Brexit.

[Syferus]

So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over. Living in a UK out of the EU is arguably more nationalist than living in an Ireland in the EU.

OF course its more nationalist.....British Nationalist

Still we are a Celtic Briton people regardless of the last 400 years of history. I'd rather be a British nationalist than have Europe seep their way under our skins.

Obvious WUM is obvious.

[seafoid]

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

Full House!

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

Even more chaotic than a Galway hurling board meeting

[trentoneill15]

So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over. Living in a UK out of the EU is arguably more nationalist than living in an Ireland in the EU.

OF course its more nationalist.....British Nationalist

Still we are a Celtic Briton people regardless of the last 400 years of history. I'd rather be a British nationalist than have Europe seep their way under our skins.

Obvious WUM is obvious.

Just because I'm not wasting my life campaigning for a unified Ireland that will never happen

[Jeepers Creepers]

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

Full House!

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

Did Wales not vote to leave?

[Tubberman]

Hold the horses:

BREAKING: Brexit latest: 'Despite our best efforts and significant effort we have made... it was not possible to reach a complete agreement today', says Jean-Claude Juncker

[seafoid]

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

Full House!

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

Did Wales not vote to leave?

Only just. 52.5%

[yellowcard]

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

Full House!

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

Did Wales not vote to leave?

Only just. 52.5%

1. Wales had a majority who voted leave
2. The north had a majority who voted to remain
3. There is a big difference in comparing the northern part of a separate island to mainland UK given the land border and over 300 crossings. It's not a reasonable comparision. 

[BennyCake]

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

Full House!

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

If there's a deal done for a soft border, it won't be because 60% of the North voted Remain. It will be because it will cost a fortune to maintain dozens of border crossings. Nothing else.

[Rossfan]

No final agreement yet folks.

[Hound]

No final agreement yet folks.

Dunno whether the leaks came from the UK or EU side, but I'd imagine it made it very hard to finalise the agreement given the outside reaction

[omaghjoe]

he phoned Arlene and Arlene said No!  Plus some Tories on the fence

She'll have to go looking for extra votes, maybe she'll offer Scotland the same deal for SNP support . Would imagine she'll hardly go to Labour... JC might see it as his chance to turn the screw

[omaghjoe]

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

Full House!

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.

If there's a deal done for a soft border, it won't be because 60% of the North voted Remain. It will be because it will cost a fortune to maintain dozens of border crossings. Nothing else.

Thats got virtually nothing to do with it

Id imagine Brussels would happily pay for them to protect the customs area
The cost to a compromised EU customs area would make the cost of policing border crossings look like a pittance.

[screenexile]

he phoned Arlene and Arlene said No!  Plus some Tories on the fence

She'll have to go looking for extra votes, maybe she'll offer Scotland the same deal for SNP support . Would imagine she'll hardly go to Labour... JC might see it as his chance to turn the screw

This is better than any film that's been out the past year!!

[T Fearon]

Once again British play the Orange Card.I don't think a specific referendum in the North would return a remain vote now.Unionist voters would be mobilised and energised to vote en masse to Leave.

[armaghniac]

So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

This is a rather odd comparison and not for the first time. It is a bit like saying that you wouldn't like to share a cell in jail and so why would you want share a house with your wife.

1. Wales had a majority who voted leave
2. The north had a majority who voted to remain
3. There is a big difference in comparing the northern part of a separate island to mainland UK given the land border and over 300 crossings. It's not a reasonable comparision. 

Actually it is quite the opposite, the proposal today is to remove checks on roads and local journeys and move them to handful of ports.
If Wales or Scotland get a similar provision it would be the other way around.

oileán amháin, margadh amháin

Perhaps we should invite the Isle of Man in though.

Once again British play the Orange Card.I don't think a specific referendum in the North would return a remain vote now.Unionist voters would be mobilised and energised to vote en masse to Leave.

Unionists are not a majority and the North Down/South Belfast crowd would still vote with their wallets.