McKenna Cup 2024

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AustinPowers

Quote from: JoG2 on January 11, 2024, 08:22:19 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 10, 2024, 10:26:09 PMHow did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?

And get treated to home advantage on top

Ah , it's not  what you know, it's who you know  ;)

Orior

Quote from: AustinPowers on January 11, 2024, 12:38:05 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 11, 2024, 08:22:19 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 10, 2024, 10:26:09 PMHow did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?

And get treated to home advantage on top

Ah , it's not  what you know, it's who you know  ;)

It's not who you know, it's who you yes.
Cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians

statto

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
I would expect Oisin to be used inside more than Rian.  Not sure if Oisin has the mobility for intercounty midfield, him and Murnin inside would be some handful. 

Armagh18

Quote from: statto on January 11, 2024, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
I would expect Oisin to be used inside more than Rian.  Not sure if Oisin has the mobility for intercounty midfield, him and Murnin inside would be some handful. 
Suppose the 3 lads you mentioned can all play inside or can come out and win a kickout if needed.

Plenty of options for inside forwards as well with Turbo to come back in, Cian McConville is due a big year and hopefully Nugent can keep his Cullyhanna form going.

statto

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: statto on January 11, 2024, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
I would expect Oisin to be used inside more than Rian.  Not sure if Oisin has the mobility for intercounty midfield, him and Murnin inside would be some handful. 
Suppose the 3 lads you mentioned can all play inside or can come out and win a kickout if needed.

Plenty of options for inside forwards as well with Turbo to come back in, Cian McConville is due a big year and hopefully Nugent can keep his Cullyhanna form going.
Would hope McQuillan can also kick on, think he is a moments player could do nothing all game then have a couple of goals out of nothing.  Outside of Conaty and Woods(who has fell off the radar after a good cameo against Galway in AI quarter final), Armagh aren't really coming down with pace in the attack.

shawshank

Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.

armaghniac

Quote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.

Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

5times5times

No doubt there's someone i've missed out, but Armagh have serious firepower up front, should they stay fit

  • Rian ONeill
  • Oisin ONeill
  • Callum ONeill x2
  • Aidan Nugent
  • Ross McQuillan
  • Jason Duffy
  • Andy Murnin
  • Soupy Campbell
  • Conor Turbitt
  • Cian McConville
  • Rory Grugan
  • Tiernan Kelly
  • Jemar Hall
  • Justin Kieran
  • Oisín Conaty

And good options in midfield

  • Jarly Og Burns
  • Ciaran Mackin
  • Ben Crealey
  • Shane McPartlan
  • Niall Grimley

yellowcard

Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.

yellowcard

Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 04:33:35 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.

Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.

Correct, there was nothing to separate the sides after 100 minutes, just because Derry lifted the cup doesn't make them a better side. Also the previous year Armagh were knocked out to a Galway side on penalties who subsequently beat Derry fairly comfortably in the semi final. I'm not suggesting Armagh are a better side than Derry but if they played again tomorrow with a full hand to pick from then I couldn't call the result either way. 

trailer

Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.

Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.

p3427977

Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMHere we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.

Might as well just give them the cup now

yellowcard

Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.

Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.


It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.

Armagh18

Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 04:33:35 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.

Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
Wouldn't even bite lol.

Did Monaghan and Derry not draw in the group stage last year? Very little between any of those 4 and if Donegal play to their potential they'd be a similar level.

Armagh18

Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.

Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.

Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.

We can dream lol