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Title: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 21, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
An article in the Irish Times by Phil Space

It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/it-s-time-for-the-gaa-to-forget-this-national-anthem-business-1.2795930

As America agonises over Colin Kaepernick kneeling during "The Star-Spangled Banner," there was no such angst at All-Ireland Football Final day. Everyone able to at Croke Park did stand up for "Amhran na bhFiann," probably oblivious to just how incongruous playing the national anthem in such circumstances is.
 Now the thing with anthems is that they don't come with a precise protocol bar they must be a droning musical bore. Apart from that you are entitled to mostly do with them as you please, which is what Kaepernick continues to do, the San Francisco 49'ers quarter-back protesting against police racism by refusing to stand for the pre-game anthem.
 We usually get a laugh out of America's instinct towards chest-thumping patriotism. Their national anthem gets aired before practically everything, even at the most innocuous events. And it's certainly 'Oh Say Can You See' time if one gridiron franchise plays another from just down the highway.  
 Kaepernick has found out it is a ritual bound to all sorts of baggage about respect for the military and what it supposedly means to be American. The rest of the world largely skips this anthem ritual, reserving their bad songs for the international stage, an inclination most everyone goes along with, except of course for one notable sporting corner of Ireland.
 Since the GAA is this country's largest sporting organisation it's a big corner but bar the US it seems there is no similar inclination anywhere else towards playing the anthem before games which by their very nature aren't international but in fact the very definition of local.
 If it isn't the Artane Band, it's the local Flagellate ensemble, or a scratchy record pumped over the tannoy. Junior B County Finals get the identity treatment: windswept fourth division league matches too. What's different though is that the matter of identity in Ireland is so politically nuanced it makes the Kaepernick controversy comparatively straightforward.

  He's saying black lives matter. No one can argue with that. The furore is over the manner of his protest. And in fact he is being increasingly praised for breaking out of narrow sporting cliché mode and being prepared to express his convictions, although such convictions are invariably easier to praise when they correspond to your own prejudices.

 And anyway taking the heat out of the anthem situation in America is easy – just get into line with what's obvious to most of the rest of the world and play it only on the international stage. Insisting on playing it at home smacks of a hubris and insularity which is perhaps an inevitable consequence of being the most powerful nation on the planet but is nonetheless embarrassing sometimes.
 There's enough flag-waving in the world, too much patriotic posturing. There's never been a problem that can't be made worse by wrapping a flag around it, or a song.
 In Ireland in particular we know how seemingly trivial things like the songs you choose to sing or the games you play are anything but trivial, bound up as they are in questions of identity that have left people to cope with a lot more than just embarrassment.
 So rugby's 'Ireland's Call' is an insipid dirge but it doesn't matter. Instead it is an attempt at inclusivity in the face of this island's horrible sectarian history. It's never going to be a favourite precisely because it's so determinedly bland. And it's that anodyne quality which highlights how so many other songs are anything but.

 The Soldiers Song is hardly 'La Marseillaise' in its rousing musicality but the lyrics are similarly bellicose even if some people's lack of Irish means they are reduced to mumbling 'Shoving Connie Around The Green' for its final line. Of course such flippancy will annoy some who take such things very seriously, just the sort of emotion in fact which makes it anything but "just a song."
 Maybe it's a sign of a young democracy that this stuff matters. Maybe it requires centuries of maturity for it not to matter.
 But the reality is that the GAA's insistence on the anthem being played before so many games is a self-consciously deliberate gesture inevitably loaded with layers of meaning that can make the organisation's stated goal of greater inclusivity sound hollow. It will mean nothing when 'God Save The Queen' means nothing in Windsor Park.
 By continuing to wrap the flag around itself so tightly the GAA is also portraying a very specific sense of 'Irishness.' It's the whole 'Gael' bit, that unspoken but understood sense that playing hurling and speaking the cupla focal and pining for the fourth green field is somehow 'real' Irish, a pose that might once have resonated but increasingly just looks old and chippy.
 Not that it's going away. The former Armagh captain, Jarlath Burns, last year said he would have no problem with the anthem not being played before matches in the interests of trying to encourage other people, including those of a different political persuasion, into the games.
 Inevitably he got cut to pieces by usual suspects tossing the same tired old  terms such as 'self-loathing' and 'West Brit,' spouting about their right to identity without seeming to consider how such rights are as much a two-way street as the capacity to take offence.
 Such stridency however indicates a lack of self-confidence unworthy of an organisation that is such an integral and positive part of everyday life. If the GAA is serious about inclusivity it should acknowledge that gestures like the anthem matter, a damn sight more here in fact than in the US.


 There are enough expressions of 'what we are' in the matches themselves. In comparison pointed pre-match exhibitions of supposed identity are as old and trite as the custom of kneeling before bishops used to be.     
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Keyser soze on September 21, 2016, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
An article in the Irish Times by Phil Space

It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/it-s-time-for-the-gaa-to-forget-this-national-anthem-business-1.2795930

As America agonises over Colin Kaepernick kneeling during "The Star-Spangled Banner," there was no such angst at All-Ireland Football Final day. Everyone able to at Croke Park did stand up for "Amhran na bhFiann," probably oblivious to just how incongruous playing the national anthem in such circumstances is.
Now the thing with anthems is that they don't come with a precise protocol bar they must be a droning musical bore. Apart from that you are entitled to mostly do with them as you please, which is what Kaepernick continues to do, the San Francisco 49'ers quarter-back protesting against police racism by refusing to stand for the pre-game anthem.
We usually get a laugh out of America's instinct towards chest-thumping patriotism. Their national anthem gets aired before practically everything, even at the most innocuous events. And it's certainly 'Oh Say Can You See' time if one gridiron franchise plays another from just down the highway. 
Kaepernick has found out it is a ritual bound to all sorts of baggage about respect for the military and what it supposedly means to be American. The rest of the world largely skips this anthem ritual, reserving their bad songs for the international stage, an inclination most everyone goes along with, except of course for one notable sporting corner of Ireland.
Since the GAA is this country's largest sporting organisation it's a big corner but bar the US it seems there is no similar inclination anywhere else towards playing the anthem before games which by their very nature aren't international but in fact the very definition of local.
If it isn't the Artane Band, it's the local Flagellate ensemble, or a scratchy record pumped over the tannoy. Junior B County Finals get the identity treatment: windswept fourth division league matches too. What's different though is that the matter of identity in Ireland is so politically nuanced it makes the Kaepernick controversy comparatively straightforward.

  He's saying black lives matter. No one can argue with that. The furore is over the manner of his protest. And in fact he is being increasingly praised for breaking out of narrow sporting cliché mode and being prepared to express his convictions, although such convictions are invariably easier to praise when they correspond to your own prejudices.

And anyway taking the heat out of the anthem situation in America is easy – just get into line with what's obvious to most of the rest of the world and play it only on the international stage. Insisting on playing it at home smacks of a hubris and insularity which is perhaps an inevitable consequence of being the most powerful nation on the planet but is nonetheless embarrassing sometimes.
There's enough flag-waving in the world, too much patriotic posturing. There's never been a problem that can't be made worse by wrapping a flag around it, or a song.
In Ireland in particular we know how seemingly trivial things like the songs you choose to sing or the games you play are anything but trivial, bound up as they are in questions of identity that have left people to cope with a lot more than just embarrassment.
So rugby's 'Ireland's Call' is an insipid dirge but it doesn't matter. Instead it is an attempt at inclusivity in the face of this island's horrible sectarian history. It's never going to be a favourite precisely because it's so determinedly bland. And it's that anodyne quality which highlights how so many other songs are anything but.

The Soldiers Song is hardly 'La Marseillaise' in its rousing musicality but the lyrics are similarly bellicose even if some people's lack of Irish means they are reduced to mumbling 'Shoving Connie Around The Green' for its final line. Of course such flippancy will annoy some who take such things very seriously, just the sort of emotion in fact which makes it anything but "just a song."
Maybe it's a sign of a young democracy that this stuff matters. Maybe it requires centuries of maturity for it not to matter.
But the reality is that the GAA's insistence on the anthem being played before so many games is a self-consciously deliberate gesture inevitably loaded with layers of meaning that can make the organisation's stated goal of greater inclusivity sound hollow. It will mean nothing when 'God Save The Queen' means nothing in Windsor Park.
By continuing to wrap the flag around itself so tightly the GAA is also portraying a very specific sense of 'Irishness.' It's the whole 'Gael' bit, that unspoken but understood sense that playing hurling and speaking the cupla focal and pining for the fourth green field is somehow 'real' Irish, a pose that might once have resonated but increasingly just looks old and chippy.
Not that it's going away. The former Armagh captain, Jarlath Burns, last year said he would have no problem with the anthem not being played before matches in the interests of trying to encourage other people, including those of a different political persuasion, into the games.
Inevitably he got cut to pieces by usual suspects tossing the same tired old  terms such as 'self-loathing' and 'West Brit,' spouting about their right to identity without seeming to consider how such rights are as much a two-way street as the capacity to take offence.
Such stridency however indicates a lack of self-confidence unworthy of an organisation that is such an integral and positive part of everyday life. If the GAA is serious about inclusivity it should acknowledge that gestures like the anthem matter, a damn sight more here in fact than in the US.


There are enough expressions of 'what we are' in the matches themselves. In comparison pointed pre-match exhibitions of supposed identity are as old and trite as the custom of kneeling before bishops used to be.     

I like it  ;D
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 22, 2016, 08:54:30 AM
Not like the Irish Times to resent those things that are traditional in our culture.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
Brian O'Connor strikes again.
I'm pretty indifferent to the anthem being played to be honest.
Don't think it does any harm but I wouldn't be up in arms if it was gone tomorrow.
Nothing to do with inclusivity, I just don't think it has a place in domestic sport.
There's a reason we don't sing it well before GAA games and that's because we're all Irish.
We should have county anthems instead.
Now there's an idea!
Feel free to nominate your chosen song.  :)
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 11:17:07 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
Brian O'Connor strikes again.
I'm pretty indifferent to the anthem being played to be honest.
Don't think it does any harm but I wouldn't be up in arms if it was gone tomorrow.
Nothing to do with inclusivity, I just don't think it has a place in domestic sport.
There's a reason we don't sing it well before GAA games and that's because we're all Irish.
We should have county anthems instead.
Now there's an idea!
Feel free to nominate your chosen song.  :)

Mead : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCQBuYhq_s
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
I love the anthem before an All Ireland Final. It's a great day to be Irish, and the anthem adds to it and adds to the build up I think. Sure the f**king Champions League has to invent an anthem to try and build a sense of occasion.

I'd play the anthem at every county final, every provincial final and every All Ireland final. I don't think we need to play it before every single intercounty game.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rois on September 22, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
I love the anthem before an All Ireland Final. It's a great day to be Irish, and the anthem adds to it and adds to the build up I think. Sure the f**king Champions League has to invent an anthem to try and build a sense of occasion.

I'd play the anthem at every county final, every provincial final and every All Ireland final. I don't think we need to play it before every single intercounty game.
Yep, this, apart from the last few words.  Singing the anthem on your county's first championship outing each season, when the excitement and tension is palpable, is something special too.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:36:48 AM
That's the nub of it really.
If we had the French or Italian national anthem we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:36:48 AM
That's the nub of it really.
If we had the French or Italian national anthem we wouldn't be having this conversation.

?

And I think it's a great anthem. Not as good as the Italian or Welsh one, but I like it.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
Where do you stand on playing it before club games?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 22, 2016, 11:47:11 AM
We should play "Ireland's Call". A proper anthem.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
Where do you stand on playing it before club games?

County finals only. Or Provincial Club Finals/All Irelands.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:50:59 AM
We need to bring together the finest song-writers in the country to pen a new anthem for a new Ireland.
I'm talking Coulter, St. John, Brady, Shiels, Logan etc.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
I love the anthem before an All Ireland Final. It's a great day to be Irish, and the anthem adds to it and adds to the build up I think. Sure the f**king Champions League has to invent an anthem to try and build a sense of occasion.

I'd play the anthem at every county final, every provincial final and every All Ireland final. I don't think we need to play it before every single intercounty game.
Agreed
No need for AnF at discos either
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LeoMc on September 22, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 11:17:07 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
Brian O'Connor strikes again.
I'm pretty indifferent to the anthem being played to be honest.
Don't think it does any harm but I wouldn't be up in arms if it was gone tomorrow.
Nothing to do with inclusivity, I just don't think it has a place in domestic sport.
There's a reason we don't sing it well before GAA games and that's because we're all Irish.
We should have county anthems instead.
Now there's an idea!
Feel free to nominate your chosen song.  :)

Mead : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCQBuYhq_s
Laois - God save the Queen (Sex pistols version)
Mayo- To win just once  - The Saw Doctors
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 01:26:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:50:59 AM
We need to bring together the finest song-writers in the country to pen a new anthem for a new Ireland.
I'm talking Coulter, St. John, Brady, Shiels, Logan etc.
Hozier would give it bhfaca tu. He is an amazing lyricist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Main Street on September 22, 2016, 01:41:15 PM
I remember when the anthem was played in a Dublin cinema  (the Academy, Pearse st) before a screening. I refused to stand up, not out of disrespect for the anthem but out of  protest with the context.
For GAA, play it at finals  in every competition and  cut out the solo singers completely. Well at least those solo singers who make it all about them and their version.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: johnneycool on September 22, 2016, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 01:26:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 11:50:59 AM
We need to bring together the finest song-writers in the country to pen a new anthem for a new Ireland.
I'm talking Coulter, St. John, Brady, Shiels, Logan etc.
Hozier would give it bhfaca tu. He is an amazing lyricist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw

Dear lord, where are we going as a nation when we've forgotten about one of our greatest sons, Paul "Bono" Hewson??

Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: longballin on September 22, 2016, 02:18:35 PM
Supporters and players in '6 counties' in north show respect to the anthem but not the rest...
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
It's good that they respect something I suppose.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: muppet on September 22, 2016, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:20:36 AM
I love the anthem before an All Ireland Final. It's a great day to be Irish, and the anthem adds to it and adds to the build up I think. Sure the f**king Champions League has to invent an anthem to try and build a sense of occasion.

I'd play the anthem at every county final, every provincial final and every All Ireland final. I don't think we need to play it before every single intercounty game.

Agreed. Best rendition I've heard in a while was last Sunday. But for most qualifier and early round matches it is crap.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 03:08:15 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 22, 2016, 02:18:35 PM
Supporters and players in '6 counties' in north show respect to the anthem but not the rest...
Free state Taigs are pagans
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: longballin on September 23, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
It's good that they respect something I suppose.
don't respect you boys anyway....
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Bord na Mona man on September 23, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
God Save The Queen is sung before the FA Cup Final. It seems even odder given where most of the players and managers hail from.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Hardy on September 23, 2016, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 23, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
It's good that they respect something I suppose.
don't respect you boys anyway....

If you hate us that'll do. We like that too.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on September 23, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
Anthems only at Provincial and All Ireland Finals please.
Need to end the embarrassing scratchy recordings made about 1956.
Also putting little girleens from Scór singing before NFL games with games and hailstones hopping off them needs to stop as well.
We all know we're Irish, have citizenship and passports to prove it so let's get on with playing our games.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: 5 Sams on September 23, 2016, 04:05:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
Anthems only at Provincial and All Ireland Finals please.
Need to end the embarrassing scratchy recordings made about 1956.
Also putting little girleens from Scór making up the words as they go along before NFL games with games and hailstones hopping off them needs to stop as well.
We all know we're Irish, have citizenship and passports to prove it so let's get on with playing our games.

Fixed that for you...happens all the time!!
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2016, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
Anthems only at Provincial and All Ireland Finals please.
Need to end the embarrassing scratchy recordings made about 1956.
Also putting little girleens from Scór singing before NFL games with games and hailstones hopping off them needs to stop as well.
We all know we're Irish, have citizenship and passports to prove it so let's get on with playing our games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GX8z8raTZo
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: omaghjoe on September 23, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 23, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
Anthems only at Provincial and All Ireland Finals please.
Need to end the embarrassing scratchy recordings made about 1956.
Also putting little girleens from Scór singing before NFL games with games and hailstones hopping off them needs to stop as well.
We all know we're Irish, have citizenship and passports to prove it so let's get on with playing our games.

IS that the criteria these days?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Mayoffs on September 23, 2016, 07:11:05 PM
I'd keep the tune but time to change the lyrics.

And no more talk of  'Irelands Call', pure rubbish. When it's being sung it sounds like it was written by someone who was half cut at the time.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Gmac on September 23, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Hopefully the gaa Doesnt listen to clowns like this guy and he can always stay at home if he doesn't like it .
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on September 23, 2016, 08:18:30 PM
Why are 2pm throw ins as part of double headers in Croke Park exempt from the anthem?

I'd be in favour of only having them for finals also.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: muppet on September 23, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 23, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Hopefully the gaa Doesnt listen to clowns like this guy and he can always stay at home if he doesn't like it .

Don't be so hard on yourself.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: 5 Sams on September 23, 2016, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on September 23, 2016, 08:18:30 PM
Why are 2pm throw ins as part of double headers in Croke Park exempt from the anthem?

I'd be in favour of only having them for finals also.

The 2nd game is always the main attraction on the bill....thus it attracts the pomp and ceremony.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Gmac on September 23, 2016, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 23, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 23, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Hopefully the gaa Doesnt listen to clowns like this guy and he can always stay at home if he doesn't like it .

Don't be so hard on yourself.
u can take a knee during it
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: orangeman on September 24, 2016, 09:35:45 AM
Phil Space - great name for a journalist.

I think Jarlath Burns and Paddy Heaney were saying something similar a few years ago, arguing that the soldier's song was a barrier to unionists playing Gaelic games and that it could / should be dispensed with which would hardly be good enough reason.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: T Fearon on September 24, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Surely the greatest deterrent to unionist involvement is the naming of grounds/competitions in honour of those who  they would perceive to be "terrorists" and the perception that the GAA is a strongly nationalist movement with a political dimension.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on September 24, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Unionists will always find something to object to.
Look at getting non Unionist or non political Protestants into the fold first.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 24, 2016, 10:12:25 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 24, 2016, 09:35:45 AM
Phil Space - great name for a journalist.

I think Jarlath Burns and Paddy Heaney were saying something similar a few years ago, arguing that the soldier's song was a barrier to unionists playing Gaelic games and that it could / should be dispensed with which would hardly be good enough reason.
the Unionists would have to come up.with something similar
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
I like the anthem. Play it before all games. The end of it builds up nicely to the pre-match roaring.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on September 24, 2016, 01:47:56 PM
All games??!!
Ballinameen v St Ronans u12 on a wet Tuesday in Croghan?
Twould be hard to hear the roarin  :)
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 24, 2016, 01:48:24 PM
Play it before training.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 24, 2016, 02:20:28 PM
I wouldn't miss it.

Club games tend to use a knackered aul recording.

Armagh home games have a decent local singer leading the way but when on the road in the league or the qualifiers its normally a knackered, high pitched recording on a knackered sound/public address system. 
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Hardy on September 24, 2016, 02:22:38 PM
If we drop the anthem, we'll have to replace it with something to get the roar going. Buggity-buggity-buggity! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtflwt5j7OE)
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 24, 2016, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2016, 02:22:38 PM
If we drop the anthem, we'll have to replace it with something to get the roar going. Buggity-buggity-buggity! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtflwt5j7OE)

Less defensive football?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: muppet on September 24, 2016, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2016, 02:22:38 PM
If we drop the anthem, we'll have to replace it with something to get the roar going. Buggity-buggity-buggity! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtflwt5j7OE)

If its all about the 'roar' then there must be easier ways. And quicker too.

Taser the crowd in the stand?
Hoist a flag of Margaret Thatcher?
Oliver Cromwell???
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 24, 2016, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 24, 2016, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 24, 2016, 02:22:38 PM
If we drop the anthem, we'll have to replace it with something to get the roar going. Buggity-buggity-buggity! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtflwt5j7OE)

If its all about the 'roar' then there must be easier ways. And quicker too.

Taser the crowd in the stand?
Hoist a flag of Margaret Thatcher?
Oliver Cromwell???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on September 24, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Surely the greatest deterrent to unionist involvement is the naming of grounds/competitions in honour of those who  they would perceive to be "terrorists" and the perception that the GAA is a strongly nationalist movement with a political dimension.

A lot of those were named in a bygone era. An era where anything irish was suppressed. Also, people like Pearse did a lot of work in the Irish cultural revival and was looked upon as a national figure/leader, not just for his part in Easter 1916. I can understand why clubs were named in their honour then.

As for the anthem, AI finals only is sufficient.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 24, 2016, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 24, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 24, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Surely the greatest deterrent to unionist involvement is the naming of grounds/competitions in honour of those who  they would perceive to be "terrorists" and the perception that the GAA is a strongly nationalist movement with a political dimension.

A lot of those were named in a bygone era. An era where anything irish was suppressed. Also, people like Pearse did a lot of work in the Irish cultural revival and was looked upon as a national figure/leader, not just for his part in Easter 1916. I can understand why clubs were named in their honour then.

As for the anthem, AI finals only is sufficient.
A lot of streets and even towns in NI would have to be renamed for total neutrality
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: T Fearon on September 25, 2016, 08:57:50 AM
That's not the way it's seen.I don't relate Churchhill Park in Portadown to Winston,I relate it to fiercely irish nationalist,which its residents are,because Winston had no impact on my life.

But unionists see IRA men,both contemporary and historic as the killers of their kith and kin and would be obliterators of their identity,culture etc.

This is I'm afraid the elephant in the room,far greater than anthems or flags.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on September 25, 2016, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 25, 2016, 08:57:50 AM
That's not the way it's seen.I don't relate Churchhill Park in Portadown to Winston,I relate it to fiercely irish nationalist,which its residents are,because Winston had no impact on my life.

But unionists see IRA men,both contemporary and historic as the killers of their kith and kin and would be obliterators of their identity,culture etc.

This is I'm afraid the elephant in the room,far greater than anthems or flags.

Maybe so, but if names, anthem and flags were removed unionists would still find an issue to complain about.

The GAA promotes an Irish culture: language, music, dance etc. Will all those have to be removed as well?

Some teams are based on the catholic parish area. Will that be a problem for them too?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: From the Bunker on September 25, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Never mind getting rid of the National Anthem. Get rid of the 'Three cheers for the gallant losing team' from the winning captains speech! If ever there was a finger of the eye of the losing team, this is it!
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: T Fearon on September 25, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
I think removing the names would be the best move.I have met unionists at Croke Park already.Of course there will be a hardcore that will never associate with the GAA but the average reasonable unionist can be won over.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 25, 2016, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Never mind getting rid of the National Anthem. Get rid of the 'Three cheers for the gallant losing team' from the winning captains speech! If ever there was a finger of the eye of the losing team, this is it!
Hip hip Hooray!
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: seafoid on September 25, 2016, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 25, 2016, 08:57:50 AM
That's not the way it's seen.I don't relate Churchhill Park in Portadown to Winston,I relate it to fiercely irish nationalist,which its residents are,because Winston had no impact on my life.

But unionists see IRA men,both contemporary and historic as the killers of their kith and kin and would be obliterators of their identity,culture etc.

This is I'm afraid the elephant in the room,far greater than anthems or flags.
Is it just that a good few don't feel Irish in any way? Changing a song is hardly going to move the dial.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: T Fearon on September 25, 2016, 07:32:45 PM
A lot are happy to engage and would be happier still if the GAA could lose political baggage.For example Trevor Ringland the former Irish Rugby player said he would engage with the GAA as soon as it abandoned the ban on British Security Forces, which he said ruled out his father, an RUC man out.He was as good as his word.

Many Rugby and GAA clubs co operate very well,including in Portadown believe it or not.


Sure Jackie Mc Donald himself was at the 2010 All Ireland Final as a guest of Martin Mc Aleese
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: From the Bunker on September 25, 2016, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2016, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 25, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Never mind getting rid of the National Anthem. Get rid of the 'Three cheers for the gallant losing team' from the winning captains speech! If ever there was a finger of the eye of the losing team, this is it!
Hip hip Hooray!

Hip Hip - Hooray!
Hip Hip - Hooray!
Hip Hip - Hooray!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqKpCIcvI34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqKpCIcvI34)


Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on September 25, 2016, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 25, 2016, 07:32:45 PM
A lot are happy to engage and would be happier still if the GAA could lose political baggage.For example Trevor Ringland the former Irish Rugby player said he would engage with the GAA as soon as it abandoned the ban on British Security Forces, which he said ruled out his father, an RUC man out.He was as good as his word.

Many Rugby and GAA clubs co operate very well,including in Portadown believe it or not.


Sure Jackie Mc Donald himself was at the 2010 All Ireland Final as a guest of Martin Mc Aleese

And I'd say Trevor could understand why the ban was there in the first place.

Hand me a free premium ticket for Aviva, sit up in comfy seats and eat and drink your fill, and even I would attend a rugby match. Going to one AI final doesn't make anyone a GAA superfan

I don't recall seeing Peter again in the Athletic Grounds!
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 26, 2016, 10:55:26 AM
He's an Antrim man sure.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: 6th sam on September 26, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
I would agree that the anthem, should only be played on special occasions , or else it can be de-valued. However those GAA members that would try to erode the patriotic ethos of the GAA, should be careful what they wish for. The GAA punches well above it's weight in terms of members , facilities, contribution to society. This is because of the volunteer effort of members in most communities in Ireland , sustained across years and indeed generations. In my experience most of those volunteers are prepared to invest that time because consciously or subconsciously , they feel it's an opportunity to manifest their patriotism. This is not a political patriotism , in my opinion, as it transcends party-political lines, but it's a sense that we have so much to be proud of as a country, and for many the GAA is the most tangible way of living that pride.
We have great games but we will never have the resources and affinity worldwide to challenge global games such as soccer, in any other country but Ireland .Therefore ,in my opinion , if we erode what really makes our association different (ie the patriotic element) , and compete with soccer , for example, in a purely sporting context , we would place the development of our games in jeopardy .
For those that think that removing the anthem etc, will result in a massive increase in our membership should be aware that dilution of our identity may have the opposite effect, and certainly could put our greatest strength -our sustained volunteer commitment in jeopardy. Coming from a club that always had players from across the community, it's far more relevant to actively welcome all comers , with open arms, as opposed to diluting the very values which make us strongest.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 27, 2016, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2016, 10:55:26 AM
He's an Antrim man sure.

A Down man surely?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 27, 2016, 10:53:14 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 26, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
I would agree that the anthem, should only be played on special occasions , or else it can be de-valued. However those GAA members that would try to erode the patriotic ethos of the GAA, should be careful what they wish for. The GAA punches well above it's weight in terms of members , facilities, contribution to society. This is because of the volunteer effort of members in most communities in Ireland , sustained across years and indeed generations. In my experience most of those volunteers are prepared to invest that time because consciously or subconsciously , they feel it's an opportunity to manifest their patriotism. This is not a political patriotism , in my opinion, as it transcends party-political lines, but it's a sense that we have so much to be proud of as a country, and for many the GAA is the most tangible way of living that pride.
We have great games but we will never have the resources and affinity worldwide to challenge global games such as soccer, in any other country but Ireland .Therefore ,in my opinion , if we erode what really makes our association different (ie the patriotic element) , and compete with soccer , for example, in a purely sporting context , we would place the development of our games in jeopardy .
For those that think that removing the anthem etc, will result in a massive increase in our membership should be aware that dilution of our identity may have the opposite effect, and certainly could put our greatest strength -our sustained volunteer commitment in jeopardy. Coming from a club that always had players from across the community, it's far more relevant to actively welcome all comers , with open arms, as opposed to diluting the very values which make us strongest.

Enlighten us further on the sub conscious thoughts of GAA volunteers?

For me the GAA is primarily a sporting organisation. There is an outlet via scor for the cultural dimension. It attracts a crowd but not it wouldn't give the impression that that the GAA is stocked full of people that thnk culture and patriotism is the key to the GAA.

How many "GAA fans" have little or no interest in hurling (and actually see it as a threat football) or ladies football or camogie? My point is that there are huge number of GAA fans who pick the sporting bit(s) they like and have no interest in the rest of it.

For me retaining (or regaining) the amateur ethos is far more important than the nationalistic ethos
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: general_lee on September 27, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 26, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
This is because of the volunteer effort of members in most communities in Ireland , sustained across years and indeed generations. In my experience most of those volunteers are prepared to invest that time because consciously or subconsciously , they feel it's an opportunity to manifest their patriotism. This is not a political patriotism , in my opinion, as it transcends party-political lines, but it's a sense that we have so much to be proud of as a country, and for many the GAA is the most tangible way of living that pride.
Not sure I agree with this. GAA is something you're brought up with or born into, growing up I hadn't a clue about the patriotic dimension, I just wanted to kick a ball. As you get older you become aware of the nationalistic dimensions, some people appreciate them, many people are largely indifferent to them and some people (like myself) question them as I don't think some aspects such as the anthem are necessary. My pride in the GAA isn't one of national pride, it's largely pride in my club and county. When the club won a championship I didn't think to myself Jesus what a great day to be Irish...
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 27, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 27, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 26, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
This is because of the volunteer effort of members in most communities in Ireland , sustained across years and indeed generations. In my experience most of those volunteers are prepared to invest that time because consciously or subconsciously , they feel it's an opportunity to manifest their patriotism. This is not a political patriotism , in my opinion, as it transcends party-political lines, but it's a sense that we have so much to be proud of as a country, and for many the GAA is the most tangible way of living that pride.
Not sure I agree with this. GAA is something you're brought up with or born into, growing up I hadn't a clue about the patriotic dimension, I just wanted to kick a ball. As you get older you become aware of the nationalistic dimensions, some people appreciate them, many people are largely indifferent to them and some people (like myself) question them as I don't think some aspects such as the anthem are necessary. My pride in the GAA isn't one of national pride, it's largely pride in my club and county. When the club won a championship I didn't think to myself Jesus what a great day to be Irish...

I would agree with this.

The nationalistic aspect does not come up in conversation often in my experience. Mind you its been over a year since I have been in Galbally.

To re-iterate the more important dimension is the amateur ethos. That is being trampled all over by clubs, counties and individuals and being pissed on from on high by the hierarchy. There is an acceptance and facilitation of the the current fudge where we publicly declare one thing and the privately (but quite obviously) do another.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: 6th sam on September 27, 2016, 04:20:41 PM
I would agree that most GAA fans aren't consumed with nationalistic fervour, but in my experience, a significant numbers of our volunteers are to some extent motivated by the sense of Irishness in the GAA. Though club affinity is crucial for many of us, National affinity is manifest by members who move away from home and volunteer in their new clubs, inside or outside their own county. I would fear that if we convert our clubs to purely sporting clubs , we are in danger of sleepwalking into our demise, as we'll never enjoy the publicity and international dimension of our main competitors, soccer. During the time I have been involved in my club, I have witnessed the formation, demise, and sometimes reformation of >20 soccer clubs in our area. With a few notable exceptions these clubs are not able to harness volunteers for any sustainable period. The cement that holds our GAA club together is the sustained volunteer effort , and for many of those volunteers the sense of national pride in the GAA is a factor in their continuing commitment . This level of dedication is unmatched in other sports in terms of scale and longevity. If there is any chance that the sense of Irishness, is a contributory factor in that volunteer effort, the GAA should resist any attempt to dilute it.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 27, 2016, 04:52:36 PM
I am pretty far  away from being an ultra-nationalist, but hearing Amhrán na bhFiann being sung by the crowd (no opera singers needed) on All Ireland final day or Munster final day, is a treasured experience for me. No way would I want it dropped.

What COULD be dropped is all the minutes silences that hold up games constrantly. No other sport indulges it as much as the GAA. Somebody will always have died recently who was involved in the GAA. I don't see the need for the constant minute's silences unless they were a huge national figure from a county involved in the game.

Also, some of the Sh*te being brought in lately, this respect handshake b*llox for example, is needless and pointless. The Minor football teams this year were made to line up and shake hands with each other with foreboding music from Game of Thrones playing on the PA system. Just let them play the game and stop the nonsense. Sort out the grey areas in rules, refereeing etc rather than devoting so much token time to rubbish like "respect handshakes" and we'd be in a far better place.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 27, 2016, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 27, 2016, 04:20:41 PM
I would agree that most GAA fans aren't consumed with nationalistic fervour, but in my experience, a significant numbers of our volunteers are to some extent motivated by the sense of Irishness in the GAA. Though club affinity is crucial for many of us, National affinity is manifest by members who move away from home and volunteer in their new clubs, inside or outside their own county. I would fear that if we convert our clubs to purely sporting clubs , we are in danger of sleepwalking into our demise, as we'll never enjoy the publicity and international dimension of our main competitors, soccer. During the time I have been involved in my club, I have witnessed the formation, demise, and sometimes reformation of >20 soccer clubs in our area. With a few notable exceptions these clubs are not able to harness volunteers for any sustainable period. The cement that holds our GAA club together is the sustained volunteer effort , and for many of those volunteers the sense of national pride in the GAA is a factor in their continuing commitment . This level of dedication is unmatched in other sports in terms of scale and longevity. If there is any chance that the sense of Irishness, is a contributory factor in that volunteer effort, the GAA should resist any attempt to dilute it.

Most people want to be involved in a game that is an attractive game to watch and to play and that delivers some social benefit to their area and more broadly. Focus on that and get it right and there will be no shortage of volunteers to organise, play and watch our games.

Dabble in politics and it will turn an audience off.
Don't tackle the idiots at Galbally (and the like) and it will turn an audience off.
Don't address the flaws within the rules (and their application) of the game and you bore an audience.
Don't address the obvious issues of people taking money from the game and it will turn an audience (who pay the money in) off
Don't address the near-professionalism demanded of players and you will turn an audience off.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: longballin on September 27, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Play our anthem and stopping being apologists
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 27, 2016, 08:31:54 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 27, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Play our anthem and stopping being apologists

Who is being an apologist for who?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 27, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 27, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
Play our anthem and stopping being apologists

Sorry.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: T Fearon on September 28, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
The official opening of the new Windsor Park is to take place on Saturday week,with the FIFA chief jetting in.Ive read that there will be what's called stars from NI Sport in general there as guests of the IFA (Rory Mc Ilroy,Mary Peters, etc).

I have been unable to ascertain whether or not Ulster GAA will be represented,whether or not it has been invited and if it has,has the invitation been refused.

Should Ulster GAA attend,given that it works closely with the IFA on numerous projects.Would this be a way of reaching out to other communities
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: From the Bunker on September 28, 2016, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
The official opening of the new Windsor Park is to take place on Saturday week,with the FIFA chief jetting in.Ive read that there will be what's called stars from NI Sport in general there as guests of the IFA (Rory Mc Ilroy,Mary Peters, etc).

I have been unable to ascertain whether or not Ulster GAA will be represented,whether or not it has been invited and if it has,has the invitation been refused.

Should Ulster GAA attend,given that it works closely with the IFA on numerous projects.Would this be a way of reaching out to other communities

Thought you were going to say they were abandoning GSTQ for Danny Boy!
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 28, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
The official opening of the new Windsor Park is to take place on Saturday week,with the FIFA chief jetting in.Ive read that there will be what's called stars from NI Sport in general there as guests of the IFA (Rory Mc Ilroy,Mary Peters, etc).

I have been unable to ascertain whether or not Ulster GAA will be represented,whether or not it has been invited and if it has,has the invitation been refused.

Should Ulster GAA attend,given that it works closely with the IFA on numerous projects.Would this be a way of reaching out to other communities

There is no good reason for them not to be invited and no good reason to not accept such an invitation. 
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: LCohen on September 28, 2016, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2016, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
The official opening of the new Windsor Park is to take place on Saturday week,with the FIFA chief jetting in.Ive read that there will be what's called stars from NI Sport in general there as guests of the IFA (Rory Mc Ilroy,Mary Peters, etc).

I have been unable to ascertain whether or not Ulster GAA will be represented,whether or not it has been invited and if it has,has the invitation been refused.

Should Ulster GAA attend,given that it works closely with the IFA on numerous projects.Would this be a way of reaching out to other communities

Thought you were going to say they were abandoning GSTQ for Danny Boy!

I think its fair to say that IFA would gladly drop GSTQ. Whether there is the stomach to take on those who would vociferously object to such a move. That is a different matter.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Jinxy on September 28, 2016, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 28, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
The official opening of the new Windsor Park is to take place on Saturday week,with the FIFA chief jetting in.Ive read that there will be what's called stars from NI Sport in general there as guests of the IFA (Rory Mc Ilroy,Mary Peters, etc).

I have been unable to ascertain whether or not Ulster GAA will be represented,whether or not it has been invited and if it has,has the invitation been refused.

Should Ulster GAA attend,given that it works closely with the IFA on numerous projects.Would this be a way of reaching out to other communities

Are you going, Tony?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on February 22, 2018, 11:26:05 PM
Oh sweet Jesus. Just seen Fergie sign the American anthem. And I thought the Irish anthem was butchered every Sunday!

Ya know, if the GAA want rid of the anthem, get her to sing it, and that'll be that.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on April 04, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Didn't know where else to put this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-star-ohanlon-humbled-to-lead-team-ni-on-the-gold-coast-at-commonwealth-games-469070.html

Will she be barred from Galbally?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Orchard park on April 04, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Didn't know where else to put this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-star-ohanlon-humbled-to-lead-team-ni-on-the-gold-coast-at-commonwealth-games-469070.html

Will she be barred from Galbally?

Frankie Feighan will be delighted in his quest to bring North Roscommon to have business opportunities in Nigeria
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: smelmoth on April 05, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Didn't know where else to put this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-star-ohanlon-humbled-to-lead-team-ni-on-the-gold-coast-at-commonwealth-games-469070.html

Will she be barred from Galbally?

The people of Galbally will get over it. Eventually

Interesting choice of thread to post it on
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on April 05, 2018, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Didn't know where else to put this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-star-ohanlon-humbled-to-lead-team-ni-on-the-gold-coast-at-commonwealth-games-469070.html

Will she be barred from Galbally?

Yer woman Woods from Tyrone is also on the netball team.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: longballin on April 05, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 05, 2018, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2018, 11:14:05 AM
Didn't know where else to put this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/gaa-star-ohanlon-humbled-to-lead-team-ni-on-the-gold-coast-at-commonwealth-games-469070.html

Will she be barred from Galbally?

Yer woman Woods from Tyrone is also on the netball team.

Aye Niamh, she's a great girl and brilliant footballer
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 11:39:05 AM
What harm is the national anthem doing ? 
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 11:39:05 AM
What harm is the national anthem doing ?
Our game v Cavan hadn't the anthem before it.
Was the game null and void then?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 05, 2018, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 11:39:05 AM
What harm is the national anthem doing ?
Our game v Cavan hadn't the anthem before it.
Was the game null and void then?

Never an anthem before the 'minor' match  :-*
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 11:59:40 AM
So are those games all illegal?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: westbound on April 05, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Rossfan what are you talking about?
Am I missing something?

illegal?
Null and void?

Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 01:09:58 PM
Is it in the Treoir that the Anthem must be played before a game?
If it is and a game goes ahead without the Anthem then the Rule is breached???
Principle Larry.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: magpie seanie on April 05, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 01:09:58 PM
Is it in the Treoir that the Anthem must be played before a game?
If it is and a game goes ahead without the Anthem then the Rule is breached???
Principle Larry.

The only mention in an Treoir Oifigiúil is rule 1.8 which basically says when the anthem is played it is to be respected by players standing to attention and hurlers removing helmets. The long established protocol/tradition has always been that it is played before the main event on a bill of games if there is more than one.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 01:09:58 PM
Is it in the Treoir that the Anthem must be played before a game?
If it is and a game goes ahead without the Anthem then the Rule is breached???
Principle Larry.

Stop goin on like my old principal.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2018, 02:23:29 PM
Rule is the anthem can only be played once at a venue on any particular day. Generally reserved to before the second game.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: AZOffaly on April 05, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.

I don't want to drop the anthem, I just want to drop it unless it's before county finals, provincial finals or All Ireland finals. The reason why, is I think it devalues it playing it in a national league game with some scratchy recording or a young one just after winning the local Scór singing it.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.

"Collective wish of the majority"  says who
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.

"Collective wish of the majority"  says who

If the anthem was dropped it would presumably be by a democratic decision of the membership. If it wasn't, I'd be shouting with you - "I don't care about playing the anthem, but you have to give the members their say".
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: magpie seanie on April 05, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 05, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.

I don't want to drop the anthem, I just want to drop it unless it's before county finals, provincial finals or All Ireland finals. The reason why, is I think it devalues it playing it in a national league game with some scratchy recording or a young one just after winning the local Scór singing it.

I take your points about the terrible recordings and funeral paced Scór winners versions. The anthem should be properly respected. People need to remember it's a march, it's meant to have an upbeat tempo. It's not a ballad. I like it before league games but agree it needs to be done properly.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on April 05, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.

"Collective wish of the majority"  says who

If the anthem was dropped it would presumably be by a democratic decision of the membership. If it wasn't, I'd be shouting with you - "I don't care about playing the anthem, but you have to give the members their say".

Yes but does that really happen? Didn't the CPA table a motion about the transparency of delegates votes at congress? Even if there was transparency, are all members really getting their say?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on April 05, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 11:39:05 AM
What harm is the national anthem doing ?
Our game v Cavan hadn't the anthem before it.
Was the game null and void then?

Aye, so hand that trophy back  ;D
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2018, 02:23:29 PM
Rule is the anthem can only be played once at a venue on any particular day. .
Rule 1.8 doesn't say that.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on April 05, 2018, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 05, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 05, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
I dunno but I find a section of Irish society really odd. Why would you want the anthem abolished before games, what actual reasons could you have?  Secretly west brits ?

If they ever abolish it I will sing it as a point of principal till the day I cant go no more , if im alone , so be it . TAL , ye absolute traitors.

I will defend with my life your democratic right to elevate your opinion to a position of primacy over the collective wish of the majority. It's a basic human right that everybody gets their own way.

I don't want to drop the anthem, I just want to drop it unless it's before county finals, provincial finals or All Ireland finals. The reason why, is I think it devalues it playing it in a national league game with some scratchy recording or a young one just after winning the local Scór singing it.

Yeah I'd agree. It's not even the poor versions, it's just I don't think it's needed at every farts end.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 06, 2018, 09:44:39 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 05, 2018, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 05, 2018, 11:39:05 AM
What harm is the national anthem doing ?
Our game v Cavan hadn't the anthem before it.
Was the game null and void then?

Never an anthem before the 'minor' match  :-*

Nor before a meaningless game, which in reality what it was, dar le Syf.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: westbound on April 06, 2018, 11:21:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 05, 2018, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2018, 02:23:29 PM
Rule is the anthem can only be played once at a venue on any particular day. .
Rule 1.8 doesn't say that.

It's not a Gaa rule not to play the anthem more than once at a venue on a particular day, it's protocol with regard to the national anthem. This applies to ANY venue/event (not just GAA / sporting venues).

It's not necessarily always adhered to but that is the protocol. Similarly with things surrounding the flag (e.g. it should never be defaced, nor displayed if worn or frayed). Not always adhered to, but the 'rules' are there.

Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: The Iceman on April 13, 2018, 10:20:20 PM
I would hate to see the anthem done away with at games. I think it goes hand in hand with gaelic games for me.  It's sad to see so many other countries where the flag and anthem and pride in where you are from outshines the Irish. I have the Irish flag flying proudly outside my house here in Florida. I wish living in the North of Ireland I could even have one without fear of being targeted.  Any time I've been to a bar out here to watch a game every one to a man stood for the Anthem (over the flippin telly!).  I went to see Armagh play Derry in 2007 before I left for the States. I recorded the anthem at that game. Gaelic games, national pride and the anthem are so intertwined I would be devastated for that to be watered down
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on April 13, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 13, 2018, 10:20:20 PM
I would hate to see the anthem done away with at games. I think it goes hand in hand with gaelic games for me.  It's sad to see so many other countries where the flag and anthem and pride in where you are from outshines the Irish. I have the Irish flag flying proudly outside my house here in Florida. I wish living in the North of Ireland I could even have one without fear of being targeted.  Any time I've been to a bar out here to watch a game every one to a man stood for the Anthem (over the flippin telly!).  I went to see Armagh play Derry in 2007 before I left for the States. I recorded the anthem at that game. Gaelic games, national pride and the anthem are so intertwined I would be devastated for that to be watered down

It probably has more significance now you live away from home. People tend to attach more significance to anything Irish when away from home.

Yes you risk being targeted having a tricolour on your house in the North, but how many in the South fly a tricolour on their house? Very very few. Because the South is not a divided society and therefore few feel the need to nail their colours to the mast.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: trileacman on April 14, 2018, 12:02:35 AM
No one says get rid of all together just reserve it for finals. A sensible suggestion and I really don't see what the fuss is about.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 15, 2018, 12:16:44 AM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on April 05, 2018, 02:23:29 PM
Rule is the anthem can only be played once at a venue on any particular day. Generally reserved to before the second game.
Never knew that. I suppose it make sense but it seems more logical to me if it were played before proceedings begins ie before the first game.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Avondhu star on April 15, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
I have been in Irish bars and clubs all over London and have seen grown men and women cry when the anthem is broadcast before big matches every Summer. Even though they are gone from Ireland for many years these men and women still want the link with "home"
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: BennyCake on April 15, 2018, 06:28:54 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on April 15, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
I have been in Irish bars and clubs all over London and have seen grown men and women cry when the anthem is broadcast before big matches every Summer. Even though they are gone from Ireland for many years these men and women still want the link with "home"

Meanwhile, many at the matches can't even shut the feck up until the anthem has finished!
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: The Iceman on April 16, 2018, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 13, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 13, 2018, 10:20:20 PM
I would hate to see the anthem done away with at games. I think it goes hand in hand with gaelic games for me.  It's sad to see so many other countries where the flag and anthem and pride in where you are from outshines the Irish. I have the Irish flag flying proudly outside my house here in Florida. I wish living in the North of Ireland I could even have one without fear of being targeted.  Any time I've been to a bar out here to watch a game every one to a man stood for the Anthem (over the flippin telly!).  I went to see Armagh play Derry in 2007 before I left for the States. I recorded the anthem at that game. Gaelic games, national pride and the anthem are so intertwined I would be devastated for that to be watered down

It probably has more significance now you live away from home. People tend to attach more significance to anything Irish when away from home.

Yes you risk being targeted having a tricolour on your house in the North, but how many in the South fly a tricolour on their house? Very very few. Because the South is not a divided society and therefore few feel the need to nail their colours to the mast.
I recorded the anthem at the match before I left Benny. The significance at the time for me was knowing this was possibly the last time I would be at a game in person. I chose to mark it and recorded the anthem. They're intertwined for me. Not because I'm away. They've always had significance.
Granted this national pride and attachment to Ireland has only increased since I have left and is what brings me home every year now.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: WT4E on December 09, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
National Anthem a big debate at Windsor.

I hear them asking for God Save the Queen to be sung at GAA matches. I use to care but I would be in favour of dropping Soldiers Song if that lot dropped GSTQ.

What do others think now?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Its embarrassing that GSTQ is sang or was even used in the first place by sporting bodies here in the north.

As a UK based anthem I've no problems with it, but when the likes of Wales and Scotland have their own (England should actually have it's own also) then it looks even more silly to think that NI FA chooses on purpose to use another countries anthem, Its like French using the German anthem, two separate footballing nations using the same anthem! Its strange, but the fans will justify it till the cows come home.

Are the 'clubs' at the end of the night or start of the night play the anthem? I know they play it still at the end of the night in the unionist bars, followed by a chorus of, f**k the pope  ;D
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: yellowcard on December 09, 2021, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: WT4E on December 09, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
National Anthem a big debate at Windsor.

I hear them asking for God Save the Queen to be sung at GAA matches. I use to care but I would be in favour of dropping Soldiers Song if that lot dropped GSTQ.

What do others think now?

They could drop it but I still wouldn't get behind the NI soccer team. It should be one national side and I'd be happy to drop any anthem then. I'm not a huge fan of flags, anthems and symbols in general but I do understand that they mean different things to many people.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Itchy on December 09, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 09, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
National Anthem a big debate at Windsor.

I hear them asking for God Save the Queen to be sung at GAA matches. I use to care but I would be in favour of dropping Soldiers Song if that lot dropped GSTQ.

What do others think now?

Personally, and I am not from the 6 counties, but I wouldnt care if they dropped their GSTQ, I would still dislike them as a team. Mostly due to their supporters and their union jacks. Cant understand how any nationalist could play for them.

All that being said. I would drop anthems from all sport. They are not respected by players or supporters as far as I can see. And if you step back and think about it, If Cavan are playing Antrim in next years Ulster championship why is their a need to play a national anthem at it - like what is the purpose of it? 
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: clarshack on December 09, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Its embarrassing that GSTQ is sang or was even used in the first place by sporting bodies here in the north.

As a UK based anthem I've no problems with it, but when the likes of Wales and Scotland have their own (England should actually have it's own also) then it looks even more silly to think that NI FA chooses on purpose to use another countries anthem, Its like French using the German anthem, two separate footballing nations using the same anthem! Its strange, but the fans will justify it till the cows come home.

Are the 'clubs' at the end of the night or start of the night play the anthem? I know they play it still at the end of the night in the unionist bars, followed by a chorus of, f**k the pope  ;D

I remember being in a few places when I was younger that sang Amhran na bhfiann at the end of the night but that must be 30+ years ago now.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: imtommygunn on December 09, 2021, 02:45:14 PM
My da used to tell me about when he lived in Belfast years ago they played GSTQ at the end of the showing in the cinema so him and whoever he was with used to try and sneak out before the end.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 09, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Its embarrassing that GSTQ is sang or was even used in the first place by sporting bodies here in the north.

As a UK based anthem I've no problems with it, but when the likes of Wales and Scotland have their own (England should actually have it's own also) then it looks even more silly to think that NI FA chooses on purpose to use another countries anthem, Its like French using the German anthem, two separate footballing nations using the same anthem! Its strange, but the fans will justify it till the cows come home.

Are the 'clubs' at the end of the night or start of the night play the anthem? I know they play it still at the end of the night in the unionist bars, followed by a chorus of, f**k the pope  ;D

I remember being in a few places when I was younger that sang Amhran na bhfiann at the end of the night but that must be 30+ years ago now.

Yeah, a lot of the clubs when they were busy during the 80's 90's would have done this. Though they never shouted f**k the queen, maybe they did, I was either on my way into town or too pished to hear
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: johnnycool on December 09, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 09, 2021, 02:45:14 PM
My da used to tell me about when he lived in Belfast years ago they played GSTQ at the end of the showing in the cinema so him and whoever he was with used to try and sneak out before the end.

And a few nightclubs as well back in the day IIRC.

Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on December 09, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
Made the mistake of tuning into Nolan this morning for the first time in ages. Had to turn it off after 5 minutes but not before hearing some caller on saying the All Ireland final should be playing GSTQ when there are two "British" teams in the final. Typical of the shite you get on the Nolan show. Turned it straight off after.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Armagh18 on December 09, 2021, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 09, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Its embarrassing that GSTQ is sang or was even used in the first place by sporting bodies here in the north.

As a UK based anthem I've no problems with it, but when the likes of Wales and Scotland have their own (England should actually have it's own also) then it looks even more silly to think that NI FA chooses on purpose to use another countries anthem, Its like French using the German anthem, two separate footballing nations using the same anthem! Its strange, but the fans will justify it till the cows come home.

Are the 'clubs' at the end of the night or start of the night play the anthem? I know they play it still at the end of the night in the unionist bars, followed by a chorus of, f**k the pope  ;D

I remember being in a few places when I was younger that sang Amhran na bhfiann at the end of the night but that must be 30+ years ago now.
Good few pubs still play it.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: WT4E on December 09, 2021, 11:45:57 PM
We booked a band from Dublin for our wedding. Thought they where upmarket. They provided DJ as well. End of night they rattle out the soldiers song. I'd count myself a republican but I was pissed off they did it as my wife had a number of friends and neighbours there who where the other side of the house.

I can day that is the only wedding that I heard it at.

Then off course I got the blame saying u must of asked them to do that....... and I couldn't get angry with the band in case someone found out an accused me of being a stoop or blue shirt.   A no win weird situation to be in.

;D :o
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2021, 08:11:57 AM
Quote from: WT4E on December 09, 2021, 11:45:57 PM
We booked a band from Dublin for our wedding. Thought they where upmarket. They provided DJ as well. End of night they rattle out the soldiers song. I'd count myself a republican but I was pissed off they did it as my wife had a number of friends and neighbours there who where the other side of the house.

I can day that is the only wedding that I heard it at.

Then off course I got the blame saying u must of asked them to do that....... and I couldn't get angry with the band in case someone found out an accused me of being a stoop or blue shirt.   A no win weird situation to be in.

;D :o

;D ;D

That would have been some craic lol.

I suppose people stood to attention?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Cyril Farrell fan on December 10, 2021, 09:34:13 AM
The worst time you could play the anthem on match day is just before the throw in when the crowd are getting restless.
Most people would rather skip it and have the match start.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 10, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
I still turn the volume down or channel over if GSTQ is on. Then again I went to the bother of getting a protractor to scrape out the London in Londonderry(you know the gold script stuff at the bottom corner) on my first wains 1 year old photo. No way it was getting framed on wall with that
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Taylor on December 10, 2021, 11:04:18 AM
I love the National Anthem being played before games.

Think it really adds to the occasion and can get the hairs on your neck standing depending on the importance of the game

Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
National anthem before a game never really bothered me, I suppose it was part of the association saying we all irish, but it wouldn't attract many protestants to our games.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: An Watcher on December 10, 2021, 09:18:15 PM
I love the anthem before games and was one of the main things I remembered at big games.  Be a shame to lose it and I don't see why it should go tbh
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Silver hill on December 10, 2021, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on December 10, 2021, 09:34:13 AM
The worst time you could play the anthem on match day is just before the throw in when the crowd are getting restless.
Most people would rather skip it and have the match start.
[/quote

Most people?
Are you nuts?
Two of the greatest feelings (as an Irishman) is to sing the National Anthem at the hurling or football final.
Restless me hole.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Eire90 on December 11, 2021, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on December 09, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
National Anthem a big debate at Windsor.

I hear them asking for God Save the Queen to be sung at GAA matches. I use to care but I would be in favour of dropping Soldiers Song if that lot dropped GSTQ.

What do others think now?

it was really nolan and radio ulser stirring it up as usual i think most people dont care what they play at northern ireland games
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on December 11, 2021, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on December 10, 2021, 09:18:15 PM
I love the anthem before games and was one of the main things I remembered at big games.  Be a shame to lose it and I don't see why it should go tbh
It's grand when it's played or sung properly at the bigger games.
But scratchy recordings, probably from gramophone days at NFL matches or some poor frozen scór winner singing it like a lament or phonetically not having a clue what it means...... no thanks.
As to the bigger picture there's no need for it before games at at all.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Armagh18 on December 13, 2021, 08:53:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2021, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on December 10, 2021, 09:18:15 PM
I love the anthem before games and was one of the main things I remembered at big games.  Be a shame to lose it and I don't see why it should go tbh
It's grand when it's played or sung properly at the bigger games.
But scratchy recordings, probably from gramophone days at NFL matches or some poor frozen scór winner singing it like a lament or phonetically not having a clue what it means...... no thanks.
As to the bigger picture there's no need for it before games at at all.
So we need better speaker systems or singers then? Personally have heard it manys a time in the AG before club/county games and the hairs be standing on your neck as a neutral nevermind when your own club/county is involved.

Our Scor winners must be of a better standard than yours ;)
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2021, 09:08:31 AM
It's usually the Nordie or Leinster ones who sing phonetically as they haven't a clue what the words are or mean.
9 times out of 10 the players don't stand to attention either.
Then there are the lugs who drown out the last line or 2 roarin like eejits.
As I say no need for it, except maybe AI Finals.
Thousands of games played every week that don't have it.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Armagh18 on December 13, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2021, 09:08:31 AM
It's usually the Nordie or Leinster ones who sing phonetically as they haven't a clue what the words are or mean.
9 times out of 10 the players don't stand to attention either.
Then there are the lugs who drown out the last line or 2 roarin like eejits.
As I say no need for it, except maybe AI Finals.
Thousands of games played every week that don't have it.
Ah here we go....
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Itchy on December 13, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.

I think before a big game AI semis, AI finals maybe and Provincial finals i think sure play it. But before McKenna cup, league games its a bit of a joke. You have players stretching, spitting out water during it. You have supporters chatting through it. Its the anthem of our country and if it is not going to be respected then don't embarrass yourself by playing it. Finally in the broader context if it becomes a barrier to other people from different backgrounds playing our games then I have no problem at all getting shot of it altogether, my identify as an Irishman is bigger and more complex than a 60 second song.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Armagh18 on December 13, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 13, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.

I think before a big game AI semis, AI finals maybe and Provincial finals i think sure play it. But before McKenna cup, league games its a bit of a joke. You have players stretching, spitting out water during it. You have supporters chatting through it. Its the anthem of our country and if it is not going to be respected then don't embarrass yourself by playing it. Finally in the broader context if it becomes a barrier to other people from different backgrounds playing our games then I have no problem at all getting shot of it altogether, my identify as an Irishman is bigger and more complex than a 60 second song.
Very rarely if ever see players not giving the anthem full respect snd attention and can definitely say no one in the stand has ever chatted through it at any game I've been at, but anyway just my experience. Completely disagree on your second point, don't think we should be ditching our national anthem to pander to people that have no interest in our sport or culture.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 13, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.

I think before a big game AI semis, AI finals maybe and Provincial finals i think sure play it. But before McKenna cup, league games its a bit of a joke. You have players stretching, spitting out water during it. You have supporters chatting through it. Its the anthem of our country and if it is not going to be respected then don't embarrass yourself by playing it. Finally in the broader context if it becomes a barrier to other people from different backgrounds playing our games then I have no problem at all getting shot of it altogether, my identify as an Irishman is bigger and more complex than a 60 second song.
100%. If it gets more people playing our games I don't see the harm.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Itchy on December 13, 2021, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 13, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 13, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.

I think before a big game AI semis, AI finals maybe and Provincial finals i think sure play it. But before McKenna cup, league games its a bit of a joke. You have players stretching, spitting out water during it. You have supporters chatting through it. Its the anthem of our country and if it is not going to be respected then don't embarrass yourself by playing it. Finally in the broader context if it becomes a barrier to other people from different backgrounds playing our games then I have no problem at all getting shot of it altogether, my identify as an Irishman is bigger and more complex than a 60 second song.
Very rarely if ever see players not giving the anthem full respect snd attention and can definitely say no one in the stand has ever chatted through it at any game I've been at, but anyway just my experience. Completely disagree on your second point, don't think we should be ditching our national anthem to pander to people that have no interest in our sport or culture.

And you know for sure that they aren't interested in our sport or culture? There were Irish speakers in unionist circles 100 years ago. There is a woman from a loyalist background (whos name escapes me at the moment) who I see on TV learning Irish and involved in a new GAA club up in Belfast. Why cant we budge a bit? You are not giving anything away, a song that is 100 years old invented for a 26 county state. Look at what the union jack waving, GSTQ mob have done  to NI soccer, do you want to be the other side to that coin. A united Ireland is coming btw, it would be best to help people to come into our organisations rather to freeze  them out over a song.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: pbat on December 13, 2021, 06:54:02 PM
I like the anthem before games but I am open to the prospect of dropping it for the correct reasons. If its to reach a hand out to genuine protestants then why not, but I don't feel the need as the type who may consider GAA are the same lads who have no issues going to Dublin to watch the Irish Rugby team.

But if its just to appease certain people like the ignoramous below, Jamie Bryson and his knuckle dragger friends I wouldn't even consider it.


Lord John Kilclooney
@KilclooneyJohn
Rory Best,now a GAA Club member and GAA supporter, did not contribute a positive commentary for Ulster Rugby in this evening's game in France!!
9:17 PM · Dec 11, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on December 13, 2021, 06:59:38 PM
What Club did Rory Best join?
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: pbat on December 13, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
O Hanlon's of Poyntzpass were he is from held a cross community day to honour him a couple of months ago, Banbridge Rugby club came up and they played a half an half rugby/football. Not sure he joined the club but it was in all the local papers.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: charlieTully on December 14, 2021, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2021, 06:59:38 PM
What Club did Rory Best join?

His father has been a member for years. Rory and Simons lads both play for OHanlons.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on December 14, 2021, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.

Great. But knock the bewilderment as to why themmuns aren't interested on the head.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Armagh18 on December 14, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 14, 2021, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: general_lee on December 13, 2021, 09:55:47 AM
On the face of it it's only a small thing, but singing the National anthem before a big match or final was (and to a certain extent still is) one of the few occasions when "nordies" got to express their identity collectively, free from any threat of harassment. Personally not fussed if it was confined to finals only, but I wouldn't underestimate the meaning it holds for people in the north - something some of our southern cousins would do well to remember.

Great. But knock the bewilderment as to why themmuns aren't interested on the head.
Is there many that care if themmuns are interested or not? If they are that's great if not it's no loss.
Title: Re: "It's time for the GAA to drop the national anthem"
Post by: Rossfan on December 14, 2021, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 14, 2021, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2021, 06:59:38 PM
What Club did Rory Best join?

His father has been a member for years. Rory and Simons lads both play for OHanlons.
Very good.