Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

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you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

If Div 1 is their level why were they hammered in most games? Why couldn't they win out Div 2? Why couldn't they win Junior championship? Why give more weight to league when formatting championship?

I really couldn't give a shit answering these stupid questions. Like I said, if some want to change the formats and give more weight to completely different competitions, then go ahead if it stops them going on like auld grannies with pot sticks up their holes.

But I'll take issue with implying they was some cheating going on with some gran plan taking years in the making. Get a life. 

[general_lee]

I think it's fair to say that Arva are a middling to strong intermediate team that were (clearly) too strong for Junior and aren't a mile off being senior. It has been mildly enjoyable winding the Cavan men up and I look forward to seeing which Division 1 club wins Cavan JFC 2024 

[intheknowhow]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

If Div 1 is their level why were they hammered in most games? Why couldn't they win out Div 2? Why couldn't they win Junior championship? Why give more weight to league when formatting championship?

I really couldn't give a shit answering these stupid questions. Like I said, if some want to change the formats and give more weight to completely different competitions, then go ahead if it stops them going on like auld grannies with pot sticks up their holes.

But I'll take issue with implying they was some cheating going on with some gran plan taking years in the making. Get a life. 

You got up on the wrong side...

Well they are still div 1 this year so must be their level.

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What a shocker!!! So you're telling me any team than wins out a competition are too good for that level and might actually be middling next level up? This is a lot to take in.

[SouthOfThe Bann]

I think it's fair to say that Arva are a middling to strong intermediate team that were (clearly) too strong for Junior and aren't a mile off being senior. It has been mildly enjoyable winding the Cavan men up and I look forward to seeing which Division 1 club wins Cavan JFC 2024 

The funny thing about that is. The raging hot favourites for Cavan Junior this year are also a Division 1 team haha. That team being Knockbride they won the Ulster Junior League in 2023.

However they have been stuck in junior for about 12 years or more now and haven't been able to win a big game when it comes to the heat of championship.

They got promoted from Division 2 last year and they have no counties players either which helps when it comes to the diluted league competition and will bode well for them in division 1 next year provided they don't have any players going travellig etc.

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you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

If Div 1 is their level why were they hammered in most games? Why couldn't they win out Div 2? Why couldn't they win Junior championship? Why give more weight to league when formatting championship?

I really couldn't give a shit answering these stupid questions. Like I said, if some want to change the formats and give more weight to completely different competitions, then go ahead if it stops them going on like auld grannies with pot sticks up their holes.

But I'll take issue with implying they was some cheating going on with some gran plan taking years in the making. Get a life. 

You got up on the wrong side...

Well they are still div 1 this year so must be their level.

Great logic. Finish rock bottom in one competition that's your level. Fail to win another you're 2 levels too low.

[intheknowhow]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

If that is there level how did they rise to div 1?

If Div 1 is their level why were they hammered in most games? Why couldn't they win out Div 2? Why couldn't they win Junior championship? Why give more weight to league when formatting championship?

I really couldn't give a shit answering these stupid questions. Like I said, if some want to change the formats and give more weight to completely different competitions, then go ahead if it stops them going on like auld grannies with pot sticks up their holes.

But I'll take issue with implying they was some cheating going on with some gran plan taking years in the making. Get a life. 

You got up on the wrong side...

Well they are still div 1 this year so must be their level.

Great logic. Finish rock bottom in one competition that's your level. Fail to win another you're 2 levels too low.

They maintained div 1 status so that is their level. Pretty simple, even you Cavan folk could work that out.

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This is a championship thread. There's some too simple on here think it's a league thread.

[Ethan Tremblay]

I mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 

[intheknowhow]

I mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 

The only people who believe it's normal are Cavan people.

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I mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 

Just one caveat there though. By any league metric Arva are a div 2 side. It was a championship style one game knockout kept them there when they were completely adrift of everyone. So you absolutely cannot call them a senior side. That is completely disingenuous.

[Ethan Tremblay]

I mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 

Just one caveat there though. By any league metric Arva are a div 2 side. It was a championship style one game knockout kept them there when they were completely adrift of everyone. So you absolutely cannot call them a senior side. That is completely disingenuous.

Elaborate?

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I mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 

Just one caveat there though. By any league metric Arva are a div 2 side. It was a championship style one game knockout kept them there when they were completely adrift of everyone. So you absolutely cannot call them a senior side. That is completely disingenuous.

Elaborate?

Finished rock bottom of league. In any league scenario this should mean relegation.

[Milltown Row2]

you could stop the whole argument about intermediate and junior championships by scrapping them and  just giving the intermediate and junior  champions a place in the county's  senior championships so there is a pathway for them to be provincial or all ireland champions.

Intermediate champions already get a place (if they want it) in the counties senior championship I'd imagine in most counties

The competition serves up a great carrot, to win a final at Croke park with your teammates

People growing up as kids playing soccer in the streets, wanted to score the winner in the FA Cup final at Wembley. It the same thing now in GAA at all levels, scoring the winner at Croke park with your club, parish town or City

No it's not, junior and intermediate aren't fit for purpose

Tell that to Cullyhanna and Arva...

You're not within a country mile of the point

Its fit for purpose with one simple rule, no div 1 teams in intermediate or Junior for that matter and only div 3 or 4 teams can play Junior ..

Whatever way a county runs off its championship is up to them, but no team can enter the all Ireland series based on those simple enough rules, they must nominate a team, even Jimmy McGuinness could understand that set up!

That will encourage teams to actually play at their level ad not 'below'

Cork and Dublin could really mix it up with their A and B championships though, but to be fair to them as a county they haven't, Kerry are just ruining it

If people still have their knickers in a twist over the whole Arva thing then go get the rules changed for the sake of changing them, whatever. They have little to be at.

But that statement is a load of nonsense. Arva's priority would always have been championship. Winning the Junior championship was the only "encouragement" they'd ever have had. Took them a few years because that was their level, they couldn't rise "above" it. Your statement is implying there was something untoward going on, that they somehow designed this situation for unfair advantage. Other posters have implied this on here too. Need a serious bit of cop on.

There's no cop on required. Playing div 1 and playing junior championship is not the norm up and down the country.

All I'm saying is any county can run their own championship whatever way they feel works for them. But, a div 1 league team shouldn't be playing in the provincial championship and beyond. A nominated div 3-4 team that's reached further than a div 2 team and Div 1 team.. 

There's no beef with Cavan or Avra, they've done nowt wrong

[Armagh18]

I mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 

Just one caveat there though. By any league metric Arva are a div 2 side. It was a championship style one game knockout kept them there when they were completely adrift of everyone. So you absolutely cannot call them a senior side. That is completely disingenuous.

Elaborate?

Finished rock bottom of league. In any league scenario this should mean relegation.

But they were a (albeit struggling) division 1 team in 2023 and played junior championship.