Has anyone else been keeping an eye on the formation of these teams?
Over the last 40 years, The Sunday Game has brought the GAA football and hurling championships into your homes.
And now, we want you to help us choose the best XV in each code of the TV era - picking the best XV from All-Star winners of the Sunday Game era (1979-present)
They've already voted for the goalkeeper and both full back and half back lines. And voting is open for midfield.
The team so far is:
1. Cluxton
2. Paídí
3. Moynihan
4. Marc O'Sé
5. McCaffrey
6. Keegan
7. Tomas O'Sé
Quote from: Estimator on April 28, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
Has anyone else been keeping an eye on the formation of these teams?
Over the last 40 years, The Sunday Game has brought the GAA football and hurling championships into your homes.
And now, we want you to help us choose the best XV in each code of the TV era - picking the best XV from All-Star winners of the Sunday Game era (1979-present)
They've already voted for the goalkeeper and both full back and half back lines. And voting is open for midfield.
The team so far is:
1. Cluxton
2. Paídí
3. Moynihan
4. Marc O'Sé
5. McCaffrey
6. Keegan
7. Tomas O'Sé
Already looks like farce - would prefer they picked players who actually played in the positions
Quote from: Estimator on April 28, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
Has anyone else been keeping an eye on the formation of these teams?
Over the last 40 years, The Sunday Game has brought the GAA football and hurling championships into your homes.
And now, we want you to help us choose the best XV in each code of the TV era - picking the best XV from All-Star winners of the Sunday Game era (1979-present)
They've already voted for the goalkeeper and both full back and half back lines. And voting is open for midfield.
The team so far is:
1. Cluxton
2. Paídí
3. Moynihan
4. Marc O'Sé
5. McCaffrey
6. Keegan
7. Tomas O'Sé
Half the backs from one family.
Keegan very good no doubt but not best ever territory imo. Marc O'Se the same.
Marc O'Se is probably the most overrated player of the past 20 years.
Karl Lacey should be a shoe in on that team.
Slight bias towards the second twenty years so far.
Id have Tomas, I'd give Paidi a pass as he was really before my time.... Marc tho? That's just funny, tho not half as funny as the fact he has a POTY award and the Gooch none
Philip Jordan simply has to be no 7.......why play tomas there when he was 5 all his life......
Keith Higgins left back for me.
Marc O'Sé ;D
I suppose having the surname helps!
Keegan can't be considered - no All Ireland medal (and Intermediate Club medals don't count). Without an AI medal you are nothing in Gaelic football!
There were decent defenders in the Great Meath and Cork teams of the late 80's early 90's.
These are via public vote?
Philip Jordan best half back of his generation. Farcical not to include him. It's a team picked on who is best connected in Donnybrook.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 29, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
These are via public vote?
Yes, selections are by public vote. They are moving one line at a time. If a player has an All Star in two different positions they can obviously only be picked for one. For example Paídí was picked in the full back line and so was excluded from being picked in the HB line. They are at midfield now in both the football and hurling teams.
In fairness, the hurling team is a similar mess. FB line doesn't include any Kilkenny men - Corcoran, Lohan, O'Sullivan. Tommy Walsh is the only Kilkenny man in back 6.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 29, 2020, 12:13:27 AM
Marc O'Sé ;D
I suppose having the surname helps!
Keegan can't be considered - no All Ireland medal (and Intermediate Club medals don't count). Without an AI medal you are nothing in Gaelic football!
There were decent defenders in the Great Meath and Cork teams of the late 80's early 90's.
Definitely recency bias at play. Martin O'Connell and Stephen O'Brien are two examples from the teams you mention who were as good as _almost_ any.
Quote from: trailer on April 29, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
Philip Jordan best half back of his generation. Farcical not to include him. It's a team picked on who is best connected in Donnybrook.
Philip Jordan wasn't even mentioned by the panel as unlucky to miss out even though they mentioned 15 odd other players.
That Tyrone team won 3 all Irelands during that period yet Ricey McMenamin was the only player mentioned ??? :o
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2020, 08:33:17 PM
Keegan very good no doubt but not best ever territory imo. Marc O'Se the same.
Keegan has excellent scoring rate for a defender. Scored 7-43 in 54 championship games.
He may not look like the most natural of footballers but Keegan was exceptionally effective, he was a brilliant man marker and always was able to kick a score too; I think he's got 2 goals in AI finals.
Mark O'Se has no business in that team.
I wouldnt dispute Keegan in that team - not only did he kick scores but many times he was tasked with a man marking job as well.
The issue I have would be playing him at number 6 - I think he played number 5 in almost every big game.
Moving the counters to fit certain players in ::)
I would not dispute Keegan in that team also, he was/is consistently top 5 player in the country. Is he the best wing back over the last 30 years? different era's etc.
Being biased, and i am biased, i would have James McCarthy in there somewhere, Jordan too, its really hard to leave players out also. Everyone remembers AI winners and finals, those players get the spotlight.
Quote from: gaafan2 on April 29, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 29, 2020, 09:43:24 AM
Philip Jordan best half back of his generation. Farcical not to include him. It's a team picked on who is best connected in Donnybrook.
Philip Jordan wasn't even mentioned by the panel as unlucky to miss out even though they mentioned 15 odd other players.
That Tyrone team won 3 all Irelands during that period yet Ricey McMenamin was the only player mentioned ??? :o
Irish Times
"Football's big two, Dublin and Kerry, have 12 of the last 17 All-Irelands"
They usually win half of the Sams.
They will predominate in All Stars over 40 years.
The current voting is for midfield
I would go for Jack O'Shea and Anthony Tohill
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0420/1132686-all-stars-of-the-sunday-game-era-football-midfield/
The List
Dermot Earley (Roscommon)
Bernard Brogan (Dublin)
Jack O'Shea (Kerry)
Seán Walsh (Kerry)
Willie Joe Padden (Mayo)
Plunkett Donaghy (Tyrone)
Gerry McEntee (Meath)
Brian McGilligan (Derry)
Shea Fahy (Cork)
Liam Hayes (Meath)
Teddy McCarthy (Cork)
Anthony Molloy (Donegal)
Anthony Tohill (Derry)
Brian Stynes (Dublin)
Liam McHale (Mayo)
John McDermott (Meath)
Niall Buckley (Kildare)
Kevin Walsh (Galway)
Ciarán Whelan (Dublin)
Darragh Ó Sé (Kerry)
Paul McGrane (Armagh)
Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Dermot Earley (Kildare)
Bryan Sheehan (Kerry)
Michael Darragh MacAuley (Dublin)
Aidan Walsh (Cork)
Neil Gallagher (Donegal)
Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
David Moran (Kerry)
Brian Howard
Aidan Walsh?
Seriously?
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
Aidan Walsh?
Seriously?
I guess from 2010 to 2012 his performances were top class. Since then, not so much.
Quote from: shark on April 30, 2020, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
Aidan Walsh?
Seriously?
I guess from 2010 to 2012 his performances were top class. Since then, not so much.
I was shocked to read this morning he had 2 All Stars.
Quote from: shark on April 30, 2020, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
Aidan Walsh?
Seriously?
I guess from 2010 to 2012 his performances were top class. Since then, not so much.
With all due respect his performances were not top class. He had a good game in the final against a Down side that had no real midfield and the chap could not kick a ball straight. He was a big mullocker in a team of big mullockers for a side who won the softest All Ireland in the last 40 years.
Surely there are also better options than Brian Sheehan there who was a bit part player for Kerry for most of his career?
Quote from: Estimator on April 28, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
Has anyone else been keeping an eye on the formation of these teams?
Over the last 40 years, The Sunday Game has brought the GAA football and hurling championships into your homes.
And now, we want you to help us choose the best XV in each code of the TV era - picking the best XV from All-Star winners of the Sunday Game era (1979-present)
They've already voted for the goalkeeper and both full back and half back lines. And voting is open for midfield.
The team so far is:
1. Cluxton
2. Paídí
3. Moynihan
4. Marc O'Sé
5. McCaffrey
6. Keegan
7. Tomas O'Sé
Give me McKeever, Scullion and Lockhart over that full back line.
Tier 1 is O'Shea, Tohill, Fenton and Cavanagh.
Then this huge gap.
To the point that voting on anyone else is daft.
I'm 45 years of age and the best full back I've seen was Barry Owens (fermanagh), class act. Seamus Moynihan was a centre half back, he was only plugging gaps at full back. Ronan Clarke and Pauric Joyce both took him to the cleaners in All Ireland finals.
Quote from: ardtole on May 01, 2020, 10:15:12 AM
I'm 45 years of age and the best full back I've seen was Barry Owens (fermanagh), class act. Seamus Moynihan was a centre half back, he was only plugging gaps at full back. Ronan Clarke and Pauric Joyce both took him to the cleaners in All Ireland finals.
I would have Darren Fay well ahead of Moynihan who was a filler in as a FB.
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 07:28:44 AM
Quote from: shark on April 30, 2020, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
Aidan Walsh?
Seriously?
I guess from 2010 to 2012 his performances were top class. Since then, not so much.
With all due respect his performances were not top class. He had a good game in the final against a Down side that had no real midfield and the chap could not kick a ball straight. He was a big mullocker in a team of big mullockers for a side who won the softest All Ireland in the last 40 years.
He was 19 in 2009 when won U21 AI and was 1 of Corks main players when Cork won the AI in 2010 (winning 2 Allstars and young player of the year wasn't controversial). He won National League medals as well in 2010, 2011, 2012. He might not have been the Gooch in terms of skill but he was good at what he was good at which was winning the ball and giving it to someone else and getting up and down the pitch. If anything leaving the football panel and switching to hurling in 2014 was a surprise.
When you look at who they've selected so far, this process would appear to have no credibility.
Quote from: Maiden1 on May 01, 2020, 10:56:50 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2020, 07:28:44 AM
Quote from: shark on April 30, 2020, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
Aidan Walsh?
Seriously?
I guess from 2010 to 2012 his performances were top class. Since then, not so much.
With all due respect his performances were not top class. He had a good game in the final against a Down side that had no real midfield and the chap could not kick a ball straight. He was a big mullocker in a team of big mullockers for a side who won the softest All Ireland in the last 40 years.
He was 19 in 2009 when won U21 AI and was 1 of Corks main players when Cork won the AI in 2010 (winning 2 Allstars and young player of the year wasn't controversial). He won National League medals as well in 2010, 2011, 2012. He might not have been the Gooch in terms of skill but he was good at what he was good at which was winning the ball and giving it to someone else and getting up and down the pitch. If anything leaving the football panel and switching to hurling in 2014 was a surprise.
He was a very average player who played on an average team that won the softest All Ireland on record in the past 30-40 years. His decision making was terrible, he was very poor at kicking the ball. He was a big lad who could cover a bit of ground and win some ball but he wasn't a good or overly effective player. It's one thing having your limitations - you could level that against a good few of those names there but they tended to know what they were good at and covered that ground - Walsh was the type of player who would make you pull your hair out such was the amount of stupid things he would do routinely on a GAA pitch.
Someone like Rory Kavanagh was a far superior player without any of the fanfare that Walsh got.
He was basically Dick Clerkin with a mop of hair.
Would he have got near any of the other All Ireland winning teams of that time? I don't think he would have.
I would suggest that none of that full back line are worth a place in those positions. Moynahan for me at 6 instead of Keegan although James McCarthy would be unlucky to lose out to Tomas. Conor Gormley for me in anywhere in the full back line. He was Tyrone's go to man marker not Ricey (who was a brilliant player in his own respect). Johnny Cooper likewise would have to be in there and the third would be Tony Scullion. You could play any off them in anyone of the three positions.
The halfback line is a mine field to pick.
What are the odds on Darragh O'Se making it three brothers from Donnybrook with the media darlings the Brogans both getting on the forward line.
I've read Johnny cooper mentioned a few times but really don't think he is up there with this level of player. No doubt he is a good man to do a job but not this calibre of player imo. When Donegal did Dublin in that quarter final in 2012 the main reason imo was cooper was chb and Donegal raided right through the centre at will where he was meant to be. Clifford made him look very average in last year's final(though to be fair would do that to most).
Moynihan for me is a 5. He went to fb when Kerry had a big gap there but not his best position.
Agree about gormley. Versatility possibly his undoing in these things.
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
It wouldn't be RTE if it wasn't a Dublin and Kerry love in.
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
That's about the tall and short of it for Dara, v good but not elite on a par with Paul McGrane, John McDermott ... Tohill easily better not even a question. J70 prob still smarting from all those Donegal men bouncing of him in the 93 UF
Quote from: Tatler Jack on May 01, 2020, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: ardtole on May 01, 2020, 10:15:12 AM
I'm 45 years of age and the best full back I've seen was Barry Owens (fermanagh), class act. Seamus Moynihan was a centre half back, he was only plugging gaps at full back. Ronan Clarke and Pauric Joyce both took him to the cleaners in All Ireland finals.
I would have Darren Fay well ahead of Moynihan who was a filler in as a FB.
To me the media love in with Moynihan started with one catch. An all Kerry full back line is hilarious, any average all star full forward line would make mince meat out of them.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
That's about the tall and short of it for Dara, v good but not elite on a par with Paul McGrane, John McDermott ... Tohill easily better not even a question. J70 prob still smarting from all those Donegal men bouncing of him in the 93 UF
I'll grant you that that was about the most awesome single senior football performance I've ever seen.
In terms of single-handedly dominating a game, a few of Murphy's performances last year would come close, but not quite. Whelan against us in the 2002 quarter final replay too.
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
That's about the tall and short of it for Dara, v good but not elite on a par with Paul McGrane, John McDermott ... Tohill easily better not even a question. J70 prob still smarting from all those Donegal men bouncing of him in the 93 UF
I'll grant you that that was about the most awesome single senior football performance I've ever seen.
In terms of single-handedly dominating a game, a few of Murphy's performances last year would come close, but not quite. Whelan against us in the 2002 quarter final replay too.
Dooher 07 gotta be in there too? ;)
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
That's about the tall and short of it for Dara, v good but not elite on a par with Paul McGrane, John McDermott ... Tohill easily better not even a question. J70 prob still smarting from all those Donegal men bouncing of him in the 93 UF
I'll grant you that that was about the most awesome single senior football performance I've ever seen.
In terms of single-handedly dominating a game, a few of Murphy's performances last year would come close, but not quite. Whelan against us in the 2002 quarter final replay too.
Dooher 07 gotta be in there too? ;)
I think the game was over by the time he mouthed his way into an uppercut from Colm McFadden. ;) ;D
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
That's about the tall and short of it for Dara, v good but not elite on a par with Paul McGrane, John McDermott ... Tohill easily better not even a question. J70 prob still smarting from all those Donegal men bouncing of him in the 93 UF
I'll grant you that that was about the most awesome single senior football performance I've ever seen.
In terms of single-handedly dominating a game, a few of Murphy's performances last year would come close, but not quite. Whelan against us in the 2002 quarter final replay too.
Dooher 07 gotta be in there too? ;)
I think the game was over by the time he mouthed his way into an uppercut from Colm McFadden. ;) ;D
Pure Donegal ignorance, made all the worse by the fact it was meant for Coldrick.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2020, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2020, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2020, 01:37:09 PM
Midfield O'Shea and O'Se for me
Tohill unlucky
Darragh O'Se very over rated. When it was properly put up to him he never won the battle. Played in an alright Kerry side that when tested usually lost.
That's about the tall and short of it for Dara, v good but not elite on a par with Paul McGrane, John McDermott ... Tohill easily better not even a question. J70 prob still smarting from all those Donegal men bouncing of him in the 93 UF
I'll grant you that that was about the most awesome single senior football performance I've ever seen.
In terms of single-handedly dominating a game, a few of Murphy's performances last year would come close, but not quite. Whelan against us in the 2002 quarter final replay too.
Dooher 07 gotta be in there too? ;)
I think the game was over by the time he mouthed his way into an uppercut from Colm McFadden. ;) ;D
Pure Donegal ignorance, made all the worse by the fact it was meant for Coldrick.
;D
No harm, but if Tohill isn't one of the midfield pairing then the selection is a joke.
I like articles written by Tomas and Dara and I liked them as footballers and people but I have said for a long time that I think the O'Se lads shouldn't all get on every one of these teams.......just seems that people put them down without putting any real thought into it.
Moynihan too, should not be full back but maybe somewhere else.....Fenton has to be midfield and for me with Tohill or Cavanagh but prob go to 2 Kerry men.....
Quote from: The Trap on May 01, 2020, 09:15:12 PM
I like articles written by Tomas and Dara and I liked them as footballers and people but I have said for a long time that I think the O'Se lads shouldn't all get on every one of these teams.......just seems that people put them down without putting any real thought into it.
Moynihan too, should not be full back but maybe somewhere else.....Fenton has to be midfield and for me with Tohill or Cavanagh but prob go to 2 Kerry men.....
To the victors, the spoils...and all that!
Watched some of the podcast this morning about the midfielders. Voting at present is:
1. Jack O'Shea - 5500 votes
2. Brian Fenton - 4200
3. Dara O'Se - 2600
4. Anthony Tohill
5. Sean Cavanagh
6. Dermot Early
7. Aiden O'Se
8. WJ McPadden
9. John McDermott
10. Ciaran Whelan
It is impossible to compare players from different eras.
It always has been.
.
John McDermott was superb. He wasn't the cleanest at times but a great footballer. Deserves to be much higher up that list.
Quote from: seafoid on May 02, 2020, 02:17:43 PM
It is impossible to compare players from different eras.
It always has been.
.
Television coverage was poor in the early days of the Sunday Game. Few games were covered.
40 years is too broad a timeline. If they went for best 15 of the 80's 90's 00's and 10's it would be more reflective of each era and the brand of football.
Quote from: Estimator on May 02, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
Watched some of the podcast this morning about the midfielders. Voting at present is:
1. Jack O'Shea - 5500 votes
2. Brian Fenton - 4200
3. Dara O'Se - 2600
4. Anthony Tohill
5. Sean Cavanagh
6. Dermot Early
7. Aiden O'Se
8. WJ McPadden
9. John McDermott
10. Ciaran Whelan
The top ten midfielders of the All Star era and Brian Mullins isn't in it?
A joke!
Quote from: Estimator on May 02, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
Watched some of the podcast this morning about the midfielders. Voting at present is:
1. Jack O'Shea - 5500 votes
2. Brian Fenton - 4200
3. Dara O'Se - 2600
4. Anthony Tohill
5. Sean Cavanagh
6. Dermot Early
7. Aiden O'Se
8. WJ McPadden
9. John McDermott
10. Ciaran Whelan
Fenton and Tohill would be my choice. Two class, all round footballers who are/were good for 3/4 points a game while still dominating around the middle.
Fenton better than Tohill??? Seriously???
Tohill and Jacko are miles ahead of the rest.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 04, 2020, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 02, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
Watched some of the podcast this morning about the midfielders. Voting at present is:
1. Jack O'Shea - 5500 votes
2. Brian Fenton - 4200
3. Dara O'Se - 2600
4. Anthony Tohill
5. Sean Cavanagh
6. Dermot Early
7. Aiden O'Se
8. WJ McPadden
9. John McDermott
10. Ciaran Whelan
The top ten midfielders of the All Star era and Brian Mullins isn't in it?
A joke!
In fairness Mullins had a bad Car accident in 1980 and never reached the heights of previous years.
It should be two from Cavanagh/Fenton/Tohill for me.
Jack O'Shea a bit before my time.
Cavanagh achieved more than Tohill but probably isn't the most likeable individual. His performances in the big games at the biggest moments were absolutely clutch.
Quote from: Angelo on May 04, 2020, 07:21:32 PM
It should be two from Cavanagh/Fenton/Tohill for me.
Jack O'Shea a bit before my time to appreciate his peak.
Cavanagh achieved more than Tohill but probably isn't the most likeable individual. His performances in the big games at the biggest moments were absolutely clutch.
You can take your pick of the half forwards now.
Looking at how the voting has gone so far, I'd say the HF line will be Spillane, Connolly and AN Other [but must be from Kerry or Dublin ;) ]
Quote from: Estimator on May 04, 2020, 08:27:52 PM
You can take your pick of the half forwards now.
Looking at how the voting has gone so far, I'd say the HF line will be Spillane, Connolly and AN Other [but must be from Kerry or Dublin ;) ]
Connolly. ::)
I would pick at least 10 of that list before him - Cavanagh, Spillane, Connor, Canavan, Giles, Donnellan, Dooher, Brogan, Flynn, Murphy, Kilkenny.
Totally agree, mup
Connolly hugely overrated
Quote from: BennyCake on May 05, 2020, 10:47:36 AM
Totally agree, mup
Connolly hugely overrated
Hugely underrated, was the best player in the country for about 2-3 years running at his prime and settled for all Ireland's instead of individual player awards. Everyone outside of Dublin would disagree of course.! :)
Is Michelle Smith included in lists of the greatest Irish Olympians?
Is Lance Armstrong on the list of greatest cyclists?
Is Ben Johnson up there with the greatest sprinters?
No Dublin player should be included in lists such as this if they played in the doping years. Basically anyone who played this century.
Quote from: mup on May 05, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 04, 2020, 08:27:52 PM
You can take your pick of the half forwards now.
Looking at how the voting has gone so far, I'd say the HF line will be Spillane, Connolly and AN Other [but must be from Kerry or Dublin ;) ]
Connolly. ::)
I would pick at least 10 of that list before him - Cavanagh, Spillane, Connor, Canavan, Giles, Donnellan, Dooher, Brogan, Flynn, Murphy, Kilkenny.
I'm not suggesting I'd pick Connolly, just saying that given the way the team has been selected so far it's the likely outcome, with all three being from either Kerry or Dublin.
Quote from: priceyreilly on May 05, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Is Michelle Smith included in lists of the greatest Irish Olympians?
Is Lance Armstrong on the list of greatest cyclists?
Is Ben Johnson up there with the greatest sprinters?
No Dublin player should be included in lists such as this if they played in the doping years. Basically anyone who played this century.
Scurrilous comment
All 3 you mentioned were banned for Drug abuse .
apart from a semi retired Carlow footballer / why would you tar all modern footballers names.
name names or show evidence of an overwhelming drug culture in the GAA or else delete you account
Quote from: rosnarun on May 05, 2020, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on May 05, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Is Michelle Smith included in lists of the greatest Irish Olympians?
Is Lance Armstrong on the list of greatest cyclists?
Is Ben Johnson up there with the greatest sprinters?
No Dublin player should be included in lists such as this if they played in the doping years. Basically anyone who played this century.
Scurrilous comment
All 3 you mentioned were banned for Drug abuse .
apart from a semi retired Carlow footballer / why would you tar all modern footballers names.
name names or show evidence of an overwhelming drug culture in the GAA or else delete you account
Go back to sleep.
Quote from: priceyreilly on May 05, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Is Michelle Smith included in lists of the greatest Irish Olympians?
Is Lance Armstrong on the list of greatest cyclists?
Is Ben Johnson up there with the greatest sprinters?
No Dublin player should be included in lists such as this if they played in the doping years. Basically anyone who played this century.
Ah. There he is. Missed these ramblings
Quote from: priceyreilly on May 05, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Is Michelle Smith included in lists of the greatest Irish Olympians?
Is Lance Armstrong on the list of greatest cyclists?
Is Ben Johnson up there with the greatest sprinters?
No Dublin player should be included in lists such as this if they played in the doping years. Basically anyone who played this century.
Pricey Reilly or p***k Reilly???
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Quote from: priceyreilly on May 05, 2020, 11:06:23 AM
Is Michelle Smith included in lists of the greatest Irish Olympians?
Is Lance Armstrong on the list of greatest cyclists?
Is Ben Johnson up there with the greatest sprinters?
No Dublin player should be included in lists such as this if they played in the doping years. Basically anyone who played this century.
Scurrilous comment
All 3 you mentioned were banned for Drug abuse .
apart from a semi retired Carlow footballer / why would you tar all modern footballers names.
name names or show evidence of an overwhelming drug culture in the GAA or else delete you account
Go back to sleep.
good point
I missed that piece of evidence
I think Connolly is overrated, ability wise arguably the most talented player in the last decade but we've not seen enough of it; He's ever been one of Dublin's most important players.
Quote from: rosnarun on May 05, 2020, 04:08:29 PM
good point
I missed that piece of evidence
You missed a lot of things, you simpleton.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 05, 2020, 06:28:22 PM
I think Connolly is overrated, ability wise arguably the most talented player in the last decade but we've not seen enough of it; He's ever been one of Dublin's most important players.
Connolly work rate is often overlooked .We wouldn't have won 2011 without him when he came into game in last 10 minutes after a poor 60 minutes. Between Gilroy faith in him and Jim Gavin in taking over in 2013 Diarmuid upped his game to next level in 2013-16. He made major impact off the bench in 2017 final and turned over David Moran for equalising point in drawn AI final last year. His game wasn't about scoring 1-5, he is a playmaker getting the ball into inside line. He still has impressive scoring record of 29-168(255) in 109 championship/league games for Dublin.
According to the Podcast the Voting for the half forward line so far is:
1. P Spillane 5,300 votes
2. P Canavan 2,600
3. D Connolly 2,500
4. M Murphy
5. C McDonald
6. M Connor
7. C Kilkenny
8. M. Donnellan
9. D O'Sullivan
10. T Giles
There are only 500 votes separating Canavan and Connor
Connolly third? What a joke.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 09, 2020, 10:22:43 AM
Connolly third? What a joke.
Some people believe that he packs a punch.
Do kerry have some sorta campaign goin or something? Spillane twice as many votes as the next man...I mean how many really mind him playing like? I'm no nipper and i only mine seeing him running around like a headless chicken agin down in 91.
And Then theres Marc O'Se..... ;D ;D which is still hilarious esp after watching Michael Meehans destruction of him in 2008. At the time I thought that this was the point that the consensus became that his POTY award was a farce.
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
According to the Podcast the Voting for the half forward line so far is:
1. P Spillane 5,300 votes
2. P Canavan 2,600
3. D Connolly 2,500
4. M Murphy
5. C McDonald
6. M Connor
7. C Kilkenny
8. M. Donnellan
9. D O'Sullivan
10. T Giles
There are only 500 votes separating Canavan and Connor
Donnellan, Murphy and Connolly for me. Tough choice though, the only one I would rule out is McDonald.
Tyrone man or not, Canavan is 100% in that line. As is Murphy.
Donnellan just shades third place.
Connolly was on the bus home long ago.
Not a mention of Larry Tompkins?
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 10, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Not a mention of Larry Tompkins?
Not a mention of 1987 to 1995 from start to finish. Tohill being an exception. I wonder why? Almost like that period of time didnt happen.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 10, 2020, 09:52:46 AM
Tyrone man or not, Canavan is 100% in that line. As is Murphy.
Donnellan just shades third place.
Connolly was on the bus home long ago.
Don't remember Canavan playing centre forward? He should be left corner forward. Matt Connor was a full forward. Michael Murphy was midfielder or full forward. Donnellan career was cut short by injury.
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Tyrone man or not, Canavan is 100% in that line. As is Murphy.
Donnellan just shades third place.
Connolly was on the bus home long ago.
Don't remember Canavan playing centre forward? He should be left corner forward. Matt Connor was a full forward. Michael Murphy was midfielder or full forward. Donnellan career was cut short by injury.
Agree about canavan, I don't remember him playing a lot of county football in the half forward line.
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Tyrone man or not, Canavan is 100% in that line. As is Murphy.
Donnellan just shades third place.
Connolly was on the bus home long ago.
Don't remember Canavan playing centre forward? He should be left corner forward. Matt Connor was a full forward. Michael Murphy was midfielder or full forward. Donnellan career was cut short by injury.
Agree about canavan, I don't remember him playing a lot of county football in the half forward line.
Spillane and Cavanagh were on the podcast. And the topic of where players were being selected came up. Spillane believed that Canavan shouldn't be selected in the HF line as he was primarily a corner forward. He went on to say that if you asked Tyrone people to name their best ever Tyrone 'Half Forward' Line, Canavan wouldn't be considered. He was glowing in his praise for Frank McGuigan (having played with him in NYC). Pat reckoned that the best Tyrone HF line would be Dooher / Frank / Brian McGuigan. Cavanagh agreed in the sense that when you think about Peter, its him playing in the full forward line scoring from all angles. For me, he is definitely on the team, but he should be in Corner Forward.
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Not a mention of Larry Tompkins?
I've always thought Tompkins was underrated, the best player in the country from 1987-1990 although I was only a kid. You only have to listen to what the Meath players say about him and how most of their pre-match talks were about stopping Tompkins; His free taking was outrageous too, the free against Mayo from the Hogan stand side is about as good as you'd ever see as was his free against Meath which should have won the 1988 All Ireland. Looking at that list of the genuine centre half forwards I'd pick Tompkins over Blaney, Fallon, McDonald, McGuigan & Giles.
Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 10, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Not a mention of Larry Tompkins?
I've always thought Tompkins was underrated, the best player in the country from 1987-1990 although I was only a kid. You only have to listen to what the Meath players say about him and how most of their pre-match talks were about stopping Tompkins; His free taking was outrageous too, the free against Mayo from the Hogan stand side is about as good as you'd ever see as was his free against Meath which should have won the 1988 All Ireland. Looking at that list of the genuine centre half forwards I'd pick Tompkins over Blaney, Fallon, McDonald, McGuigan & Giles.
+1
Larry Tompkins has 6 Munster football titles! Cork won 7 titles between 1987 and 1995! Tompkins had a huge say in the domination over Kerry during this period!
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 10, 2020, 05:24:06 AM
Do kerry have some sorta campaign goin or something? Spillane twice as many votes as the next man...I mean how many really mind him playing like? I'm no nipper and i only mine seeing him running around like a headless chicken agin down in 91.
And Then theres Marc O'Se..... ;D ;D which is still hilarious esp after watching Michael Meehans destruction of him in 2008. At the time I thought that this was the point that the consensus became that his POTY award was a farce.
Spillane was 36 in 1991. He was in his 17th year as a Kerry Footballer and one of the pioneers to make a come back from Cruciate ligament injury in 1983, when the such an injury meant the end of ones sporting career back then. To surmise that he was useless based on a performance in 1991 when he was an old man (football wise) is madness.
If there is any gripe about Spillane being picked as a half forward, it's that he rarely play there. He played all over the pitch. The lad in his prime was everywhere on the pitch! And that half of his best football was played pre-1980.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on May 10, 2020, 05:24:06 AM
Do kerry have some sorta campaign goin or something? Spillane twice as many votes as the next man...I mean how many really mind him playing like? I'm no nipper and i only mine seeing him running around like a headless chicken agin down in 91.
And Then theres Marc O'Se..... ;D ;D which is still hilarious esp after watching Michael Meehans destruction of him in 2008. At the time I thought that this was the point that the consensus became that his POTY award was a farce.
Spillane was 36 in 1991. He was in his 17th year as a Kerry Footballer and one of the pioneers to make a come back from Cruciate ligament injury in 1983, when the such an injury meant the end of ones sporting career back then. To surmise that he was useless based on a performance in 1991 when he was an old man (football wise) is madness.
If there is any gripe about Spillane being picked as a half forward, it's that he rarely play there. He played all over the pitch. The lad in his prime was everywhere on the pitch! And that half of his best football was played pre-1980.
My point is that it's been 30 years since he played and prob nearly 40 since his prime, your prob ruling out half the viewing public in that case but still hes got twice as many as anyone else.
To vote for him based on what others declare him to be is madness
Quote from: BennyCake on May 10, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 10, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Not a mention of Larry Tompkins?
I've always thought Tompkins was underrated, the best player in the country from 1987-1990 although I was only a kid. You only have to listen to what the Meath players say about him and how most of their pre-match talks were about stopping Tompkins; His free taking was outrageous too, the free against Mayo from the Hogan stand side is about as good as you'd ever see as was his free against Meath which should have won the 1988 All Ireland. Looking at that list of the genuine centre half forwards I'd pick Tompkins over Blaney, Fallon, McDonald, McGuigan & Giles.
He kicked the equalising point from a free with the last kick of the game in the AI semi final against Galway in 87 too. Although it was never a free in the first place I might add.
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Quote from: BennyCake on May 10, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
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Quote from: BennyCake on May 10, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
Is it?
I think his performances last year were probably the best we seen from him, he was an absolute inspiration in the Super 8s game with Kerry. 2 of his 3 all stars have been in the HF line and he's played the vast amount of his intercounty career there.
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Not a mention of Larry Tompkins?
I've always thought Tompkins was underrated, the best player in the country from 1987-1990 although I was only a kid. You only have to listen to what the Meath players say about him and how most of their pre-match talks were about stopping Tompkins; His free taking was outrageous too, the free against Mayo from the Hogan stand side is about as good as you'd ever see as was his free against Meath which should have won the 1988 All Ireland. Looking at that list of the genuine centre half forwards I'd pick Tompkins over Blaney, Fallon, McDonald, McGuigan & Giles.
He kicked the equalising point from a free with the last kick of the game in the AI semi final against Galway in 87 too. Although it was never a free in the first place I might add.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zmjJXkykg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zmjJXkykg)
Yes, very soft free.
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
I didn't realise blaney was on the list. He was an unbelievable player, definitely the best all round chf in the last 35 years or so. He was so strong and such a good footballer, it's a travesty if he isn't in the team.
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
Brian McGuigan?
Always felt McGuigan was hugely overrated. He doesn't compare to Blaney.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 12, 2020, 11:23:05 AM
Always felt McGuigan was hugely overrated. He doesn't compare to Blaney.
I don't think he has any business being mentioned in the same category as Giles, Tompkins, Fallon or McDonald either.
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
I didn't realise blaney was on the list. He was an unbelievable player, definitely the best all round chf in the last 35 years or so. He was so strong and such a good footballer, it's a travesty if he isn't in the team.
Blaney was the best CHF I have ever seen. He had it all, vision, ability to win dirty ball, he could tackle and he could score. He even pulled his sock up.
Where did Maurice Fitz play? If he was a half forward, he'd be hard to go past.
M Donnellan....when on form was unstoppable, but had quite a few off days.
For me Brian McGuigan was overratted too, good footballer not doubt, but wasn't all that.
Brian Dooher (as much as I didnt like him) would have to get a WHF slot. The single biggest reason Tyrone won as much as they did IMO.
Trevor Giles was some baller too.
I've only just come upon this thread and havent seen all the results up until now. I'm biased too, but Kieran McKeever, Tony Scullion and Sean Marty Lockhart are as good a full back line as I've ever seen.
MF, Anthony Tohill was the best I've ever seen...even compared to more modern day footballers.
The second Midfielder for me would be John McDermott/MD McAuley. Both under-ratted IMO. Both very influential, hard running players who would dig a team out of a hole just when needed.
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
I didn't realise blaney was on the list. He was an unbelievable player, definitely the best all round chf in the last 35 years or so. He was so strong and such a good footballer, it's a travesty if he isn't in the team.
Blaney was the best CHF I have ever seen. He had it all, vision, ability to win dirty ball, he could tackle and he could score. He even pulled his sock up.
Where did Maurice Fitz play? If he was a half forward, he'd be hard to go past.
M Donnellan....when on form was unstoppable, but had quite a few off days.
For me Brian McGuigan was overratted too, good footballer not doubt, but wasn't all that.
Brian Dooher (as much as I didnt like him) would have to get a WHF slot. The single biggest reason Tyrone won as much as they did IMO.
Trevor Giles was some baller too.
I've only just come upon this thread and havent seen all the results up until now. I'm biased too, but Kieran McKeever, Tony Scullion and Sean Marty Lockhart are as good a full back line as I've ever seen.
MF, Anthony Tohill was the best I've ever seen...even compared to more modern day footballers.
The second Midfielder for me would be John McDermott/MD McAuley. Both under-ratted IMO. Both very influential, hard running players who would dig a team out of a hole just when needed.
MacAuley?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
Is it?
I think his performances last year were probably the best we seen from him, he was an absolute inspiration in the Super 8s game with Kerry. 2 of his 3 all stars have been in the HF line and he's played the vast amount of his intercounty career there.
Don't get me wrong I think Murphy is the best footballer in the Country for the last 10 years and he can play anywhere and be fantastic but Donegal needed him out the field which is why he played there. Had he been around in the 90s/early noughties he would have been unstoppable at FF as he always is when isolated one on one.
Ironically a player who suffered from the introduction of the blanket defence!
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Always felt McGuigan was hugely overrated. He doesn't compare to Blaney.
I don't think he has any business being mentioned in the same category as Giles, Tompkins, Fallon or McDonald either.
I disagree entirely lads, he wasn't rated highly enough. He was the key that unlocked that Tyrone forward line, in particular for Mulligan and O'Neill. He may not be as flashy as the players above but what he did was completely effortless and his footballing brain and ability to pick a pass were on a different level. The only criticism you could potentially throw his way that he didn't contribute heavily enough on the scoreboard but he certainly chipped in with his fair share in all the big games. To come back at the top level and win an All Ireland after the eye injury he received in club football in 2007 which affected his vision, which was a large part of his game, certainly means he should be in the conversation.
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Blaney! Forgot about him.
Donnellan out, Blaney in.
Canavan a corner forward yes, but sure positions mean feck all now when it comes to awards or all stars.
In terms of pure talent or ability, Donnellan must be first name included. As was said though, a career curtailed by injury.
In terms of a complete centre forward, nobody matches Blaney.
Winning dirty ball, brave, hard, no nosense, played with the head up, delivering quick accurate kick passes into the dangerous forwards. Could take a score too. He was a master of the CHF position.
Michael Murphy does all that.
Murphy's best position is FF... Blaney the best CHF I've seen closely followed by McGuigan who was a real flair player and creator at CHF but Blaneys ball winning and all round play would set him higher for me!
Is it?
I think his performances last year were probably the best we seen from him, he was an absolute inspiration in the Super 8s game with Kerry. 2 of his 3 all stars have been in the HF line and he's played the vast amount of his intercounty career there.
Don't get me wrong I think Murphy is the best footballer in the Country for the last 10 years and he can play anywhere and be fantastic but Donegal needed him out the field which is why he played there. Had he been around in the 90s/early noughties he would have been unstoppable at FF as he always is when isolated one on one.
Ironically a player who suffered from the introduction of the blanket defence!
Donegal needed him out the field because that's where he can influence the game most.
He's been playing out the field effectively since 2013 and the reason for that was it was where he could influence the game. They badly missed his presence inside you could say as McFadden was in decline and McBrearty was still inconsistent (he started the 2014 SF and final off the bench). I think Murphy is the perfect no 11, he's got absolutely everything in his game and is a born leader.
The point had he been around in 90s is a fair one but that's also hypothetical and I think he's played most of his best football for Donegal out the field and for me last year was the best year he has played in a Donegal shirt. If Donegal had made it to a final or even a SF I think he was nailed on for FOTY. In the modern game, Murphy is able to influence the game a lot more out in the middle of the field.
Half forward line has already been selected:
Canavan, Spillane, Connolly.
You can vote for the FF line now, but it appears that Gooch and Murphy are leading the way in the votes.
Matt Connor was before my time so based on players I've seen I'd go with Murphy, Gooch & Joyce.
Honest question, one for Tyronnies.
Did Peter Canavan ever line out as a half forward in a championship match for Tyrone?
I can't think of him doing so in any of his Ulster winning sides. Maybe he did in the intervening years?
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2020, 02:55:13 PM
Honest question, one for Tyronnies.
Did Peter Canavan ever line out as a half forward in a championship match for Tyrone?
I can't think of him doing so in any of his Ulster winning sides. Maybe he did in the intervening years?
No but it says on the rte website he won most his all stars out there
Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2020, 02:55:13 PM
Honest question, one for Tyronnies.
Did Peter Canavan ever line out as a half forward in a championship match for Tyrone?
I can't think of him doing so in any of his Ulster winning sides. Maybe he did in the intervening years?
No but it says on the rte website he won most his all stars out there
From the RTE website:
"Also in there from the province was Peter Canavan who won the first of his six All-Stars in 1994. The following year (FOTY), he almost single-handedly drove Tyrone to a maiden All-Ireland against Dublin, when kicking 11 points. He did eventually go on to lift Sam as Red Hand skipper, but as two of his All Stars came in the half-forward line, he has already been selected on the 45 for this team."
First (1994) and last (2005) All-star awards were in the HF line. Though the 2005 award was a bit strange considering the year Brian McGuigan had. I think Tyrone had 7 nominations in the forwards that year. Both Canavan and Mugsy were selected in the half forward line.
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
RTE's panel determined to continue its nonsense from the past through to the future.
I'd have a lot of respect for Canavan if he called them out.
Did he not get one at chf the year Frank Mcguigan went mad at Brian not getting one?
I very much doubt they were all at chf but I think I do recall one anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All_Stars_Awards_winners_(football)#1995 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All_Stars_Awards_winners_(football)#1995)
Chf 05 though for the rest of them it looks like.
Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
Yep, first and last (94, 05) were in the half forward line.
Middle four in the full foward line - '95, '96, '03 at FF and '02 in the corner.
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2020, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
Yep, first and last (94, 05) were in the half forward line.
Middle four in the full foward line - '95, '96, '03 at FF and '02 in the corner.
But the point being Is he didn't play half forward for Tyrone in 94 or 05. He was fitted into an All Star spot both years, rather than winning it in his rightful position
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
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Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
Yep, first and last (94, 05) were in the half forward line.
Middle four in the full foward line - '95, '96, '03 at FF and '02 in the corner.
But the point being Is he didn't play half forward for Tyrone in 94 or 05. He was fitted into an All Star spot both years, rather than winning it in his rightful position
Not necessarily that he was fitted in - more that he was moved about to fit someone else in though the 05 one was probably more of a sentimental one given it was his farewell year. He was a bit part player that year as he was still struggling with injuries but made an enormous impact at the same time. McGuigan was definitely robbed of one in 05 as he was superb.
Wouldn't be the first time that a player has won an All Star though off the back of hardly playing, think Donaghy was only introduced in the dying moments of the drawn SF with Mayo in injury time and ended up winning one.
The All Star selection process is a joke. Mannion winning his last two at wing forward, Colm Cavanagh getting selected at full back, Brian Howard winning his two all stars at half back and midfield despite playing 90% of his Championship football at wing forward for Dublin.
Quote from: Angelo on May 13, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2020, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
Yep, first and last (94, 05) were in the half forward line.
Middle four in the full foward line - '95, '96, '03 at FF and '02 in the corner.
But the point being Is he didn't play half forward for Tyrone in 94 or 05. He was fitted into an All Star spot both years, rather than winning it in his rightful position
Not necessarily that he was fitted in - more that he was moved about to fit someone else in though the 05 one was probably more of a sentimental one given it was his farewell year. He was a bit part player that year as he was still struggling with injuries but made an enormous impact at the same time. McGuigan was definitely robbed of one in 05 as he was superb.
Wouldn't be the first time that a player has won an All Star though off the back of hardly playing, think Donaghy was only introduced in the dying moments of the drawn SF with Mayo in injury time and ended up winning one.
The All Star selection process is a joke. Mannion winning his last two at wing forward, Colm Cavanagh getting selected at full back, Brian Howard winning his two all stars at half back and midfield despite playing 90% of his Championship football at wing forward for Dublin.
It is indeed.
I wouldn't get too hyped up over this team selection either way, the voting has been a bit of a joke given that certain players have been available for selection in several lines on the pitch while other All Star winners were not available for selection at all during the process.
Canavan would certainly make a team of All Stars of the Sunday Game era for me personally but only in the FF line, he's not a half forward and his inclusion there at the expense of far more deserving HF's is strange.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 13, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 13, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
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Quote from: redzone on May 12, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Peter Canavan may be considered by many to be more of a lethal inside forward, but his six All-Stars were book-ended in the half-forward line.
That's from rte website as well. Strange
Yep, first and last (94, 05) were in the half forward line.
Middle four in the full foward line - '95, '96, '03 at FF and '02 in the corner.
But the point being Is he didn't play half forward for Tyrone in 94 or 05. He was fitted into an All Star spot both years, rather than winning it in his rightful position
Not necessarily that he was fitted in - more that he was moved about to fit someone else in though the 05 one was probably more of a sentimental one given it was his farewell year. He was a bit part player that year as he was still struggling with injuries but made an enormous impact at the same time. McGuigan was definitely robbed of one in 05 as he was superb.
Wouldn't be the first time that a player has won an All Star though off the back of hardly playing, think Donaghy was only introduced in the dying moments of the drawn SF with Mayo in injury time and ended up winning one.
The All Star selection process is a joke. Mannion winning his last two at wing forward, Colm Cavanagh getting selected at full back, Brian Howard winning his two all stars at half back and midfield despite playing 90% of his Championship football at wing forward for Dublin.
It is indeed.
I wouldn't get too hyped up over this team selection either way, the voting has been a bit of a joke given that certain players have been available for selection in several lines on the pitch while other All Star winners were not available for selection at all during the process.
Canavan would certainly make a team of All Stars of the Sunday Game era for me personally but only in the FF line, he's not a half forward and his inclusion there at the expense of far more deserving HF's is strange.
I was going to throw my tuppence in here but that post is as good a summation as I could manage.
I remember Martin Breheny (who was on the Allstar selection committee) in 2005 writing a ridiculous column trying to justify Canavan's selection at 11 instead of McGuigan..And I thought, ah well at least in time anyone who knows their stuff will see through this.
Then you get the latest drivel from RTE - "oh Canavan got Allstars at 11, therefore he's a half forward"..It makes a mockery of the thing, if it weren't a mockery already.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2020, 02:55:13 PM
Honest question, one for Tyronnies.
Did Peter Canavan ever line out as a half forward in a championship match for Tyrone?
I can't think of him doing so in any of his Ulster winning sides. Maybe he did in the intervening years?
Ulster Minor Championship 1989 vs Armagh.
I know that doesn't count, but it answers your question.
Anyone discussing this team who doesn't have Peter Canavan as the first name on the team, in the full forward line (preferably at 15) is either taking the piss or a fool.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 14, 2020, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2020, 02:55:13 PM
Honest question, one for Tyronnies.
Did Peter Canavan ever line out as a half forward in a championship match for Tyrone?
I can’t think of him doing so in any of his Ulster winning sides. Maybe he did in the intervening years?
Ulster Minor Championship 1989 vs Armagh.
I know that doesn’t count, but it answers your question.
Anyone discussing this team who doesn’t have Peter Canavan as the first name on the team, in the full forward line (preferably at 15) is either taking the piss or a fool.
1990 All-Ireland Under 21 Semi-Final v Meath as well.
(As an aside his club is listed as Killyclogher)
Definitely should have been selected in the FF line. Find it bizarre that he was chosen in the HF line.
This process lost whatever credibility it had when RTE went all in on the O'Se hype bandwagon.
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
I'm loathed to leave out Mickey Linden, but I'd have Murphy, Maurice Fitzgerald and Cooper.
Connor better than any of them, it's the fact too many voters are too young to remember him. He better that Cooper, Murphy and Maurice, and he be the first forward I pick on any team of any era.
f**k am doing my own list and I hardly looked at PREVIOUS. 1: Stephen Cuxton (Over /O'Leary, Martin Furlong) 2: Karl Lacey (over O'Malley / O'Se) , 3: Darren Fay (just in front of Lyons) 4: Tony Scullion (probably Higgins when he finally retires) , 5 James McCarthy(Has edged out O'Se in recent yrs) 6: Seamus Moyihan ( over S O'brien) . 7: Martin O'Connell (McCaffery or Keegan will eclipse him befire they retire). 8: Jack O'Se 9: Tohill (Fenton will likely eclipse both by the time he finishes but I take either over him at present) 10: Michael Donnellan (edges out Flynn, Cavannagh) 11: Murphy ( only guy I am playing out of position but he in before Kilkenny, O'Sullivan, Tompkins or Giles) 12.Pat Spillane(Over Connolly) 13: Maurice Fitzgerald (In front of Cooper, Sheedy or Linden) , 14: Matt Connor, 15: Peter Canavan ( in front of Brogan, McManus). I go with that Team if I ever had to play an all time select.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
Connor better than any of them, it's the fact too many voters are too young to remember him. He better that Cooper, Murphy and Maurice, and he be the first forward I pick on any team of any era.
Agree 100%, Matt Connor is the best footballer to have ever played the game.
Quote from: Zulu on May 15, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
Connor better than any of them, it's the fact too many voters are too young to remember him. He better that Cooper, Murphy and Maurice, and he be the first forward I pick on any team of any era.
Agree 100%, Matt Connor is the best footballer to have ever played the game.
I was thinking earlier if I could choose 1 player from any era I would pick Matt Connor.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
Connor better than any of them, it's the fact too many voters are too young to remember him. He better that Cooper, Murphy and Maurice, and he be the first forward I pick on any team of any era.
Agree 100%, Matt Connor is the best footballer to have ever played the game.
I was thinking earlier if I could choose 1 player from any era I would pick Matt Connor.
I'd still pick Canavan ahead of him.
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
Are John Egan or Frank McGuigan not even in the top 11? 🤷♂️
Quote from: Zulu on May 15, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
Connor better than any of them, it's the fact too many voters are too young to remember him. He better that Cooper, Murphy and Maurice, and he be the first forward I pick on any team of any era.
Agree 100%, Matt Connor is the best footballer to have ever played the game.
Matt Connor was one of the best I've ever seen. The only caveat I'd have is that we can only base how good he was over 3 years.
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
Once again the the Cork and Meath teams of the late 80's early 90's completely ignored!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 16, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
Once again the the Cork and Meath teams of the late 80's early 90's completely ignored!
Speaking of Cork, I see you can vote for Phillip Clifford, but not Colin Corkery. Obviously Corkery wouldn't make the final team but the way they've set the whole thing up is quite bizarre.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 16, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
Once again the the Cork and Meath teams of the late 80's early 90's completely ignored!
Meath full forward line a lot stronger than Cork's during that period.
Brogan & McManus have been outstanding players but they wouldn't be in my top 10.
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
According to the Podcast the Voting for the half forward line so far is:
1. P Spillane 5,300 votes
2. P Canavan 2,600
3. D Connolly 2,500
4. M Murphy
5. C McDonald
6. M Connor
7. C Kilkenny
8. M. Donnellan
9. D O'Sullivan
10. T Giles
There are only 500 votes separating Canavan and Connor
Therein lies the problem with group voting and Youtube highlight reels. You have Connolly in 3rd and McDonald in 5th, both with the grand total of 1 All Star each. Multiple footballer of the year winners (plus multiple time all stars) in behind, including some not in the top 10. Giles won 2 FOTY awards even
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 16, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
Once again the the Cork and Meath teams of the late 80's early 90's completely ignored!
Tompkins is the big omission there but was he best in midfield half or full forward .
Paul McGrath was untouchable for a few years but didn't last all that long . one of the very few players to win an automatic All Star (is he the last one to do so?)over all for me the FF line has to me
maurice fitz
mikey sheehy
and if the ref can't count steps Con O callaghan
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 16, 2020, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
Top Ten at present in the votes for FF line :o
1. Colm Cooper
2. Michael Murphy
3. Maurice Fitzgerald
4. Bernard Brogan
5. Matt Connor
6. Mikey Sheehy
7. Padraic Joyce
8. Bomber Liston
9. Conor McManus
10. Mickey Linden
11. Con O'Callaghan
Once again the the Cork and Meath teams of the late 80's early 90's completely ignored!
Speaking of Cork, I see you can vote for Phillip Clifford, but not Colin Corkery. Obviously Corkery wouldn't make the final team but the way they've set the whole thing up is quite bizarre.
No disrespect to Clifford, who was a decent player, but he would hardly be among the first to spring to mind when you think back to the late 90s and first half of the 2000s. Corkery was a superb player, bags of outrageous skill. Wonder how he would have done these days with the back door and serious training to get a bit of the weight off?
Corkery reminded me of Matt Le Tissier. Carrying a few pounds, but was great to watch. He developed his game and became a great passer of the ball. I doubt he'd be involved in county football had he come along now. There's no place for players like that, sadly.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 19, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Corkery reminded me of Matt Le Tissier. Carrying a few pounds, but was great to watch. He developed his game and became a great passer of the ball. I doubt he'd be involved in county football had he come along now. There's no place for players like that, sadly.
Was carrying more than a few - but only after he had health issues. As late as 1995, when he would have been mid 20's, he was lean and in shape. His kicking performance in the Munster Final that year was outrageous. Cork haven't won in Killarney since.
Corkery was fast over ten yards for his size and weight which helped winning loose ball. Once he had possession that was that. Remember him often scoring scoring with him crouched with hands on knees to catch his breath.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 19, 2020, 02:41:32 PM
Corkery reminded me of Matt Le Tissier. Carrying a few pounds, but was great to watch. He developed his game and became a great passer of the ball. I doubt he'd be involved in county football had he come along now. There's no place for players like that, sadly.
Was his body shape and different than say Sean Quigley?
Corkery was offered a trial to be a kicker in American Football at one stage.