see us giving up the same amount of scoring opportunities as Louth did, and I think if we get our starting 6 and subs in the forwards right, then we could be right there.
I expect we'll be very defensive early doors, and the first half mightn't make for much of a spectacle, but like a lot of games this year, hopefully the 2nd half takes fire.
Usually with Ros, it's travelling more in hope than expectation, and it's the hope that kills you. It'll either be blown out of the water, or possibly something special and damn the torpedoes!!
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 27, 2023, 04:24:39 PM
I have a feeling the dubs could win this by five to ten points. Hope I am wrong as I would like to see a tight game.
Dublin 1/10 Roscommon 7/1 those odds suggests a 7 to 9 point win for Dublin.
Quote from: Substandard on May 27, 2023, 05:07:57 PM
I'm alternating between 'Oh f***', and 'We can do this'. If we can prevent Dublin getting into sequences where they get 4 or 5 scores in a row, then we could make it interesting. Having just typed that, it looks like blatant stating the obvious, but the key will be keeping Fenton and Kilkenny quiet, without leaving too much space for McCaffrey (presume he's fit?) or the likes. If them two are held in check, it makes minding Mannion and O'Callaghan that bit easier. If they get into a rhythm, any team will suffer, because then every other player is a danger. It's hard to judge where Dublin are relative to the Kildare and Louth games. I can't see us giving up the same amount of scoring opportunities as Louth did, and I think if we get our starting 6 and subs in the forwards right, then we could be right there.
I expect we'll be very defensive early doors, and the first half mightn't make for much of a spectacle, but like a lot of games this year, hopefully the 2nd half takes fire.
Usually with Ros, it's travelling more in hope than expectation, and it's the hope that kills you. It'll either be blown out of the water, or possibly something special and damn the torpedoes!!
You won't have to worry about Jack Mac. He's not named on the squad
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Quote from: Substandard on May 27, 2023, 05:07:57 PM
I'm alternating between 'Oh f***', and 'We can do this'. If we can prevent Dublin getting into sequences where they get 4 or 5 scores in a row, then we could make it interesting. Having just typed that, it looks like blatant stating the obvious, but the key will be keeping Fenton and Kilkenny quiet, without leaving too much space for McCaffrey (presume he's fit?) or the likes. If them two are held in check, it makes minding Mannion and O'Callaghan that bit easier. If they get into a rhythm, any team will suffer, because then every other player is a danger. It's hard to judge where Dublin are relative to the Kildare and Louth games. I can't see us giving up the same amount of scoring opportunities as Louth did, and I think if we get our starting 6 and subs in the forwards right, then we could be right there.
I expect we'll be very defensive early doors, and the first half mightn't make for much of a spectacle, but like a lot of games this year, hopefully the 2nd half takes fire.
Usually with Ros, it's travelling more in hope than expectation, and it's the hope that kills you. It'll either be blown out of the water, or possibly something special and damn the torpedoes!!
You won't have to worry about Jack Mac. He's not named on the squad
Cheers, haven't been reading up much about the game this week- possibly in denial!!
Cluxton
Newcombe - D.Byrne - Cian Murphy
McCarthy - J.Small - Gannon
Fenton - Lahiff
Howard - Bugler - Kilkenny
Mannion - Con - Costello
That would be our strongest forward line
Jack and Murchan injured. Newcombe and Murphy have been doing well but haven't faced D1 opposition this year
Time to head for the smoke or had Eamonn Ryan got ye all breathing clean air these days😁
Hoping for a competitive performance and that the scoreboard operator will have an easy day.
Anything more will be a bonus.
Burke will love this challenge. A Ros win would be seismic for the championship.
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 10:43:16 AM
Burke will love this challenge. A Ros win would be seismic for the championship.
Is this sarcasm? The championship is so diluted that these group stage matches don't mean much
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Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 10:43:16 AM
Burke will love this challenge. A Ros win would be seismic for the championship.
Is this sarcasm? The championship is so diluted that these group stage matches don't mean much
It's diluted until Kerry get beaten and they have to play one of the provincial winners in the QF.
As long as everything works as expected it's diluted but as soon as something goes wrong it isn't.
Kerry could always win Munster and take it handy until the qf. But not this year.
Roscommon beating Dublin would be a mild upset, not seismic
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 28, 2023, 11:35:34 AM
Roscommon beating Dublin would be a mild upset, not seismic
It would mean the 2 favourites going via the preliminary round
I don't think it is likely to happen anyway
I would pretty much always cheer on the underdog. And I've never cheered on Dublin in my life.
But Roscommon's click killing style is revolting to watch.
Up the Dubs.
Half time Dublin 0-5 Roscommon 0-9. Fine controlling performance by the Rossies thus far.
Roscommon worth their four point lead at half time. Well in control so far.
Brilliant performance so far from Roscommon. Some brilliant patient play. Lovely scores, managerial masterclass so far. Game management brilliant.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2023, 04:27:54 PM
I would pretty much always cheer on the underdog. And I've never cheered on Dublin in my life.
But Roscommon's click killing style is revolting to watch.
Up the Dubs.
What does that mean, Wobbler, or is it a typo?
I'm only listening to it on the radio. Presumably the only reason Ros can play keep ball for 5 min periods is that Dublin are not putting any pressure on the ball player or ball receiver?
That's on the Dubs rather Roscommon. Can't expect a team that is leading to kick in aimless balls. Wait until the opportunity arises, if the opposition lets you.
Even the ref can't take it any more.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 28, 2023, 04:47:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2023, 04:27:54 PM
I would pretty much always cheer on the underdog. And I've never cheered on Dublin in my life.
But Roscommon's click killing style is revolting to watch.
Up the Dubs.
What does that mean, Wobbler, or is it a typo?
Clock killing.
Basically recycling the ball until there's nothing left of it
Quote from: sensini on May 28, 2023, 04:46:06 PM
Dubs are piss poor.
I expect us to win this 7/8 points. Only one wide bar Donie Smith.
Straight into a quarter finals. f**k Galway and Mayo Rossies are no 1 in Connacht. Will be disappointed id we don't the final now.
Davy Burke no 1 manager in Ireland. What were the Lilywhites at not appointing him. Kildare loss is our gain.
Shooting the load a bit early chief!
Dubs not looking like anything special at all. I'd say there's a good few teams that would fancy beating them this season
Quote from: Schkite on May 28, 2023, 05:39:45 PM
Dubs not looking like anything special at all. I'd say there's a good few teams that would fancy beating them this season
Derry and Kerry also looked ordinary.
Quote from: sensini on May 28, 2023, 05:42:18 PM
Referee cost Roscommon the game. Kildare ref must have some beef with his class mate Davy Burke.
Yeah those late free he gave Rossies, and bringing the last one forward to be in kicking range, really showed that was another Kildare man in the Dubs pockets! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dublin are miles off what they were
Quote from: straightred on May 28, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
Dublin are miles off what they were
True. But nobody else is at that level either.
Dublin still the bookies favs , i find that genuinely weird , they are pish . Galway have their name on Sam
Roscommon did well to earn the draw the least they deserved but when they watch that game back they'll know they should have won. Number of poor decision making and gave away a very poor goal in that 2nd half.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 28, 2023, 06:14:27 PM
Roscommon did well to earn the draw the least they deserved but when they watch that game back they'll know they should have won. Number of poor decision making and gave away a very poor goal in that 2nd half.
Considering the Dubs were 7/1...
The dublin 'fans' are a joke.
Booing freetakers and booing Roscommon holding onto the ball when the Dubs have done it on numerous occasions over the last 10 years
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 28, 2023, 05:39:45 PM
Dubs not looking like anything special at all. I'd say there's a good few teams that would fancy beating them this season
Derry and Kerry also looked ordinary.
And gaiway didn't?
Mayo the most impressive team of the season to date. This truly could be their year.
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Quote from: Schkite on May 28, 2023, 05:39:45 PM
Dubs not looking like anything special at all. I'd say there's a good few teams that would fancy beating them this season
Derry and Kerry also looked ordinary.
And gaiway didn't?
Mayo the most impressive team of the season to date. This truly could be their year.
There is nothing to suggest that Mayo's demons will not be waiting for them in the final . They have nothing to do with football.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
The dublin 'fans' are a joke.
Booing freetakers and booing Roscommon holding onto the ball when the Dubs have done it on numerous occasions over the last 10 years
They brought it into the game as a counter to the blanket defence. If the fans want to boo it so be it, as paying spectators that's their right.
I totally appreciate why Roscommon did what they did, but it is horrible stuff. It's up to the gaa to remove the possibility of that style (and the blanket defence).
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 08:06:30 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 28, 2023, 05:39:45 PM
Dubs not looking like anything special at all. I'd say there's a good few teams that would fancy beating them this season
Derry and Kerry also looked ordinary.
And gaiway didn't?
Mayo the most impressive team of the season to date. This truly could be their year.
There is nothing to suggest that Mayo's demons will not be waiting for them in the final . They have nothing to do with football.
What's in their favour is that this is the first time they might actually be the top team in the country going into championship.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
The dublin 'fans' are a joke.
Booing freetakers and booing Roscommon holding onto the ball when the Dubs have done it on numerous occasions over the last 10 years
They brought it into the game as a counter to the blanket defence. If the fans want to boo it so be it, as paying spectators that's their right.
I totally appreciate why Roscommon did what they did, but it is horrible stuff. It's up to the gaa to remove the possibility of that style (and the blanket defence).
Dublin had all 15 players back when out of possession so such games takes two to tango. Possession in the first half had to be 60/40 in favour of Roscommon. That was main thing that frustrated Dublin supporters they didn't like that little Roscommon was playing the game on their own terms and controlled the contest 1st half. It was their errors that allowed Dublin get anything out of that game today.
Madness given the form of the two teams this year that Roscommon was 7 /1 coming into that game today but no doubt such odds was the team talk already done for them.
Quote from: galwayman on May 28, 2023, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: sensini on May 28, 2023, 04:46:06 PM
Dubs are piss poor.
I expect us to win this 7/8 points. Only one wide bar Donie Smith.
Straight into a quarter finals. f**k Galway and Mayo Rossies are no 1 in Connacht. Will be disappointed id we don't the final now.
Davy Burke no 1 manager in Ireland. What were the Lilywhites at not appointing him. Kildare loss is our gain.
Shooting the load a bit early chief!
Newbie WUM pretending to be rossie.
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 08:06:30 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 28, 2023, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: Schkite on May 28, 2023, 05:39:45 PM
Dubs not looking like anything special at all. I'd say there's a good few teams that would fancy beating them this season
Derry and Kerry also looked ordinary.
And gaiway didn't?
Mayo the most impressive team of the season to date. This truly could be their year.
There is nothing to suggest that Mayo's demons will not be waiting for them in the final . They have nothing to do with football.
What's in their favour is that this is the first time they might actually be the top team in the country going into championship.
Kerry have the same players as last year minus 1. They aren't great. If they got to the final they would beat Mayo. It's very sad. So was 2006.
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/quote]Kerry have the same players as last year minus 1. They aren't great. If they got to the final they would beat Mayo. It's very sad. So was 2006.
I don't know that they would. I have no idea what you're talking about with regards 2006.
I'm not sure what it is both of ye are trying to say about Mayo but there is no notions on Sam maguire been won by anyone I know inside of the county . It's crazy the way these notions develop .for what it's worth Mayo imo will be in good shape in 24 /25/26 to have a right crack at it but this year not on your Nelly with a rookie one to four can you ever think youlll be able to match what lies ahead in July , it's like a different planet to what's been played out now . It's mind boggling to think in a matter of 4 to 6 weeks the whole dynamic changes but it does . Slouches become greyhounds
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 28, 2023, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
The dublin 'fans' are a joke.
Booing freetakers and booing Roscommon holding onto the ball when the Dubs have done it on numerous occasions over the last 10 years
They brought it into the game as a counter to the blanket defence. If the fans want to boo it so be it, as paying spectators that's their right.
I totally appreciate why Roscommon did what they did, but it is horrible stuff. It's up to the gaa to remove the possibility of that style (and the blanket defence).
Dublin had all 15 players back when out of possession so such games takes two to tango. Possession in the first half had to be 60/40 in favour of Roscommon. That was main thing that frustrated Dublin supporters they didn't like that little Roscommon was playing the game on their own terms and controlled the contest 1st half. It was their errors that allowed Dublin get anything out of that game today.
Madness given the form of the two teams this year that Roscommon was 7 /1 coming into that game today but no doubt such odds was the team talk already done for them.
I accept that this was partly a reaction to Dublin's lack of press in the first half, but Rossies were never going to approach the game any other way. Killing the click playing keep ball was always likely to be the best way to keep the game close, it especially made sense given the strong wind they were playing into in the first half. I'd say possession was probably over 70% Rossies.
Watching the game in the first half was like a big long game of piggy in the middle, not much of a spectator sport, I'd think most of ye will agree. Basketball had this problem, that's what they introduced the shot clock, that's not feasible for Gaelic football, but we can and must make changes.
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 28, 2023, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
The dublin 'fans' are a joke.
Booing freetakers and booing Roscommon holding onto the ball when the Dubs have done it on numerous occasions over the last 10 years
They brought it into the game as a counter to the blanket defence. If the fans want to boo it so be it, as paying spectators that's their right.
I totally appreciate why Roscommon did what they did, but it is horrible stuff. It's up to the gaa to remove the possibility of that style (and the blanket defence).
Dublin had all 15 players back when out of possession so such games takes two to tango. Possession in the first half had to be 60/40 in favour of Roscommon. That was main thing that frustrated Dublin supporters they didn't like that little Roscommon was playing the game on their own terms and controlled the contest 1st half. It was their errors that allowed Dublin get anything out of that game today.
Madness given the form of the two teams this year that Roscommon was 7 /1 coming into that game today but no doubt such odds was the team talk already done for them.
I accept that this was partly a reaction to Dublin's lack of press in the first half, but Rossies were never going to approach the game any other way. Killing the click playing keep ball was always likely to be the best way to keep the game close, it especially made sense given the strong wind they were playing into in the first half. I'd say possession was probably over 70% Rossies.
Watching the game in the first half was like a big long game of piggy in the middle, not much of a spectator sport, I'd think most of ye will agree. Basketball had this problem, that's what they introduced the shot clock, that's not feasible for Gaelic football, but we can and must make changes.
Roscommon have done that in every game this year
Everyone and their dog would have known they'd do the same, except the Dubs
Dublin have been playing keep ball and draw a foul for a decade
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2023, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 28, 2023, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 28, 2023, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 28, 2023, 07:58:18 PM
The dublin 'fans' are a joke.
Booing freetakers and booing Roscommon holding onto the ball when the Dubs have done it on numerous occasions over the last 10 years
They brought it into the game as a counter to the blanket defence. If the fans want to boo it so be it, as paying spectators that's their right.
I totally appreciate why Roscommon did what they did, but it is horrible stuff. It's up to the gaa to remove the possibility of that style (and the blanket defence).
Dublin had all 15 players back when out of possession so such games takes two to tango. Possession in the first half had to be 60/40 in favour of Roscommon. That was main thing that frustrated Dublin supporters they didn't like that little Roscommon was playing the game on their own terms and controlled the contest 1st half. It was their errors that allowed Dublin get anything out of that game today.
Madness given the form of the two teams this year that Roscommon was 7 /1 coming into that game today but no doubt such odds was the team talk already done for them.
I accept that this was partly a reaction to Dublin's lack of press in the first half, but Rossies were never going to approach the game any other way. Killing the click playing keep ball was always likely to be the best way to keep the game close, it especially made sense given the strong wind they were playing into in the first half. I'd say possession was probably over 70% Rossies.
Watching the game in the first half was like a big long game of piggy in the middle, not much of a spectator sport, I'd think most of ye will agree. Basketball had this problem, that's what they introduced the shot clock, that's not feasible for Gaelic football, but we can and must make changes.
Roscommon have done that in every game this year
Everyone and their dog would have known they'd do the same, except the Dubs
Dublin have been playing keep ball and draw a foul for a decade
Big trait under Jim Gavin along with taking on shots in the "scoring zones" don't seem to be as good now at that under Dessie Farrell. Dublin have regularly used a blanket defence/counter attacking game themselves and can't be complaining when it's done to them.
The complaint from me as a neutral is that I have to watch that shite and that the gaa won't do anything to limit it and the packed 15 man defence.
Game after game it's the same rubbish, cat and mouse for 50 mins of keep ball and if we're lucky a game then breaks out.
And that's at the top level, what's even worse is club football right around the country, where this non contact hybrid between rugby league and basketball is beginning to dominate. Intercounty we can just about cope with given the athleticism and invention that we can witness, but at club level, it's usually entirely unwatchable and not exactly fun for the participants either.
Apologies to Dublin GAA, Central GAA and all the Dublin fans for daring to play the first half on our terms, for leading at half time, for coming back to draw the game, for refusing to know our places and upsetting ye're normal day out by not rolling over and letting ye win.
WE ARE ROS💛💙
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
Apologies to Dublin GAA, Central GAA and all the Dublin fans for daring to play the first half on our terms, for leading at half time, for coming back to draw the game, for refusing to know our places and upsetting ye're normal day out by not rolling over and letting ye win.
WE ARE ROS💛💙
Yis threw that away.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
Apologies to Dublin GAA, Central GAA and all the Dublin fans for daring to play the first half on our terms, for leading at half time, for coming back to draw the game, for refusing to know our places and upsetting ye're normal day out by not rolling over and letting ye win.
WE ARE ROS💛💙
Roscommon should make zero apologies for how they played and how they setup, hilarious that the Dubs are affronted to the point of booing a seemingly endless phase of possession, they invented this style.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
Apologies to Dublin GAA, Central GAA and all the Dublin fans for daring to play the first half on our terms, for leading at half time, for coming back to draw the game, for refusing to know our places and upsetting ye're normal day out by not rolling over and letting ye win.
WE ARE ROS💛💙
Yis threw that away.
We were glad to get the draw in the end. Ye butchered a few opportunities near the end.
Was at this game yesterday and was very impressed by the Rossies. They totally frustrated Dublin in the first half but I feared after Dublin got their usual first goal that they would kick on and dominate.
However Roscommon stayed calm and fought their way back into it.
Dublin were poor but was that cos Roscommon made them look poor.
They will give plenty of teams a hard game.
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Quote from: sensini on May 29, 2023, 12:58:20 PM
If Donie Smith had his shooting boots would have won that handy. Referee gave little frees in second half to Roscommon. Someone in Croke Park must have changed the Referee at HT because wasn't looking after the dubs 🙄
Yawn.
Setting up a second account to post about a game you didn't even watch.
Enthralling stuff 🙄
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
The complaint from me as a neutral is that I have to watch that shite and that the gaa won't do anything to limit it and the packed 15 man defence.
Game after game it's the same rubbish, cat and mouse for 50 mins of keep ball and if we're lucky a game then breaks out.
And that's at the top level, what's even worse is club football right around the country, where this non contact hybrid between rugby league and basketball is beginning to dominate. Intercounty we can just about cope with given the athleticism and invention that we can witness, but at club level, it's usually entirely unwatchable and not exactly fun for the participants either.
Out of interest what was your thoughts on the recent Ulster final? I'd agree with this recent discussion with Michael Foley,Enda McGinley skip to 55.55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb9jyjSh6hI
QuoteOut of interest what was your thoughts on the recent Ulster final? I'd agree with this recent discussion with Michael Foley,Enda McGinley skip to 55.55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb9jyjSh6hI
Ourselves and Dublin are to blame, everyone want's a repeat of our great games all the time. Yer man Foley needs to buy a shed or make some attic space for himself.
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Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
The complaint from me as a neutral is that I have to watch that shite and that the gaa won't do anything to limit it and the packed 15 man defence.
Game after game it's the same rubbish, cat and mouse for 50 mins of keep ball and if we're lucky a game then breaks out.
And that's at the top level, what's even worse is club football right around the country, where this non contact hybrid between rugby league and basketball is beginning to dominate. Intercounty we can just about cope with given the athleticism and invention that we can witness, but at club level, it's usually entirely unwatchable and not exactly fun for the participants either.
Out of interest what was your thoughts on the recent Ulster final? I'd agree with this recent discussion with Michael Foley,Enda McGinley skip to 55.55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb9jyjSh6hI
I'd agree we had plenty of good matches already this year. The Ulster final was "intriguing" watch and I'd much prefer that competitive draw contest in Croke Park yesterday than blow out Leinster final whereby Louth set up so poorly defensively.
What shouldn't be forgotten about yesterday's game was that during Roscommon's dominant first half Dublin lost their firsr-choice full back (and regular scorer) David Byrne after 9 minutes and Mick Fitzsimons spent 10 minutes sitting in the sand.
The shots Fenton and Dean Rock dropped short in the last few minutes really were terribly executed.
Thought it was strange Dean Rock going to grab the ball for that free - Costello had at least been striking them well. Rock's free taking has dropped off a cliff in the last year or two.
The first half of that match was maybe the first sporting occasion yet that would have been more entertaining if interrupted by a Just Stop Oil protest.
I can understand why Ros set themselves like that, which means I can hold the usually mutually exclusive positions of having absolute respect and total hatred for it at the same time.
At the same time I'm glad they didn't win. I just can't cheer for an underdog who runs away from the scrap.
The rules around possession need to change, simple as that.
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Dublin were interesting yesterday. They weren't for wasting energy unnecessarily. It probably says more about the format of the competition than anything about them.
You sound like a right misery guts ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
You sound like a right misery guts ::)
No. Just frustrated at Gaelic Football. Senior county football looked like it was turning a corner not so long ago. But with Rory Gallagher's reemergence, and now Armagh and Roscommon determining that the best way to progress is by removing any potential for mistakes, we are about to take a giant step backwards again in Jimmy McGuinness land.... Unless the rule makers step in.
Roscommon have done nothing wrong , they got a draw out of it . Like mayo though and even worse than Mayo , Dublin let Roscommon dictate the game on their terms . I don't understand the press tbh if your pressing space , Dublin pressed but then stood back when within a yard , perhaps I'm naive to the modern game slightly but what is the point in the way Dublin tried to disrupt Roscommons possession game by not disrupting it , in the first half , I thought it was just pure daft .
Don't get the possession criticism. In the past, Dublin would have waited until Ros ran into trouble or kicked a low percentage ball. Dublin would then counter attack at speed - repeat and rinse - and we'd lose by 20 points. Soccer has possession, American football teams can go on a drive that takes 10 mins off clock, rugby likewise. All Ros possessions ended with an attack and some brilliant points were scored.If teams are going to keep 15 back, smart teams will not play like suckers into their hands until teams can be drawn out. Possession is the effect; blanket is the cause. That said: Dublin were the masters at this. They held possession to play down the clock in defeating Mayo in 2017. Anyway proud of our lads. But credit to Dublin too - would not underestimate them come later stages. Lot of football to be played yet.
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Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
You sound like a right misery guts ::)
No. Just frustrated at Gaelic Football. Senior county football looked like it was turning a corner not so long ago. But with Rory Gallagher's reemergence, and now Armagh and Roscommon determining that the best way to progress is by removing any potential for mistakes, we are about to take a giant step backwards again in Jimmy McGuinness land.... Unless the rule makers step in.
What's with the beef you have with Jimmy McGuinness? The way Donegal played in 2012 and the win against Dublin in All Ireland semi final in 2014 was good the only issue with it was the shelf life of it was short as it took serious strength and conditioning to make it effective and those players was pretty much burnt out by 2015.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2023, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
You sound like a right misery guts ::)
No. Just frustrated at Gaelic Football. Senior county football looked like it was turning a corner not so long ago. But with Rory Gallagher's reemergence, and now Armagh and Roscommon determining that the best way to progress is by removing any potential for mistakes, we are about to take a giant step backwards again in Jimmy McGuinness land.... Unless the rule makers step in.
Why should Roscommon go out play gung ho football and get hammered?
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2023, 09:22:36 PM
Dublin were interesting yesterday. They weren't for wasting energy unnecessarily. It probably says more about the format of the competition than anything about them.
Don't believe Dublin was doing that it was more the way Dublin are now with Dessie Farrell in charge and with a heap of players with a lot of mileage on the clock. The 2nd half and all of extra time of 2021 semi final against Mayo wasn't much different to Dublin's performance yesterday.
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: sensini on May 29, 2023, 12:58:20 PM
If Donie Smith had his shooting boots would have won that handy. Referee gave little frees in second half to Roscommon. Someone in Croke Park must have changed the Referee at HT because wasn't looking after the dubs 🙄
Yawn.
Setting up a second account to post about a game you didn't even watch.
Enthralling stuff 🙄
He's not the only one, a certain poster wrote this earlier in the thread before making plenty of comments about the game ;D
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
I'm only listening to it on the radio. Presumably the only reason Ros can play keep ball for 5 min periods is that Dublin are not putting any pressure on the ball player or ball receiver?
..........
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 29, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Nonsense, Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade.
So far this year kildare should have closed out the Leinster semi, Derry beat them, Clare should have held on, cork had a great chance to beat them too, didn't see the first kildare league game, but all of these games were more or less the minimum margin, they've had plenty of tight intense games this year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2023, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
The complaint from me as a neutral is that I have to watch that shite and that the gaa won't do anything to limit it and the packed 15 man defence.
Game after game it's the same rubbish, cat and mouse for 50 mins of keep ball and if we're lucky a game then breaks out.
And that's at the top level, what's even worse is club football right around the country, where this non contact hybrid between rugby league and basketball is beginning to dominate. Intercounty we can just about cope with given the athleticism and invention that we can witness, but at club level, it's usually entirely unwatchable and not exactly fun for the participants either.
Out of interest what was your thoughts on the recent Ulster final? I'd agree with this recent discussion with Michael Foley,Enda McGinley skip to 55.55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb9jyjSh6hI
My thoughts on the ulster final were the same as they were fir last year's ulster final and the Derry v Galway semi and I'd say the same as any rossie felt yesterday, it's watchable when you've a dog in the fight, but horrible for 90% of the rest.
Wobbler and I have both been consistent about this for the past year, we know why teams do it, but in my opinion the rules have to change to take away this option because it really is damaging the game at all levels, especially lower levels.
Quote from: onefineday on May 30, 2023, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 29, 2023, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
The complaint from me as a neutral is that I have to watch that shite and that the gaa won't do anything to limit it and the packed 15 man defence.
Game after game it's the same rubbish, cat and mouse for 50 mins of keep ball and if we're lucky a game then breaks out.
And that's at the top level, what's even worse is club football right around the country, where this non contact hybrid between rugby league and basketball is beginning to dominate. Intercounty we can just about cope with given the athleticism and invention that we can witness, but at club level, it's usually entirely unwatchable and not exactly fun for the participants either.
This is true; it's even worse at club livel. Some rule change is necessary, maybe changing to 13-a-side?
Out of interest what was your thoughts on the recent Ulster final? I'd agree with this recent discussion with Michael Foley,Enda McGinley skip to 55.55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb9jyjSh6hI
My thoughts on the ulster final were the same as they were fir last year's ulster final and the Derry v Galway semi and I'd say the same as any rossie felt yesterday, it's watchable when you've a dog in the fight, but horrible for 90% of the rest.
Wobbler and I have both been consistent about this for the past year, we know why teams do it, but in my opinion the rules have to change to take away this option because it really is damaging the game at all levels, especially lower levels.
What rule change d'ye want?
You can't pass the ball to a team mate?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41150701.html
Quote from: Rossfan on May 30, 2023, 08:25:33 AM
What rule change d'ye want?
You can't pass the ball to a team mate?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41150701.html
It was remarkable to even have the balls to attempt that 6 minutes passage of play against Dublin in Croke Park. A more than credible draw (could have should have won) is a big improvement from the last time Roscommon played Dublin in the championship, which was 4 years and 18 point defeat. A selection of the comments after that match including your own.
Quote from: Hound on July 20, 2019, 07:58:31 PM
Roscommon though are probably perfect opponents to allow Dublin show their stuff.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2019, 08:11:04 PM
They'll have to take ALL the games out of Croke Park at this rate. Too many matches being played in funereal atmospheres. Doesn't make for an attractive product.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 20, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
Dublin are simply a brilliant football team regardless of all the advantages they may or may not have. But feck me their games are incredibly boring to watch.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2019, 12:52:19 AM
Just home from this away game.
Weary, depressed, disappointed for the lads but it was amateur boys against professional men.
Hard to know where we go from here, how many lads will have the appetite to slog it out over the winter again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
how can you sell a game to players where you are telling them to do their best and keep the score down? It's depressing.
But we need a rule change now because little old Roscommon found a way to be competitive against the mighty Dubs?
See, no.
It's the same rule change that was needed a few years ago to prevent teams in front from clock-killing, of which Dublin were prime exponents and Ciaran Kilkenny was executor in chief.
It was a dour way to win games when Dublin did it. It's a dour way to stay competitive now Ros does it.
As mentioned above I have absolute respect for Ros for being competitive and disciplined.
But anyone who believes that our game would not be improved by the prevention elongated periods of non-contact possession, I honestly feel sorry for you. The Gaelic football bar now has been set so low for you, that you can gain enjoyment from a handful of passages of play, over 70 minutes. This is no way to live folks. Demand better.
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 29, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Nonsense, Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade.
So far this year kildare should have closed out the Leinster semi, Derry beat them, Clare should have held on, cork had a great chance to beat them too, didn't see the first kildare league game, but all of these games were more or less the minimum margin, they've had plenty of tight intense games this year.
Some fair points there.
Of course
"Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade", and it's for that reason that Dessie Farrell spent the league and Leinster Championship trying to beef up the squad. They didn't go out trying to wipe teams out but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
If we're honest, with the new championship format, it's very hard to assess where any of the teams stand now. There are a lot of games to be played yet. And we're all hoping for the best for our own favourites.
COYBIB
There is a lot giddyness creeping in , my advice to all these giddy counties from a former professional giddyness merchant is stay calm cause it gets a whole lot different when the bigger dude counties start to fully stretch the legs . Dublin were pish n Sunday compared to what they were capable of in their pomp but on reflection who's to say they are not getting primed for qf stage , likes of mannion might never get back to top stride but what if he does .
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 30, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 29, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Nonsense, Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade.
So far this year kildare should have closed out the Leinster semi, Derry beat them, Clare should have held on, cork had a great chance to beat them too, didn't see the first kildare league game, but all of these games were more or less the minimum margin, they've had plenty of tight intense games this year.
Some fair points there.
Of course "Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade", and it's for that reason that Dessie Farrell spent the league and Leinster Championship trying to beef up the squad. They didn't go out trying to wipe teams out but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
If we're honest, with the new championship format, it's very hard to assess where any of the teams stand now. There are a lot of games to be played yet. And we're all hoping for the best for our own favourites.
COYBIB
Trying to beef up the squad, how successful has Dessie Farrell got with that in the last 4 years? Instead of trying to make more new faces become established starters he's brought back Paul Mannion,Jack McCaffrey,Stephen Cluxton and then you have 35 year old Michael Fitzsimons who was unavailable for the Leinster championship drafted right back into the starting 15 on Sunday.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 30, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 29, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Nonsense, Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade.
So far this year kildare should have closed out the Leinster semi, Derry beat them, Clare should have held on, cork had a great chance to beat them too, didn't see the first kildare league game, but all of these games were more or less the minimum margin, they've had plenty of tight intense games this year.
Some fair points there.
Of course "Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade", and it's for that reason that Dessie Farrell spent the league and Leinster Championship trying to beef up the squad. They didn't go out trying to wipe teams out but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
If we're honest, with the new championship format, it's very hard to assess where any of the teams stand now. There are a lot of games to be played yet. And we're all hoping for the best for our own favourites.
COYBIB
Winning Leinster is meaningless. Winning D2 isn't much to shout about either
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 06:40:34 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 30, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 29, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Nonsense, Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade.
So far this year kildare should have closed out the Leinster semi, Derry beat them, Clare should have held on, cork had a great chance to beat them too, didn't see the first kildare league game, but all of these games were more or less the minimum margin, they've had plenty of tight intense games this year.
Some fair points there.
Of course "Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade", and it's for that reason that Dessie Farrell spent the league and Leinster Championship trying to beef up the squad. They didn't go out trying to wipe teams out but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
If we're honest, with the new championship format, it's very hard to assess where any of the teams stand now. There are a lot of games to be played yet. And we're all hoping for the best for our own favourites.
COYBIB
Winning Leinster is meaningless. Winning D2 isn't much to shout about either
I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe you'd like to read my post carefully again and see what I actually said
but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
And the answer to that is so what ?. The Leinster Championship died a while ago. Division 2 is for less organised teams.
Dublin are a long way off 2020 form.
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:51:49 PM
but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
And the answer to that is so what ?. The Leinster Championship died a while ago. Division 2 is for less organised teams.
Dublin are a long way off 2020 form.
In that case the answer to all questions is...... So what?
So what Mayo beat Kerry
So what Kerry won Munster
So what Mayo won the League
So what Galway won Connacht
So what Derry won Ulster on Penalties
So what Roscommon beat Mayo
So what Monaghan beat Tyrone
So what Galway beat 14 man Tyrone
So what Sligo drew with Kildare
So what ................
Quote from: thewobbler on May 30, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
See, no.
It's the same rule change that was needed a few years ago to prevent teams in front from clock-killing, of which Dublin were prime exponents and Ciaran Kilkenny was executor in chief.
It was a dour way to win games when Dublin did it. It's a dour way to stay competitive now Ros does it.
As mentioned above I have absolute respect for Ros for being competitive and disciplined.
But anyone who believes that our game would not be improved by the prevention elongated periods of non-contact possession, I honestly feel sorry for you. The Gaelic football bar now has been set so low for you, that you can gain enjoyment from a handful of passages of play, over 70 minutes. This is no way to live folks. Demand better.
There a quick fix option to help that would upset noone and it's so painfully obvious that I'm starting to second guess myself at this stage. Just go back to the defined striking action with a closed fist, same as we used to have not long ago whatsoever. Not sure why it was ever changed
It won't stop teams being able to punch it round outside the 65 when there's no press. However when there is a press, all those little easy flicks over the head, or flick backwards while your being tackled, all of a sudden become much harder to execute. It's very difficult to get a closed fistpass away accurately when someone has hands on you. It's very easy to get the little flick with the fingers away.
Team would actually then have a reason to press, having a realistic chance of a turnover. At the moment there's no point, you just tire yourself chasing shadows while the other team plays basketball only without a shot clock
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2023, 08:51:49 PM
but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
And the answer to that is so what ?. The Leinster Championship died a while ago. Division 2 is for less organised teams.
Dublin are a long way off 2020 form.
Not sure they're that far off 2020 form, that was far from vintage Dublin.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 30, 2023, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 30, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
See, no.
It's the same rule change that was needed a few years ago to prevent teams in front from clock-killing, of which Dublin were prime exponents and Ciaran Kilkenny was executor in chief.
It was a dour way to win games when Dublin did it. It's a dour way to stay competitive now Ros does it.
As mentioned above I have absolute respect for Ros for being competitive and disciplined.
But anyone who believes that our game would not be improved by the prevention elongated periods of non-contact possession, I honestly feel sorry for you. The Gaelic football bar now has been set so low for you, that you can gain enjoyment from a handful of passages of play, over 70 minutes. This is no way to live folks. Demand better.
There a quick fix option to help that would upset noone and it's so painfully obvious that I'm starting to second guess myself at this stage. Just go back to the defined striking action with a closed fist, same as we used to have not long ago whatsoever. Not sure why it was ever changed
It won't stop teams being able to punch it round outside the 65 when there's no press. However when there is a press, all those little easy flicks over the head, or flick backwards while your being tackled, all of a sudden become much harder to execute. It's very difficult to get a closed fistpass away accurately when someone has hands on you. It's very easy to get the little flick with the fingers away.
Team would actually then have a reason to press, having a realistic chance of a turnover. At the moment there's no point, you just tire yourself chasing shadows while the other team plays basketball only without a shot clock
I thought Sunday was more piggy in the middle than basketball.
I think the easiest fix would be to call a foul when the attacking team play the ball back into their own half combined with a requirement to keep 2 players in the opposition half at all times.
It has to be worth trying at least?
Dublin still rated as favourites for all ireland with the bookies which given the performance on Sunday and against Kildare is hard to believe. Be interesting to see who tops the group will expect it to come down to score difference.
Quote from: statto on May 31, 2023, 10:42:26 AM
Dublin still rated as favourites for all ireland with the bookies which given the performance on Sunday and against Kildare is hard to believe. Be interesting to see who tops the group will expect it to come down to score difference.
There's a high percentage Kerry meet the Group 2 winners (Galway favs at this point) with all the rules about no repeat group pairings, which lengthens boths price from where it could be. Mayo have rightly shortened in, and Dublin still look very likely to top their group
As proud as Roscommon can be with their performance Sunday, I'd be absolutely sick they didn't win if I was a fan. It doesn't materially change their chances of topping the group all that much, as it will now likely come down to scoring difference and Dublin have Sligo in the final game, potentially having an educated guess at how much they'll need to score. We've seen what Dublin can do to teams like this, i.e Laois, and having that game last is a huge advantage.
Roscommon's best hope may be Kildare nabbing something from this weeks game with Dublin, given Dublin's injuries
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 30, 2023, 03:01:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 30, 2023, 08:25:33 AM
What rule change d'ye want?
You can't pass the ball to a team mate?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41150701.html
It was remarkable to even have the balls to attempt that 6 minutes passage of play against Dublin in Croke Park. A more than credible draw (could have should have won) is a big improvement from the last time Roscommon played Dublin in the championship, which was 4 years and 18 point defeat. A selection of the comments after that match including your own.
Quote from: Hound on July 20, 2019, 07:58:31 PM
Roscommon though are probably perfect opponents to allow Dublin show their stuff.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2019, 08:11:04 PM
They'll have to take ALL the games out of Croke Park at this rate. Too many matches being played in funereal atmospheres. Doesn't make for an attractive product.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 20, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
Dublin are simply a brilliant football team regardless of all the advantages they may or may not have. But feck me their games are incredibly boring to watch.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2019, 12:52:19 AM
Just home from this away game.
Weary, depressed, disappointed for the lads but it was amateur boys against professional men.
Hard to know where we go from here, how many lads will have the appetite to slog it out over the winter again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
how can you sell a game to players where you are telling them to do their best and keep the score down? It's depressing.
But we need a rule change now because little old Roscommon found a way to be competitive against the mighty Dubs?
What an utterly ridiculous post. Quotes from a game 4 years ago, dealing with 2 very different teams playing in different ways.
As I said earlier if a team holds onto possession for 5 minutes or so, then it's totally the opposition's fault. I've no doubt most Dubs were more frustrated with their own team not pushing on rather than Ros recycling. That changed in the second half. As a Dub, I'd be well confident of beating Ros in the semi final, if both of us were lucky enough to get there. No rule change required. Although I do highly rate the Ros manager, he could well have something else up his sleeve.
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2023, 01:17:53 PM
What an utterly ridiculous post. Quotes from a game 4 years ago, dealing with 2 very different teams playing in different ways.
As I said earlier if a team holds onto possession for 5 minutes or so, then it’s totally the opposition’s fault. I’ve no doubt most Dubs were more frustrated with their own team not pushing on rather than Ros recycling. That changed in the second half. As a Dub, I’d be well confident of beating Ros in the semi final, if both of us were lucky enough to get there. No rule change required. Although I do highly rate the Ros manager, he could well have something else up his sleeve.
The point I was making has gone totally over your head.
First of all four years ago selected because it was the last championship between the two, discussion on here was about the possession football tactic that makes games boring and need for a rule change.
For me more boring is one sided games whereby one side was so poorly organised without the ball that they allowed it to happen. Yes Dublin aren't at the level they once were but back in 2019 even Cork relegated to Div 2 gave a better account of themselves against Dublin in Croke Park and had Roscommon performed in a similar manner last Sunday it would have been 7 to 10 point defeat instead of having the last kick of the match to win it.
As for All Ireland semi final progression, Roscommon would probably need to top the group as if not three games in 14 days would take its toll on their fitness and conditioning. Dublin remain strong favourites to top the group and so long as they avoid Kerry in the last 8 they should at least be reaching the last 4.
Quote from: The Coddfather on June 02, 2023, 02:06:07 PM
An embarrassing post.
Says the WUM with embarrassing posts
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 30, 2023, 03:01:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 30, 2023, 08:25:33 AM
What rule change d'ye want?
You can't pass the ball to a team mate?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41150701.html
It was remarkable to even have the balls to attempt that 6 minutes passage of play against Dublin in Croke Park. A more than credible draw (could have should have won) is a big improvement from the last time Roscommon played Dublin in the championship, which was 4 years and 18 point defeat. A selection of the comments after that match including your own.
Quote from: Hound on July 20, 2019, 07:58:31 PM
Roscommon though are probably perfect opponents to allow Dublin show their stuff.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2019, 08:11:04 PM
They'll have to take ALL the games out of Croke Park at this rate. Too many matches being played in funereal atmospheres. Doesn't make for an attractive product.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 20, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
Dublin are simply a brilliant football team regardless of all the advantages they may or may not have. But feck me their games are incredibly boring to watch.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2019, 12:52:19 AM
Just home from this away game.
Weary, depressed, disappointed for the lads but it was amateur boys against professional men.
Hard to know where we go from here, how many lads will have the appetite to slog it out over the winter again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
how can you sell a game to players where you are telling them to do their best and keep the score down? It's depressing.
But we need a rule change now because little old Roscommon found a way to be competitive against the mighty Dubs?
An embarrassing post.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 30, 2023, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 29, 2023, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 29, 2023, 12:26:28 PM
A great performance by Roscommon yesterday. But surely no one can be surprised by this. They are a strong team who have battled it out with the top teams in the country over the past year and who came to Croke Park well prepared for the game. They came up against a Dublin team who had not been exposed to the required level of intensity for some time - and yet in the end Roscommon were lucky to get away with the draw. It may be that this will be the closest Roscommon will get to Dublin for some time.
Nonsense, Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade.
So far this year kildare should have closed out the Leinster semi, Derry beat them, Clare should have held on, cork had a great chance to beat them too, didn't see the first kildare league game, but all of these games were more or less the minimum margin, they've had plenty of tight intense games this year.
Some fair points there.
Of course "Dublin are a pale shadow of what they were for most of the last decade", and it's for that reason that Dessie Farrell spent the league and Leinster Championship trying to beef up the squad. They didn't go out trying to wipe teams out but at the end of the day they managed to win Leinster and finish top of Division 2.
If we're honest, with the new championship format, it's very hard to assess where any of the teams stand now. There are a lot of games to be played yet. And we're all hoping for the best for our own favourites.
COYBIB
Winning the provincial championship doesn't seem to have been advantageous for Dublin, Kerry or Derry in the first round of the Group stages. Monaghan, Mayo and Roscommon all brougt a lot of energy to their games.