McKenna Cup 2024

[general_lee]

The establishment counties?

[Il Bomber Destro]

The establishment counties?

The likes of Dublin and Kerry whose indiscretions are swiftly swept under the rug. Could you imagine Tyrone or Armagh were involved in two separate biting allegations in a couple of years? Or a Tyrone and Armagh player failed a drug test after an All Ireland final?

[general_lee]

An armagh player bate lumps out of a Dublin player last year and it went under the carpet

[Il Bomber Destro]

An armagh player bate lumps out of a Dublin player last year and it went under the carpet

It was a behind closed doors game and the media reporting of matters certainly seemed to portray Armagh as the perpetrators. The facts behind the whole story certainly seem to be much more than that portrayal.

Were you happy with the media reporting of the Armagh Cavan game two years ago and the subsequent portrayals of Armagh that year?

[Moortown Spuds]

He means the powerhouses of the 26.

In all fairness I made the comment as a tongue in cheek comment. Thought the Derry wans wouldn't have took the bait so easily.

Football in general has become "softer", gone are the days of the gallant hits and not showing the chink of weakness that the Derry men of yesteryear typified. All counties have those that will go down holding their face at any oppertunity.

Unfortunately McKindless has now joined a evergrowing rank of players that have a blemish on their own reputation.

[Champion The Wonder Horse]

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

The melee was instigated by Morgan and McCarron, neither of whom play for Derry. The involvement of mckinless and mcnamee didn't constitute a melee until the other two involved themselves, with such speed to hint at premedication. I didn't spot a second melee.
Kicking a ball away, sure I remember reading an interview with Niall Morgan who said that stevie o'neill used to do that all the time to him during Tyrone training matches. You give one example of a dark art by a Derry man that is routinely practiced and honed at Tyrone training, clearly with the full support of the management.
Some clown you are, but keep digging.

[lenny]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

[sensethetone]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

So that's why Derry lost on Saturday night, because you think Tyrone minors didn't get cleared of what happened/didn't happen in a game last may?

[lenny]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

So that's why Derry lost on Saturday night, because you think Tyrone minors didn't get cleared of what happened/didn't happen in a game last may?

You seem to be a bit thick. It's not about what I think. I am just correcting il bomber on what was actually in the report instead of how some tyrone people tried to spin it. Where did I relate this to the losing of the game on sat night.

[lickthem]

He means the powerhouses of the 26.

In all fairness I made the comment as a tongue in cheek comment. Thought the Derry wans wouldn't have took the bait so easily.

Football in general has become "softer", gone are the days of the gallant hits and not showing the chink of weakness that the Derry men of yesteryear typified. All counties have those that will go down holding their face at any oppertunity.

Unfortunately McKindless has now joined a evergrowing rank of players that have a blemish on their own reputation.

100% correct and more's the pity. Any player cheating should be cited and retrospectively banned.

I am glad Derry seem to be playing with a bit of fire in their belly.

Tyrone are a good side and will do well this year. (Hopefully i am wrong about this)

[Il Bomber Destro]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.

The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.

[Walter Cronc]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.

The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.

So sledging took place, just not about his deceased father?

[WT4E]

All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.

This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!

This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.

[Walter Cronc]

All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.

This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!

This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.

Did sledging take place WT4E?

[Il Bomber Destro]

Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?

It wasn't exactly private now was it.  Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.

Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.

Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.

Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.

Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.

A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards.  Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth.  Why?  Because it's an insult.  Now, you posters have to make your choice.  Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes.  I'm cool with either.  What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same.  If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day.  It's your way.  That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.

Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?

Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment).  However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult.  And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.

You're a fuckwit.

The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?

God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.

If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.

You got your just desserts.

Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.

The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.

The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.

So sledging took place, just not about his deceased father?

The fact that made it a huge issue was not the sledging but the fact that a Donegal player was allegedly taunted about the death of his father. Sledging whatever your opinion of it does happen and is common to see, allegations about players being goaded on issues like dead relatives however is not and this is what garnered the mainstream hysteria.

They were cleared of goading the Donegal player about his dead father. A finding that was accepted from both parties.