McKenna Cup 2024

[Walter Cronc]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.

The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.

So sledging took place, just not about his deceased father?

The fact that made it a huge issue was not the sledging but the fact that a Donegal player was allegedly taunted about the death of his father. Sledging whatever your opinion of it does happen and is common to see, allegations about players being goaded on issues like dead relatives however is not and this is what garnered the mainstream hysteria.

They were cleared of goading the Donegal player about his dead father. A finding that was accepted from both parties.

Sledging of any form at underage should be stamped out!! The 'sure it happens and is common to see' is not the right approach.

[redhandefender]

Some rubbish be chatted here by people who have clearly never been at a club game or played a club game in the last 10 years!

Such over the top reaction to tyrone again over a mc kenna cup match. Tyrone can be happy in the fact that ulster council took no further action which vindicates tiernan mc cann for an albeit clumsy action but he did not go in to cause damage, rogers head was ducked down in an unnatural position and mc cann wasn't look. Both standing tall mc cann would have bounced off him an went on.

Mc cann goes down to easy, but plenty do. James Kielt took a good nose dive in the last group game.

As for mc carron I doubt he cares little for some 25 stone keyboard warrior who yearns for a big day out in croke park again says on this think.

On one note, we can say nothing about kicking the ball off the tee as mcaliskey done it in the group game. I thought a derry ones would have came back with it here but obviously sat at their keyboards instead of going to watch. Its a hateful action

[WT4E]

All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.

This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!

This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.

Did sledging take place WT4E?

I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.

What is your opinion on that Walt?

Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!

But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!

[Walter Cronc]

Totally wrong for any juvenile to be accused of wrong-doing in the media spotlight. Hindsight is a great thing and looking back Bonner should have dealt with it internally.

My concern is more around this acceptance that sledging is part of the game. Yes while it may take place it should never be part of our games, and it is something that we all have a responsibility to tackle.

[blewuporstuffed]

Some rubbish be chatted here by people who have clearly never been at a club game or played a club game in the last 10 years!

Such over the top reaction to tyrone again over a mc kenna cup match. Tyrone can be happy in the fact that ulster council took no further action which vindicates tiernan mc cann for an albeit clumsy action but he did not go in to cause damage, rogers head was ducked down in an unnatural position and mc cann wasn't look. Both standing tall mc cann would have bounced off him an went on.

Mc cann goes down to easy, but plenty do. James Kielt took a good nose dive in the last group game.

As for mc carron I doubt he cares little for some 25 stone keyboard warrior who yearns for a big day out in croke park again says on this think.

On one note, we can say nothing about kicking the ball off the tee as mcaliskey done it in the group game. I thought a derry ones would have came back with it here but obviously sat at their keyboards instead of going to watch. Its a hateful action

It should be a black card offence, or should, maybe even better result in an additional 2 minutes automatically being added to injury time

[WT4E]

Totally wrong for any juvenile to be accused of wrong-doing in the media spotlight. Hindsight is a great thing and looking back Bonner should have dealt with it internally.

My concern is more around this acceptance that sledging is part of the game. Yes while it may take place it should never be part of our games, and it is something that we all have a responsibility to tackle.

So we agree??

THANK GOD!

[DennistheMenace]

Let's all go round and round in circles discussing which player dives when infact every team has these types of players.

The Derry Tyrone footballing rivalry is a healthy one (albeit one sided thus far) which could drive both teams on but the off the ball antics and conduct of some supporters on both sides has a lot to be desired.

[Gaaboardmod3]

I reported the comment

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And in particular the last sentence. Please do no engage in needless and 'cowardly' abuse of players behind internet pseudonyms. Comment about on field behaviour can me made without needless insults to their character, and comments regarding their private life should be out of bounds altogether. Let that be the end of it please.

[lenny]

All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.

This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!

This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.

Did sledging take place WT4E?

I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.

What is your opinion on that Walt?

Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!

But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!

So you're very worried about this sensitive tyrone lad but not too worried about the Donegal lad who he spent the entire game sledging not too long after the death of his father. That's why it will continue in tyrone just like the diving. When tyrone people sledge and dive they end up being portrayed as the victims by tyrone people while other people around the country rightly criticise their actions.

[WT4E]

All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.

This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!

This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.

Did sledging take place WT4E?

I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.

What is your opinion on that Walt?

Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!

But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!

So you're very worried about this sensitive tyrone lad but not too worried about the Donegal lad who he spent the entire game sledging not too long after the death of his father. That's why it will continue in tyrone just like the diving. When tyrone people sledge and dive they end up being portrayed as the victims by tyrone people while other people around the country rightly criticise their actions.

I was also worried about the Donegal lad - I don't agree with sledging I've said that.

If I was a Donegal supporter I would be questioning why their minor manager used wrong information to report to the media on several occasions which put undue stress on two juveniles and has he has yet to apologise!

[lenny]

All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.

This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!

This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.

Did sledging take place WT4E?

I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.

What is your opinion on that Walt?

Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!

But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!

So you're very worried about this sensitive tyrone lad but not too worried about the Donegal lad who he spent the entire game sledging not too long after the death of his father. That's why it will continue in tyrone just like the diving. When tyrone people sledge and dive they end up being portrayed as the victims by tyrone people while other people around the country rightly criticise their actions.

I was also worried about the Donegal lad - I don't agree with sledging I've said that.

If I was a Donegal supporter I would be questioning why their minor manager used wrong information to report to the media on several occasions which put undue stress on two juveniles and has he has yet to apologise!

Fair enough, Bonner was wrong, he put undue pressure on the 2 lads.

[Walter Cronc]

Totally wrong for any juvenile to be accused of wrong-doing in the media spotlight. Hindsight is a great thing and looking back Bonner should have dealt with it internally.

My concern is more around this acceptance that sledging is part of the game. Yes while it may take place it should never be part of our games, and it is something that we all have a responsibility to tackle.

So we agree??

THANK GOD!

Yes we agree - for now

[WT4E]

I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!

Anyone else??

[redhandefender]

I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!

Anyone else??

Try the middle east lad

[blewuporstuffed]

I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!

Anyone else??

Try Fearon on the clerical abuse thread