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The Ashers owners are evangelical

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/24/born-again-christian-ashers-bakery-lose-court-appeal-in-gay-cake-row
A bakery in Northern Ireland owned by evangelical Christians has lost an appeal to overturn a conviction that found it guilty of discrimination for refusing to bake a pro-gay-marriage themed cake."Speaking before going into the appeal court on Monday morning, Daniel McArthur had said: "This has never been about the customer. It has been about a message promoting a cause that contradicts the Bible."

Evangelicals take a literal view of the Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
"Biblicism is reverence for the Bible and a high regard for biblical authority. All Evangelicals believe in biblical inspiration, though they disagree over how this inspiration should be defined. Many Evangelicals believe in biblical inerrancy, while other Evangelicals believe in biblical infallibility"

It is not the same as RTE Guide readers who like Aonghus MacGrianna and think he deserves the same as everyone else.

Evangelicals vs gay rights activists is 2 immovable objects
Evangelicals think differently

Would Ashers provide a cake with confession or the Virgin mary in icing? Probably not. But why would a catholic wind them up ?

What are the criteria?

noise

I only know the name of one bakery in Belfast...

Easy

Women are different. If you were capable of getting pregnant you'd be different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpcJCRN9SfU

Carlos Alberto captain of the glorious 1970 Brazil WC winners and scorer of one of the greatest team goals in WC history

what a cracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5HbmeNKino

I think I'll buy the book but recovery is very hard. It's a journey rather than an event. I was just looking at the twitter accounts of McCarron and Niall McNamee. McNamee has really turned things around and you can sense a real positivity in his tweets, the stuff he gets involved in. He comes across as a very positive force. And he doesn't wallow in victimhood or hide behind labels. He just gets on with it. That is the impression anyway .

McCarron has less of that positive energy visible. Hopefully he can stay clean and make his way to a better place. 

[You dont have to be a religious fundi to find the Grindr way of life sad.]

I know in the US evangelical protestants are more resistant to accepting the gay agenda than other people.  Nordie Prods are related to the evangelical's since  a lot of evangelicals have Ulster roots. The GOP spent years flogging guns god and gays to people. The born again protestants take a literal view of the Bible. And there were no RTE Guide interviews with gay TV personalities in the Bible.

Catholics don't take the Bible as seriously . Sin is nobody else's business.

I would have a lot of sympathy for Ashers. You dont have to be a religious fundi to find the Grindr way of life sad.
The cake story is very political. Look at these backward prods in this provincial kip . The gay lobby is high profile and very organised . I would be interested in seeing support for Ashers amongst Brexit voters.


And I do like Felix the House cat's version of "I want to be a lesbian"

The "Grindr" way of life? I'm assuming that you're making the point that you think all gays are promiscuous? When they were going to get a cake promoting marriage? Which is an institution with monogamy as its core principle?

I notice a lot of people's "liberalism" doesn't extend as far as their ignorance.

I'm not . Gay people can be as conventional as everyone else.
But grindr culture has its own conventions. Women have different wiring than men so finding them ready and gagging within 50 metres takes more work, typically.   

There are still aspect of gay culture that certain people don't like. A lot of older people don't like the idea of young women as walking orifices either. It's never going to to be possible to get everyone to agree on sexuality. 
The whole area of porn is a mess. 

The core principles of marriage are social respectability and property regulation.
People are entitled to do what they want in private. But it is hard to get certain Protestant groups to accept the gay agenda. 

Northern nationalism has to a degree pulled the ladder up as it has become more affluent. Where both SF and The SDLP have failed is in presenting a cogent argument to the nationalist people as to what a UI will look like and how it will affect them in terms of health, jobs, benefits etc... Only then can they hope to tackle Unionism. Which judging by the actions of the DUP and UUP is not going to be easy, as they can't even embrace equality within a UK setting. Eastwoods love in with the UUP at the weekend is a colossal error of judgement.

Gibraltar is looking at staying in the Single market. That is massive
England is in serious trouble. A lot of assumptions may have to be revised.

Stephen Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuuObGsB0No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZHVmSuBJM

Who would you rate ?

Obviously its a complicated issue and could set some difficult precedents but ultimately I think the cake shop owner ought to have their religious views respected even if I don't personally agree with them. Plenty of other religious views are accommodated by businesses across Europe despite the questionable moral ethics of some of their practices. In this instance this is the least incendiary case I can think of and yet look at the storm its creating, and this families livelihood could be in jeopardy over it.

I've spoken to some gay lads who've told me they find it all embarrassing. In their words "Its just a bloody cake, can't they just go somewhere else, there is plenty of other places". But then they weren't that keen on gay marriage or modern gay activism in general.

Maith thu

It is very complicated

Execurive order, in a swing state during an election year....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it a frickin duck

"Never before have any of the prior 71 Virginia Governors issued a clemency order of any kind — including pardons, reprieves, commutations, and restoration orders — to a class of unnamed felons without regard for the nature of the crimes or any other individual circumstances relevant to the request," Chief Justice Donald W. Lemons wrote for the majority. "To be sure, no Governor of this Commonwealth, until now, has even suggested that such a power exists."

Quite, but how is that election stealing or rigging?

Are most felons former Democrats in Virginia?

I think if you have to ask that question you already know the answer

http://www.nbc29.com/story/32865055/va-felons-with-restored-rights-likely-to-live-amongst-democrats

Whitey GOP gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement is fraud. The whole prison system is fraud. There were 2m prisoners in 1980. By 2007 there were 7m. And they all count as felons. Bullshit.

I know in the US evangelical protestants are more resistant to accepting the gay agenda than other people.  Nordie Prods are related to the evangelical's since  a lot of evangelicals have Ulster roots. The GOP spent years flogging guns god and gays to people. The born again protestants take a literal view of the Bible. And there were no RTE Guide interviews with gay TV personalities in the Bible.

Catholics don't take the Bible as seriously . Sin is nobody else's business.

I would have a lot of sympathy for Ashers. You dont have to be a religious fundi to find the Grindr way of life sad.
The cake story is very political. Look at these backward prods in this provincial kip . The gay lobby is high profile and very organised . I would be interested in seeing support for Ashers amongst Brexit voters.


And I do like Felix the House cat's version of "I want to be a lesbian"

If the Walloon govt can hold the non member Canadians to ransom, how is it you see Brexit negotiations actually completing?

All Eu negotiations complete and all members approve the deal?

Maybe circa 2030.
At that point with the banks gone and 10% Corp tax, England GDP  will be about the same size as Hong Kong (the irony) Scotland will be independent and remain within EU, Wales will be hosed. The unionists in the wee north will have seen the writing on the wall as the US multinationals and banks move to the only English speaking country in Europe. Donegal and Sligo have by now become service centers for Dublin Cork and Galway with actual economies.
Learning the lesson from last time the Celtic tiger doesn't blow up. Comminity focussed social projects in Belfast are booming, funded by the GAA. The work force in the north want paid in Euro.  EU creates a new United Kingdom of Ireland and Northern Ireland. UKIP votes will all move to Spain and get their costa Del citizenship and wonder why the Spanish don't like them.

The Euros may want to shaft the UK and get it out ASAP. Pour encourager les autres. there is no trade Shangri La.
Brexit is so stupid. It is a belief system only vaguely connected to reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7H0ooV_o8

Everybody needs a bosom for a pillow,
Everybody needs a bosom

Except for gay customers, obviously