Brexit.

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I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

Nobody is worse than Corbyn. Not fit to run a bath never mind the country.

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I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

Sour Grapes by the looks of it (sorry couldn't resist).

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I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

It's not just her that has made this complaint though - anti-Semitism seems to be endemic in Labour. I'd be surprised if more don't join the breakaway group. Umunna (some Irish heritage) seems as reasonable and centrist as one could meet.

[LeoMc]

I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

So she joined Labour tp stop Labour winning?

Are you saying their is no Anti-semetism in the labour party?

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I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

So she joined Labour tp stop Labour winning?

Are you saying their is no Anti-semetism in the labour party?

Is there though?? Are there holocaust deniers?? I don't see how pointing out the plight of the Palestinians suddenly makes everyone an anti semite. Are you not allowed criticise Israel at all just because they are Jewish??

I don't know the ins and outs of all the antim-semitic allegations against Labour but any that I've seen have been insensitive at best and generally the chance for someone to put the boot in about the party being destroyed with it when I don't think it really is.

I'd be happy to view evidence to the contrary if there is some.

[LeoMc]

I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

So she joined Labour tp stop Labour winning?

Are you saying their is no Anti-semetism in the labour party?

Is there though?? Are there holocaust deniers?? I don't see how pointing out the plight of the Palestinians suddenly makes everyone an anti semite. Are you not allowed criticise Israel at all just because they are Jewish??

I don't know the ins and outs of all the antim-semitic allegations against Labour but any that I've seen have been insensitive at best and generally the chance for someone to put the boot in about the party being destroyed with it when I don't think it really is.

I'd be happy to view evidence to the contrary if there is some.

Criticism of the actions of the Israeli state is not anti-Semitism however anti-Semitism is more than just holocaust denial. There is an international definition but labour tried to amend it before adopting it. Corbyn has been involved in rows over appearing on stage with anti-semites and of attending services for the perpetrators of the attack on the Israeli team at the Munich Olympics.
There have been a number of councillors and MP's who have been found to have been involved in anti-semitic group chats or of  of sharing anti-semitic cartoons usually hinting that Jews control the World or the banking system. IIRC Corbyn also endorsed a similar mural depicting Jews as money-lenders,

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There is an international definition but labour tried to amend it before adopting it

and rightly so!

Did you see what it says?

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

The way Israel is behaving in the Gaza strip is comparable to the behaviour of the Nazis.


I have absolute no time for anyone having a go at someone for their race. But I do have a problem with people using race to justify actions.

To borrow and paraphrase from Martin Luther...

People should not be judged by the color of their skin or the background of their genes but by the content of their character.

[seafoid]

I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

So she joined Labour tp stop Labour winning?

Are you saying their is no Anti-semetism in the labour party?

Is there though?? Are there holocaust deniers?? I don't see how pointing out the plight of the Palestinians suddenly makes everyone an anti semite. Are you not allowed criticise Israel at all just because they are Jewish??

I don't know the ins and outs of all the antim-semitic allegations against Labour but any that I've seen have been insensitive at best and generally the chance for someone to put the boot in about the party being destroyed with it when I don't think it really is.

I'd be happy to view evidence to the contrary if there is some.

Criticism of the actions of the Israeli state is not anti-Semitism however anti-Semitism is more than just holocaust denial. There is an international definition but labour tried to amend it before adopting it. Corbyn has been involved in rows over appearing on stage with anti-semites and of attending services for the perpetrators of the attack on the Israeli team at the Munich Olympics.
There have been a number of councillors and MP's who have been found to have been involved in anti-semitic group chats or of  of sharing anti-semitic cartoons usually hinting that Jews control the World or the banking system. IIRC Corbyn also endorsed a similar mural depicting Jews as money-lenders,

Criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic.

The real thing is murderous. Expecting Israel to observe international law is unrelated

Antisemitism in Labour is real boy who cried wolf

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Honda gonna close the Swindon plant.

Strong and Stable, eh Theresa?

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Honda gonna close the Swindon plant.

Strong and Stable, eh Theresa?

Swindon voted to leave as well . . .  but we're not allowed to say they're stupid because that's why they won or something?!

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Honda gonna close the Swindon plant.

Strong and Stable, eh Theresa?

Swindon voted to leave as well . . .  but we're not allowed to say they're stupid because that's why they won or something?!

Brexit is magical thinking.
The DUP are in serious shit because they bet the farm on Brexit as a way to dump the GFA and hurt the 26 counties and Varadkar in particular
just cos he is Irish.
And now it is all falling apart.

It would take a heart of stone not to laugh

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Brexit is a UK version of the Irish bank guarantee. It is a suicide note involving huge unpriced tail risk .

When FF signed the guarantee, Ireland had a huge current account deficit. The money was called in afterwards and the economy collapsed.

The UK has a huge current account deficit . There is a hole in the bucket.

Every single deal will be worse than Remain terms.

Over at the FT

EU Horrified
"Japanese business were promised unfettered access to EU markets whilst enjoying the legal stability of being domiciled in the UK. The UK's course since then has been to betray these investors and renege on its market access promises. Why would the Japanese or anyone else trust anything that came out of the UK ever again."

Do threascair an saol is shéid an ghaoth mar smál
Alastrann, Caesar, 's an méid sin a bhí 'na bpáirt;
tá an Teamhair 'na féar, is féach an Traoi mar tá,
is na Sasanaigh féin do b'fhéidir go bhfaighidís bás.

Eoghan Rua O'Suilleabhain (1748-82)

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Seafoid no surprise on this thread re the Labour "splitters", but some of the rest of you, do some research for Christ's sake

[seafoid]

I see the England and Wales Labour Party starting to disintegrate  with 7 MPs jumping ship.

7 neoliberals I think

Berger is a piece of work

Whining about anti-Semitism when what she really wants is to prevent  a Labour Government changing the economic system

It's not just her that has made this complaint though - anti-Semitism seems to be endemic in Labour. I'd be surprised if more don't join the breakaway group. Umunna (some Irish heritage) seems as reasonable and centrist as one could meet.

https://orientxxi.info/magazine/anti-semitism-orchestrated-offensive-against-jeremy-corbyn-in-the-uk,2446

« Corbyn's supporters argue that the main Jewish lobby groups in the party, most notably the Jewish Labour Movement, the UK's sister organisation of the Israeli Labour Party, dread a future in which a Corbyn government may become the first in Europe to prioritise the Palestinians over Israel.
And the dominant faction of Blairite MPs fear losing their party to someone they view as a political dinosaur and a threat to the political and economic order they champion.

When socialists or Occupy movements critiqued globalisation—speaking of "global elites," "a rigged system," "a parasitic 1 per cent"—they were not just indicting a ruling class. According to the authors, they were also echoing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious forgery claiming that Jews controlled the international financial system.
The advantage of this line of attack for a capitalist class keen to maintain its privileges hardly needs pointing out. Any effort to articulate a programme for radical change, for socialism, becomes inherently vulnerable to the charge of anti-semitism.


 Jonathan Freedland, a senior columnist at the Guardian, waded in to support the JLM, arguing that the traditional definition of anti-semitism—that it was a hatred of Jews for being Jews—was too limited.
Instead, he claimed, it was a mood that could be perceived only by its victims, even if there was no tangible evidence that outsiders could detect. Further, anti-semitism included attacks on Jewish identity. And because Israel was now central to most Jews' identity, attacks on Israel could be evidence of anti-semitism too. »

This is central to Jewish identity according to Freedland

https://youtu.be/b6V7YirXXII

And if you disagree you are a Nazi


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/republicans-democrats-messaging.html

« WASHINGTON — In the 116th Congress, if you're a Democrat, you're either a socialist, a baby killer or an anti-Semite.
That, at least, is what Republicans want voters to think, as they seek to demonize Democrats well in advance of the 2020 elections by painting them as left-wing crazies who will destroy the American economy, murder newborn babies and turn a blind eye to bigotry against Jews. »


Meanwhile the real thing is thriving on the net

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-measure-of-hate-on-4chan-627922/amp/

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Japan warned May about f**king around with a Hard Brexit back in 2016

   https://www.ft.com/content/98dd4eb4-729f-11e6-bf48-b372cdb1043a

   Japan calls for 'soft' Brexit — or companies could leave UK
      

               George Parker in Hangzhou
      
               September 4, 2016

                     
            

         Japan has issued a daunting challenge to Theresa May, UK prime minister, to negotiate a very "soft" British exit from the EU or risk seeing Japanese banks and other companies leave for the continent.Mrs May, attending her first G20 summit in China, was also warned on Sunday by Barack Obama, US president, that strong business links between his country and the UK could "unravel" unless Brexit was handled carefully.The British prime minister had been left in no doubt that Japanese and US companies invested in the UK partly as a base to reach the 500m consumers of the European single market, and that continued access was seen as vital.A memo on Japan's Brexit demands, posted on the ministry of foreign affairs website, called on Mrs May and the EU to negotiate a post-Brexit deal that safeguarded almost all of Britain's rights in the single market.The memo said the UK government lured some Japanese companies to Britain on the basis that it was "seen to be a gateway to Europe" and suggested it had a moral obligation to honour those promises."We strongly request that the UK will consider this fact seriously and respond in a responsible manner to minimise any harmful effects on these businesses," said the memo, setting out Japan's position to both British and EU negotiators."Japanese businesses with their European headquarters in the UK may decide to transfer their head-office function to continental Europe if EU laws cease to be applicable in the UK after its withdrawal," the report says.It adds that Japanese financial institutions might have to "relocate their operations from the UK to existing establishments in the EU" if they were to lose their right to the single passport obtained in Britain to access the single market.Almost half of Japanese direct investment intended for the EU in 2015 flowed to the UK, and Britain was one of the main destinations for Japan's investment stock within the EU as of the end of last year.Toyota has two plants and employs 3,500 in the UK. While not referring directly to the government memo, the company said on Sunday: "Going forward, we will closely monitor and analyse the impact on our business operations in the UK and how we can maintain competitiveness and secure sustainable growth together with the UK automotive industry and other stakeholders." Sources in the Japanese banking sector say they saw the memo on Japan's Brexit demands as making common sense.
               
         
                  
                  
         
            "It's helpful in some ways because it puts responsibility on the EU and UK [to sort this out]," one of the sources said.The sources were cautious on the document's implications that there would be big changes to Japanese banks' European headquarters if there was a "hard Brexit", stressing that there were other ways around licensing issues beyond moving their headquarters. As well as its UK operations, which employ about 2,000, Nomura has an extensive presence elsewhere in the EU, including banks in Luxembourg and Frankfurt. Japan's other two big banks with London operations — Mizuho and Mitsubishi UFJ, which employs 1,200 in the UK — also have other EU operations including licensed banks in Luxembourg. The newly-arrived Japanese ambassador to London said on Monday that Japan had "a very huge stake in making Brexit a success that will not damage or hurt the global economy".

Koji Tsuruoka played down suggestions of a wholesale pull out by Japanese companies, telling the BBC Today programme that it was "difficult to imagine that all Japanese companies will be pulling out in totality" because the UK will remain a big market for Japanese car makers."But if the way Brexit ends up does not provide companies with the prospect of making sufficient profits to continue operating in the UK of course there is no option that they cannot choose and all options are open to them," he saidHe stressed the need to maintain tariff free access to the European market, but indicated if customs duties were imposed on Japanese products shipped from the UK to the EU, the impact could be offset if the exchange rate also falls.Japan's business wish list could be very difficult for Mrs May to deliver, since it closely resembles Britain's current relationship with the EU, something that UK voters and many Tory MPs want to fundamentally reform.Japanese companies want to retain access to workers who are nationals of the UK and EU and to maintain current tariff rates and customs clearance procedures. They also want to maintain harmonised regulations and standards between Britain and the EU.Mrs May had accepted the need to "control" the free movement of EU nationals to Britain, something that ministers conceded was incompatible with membership of the single market.Mr Obama, who met Mrs May at the G20 in the eastern Chinese city of Hangzhou, said Britain's exit should be negotiated so that there was minimised disruption of American investment in the UK and it did not "unravel" strong business ties between the two countries.Additional reporting by Laura Noonan and James Wilson