Brexit.

[seafoid]

Franko you beat me to it there. I'm sure there is an element of self interest, but in my opinion and having heard the men speak in a more private arena, just like what has been said of Corbyn, they come a across as very decent individuals. I think history will judge them well.

Probably truth in that.  Varadkar (and probably moreso Coveney) do come across to me as level headed and decent.

Even if it was just alignment of interest the GFA gave the Dublin govt leverage to be used in times like these. There is a very good reason for the DUP heads to be shouting  and roaring now. The 6 counties are not the same as Finchley.
Anyway if you look at the demographics it is a no brainer.

I think Kevin OHiggins was justice minister when a group of Gaels came down in 1927 looking for help. They were turned away. So many times people from the North were ignored.
Now you have Paris and Berlin supporting the Dublin position which supports the GFA ie living in NI with Irish passport and an open border.

[omochain]

Franko you beat me to it there. I'm sure there is an element of self interest, but in my opinion and having heard the men speak in a more private arena, just like what has been said of Corbyn, they come a across as very decent individuals. I think history will judge them well.

Probably truth in that.  Varadkar (and probably moreso Coveney) do come across to me as level headed and decent.

Even if it was just alignment of interest the GFA gave the Dublin govt leverage to be used in times like these. There is a very good reason for the DUP heads to be shouting  and roaring now. The 6 counties are not the same as Finchley.
Anyway if you look at the demographics it is a no brainer.

I think Kevin OHiggins was justice minister when a group of Gaels came down in 1927 looking for help. They were turned away. So many times people from the North were ignored.
Now you have Paris and Berlin supporting the Dublin position which supports the GFA ie living in NI with Irish passport and an open border.

Bia na mara:

a bit of advice please

That period of Irish history between 1918 and 1938 is seriously under covered. Do you have any recommendations on where I can go to do some research on the period.

[Eamonnca1]

Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

That's a top quality post.

[seafoid]

Franko you beat me to it there. I'm sure there is an element of self interest, but in my opinion and having heard the men speak in a more private arena, just like what has been said of Corbyn, they come a across as very decent individuals. I think history will judge them well.

Probably truth in that.  Varadkar (and probably moreso Coveney) do come across to me as level headed and decent.

Even if it was just alignment of interest the GFA gave the Dublin govt leverage to be used in times like these. There is a very good reason for the DUP heads to be shouting  and roaring now. The 6 counties are not the same as Finchley.
Anyway if you look at the demographics it is a no brainer.

I think Kevin OHiggins was justice minister when a group of Gaels came down in 1927 looking for help. They were turned away. So many times people from the North were ignored.
Now you have Paris and Berlin supporting the Dublin position which supports the GFA ie living in NI with Irish passport and an open border.

Bia na mara:

a bit of advice please

That period of Irish history between 1918 and 1938 is seriously under covered. Do you have any recommendations on where I can go to do some research on the period.

Conor McNamara is very good

https://www.kennys.ie/results/?q=Conor+Mcnamara

Kennys.ie is good for Irish history

Ulster history is fascinating. The O'Neills had a coronating chair in Tullyogue. SF should have used it for Michelle. Untouchable political theatre vs makey uppy on the DUP side.

[Sheugh Water]

Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

[charlieTully]

Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

That's a top quality post.

+1

[michaelg]

Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

That's a top quality post.

+1

-1 What a load of nonsense

[Therealdonald]

Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

That's a top quality post.

+1

-1 What a load of nonsense

Knew it was only a matter of time before moaning michael reared his head.

[michaelg]

Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

That's a top quality post.

+1

-1 What a load of nonsense

Knew it was only a matter of time before moaning michael reared his head.

Good evening to you too, Sir!

[Milltown Row2]

Settler communities are different to normal societies because there is no historical continuity and identity has to be invented in a room somewhere from elements that someone has to define. It has to be hard coded.
Over time identity changes. Eg in the South there was a shift from strongly catholic to more liberal on gay issues. Societies will debate this stuff and then change. Or they won't.  But it won't lead to existential insecurity.   
But for unionists the hard coding of identity is very hard to change. Take out Queen and Somme and there isn't much left and then what would you replace it with ?
Unionist identity is very fragile.

Settlers tend to be easier to scare the shite out of because they know unconsciously that their people  were outsiders who came in by force. They are easier to manipulate
The next few months will be hard for GB but very hard for Unionists in NI.

That's a top quality post.

+1

-1 What a load of nonsense

What about the ones that took the soup Seafoid? Do they feel the same as the 'settlers' ?

[screenexile]

Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

[ardtole]

Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

[Tubberman]

Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

[Milltown Row2]

Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

We?

[trailer]

Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Correct. He's in bed with SF as well. Corbyn is the biggest threat to peace in Ireland.