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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #180 on: August 18, 2017, 10:29:10 PM »
These Nazi All-Ireland medals should be handed back in and the design changed forthwith.... it would cause consternation in Kerry as they might have to change their currency.

What are you talking about

That a Celtic Cross is probably the most common symbol of the modern far right in Europe.
Being much more widespread and in those places more exclusive to those "causes" than the confederate flag.

Can you explain the Celtic Cross controversy?

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #181 on: August 18, 2017, 10:31:39 PM »
Isn't the red hand the symbol of the O'Neills who led the Irish Rebellion of 1641?

Nope, goes way back beyond that particular rebellion (in origin), but well adopted by then, true.

Was it adopted by the confederacy? dont think so? Besides it could be argued the confederacy had more in common with loyalist considering their pledge of loyalty to the English crown and interest in self governance. Not to mention their defeat to the first Republicans in Ireland?  :P
Also what were were the O'Neills interested in? Certainly prior to this it was about maintaining control of their fifedom in Ulster and it would be safe to assume that they seen the confedercy as a vessel to regaining that.

This is all well besides the point anyway as we are talking about ridding the association from symbols with prominent associations of present day far right groups. Of which the Red Hand and especially the Celtic Cross are two of the most conspicuous within the association

I suppose if you're talking about controversial links, then the IRA leaders thing is of similar controversy to Confederates flag. The Protestants/Loyalists do have a point when raising that issue.

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #182 on: August 18, 2017, 10:36:42 PM »
I suppose if you're talking about controversial links, then the IRA leaders thing is of similar controversy to Confederates flag. The Protestants/Loyalists do have a point when raising that issue.

If I had my way there'd be a rule saying you can't name a club after someone who was notable for their involvement in political violence within the last 70 years. So you could still call your club Sarsfield's but not Bobby Sands'.

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #183 on: August 18, 2017, 10:44:15 PM »
A lot of symbols have a mixed or confused history. This allows current users to point to the positive history.

Not sure what the positive history of the confederate flag is that Cork fans would point to is?

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #184 on: August 18, 2017, 10:56:06 PM »
I suppose if you're talking about controversial links, then the IRA leaders thing is of similar controversy to Confederates flag. The Protestants/Loyalists do have a point when raising that issue.

If I had my way there'd be a rule saying you can't name a club after someone who was notable for their involvement in political violence within the last 70 years. So you could still call your club Sarsfield's but not Bobby Sands'.
Is that a rolling 70 years or particularly pre-1947?

What is it about life after 1947?

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Joe Cahill gets in for his pre-1947 stuff as long as nobody brings up any of the shite after that.
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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #185 on: August 18, 2017, 10:58:14 PM »
These Nazi All-Ireland medals should be handed back in and the design changed forthwith.... it would cause consternation in Kerry as they might have to change their currency.

What are you talking about

That a Celtic Cross is probably the most common symbol of the modern far right in Europe.
Being much more widespread and in those places more exclusive to those "causes" than the confederate flag.

Can you explain the Celtic Cross controversy?

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #186 on: August 18, 2017, 11:00:13 PM »
A bit depressing seeing the ignorance of some on this thread. The confederate flag is something I'd equate with a swastika or KKK hood/costume. I find it difficult to believe most people would not understand the deeply racist connotations of such a flag. And surely someone near the clown(s) who had this flag would have known and had the sense to tell them to take it down. I know i would if I were there. I'd be mortified if I were from Cork. It's not cool and it's not funny. The defence of it on this thread is sickening and very depressing to be honest.

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #187 on: Today at 12:07:33 AM »
A lot of symbols have a mixed or confused history. This allows current users to point to the positive history.

Not sure what the positive history of the confederate flag is that Cork fans would point to is?

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #188 on: Today at 01:16:45 AM »
From today's Irish Times letters page:

Sir, – If Cork fans want to fly the Confederate battle flag, that is their choice. If, as some may claim, it is a harmless flag, in the context, and is only used for its colours, well, there is another flag to hand that they may use that contains the same red, white and blue, ie the British flag.

No takers? I didn’t think so, given the reputation of the Tans in Cork. Well, now they know what “offensive” means. – Yours, etc,

GEARÓID Ó LOINGSIGH,
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Bogotá,
Colombia.

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #189 on: Today at 01:18:20 AM »
I suppose if you're talking about controversial links, then the IRA leaders thing is of similar controversy to Confederates flag. The Protestants/Loyalists do have a point when raising that issue.

If I had my way there'd be a rule saying you can't name a club after someone who was notable for their involvement in political violence within the last 70 years. So you could still call your club Sarsfield's but not Bobby Sands'.
Is that a rolling 70 years or particularly pre-1947?



A rolling 70 years. Enough time for the dust to settle. Fewer people around to still be bitter enough to make a big deal about it. That sort of thing.

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #190 on: Today at 04:06:41 AM »
I suppose if you're talking about controversial links, then the IRA leaders thing is of similar controversy to Confederates flag. The Protestants/Loyalists do have a point when raising that issue.

If I had my way there'd be a rule saying you can't name a club after someone who was notable for their involvement in political violence within the last 70 years. So you could still call your club Sarsfield's but not Bobby Sands'.
Is that a rolling 70 years or particularly pre-1947?



A rolling 70 years. Enough time for the dust to settle. Fewer people around to still be bitter enough to make a big deal about it. That sort of thing.

Would these rules not leave us free to use the Confederate battle flag tho?
Does this include all political violence? inc sovereign armed forces?
You would be eligible to get San Jose Hitlers GFC goin then too wha?

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Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« Reply #191 on: Today at 04:29:08 AM »
From today's Irish Times letters page:

Sir, – If Cork fans want to fly the Confederate battle flag, that is their choice. If, as some may claim, it is a harmless flag, in the context, and is only used for its colours, well, there is another flag to hand that they may use that contains the same red, white and blue, ie the British flag.

No takers? I didn’t think so, given the reputation of the Tans in Cork. Well, now they know what “offensive” means. – Yours, etc,

GEARÓID Ó LOINGSIGH,
Calle,
Bogotá,
Colombia.

Brilliant