Positive proposals at last to address the spectacle of Gaelic Football

Started by APM, October 02, 2018, 04:43:21 PM

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westbound

I think the 3 hand pass rule will have to go because it is too hard to enforce for referees.  Having seen my first game under the new rules yesterday it's nearly impossible for a ref to keep track of it.

regardless of whether it is a good idea in theory or not, I think it'll have to go.

The other 4 rules had minimal effect yesterday, but I think the attacking mark will actually lead to more teams dropping men back to play in front of the big target men.

oakleaflad

Quote from: cornerback on January 14, 2019, 10:36:22 AM
https://twitter.com/BMG_11/status/1084734505070534656

Derry blown up for 1 handpass in a row!! Is that even a thing!!??  And also, 2 handpasses in a row.

Tyrone twice got away with 4 handpasses in a row - both resulting in scores.
Clear evidence as to why that rule should be done away with and asap at that. Makes the refs job even harder and if county refs had bother with it then i'm sure club refs would have the same issues.

DuffleKing

If there are people who see a net long term positive effect on either the aesthetics or playing enjoyment of limiting the chained number of handpasses then, for me, they should be disqualified from meaningful discussion about how we actually take a serious look at evolving the game. Essentially those that came up with it and those who support it should be patted on the head and told to sit in the stand.

Similarly the forward sideline contributes nothing positive but there are more and more people saying sure what harm just to say something conciliatory against a morbid handpass discussion backdrop.

The kick out experiment really changes nothing but it highlights the lack of foresight of the Rules crew. They had a "radical" vision for the kick out, were told to wise up and came back with two separate versions before simply moving where keepers kick the ball from to save face in maintaining the facade that they still had a kick out rule experiment. Alarm bells should have been ringing early based on this alone.

Personally i'd be happy that the Sin bin is a better solution to BC offenses (which need reviewed) and that there is a version of the offensive mark that can help the game. Carefully reviewed versions of these and the kick out position change should be trialed during Higher Education and Colleges leagues in the autumn.

Ringfort

One positive change I'd like to see is a traditional Irish split in the GAA. Let the Ulster teams who favour the current set up carry on as they are, giving primacy to tactical massed defence, running with the ball through "blankets", passing through the hands, further development of the game into a sort of basketball/rugby hybrid, coming up with new ways to spoil the spectacle etc etc and let the more naive, purist counties from Connacht , Munster and Leinster get on with developing their game back into something it should resemble i.e. FOOTball 😜

Itchy

Quote from: DuffleKing on January 14, 2019, 12:17:47 PM
If there are people who see a net long term positive effect on either the aesthetics or playing enjoyment of limiting the chained number of handpasses then, for me, they should be disqualified from meaningful discussion about how we actually take a serious look at evolving the game. Essentially those that came up with it and those who support it should be patted on the head and told to sit in the stand.

Similarly the forward sideline contributes nothing positive but there are more and more people saying sure what harm just to say something conciliatory against a morbid handpass discussion backdrop.

The kick out experiment really changes nothing but it highlights the lack of foresight of the Rules crew. They had a "radical" vision for the kick out, were told to wise up and came back with two separate versions before simply moving where keepers kick the ball from to save face in maintaining the facade that they still had a kick out rule experiment. Alarm bells should have been ringing early based on this alone.

Personally i'd be happy that the Sin bin is a better solution to BC offenses (which need reviewed) and that there is a version of the offensive mark that can help the game. Carefully reviewed versions of these and the kick out position change should be trialed during Higher Education and Colleges leagues in the autumn.

Great idea, disqualify anyone from discussion who doesn't agree with you.

DuffleKing


Just extrapolating your position that anyone who coaches or manages should be disqualified - more logical to remove those certifiably unable to think logically. For the good of the game of course.

playwiththewind1st

Quote from: Ringfort on January 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
One positive change I'd like to see is a traditional Irish split in the GAA. Let the Ulster teams who favour the current set up carry on as they are, giving primacy to tactical massed defence, running with the ball through "blankets", passing through the hands, further development of the game into a sort of basketball/rugby hybrid, coming up with new ways to spoil the spectacle etc etc and let the more naive, purist counties from Connacht , Munster and Leinster get on with developing their game back into something it should resemble i.e. FOOTball 😜

Now...are we talking 9 counties or 6 counties here?

oakleaflad

Quote from: playwiththewind1st on January 14, 2019, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on January 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
One positive change I'd like to see is a traditional Irish split in the GAA. Let the Ulster teams who favour the current set up carry on as they are, giving primacy to tactical massed defence, running with the ball through "blankets", passing through the hands, further development of the game into a sort of basketball/rugby hybrid, coming up with new ways to spoil the spectacle etc etc and let the more naive, purist counties from Connacht , Munster and Leinster get on with developing their game back into something it should resemble i.e. FOOTball 😜

Now...are we talking 9 counties or 6 counties here?
Talking out their arse is what they're doing

Maiden1

Quote from: Ringfort on January 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
One positive change I'd like to see is a traditional Irish split in the GAA. Let the Ulster teams who favour the current set up carry on as they are, giving primacy to tactical massed defence, running with the ball through "blankets", passing through the hands, further development of the game into a sort of basketball/rugby hybrid, coming up with new ways to spoil the spectacle etc etc and let the more naive, purist counties from Connacht , Munster and Leinster get on with developing their game back into something it should resemble i.e. FOOTball 😜
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xonkqJt19dM

If you go to 39:07 you will hear John O'Mahony talking about the Mick O'Dwyer managed Kildare team playing a blanket defense in 1998.  Bit ironic that most people assume Pat Spillane invented the term in 2003 when giving out about northern teams.
There are no proofs, only opinions.

Rossfan

Quote from: Ringfort on January 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
One positive change I'd like to see is a traditional Irish split in the GAA. Let the Ulster teams who favour the current set up carry on as they are, giving primacy to tactical massed defence, running with the ball through "blankets", passing through the hands, further development of the game into a sort of basketball/rugby hybrid, coming up with new ways to spoil the spectacle etc etc and let the more naive, purist counties from Connacht , Munster and Leinster get on with developing their game back into something it should resemble i.e. FOOTball 😜
Hear hear!!!
Wonderful game of Connacht football in the Hyde yesterday.
The Ulster stuff could be called "NO!ball"😁
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

tippabu

As opinionated and outspoken as I've been about the new rules I've yet to see them in the flesh.

On the advanced mark, how is it determined if it's a mark or advantage and attacker plays on? If an attacker catches the ball on the 22 in front of goal and a defender tackles him almost instantly can the attacker just stop and say it's a mark? For kickouts the game pauses and you are not allowed touch the person who takes the mark, that obviously can't happen for the offensive one.

Finding it hard to put down here but it's just a few scenarios I can picture where I'm not sure how it will work out and basically asking so far how it's been reffed in regards to when is it a mark, when is it play on, I presume it's purely down to the player to call a mark and basically has there been any issues and how is this playing out.

mrdeeds

Quote from: Maiden1 on January 14, 2019, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on January 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
One positive change I'd like to see is a traditional Irish split in the GAA. Let the Ulster teams who favour the current set up carry on as they are, giving primacy to tactical massed defence, running with the ball through "blankets", passing through the hands, further development of the game into a sort of basketball/rugby hybrid, coming up with new ways to spoil the spectacle etc etc and let the more naive, purist counties from Connacht , Munster and Leinster get on with developing their game back into something it should resemble i.e. FOOTball 😜
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xonkqJt19dM

If you go to 39:07 you will hear John O'Mahony talking about the Mick O'Dwyer managed Kildare team playing a blanket defense in 1998.  Bit ironic that most people assume Pat Spillane invented the term in 2003 when giving out about northern teams.

At that time Tyrone used a high press on whoever was in possession. Not even remotely defensive. The exact same thing Kerry did in 1997 except Tyrone were more systematic in their application.

trailer

Offensive mark has to go.
If it's caught and you don't tackle the forward, the forward has a free run.
If you do then are you tackling a player after the free is awarded, were the punishment can be moving the ball forward.
You can't make the forward take the free if wants to play on.
Shite rule, ill thought out. Should be binned immediately.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

BennyCake

Gaelic Life this week.

Cavan man suggests trialling no fisting backwards.

Could work.

What you think?