Money, Dublin and the GAA

[twohands!!!]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

Any team has the right to suspend players or managers for rulebreakimg

Of course they do - the thing is did they follow proper procedure in doing this.

If Farrell is ok to carry the can they they are probably fine but if he isn't willing to go along with things it could get massively messy.

[Hound]

Good work DCB.

Error of judgement by Dessie. Appropriately and quickly punished. I hope we can get over this setback

[twohands!!!]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

[Rossfan]

Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?

[twohands!!!]

Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?

There's no way that the powers-that-be can hide behind the DCB suspension even if they wanted to [can't help but think the DCB are wishing Johnny Horan was still in place] - Cork and Down would both have very strong cases to have the loss of their home match overturned.

None of sponsors will decamp now but it definitely is a blow to the Dublin brand.

[dublin7]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

[macker15]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

John Costello has some neck on him!

I think Costello is the one with most questions to answer and suspending Farrell is designed to protect him

Why is that??

[manfromdelmonte]

I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?
Genuinely thought this was an April fools day non story

[macker15]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

John Costello has some neck on him!

I think Costello is the one with most questions to answer and suspending Farrell is designed to protect him

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dublin county board have decided to impose their own suspension so they can start it from now, hoping that HQ won't bother imposing their own ban which would start from the return to competitive action. I hope they don't get away with that shite.

To be fair Mayo CB didn't the Mayo players for their off the field  discretions last year 😉😉. You be very naive if you think your county is not training away.

[macker15]

I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?
Genuinely thought this was an April fools day non story

Every county is at. Dubs were the fools that got stung.

[twohands!!!]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.

[dublin7]

This isn't the US. The GAA disciplinary process is a far more complicated system. You're also using an example that has no relevance to Dessie/Dublin. Dublin suspended Dessie based on the GAA rules and handed out the a suspension more severe than GAA handed out for a similar offence given those managers had the brass neck to appeal to have their ban reduced to 8 weeks

[Blowitupref]

This isn't the US. The GAA disciplinary process is a far more complicated system. You're also using an example that has no relevance to Dessie/Dublin. Dublin suspended Dessie based on the GAA rules and handed out the a suspension more severe than GAA handed out for a similar offence given those managers had the brass neck to appeal to have their ban reduced to 8 weeks

Cork manager Ronan McCarthy failed on his appeal and will serve a 12 week ban. From what I see Dublin GAA basically gave Dessie Farrell the length of a ban they think HQ would have handed out and hope no other action will be taken.

[Armagh18]

Wonder will any of the "Official partners" decamp?
Wonder will Central GAA have the balls to put manners on Dublin or will they hide behind the DCB suspension?

There's no way that the powers-that-be can hide behind the DCB suspension even if they wanted to [can't help but think the DCB are wishing Johnny Horan was still in place] - Cork and Down would both have very strong cases to have the loss of their home match overturned.

None of sponsors will decamp now but it definitely is a blow to the Dublin brand.

A blow to the Dublin brand? How? I highly doubt too many give a f**k. Every team in Ireland is training.

[Gmac]

https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dublin-gaa-statement-on-behalf-of-management-committee

Dublin GAA acknowledge that, following an investigation this afternoon, there was a breach of Covid-19 guidelines yesterday morning.

The County Management Committee have suspended Dublin Senior Football manager Dessie Farrell for 12 weeks with immediate effect.

The Dublin senior football management and players recognise that this was a serious error of judgement and apologise unreservedly for their actions.

Dublin GAA Management Committee

At least Dessie is taking his medicine and isn't brazen enough to appeal the punishment. They must have been training for a while (like other counties) to have a photographer out there at that hour morning of the morning to catch them. Can't have any complaints and at least they dealt with it quickly and decisively

There could well be issues with regards to Dublin's GAA right to suspend him and whether due process was followed by acting so quickly.

Be some disaster for Dublin GAA if Farrell appeals his suspension.

Also could be a bit of a tactical mistake as the CCC will surely ask for the copies of the evidence and the arguments Dublin GAA made to suspend Dessie and will use the same in their case against him.

You can hardly get another 8/12 week suspension for the same crime under the same rule? If that's the case why would Dublin issue any suspension at all

The CCC will most likely punish him as well.  There's close to zero chance they don't. The offence they will be charging him under will be bringing the association (the GAA) into disrepute.

I would say the reason Dublin would issue a suspension is in the hope that it would make things go away on the PR front/try and mitigate the severity of any punishment handed down by the CCC. 

Also handing down an immediate suspension means the clock starts running now. A 12 week suspension starting immediately would expire on the 24th of June. In the Cork and Down cases it was something like 6 weeks between the offence occurring and the clock starting on the suspensions.

This feels like a mis-step by Dublin GAA to me.

If Dessie gets a 2nd ban he'll probably appeal that. GAA HQ have set a precedent when they suspended the other county managers. I don't see how they charge him with anything they didn't charge the other managers with and if it's the same offence as what the dubs punished him for he'll appeal on those grounds.

It says alot about the farcical nature of the GAA disciplinary system that people think Dublin county board somehow made a mistake in acting so quickly and decisively. If they hadn't done anything they'd have been criticized for that.

I'm not a lawyer but I very much think it would be a situation similar to being punished for state and federal crimes in the USA.
The fact that you are charged at one level doesn't give you protection from being charged at the other level.
Think of it this way - if it was the case that being punished by the DCB offered protection from the CCC punishing him, the DCB could simply suspend Farrell for a day, suspend the players for 15 minutes and thumb their noses at the CCC.

The reason I mentioned the speed of the punishment is that the GAA disciplinary system (and pretty much every justice system) have rules and procedure about the accused having time to prepare a defence/make their case/seek advice/ bring along an advocate. If Dessie challenges his DCB punishment, the speed with which the punishment was handed down (less than 24 hours after the story broke) will look very bad. I agree if they hadn't done anything they would have been criticized but if they had issued a statement expressing regret and that they were going to conduct an investigation (similar to the GAA statement)  I don't think most people would have an issue with it.

I wonder were other groups of players training together elsewhere?

There's no way that the other Dublin players weren't training together elsewhere.

There's no logical case you can make that it was only these 9 players who decided to break the rules.

Also someone had to have spotted at least one previous session and tipped off the Independent, they weren't just wandering about North Dublin and stumbled upon the story.

It's three weeks until training is allowed and I don't think anyone is going to try and make the case that Dublin were just going to have this single training session with a third of the squad and they pack away their gear for three weeks - so Dublin were planning on breaking the rules multiple times.

This means that multiple training sessions occurred and more were planned.

The big question is whether the CCC will take this into account in determing  Dublin's punishment.

hopefully sense prevails and sanctioning 30 healthy young men for kicking a ball around and doing some exercise will be a non runner , was dessie there or was it an off the cuff thing . What should happen is the other teams should start training and let the gaa ban them all if they want , they should be encouraging players to get back training and setting up the championship so people have something to look forward to ,