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« Reply #58260 on: September 13, 2017, 07:45:41 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.



Hi Ho Silver, tell me this Silver me bucko, if, when he was allegedly asked, he had said yes and he had went on to win 3,   yes 3 Derry titles in a row and 2 Ulster titles in that time with Glen,  do you think the same hostility would be shown to him by Enda or other Glen people? They'd be carrying him up and down Maghera. You need not try to fool anyone into to thinking that the anger shown to King Mickey is anything other pure jealously at what he has helped us achieve.  Up the Robbies!!
Hypothetical question Billy as that scenario was never going to materialise. Mickey couldn't countenance taking his own club because even he couldn't put the bare face on and ask for coin. So, your question is sort of irrelevant really.

And based on your character assassination over the last few days, most true GAA people would say that Mickey was 100% correct not to go anywhere near the club.

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« Reply #58261 on: September 13, 2017, 08:54:47 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.



Hi Ho Silver, tell me this Silver me bucko, if, when he was allegedly asked, he had said yes and he had went on to win 3,   yes 3 Derry titles in a row and 2 Ulster titles in that time with Glen,  do you think the same hostility would be shown to him by Enda or other Glen people? They'd be carrying him up and down Maghera. You need not try to fool anyone into to thinking that the anger shown to King Mickey is anything other pure jealously at what he has helped us achieve.  Up the Robbies!!
Hypothetical question Billy as that scenario was never going to materialise. Mickey couldn't countenance taking his own club because even he couldn't put the bare face on and ask for coin. So, your question is sort of irrelevant really.

And based on your character assassination over the last few days, most true GAA people would say that Mickey was 100% correct not to go anywhere near the club.

Dear oh dear Restore. I've already spelt it out for you, step by step, how each point was indeed a fact and not conjecture or opinion. If you now define that as character assassination, we'll, I have no control over your interpretation. I did note however that you had no response or opinion on the 21 players?

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« Reply #58262 on: September 13, 2017, 10:06:47 PM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.

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« Reply #58263 on: September 13, 2017, 10:13:14 PM »
Just out of interest how many of the 21 that "couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery", played during the league and ultimately started 94/95 league final against Donegal?
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« Reply #58264 on: September 13, 2017, 11:09:27 PM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.
Dear God, you are thick? The only 'fact' that was incorrect was the number of players who didn't play. 21 players instead of 20 as originally stated. Me bad! If you interpret that as me stating that I can't remember what I posted then...well, what can I say. You might have had an argument if I could only have named say15 or 16, but when there were actually more...

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« Reply #58265 on: September 13, 2017, 11:24:27 PM »
Just out of interest how many of the 21 that "couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery", played during the league and ultimately started 94/95 league final against Donegal?

Not sure, would need to hoke out the programme to accurately answer that one. I do recall it being rent a crowd for the opening league games pre Christmas. Did Coleman not tell the players that he appreciated their loyalty but ultimately Derry football trumped everything else? Sign of the man he was really. Eventually the majority were back for the championship I think, even Gary? You mention the league final... something happened in that game with Jonny Kelly or possibly just after that. Long time ago, but I think Moran dropped him from the panel. Maybe someone else can recall it better.

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« Reply #58266 on: September 14, 2017, 12:10:30 AM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.
Dear God, you are thick? The only 'fact' that was incorrect was the number of players who didn't play. 21 players instead of 20 as originally stated. Me bad! If you interpret that as me stating that I can't remember what I posted then...well, what can I say. You might have had an argument if I could only have named say15 or 16, but when there were actually more...

Once you bring god into the discussion, you always admit defeat. Thanks. There is no god, you probably are a former teacher who may even still believe in santa, probably attend mass regularly and can name 21 saints. But speaking on behalf of 21 AI winners is indeed a miracle.

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« Reply #58267 on: September 14, 2017, 06:08:58 AM »
Moran said Enda was big eared on a night out. Fall out stemmed from there.

Nothing to do with 93 or Mickey being shackled to his hometown club like a slave.

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« Reply #58268 on: September 14, 2017, 08:26:46 AM »
Moran said Enda was big eared on a night out. Fall out stemmed from there.

Nothing to do with 93 or Mickey being shackled to his hometown club like a slave.

Hahaha brilliant. I actually hope this is true. Let's see who argues with this one? "Nawh lads, he actually said Enda had a big nose and could smoke a cigar in the shower"

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« Reply #58269 on: September 14, 2017, 12:37:47 PM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.
Dear God, you are thick? The only 'fact' that was incorrect was the number of players who didn't play. 21 players instead of 20 as originally stated. Me bad! If you interpret that as me stating that I can't remember what I posted then...well, what can I say. You might have had an argument if I could only have named say15 or 16, but when there were actually more...

Once you bring god into the discussion, you always admit defeat. Thanks. There is no god, you probably are a former teacher who may even still believe in santa, probably attend mass regularly and can name 21 saints. But speaking on behalf of 21 AI winners is indeed a miracle.

Very weird application of logic there Restore, smacks of desperation to me. Let's try to stick to the facts, that doesn't seem to be sinking in with you. You asked me to name them. I did.  They didn't play for Moran after the sacking. I'm not claiming to speak on their behalf. Which bit do you not get?

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« Reply #58270 on: September 14, 2017, 02:58:56 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.

Mickey Moran is very entitled to not manage Glen. Has he not given enough to Glen, and Derry, over the years for people to grant him enough respect that he can live his life however he pleases? Or do you feel you're in a better position to pass judgement? At least Mickey walked away without a broken ankle and cuts to his face.

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« Reply #58271 on: September 14, 2017, 05:59:15 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.

Mickey Moran is very entitled to not manage Glen. Has he not given enough to Glen, and Derry, over the years for people to grant him enough respect that he can live his life however he pleases? Or do you feel you're in a better position to pass judgement? At least Mickey walked away without a broken ankle and cuts to his face.

You're correct, he's probably managed loads of Glen teams.

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« Reply #58272 on: September 14, 2017, 06:27:19 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.

Mickey Moran is very entitled to not manage Glen. Has he not given enough to Glen, and Derry, over the years for people to grant him enough respect that he can live his life however he pleases? Or do you feel you're in a better position to pass judgement? At least Mickey walked away without a broken ankle and cuts to his face.

You're correct, he's probably managed loads of Glen teams.

Loads Lenny.... let's break that down shall we? When the manager went on holidays for two weeks in the late eighties, Mickey and Seamus heffron stepped in as joint player managers for that period. Maybe 6 or 7 years ago he was part of a management quartet that included his son and two cousins.then, as mentioned previously, he was part of a 6 or 7 man management team that stepped in for the final 3 to 4 games of the season. That was 5 years ago. He's never actually put his name forward at the start of the year to manage our seniors.

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« Reply #58273 on: September 14, 2017, 06:34:26 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.

Mickey Moran is very entitled to not manage Glen. Has he not given enough to Glen, and Derry, over the years for people to grant him enough respect that he can live his life however he pleases? Or do you feel you're in a better position to pass judgement? At least Mickey walked away without a broken ankle and cuts to his face.

Or maybe green man, he claimed live on rte radio that his brother was in the Wooly face club.

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« Reply #58274 on: September 14, 2017, 07:52:44 PM »
Man lads day buck, make up; youse are ruining the GAA in the county. The city is laughing at you.