The Many Faces of US Politics...

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whitey

Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 25, 2020, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected
No way? Every chance he will get re-elected. America is full of buffoons like Trump let's not forget.

60% approval for his handling of the crisis according to a recent Pew Research poll

whitey

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 25, 2020, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:07:09 PM

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

I didn't realise people still cared about what Bill Maher has to say

Maher hasn't a clue about a lot of things on certain topics. Palestine, medicine (he's an anti-vaxxer), the value of blue sky research and space exploration, etc..

So in the clip he refers to actual Democratic candidates policy positions

(1) letting the Boston Marathon Bomber vote

(2) Taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners

(3) Abortions for men

And you wonder why Trump actually has a chance of winning again? LOL

Eamonnca1

Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 25, 2020, 07:19:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected
No way? Every chance he will get re-elected. America is full of buffoons like Trump let's not forget.

60% approval for his handling of the crisis according to a recent Pew Research poll

Disapproval has not dipped below 50% since March 2017 according to an average of all the polls:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

J70

Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 25, 2020, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:07:09 PM

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

I didn't realise people still cared about what Bill Maher has to say

Maher hasn't a clue about a lot of things on certain topics. Palestine, medicine (he's an anti-vaxxer), the value of blue sky research and space exploration, etc..

So in the clip he refers to actual Democratic candidates policy positions

(1) letting the Boston Marathon Bomber vote

(2) Taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners

(3) Abortions for men

And you wonder why Trump actually has a chance of winning again? LOL

You keep bringing up these red herrings as if they were central policy planks of the Democratic party and priorities for the campaign. I guess you have to have something to justify in your mind your defense of the indefensible when it comes to Trump and the GOP and their actual, real policy positions and governance.

Milltown Row2

New York nurse on now, wow! Trump is saying they'll be sorted by Easter and she's losing the plot!

She says they are dealing with the virus in hospitals without proper PPE! How does he get away with it really?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

J70

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 26, 2020, 12:33:15 PM
New York nurse on now, wow! Trump is saying they'll be sorted by Easter and she's losing the plot!

She says they are dealing with the virus in hospitals without proper PPE! How does he get away with it really?

Can't blame all of the PPE issues on Trump. Plenty of that to go around. There are a lot of people, all over the political spectrum at all levels, and among the general public too, who are going to have questions to answer on the ability or inability of hospitals to cope, whether its PPE, ventilators, staff numbers or beds. I expect that will be the same in most countries.

Doesn't mean Trump hasn't been an idiot in his response to the crisis though. He has.

whitey

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Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 25, 2020, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:07:09 PM

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

I didn't realise people still cared about what Bill Maher has to say

Maher hasn't a clue about a lot of things on certain topics. Palestine, medicine (he's an anti-vaxxer), the value of blue sky research and space exploration, etc..

So in the clip he refers to actual Democratic candidates policy positions

(1) letting the Boston Marathon Bomber vote

(2) Taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners

(3) Abortions for men

And you wonder why Trump actually has a chance of winning again? LOL

You keep bringing up these red herrings as if they were central policy planks of the Democratic party and priorities for the campaign. I guess you have to have something to justify in your mind your defense of the indefensible when it comes to Trump and the GOP and their actual, real policy positions and governance.

Well they were all discussed during various Democratic debates as far as I know, so if they don't want to own it, then they should shut the fvck up about it.

Elizabeth Warren is also on the record as saying that she would allow transgender children select her cabinet members

(When Trump makes some off the wall comment don't the media and the Democrats try and stick every single Republican with the same position.....even though we know they're actually not positions at all, just Trum having diarrhea of the mouth)

J70

Your point might be valid if the entire GOP wasn't lying prostrate before Trump. Trump IS the Republican Party. There is barely an utterance or policy from him that they can't indulge and rationalize, no matter how repugnant, self-serving, bigoted or inhumane. Occasional critics like Romney and Amash are sidelined and shunned. Others end up giving up their seats as they can't win if they're down with Trump. There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 26, 2020, 12:33:15 PM
New York nurse on now, wow! Trump is saying they'll be sorted by Easter and she's losing the plot!

She says they are dealing with the virus in hospitals without proper PPE! How does he get away with it really?

Can't blame all of the PPE issues on Trump. Plenty of that to go around. There are a lot of people, all over the political spectrum at all levels, and among the general public too, who are going to have questions to answer on the ability or inability of hospitals to cope, whether its PPE, ventilators, staff numbers or beds. I expect that will be the same in most countries.

Doesn't mean Trump hasn't been an idiot in his response to the crisis though. He has.

But saying that the crisis will be over by Easter and there being no PPE to combat this then he's wrong, if he wants to fight it then give them the tools..

It's like sending men into battle with no guns
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

whitey

Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Your point might be valid if the entire GOP wasn't lying prostrate before Trump. Trump IS the Republican Party. There is barely an utterance or policy from him that they can't indulge and rationalize, no matter how repugnant, self-serving, bigoted or inhumane. Occasional critics like Romney and Amash are sidelined and shunned. Others end up giving up their seats as they can't win if they're down with Trump. There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side.

BS....see what happened during the debate when the candidates were asked if universal healthcare coverage should cover the undocumented

And as for the New Green Deal.....watch out

As her allies are readying primary challenges against Democrats who refuse to join the Green New Deal's 100 co-sponsors in Congress, Ocasio-Cortez said, "You don't necessarily have to replace everybody."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c9ea7e2e4b0bc0daca8c489/amp

People are as afraid of her as they are of Trump

J70

Quote from: whitey on March 26, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Your point might be valid if the entire GOP wasn't lying prostrate before Trump. Trump IS the Republican Party. There is barely an utterance or policy from him that they can't indulge and rationalize, no matter how repugnant, self-serving, bigoted or inhumane. Occasional critics like Romney and Amash are sidelined and shunned. Others end up giving up their seats as they can't win if they're down with Trump. There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side.

BS....see what happened during the debate when the candidates were asked if universal healthcare coverage should cover the undocumented

And as for the New Green Deal.....watch out

As her allies are readying primary challenges against Democrats who refuse to join the Green New Deal's 100 co-sponsors in Congress, Ocasio-Cortez said, "You don't necessarily have to replace everybody."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c9ea7e2e4b0bc0daca8c489/amp

People are as afraid of her as they are of Trump

There is a massive difference between providing healthcare to undocumented immigrants or the green new deal (much of which Biden doesn't agree with BTW), positions which would enjoy a lot of support from liberals and moderates, even if they're not central issues, and an obscure, peripheral position on the part of one candidate to publicly pay for sex change operations in prisoners. If you want to argue against the Dems and for Trump and the GOP on those counts, then go for it.

As for the fear of Warren, that must be why the Democratic base just came out and booted her, and is in the process of booting Bernie, to the side in favour of a moderate.

Haven't seen any such course adjustment from the GOP yet.

J70

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 26, 2020, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 26, 2020, 12:33:15 PM
New York nurse on now, wow! Trump is saying they'll be sorted by Easter and she's losing the plot!

She says they are dealing with the virus in hospitals without proper PPE! How does he get away with it really?

Can't blame all of the PPE issues on Trump. Plenty of that to go around. There are a lot of people, all over the political spectrum at all levels, and among the general public too, who are going to have questions to answer on the ability or inability of hospitals to cope, whether its PPE, ventilators, staff numbers or beds. I expect that will be the same in most countries.

Doesn't mean Trump hasn't been an idiot in his response to the crisis though. He has.

But saying that the crisis will be over by Easter and there being no PPE to combat this then he's wrong, if he wants to fight it then give them the tools..

It's like sending men into battle with no guns

He's not helping much, that's for sure.

And most sensible people realize he's talking through his hole most of the time on this issue. Maybe enough will wake up to see that he's always talking through his hole.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 26, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Your point might be valid if the entire GOP wasn't lying prostrate before Trump. Trump IS the Republican Party. There is barely an utterance or policy from him that they can't indulge and rationalize, no matter how repugnant, self-serving, bigoted or inhumane. Occasional critics like Romney and Amash are sidelined and shunned. Others end up giving up their seats as they can't win if they're down with Trump. There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side.

BS....see what happened during the debate when the candidates were asked if universal healthcare coverage should cover the undocumented

And as for the New Green Deal.....watch out

As her allies are readying primary challenges against Democrats who refuse to join the Green New Deal's 100 co-sponsors in Congress, Ocasio-Cortez said, "You don't necessarily have to replace everybody."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c9ea7e2e4b0bc0daca8c489/amp

People are as afraid of her as they are of Trump

There is a massive difference between providing healthcare to undocumented immigrants or the green new deal (much of which Biden doesn't agree with BTW), positions which would enjoy a lot of support from liberals and moderates, even if they're not central issues, and an obscure, peripheral position on the part of one candidate to publicly pay for sex change operations in prisoners. If you want to argue against the Dems and for Trump and the GOP on those counts, then go for it.

As for the fear of Warren, that must be why the Democratic base just came out and booted her, and is in the process of booting Bernie, to the side in favour of a moderate.

Haven't seen any such course adjustment from the GOP yet.

Here's what you said:

" There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side."

The debates and the New Green Deal would prove your interpretation wrong

J70

Quote from: whitey on March 26, 2020, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 26, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Your point might be valid if the entire GOP wasn't lying prostrate before Trump. Trump IS the Republican Party. There is barely an utterance or policy from him that they can't indulge and rationalize, no matter how repugnant, self-serving, bigoted or inhumane. Occasional critics like Romney and Amash are sidelined and shunned. Others end up giving up their seats as they can't win if they're down with Trump. There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side.

BS....see what happened during the debate when the candidates were asked if universal healthcare coverage should cover the undocumented

And as for the New Green Deal.....watch out

As her allies are readying primary challenges against Democrats who refuse to join the Green New Deal's 100 co-sponsors in Congress, Ocasio-Cortez said, "You don't necessarily have to replace everybody."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c9ea7e2e4b0bc0daca8c489/amp

People are as afraid of her as they are of Trump

There is a massive difference between providing healthcare to undocumented immigrants or the green new deal (much of which Biden doesn't agree with BTW), positions which would enjoy a lot of support from liberals and moderates, even if they're not central issues, and an obscure, peripheral position on the part of one candidate to publicly pay for sex change operations in prisoners. If you want to argue against the Dems and for Trump and the GOP on those counts, then go for it.

As for the fear of Warren, that must be why the Democratic base just came out and booted her, and is in the process of booting Bernie, to the side in favour of a moderate.

Haven't seen any such course adjustment from the GOP yet.

Here's what you said:

" There is no such lockstep in the Democratic side."

The debates and the New Green Deal would prove your interpretation wrong

Will the Green New Deal be part of Biden's platform?

Were all of the candidates agreed on how to proceed on healthcare?

I don't think so.

FFS the right spent the winter laughing at the Dems for being all over the place in terms of the expectations of the various parts of the coalition and the general disunity. It was only when it looked like Bernie could win that a some sort of coming together around a mild, inoffensive centrist occurred.

Gmac

Biden is being accused of sexual assault by a former staff member
I don't remember his stance on the Kavanaugh situation but it will be interesting to see how this shakes out in next few days , are the dems beginning to believe joe is losing it mentally and  Bernie especially with the current climate is a better bet to beat trump ?