Monaghan with the experience, the momentum and home advantage, Kerry with youth fighting for survival. Who wins and how might it play out, discuss..
Owen Duffy should be fresh for the game.
Anyone else think too much was made of Kerry playing a sweeper and the impact it had?
Galway were forced to go long with a lot of kickouts anyway and its very difficult for Kerry to force the long kickout everytime as there's no way they could have left 3 defenders in their own half picking up Burke, Comer & Walsh. We all saw what happened the first time Shane Walsh got any space in injury time.
We all know how Monaghan will set up, kickouts going to be key for Kerry and fully expect Maher to be brought back in for Jack Barry. Beggan is a certainly a far more polished kicker of the ball than Shane Murphy is. Morley will be a huge loss if he's not fit as Kerry desperately need to add a physical element to that half back line, whats happened to Gavin Crowley who plaed so well against Mayo in the league? You'd think Donaghy wouldn't start given he played no part last weekend but its Fitzmaurice and he's not shy on making strange decisions.
Surely Kerry will have a reaction and will come out really fired up but I'm not sure its going to be enough if Monaghan play well.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2018, 02:35:11 PM
Anyone else think too much was made of Kerry playing a sweeper and the impact it had?
Galway were forced to go long with a lot of kickouts anyway and its very difficult for Kerry to force the long kickout everytime as there's no way they could have left 3 defenders in their own half picking up Burke, Comer & Walsh. We all saw what happened the first time Shane Walsh got any space in injury time.
We all know how Monaghan will set up, kickouts going to be key for Kerry and fully expect Maher to be brought back in for Jack Barry. Beggan is a certainly a far more polished kicker of the ball than Shane Murphy is. Morley will be a huge loss if he's not fit as Kerry desperately need to add a physical element to that half back line, whats happened to Gavin Crowley who plaed so well against Mayo in the league? You'd think Donaghy wouldn't start given he played no part last weekend but its Fitzmaurice and he's not shy on making strange decisions.
Surely Kerry will have a reaction and will come out really fired up but I'm not sure its going to be enough if Monaghan play well.
Kerry seemed to setup to counteract Galway's inside forward line, especially Comer - thankfully for us, we have a few very capable forwards and only for some extremely poor shooting (conditions?) we should have been 4 - 5 pts up at HT. The Kerry setup was in stark contrast to what they did v Clare & Cork - why change if they were confident in their young players ability? Looks like the management team though otherwise for this one.
Also, I see many of the Kerry pundits in the printed media calling for the inclusion of Donaghy this weekend coming and lamenting his not appearance last Sun. Donaghy is what age, 35? If's he's deemed to be the answer at this stage, Kerry are in real trouble.
Galway really showed the way for Monaghan to go at Kerry and lukily for Monaghan it's pretty much how they play anyway. Monaghan have dogs of war all over the place and it really isn't going to be a game for young (albeit talented) players in their first year. If it rains I really do see Kerry getting beat here. If the sun is on their backs then their better players should be able to come through. Monaghan need McCarron to hit that league form here again to take the heat off McManus.
Should be a dinger of a game.
And as for Clones: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trips-to-clones-can-be-brutal-but-i-cannot-wait-to-go-back-3gdxzlmcr (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trips-to-clones-can-be-brutal-but-i-cannot-wait-to-go-back-3gdxzlmcr)
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 18, 2018, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2018, 02:35:11 PM
Anyone else think too much was made of Kerry playing a sweeper and the impact it had?
Galway were forced to go long with a lot of kickouts anyway and its very difficult for Kerry to force the long kickout everytime as there's no way they could have left 3 defenders in their own half picking up Burke, Comer & Walsh. We all saw what happened the first time Shane Walsh got any space in injury time.
We all know how Monaghan will set up, kickouts going to be key for Kerry and fully expect Maher to be brought back in for Jack Barry. Beggan is a certainly a far more polished kicker of the ball than Shane Murphy is. Morley will be a huge loss if he's not fit as Kerry desperately need to add a physical element to that half back line, whats happened to Gavin Crowley who plaed so well against Mayo in the league? You'd think Donaghy wouldn't start given he played no part last weekend but its Fitzmaurice and he's not shy on making strange decisions.
Surely Kerry will have a reaction and will come out really fired up but I'm not sure its going to be enough if Monaghan play well.
Kerry seemed to setup to counteract Galway's inside forward line, especially Comer - thankfully for us, we have a few very capable forwards and only for some extremely poor shooting (conditions?) we should have been 4 - 5 pts up at HT. The Kerry setup was in stark contrast to what they did v Clare & Cork - why change if they were confident in their young players ability? Looks like the management team though otherwise for this one.
Also, I see many of the Kerry pundits in the printed media calling for the inclusion of Donaghy this weekend coming and lamenting his not appearance last Sun. Donaghy is what age, 35? If's he's deemed to be the answer at this stage, Kerry are in real trouble.
It was very odd they didn't use him at all considering he'd offer something totally different.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 19, 2018, 04:08:41 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 18, 2018, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2018, 02:35:11 PM
Anyone else think too much was made of Kerry playing a sweeper and the impact it had?
Galway were forced to go long with a lot of kickouts anyway and its very difficult for Kerry to force the long kickout everytime as there's no way they could have left 3 defenders in their own half picking up Burke, Comer & Walsh. We all saw what happened the first time Shane Walsh got any space in injury time.
We all know how Monaghan will set up, kickouts going to be key for Kerry and fully expect Maher to be brought back in for Jack Barry. Beggan is a certainly a far more polished kicker of the ball than Shane Murphy is. Morley will be a huge loss if he's not fit as Kerry desperately need to add a physical element to that half back line, whats happened to Gavin Crowley who plaed so well against Mayo in the league? You'd think Donaghy wouldn't start given he played no part last weekend but its Fitzmaurice and he's not shy on making strange decisions.
Surely Kerry will have a reaction and will come out really fired up but I'm not sure its going to be enough if Monaghan play well.
Kerry seemed to setup to counteract Galway's inside forward line, especially Comer - thankfully for us, we have a few very capable forwards and only for some extremely poor shooting (conditions?) we should have been 4 - 5 pts up at HT. The Kerry setup was in stark contrast to what they did v Clare & Cork - why change if they were confident in their young players ability? Looks like the management team though otherwise for this one.
Also, I see many of the Kerry pundits in the printed media calling for the inclusion of Donaghy this weekend coming and lamenting his not appearance last Sun. Donaghy is what age, 35? If's he's deemed to be the answer at this stage, Kerry are in real trouble.
It was very odd they didn't use him at all considering he'd offer something totally different.
Yeah, I was surprised that he wasn't thrown in last Sun also, probably at midfield where they were being cleaned out in the second half. He isn't the answer though as being portrayed by some of his former teammates in the media!
Kerry, as a county, didn't sign up for the super 8s for a do or die battle v monaghan away in clones! Going to be v tough for Kerry but surely there is a sting in their tail after Galway?
Quote from: Jayop on July 18, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
Galway really showed the way for Monaghan to go at Kerry and lukily for Monaghan it's pretty much how they play anyway. Monaghan have dogs of war all over the place and it really isn't going to be a game for young (albeit talented) players in their first year. If it rains I really do see Kerry getting beat here. If the sun is on their backs then their better players should be able to come through. Monaghan need McCarron to hit that league form here again to take the heat off McManus.
Should be a dinger of a game.
I think mccarron has it still to prove to me. I always get the impression he's a league footballer
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 19, 2018, 07:35:34 PM
Kerry, as a county, didn't sign up for the super 8s for a do or die battle v monaghan away in clones! Going to be v tough for Kerry but surely there is a sting in their tail after Galway?
And a lot of them haven't even met Dessie Mone yet.
A Kerry of old would certainly have a sting in their tail but when talk of the veteran Donaghy option being the the trump card, that doesn't augur too well for the merits of the present bunch. Exciting times for Monaghan GAA, to host such a championship stage encounter and be in with a fighting chance against strong favourites Kerry.
As much as I'd like to be able to gloat in the glow of a Kerry team eliminated two weeks before the AIQFs being over (these were the lads who were going to put it up to Dublin, remember), a Kerry victory is pretty likely here.
Monaghan should win this one for Nudie and the lads from the 80s
https://youtu.be/jGL1S1LnaKo
I expect a backlash from Kerry here.
The three O'se's have been doing Fitzmaurices team talk all week long for him in the media by labelling the players leaderless and gutless and I'd expect a big reaction. Kerry are not as poor as they showed last week and will have far too much firepower up front for Monaghan to handle.
Kerry team for Sunday:
Shane Murphy
Ronan Shanahan
Mark Griffin
Tom O'Sullivan
Paul Murphy
Peter Crowley
Gavin White
David Moran
Jack Barry
Kevin McCarthy
Sean O'Shea
Steven O'Brien
David Clifford
Paul Geaney
James O'Donoghue
I hope leaderless and gutless also turn up.
I expect to win by 9/10 points and rest bodies for Kildare game as will be involved in semi final the following week. Donaghy, Maher and Morley will start for kerry tomorrow
With a bit of belief Moaghan can win this... its all it takes
Discipline will be vital in this, think home advantage could swing it for Monaghan. Kerry after an average league and a championship to date where there only test was a defeat, could find it hard to turn it on all of a sudden.
Mon the Oriel
Hmm, Colin Walshe to start, I hope he's fit enough, if so that's good news.
donaghy starting - brave call
I guess Vinny will be all over him, Kieran is 35 years old but Vinny is ageless.
Throw it in quick!
Great start for Monaghan. A poor Kerry defence shown up again.
they'd want to start thinking about marking mcmanus
Kerry all at sea at the back. Looks like pundits read far too much into their AI pedigree. Early doors obviously.
Monaghan doing well, but their final kick is not sufficient.
Jesus Monaghan. Stick them over ffs.
Monaghan leaving scores behind them.
Need to settle down.
Refs are fairly tanned this year.
Who's co-commentator?
Kevin Cassidy
Kerry are brutal in defence.
Super 8's finally come alive today. Two serious games. So far anyway.
What the hell is wrong with Geaney?
Usually very accurate.
Beggan has a foot like a traction engine.
Perfect tackle blown up for a free. Monaghan very impressive.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 22, 2018, 04:19:25 PM
Super 8's finally come alive today. Two serious games. So far anyway.
Came alive yesterday
You'd have to feel for the IC players too. Yesterday everything short of decapitation was fair game. Today even legitimate tackles are frees.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 22, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
Beggan has a foot like a traction engine.
To kick over the far 45 is incredible
Beggan's kick-outs are sublime.
Rifle of a boot.
Beggan is better than Cluxton now.
Mc manus can rip Kerry a new one..
Kerry's U20s keeping them in this game.
There's a real softness to this Kerry side.
Beggan again - some shooting
Fairly effortless from Beggan. Two steps back and bang.
Beggan a hero.
Beggan is a quality quality free taker
Ulster football alive and well.
f**k sake - another one from beggan
HT Monaghan 1-11 Kerry 0-10. Good half of football and Monaghan good value for that 4 point lead. Have to wonder where Kerry would be in this game if Clifford and O Shea was left to the U20s.
To be honest this is more enjoyable than the Galway game. Best Super 8 tie by a mile.
Hon Monaghan. Playing very well so far .
Another good half of football. Kerry don't look very organised and it's hard to see them winning from here. Hughes dived for that last free and refs probably need to be a bit more alert to dives in the middle of the field when Beggan is around as he has made non-scoring frees into scorable ones.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2018, 04:41:50 PM
To be honest this is more enjoyable than the Galway game. Best Super 8 tie by a mile.
Better spread of scoring from play in the first game but this is still pretty good.
An open game.
Happy enough with a 4 pt. lead despite the 4 or 5 missed good chances.
Afaics Donaghy won nothing but 2 very soft scorable frees, though I'd worry more if he was replaced at ht.
If Varadkar really wants to stop the Brits using our airspace he just needs to stick Rory Beggan up on Slieve Beagh with a load of footballs.
Quote from: Zulu on July 22, 2018, 04:43:40 PM
Another good half of football. Kerry don't look very organised and it's hard to see them winning from here. Hughes dived for that last free and refs probably need to be a bit more alert to dives in the middle of the field when Beggan is around as he has made non-scoring frees into scorable ones.
Haven't look organised for a few years now. At least today they managed 10 scores in one half when they only scored 11 all game v Galway.
Push on, Farneymen, and give them a good beating.
Is the answer to the half time quiz Suez Canal ::)
Hard to see a 'Femanagh' style comeback here from Kerry.....there being nuturalized and mutered and there dosn't seem to be a plan B or a change of gear in em
O Rourke texting in his phone when the ad break ended
'Bazooka Beggan'.
;D
Kerry midfield non existent for second week in a row.
Kerry have no midfield and have Mark Griffin at full back
Ger Canning is dreadful i'll have to watch this 2nd half with the sound down.
Monaghan easily the better side in that first half, only for Kerry's 2 young guns keeping them in the match.
Fitzmaurice probably has half an hour to save his job.
Age has caught up with Donaghy. Never the fastest way to but his mobility all gone!
Monaghan letting Kerry hang around in this game.
Black card??
Exactly the same thing was a red card in the first game
Quote from: Jayop on July 22, 2018, 05:01:40 PM
Exactly the same thing was a red card in the first game
Wasn't really.
If Drew Wylie's tackle there wasn't a black card then what's the point in having it?
Alot of hand passing here from Kerry ..
This Tom O'Sullivan lad should be playing in the forwards.
Canning can't hide his lovefest for Kerry
They score a point and then he utters
Kerry in complete control
Take Beggan off.
Monaghan need a score now.
Kerry on top now Monaghan need a score quickly to settle them. 46 mins gone Monaghan 1-11 Kerry 0-13
All Kerry best players are the young lads, kerry will bring in 5 or 6 more nxt year and build for a strong team for about 3yrs time
Game on now. This is really good stuff.
On to frig monaghan. Keep at them to the end.
Quote from: Zulu on July 22, 2018, 05:09:16 PM
Game on now. This is really good stuff.
Brilliant battle, fair play to both teams
This 1on 1 marking of McManus reminds me of Bellew on O'Neill yrs ago when Armagh never doubled up on him!
Monaghan look knackered
Kerry have been much improved this half.
Geaney off Star still on, Fitz must be on some good ganja.
Jack Barry very poor today
What's the odds on O'Donoghue scoring a goal here??
Taking off both Geaney and O'Shea is a big call.
Mon the Oriel
Jesus the Kerry management have lost the plot here.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 22, 2018, 05:17:55 PM
Taking off both Geaney and O'Shea is a big call.
Fitzmaurice makes some bizarre in game changes.
Ref will let Kerry back into this.
Jesus.
That move deserved a score.
Some unreal monaghan play there.
It's looking good for Monaghan they need to keep things simple now and Kerry will be beat.
Mon the Oriel
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 22, 2018, 05:17:55 PM
Taking off both Geaney and O'Shea is a big call.
Geaney anonymous, but O'Shea a very strange call
Kerry should been raining the ball down to Clifford all day not Donaghy
Quote from: JoG2 on July 22, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
What's the odds on O'Donoghue scoring a goal here??
Long.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2018, 05:15:26 PM
Geaney off Star still on, Fitz must be on some good ganja.
I'd say bad ganja, incredible that Donaghy is still on.
This stuff is the spirit of McGuigan v Pedroza.
How did Barry last 64 minutes . Bizarre
No foul there by Shanahan.
Monaghan are realistic AI contenders, they are the only side to have defeated Dublin all season.
Dessie Mone on, they'll send for Nudie Hughes next.
Quote from: spuds on July 22, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
No foul there by Shanahan.
Jesus, if that's an off the ball foul then we may as well give up.
So Galway v Monaghan all down to who can avoid Dublin with Tyrone or Donegal the likely opponent on the other side
It could be Plan B at the final whistle
The big unlikeable guy fouled there
Kerry getting hard done by here by ref.
Geaney on again WTF?
James O'Donoghue is like a tiger that has had his teeth pulled.
Unreal
OMFG!!
Ref blew early there with Kerry on the attack
Boys a dear.
Jaysus.
Those wides regretted now.
Amazing game, both teams deserve huge credit for that.
What a game, all to play for next weekend, Galway need to win as well.
Fair play to Kerry ..both teams . That was a great match
Some game!
That's probably Monaghan gone now, don't see them beating Galway away from home and Kildare have nothing to play for now.
Quote from: inthrough on July 22, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
What a game, all to play for next weekend, Galway need to win as well.
No they dont
Unbelievable Jeff. A real lucky draw for Kerry but credit to them for fighting to the finish.
Monaghan really blew that. Even after the goal how they didn't score from the next attack is mind boggling.
David Clifford = superstar.
Clifford some lad.
Fck that, swindled at the last gasp.
Galway still need a win to avoid Dublin in the semi, Monaghan need at least a draw,
No way in hell that shot should have been allowed in. Ridiculous angle, Beggan there and two lads on the line. Then to not be able to tap over the winner down the far end was unforgivable given the numbers and space they had.
Will be very hard for Monaghan too pick themselves up after that to go down and win in Salthill next week.
Galway and monaghan both know a draw suits them next week. Might check the odds on that.
Quote from: inthrough on July 22, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
What a game, all to play for next weekend, Galway need to win as well.
Kerry can't catch Galway so they are already through. Final match depends whether it's in 1st or 2nd spot.
Mone fucked it up at the end. ;D
Class game that. That was Monaghan's AI Final.
Put the farm on a draw next week
Monaghan will be kicking themselves for not winning that game they were 4 or 5 points the better team. Silly wides late on proved costly.
Donaghy
Said it a load of times on here....why the hell he didnt play last week i will never know
He was MOM v Galway in last years quarter final....was in for an Allstar untul sent off in Semi Final. He's danger personified
Fair play DC...lethal
Monaghan gone i think
Don't think either team fancy Dublin in a semi
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 22, 2018, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: inthrough on July 22, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
What a game, all to play for next weekend, Galway need to win as well.
Kerry can't catch Galway so they are already through. Final match depends whether it's in 1st or 2nd spot.
Unless Kevin Walsh rests a lot of players, which he could do, then Monaghan might have a chance.
Why did mone not go for the score himself at the end. Passed to player in a worse position. Could be very costly.
Quote from: Gold on July 22, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
Donaghy
Said it a load of times on here....why the hell he didnt play last week i will never know
He was MOM v Galway in last years quarter final....was in for an Allstar untul sent off in Semi Final. He's danger personified
Fair play DC...lethal
Monaghan gone i think
Yet if Kerry had lost a lot of people would have queried the wisdom of leaving him on the field so long!! Funny old game.
Donaghy is a plan B nothing more.
Quote from: Itchy on July 22, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
Why did mone not go for the score himself at the end. Passed to player in a worse position. Could be very costly.
Passed the buck.
Clifford kicked an absolute monster point to reduce the gap towards the end as well.
Serious temperament for a kid.
Quote from: hardstation on July 22, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
Monaghan very unlucky but far from gone. They've every chance of getting a result in Salthill. Galway & Monaghan are about the same level.
Ref kept Kerry in the championship there. Some of the frees in they got were a joke.
I thought he was looking a promotion from Pat McEneaney.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 22, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
Why did mone not go for the score himself at the end. Passed to player in a worse position. Could be very costly.
Passed the buck.
I let such a roar out, the wife came runnin down the stairs.
Jesus why did you not put it over the bar and the guy who had it before him, punch the ffinn thing over
Quote from: Jayop on July 22, 2018, 05:41:48 PM
Galway and monaghan both know a draw suits them next week. Might check the odds on that.
Draw doesn't suit Monaghan as they'd have to play Dublin. It's two weeks time so I think all teams will be going for it.
Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
RTE commentry sure put the scud on on Monaghan. Announcing "Monaghan's first semi since 1988" with 3 mins left to play.
Ref never give Donaghy a very obvious free with 4 in it, ref not to blame for Monaghan not winning this one!
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
???
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
Didn't get one today
Quote from: hardstation on July 22, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
Monaghan very unlucky but far from gone. They've every chance of getting a result in Salthill. Galway & Monaghan are about the same level.
Ref kept Kerry in the championship there. Some of the frees in they got were a joke.
Some of the Monaghan were equally dubious. Kerry lucky but Monaghan shouldn't be looking at anyone but themselves. All to play for though.
Quote from: Zulu on July 22, 2018, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 22, 2018, 05:41:48 PM
Galway and monaghan both know a draw suits them next week. Might check the odds on that.
Draw doesn't suit Monaghan as they'd have to play Dublin. It's two weeks time so I think all teams will be going for it.
I'm fairly sure Monaghan would bite your hand off for that prospect at the minute.
Monaghan would have been going to Galway looking to win anyway.
The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
Didn't get one today
Did he not set it up?
What do you tink of dat, Joe Brolly ?
The 2013 version of James O'Donoghue would have won that game for Kerry at the death.
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
Didn't get one today
Did he not set it up?
What do you tink of dat, Joe Brolly ?
And he done very well but that isn't scoring
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 05:53:48 PM
Monaghan would have been going to Galway looking to win anyway.
Monaghan looking to win regardless, now with added vigour and belief after this game
Hard luck to Monaghan, it will probably be wishful thinking for Kildare to be able to do ye a favour down in Killarney but hopefully they can get at least a point in Salthill.
they've proved they can compete at the top level. Now they are well able to finish the job off in Salthill
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2018, 06:03:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 22, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
Didn't get one today
Did he not set it up?
What do you tink of dat, Joe Brolly ?
And he done very well but that isn't scoring
Says a lot that Kerry are relying on him.
He reminds me of El Cid at this stage
El Cid was a famous soldier in Spain and the Muslims were afraid of him. The legend is that after his death he was strapped onto a horse that went into battle and the sight of him on the horse freaked out the enemy who lost.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 22, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 22, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
1 - dublin roscommon. The other 3 all have something to play for. Monaghan need a draw, kerry need a win, tyrone need a draw, donegal need a win
Quote from: straightred on July 22, 2018, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 22, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
1 - dublin roscommon. The other 3 all have something to play for. Monaghan need a draw, kerry need a win, tyrone need a draw, donegal need a win
Kildare will have absolutely no motivation to play this match, they are already out of the championship. Very unfair on counties to have to still play a match knowing it means nothing.
Quote from: straightred on July 22, 2018, 06:12:51 PM
they've proved they can compete at the top level. Now they are well able to finish the job off in Salthill
They've proved that they can play well in Clones.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: straightred on July 22, 2018, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 22, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 05:56:28 PM
The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
1 - dublin roscommon. The other 3 all have something to play for. Monaghan need a draw, kerry need a win, tyrone need a draw, donegal need a win
Kildare will have absolutely no motivation to play this match, they are already out of the championship. Very unfair on counties to have to still play a match knowing it means nothing.
Why? Happens in the league and happens in other sports. Monaghan beat Dublin in Croke Park in the league this year when it didn't matter and I'd say every Monaghan person enjoyed it.
If Kildare can't look forward to knocking Kerry out of the championship in Killarney then that's their problem.
No matter how good the new structure is, there was always going to be a good old moan. The prospect of "dead rubbers" ensured that. Had it not been the dead rubbers it'd have been something else. Altogether now............MOAN!!!!!
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they've proved they can compete at the top level. Now they are well able to finish the job off in Salthill
They've proved that they can play well in Clones.
you again with your regular bit of monaghan bashing.
They are a credit to their county. They proved last week they could win in Croke park but you know that didn't you. They've shown what can be done with limited resources and good structures. Couldn't see it through today but they have another chance. I really hope they take it because they fully deserve it.
Just ignore that prck
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Donaghy is an awful hoor for scoring vital goals
Didn't get one today
Did he not set it up?
What do you tink of dat, Joe Brolly ?
And he done very well but that isn't scoring
Says a lot that Kerry are relying on him.
He reminds me of El Cid at this stage
El Cid was a famous soldier in Spain and the Muslims were afraid of him. The legend is that after his death he was strapped onto a horse that went into battle and the sight of him on the horse freaked out the enemy who lost.
But they are not relying on him. It was the younger players who stood up today and breaking a high ball down doesn't change that. It wasn't even a good scoring chance but Clifford made something out of very little.
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
It's a very good format and we only have one dead rubber.
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
It's a very good format and we only have one dead rubber.
Kerry Kildare is a dead Rubber as much as Dublin Roscommon is! Explain the difference?
How is Kerry vs. Kildare a dead rubber?
Kerry lost to Galway and should have lost today.
If Kildare decide to go out in a blaze of glory they will give Kerry their fill of it.
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
It's a very good format and we only have one dead rubber.
Kerry Kildare is a dead Rubber as much as Dublin Roscommon is! Explain the difference?
Roscommon are out no matter the result. Dublin are top no matter the result. Total dead rubber
Kerry need to win to have a chance of making the semi's - that's not dead in my eyes
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
It's a very good format and we only have one dead rubber.
Kerry Kildare is a dead Rubber as much as Dublin Roscommon is! Explain the difference?
Roscommon are out no matter the result. Dublin are top no matter the result. Total dead rubber
Kerry need to win to have a chance of making the semi's - that's not dead in my eyes
There you go From the Bunker, explained as well as it could be. If Kerry lose they are out and even a win won't guarantee them a semi final spot so even score difference is important.
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
It's a very good format and we only have one dead rubber.
Kerry Kildare is a dead Rubber as much as Dublin Roscommon is! Explain the difference?
Roscommon are out no matter the result. Dublin are top no matter the result. Total dead rubber
Kerry need to win to have a chance of making the semi's - that's not dead in my eyes
Head to head precedes of Points difference?
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
1 - dublin roscommon. The other 3 all have something to play for. Monaghan need a draw, kerry need a win, tyrone need a draw, donegal need a win
Kildare will have absolutely no motivation to play this match, they are already out of the championship. Very unfair on counties to have to still play a match knowing it means nothing.
Why? Happens in the league and happens in other sports. Monaghan beat Dublin in Croke Park in the league this year when it didn't matter and I'd say every Monaghan person enjoyed it.
If Kildare can't look forward to knocking Kerry out of the championship in Killarney then that's their problem.
No matter how good the new structure is, there was always going to be a good old moan. The prospect of "dead rubbers" ensured that. Had it not been the dead rubbers it'd have been something else. Altogether now............MOAN!!!!!
Moaning? no i called out something as it is or nearly was!!
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
It's a very good format and we only have one dead rubber.
Kerry Kildare is a dead Rubber as much as Dublin Roscommon is! Explain the difference?
Roscommon are out no matter the result. Dublin are top no matter the result. Total dead rubber
Kerry need to win to have a chance of making the semi's - that's not dead in my eyes
Head to head precedes of Points difference?
yes in a 2 way tie.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
James O'Donoghue is like a tiger that has had his teeth pulled.
More like a pony who's lost his trick
Just got sent this......
When the ball is on the ground, it may be
played by any part of the body except the
hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the
feet.
Exceptions
(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the
ground with his hand(s) inside his own
small rectangle.
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the
ground while in possession of the ball may
fist or palm the ball away on the ground,
and may score by so doing.
(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground
with the knees.
Deegan gave a free against Walsh for this that led directly to the goal at the end. I'd need to see it again though.
will Galway & Monaghan play for a draw?
When has that ever happened in the history of the GAA.
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will Galway & Monaghan play for a draw?
Playing Dublin is a death sentence.
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will Galway & Monaghan play for a draw?
Playing Dublin is a death sentence.
Someone will have to play the dubs sometime
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The fact that Roscommon and Kildare have absolutely nothing to play for shows the stupidity of these super 8s. Kerry will likely rack up a big score against Kildare which should get them into the semis.
Only for that late Clifford goal the last round of Super 8s games would have produced 3 dead rubbers.
So instead we only have two!!
1 - dublin roscommon. The other 3 all have something to play for. Monaghan need a draw, kerry need a win, tyrone need a draw, donegal need a win
Kildare will have absolutely no motivation to play this match, they are already out of the championship. Very unfair on counties to have to still play a match knowing it means nothing.
Why? Happens in the league and happens in other sports. Monaghan beat Dublin in Croke Park in the league this year when it didn't matter and I'd say every Monaghan person enjoyed it.
If Kildare can't look forward to knocking Kerry out of the championship in Killarney then that's their problem.
No matter how good the new structure is, there was always going to be a good old moan. The prospect of "dead rubbers" ensured that. Had it not been the dead rubbers it'd have been something else. Altogether now............MOAN!!!!!
Do you not know moaning is our national sport.
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Just got sent this......
When the ball is on the ground, it may be
played by any part of the body except the
hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the
feet.
Exceptions
(i) The goalkeeper may play the ball on the
ground with his hand(s) inside his own
small rectangle.
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the
ground while in possession of the ball may
fist or palm the ball away on the ground,
and may score by so doing.
(iii) The ball may not be lifted off the ground
with the knees.
Deegan gave a free against Walsh for this that led directly to the goal at the end. I'd need to see it again though.
Absolutely
I certainly wondered about that free when the ball was played on the ground.
Kerry goal was illegitimate, basically:
Paul Earley (@earleyconsult):
Kerry goal came from referee decision to penalise Colin Walsh when he fisted the ball away on the ground after falling. 'Rule 1.2 Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground and may score'
We really need refs that know, and who can faithfully implement, the fecking rules; it has been a disastrous weekend for ineptitude in the middle, seriously.
How important were those two points Tom O'Sullivan kicked from corner back?
Kerry's young lads made plenty of mistakes today through inexperience, but they kept driving on regardless.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 07:17:25 PM
When has that ever happened in the history of the GAA.
It happened at the end of the Dublin-Mayo semi-final in 2015 when Dublin played keep ball in their own half and Mayo were happy to let them do so.
Obviously that was because it was close to the end of the game and both teams decided they'd be happy with another day out rather than risk an all or nothing play, but if Galway v Monaghan becomes a level game inside, say, the last five minutes, you could see something similar.
Monaghan would be more than happy to take their chances in a semi-final against Dublin rather than be eliminated.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2018, 08:01:21 PM
Kerry goal was illegitimate, basically:
Paul Earley (@earleyconsult):
Kerry goal came from referee decision to penalise Colin Walsh when he fisted the ball away on the ground after falling. 'Rule 1.2 Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground and may score'
We really need refs that know, and who can faithfully implement, the fecking rules; it has been a disastrous weekend for ineptitude in the middle, seriously.
From my limited experience, I've always felt that Sean Hurson is a superb referee.
Thought Deegan was shocking, Kerry benefited the first half whilst Monaghan did in the 2nd.
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Thought Deegan was shocking, Kerry benefited the first half whilst Monaghan did in the 2nd.
The smiling assassin
That last free to Kerry most probably was an error but in itself did not hand the initiative back to Kerry to equalize.
I thought Deegan did well overall, kept the game flowing and was well in control throughout.
What I expect from refs at this part of the championship is to apply leniency in accordance with the pressure on the players and do their upmost keep everybody on the pitch. I'd expect them not to be a stickler for pedantically applying a dogmatic application of the rule book which get players sent off/black carded for so and so challenges.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 22, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
Thought Deegan was shocking, Kerry benefited the first half whilst Monaghan did in the 2nd.
I always find he doesn't generally go out to shaft teams but gets a lot wrong. He deteriorates when pressure comes on.
AIF replay 2016 was his worst performance.
Monaghan blew it, lacked the composure to close the game out; had many chances either to score or to simply keep possession. Difficult for them now; shame because I always admire their spirit and how they make the most of the small population. Kerry will definitely beat Kildare handily, as Kildare have nothing to play for. On the other hand, Galway have already qualified, so Monaghan may have the greater motivation
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That last free to Kerry most probably was an error but in itself did not hand the initiative back to Kerry to equalize.
I thought Deegan did well overall, kept the game flowing and was well in control throughout.
What I expect from refs at this part of the championship is to apply leniency in accordance with the pressure on the players and do their upmost keep everybody on the pitch. I'd expect them not to be a stickler for pedantically applying a dogmatic application of the rule book which get players sent off/black carded for so and so challenges.
in that vien he let donaghy off when we've often seen players get a red for less. However he has to get the technical stuff right. Its no different to a double hop and we'd all be incensed if he missed that
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 22, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
Mone fucked it up at the end. ;D
Class game that. That was Monaghan's AI Final.
Wasn't sure at the time, but having just watched the Sunday game, Mone played the percentage ball to his team mate in a better, closer position who, if he jinked left had a handy point. Instead he turned right into the Kerry defender and invited the tackle.. ie not on Mone
A team mate who's likely to be right footed.
Monaghan must still be kicking themselves today at how they failed to close yesterdays game out.
I didn't realise that there is now a 2 week gap until the next match which may help them to recover mentally as much as anything following what must have felt like a defeat yesterday. Ordinarily there is very little between Monaghan and Galway (probably have been the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the country all season long) although Galway have the home venue on this occasion.
Galway have already qualified and may subconsciously take their eye off the ball slightly with a semi final a week later, whereas when Monaghan have a few days to analyse yesterdays game they will realise that they are still in the championship and it is effectively do or die for them. This Galway v Monaghan match together with the Donegal v Tyrone match will be real cut and thrust knock out encounters.
Monaghan have only themselve to trying to play keep ball with only a 3 point advantage. Kicked some great long range points during the game. So why not try the same in the last few minutes?
Such a roller-coaster. An absolutely sickening end and yet an occasion that may never be matched. Normally it's people outside the county giving platitudes to Monaghan but yesterday there was an atmosphere in Clones that I haven't experienced in 20 years watching Monaghan.
You knew it driving in the Roslea Road. 3pm, the placed jammed and all Monaghan. Yes, there's been bigger crowds for Ulster Finals but the Monaghan crowd in the ground an hour before the match was something to behold. The cheer as they came out and returned in for their warm up. The roar when they did sprints across from the Gerry Arthur to the Pat Mc Grane before the start. It was like a plead from the crowd for Monaghan to go to war with Kerry, and they did. And for that I`m terribly proud of them today.
Enda McGinley summed it up saying yesterday felt like Monaghan`s historic moment and for 72 minutes it felt like it was happening. Yes, we should have been more than 3 up at the end and errors were made but of all days I just can`t begin to analyse or criticise decisions or moments by any player. For me today is about acknowledging what yesterday was.
The 2-week break will do them good. They have time to hurt for a few days but must rise again for Galway. I just hope that as many as possible Monaghan supporters make the trip west. Yesterday's occasion was special, I can only imagine the players drew something from it as well. We all owe it to them to try and replicate it in Galway.
Monaghan have now conceded injury time goals against Tyrone, Fermanagh & Kerry, whilst Kerry have scored injury time goals 2 games in a row. Kerry while not playing well appear to have greater mental strength.
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Monaghan have now conceded injury time goals against Tyrone, Fermanagh & Kerry, whilst Kerry have scored injury time goals 2 games in a row. Kerry while not playing well appear to have greater mental strength.
A last minute injury time goal against Galway to turn a potential 6 point defeat into a 3 point defeat has got nothing to do with mental strength.
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Quote from: clarshack on July 23, 2018, 02:44:00 PM
Monaghan have now conceded injury time goals against Tyrone, Fermanagh & Kerry, whilst Kerry have scored injury time goals 2 games in a row. Kerry while not playing well appear to have greater mental strength.
A last minute injury time goal against Galway to turn a potential 6 point defeat into a 3 point defeat has got nothing to do with mental strength.
Also shouldn't have even stood as Geaney threw the ball to Clifford (yes it still annoys me).
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 22, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
Mone fucked it up at the end. ;D
Class game that. That was Monaghan's AI Final.
Wasn't sure at the time, but having just watched the Sunday game, Mone played the percentage ball to his team mate in a better, closer position who, if he jinked left had a handy point. Instead he turned right into the Kerry defender and invited the tackle.. ie not on Mone
If Mone didn't fancy it on his right, he had all the time in the world to run it in close enough to fist over. Instead he played it to a man running into traffic. Giving it to a man who you are relying on to beat another player one on one rather than taking an easy score yourself is not playing the percentages, i.e. that particular failing was definitely on Mone.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2018, 08:01:21 PM
Kerry goal was illegitimate, basically:
Paul Earley (@earleyconsult):
Kerry goal came from referee decision to penalise Colin Walsh when he fisted the ball away on the ground after falling. 'Rule 1.2 Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground and may score'
We really need refs that know, and who can faithfully implement, the fecking rules; it has been a disastrous weekend for ineptitude in the middle, seriously.
I've seen this all over the place and its rubbish. Of course Deegan knows that rule, and he was completely right to give the free - Walshe wasn't in possession of the ball when he went down, it was loose.