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Two teams talked about to clash for the past few years.
Both had easy tuns do far and untested
Both drew with each other in the league

Against Derry Tyrone led 0.10 to 0.05 at HT.
After 50 mins it was 0.14 to 0.08

Against Donegal they lead 0.12 to 0.05 at HT
After 50 mins is was 1.14 to 0.06

Against Down they lead 0.07 to 0.05 at HT
After 50 mins is was 1.14 to 0.07

Today Tyrone lead Armagh 1.08 to 0.04 at HT.
Dubs held Monaghan to just 3 points yet people see Tyrone as being more defensive.

Tyrone end their game with 3.17 yet talk will still be about lack of forwards.

To be honest I've no idea how this game will fair out but my kids are worried.

This is the dream date for Tyrone. Are they good enough ? If they are and they win the match after, immortality. 

Biggest game for Tyrone since the final 9 years ago. I think we can do it but it's going to be tough. A great Dublin team and the ref will give them at least a 4 point head start.

Sean Cavanagh's last game. Tyrone will not win this game.

Tyrone have a superb team & in another time could win the AI.
Problem is they are up against the greatest team ever to play Gaelic football
In my opinion. Dubs look awesome

A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

Quote from: sam03/05 on August 05, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Tyrone have a superb team & in another time could win the AI.
Problem is they are up against the greatest team ever to play Gaelic football
In my opinion. Dubs look awesome

Yep. Nothing more, good post. But we'll still go in hope.

If Tyrone bring a level of intensity equivalent to Kerry in 03 and manage to put the Dubs off their stride and at the same time hit a scoring vein like the last 15 mins of the first half of the Donegal game this year where we couldn't miss, then we have a chance. I have believed for a long time that Mickey has created this game plan with the sole intention of beating the Dubs. It's been messy at times over the years but we are meeting Dublin at a time when we seem very comfortable in what we do. In my view, Tyrone don't have a plan B. If the Dubs work us out fairly quickly then we're f*cked, if however, like Mickey is hoping, we cause them problems and they struggle to work us out then we are in business. Also I wouldn't rule out a few of Mickey's famous curve balls on the day. (I see Stevie O'Neill kicked 2-5 for his club last weekend 😂)

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
Sean Cavanagh's last game. Tyrone will not win this game.

Good omen to begin with.

End of an Era, oh boy, think you need change the title thread to this one.

Tyrone are good, very good but there style of play means they must lead early on to play their counter attacking game, if they fall behind early on to Dublin as i expect, i cant see them come back into the game unless they push out,

Monaghan have 5 or 6 very good players and none of them even counted against Dublin today, thats what i couldn't believe about the 2nd game today.

He end of the Harte/Cavanagh era?

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2017, 10:30:50 PM
End of an Era, oh boy, think you need change the title thread to this one.

Tyrone are good, very good but there style of play means they must lead early on to play their counter attacking game, if they fall behind early on to Dublin as i expect, i cant see them come back into the game unless they push out,

Monaghan have 5 or 6 very good players and none of them even counted against Dublin today, thats what i couldn't believe about the 2nd game today.

Do you think Dublin will sit back if they go a few points up? Or will they continue to attack?

I just worry mcQuillen gets appointment ref for the game.

I don't think there are enough scores in that tyrone team to beat dublin. I am hoping they give them a much better game than monaghan though.

It is hard to know where either team really are in saying that though. Dublin have been impressive but i don't think they are as good as they have been. Monaghan struggled with down who tyrone made look very ordinary so how much we read into today i am not sure. Should be interesting but like i say hard to see enough scores in tyrone. Big test for them.

Tyrone will win this, mark my words. Tyrone have the off the shoulder speed and power to cause the Dubs serious problems. Once again, the Dubs had the freedom of Croke park to slot over their points at ease, this won't happen on the 27th!

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 05, 2017, 11:13:48 PM
Tyrone will win this, mark my words. Tyrone have the off the shoulder speed and power to cause the Dubs serious problems. Once again, the Dubs had the freedom of Croke park to slot over their points at ease, this won't happen on the 27th!

Not a chance. Which Dublin players can't keep with the off the shoulder speed and power of Tyrone?

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 10:06:08 PM
A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

I don't know what's insulting about stating what almost all neutrals think will happen. But keep doing what you're doing and convincing yourself it's me that looks petty.

If anything it's sad to see Cavanagh go. One of the best of his generation.

Not saying that the Dubs don't have pace and power in their backs, hiwever, Kerry and Mayo have both shown that if you catch them on a bad day you can reap real dividends if you've serious pace and a support system in place to produce overlaps and multiple runners.

We are never going to beat them playing a more traditional style so we've honed this particular approach. The thing about Tyrone is we're very good at creating scoring opportunities, our ability to beat the Dubs rests on our efficiency rates being sky high and Dublin having a semi off day in front of the posts, like today. I really think we've got s shot.

Sorry OG, I can't see it. I don't see any match ups where your forwards have an advantage so Dublin can push up on your sweepers. Why you are playing two sweepers is beyond me as it's a tactic that doesn't work against the best teams anymore.

In the 21st century, semi-finals involving Dublin have been the biggest games in the GAA. They have the best atmospheres and are generally much more memorable games than finals. This one looks set to follow the pattern.

Tyrone are tailor-made to beat Dublin in my view. They've played Dublin five times in the league since Jim Gavin took over for the 2013 season. Granted they were all in the league, but the aggregate scoreline in those five meetings is Dublin 5-61 Tyrone 2-69, and four of those were played with inferior Tyrone teams to what currently exists.

Tyrone players have the big county mentality that Dublin and Kerry have. That should be a given but only a very select group have it. In the past week we've seen Galway, Armagh and Monaghan turn up clearly believing they don't belong at the top level.

But more pertinently, they have the pace, movement, power and tactical awareness needed to really unsettle Dublin.

This one has a real feel of Dublin v Donegal 2014 about it to me.

Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2017, 11:36:04 PM
Sorry OG, I can't see it. I don't see any match ups where your forwards have an advantage so Dublin can push up on your sweepers. Why you are playing two sweepers is beyond me as it's a tactic that doesn't work against the best teams anymore.

I would argue that Matty Donnelly, Sludden and Harte would match up fairly well against any of the Dublin defence. Cavanagh will cause them more worry in theory and reputation than he will in practice. But we don't play that way anyway. We only pick up 3 or maybe 4 opposition key men and the rest of the team, bar Bradley are fluid to move were they want in possession but tuck in to cover zones in defence when not in possession. If Dublin push up on our defensive set up then we back ourselves to kill them on the break at pace in the spaces they leave. We only have a plan A and we basically challenge teams to break it down. Armagh players didn't know who to pick up today, though I'd imagine the Dubs will be much more savy. The big problem is converting the scoring opportunities and although we have significantly improved in that area we still aren't as efficient as Dublin.

Tyrone's system is very good at snuffing out teams who rely on a particular forward, or even 2... McManus, Clarke, McBrearty & Murphy.

Dublin have 6 forwards already who are class then McManamon, Brogan, Flynn, Costello and of course Connolly to come in.

Finally the inbred upstarts from over the mountain will be put back in their box and Saint Mickey can head for the seminary. . . for everyone's sake!

You'd want someone to look at that chip on your shoulder Loopy.

The bitterness is unbelievable - hahahahaha

Quote from: sid waddell on August 05, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
In the 21st century, semi-finals involving Dublin have been the biggest games in the GAA. They have the best atmospheres and are generally much more memorable games than finals. This one looks set to follow the pattern.

Tyrone are tailor-made to beat Dublin in my view. They've played Dublin five times in the league since Jim Gavin took over for the 2013 season. Granted they were all in the league, but the aggregate scoreline in those five meetings is Dublin 5-61 Tyrone 2-69, and four of those were played with inferior Tyrone teams to what currently exists.

Tyrone players have the big county mentality that Dublin and Kerry have. That should be a given but only a very select group have it. In the past week we've seen Galway, Armagh and Monaghan turn up clearly believing they don't belong at the top level.

But more pertinently, they have the pace, movement, power and tactical awareness needed to really unsettle Dublin.

This one has a real feel of Dublin v Donegal 2014 about it to me.

no chance - dublin without breaking sweat. they are miles ahead

Quote from: sid waddell on August 05, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
In the 21st century, semi-finals involving Dublin have been the biggest games in the GAA. They have the best atmospheres and are generally much more memorable games than finals. This one looks set to follow the pattern.

Tyrone are tailor-made to beat Dublin in my view. They've played Dublin five times in the league since Jim Gavin took over for the 2013 season. Granted they were all in the league, but the aggregate scoreline in those five meetings is Dublin 5-61 Tyrone 2-69, and four of those were played with inferior Tyrone teams to what currently exists.

Tyrone players have the big county mentality that Dublin and Kerry have. That should be a given but only a very select group have it. In the past week we've seen Galway, Armagh and Monaghan turn up clearly believing they don't belong at the top level.

But more pertinently, they have the pace, movement, power and tactical awareness needed to really unsettle Dublin.

This one has a real feel of Dublin v Donegal 2014 about it to me.

One hundred and eighty!

Tyrone have the right mentality and a sense of entitlement but they dont have the experience.
It is like one of those nature videos where a young lion challenges the pride leader for the right to impregnate the females.

Or taking a religious angle a lot of medieval castles were named after Mary because she was impregnable and belonged to God. Mickey Harte could probably riff off that theme  and bring in the rosary to bolster it.

Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 05:41:50 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on August 05, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
In the 21st century, semi-finals involving Dublin have been the biggest games in the GAA. They have the best atmospheres and are generally much more memorable games than finals. This one looks set to follow the pattern.

Tyrone are tailor-made to beat Dublin in my view. They've played Dublin five times in the league since Jim Gavin took over for the 2013 season. Granted they were all in the league, but the aggregate scoreline in those five meetings is Dublin 5-61 Tyrone 2-69, and four of those were played with inferior Tyrone teams to what currently exists.

Tyrone players have the big county mentality that Dublin and Kerry have. That should be a given but only a very select group have it. In the past week we've seen Galway, Armagh and Monaghan turn up clearly believing they don't belong at the top level.

But more pertinently, they have the pace, movement, power and tactical awareness needed to really unsettle Dublin.

This one has a real feel of Dublin v Donegal 2014 about it to me.

One hundred and eighty!

Tyrone have the right mentality and a sense of entitlement but they dont have the experience.
It is like one of those nature videos where a young lion challenges the pride leader for the right to impregnate the females.

Or taking a religious angle a lot of medieval castles were named after Mary because she was impregnable and belonged to God. Mickey Harte could probably riff off that theme  and bring in the rosary to bolster it.

;D ;D ;D
Very good Seafoid I suppose you do eventually manage the odd funny post on occasion.

The big question is: can the Dubs score more than 5 points by half-time! :P ;)

Its very interesting.
Tyrone will want to come out at least 40/60,on Cluxton's kickouts.
They will want to swarm the Dublin forwards. And they will have to score goals. I think if you want to do it properly you need to get the timing right like Donegal in 2014. Two goals one after another in the first 10 minutes of the second half. Coulld Michael Murphy be baturalised?  They need to keep scoring after 60 minutes.

After the rosary in the dressing room I would expect Mickey to play I believe I can fly.

FoSB you actually made me LOL there

The theme and title of this thread is hilarious. Derry, Donegal, Down and Armagh dispatched and Dublin are there for the taking. That's very good. Don't think a ref will be as likely to punish the opposition for dives by Bradley, Mccann or Professor Cheat Sean Cavanagh on 27th. In fact if anything Dublin tend to get handy frees and build an early lead. Let's see if Saint Mickey has the nous to pull off a heist like the 2014 semi. The platform for that was built on QF day when Dublin beat Monaghan by pushing everyone up bar Cuxton.  They have learnt a little humility from that day when we stopped the 5 in a row before it started. Dubs v Kerry final. Hopefully Kerry to win it. Sean to retire and hopefully he takes his black card with him.

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2017, 11:10:31 PM
I don't think there are enough scores in that tyrone team to beat dublin. I am hoping they give them a much better game than monaghan though.

It is hard to know where either team really are in saying that though. Dublin have been impressive but i don't think they are as good as they have been. Monaghan struggled with down who tyrone made look very ordinary so how much we read into today i am not sure. Should be interesting but like i say hard to see enough scores in tyrone. Big test for them.

What have Tyrone to do to banish this crap about not being score to score/are a defensive team/ have no forwards etc.

Put up the biggest cumulative score in Ulster since 1940. Have averaged 23.75 points in the championship this year.

Quote from: dlgael on August 06, 2017, 09:36:13 AM
The theme and title of this thread is hilarious. Derry, Donegal, Down and Armagh dispatched and Dublin are there for the taking. That's very good. Don't think a ref will be as likely to punish the opposition for dives by Bradley, Mccann or Professor Cheat Sean Cavanagh on 27th. In fact if anything Dublin tend to get handy frees and build an early lead. Let's see if Saint Mickey has the nous to pull off a heist like the 2014 semi. The platform for that was built on QF day when Dublin beat Monaghan by pushing everyone up bar Cuxton.  They have learnt a little humility from that day when we stopped the 5 in a row before it started. Dubs v Kerry final. Hopefully Kerry to win it. Sean to retire and hopefully he takes his black card with him.

Sour grapes, much?

Just reality checking. Tyrone 2017 have been impressive but they've played nobody no disrespect to the rest of Ulster but we're a shambles. Last year the first test was failed. This year it's an infinitely bigger test. I don't expect Tyrone to lie down and have their bellies tickled but their McGuinness 2012 tactics will get a fair examination. Dublin have been honing playing against this for a few years now. They will recycle where others including us had it turned over. Pains me to say it because I'm not a Dublin fan but my dislike for Dublin is overshadowed by the dark arts masters across the bridge. I said to a neighbour last night that Dublin would put manners on Tyrone. He played a bit hI'm self in the 60s. He laughed and said it wasn't possible.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 09:41:33 AM

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2017, 11:10:31 PM
I don't think there are enough scores in that tyrone team to beat dublin. I am hoping they give them a much better game than monaghan though.

It is hard to know where either team really are in saying that though. Dublin have been impressive but i don't think they are as good as they have been. Monaghan struggled with down who tyrone made look very ordinary so how much we read into today i am not sure. Should be interesting but like i say hard to see enough scores in tyrone. Big test for them.

You're mistaking high scoring for attractive football. They are a horrible side to watch because they basically don't kick the ball other than when they are having a shot on goal. They flood the defence with bodies and make it difficult for the opposition to get shots off never mind scores. Yes it is very effective and takes serious fitness levels but it's awful to watch, such a joyless form of football.

What have Tyrone to do to banish this crap about not being score to score/are a defensive team/ have no forwards etc.

Put up the biggest cumulative score in Ulster since 1940. Have averaged 23.75 points in the championship this year.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 09:41:33 AM

Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2017, 11:10:31 PM
I don't think there are enough scores in that tyrone team to beat dublin. I am hoping they give them a much better game than monaghan though.

It is hard to know where either team really are in saying that though. Dublin have been impressive but i don't think they are as good as they have been. Monaghan struggled with down who tyrone made look very ordinary so how much we read into today i am not sure. Should be interesting but like i say hard to see enough scores in tyrone. Big test for them.

Tyrone are brilliant, Dublin are brilliant, this will be one for the ages, C'mon Dublin but Tyrone are an incredible outfit, the winners of this will win Sam.


What have Tyrone to do to banish this crap about not being score to score/are a defensive team/ have no forwards etc.

Put up the biggest cumulative score in Ulster since 1940. Have averaged 23.75 points in the championship this year.

"...Over the bridge" -- practically a Tyrone townie in Lifford! :P :)

Putting manners on us, well, that's the great imponderable right now, because we are the one team that the Dubs didn't want to meet en route to their third in a row, at all. We'll give them their fill, and then some -- they're not going to be given this SAM on a plate, and the question is will they have the stomach for this particular fight, and I'm not so sure they have.

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 11:27:25 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 10:06:08 PM
A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

I don't know what's insulting about stating what almost all neutrals think will happen. But keep doing what you're doing and convincing yourself it's me that looks petty.

If anything it's sad to see Cavanagh go. One of the best of his generation.

Is it f**k, Cavanagh is the softest big man in gaa history, there is no honour in lying down feigning hurt, the man mastered that discipline, comparwd to McGrane or Tohill he is a disgrace, he is a diving cheating bastard in the harte mode,  C'mon the Dubs.

Quote from: stew on August 06, 2017, 10:54:09 AM

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 11:27:25 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 10:06:08 PM
A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

I don't know what's insulting about stating what almost all neutrals think will happen. But keep doing what you're doing and convincing yourself it's me that looks petty.

If anything it's sad to see Cavanagh go. One of the best of his generation.

Is it f**k, Cavanagh is the softest big man in gaa history, there is no honour in lying down feigning hurt, the man mastered that discipline, comparwd to McGrane or Tohill he is a disgrace, he is a diving cheating b**tard in the harte mode,  C'mon the Dubs.

You are one class-less individual stew

Quote from: stew on August 06, 2017, 10:54:09 AM

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 11:27:25 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 10:06:08 PM
A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

I don't know what's insulting about stating what almost all neutrals think will happen. But keep doing what you're doing and convincing yourself it's me that looks petty.

If anything it's sad to see Cavanagh go. One of the best of his generation.

Is it f**k, Cavanagh is the softest big man in gaa history, there is no honour in lying down feigning hurt, the man mastered that discipline, comparwd to McGrane or Tohill he is a disgrace, he is a diving cheating b**tard in the harte mode,  C'mon the Dubs.

;D ;D :D ;D

Plamas from Jim Gavin

"Over the last number of seasons Dublin-Tyrone games have been nip and tuck and I don't expect anything different in three weeks time."

Tyrone need some kind of shock and awe to impose themselves on the game. If they let the Dubs get into Harlem Globetrotters mode it will be over.

Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 11:06:45 AM
Plamas from Jim Gavin

"Over the last number of seasons Dublin-Tyrone games have been nip and tuck and I don't expect anything different in three weeks time."

Tyrone need some kind of shock and awe to impose themselves on the game. If they let the Dubs get into Harlem Globetrotters mode it will be over.

Shock and awe from Tyrone?certainly not, they are not going to change tack in 3 weeks.  It will be a grind fest as Tyrone wheel back the clock 5 years to try and do a Donegal and win the match 11-10 in an arm wrestle of a match.

Nothing like a good thread title to flush out the anti your team brigade.
Fair play to most of the Armagh and Down ones who were able to admit Tyrone are at a higher level and are now a much more disciplined team. However, there are still a lot of spiteful people on here who want to believe Tyrone are a distasteful anti football side who just try to prevent the other team from playing.
I am not expecting the Dubs game to be a 7 v 6 points game like Donegal back in 2011.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 11:16:48 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 11:06:45 AM
Plamas from Jim Gavin

"Over the last number of seasons Dublin-Tyrone games have been nip and tuck and I don't expect anything different in three weeks time."

Tyrone need some kind of shock and awe to impose themselves on the game. If they let the Dubs get into Harlem Globetrotters mode it will be over.

Shock and awe from Tyrone?certainly not, they are not going to change tack in 3 weeks.  It will be a grind fest as Tyrone wheel back the clock 5 years to try and do a Donegal and win the match 11-10 in an arm wrestle of a match.

Tyrone won't deviate from Plan A and why should they? They have realised that a gameplan to beat the Dubs needs to be perfected. Switching tack in 3 weeks is the decision of fools. Give me Tyrone's winning gameplan over the utter, utter derge served up by Armagh yesterday. I'm am sure most of your county's fans would say the same.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 06, 2017, 11:32:57 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 11:16:48 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 11:06:45 AM
Plamas from Jim Gavin

"Over the last number of seasons Dublin-Tyrone games have been nip and tuck and I don't expect anything different in three weeks time."

Tyrone need some kind of shock and awe to impose themselves on the game. If they let the Dubs get into Harlem Globetrotters mode it will be over.

Shock and awe from Tyrone?certainly not, they are not going to change tack in 3 weeks.  It will be a grind fest as Tyrone wheel back the clock 5 years to try and do a Donegal and win the match 11-10 in an arm wrestle of a match.

Tyrone won't deviate from Plan A and why should they? They have realised that a gameplan to beat the Dubs needs to be perfected. Switching tack in 3 weeks is the decision of fools. Give me Tyrone's winning gameplan over the utter, utter derge served up by Armagh yesterday. I'm am sure most of your county's fans would say the same.

Absolutely not, they shouldn't and they won't change it, we know exactly what they are going to do. It's working for them and they might well win an AI with it. At least they have a conviction in what they are doing unlike Armagh who hopelessly played into Tyrones hands and geezer again showed his tactical cluelessness. However, it's not a pretty style of football to watch, it's all about the result with Harte and that's why only an AI title will satisfy many Tyrone fans. If you aren't winning with that style of football then there isn't much joy to be had.

Maybe I'm biased but i think we are great to watch.
The angles & pace we run at are frightening.

Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 09:33:13 AM
Its very interesting.
Tyrone will want to come out at least 40/60,on Cluxton's kickouts.
They will want to swarm the Dublin forwards. And they will have to score goals.

To have a real chance against Dublin, the first thing you have to do is stop Dublin scoring goals.

Tyrone have not conceded a goal in Croke Park in their last seven championship matches there.

A goal or two or three against them as Donegal got certainly is a massive help, but Dublin can be outscored.

In four of Mayo's last six championship clashes against Dublin, they've hit a higher number of total scores.

Similarly, and I know it's only the league, but Tyrone have hit five more overall scores than Dublin in their last five competitive clashes.

The key is to keep the goals out.

The impression of Dublin's dominance over everybody is else is mainly built up through the league and championship rounds up to the quarter-final.

But not once have Dublin "done a job" on a team in an All-Ireland semi-final or final.

Under Jim Gavin, they've conceded 10 goals in 5 All-Ireland semi-final matches.

In every All-Ireland semi-final they've won, their opponents have had a potentially match-winning lead of 4 points or more.

In finals they've won two by 1 point and drew another they should have lost. Dublin's most dominant display in an All-Ireland semi-final or final this decade was against Kerry in the 2015 final and even that was only a 3 point victory with Kerry spurning a goal chance to level the match late on.

Dublin's dominance in All-Ireland semi-finals and finals is vastly overstated.

Dublin have lost two matches in seven seasons. Their dominance is in no way overstated.

Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2017, 12:44:40 PM
Dublin have lost two matches in seven seasons. Their dominance is in no way overstated.

The level of denial when it comes to Dublin Success is quite astounding. There is almost a complete blind eye given to their recent underage success. We hear and hear about Kerry winning 3 in a row minors. But Dublin underage success is ignored.

Just like the GAA community ignores the Dublin Project and fogs it off as a fad.

Quote from: Taylor on August 06, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
Maybe I'm biased but i think we are great to watch.
The angles & pace we run at are frightening.

Its great stuff altogether best football Ive seen played this decade, I can honestly say if I wa a neutral I would be goingto see every match as its deadly stuff

Quote from: stew on August 06, 2017, 10:54:09 AM

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 11:27:25 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 10:06:08 PM
A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

I don't know what's insulting about stating what almost all neutrals think will happen. But keep doing what you're doing and convincing yourself it's me that looks petty.

If anything it's sad to see Cavanagh go. One of the best of his generation.

Is it f**k, Cavanagh is the softest big man in gaa history, there is no honour in lying down feigning hurt, the man mastered that discipline, comparwd to McGrane or Tohill he is a disgrace, he is a diving cheating b**tard in the harte mode,  C'mon the Dubs.

Go and spend the rest of the summer running after metal balls down a country road

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 06, 2017, 09:34:27 AM
FoSB you actually made me LOL there

I was being totally serious! :P ;)

The end of an era what is that about?

Current Tyrone team remind me of Donegal 2011, a very fit team full of running can hammer poorly organized teams but probably not ready yet to win the All Ireland. I'm expecting Tyrone v Dublin to be a tactical battle and bruising encounter. A low scoring game with few scores from play is most likely.

Can we beat Dublin? Definitely.

Will we beat Dublin? Maybe.

Hopefully Mickey will lead us to the Oasis.

Usually when we get to this time of year the refs let a lot go and if that is the case Tyrone have a chance. If the ref blows Tyrone for tackling the way they have been all year because he is under pressure from the Dublin crowd then the dubs will prob ease clear. I don't think Rock, Andrews, Brogan will hurt Tyrone from play. Mannion, Kilkenny and O'Callaghan may escape an odd time but not for goals. Connolly would be big threat as he can score wonder points. Biggest danger is the pace and power of mccaffrey McCarthy and Fenton but this will be the biggest test they have come against in a long time and I don't think they will waltz through as easy as they are used to.
I actually think Dublins greatest strength is how they defend as a team and that is the acid test for Tyrone. So far they have racked up big scores against mediocre teams but how will the running game go against a well organised Dublin team who work extremely hard?
Will Tyrone push up on kick outs like they did against Donegal and Armagh to very good effect? That will be like playing Russian roulette but I would say they will aim to mix that up.
If Tyrone can stay in contention going in to the second half they can match the Dublin bench and finish strong. They should also be very hungry to win as this team have yet to prove they can beat a Kerry Dublin or Mayo when it counts.
Tyrone have still to prove they are up to the level required to beat Dublin but for the sake of the game I hope they can give it a hell of a rattle.

Both teams love to play with the lead and have done all year if one team goes down by 3/4 points be very interesting to see what happens

As you say Trap, the referee is going to be very important here. Ideally we'd want someone like Gough as he lets a lot more go. However, he has refereed two of our last three games. I don't know if this will be taken into account. I felt Lane was very harsh on Monaghan yesterday and didn't let the game flow like Gough. An over fussy ref that is hounded by the Dublin fans could derail our high intensity defence.

I feel one of our biggest strengths is not giving away many frees, another exceptional effort yesterday. As we all know, Dean Rock will clean up if there's a bucketfull of free kicks.

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2017, 06:57:36 PM
As you say Trap, the referee is going to be very important here. Ideally we'd want someone like Gough as he lets a lot more go. However, he has refereed two of our last three games. I don't know if this will be taken into account. I felt Lane was very harsh on Monaghan yesterday and didn't let the game flow like Gough. An over fussy ref that is hounded by the Dublin fans could derail our high intensity defence.

I feel one of our biggest strengths is not giving away many frees, another exceptional effort yesterday. As we all know, Dean Rock will clean up if there's a bucketfull of free kicks.

The problem with Lane was that he wasn't just fussy, he was completely inconsistent. He was blowing Monaghan up for fouls for any little bit of physical contact and letting Dublin players away with any sort of attempted tackle.

The only semi-competent refs in the game are Coldrick or Gough.

Does anyone know if family tickets will be available for this?

Huge pressure on Tyrone heading into this game . They are the new team on the block with a young team ,pace , highly skilled young players . Really the pressure is on them to deliver

Dublin are an ageing team defensive team who rarely score anymore . We are travelling in hope . As Sid says above our record of winning all Ireland's in 2011, 2013,2015 and 2016 is over rated . I'm not sure what shit kick a bucket county he's from but obviously I missed their dominance in the same period

Leaving that aside his synopsis is correct . Dublin are on the slide and really people are expecting Tyrone to deliver the victory to put Dublins carcass in the glue factory once and for all

Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
Does anyone know if family tickets will be available for this?

I think so. Think it's just the finals that the children have to pay full whack.

The secret of tyrone's success

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/894314398948376576/video/1

Leaving the hype aside, Dublin will win this game, have the better players but have weakness at full back without their regular fullback, P Flynn abit older but still there, Mr temperamental will be back, game will be ugly as hell, and not high scoring but Dublin will grind out a win, tyrone will justify they are not far off as the score will be tight, but at the end of the day this type of football style takes you only so far, sooner or later you gotta come out and attack.  Remember this is a team going for 3 in a row, we have had 3 time winners in Kerry 1984-86, over 30 years since that happened. Tyrone downed kerry going for 3 in a  row in 2008

Tyrone could win if they actually left more forwards up, And i start Meyler, and move Donnelly to midfield,and maybe play O`Neill or McCurry up beside Bradley

Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2017, 11:33:51 PM
Huge pressure on Tyrone heading into this game . They are the new team on the block with a young team ,pace , highly skilled young players . Really the pressure is on them to deliver

Dublin are an ageing team defensive team who rarely score anymore . We are travelling in hope . As Sid says above our record of winning all Ireland's in 2011, 2013,2015 and 2016 is over rated . I'm not sure what shit kick a bucket county he's from but obviously I missed their dominance in the same period

Leaving that aside his synopsis is correct . Dublin are on the slide and really people are expecting Tyrone to deliver the victory to put Dublins carcass in the glue factory once and for all

Eh?? Dublin never have to travel anywhere.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Leaving the hype aside, Dublin will win this game, have the better players but have weakness at full back without their regular fullback, P Flynn abit older but still there, Mr temperamental will be back, game will be ugly as hell, and not high scoring but Dublin will grind out a win, tyrone will justify they are not far off as the score will be tight, but at the end of the day this type of football style takes you only so far, sooner or later you gotta come out and attack. Remember this is a team going for 3 in a row, we have had 3 time winners in Kerry 1984-86, over 30 years since that happened. Tyrone downed kerry going for 3 in a  row in 2008

Tyrone could win if they actually left more forwards up, And i start Meyler, and move Donnelly to midfield,and maybe play O`Neill or McCurry up beside Bradley

Have you been watching Tyrone this year?  There is no reason for Tyrone to tactically change anything that they are doing.

Quote from: Whishtup on August 07, 2017, 12:00:31 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Leaving the hype aside, Dublin will win this game, have the better players but have weakness at full back without their regular fullback, P Flynn abit older but still there, Mr temperamental will be back, game will be ugly as hell, and not high scoring but Dublin will grind out a win, tyrone will justify they are not far off as the score will be tight, but at the end of the day this type of football style takes you only so far, sooner or later you gotta come out and attack. Remember this is a team going for 3 in a row, we have had 3 time winners in Kerry 1984-86, over 30 years since that happened. Tyrone downed kerry going for 3 in a  row in 2008

Tyrone could win if they actually left more forwards up, And i start Meyler, and move Donnelly to midfield,and maybe play O`Neill or McCurry up beside Bradley

Have you been watching Tyrone this year?  There is no reason for Tyrone to tactically change anything that they are doing.

I was thinking the same. Playing Bradley on his own is not isolating him. When has he ever had the ball without support? His main role is to create the space for runners from deep and he does it brilliantly as well as managing to stay relevant in the attack to pick off scores himself. Tyrone don't kick long balls into him a la Monaghan yesterday. Sticking another man in there doesn't help the game plan and is not needed. Unlike other teams Tyrone, on the break, get players forward in front of the ball not just off the shoulder. Look at the movement of Mulgrew for his scores as an example of this. For me the only way to play against Tyrone is to get a few points in front and sit back, like Mayo did last year. Mimic what we are doing and have the patience to frustrate Tyrone's counter attack by not committing everyone to tag their man or follow the players back. This reduces the effectiveness of the quick break. I don't think Dublin are set up to do this, they commit to attack, will push up and that will play right into our hands. I hope!

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 12:17:25 AM

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Leaving the hype aside, Dublin will win this game, have the better players but have weakness at full back without their regular fullback, P Flynn abit older but still there, Mr temperamental will be back, game will be ugly as hell, and not high scoring but Dublin will grind out a win, tyrone will justify they are not far off as the score will be tight, but at the end of the day this type of football style takes you only so far, sooner or later you gotta come out and attack. Remember this is a team going for 3 in a row, we have had 3 time winners in Kerry 1984-86, over 30 years since that happened. Tyrone downed kerry going for 3 in a  row in 2008

Tyrone could win if they actually left more forwards up, And i start Meyler, and move Donnelly to midfield,and maybe play O`Neill or McCurry up beside Bradley

Have you been watching Tyrone this year?  There is no reason for Tyrone to tactically change anything that they are doing.

I was thinking the same. Playing Bradley on his own is not isolating him. When has he ever had the ball without support? His main role is to create the space for runners from deep and he does it brilliantly as well as managing to stay relevant in the attack to pick off scores himself. Tyrone don't kick long balls into him a la Monaghan yesterday. Sticking another man in there doesn't help the game plan and is not needed. Unlike other teams Tyrone, on the break, get players forward in front of the ball not just off the shoulder. Look at the movement of Mulgrew for his scores as an example of this. For me the only way to play against Tyrone is to get a few points in front and sit back, like Mayo did last year. Mimic what we are doing and have the patience to frustrate Tyrone's counter attack by not committing everyone to tag their man or follow the players back. This reduces the effectiveness of the quick break. I don't think Dublin are set up to do this, they commit to attack, will push up and that will play right into our hands. I hope!

Bradley's role is a thankless task but very important to the setup.  Big Sean has a marauding role as far as I can make out and often is that extra forward at different stages of the game. 

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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 12:17:25 AM

Quote from: Whishtup on August 07, 2017, 12:00:31 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Leaving the hype aside, Dublin will win this game, have the better players but have weakness at full back without their regular fullback, P Flynn abit older but still there, Mr temperamental will be back, game will be ugly as hell, and not high scoring but Dublin will grind out a win, tyrone will justify they are not far off as the score will be tight, but at the end of the day this type of football style takes you only so far, sooner or later you gotta come out and attack. Remember this is a team going for 3 in a row, we have had 3 time winners in Kerry 1984-86, over 30 years since that happened. Tyrone downed kerry going for 3 in a  row in 2008

Tyrone could win if they actually left more forwards up, And i start Meyler, and move Donnelly to midfield,and maybe play O`Neill or McCurry up beside Bradley

Have you been watching Tyrone this year?  There is no reason for Tyrone to tactically change anything that they are doing.

I was thinking the same. Playing Bradley on his own is not isolating him. When has he ever had the ball without support? His main role is to create the space for runners from deep and he does it brilliantly as well as managing to stay relevant in the attack to pick off scores himself. Tyrone don't kick long balls into him a la Monaghan yesterday. Sticking another man in there doesn't help the game plan and is not needed. Unlike other teams Tyrone, on the break, get players forward in front of the ball not just off the shoulder. Look at the movement of Mulgrew for his scores as an example of this. For me the only way to play against Tyrone is to get a few points in front and sit back, like Mayo did last year. Mimic what we are doing and have the patience to frustrate Tyrone's counter attack by not committing everyone to tag their man or follow the players back. This reduces the effectiveness of the quick break. I don't think Dublin are set up to do this, they commit to attack, will push up and that will play right into our hands. I hope!

Bradley's role is a thankless task but very important to the setup.  Big Sean has a marauding role as far as I can make out and often is that extra forward at different stages of the game.

Yup, I think Bradley deserves immense credit this year. What he does up front is extremely selfless, he'll always have his limitations due to his size but he's got a great attitude and is having a brilliant season so far. I think sometimes he's not efficient enough in front of the posts but he had three chances yesterday and he took them all, he'll need to repeat that again when we play Dublin.

McGeary and McCann will come under threat for Dublin but I'd expect the other 13 will definitely start.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2017, 11:33:51 PM

Dublin are an ageing team defensive team who rarely score anymore . We are travelling in hope . As Sid says above our record of winning all Ireland's in 2011, 2013,2015 and 2016 is over rated . I'm not sure what shit kick a bucket county he's from but obviously I missed their dominance in the same period

Dublin

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Quote from: INDIANA on August 06, 2017, 11:33:51 PM

Dublin are an ageing team defensive team who rarely score anymore . We are travelling in hope . As Sid says above our record of winning all Ireland's in 2011, 2013,2015 and 2016 is over rated . I'm not sure what shit kick a bucket county he's from but obviously I missed their dominance in the same period

Dublin

Jebus Indy, didn't realise you were so far gone from us that you'd mistake Sid for a redneck! You OK Bud? :P ;)

This match boils down to a duel over 2 competIng economic visions.

Tyrone are Brexit with their strong and stable defence, disdain for experts and snowflakes who think the game should be exciting to watch. Puke football is Puke football. No scoring forward is better than a marquee forward who won't say the rosary . Unvindicated assertions of a future of deals within the top 3 . Not interested in the customs union for customs such as kicking the ball long . Want to have the freedom to write their own regulations .

Dublin represent continuity in the EU.  Highly neoliberal with obscure funding arrangements .

 

Quote from: seafoid on August 07, 2017, 08:23:02 AM
This match boils down to a duel over 2 competIng economic visions.

Tyrone are Brexit with their strong and stable defence, disdain for experts and snowflakes who think the game should be exciting to watch. Puke football is Puke football. No scoring forward is better than a marquee forward who won't say the rosary . Unvindicated assertions of a future of deals within the top 3 . Not interested in the customs union for customs such as kicking the ball long . Want to have the freedom to write their own regulations .

Dublin represent continuity in the EU.  Highly neoliberal with obscure funding arrangements .

Colm Cavanagh says two rosaries for every man not saying one.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 12:58:44 AM

Quote from: Whishtup on August 07, 2017, 12:35:57 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 12:17:25 AM

Quote from: Whishtup on August 07, 2017, 12:00:31 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Leaving the hype aside, Dublin will win this game, have the better players but have weakness at full back without their regular fullback, P Flynn abit older but still there, Mr temperamental will be back, game will be ugly as hell, and not high scoring but Dublin will grind out a win, tyrone will justify they are not far off as the score will be tight, but at the end of the day this type of football style takes you only so far, sooner or later you gotta come out and attack. Remember this is a team going for 3 in a row, we have had 3 time winners in Kerry 1984-86, over 30 years since that happened. Tyrone downed kerry going for 3 in a  row in 2008

Tyrone could win if they actually left more forwards up, And i start Meyler, and move Donnelly to midfield,and maybe play O`Neill or McCurry up beside Bradley

Have you been watching Tyrone this year?  There is no reason for Tyrone to tactically change anything that they are doing.

I was thinking the same. Playing Bradley on his own is not isolating him. When has he ever had the ball without support? His main role is to create the space for runners from deep and he does it brilliantly as well as managing to stay relevant in the attack to pick off scores himself. Tyrone don't kick long balls into him a la Monaghan yesterday. Sticking another man in there doesn't help the game plan and is not needed. Unlike other teams Tyrone, on the break, get players forward in front of the ball not just off the shoulder. Look at the movement of Mulgrew for his scores as an example of this. For me the only way to play against Tyrone is to get a few points in front and sit back, like Mayo did last year. Mimic what we are doing and have the patience to frustrate Tyrone's counter attack by not committing everyone to tag their man or follow the players back. This reduces the effectiveness of the quick break. I don't think Dublin are set up to do this, they commit to attack, will push up and that will play right into our hands. I hope!

Bradley's role is a thankless task but very important to the setup.  Big Sean has a marauding role as far as I can make out and often is that extra forward at different stages of the game.

Yup, I think Bradley deserves immense credit this year. What he does up front is extremely selfless, he'll always have his limitations due to his size but he's got a great attitude and is having a brilliant season so far. I think sometimes he's not efficient enough in front of the posts but he had three chances yesterday and he took them all, he'll need to repeat that again when we play Dublin.

McGeary and McCann will come under threat for Dublin but I'd expect the other 13 will definitely start.

Aidan McCrory bound to be under threat also.  Very poor on Saturday.  If tyrone want to win an all ireland he needs to be sitting on the bench at the very most

There is more chance of Aiden sitting on the bench than Arlene Foster leading the next Pride event in Belfast. Aiden is solid and predictable, he doesn't lose the ball a lot or make a lot of mistakes. However, he doesn't do a whole pile either. He's a strange one. I am struggling to think of one standout bit of play from the last two matches. He's not an out and out marker and doesn't do a whole pile moving forward.

This is not meant as a slight on the man or footballer, rather a constructive criticism. I really can't see why a younger, more dynamic footballer couldn't get a shot in the corner. Surely someone like Rory Brennan would be ideal. He's dependable, good defender and also would contribute a whole pile more to the attack.

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
There is more chance of Aiden sitting on the bench than Arlene Foster leading the next Pride event in Belfast. Aiden is solid and predictable, he doesn't lose the ball a lot or make a lot of mistakes. However, he doesn't do a whole pile either. He's a strange one. I am struggling to think of one standout bit of play from the last two matches. He's not an out and out marker and doesn't do a whole pile moving forward.

This is not meant as a slight on the man or footballer, rather a constructive criticism. I really can't see why a younger, more dynamic footballer couldn't get a shot in the corner. Surely someone like Rory Brennan would be ideal. He's dependable, good defender and also would contribute a whole pile more to the attack.

For some of the first half he was actually standing in the corner forward position, I think he was given a man marking role maybe and tha'ts where his marker took him.

As a Dublin fan I'm worried about the semi final, for 2 years now I've told herself that I think Tyrone are the only team capable of beating Dublin, i hope I'm wrong or she'll tear into me in 3 weeks time

It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

Johnny copper was regularly holding on to mc manus off the ball, a couple  of times right in front of the referee, yet he did nothing.
McMahon, then moved on to him and did similar

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

Lane is the worst I've seen as he seems to he have a serious grudge against Ulster sides.

His performance in the Galway Derry game two years is the most biased I've ever seen in an intercounty match.

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Do tyrone get penalised for this system of tackling though? I don't recall off hand. If there's no foul (which their almost always isnt), then there should be no free.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:15:52 AM
Do tyrone get penalised for this system of tackling though? I don't recall off hand. If there's no foul (which their almost always isnt), then there should be no free.

Yes but that rule doesnt apply when the Dubs are playing.
All bets are off and refs conveniently ignore rules or make up their own to penalise opposing teams

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:16:51 AM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:15:52 AM
Do tyrone get penalised for this system of tackling though? I don't recall off hand. If there's no foul (which their almost always isnt), then there should be no free.

Yes but that rule doesnt apply when the Dubs are playing.
All bets are off and refs conveniently ignore rules or make up their own to penalise opposing teams

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Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2017, 11:37:34 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Did you actually watch the Dublin game?

He blew Monaghan at every opportunity and ignored many indiscretions by the Dubs (Cooper for example)

Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2017, 11:37:34 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Lane did Dublin's bidding for them on Saturday.

Yet another Dub holocaust denier.

Referees favour your side, just try and be honest with the forum.

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2017, 11:37:34 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Did you actually watch the Dublin game?

He blew Monaghan at every opportunity and ignored many indiscretions by the Dubs (Cooper for example)

No self respecting Dublin fan would say anything other then Cooper made a meal of it . There was contact but it was minimal . Monaghan statistically this year have conceded a lot of frees . Also when you consistently give the ball to the opposition all the time you invite frees as players get tired . Monaghan had a very negative game plan and haven't the speed on the counterattack to play like that in CP.
The manager has done a great job and extracted as much as he could .2 Ulster titles is a great return off a pretty average group of players

Again teams that are good enough don't point out referees beforehand . Is it a case Tyrone are getting their excuses in early ?

The boys on TSG were talking about top 3. Dubs Kerry and Rosary United. The case is as yet unproven. Mayo might have something to say yet. We don't know how Tyrone's jungle marching ant defence will get on in a real match. We don't know if they will miss a target man.

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Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Lane did Dublin's bidding for them on Saturday.

Yet another Dub holocaust denier.

Referees favour your side, just try and be honest with the forum.

When you were good enough you didn't look for excuses beforehand . let's hope your team somehow have more cojones for battle then you

Dublin HAVE all of these advantages:

The best team
The best squad
The best resources
The best facilities
The biggest support
Home games
Advantages brought by home advantage such as getting 50/50 calls from refs, less travel to games
Best access to the media as they are all based in Dublin - use this to their advantage as they see fit
Best access to RTE as they are based in Dublin - use this to their advantage as they see fit
Best access to GAA HQ as it is based in Dublin - use this to their advantage as they see fit

At the minute everything is loaded in their favour and it take an exceptional performance to beat them but as Mayo (almost did it), Kerry and Donegal have shown recently it is possible.

Quote from: The Trap on August 07, 2017, 12:03:19 PM
Dublin HAVE all of these advantages:

The best team

You could have stopped there.

Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

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Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Did you actually watch the Dublin game?

He blew Monaghan at every opportunity and ignored many indiscretions by the Dubs (Cooper for example)

No self respecting Dublin fan would say anything other then Cooper made a meal of it . There was contact but it was minimal . Monaghan statistically this year have conceded a lot of frees . Also when you consistently give the ball to the opposition all the time you invite frees as players get tired . Monaghan had a very negative game plan and haven't the speed on the counterattack to play like that in CP.
The manager has done a great job and extracted as much as he could .2 Ulster titles is a great return off a pretty average group of players

Again teams that are good enough don't point out referees beforehand . Is it a case Tyrone are getting their excuses in early ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-five-things-dublin-need-to-do-to-beat-mayo-35077725.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-five-things-dublin-need-to-do-to-beat-mayo-35077725.html)

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/lee-keegan-is-conceding-his-footballing-ability-by-pulling-out-of-connolly-former-dublin-star-calls-for-fair-play-35081716.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/lee-keegan-is-conceding-his-footballing-ability-by-pulling-out-of-connolly-former-dublin-star-calls-for-fair-play-35081716.html)

Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

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Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

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Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

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Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

Were you there?

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Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 12:33:44 PM

Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

Were you there?

He did a name check on every Tyrone supporter at the game and a further one on those involved in the boxing, was a busy man!

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Quote from: sid waddell on August 07, 2017, 12:42:24 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 12:33:44 PM

Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

Were you there?

No I stayed over. But I saw them on Snapchat stories singing songs that have nothing to do with the game.

Will be interesting to see what narrative the Dubs in the media will be given to see if they can affect the game, the think tank will be working hard over the next couple of weeks.

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Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:08:02 AM

Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
It will be a game for the ages and one that I doubt we will come out the right side of.
The biggest factor will be the referee.

On Saturday we got plenty from the referee - thought he was harsh on Armagh although maybe I was feeling sorry for them given the hammering they were taking. All the 50/50 calls went our way.

The Dublin media & pundits will go into overdrive in the lead up to this to plant seeds in his head about our tackiling

A refereeing performance like Lane on Saturday would screw us. He was blowing Monaghan up on everything while letting Dublin away with much more aggression and hands on Monaghan players.

I think Coldrick or Gough are the only referees you'd currently trust to apply things in a consistent manner.

I dont think it is exclusive to Lane though Bomber.

Every game the Dubs play there seems to be 'hometown' decisions.

Our tackling is really first class but if we get penalised for it because we are playing the Dubs we are in serious bother

Lane has never been a good ref for Dublin . Teams like Tyrone blame referees because they haven't been good enough in recent years .

Lane did Dublin's bidding for them on Saturday.

Yet another Dub holocaust denier.

Referees favour your side, just try and be honest with the forum.

When you were good enough you didn't look for excuses beforehand . let's hope your team somehow have more cojones for battle then you

Only calling it as it is Indiana.

You would do well to do the same but doubt you have the cojones to do that.

Stay in denial

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Quote from: sid waddell on August 07, 2017, 12:42:24 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 12:33:44 PM

Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

Were you there?

No I stayed over. But I saw them on Snapchat stories singing songs that have nothing to do with the game.

What are you? The song police?

Quote from: screenexile on August 05, 2017, 11:53:05 PM
Tyrone's system is very good at snuffing out teams who rely on a particular forward, or even 2... McManus, Clarke, McBrearty & Murphy.

Dublin have 6 forwards already who are class then McManamon, Brogan, Flynn, Costello and of course Connolly to come in.

Finally the inbred upstarts from over the mountain will be put back in their box and Saint Mickey can head for the seminary. . . for everyone's sake!

Must be "bitterly" cold up in Londonderry, wi no football te watch, this time a the year sir  ;D  lmao

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A Jayop don't start that shite. I don't think any ref goes out with that attitude.

Syf, o know this is new territory for you but when your team is still in the last eight. Relax.
Enjoy it
No need to resort to default and slag off everyone.
You seem to have anger management issues.
I really hope ye get through to the semis, not for selfish reasons

I don't know what's insulting about stating what almost all neutrals think will happen. But keep doing what you're doing and convincing yourself it's me that looks petty.

If anything it's sad to see Cavanagh go. One of the best of his generation.

Is it f**k, Cavanagh is the softest big man in gaa history, there is no honour in lying down feigning hurt, the man mastered that discipline, comparwd to McGrane or Tohill he is a disgrace, he is a diving cheating b**tard in the harte mode,  C'mon the Dubs.

Jees lad, hope you wiped your mouth after spewing out all that bile ... do ye feel better now diddums  ::)  ffs  lmao

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Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

Were you there?

No I stayed over. But I saw them on Snapchat stories singing songs that have nothing to do with the game.

What are you? The song police?

When its my name as a GAA fan being dragged through the mud by the media (particularly Unionist) then yes, I have a right to be annoyed. Jamie Bryson is having a field day with this.

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Quote from: sid waddell on August 07, 2017, 12:42:24 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 12:33:44 PM

Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on August 07, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
Dubs will win easy.  Who will the Tyrone fans fight on the way home?

These people were not "fans".  Fans of the rip yes, but you wouldn't see them near a game before July.

How do you know they're not fans?

I've seen fights in the crowd at O'Byrne Cup games, National League games and club games.

And plenty worse on the pitch.

Because I know many of the ones who partook in it and they don't be at league games or early championship for that matter.

Were you there?

No I stayed over. But I saw them on Snapchat stories singing songs that have nothing to do with the game.

What are you? The song police?

When its my name as a GAA fan being dragged through the mud by the media (particularly Unionist) then yes, I have a right to be annoyed. Jamie Bryson is having a field day with this.

But GAA fans fight all the time. GAA players fight all the time.

And really, who cares.

People fight all the time.

And some, like Linfield fans, fire bottles.

Its going to be great craic with Jim Gavin and Mickey Harte both giving RTE the cold shoulder leading up to this game.

There's a Dublin page claiming tickets are on general sale tomorrow on the website and in Centra and Supervalu. Can't see this anywhere else and no mention on the tickets website itself.
Anyone know anything?

way too early for tickets i think

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 08, 2017, 12:08:31 AM
way too early for tickets i think

That's what i would have thought. Didnt think general sale would have been for another week at least

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Quote from: screenexile on August 05, 2017, 11:53:05 PM
Tyrone's system is very good at snuffing out teams who rely on a particular forward, or even 2... McManus, Clarke, McBrearty & Murphy.

Dublin have 6 forwards already who are class then McManamon, Brogan, Flynn, Costello and of course Connolly to come in.

Finally the inbred upstarts from over the mountain will be put back in their box and Saint Mickey can head for the seminary. . . for everyone's sake!

Must be "bitterly" cold up in Londonderry, wi no football te watch, this time a the year sir  ;D  lmao

Ahnow Ahnowref no call for that

Tho Tyrone must be pretty good at snuffing out teams that dont have any forwards too as displayed in their championship opener.

Was looking forward to reading Jim's article in the Irish Times this week and again he doesn't let me down.
I agree that MH tactics have brought us to the table with at least a realistic chance of beating the Dubs but only time will tell.
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Jim McGuinness: D-Day for Tyrone as Harte prepares real questions for Dublin
The champions have yet to be tested but that's about to change and there's no guarantee they have the answers

Dublin's Paul Mannion in action against  Drew Wylie of Monaghan during the  All-Ireland SFC quarter-final at Croke Park. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
Dublin's Paul Mannion in action against Drew Wylie of Monaghan during the All-Ireland SFC quarter-final at Croke Park. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho

Jim McGuinness
51 minutes ago
     
You could see Dublin's intentions clearly in the first 30 seconds of Saturday's quarter-final. Paul Mannion took a very good score off his left foot. He's a very good player with pace, agility and confidence, which isn't a great combination for any opposition corner back but what caught my eye was how quickly the ball was moved in the opening seconds.

There was no solo or hop needed. It was very clear that Dublin weren't going to take the ball into contact – just move it first time, every time and don't give a defensive team like Monaghan what they need, which is the opportunity to tackle and turn the ball over.

You could see their game plan immediately, including defensively. Monaghan kicked the ball in for their opening attack and Philly McMahon bats it down and Jonny Cooper sweeps it up. It was a three versus two situation for Dublin. As the game progressed Cian O'Sullivan also played that role, which he's been doing for the past couple of campaigns.

It is clear that Dublin have refined a game plan based on what's been going on in football over the past couple of years and taken it to a high level.

They have defenders who would probably be able to hold their own one-on-one against most forwards anyway but they also have the safety net of a tried and practised sweeper system operated by intelligent players like O'Sullivan and Cooper, who know where exactly they should be and have the ability to mark space.

The other interesting thing for me was the extent to which Dublin went zonal on the Monaghan kick-out. This isn't a new tactic but Dublin decided to push four players into the full-forward line and three in the half-forward line. It forced Monaghan to go long but for me it didn't work.


Four is a lot to push into the full-forward line and once or twice Rory Beggan clipped the ball over the four of them into that pocket between the 20 and 45 and Monaghan got out with the ball. That tactic got them out two or three times and that's a lot of bodies for Dublin to have committed to that area of the field if you're not going to win possession.

It changed because Monaghan decided they were going to go long anyway and that was when Dublin really took control in the middle of the park.

It was interesting stuff from Jim Gavin even if it didn't work.

With Tyrone in mind, this could be risky. Obviously if you have seven pushed up, you've only seven at the back and a 'keeper like Niall Morgan who can pick out a long pass over the top and take out seven and maybe eight opposition players.

If you've got the right players in the middle of the park, you've got a situation where a team could get at them and maybe score goals. It will be interesting to see if Dublin persist with that tactic in the semi-final.

Like Galway the previous week, Monaghan conceded the kick-outs. I mentioned last week the importance for teams to try to jolt more highly-rated opponents off course, making them think differently and even to alter their game plan if possible.

But if you're going to hand these teams their kick-out, they're simply going to be able to go through their routines and processes. You had the situation where Stephen Cluxton was able to kick the ball out over a Monaghan player and into the hands of a team-mate running into space.

Dublin players continued to get ahead of the ball: four uncontested passes and the ball ends up over the bar at the other end.


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The other big battleground was discipline and fouls, particularly fouls around the 45 – in Dean Rock's case – or more generally, inside the 45. Monaghan conceded five points from frees in the first half.

Between uncontested kick-outs and indiscipline Monaghan conceded six points in the first half. Subtract that from the half-time score of 0-11 to 0-3 and it's a lot more manageable.

They're the kind of percentages that Mickey Harte will be looking at in the next three weeks: how can they keep the game incredibly tight and competitive and also bring enough to the table themselves so that they can really ask questions of Dublin?

Like Galway, Monaghan decided they were going to play 13 or14 behind the ball. Also like Galway they decided to give up the middle and first third and set up defensively along the 45. This is a concept I struggle with, to be honest.

In certain situations and in certain games, yes; there is potential for that tactic. But I would ask why a team can't do both.

Why can't you be very aggressive, purposeful and intent on stopping the opposition building the play while they transition?

And at the same time while you have two or three players exerting real pressure trying to force errors and turnovers, the other players are dovetailing back and making sure you have the defensive shape you want along the 45.

Why can't your full forwards be hassling and harrying with the odd half forward joining in and the other half forwards dropping back with one midfielder joining in and the other falling back? Six along the 45 and you've got defensive shape but you've also got energy, intensity and pressure on the ball.

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other.


Dublin are managing to run the ball up the field with their heads up and looking for options because they've nothing else to bother them. If you want to knock Dublin off their perch, psychologically ruffling them is a prerequisite.

There's also a difference between a packed defence and a proactive packed defence, playing with the necessary intensity.

Jack McCaffrey kicked Dublin's sixth point and it was a classic example of what we used to call in Donegal the 'hope you miss' attitude. He got around four or five players but they were hoping he wouldn't score rather than throwing everything at him trying to make sure that he didn't.

I believe that Tyrone believe they are good enough. Mickey Harte will be fully aware of the tactical requirements and the aggression and ruthlessness needed to take Dublin on in the semi-final.

If you do – and this is an important point – bring all of those things to the table, all you get is the opportunity to compete with the big teams. It doesn't mean that you're going to win but if you can't get even as far as that table it means you're going to lose.

I don't think Monaghan gave themselves the opportunity to compete.

Tyrone will and the positive consideration for them is that their game will suit taking on Dublin. It's predicated more on running the ball than kicking it and they do that very aggressively. If Dublin are going to go plus-one at the back, then Tyrone will be plus-one in running the ball from deep. What happens then?

Do Dublin push out to stop the overload coming from deep or look to keep the numbers at the back to protect your full-back line? This game could get very interesting.

With Mickey Harte working on it for the next few weeks, questions will be asked.


The big one is, have the Dublin forwards the ability to play under extreme pressure? I'm not so sure. I suspect that some of the old failings are there under the surface but very few teams are able to take Dublin to places where these questions get asked. On the very few occasions that Monaghan got any meaningful pressure on the Dublin forwards, they missed.

The big question for Tyrone is whether we are getting a proper read on Dublin. The difference between the teams will be that one is going for a three-in-a-row whereas the others are pretenders with the dynamic of a young team going in as underdogs.

They're hungry and double Ulster champions and outsiders. It's really set up for them. All the talk leading up to the weekend was about the hurt of last year so they go in with a focus of wanting to take these guys down and I think that attitude better suits a defensive team than one trying to play their way through.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong and Dublin have fully morphed into a team that is very comfortable facing a packed defence but the truth is we don't know.

There's something not adding up when you have a player like James McCarthy able to run more or less wherever he wants with hardly a finger being laid on him and you have passages of play where possession is kept for an uninterrupted minute. In an All-Ireland quarter-final where if you lose, you're out!

You need extraordinary conviction to take on the top teams as well as the right tactics.

The one thing we can guarantee with Mickey Harte is that he will be excellent at squeezing the percentages. The big question is can they drag Dublin into a brawl? Can they create enough energy to jolt them off course and disrupt their natural patterns? Ultimately can they force Dublin to play another way?


If the answer to those questions is yes and they bring their kicking boots we could be in for the game of the season.

Remember though that any time Dublin have been dragged into a scrap in the past number of seasons, they have always ended up on the right side of the result. So if everything runs to form something will have to give.

Please behave when visiting the capital to play at the home of the champions and greatest team of all time. Start drinking after the match if you lot cant handle it.

Tyrone very impressive v Armagh, good attacking style with lots of possession, looking at both games live it looked like both Dublin and Tyrone have similar styles of play that could either make it a good attacking game of ball or an absolute stalemate , will only be a couple of points either way for this one, maybe  a draw. Tyrone are the biggest threat to Dublin in years.

Quote from: TheGreatest on August 08, 2017, 08:13:36 AM
Please behave when visiting the capital to play at the home of the champions and greatest team of all time. Start drinking after the match if you lot cant handle it.

Tyrone very impressive v Armagh, good attacking style with lots of possession, looking at both games live it looked like both Dublin and Tyrone have similar styles of play that could either make it a good attacking game of ball or an absolute stalemate , will only be a couple of points either way for this one, maybe  a draw. Tyrone are the biggest threat to Dublin in years.

We promise not to drink until after the game as long as you share your marching powder with us?

Most interesting part of McGuinness's article:

QuoteThe big one is, have the Dublin forwards the ability to play under extreme pressure? I'm not so sure. I suspect that some of the old failings are there under the surface but very few teams are able to take Dublin to places where these questions get asked. On the very few occasions that Monaghan got any meaningful pressure on the Dublin forwards, they missed.

It seems he thinks a few of our forwards are of the windy variety.

In our recent games v Tyrone, my recollection is that they made our forward play look very ordinary, running into cul-de-sacs, and running out of ideas. But Tyrone's forwards weren't good enough to take advantage so we still didn't lose.

There is, of course, a difference between league and championship. But also I think it's clear Tyrone are better now than the teams we played in the league encounters. They've found a position for Harte that really showcases his abilities (never liked his as a centre half back).

Colm Cavanaugh was down a couple of times in the second half on Saturday with a sore back, and didn't look good at all going off. I'd guess it's an injury he's been managing rather than something that just came on. Be very important to get him fit and ready for the 70 minutes.

I reckon there'll be one change to the starting Dublin team with either Flynn or Connolly coming into the half forward line. Hopefully it's Connolly. 

One thing that always confuses me is the notion that if you're level with Dublin with 15 mins to go you've a great chance.

I mean look at Kerry (league final) and Donegal in 2014. They both streaked away from Dublin tin the 3rd quarter and held on in the last 10-15 mins. More Kerry than Donegal granted.

But this notion that Dublin are there for the taking in the last 15 mins belongs in the Pillar days.

With the firepower Dublin have to bring on, I'd be quite confident if it's level with 15 to go.

I'd go so far as to say for Tyrone to win, they'd need to be 4-6 points up with 15 to go.

Quote from: Buttofthehill on August 08, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
One thing that always confuses me is the notion that if you're level with Dublin with 15 mins to go you've a great chance.

I mean look at Kerry (league final) and Donegal in 2014. They both streaked away from Dublin tin the 3rd quarter and held on in the last 10-15 mins. More Kerry than Donegal granted.

But this notion that Dublin are there for the taking in the last 15 mins belongs in the Pillar days.

With the firepower Dublin have to bring on, I'd be quite confident if it's level with 15 to go.

I'd go so far as to say for Tyrone to win, they'd need to be 4-6 points up with 15 to go.

Weren't Dublin 7 points or so up on Mayo going into the last 10 or 15 minutes in 2015?

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2017, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: Buttofthehill on August 08, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
One thing that always confuses me is the notion that if you're level with Dublin with 15 mins to go you've a great chance.

I mean look at Kerry (league final) and Donegal in 2014. They both streaked away from Dublin tin the 3rd quarter and held on in the last 10-15 mins. More Kerry than Donegal granted.

But this notion that Dublin are there for the taking in the last 15 mins belongs in the Pillar days.

With the firepower Dublin have to bring on, I'd be quite confident if it's level with 15 to go.

I'd go so far as to say for Tyrone to win, they'd need to be 4-6 points up with 15 to go.

Weren't Dublin 7 points or so up on Mayo going into the last 10 or 15 minutes against Dublin in 2015?

True. Momentum!

That was Brian Fenton's first season as a regular starter, and he'd been solid up to that, but had a super day that day. Then Gavin took him off in what I believe was a substitution pre-planned before the start. Every manager makes mistakes, and for me that was Gavin's biggest and he was blessed to get away with it. Mayo put the brakes on when they got level. (Although someone told me recently that Jack McCaffrey did a brilliant interception or turnover when it was level that gained us proper possession for the first time in an age which allowed us to get to the final whistle, so I must check that out at some stage).

If Dublin v Tyrone is close going into the final 10 minutes, I won't be counting any chickens!   

False modesty?

Tyrone the only team capable of stoppin dublin but 3 in a row almost inevitable imo

There's absolutely no pressure on Tyrone here. They are 3rd or 4th favourites against the greatest team to play the game. This game could be another 10 point win for Dublin or Tyrone might get closer but realistically Tyrone need 1 more year to win these types of games again.

Quote from: Buttofthehill on August 08, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
One thing that always confuses me is the notion that if you're level with Dublin with 15 mins to go you've a great chance.

I think you're better off being behind but within striking distance against Dublin coming into the home strait.

Dublin have a tendency to concede a glut of scores in a short space of time in big matches.

In fact they've done it in every semi-final since 2012 inclusive.

But they obviously have a tendency to get a glut of scores themselves when they have momentum.

Mayo in the 2015 and 2016 draws had Dublin right where they wanted them but didn't put their foot on Dublin's throat when they should have done.

Tickets on sale at the minute, massive queues to get in.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 09, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
Tickets on sale at the minute, massive queues to get in.

I got in nice and early....5 min wait was all. Should be a cracker

Sold out.....for now at least. Though I do imagine that this will eventually be a sell out given the likely hype beforehand and the possibility that many people believe we could see the end of an era with the Dubs getting beaten. 

For the love of all that is holy change the thread name to something else.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 09, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
For the love of all that is holy change the thread name to something else.

+1

Got my ticket.

Dispelling the Defensive Tyrone Myth (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/time-dispel-myths-tyrone-133050)

Especially for Zulu, who'd rather see us adopt a "high-risk passing strategy", apparently, and probably uniquely in global sport, ie, being reckless with ball possession! :P  :-\

Will Connolly start this match, I'm not sure that it would be the wise thing to do to throw him straight into the cauldron of an AI semi final against a Tyrone side who I expect to bring an intensity level not seen since Donegal 2012 vintage. Although if they are going to play him it may be wiser starting him and bringing him off after 40/45 minutes than throwing him in at the deep end when the game is in the melting pot with 20 minutes to go. Kerry made that mistake with Galvin in an AI final against Tyrone and he was clearly well off match pace.

I expect scores to be at a premium in this match and the best guide as to the pattern the game will take is the league match between the 2 sides earlier this year. Tyrone made it difficult for Dublin to get shots off never mind get scores and really should have won the match. Harte has built his whole gameplan for this very day and I expect it to bear fruits in the semi final since he now has the line breakers and athletes in the middle 8 to cause Dublin real damage on the break. At some point Dublin will come up against a hungrier side playing with the manic aggression that will be required to beat them and I think Tyrone will be that side in the semi final. The only nagging doubt is whether they have the quality of player needed but I think they have dispelled that this season with the scores that they have been putting up. 

Quote from: ziggysego on August 09, 2017, 01:24:56 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 09, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
For the love of all that is holy change the thread name to something else.

+1

Got my ticket.

Good man. Dubs going mad about losing out this morning amid the fiasco over when they were actually going on sale. Caught on the hop by eager Tyronies

Anyone know how often tickets are released, where you hear first?? Gaa.ie love the queues.......! Cheers

Quote from: yellowcard on August 09, 2017, 01:37:10 PM
Will Connolly start this match, I'm not sure that it would be the wise thing to do to throw him straight into the cauldron of an AI semi final against a Tyrone side who I expect to bring an intensity level not seen since Donegal 2012 vintage. Although if they are going to play him it may be wiser starting him and bringing him off after 40/45 minutes than throwing him in at the deep end when the game is in the melting pot with 20 minutes to go. Kerry made that mistake with Galvin in an AI final against Tyrone and he was clearly well off match pace.

Assuming no curve ball thrown, I think there are 14 starters nailed on for Dublin. Remaining position between Lowndes, Scully, Flynn and Connolly. Pretty sure Lowndes will be the one named, but may or may not be the one to start.

While I can see the sense in holding Connolly back until the last 20/25 minutes, when the game has (probably) opened up a bit more, the potential downside is he tries too hard to make an immediate impact. So personally, I'd start him and see how he goes. 

Speaking of Galvin, Kerry also did that in the 2011 final. In a pre-planned move, they brought him on after 25 minutes, even though they were ahead and Kieran O'Leary had started fine. Poor decision.

I see the All Ireland U17 final has been added to the schedule of matches along with the minor semi Dub v Derry, for the 27th . Hopefully Tyrone can make it through tonight then.

People give out about the GAA's deal with Sky, but it's Ticketmaster who they should cut all ties with.

Go on to Ticketmaster now looking for Dublin v Tyrone tickets, and you are directed to a page stating the following:

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So Ticketmaster have given part of their allocation to their Official Touting Arm, so they can gouge fans!

Good point Hound, a f**king disgrace! :(

Wonder will translink run trains to this 1.

An absolute disgrace, the GAA should acknowledge this and tackle the issue immediately. Saw this on Twitter earlier. Four tickets in lower Hogan for €1415, FFS!

https://twitter.com/stephen88ty/status/895298733231022080?s=09

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2017, 01:35:45 PM
Dispelling the Defensive Tyrone Myth (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/time-dispel-myths-tyrone-133050)

Especially for Zulu, who'd rather see us adopt a "high-risk passing strategy", apparently, and probably uniquely in global sport, ie, being reckless with ball possession! :P  :-\

Ah Fear, if you're using Conan Doherty to support you're argument then you're lost! Besides he's little diagrams show 14 Tyrone men in their own half when the other team have the ball, if that's not excessively defensive I don't know what is. If you Tyrone men enjoy seeing 14 men in their own half while their opponents hand pass it around trying to break it down and when turned over Tyrone run forward doing a hand passing drill more power to you!! A fast hand passing move can be great to watch but if that's all you have it gets boring very quick, especially when you have so many men back your opponents can't kick it either.

I might be proved wrong but I strongly suspect Tyrone have racked up big scores due the weakness of their opponents more than their own strength. Tyrone are certainly a fine team with a number of exceptional players but Dublin won't be turned over as easily as your opponents to date and they won't be torn wide open for easy scores on the break. I expect Tyrone to suffer the fate of every team that played too defensively against Dublin in the past few years. The only teams to beat or really threaten to beat Dublin in the past few years were Kerry and Mayo who played far more conventionally than Tyrone do.

Quote from: Zulu on August 09, 2017, 05:35:22 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2017, 01:35:45 PM
Dispelling the Defensive Tyrone Myth (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/time-dispel-myths-tyrone-133050)

Especially for Zulu, who'd rather see us adopt a "high-risk passing strategy", apparently, and probably uniquely in global sport, ie, being reckless with ball possession! :P  :-\

Ah Fear, if you're using Conan Doherty to support you're argument then you're lost! Besides he's little diagrams show 14 Tyrone men in their own half when the other team have the ball, if that's not excessively defensive I don't know what is. If you Tyrone men enjoy seeing 14 men in their own half while their opponents hand pass it around trying to break it down and when turned over Tyrone run forward doing a hand passing drill more power to you!! A fast hand passing move can be great to watch but if that's all you have it gets boring very quick, especially when you have so many men back your opponents can't kick it either.

I might be proved wrong but I strongly suspect Tyrone have racked up big scores due the weakness of their opponents more than their own strength. Tyrone are certainly a fine team with a number of exceptional players but Dublin won't be turned over as easily as your opponents to date and they won't be torn wide open for easy scores on the break. I expect Tyrone to suffer the fate of every team that played too defensively against Dublin in the past few years. The only teams to beat or really threaten to beat Dublin in the past few years were Kerry and Mayo who played far more conventionally than Tyrone do.

Tyrone have generally been kicking the ball a bit more this year, in fairness. Not as often against Armagh though.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGU-fy5UQAAaA4y.jpg)

This is a map of where Derry, Donegal and Down had shots from play versus Tyrone in the first half of championship games this year according to Dont Foul.

A total of 28 shots from play with 9 being converted (that's in 105 minutes of play)

It's not as if Tyrone were relying on fouls all that much because the opposition only scored 0-6 from deadballs across these three halves.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGeh5RvXgAAbWXj.jpg)

These are the stats from half-time in the Armagh Tyrone game.

Armagh had scored 0-4 in the first half with 0-2 coming from play and 0-2 coming from deadballs.
Armagh had 10 scoring chances from play converting just 2 of them.
Tyrone conceded 4 frees (I'm not sure how many of these were scoreable frees but Armagh did get a return of 0-2) from them.

If you add Armagh's 10 scoring chances from play to Don't Fouls figures from the graphic above it goes from 28 shots with 9 converted to 38 shots with 11 converted over 140 minutes of football.

Over the 4 games Tyrone have played in the championship this year, their defensive performance in the first half has been freakishly identical.

Derry 0-5
Down 0-5
Donegal 0-5
Armagh 0-4

A key part of their defensive performances in the first half is keeping the scores conceded from deadballs as low as possible.

The following is what Tyrone's opposition scored from deadballs (including 45s)  in these 4 first halves.

Derry 0-3
Down 0-1
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

The following is what Tyrone's opposition scored from play in these 4 first halves.

Derry 0-2
Down 0-4
Donegal 0-3
Armagh 0-3

This is just phenomenally impressive defending.

They did give up some goal chances in these halves - McHugh had a chance for Donegal and O'Hanlon had a chance for Derry [neither of them even hit the target] , there might be one or two others but I'm struggling to recall them.

Obviously defending is only part of the equation, it all counts for naught if you don't get scores at the other end. So far Tyrone have been managing the transition from defence to attack and getting scores well.

The big question is how close they can come to replicating this sort of defensive performance against Dublin, and whether they can do it without weakening their attack.

I haven't seen a huge amount of Tyrone so maybe I've caught their worst games! While I really don't like teams getting too many bodies back (far too common in the modern game) as it's brutal for the spectacle, my main gripe is that it isn't successful. I think Tyrone would have beaten any team they played thus far playing pretty much any system they wanted to. However, the massed defence, while still effective, is being broken down by the best teams by holding possession and probing which is awful to watch. I hope I'm wrong and Dublin/Tyrone is the monster game we all hope it will be but I fear it will be a terrible spectacle.

There were online queues for tickets for the Armagh game when they first went on sale  as well.

A guy was tellng me he sat for an hour before he gave up......More fool him

There were loads of tickets available online  on the Thursday and Friday lesding up  to the game and not bad ones either. I ll be picking mine up online on The Friday before the game and i ll not be sitting in any queue!!!

Nice post Twohands. The O'Hanlon goal chance came from a lot shot thst hit the post and fell very kindly for the down player to lay off to O'Hanlon. That wasn't really a case of the system being broken down. My big worry is McHugh's chance, this came about following Colly Cavanagh making an uncharacteristic mistake missing a high ball in defence which allowed Murphy to play Ryan through on goal.

Dublin will be looking to bypass the screen as quickly as possible I feel and it wouldn't surprise me to see O'Gara replace Andrews in the FF to win long , early ball.

Going to be a fascinating encounter.

Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2017, 06:30:52 PM
There were online queues for tickets for the Armagh game when they first went on sale  as well.

A guy was tellng me he sat for an hour before he gave up......More fool him

There were loads of tickets available online  on the Thursday and Friday lesding up  to the game and not bad ones either. I ll be picking mine up online on The Friday before the game and i ll not be sitting in any queue!!!

The semi final involving Dublin usually involves higher demand than the quarter finals. I don't think many tickets became available for Kerry game late last year. I'd say there will be another online allocation but it might not last long.

Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2017, 06:30:52 PM
There were online queues for tickets for the Armagh game when they first went on sale  as well.

A guy was tellng me he sat for an hour before he gave up......More fool him

There were loads of tickets available online  on the Thursday and Friday lesding up  to the game and not bad ones either. I ll be picking mine up online on The Friday before the game and i ll not be sitting in any queue!!!

Good luck with that.

Guaranteed borefest - both teams will defend deep when not in possession, walk the ball to halfway after it has been kicked wide, hand pass or kick short ad nausea as they probe for space - dubs 2 minute soccer style build up to McCarthys point - and repeat over and over with occasional turnovers leading to brief instances of high intensity play - very brief!! Then the final 7-10 mins will see both of them decide to try and go for it!!
And based on league positions at start of year Tyrone have had a harder run to this stage - derry, div2, donegal div1, down div2, Armagh div3..
Versus Dublin - Carlow div4, w-Meath div4, Kildare div2 and Monaghan div1 - so how good are Dublin?

Quote from: bigloudmouth on August 09, 2017, 11:45:55 PM
Guaranteed borefest - both teams will defend deep when not in possession, walk the ball to halfway after it has been kicked wide, hand pass or kick short ad nausea as they probe for space - dubs 2 minute soccer style build up to McCarthys point - and repeat over and over with occasional turnovers leading to brief instances of high intensity play - very brief!! Then the final 7-10 mins will see both of them decide to try and go for it!!
And based on league positions at start of year Tyrone have had a harder run to this stage - derry, div2, donegal div1, down div2, Armagh div3..
Versus Dublin - Carlow div4, w-Meath div4, Kildare div2 and Monaghan div1 - so how good are Dublin?

Double all Ireland champions that's how good . Our pedigree is proven - yours isn't .
Tyrone have played nobody yet . Building a fine team but Dublin won't allow Tyrone space on the counter attack

Quote from: bigloudmouth on August 09, 2017, 11:45:55 PM
Guaranteed borefest - both teams will defend deep when not in possession, walk the ball to halfway after it has been kicked wide, hand pass or kick short ad nausea as they probe for space - dubs 2 minute soccer style build up to McCarthys point - and repeat over and over with occasional turnovers leading to brief instances of high intensity play - very brief!! Then the final 7-10 mins will see both of them decide to try and go for it!!
And based on league positions at start of year Tyrone have had a harder run to this stage - derry, div2, donegal div1, down div2, Armagh div3..
Versus Dublin - Carlow div4, w-Meath div4, Kildare div2 and Monaghan div1 - so how good are Dublin?

There should be a mandated release of the ball to the other side after 5 phases that go nowhere
Fuball could learn a lot from other sports

There is great excitement among gaa fans here in Dublin with everyone intrigued and excited by the upcoming game. Most of the Dubs I've been talking to are looking forward to the challenge that Tyrone present as they feel they have dealt with everything Kerry and Mayo have thrown at them the last few years.

A lot of pundits and ex players etc have said that Dublin don't do well against a well organised defensive system that can break at speed and so this is why many are so interested in how this game pans out. If they win this game and go on to win their 3 in a row then there will be no doubt this is the best team of this era.

For those who don't like the Tyrone (and Donegal) style of football, I can understand why some might say it's negative and ugly to watch and it is quite likely Dublin will no longer kick the ball into their FF line for this game as they know it will be just giving away possession. However, if you look back over the years, when a team is very dominant then another team has to try to do something different to beat that style.
Back in 2003 in the semifinal everyone was expecting the Tyrone v Kerry game to be a great open game of football with two attack minded teams, however Mickey Harte knew his team had to do something different to get them over the line. Many neutrals complain about how Donegal brought the game to a new low back in 2011 but they did what it took to get them to come from nowhere to win a Sam Maguire.
Others from Mayo, Rosscommon, Meath, Cork and many more sit and complain but sometimes you gotta go where you don't want to go to get over the line.

I found it fascinating watching Whelan, who seems to have been held in reserve all year by TSG until these big games, analyse how Tyrone and Dublin play and he seems wary of how Dublin should not be tricked by Tyrone into their trap of pushing up and allowing them to break at speed. He more or less recommended that each team give each other the kick-outs so that the long kick out over the top doesn't leave them to exposed.

I foresee a very cagey tactical battle with neither team wanting to reveal their hand until the cavalry come on in the final 20 minutes. I expect O'Gara to be used in the first half as a decoy target man so he can maybe win the odd high ball and cause some panic and maybe get a few of our defenders ruffled and yellow carded.
I can see it a bit like the Ulster final last year where nobody will want to be too adventurous and both will hope to pick off long range scores to keep the scoreboard ticking over.
Dublin did this very well in the first half v Donegal in 2014 and I thought Dublin could win easy but when the first goal went in and the long range shots starting going wide then Dublin became fearful.

I think most Tyrone fans (with some wit) think they have a good chance to win but if Dublin click and can take their long range scores then we will come up short. Tyrone to tend to let teams shoot from outside the normal shooting range and just clog up that middle area and if they can continue to NOT give away many frees I think we have a great chance. The referee will have a huge influence on the game though and I'd fear the home crowd will influence him as they normally do but we can't control that.

Connolly no doubt will come in somewhere in the second half, whether they are losing by 5 or winning by 10 and he will get a huge welcome that will lift the whole team. It will be interesting to see what Mickey will have planned for this. I'd imagine some sort of a distraction to take away from that happening.

The wife and kids arrive home tomorrow from France and I have the red and white bunting up to welcome them. My Mayo and Kerry neighbours love it

Good analysis as always FM however I would not be as optimistic as you.

Given the space we normally allow the opposition to shot from distance I actually think Dermo will start and last to 50 odd mins.

At that stage if the Dubs are in front we will have to come out and play more which will leave space for OGara to come in and become a focal point of the long early ball into the space that Collie will have to vacate as we chase the game.

The winning & losing of this game will be IF the Dubs are in front as we come down the home stretch

Fuzzman, good post, agree with all of it. Just re Whelan, he was very ill for awhile over the summer and that's why he wasn't on the Sunday game.

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
An absolute disgrace, the GAA should acknowledge this and tackle the issue immediately. Saw this on Twitter earlier. Four tickets in lower Hogan for €1415, FFS!

https://twitter.com/stephen88ty/status/895298733231022080?s=09

If some mug wants to buy them - what can GAA do?

Quote from: punt kick on August 10, 2017, 10:56:13 AM

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
An absolute disgrace, the GAA should acknowledge this and tackle the issue immediately. Saw this on Twitter earlier. Four tickets in lower Hogan for €1415, FFS!

https://twitter.com/stephen88ty/status/895298733231022080?s=09

If some mug wants to buy them - what can GAA do?

The GAA allocated a certain amount of tickets to ticketmaster to sell. Ticketmaster have an extortionate service fee, but we have to suck that up and it's deemed fine (tickets.ie have no service charge by the way).

But ticketmaster decided that this is a big game, and they're not getting enough money out of it from the service charge. So they "sold" a number of tickets (in the '000s it seems) to their "Reseller" subsidiary Seatwave.

So when the GAA punter goes to ticketmaster, they're met with - "we don't have any tickets left, but we know someone who does, and here's a direct link to our subisidiary who will sell you the tickets for twice or 5 times or 10 times the price we were supposed to sell them at". All the extra profits goes straight to Ticketmaster/Seatwave.

So what can the gaa do? They can stop giving tickets to Ticketmaster. With tickets.ie, Supervalu and clubs, there is absolutely no need to use the gougers.

Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
Fuzzman, good post, agree with all of it. Just re Whelan, he was very ill for awhile over the summer and that's why he wasn't on the Sunday game.

Sorry to hear that. Hope he's better now.

Quote from: Hound on August 10, 2017, 01:40:28 PM

Quote from: punt kick on August 10, 2017, 10:56:13 AM

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
An absolute disgrace, the GAA should acknowledge this and tackle the issue immediately. Saw this on Twitter earlier. Four tickets in lower Hogan for €1415, FFS!

https://twitter.com/stephen88ty/status/895298733231022080?s=09

If some mug wants to buy them - what can GAA do?

The GAA allocated a certain amount of tickets to ticketmaster to sell. Ticketmaster have an extortionate service fee, but we have to suck that up and it's deemed fine (tickets.ie have no service charge by the way).

But ticketmaster decided that this is a big game, and they're not getting enough money out of it from the service charge. So they "sold" a number of tickets (in the '000s it seems) to their "Reseller" subsidiary Seatwave.

So when the GAA punter goes to ticketmaster, they're met with - "we don't have any tickets left, but we know someone who does, and here's a direct link to our subisidiary who will sell you the tickets for twice or 5 times or 10 times the price we were supposed to sell them at". All the extra profits goes straight to Ticketmaster/Seatwave.

So what can the gaa do? They can stop giving tickets to Ticketmaster. With tickets.ie, Supervalu and clubs, there is absolutely no need to use the gougers.

Agree 100%

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2017, 07:35:23 PM

Quote from: Gaffer on August 09, 2017, 06:30:52 PM
There were online queues for tickets for the Armagh game when they first went on sale  as well.

A guy was tellng me he sat for an hour before he gave up......More fool him

There were loads of tickets available online  on the Thursday and Friday lesding up  to the game and not bad ones either. I ll be picking mine up online on The Friday before the game and i ll not be sitting in any queue!!!

The semi final involving Dublin usually involves higher demand than the quarter finals. I don't think many tickets became available for Kerry game late last year. I'd say there will be another online allocation but it might not last long.

The game will sell out but there will be plenty of tickets floating around for face value on the day.

Quote from: Taylor on August 10, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
Good analysis as always FM however I would not be as optimistic as you.

The winning & losing of this game will be IF the Dubs are in front as we come down the home stretch

My God I laughed when I read that Taylor as you have been so positive about every game we've played so far that there were a few times I thought you were on the wind up.

As you know I know a good few Dubs here in the city and I often met them after their games to discuss things and a lot of them are worried about how their old reliable forwards aren't as good as what they used to be and more so that their younger replacements like Mannion for example look great when given space but are not used to the hot white heat of a swarm defence where as soon as you get the ball there are 2 or 3 players around you.
They feel Gavin has been toying with the team thus far to get the younger lads introduced to the team and ready for the future but in reality the real business ONLY starts now and you could argue the same for Tyrone and Kerry.

I think that's why I'm expecting a similar game to last years Ulster final, maybe combined with how they played in the league where both teams will almost be shadow boxing not wanting to risk too much until maybe that so important third quarter.
A lot of the Dubs don't like O'Gara at all and think Gavin has only given him a run out here and there but I have a feeling he is a big part of Gavin's plan for Tyrone. He is so strong, can win his own ball, causes defenders havoc and even though he might be strangled for space to shoot he is well capable of winning free and penalties. If nothing else he will be a distraction to give space to other players around him and in the last 15 mins usually McManoman, Brogan and probably this time Connolly can do serious damage.

I detect from both sets of fans a certain respect and almost fear of each other and whilst many will say Tyrone have won Ulster so easily and played nobody worth while, they still know that Tyrone are a very different animal to Kerry and Mayo and won't be in any awe of them

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG3vtsuXcAAvYny.jpg)

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2017, 01:43:44 PM

Quote from: Hound on August 10, 2017, 01:40:28 PM

Quote from: punt kick on August 10, 2017, 10:56:13 AM

Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
An absolute disgrace, the GAA should acknowledge this and tackle the issue immediately. Saw this on Twitter earlier. Four tickets in lower Hogan for €1415, FFS!

https://twitter.com/stephen88ty/status/895298733231022080?s=09

If some mug wants to buy them - what can GAA do?

The GAA allocated a certain amount of tickets to ticketmaster to sell. Ticketmaster have an extortionate service fee, but we have to suck that up and it's deemed fine (tickets.ie have no service charge by the way).

But ticketmaster decided that this is a big game, and they're not getting enough money out of it from the service charge. So they "sold" a number of tickets (in the '000s it seems) to their "Reseller" subsidiary Seatwave.

So when the GAA punter goes to ticketmaster, they're met with - "we don't have any tickets left, but we know someone who does, and here's a direct link to our subisidiary who will sell you the tickets for twice or 5 times or 10 times the price we were supposed to sell them at". All the extra profits goes straight to Ticketmaster/Seatwave.

So what can the gaa do? They can stop giving tickets to Ticketmaster. With tickets.ie, Supervalu and clubs, there is absolutely no need to use the gougers.

Agree 100%

Ditto.
Disgraceful carry on.

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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
An absolute disgrace, the GAA should acknowledge this and tackle the issue immediately. Saw this on Twitter earlier. Four tickets in lower Hogan for €1415, FFS!

https://twitter.com/stephen88ty/status/895298733231022080?s=09

If some mug wants to buy them - what can GAA do?

So what can the gaa do? They can stop giving tickets to Ticketmaster. With tickets.ie, Supervalu and clubs, there is absolutely no need to use the gougers.

That's it - don't give them any tickets for 2018 (next games on public sale)

Unacceptable that TM are charging a premium.

Coldrick is the referee...

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Coldrick is the referee...

Will help the spectacle anyway as he won't be blowing every time there is minimal contact.

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Quote from: Taylor on August 10, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
Good analysis as always FM however I would not be as optimistic as you.

The winning & losing of this game will be IF the Dubs are in front as we come down the home stretch

My God I laughed when I read that Taylor as you have been so positive about every game we've played so far that there were a few times I thought you were on the wind up.

As you know I know a good few Dubs here in the city and I often met them after their games to discuss things and a lot of them are worried about how their old reliable forwards aren't as good as what they used to be and more so that their younger replacements like Mannion for example look great when given space but are not used to the hot white heat of a swarm defence where as soon as you get the ball there are 2 or 3 players around you.
They feel Gavin has been toying with the team thus far to get the younger lads introduced to the team and ready for the future but in reality the real business ONLY starts now and you could argue the same for Tyrone and Kerry.

I think that's why I'm expecting a similar game to last years Ulster final, maybe combined with how they played in the league where both teams will almost be shadow boxing not wanting to risk too much until maybe that so important third quarter.
A lot of the Dubs don't like O'Gara at all and think Gavin has only given him a run out here and there but I have a feeling he is a big part of Gavin's plan for Tyrone. He is so strong, can win his own ball, causes defenders havoc and even though he might be strangled for space to shoot he is well capable of winning free and penalties. If nothing else he will be a distraction to give space to other players around him and in the last 15 mins usually McManoman, Brogan and probably this time Connolly can do serious damage.

I detect from both sets of fans a certain respect and almost fear of each other and whilst many will say Tyrone have won Ulster so easily and played nobody worth while, they still know that Tyrone are a very different animal to Kerry and Mayo and won't be in any awe of them

On an individual level there are doubts over several Dublin forwards.

O'Gara needs space. He's very easy to put off if you deny him that as his skill levels are very rudimentary and he doesn't have the awareness and quick hands of, say Kieran Donaghy. He'll be meat and drink for the Tyrone defence if he gets game time.

A lot is expected of Con O'Callaghan, but he struggled against Monaghan. O'Callaghan has been Playing all winter, and novice players have a tendency to fade in the latter stages of a championship. See Jack McCaffrey, Ciaran Kilkenny and Paul Mannion in 2013.

Bernard Brogan certainly looked back to his old self when he came on against Kildare, but that was a game where Dublin were dominant. He looked well off his old form both in the League final against Kerry and last year.

Paul Flynn has not been on top form since 2014.

And I'll never be 100% convinced that Dean Rock is top class.

For me Diarmuid Connolly must start.

 :D Did you hear the Peter Harte has been putting Vaseline all over his arms before playing, this is so he can slip away from opposition holding him. Conal McCann must have got some on his boots that last day out though.

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Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Coldrick is the referee...

Will help the spectacle anyway as he won't be blowing every time there is minimal contact.

Am I right in saying he tends to be one who lets it flow? No blowing up for half fouls?

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Coldrick is the referee...

Gough will probably get the final now

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0810/896527-gaa-cancel-tickets/

Some tickets cancelled apparently. Only possible when the barcodes are available though

Ticketmaster should be cut out completely, gouging f*ckers

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 10, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0810/896527-gaa-cancel-tickets/

Some tickets cancelled apparently. Only possible when the barcodes are available though

Ticketmaster should be cut out completely, gouging f*ckers

I didnt realise how attached Ticketmaster and Seatwave were. Its shockingly poor form from them. And their seats are usually the worst in the ground too.

I don't think Ticketmaster are allowed to just decide to sell the tickets on seatwave at above face value.

Is it not the case someone buys a ticket off Ticketmaster then fires it up on Seatwave for whatever price they feel like?

Don't get me wrong it's corrupt as f**k. Ticketmaster get paid for selling the tickets in the first place and then they get 10% of the resale value plus VAT on whatever they go for on Seatwave!!! f**k that for a carryon the GAA need a new ticket seller!

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Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Coldrick is the referee...

Gough will probably get the final now

Joe McQuillan I'd say.

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Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Coldrick is the referee...

Gough will probably get the final now

Joe McQuillan I'd say.

Thought Mcquillan was sidelined for big games now

Coldrick and Gough are probably the 2 best referees around now. Meath producing better referees than footballers at the minute.

Gough will probably get the final now

John Gough? Guaranteed a wean a craic then.  :) Especially with the Dubs playin

Alan Brogan didn't like Tyrone much. I think in a game of inches at the top level, having a manager like Mickey Harte who clearly worries the opposition, is priceless. People may not always like everything he does but he carries a mystic that will make Kerry and Dublin worry about what he may pull out of the hat.

Alan Brogan
August 10 2017 6:26 PM
TYRONE were the team I wanted to beat more than anyone when I played for Dublin. Yes, more than Kerry. Much more.

Both of those teams inflicted horrible pain on us over those few years but Tyrone were different.
My Mam's from Kerry and I knew a lot of the Kerry lads so I could just about stomach losing to them

Or at least, I could get over it quicker.
But Tyrone?

They'd won a couple of All-Irelands. They'd spooked Kerry. They were household names.

But mostly, we didn't like them and they didn't seem to like us.
They had this weird aura around them because they'd come from nowhere and we didn't know any of them.

Judging by how they interacted on the pitch, they didn't seem particularly inclined to get to know any of us either.

Things got fairly fraught between Dublin and Tyrone in the middle part of the last decade.
When we played them, we went to war and it became an edgy, narky sort of relationship.

Obviously there was the 'Battle of Omagh' too, which didn't exactly help diplomatic relations.

That team, with Conor Gormley, Ryan McMenamin, Philly Jordan, Joe McMahon - they were hard and physical and took up permanent residency in your face when you played them.
There was bitterness there between the teams and the row in Omagh heightened that to the point where hatred festered between Dublin and Tyrone.
It was all left in the past when the teams broke up but at the time, it was fairly intense.

I'm starting to think it was because we didn't know any of them personally.
Most fellas you play against, you've met them before.

You've been in college with them or in their company on an All Stars trip and you knew their form.
But I wouldn't have known any of the Tyrone lads. I still don't.

For that reason, you didn't know what to make of them.

And when you don't know what to make of a fella, you don't want to give him an inch because you don't know how to take him or how he perceives you.
So no-one took a backwards step. And that was the nub of all the hostility.

Plus, they were a great team and we wanted to be one.

Everybody remembers the 2011 All-Ireland final and for completely different reasons, the semi-final with Donegal but few enough people recall the quarter-final that year against Tyrone.
That was the making of us that year. It was a huge win.

We hadn't won an All-Ireland at that stage and they had a handful of fellas in their team that evening who had three medals and had inflicted sickening defeats on us in 2005 and '08.

It was probably one of the most complete performances I was involved in with Dublin.
We didn't hammer them but we were dominant all over the pitch and clocked up 0-22 on a night when Diarmuid Connolly shot the lights out.

Now we hadn't exactly slayed the beast. Tyrone were on the wane at that stage, but it gave us great confidence to beat them like that.

And I'd imagine that's the way Mickey Harte will view the semi-final in a couple of weeks time - a chance for his team to establish their All-Ireland credentials against one of the very best.
We'll see a Tyrone with that sort of edge about them, the 'win at all costs' mentality that the last team had and profited richly from. From the outside, Harte looks like he's trying to build that character in the team.

It appears as though he's trying to mould them in the image of the side that tormented us in the noughties.

That was the other thing that made Tyrone seem different somehow back then - their manager.
Harte is one of the great managers.

He built a brilliant football team and won three All-Irelands in six years despite fact that the county hadn't won one in their history.

They came out of their running battle with another great team, Jack O'Connor and Pat O'Shea's Kerry, on the credit side.

But we didn't know Mickey Harte either. We didn't know his form. He had this mystique about him.

He'd do interviews where it seemed like butter wouldn't melt but then his team took to the field and they were like a pack of animals.
Honestly, to this day, I still don't know whether Mickey Harte is different behind closed doors, whether he generated that aggression and in some cases, nastiness, in his team or whether that was a natural by-product of the sort of players he had in it.

None of that antipathy lingered, mind.

We left it all on the pitch.
I usually had the pleasure of Gormley's company when we met Tyrone and he was a hard man but he was also one of the best I played on, a brilliant reader of the game and I loved those battles.

When Joe McMahon retired, I sent him a message on Twitter to say well done on a great career and let him know I enjoyed the games we had over the years.
He said the same back.

Over the next few years, it'd great to get to meet some of those guys because besides being a brilliant team, they were clearly big and interesting characters.

And to this day, I still don't really know any of them.

But mostly, we didn't like them (Tyrone) and they didn't seem to like us.

Great article!!

Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say at training when they are discussing their gameplan, I'd doubt whether the Paddy Power odds will be mentioned.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
Coldrick and Gough are probably the 2 best referees around now. Meath producing better referees than footballers at the minute.

Youre forgetting Cormac Reilly

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:37:49 AM

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

Tyrone 1.0 were a great team. They defined the last decade. Part of Mickey Harte's thing is belief and a sense of entitlement.  If you have the players it can get you far . If you don't it can look stupid. Tyrone 2.0 are not the finished article. Maybe they just lack the experience.  Or perhaps they don't have the players. We will see.

Harte wouldn't be able to manage Mayo. He would be accused of notions. Would you schtop. 

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

https://youtu.be/GIQn8pab8Vc


If I can see it, then I can do it
If I just believe it, there's nothing to it


I believe I can fly
I believe I can beat the Dubs
I think about it every night and day
Spread my wings and say the rosary

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

They drew with them in the league. And have improved immeasurably since that. Is that not proof enough they can beat Dublin?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

I don't know what county you're from Tonto but this is the depressing defeatist attitude that seems to prevail, certainly in Leinster when teams play the likes of Dublin and all over Ireland when teams play Kerry. Ah sure, we didn't beat them last year, we've no chance this year. Thankfully, under Mickey Harte, Tyrone teams, if nothing else, don't have that inferiority complex.

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Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

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Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

I don't know what county you're from Tonto but this is the depressing defeatist attitude that seems to prevail, certainly in Leinster when teams play the likes of Dublin and all over Ireland when teams play Kerry. Ah sure, we didn't beat them last year, we've no chance this year. Thankfully, under Mickey Harte, Tyrone teams, if nothing else, don't have that inferiority complex.

It doesn't matter a jot when you are actually inferior, though.

Very true Syferus, as perfectly illustrated by Roscommon on Monday. You definitely need the ability to back it up.

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Coldrick and Gough are probably the 2 best referees around now. Meath producing better referees than footballers at the minute.

Youre forgetting Cormac Reilly

There is a reason for that. His calling card will forever be that semi final in Limerick when he robbed Mayo.

If the Tyrone supporters belief in beating the Dubs is replicated by their players then they will have no problem on this front.

I believe this confidence is not misplaced not because Tyrone are world beaters but because there is a natural drop off in intensity that comes with winning as often as the Dubs have done. This Dubs team peaked about 2/3 years ago and whilst they are still a very good side, it is only natural that they suffer a drop off in the pure desire and manic aggression needed to get over the line in these big games. Tyrone will bring this to the table and that will more than compensate for their shortfall in quality individual players. Their strength is in the collective system that they have been rehearsing for years and which is set up to work perfectly against a side like the Dubs. They only know one way of playing and that is to defend deep in numbers and then break quickly at pace.

I don't think Dublin have any choice but to tweak their game plan and indeed they have never been as cavalier as they were in 2014 when they played arguably the most swashbuckling football seen since McGuinness revolutionised gaelic football with ultra defensive gameplans. They were ambushed in that particular match and Gavin has played a more conservative brand of football since then whenever it is required.

It is a fascinating encounter primarily because we don't really know how much the Dubs really want it when they are put to the pin of their collar. I suspect that Tyrone will play this match with a ravenous hunger similar to the Kerry semi final in 2003 and whilst it might not be a pretty spectacle I expect Tyrone to come out on top.     

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If the Tyrone supporters belief in beating the Dubs is replicated by their players then they will have no problem on this front.

I believe this confidence is not misplaced not because Tyrone are world beaters but because there is a natural drop off in intensity that comes with winning as often as the Dubs have done. This Dubs team peaked about 2/3 years ago and whilst they are still a very good side, it is only natural that they suffer a drop off in the pure desire and manic aggression needed to get over the line in these big games. Tyrone will bring this to the table and that will more than compensate for their shortfall in quality individual players. Their strength is in the collective system that they have been rehearsing for years and which is set up to work perfectly against a side like the Dubs. They only know one way of playing and that is to defend deep in numbers and then break quickly at pace.

I don't think Dublin have any choice but to tweak their game plan and indeed they have never been as cavalier as they were in 2014 when they played arguably the most swashbuckling football seen since McGuinness revolutionised gaelic football with ultra defensive gameplans. They were ambushed in that particular match and Gavin has played a more conservative brand of football since then whenever it is required.

It is a fascinating encounter primarily because we don't really know how much the Dubs really want it when they are put to the pin of their collar. I suspect that Tyrone will play this match with a ravenous hunger similar to the Kerry semi final in 2003 and whilst it might not be a pretty spectacle I expect Tyrone to come out on top.   

My posts aren't suggesting that Tyrone fans all think we will beat Dublin easily. The points i was making is that Tyrone players (rightly or wrongly - time will tell) will enter the game with belief that they will win the game. Dublin don't face too many teams with that belief.

Good to see the GAA authorities have taken action against resold tickets,for this one, above face value by cancelling them. Just beware of the holders now trying to offload them, possibly at a too-good-to-be-true price.

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Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

They drew with them in the league. And have improved immeasurably since that. Is that not proof enough they can beat Dublin?

The league is meaningless compared to now. Fellas aren't fit. Teams try out people.
Championship is about speed and pressure. We honestly don't know how good Tyrone are 

Tyrone were good enough for Ulster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee00qR3vYhs

But Croke Park in August is a different animal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

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Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

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Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

I don't know what county you're from Tonto but this is the depressing defeatist attitude that seems to prevail, certainly in Leinster when teams play the likes of Dublin and all over Ireland when teams play Kerry. Ah sure, we didn't beat them last year, we've no chance this year. Thankfully, under Mickey Harte, Tyrone teams, if nothing else, don't have that inferiority complex.

It doesn't matter a jot when you are actually inferior, though.

You really think this Tyrone team is inferior to Dublin?? Do all middle of the road counties think this? Is this why Dublin/Kerry get a free run every year???  :-\

I truly believe this Tyrone team are good enough, this is the best setup to come together since the hayday of the 00s. We threw away a 6 point lead in the league but the ship has tightened up significantly since that.
Isolate those Dublin forwards and put them under pressure when shooting and they are... meh. Watch the Monaghan game back to see, time and time again there was no hand being put on Mannion, Andrews etc. Tyrone wont give away scoreable frees by the bucketload in the way Monaghan did either, so thats Rock curtailed.

Im telling you, Tyrone are equal partners in this, not there to make up numbers.

I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

I think a lot of Tyrone fans feel Mayo are a good team but are always the nearly men that just don't have what it takes to get over the line. They probably lack that inner self belief that they are good enough which gives you that little bit extra to win out close games rather than draw them.

Mayo fans can't understand Tyrone's arrogance and over confidence when they play teams like them, Kerry and Dublin and why can't they be more realistic in that they've not beaten a top team now for 9 years.
Mayo see themselves as a top 2 or 3 team for a long period of time now and use this term one of the most consistent teams about and they would say Tyrone fans don't give them enough credit for that.

This is what I think anyway and it amuses me again to read some of their posters (and Rossies & others) get annoyed that Tyrone believe they are good enough to beat Dublin.
As Mickey Harte used to say back in the 2000s, if you yourself believe you can do something then you have a good chance that you will succeed. However, if you aren't sure and don't really believe then you are already at a huge disadvantage.
In fairness to Armagh they went into their games against Tyrone in 2003 and 2005 totally believing they were going to win and that very nearly got them over the line.

What's the old saying?

'whether you believe you can or you can't you're probably right'

;)

Very interesting read that Alan Brogan article and can't say I'm surprised by his honest comments that he and most of that team in the 2000s didn't like Tyrone as we showed them very little respect and beat them in some very big games. I remember clearly playing them in our first league match in 2004 as AI champions in Parnell park. They of course gave us a guard of honour but proceeded them to kick the shit out of us which for me was the start of the big hatred between the two teams. You could feel Dublin knew they wanted to lay down a marker and they won quite a dirty game by one point (as they had done the year before at the same venue).
This of course was repeated in 2006 in the battle of Omagh (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/battle-of-omagh-how-the-tyronedublin-saga-unfolded-26399876.html) were they again wanted to lay down a marker to the reigning AI champions. For me this was when Dublin started to turn the tide and realise they had to change how they approached games if they were to get back to the top table and apparently they built their whole underage structure based on how Tyrone did things.

How would have thought back in 1995 when Dublin won the All Ireland in dubious circumstances that it would be them NOT Tyrone who would have to wait 16 years before they won another one.
Brogan was part of that 2005 and 2008 team

A lot of Dubs I'd meet would have it in their head that Tyrone have beaten them more times than they have beaten us. They look back at those 3 games in the mid 2000s with very bad memories but in fact Dublin have quite a good record against Tyrone in the championship

1984 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI semi 2.11 - 0.08
1995 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI final  1.10 - 0.12
2005 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  2.18 - 1.14 after a replay
2008 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  3.14 - 1.08
2010 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2011 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 0.22 - 0.15

As Brogan and a few others alluded to, there is an element that this Tyrone team want to emulate Dublin now and how the roles are reversed from 10 years ago.

Why are people bring league form into it??????
Monaghan almost beat Dublin in the league and Donegal drew with them........they are a different kettle of fish at this time of the year......hopefully Tyrone are a different team from the league also. The reality is nobody knows how these teams will match up and that's why it makes it for such an interesting game. Tyrone might win but they might get hammered, maybe it will be a draw.....hopefully it lives up to its billing and is a fantastic sporting occasion.

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Why are people bring league form into it??????
Monaghan almost beat Dublin in the league and Donegal drew with them........they are a different kettle of fish at this time of the year......hopefully Tyrone are a different team from the league also. The reality is nobody knows how these teams will match up and that's why it makes it for such an interesting game. Tyrone might win but they might get hammered, maybe it will be a draw.....hopefully it lives up to its billing and is a fantastic sporting occasion.

Dont even start that chat!

I think that's why the Dubs like this match so much as it's been a good few years since we played them and they are excited by the fact that there is an element of the unknown in this game.
I just met a work colleague there (They're all wanting to talk to me this week) and he is very confident they will beat us but he said ye never know and at least he'd rather lose to us than to Kerry or Mayo.

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I think that's why the Dubs like this match so much as it's been a good few years since we played them and they are excited by the fact that there is an element of the unknown in this game.
I just met a work colleague there (They're all wanting to talk to me this week) and he is very confident they will beat us but he said ye never know and at least he'd rather lose to us than to Kerry or Mayo.

Aw isn't that nice?

Any dubs I have been talking to have had the attitude of we'll beat you but at least we'll get a bit of a game. Which I am happy to go along with - even though I feel we have a big chance of turning them over.

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Very interesting read that Alan Brogan article and can't say I'm surprised by his honest comments that he and most of that team in the 2000s didn't like Tyrone as we showed them very little respect and beat them in some very big games. I remember clearly playing them in our first league match in 2004 as AI champions in Parnell park. They of course gave us a guard of honour but proceeded them to kick the shit out of us which for me was the start of the big hatred between the two teams. You could feel Dublin knew they wanted to lay down a marker and they won quite a dirty game by one point (as they had done the year before at the same venue).
This of course was repeated in 2006 in the battle of Omagh (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/battle-of-omagh-how-the-tyronedublin-saga-unfolded-26399876.html) were they again wanted to lay down a marker to the reigning AI champions. For me this was when Dublin started to turn the tide and realise they had to change how they approached games if they were to get back to the top table and apparently they built their whole underage structure based on how Tyrone did things.

How would have thought back in 1995 when Dublin won the All Ireland in dubious circumstances that it would be them NOT Tyrone who would have to wait 16 years before they won another one.
Brogan was part of that 2005 and 2008 team

A lot of Dubs I'd meet would have it in their head that Tyrone have beaten them more times than they have beaten us. They look back at those 3 games in the mid 2000s with very bad memories but in fact Dublin have quite a good record against Tyrone in the championship

1984 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI semi 2.11 - 0.08
1995 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI final  1.10 - 0.12
2005 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  2.18 - 1.14 after a replay
2008 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  3.14 - 1.08
2010 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2011 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 0.22 - 0.15

As Brogan and a few others alluded to, there is an element that this Tyrone team want to emulate Dublin now and how the roles are reversed from 10 years ago.

They gave you a guard of honour huh?

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Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
Plámásing of the highest order. You'd know Brogan has Kerry blood in his veins. Mickey Harte has not done it in a while now! And when I say it I mean knocked a serious team off their Perch. This is the type of article that can set you up for a fall.

He hasn't done it in a while indeed but all the while has rebuilding a team to challenge again. The fate of Armagh, Derry, Down, Meath, Cork etc would highlight the job he has done to keep Tyrone competitive when at times we just didn't have the quality to replace what was leaving. He still seems to freak out the Dubs and Kerry. They hold him in exceptionally high esteem and almost expect him to pull a rabbit out of the hat in big games.

The thing that Dublin will face, which they don't face very often, is a team absolutely ravenous to have a go at them. Most teams, especially in Leinster are beaten before a ball is kicked, Tyrone 100% believe they are going to win this game, Mickey, in my view has built a gamelan which he 100% believes will beat them. I have a feeling Dublin will adapt their game to play Tyrone, which would be a mistake and I feel that will be due to the respect they have for a team managed by Mickey.

Do they? Where do they get this belief from? Did they believe they'd beat an average Mayo side last year? Paddy Power have Tyrone at 5/2! Hardly the odds of a team to be afraid of?

I'd say the confidence comes form how Dublin struggled with their system in the two league outings since it was introduced. 1-9 and 0-10 is not what Dublin are used to registering and while it's only league, there's currently no team who defend and frustrate teams to the level Tyrone do right now.

If you're throwing the Mayo thing in from last year, they lost by a point to a side who drew and lost the replay to Dublin by 1 point. Tyrone know they badly underperformed that day yet they still had chances to rescue the game with 14 men. The year before that they cut Kerry through the middle time and time again but in the end pissed away numerous goal chances which should have won them the game.

Tyrone's confidence stems from a huge belief in the system they employ and a belief they are every bit as good as Kerry and Mayo who have tested Dublin.

The way you talk about last year would make someone think Mayo played Tyrone off the pitch and hammered them.

Did Tyrone win either of those games in which Dublin scored 1-9 or 0-10?
Have Tyrone beaten Kerry or Mayo when it counts recently?

I don't know what county you're from Tonto but this is the depressing defeatist attitude that seems to prevail, certainly in Leinster when teams play the likes of Dublin and all over Ireland when teams play Kerry. Ah sure, we didn't beat them last year, we've no chance this year. Thankfully, under Mickey Harte, Tyrone teams, if nothing else, don't have that inferiority complex.

Armagh mate. I think you have a very good team and a good chance of winning. That wasn't the point of my post though. I don't see how bringing up league matches you didn't win gives you the belief of can win. If you do have that belief, and I've no doubt you do, I don't think it comes from league games you didn't win

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2017, 01:18:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 11:10:07 AM
Very interesting read that Alan Brogan article and can't say I'm surprised by his honest comments that he and most of that team in the 2000s didn't like Tyrone as we showed them very little respect and beat them in some very big games. I remember clearly playing them in our first league match in 2004 as AI champions in Parnell park. They of course gave us a guard of honour but proceeded them to kick the shit out of us which for me was the start of the big hatred between the two teams. You could feel Dublin knew they wanted to lay down a marker and they won quite a dirty game by one point (as they had done the year before at the same venue).
This of course was repeated in 2006 in the battle of Omagh (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/battle-of-omagh-how-the-tyronedublin-saga-unfolded-26399876.html) were they again wanted to lay down a marker to the reigning AI champions. For me this was when Dublin started to turn the tide and realise they had to change how they approached games if they were to get back to the top table and apparently they built their whole underage structure based on how Tyrone did things.

How would have thought back in 1995 when Dublin won the All Ireland in dubious circumstances that it would be them NOT Tyrone who would have to wait 16 years before they won another one.
Brogan was part of that 2005 and 2008 team

A lot of Dubs I'd meet would have it in their head that Tyrone have beaten them more times than they have beaten us. They look back at those 3 games in the mid 2000s with very bad memories but in fact Dublin have quite a good record against Tyrone in the championship

1984 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI semi 2.11 - 0.08
1995 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI final  1.10 - 0.12
2005 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  2.18 - 1.14 after a replay
2008 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  3.14 - 1.08
2010 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2011 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 0.22 - 0.15

As Brogan and a few others alluded to, there is an element that this Tyrone team want to emulate Dublin now and how the roles are reversed from 10 years ago.

They gave you a guard of honour huh?

Is this not a generally accepted tradition? When all ireland champions play the first league game of the following year the opposing team do this? no? I thought i remember tyrone doing it for someone in the past?

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

Really Fuzzman? I know I don't read too much Tyrone related threads, but I have nothing but respect for you lot. Then again I don't know many Tyrone people to have no respect for them either. Looking forward to this game to be honest. If Tyrone do win, I imagine they will be favourites for the final.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

I think a lot of Tyrone fans feel Mayo are a good team but are always the nearly men that just don't have what it takes to get over the line. They probably lack that inner self belief that they are good enough which gives you that little bit extra to win out close games rather than draw them.

Mayo fans can't understand Tyrone's arrogance and over confidence when they play teams like them, Kerry and Dublin and why can't they be more realistic in that they've not beaten a top team now for 9 years.
Mayo see themselves as a top 2 or 3 team for a long period of time now and use this term one of the most consistent teams about and they would say Tyrone fans don't give them enough credit for that.

This is what I think anyway and it amuses me again to read some of their posters (and Rossies & others) get annoyed that Tyrone believe they are good enough to beat Dublin.
As Mickey Harte used to say back in the 2000s, if you yourself believe you can do something then you have a good chance that you will succeed. However, if you aren't sure and don't really believe then you are already at a huge disadvantage.
In fairness to Armagh they went into their games against Tyrone in 2003 and 2005 totally believing they were going to win and that very nearly got them over the line.

I have to say I think the exact same about Tyrone the last 6 to 7 years. Like it or hate it, There are a lot of similarities between both teams.

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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

Really Fuzzman? I know I don't read too much Tyrone related threads, but I have nothing but respect for you lot. Then again I don't know many Tyrone people to have no respect for them either. Looking forward to this game to be honest. If Tyrone do win, I imagine they will be favourites for the final.

We're not a bad bunch really. Humble country people like yourselves.

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 02:38:02 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

I think a lot of Tyrone fans feel Mayo are a good team but are always the nearly men that just don't have what it takes to get over the line. They probably lack that inner self belief that they are good enough which gives you that little bit extra to win out close games rather than draw them.

Mayo fans can't understand Tyrone's arrogance and over confidence when they play teams like them, Kerry and Dublin and why can't they be more realistic in that they've not beaten a top team now for 9 years.
Mayo see themselves as a top 2 or 3 team for a long period of time now and use this term one of the most consistent teams about and they would say Tyrone fans don't give them enough credit for that.

This is what I think anyway and it amuses me again to read some of their posters (and Rossies & others) get annoyed that Tyrone believe they are good enough to beat Dublin.
As Mickey Harte used to say back in the 2000s, if you yourself believe you can do something then you have a good chance that you will succeed. However, if you aren't sure and don't really believe then you are already at a huge disadvantage.
In fairness to Armagh they went into their games against Tyrone in 2003 and 2005 totally believing they were going to win and that very nearly got them over the line.

I have to say I think the exact same about Tyrone the last 6 to 7 years. Like it or hate it, There are a lot of similarities between both teams.

Theyre right though

Quote from: WT4E on August 11, 2017, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2017, 01:18:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 11:10:07 AM
Very interesting read that Alan Brogan article and can't say I'm surprised by his honest comments that he and most of that team in the 2000s didn't like Tyrone as we showed them very little respect and beat them in some very big games. I remember clearly playing them in our first league match in 2004 as AI champions in Parnell park. They of course gave us a guard of honour but proceeded them to kick the shit out of us which for me was the start of the big hatred between the two teams. You could feel Dublin knew they wanted to lay down a marker and they won quite a dirty game by one point (as they had done the year before at the same venue).
This of course was repeated in 2006 in the battle of Omagh (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/battle-of-omagh-how-the-tyronedublin-saga-unfolded-26399876.html) were they again wanted to lay down a marker to the reigning AI champions. For me this was when Dublin started to turn the tide and realise they had to change how they approached games if they were to get back to the top table and apparently they built their whole underage structure based on how Tyrone did things.

How would have thought back in 1995 when Dublin won the All Ireland in dubious circumstances that it would be them NOT Tyrone who would have to wait 16 years before they won another one.
Brogan was part of that 2005 and 2008 team

A lot of Dubs I'd meet would have it in their head that Tyrone have beaten them more times than they have beaten us. They look back at those 3 games in the mid 2000s with very bad memories but in fact Dublin have quite a good record against Tyrone in the championship

1984 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI semi 2.11 - 0.08
1995 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI final  1.10 - 0.12
2005 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  2.18 - 1.14 after a replay
2008 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  3.14 - 1.08
2010 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2011 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 0.22 - 0.15

As Brogan and a few others alluded to, there is an element that this Tyrone team want to emulate Dublin now and how the roles are reversed from 10 years ago.

They gave you a guard of honour huh?

Is this not a generally accepted tradition? When all ireland champions play the first league game of the following year the opposing team do this? no? I thought i remember tyrone doing it for someone in the past?

Fuzz will, or should, know what I'm referring to

Quote from: WT4E on August 11, 2017, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2017, 01:18:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 11:10:07 AM
Very interesting read that Alan Brogan article and can't say I'm surprised by his honest comments that he and most of that team in the 2000s didn't like Tyrone as we showed them very little respect and beat them in some very big games. I remember clearly playing them in our first league match in 2004 as AI champions in Parnell park. They of course gave us a guard of honour but proceeded them to kick the shit out of us which for me was the start of the big hatred between the two teams. You could feel Dublin knew they wanted to lay down a marker and they won quite a dirty game by one point (as they had done the year before at the same venue).
This of course was repeated in 2006 in the battle of Omagh (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/battle-of-omagh-how-the-tyronedublin-saga-unfolded-26399876.html) were they again wanted to lay down a marker to the reigning AI champions. For me this was when Dublin started to turn the tide and realise they had to change how they approached games if they were to get back to the top table and apparently they built their whole underage structure based on how Tyrone did things.

How would have thought back in 1995 when Dublin won the All Ireland in dubious circumstances that it would be them NOT Tyrone who would have to wait 16 years before they won another one.
Brogan was part of that 2005 and 2008 team

A lot of Dubs I'd meet would have it in their head that Tyrone have beaten them more times than they have beaten us. They look back at those 3 games in the mid 2000s with very bad memories but in fact Dublin have quite a good record against Tyrone in the championship

1984 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI semi 2.11 - 0.08
1995 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI final  1.10 - 0.12
2005 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  2.18 - 1.14 after a replay
2008 Tyrone beat Dublin in an AI 1/4 final  3.14 - 1.08
2010 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2011 Dublin beat Tyrone in the AI 1/4 final 0.22 - 0.15

As Brogan and a few others alluded to, there is an element that this Tyrone team want to emulate Dublin now and how the roles are reversed from 10 years ago.

They gave you a guard of honour huh?

Is this not a generally accepted tradition? When all ireland champions play the first league game of the following year the opposing team do this? no? I thought i remember tyrone doing it for someone in the past?

Oh yes, we even did it for the Meath men in an NFL game in Omagh in '97! Then again, we really did have SO much to thank them for, truly (cue Hardy with a "you're welcome"). ;)

Tyrone refused to give Armagh one as it totally galled them that Armagh beat them to the All-Ireland - both points statement of facts.

Quote from: punt kick on August 11, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
Tyrone refused to give Armagh one as it totally galled them that Armagh beat them to the All-Ireland - both points statement of facts.

What are you doing in here punt kick - I thought this board would be safe from you - Is there no division 3 discussion you could be off talking in?

Tyrone played Roscommon in the first league game of 2003 and didn't play Armagh to Round 5. Do you want Armagh to be given a guard of honour from now until the end of time to acknowledge your only All Ireland Title? I'd be happy to see that  ;D

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Quote from: From the Bunker on August 11, 2017, 02:38:02 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

I think a lot of Tyrone fans feel Mayo are a good team but are always the nearly men that just don't have what it takes to get over the line. They probably lack that inner self belief that they are good enough which gives you that little bit extra to win out close games rather than draw them.

Mayo fans can't understand Tyrone's arrogance and over confidence when they play teams like them, Kerry and Dublin and why can't they be more realistic in that they've not beaten a top team now for 9 years.
Mayo see themselves as a top 2 or 3 team for a long period of time now and use this term one of the most consistent teams about and they would say Tyrone fans don't give them enough credit for that.

This is what I think anyway and it amuses me again to read some of their posters (and Rossies & others) get annoyed that Tyrone believe they are good enough to beat Dublin.
As Mickey Harte used to say back in the 2000s, if you yourself believe you can do something then you have a good chance that you will succeed. However, if you aren't sure and don't really believe then you are already at a huge disadvantage.
In fairness to Armagh they went into their games against Tyrone in 2003 and 2005 totally believing they were going to win and that very nearly got them over the line.

I have to say I think the exact same about Tyrone the last 6 to 7 years. Like it or hate it, There are a lot of similarities between both teams.

Theyre right though

Only up to a point I'd say, ie, Mayo have been a better team than ourselves up until last year, since 2010, but now the worm has turned, I reckon, and our reckoning is this game, where we hope to have just a little too much for the Dubs. :)

Hopefully they'll hammer the seven bells out of each other and both teams pick up numerous red and black cards to help ease Mayos journey to a well deserved title (should they overcome Kerry)

Sorry Tonto, you've lost me as well.

I've been keeping tabs this year of who has scored what for Tyrone this year and rather surprisingly Sean is still top scorer with 0.14 but of course a lot of those are frees.

Sean    0.14
P.Harte   1.08
Mulgrew   2.04
M.Bradley   0.08
RoNeill   2.01
Mattie   0.06
T.McCann   1.02
Sludden   0.05
Hampsey   0.05
McCurry   0.04

I really hope we don't have an issue again with Dublin fouling outside the 40 and Morgan going through another bad spell of missing frees. With a packed stadium and huge pressure, it will be a lot harder for him that the ones he's scored in the Ulster final and last weekend.

Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
Hopefully they'll hammer the seven bells out of each other and both teams pick up numerous red and black cards to help ease Mayos journey to a well deserved title (should they overcome Kerry)

I was thinking exactly the same thing, Whitey
A scenario like 2001 where the form is overturned  and the favourites are hammered out the door in a one sided match that stuns the nation and all the winners, who are full of it.   have to do is turn up in the final cos it's only a team from Connacht.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
Sorry Tonto, you've lost me as well.

I've been keeping tabs this year of who has scored what for Tyrone this year and rather surprisingly Sean is still top scorer with 0.14 but of course a lot of those are frees.

Sean    0.14
P.Harte   1.08
Mulgrew   2.04
M.Bradley   0.08
RoNeill   2.01
Mattie   0.06
T.McCann   1.02
Sludden   0.05
Hampsey   0.05
McCurry   0.04

I really hope we don't have an issue again with Dublin fouling outside the 40 and Morgan going through another bad spell of missing frees. With a packed stadium and huge pressure, it will be a lot harder for him that the ones he's scored in the Ulster final and last weekend.

Tyrone have a impressive scoring rate this year in championship. 6-77 in 4 games only conceding 1-46 in those games. 18 different players have scored in those games . When starting scoring goals consistently in Croke Park will be a serious force. Hopefully don't start in 2 week time ☺

S.Cavanagh  0-14
P.Harte 1-8
D.Mulgrew 2-4
M.Bradley 0-8
T.McCann 1-4
R.O'Neill 2-1
M.Donnelly 0-6
P.Hampsey 0-5
N.Sludden 0-5
D.McCurry 0-4
L.Brennan 0-3
C.McCann0-3
K.McGeary 0-3
N.Morgan 0-3
C.Cavanagh 0-2
D.McClure 0-2
L.Brennan 0-1
C.McShane 0-1

Quote from: punt kick on August 11, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
Tyrone refused to give Armagh one as it totally galled them that Armagh beat them to the All-Ireland - both points statement of facts.

You talk some nonsense sir.

I see Cathal  Mc Carron sent off in both Down and Armagh games for 2 yellow cards. Does that mean is suspended or is it 3 double yellows to incur a suspension?

Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

Aye if it happens again in semi he misses a potential final.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

Meh, he'd have six yellow cards in that case and would only need to overturn one to overturn a suspension. Easy done.

Quote from: Gael85 on August 11, 2017, 06:14:30 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
Sorry Tonto, you've lost me as well.

I've been keeping tabs this year of who has scored what for Tyrone this year and rather surprisingly Sean is still top scorer with 0.14 but of course a lot of those are frees.

Sean    0.14
P.Harte   1.08
Mulgrew   2.04
M.Bradley   0.08
RoNeill   2.01
Mattie   0.06
T.McCann   1.02
Sludden   0.05
Hampsey   0.05
McCurry   0.04

I really hope we don't have an issue again with Dublin fouling outside the 40 and Morgan going through another bad spell of missing frees. With a packed stadium and huge pressure, it will be a lot harder for him that the ones he's scored in the Ulster final and last weekend.

Tyrone have a impressive scoring rate this year in championship. 6-77 in 4 games only conceding 1-46 in those games. 18 different players have scored in those games . When starting scoring goals consistently in Croke Park will be a serious force. Hopefully don't start in 2 week time ☺

S.Cavanagh  0-14
P.Harte 1-8
D.Mulgrew 2-4
M.Bradley 0-8
T.McCann 1-4
R.O'Neill 2-1
M.Donnelly 0-6
P.Hampsey 0-5
N.Sludden 0-5
D.McCurry 0-4
L.Brennan 0-3
C.McCann0-3
K.McGeary 0-3
N.Morgan 0-3
C.Cavanagh 0-2
D.McClure 0-2
L.Brennan 0-1
C.McShane 0-1

L Brennan in twice

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2017, 08:45:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

Aye if it happens again in semi he misses a potential final.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the suspension from multiple sendings off wouldn't carry to a final.

Quote from: omaghjoe on August 11, 2017, 08:56:15 PM

Quote from: Gael85 on August 11, 2017, 06:14:30 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
Sorry Tonto, you've lost me as well.

I've been keeping tabs this year of who has scored what for Tyrone this year and rather surprisingly Sean is still top scorer with 0.14 but of course a lot of those are frees.

Sean    0.14
P.Harte   1.08
Mulgrew   2.04
M.Bradley   0.08
RoNeill   2.01
Mattie   0.06
T.McCann   1.02
Sludden   0.05
Hampsey   0.05
McCurry   0.04

I really hope we don't have an issue again with Dublin fouling outside the 40 and Morgan going through another bad spell of missing frees. With a packed stadium and huge pressure, it will be a lot harder for him that the ones he's scored in the Ulster final and last weekend.

Tyrone have a impressive scoring rate this year in championship. 6-77 in 4 games only conceding 1-46 in those games. 18 different players have scored in those games . When starting scoring goals consistently in Croke Park will be a serious force. Hopefully don't start in 2 week time ☺

S.Cavanagh  0-14
P.Harte 1-8
D.Mulgrew 2-4
M.Bradley 0-8
T.McCann 1-4
R.O'Neill 2-1
M.Donnelly 0-6
P.Hampsey 0-5
N.Sludden 0-5
D.McCurry 0-4
L.Brennan 0-3
C.McCann0-3
K.McGeary 0-3
N.Morgan 0-3
C.Cavanagh 0-2
D.McClure 0-2
L.Brennan 0-1
C.McShane 0-1

L Brennan in twice

Should be Rory Brennan 0-1 :)

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2017, 09:25:31 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2017, 08:45:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

Aye if it happens again in semi he misses a potential final.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the suspension from multiple sendings off wouldn't carry to a final.

Heard same Benny.Think it unfair. A player could easily take one for the team. Only in the GAA

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

It's a joke. Nothing against McCarron but how can you pick up 4 yellows in two games and not get a suspension

Quote from: Gael85 on August 11, 2017, 09:42:27 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2017, 09:25:31 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2017, 08:45:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

Aye if it happens again in semi he misses a potential final.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the suspension from multiple sendings off wouldn't carry to a final.

Heard same Benny.Think it unfair. A player could easily take one for the team. Only in the GAA

Suppose they don't want to see anyone banned for a final..you can see their reasoning. I see your point also like.

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2017, 10:17:48 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

It's a joke. Nothing against McCarron but how can you pick up 4 yellows in two games and not get a suspension

Cos Premier League soccer rules don't apply to GAA!    ;D

Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

Of Rock 3-19 only the goals have come from play.

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Quote from: Gael85 on August 12, 2017, 10:54:20 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

Of Rock 3-19 only the goals have come from play.

Rock hasnt scored a point from play this championship? Very interesting. What does he do when the fouls dry up against the best tacklers in the game?

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 12, 2017, 11:50:20 AM

Quote from: Gael85 on August 12, 2017, 10:54:20 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

Of Rock 3-19 only the goals have come from play.

Rock hasnt scored a point from play this championship? Very interesting. What does he do when the fouls dry up against the best tacklers in the game?

His game is about covering making space for other players. He did get 5 from play between 3 games involving Kerry/Mayo last year so he can still make impact against the big guns. He will never score 4/5 from play in a game

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 12, 2017, 11:50:20 AM

Quote from: Gael85 on August 12, 2017, 10:54:20 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

Of Rock 3-19 only the goals have come from play.

Rock hasnt scored a point from play this championship? Very interesting. What does he do when the fouls dry up against the best tacklers in the game?

I think if Tyrone don't foul, DUblin will get goal chances.

I think if the forwards hold there own and break even, Dublins cavalry will see them over the line. Big if of course.

Tyrone tackle will be faultless. That has taken years to perfect. A weak referee that rewards the free winning antics of Dublin will be a crucial need for Dublin in this regard. Who knows. If pressure is applied and the the ref goes out to do a job on Tyrone. Over the years the fake punditry and the rte paranoia of losing banquet coverage...for all that tradition. You never know.

Quote from: hardstation on August 11, 2017, 11:09:59 PM

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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

It's a joke. Nothing against McCarron but how can you pick up 4 yellows in two games and not get a suspension

You just don't. It's not that hard to understand.

Who said it was hard to understand. It's stupid that you can et red carded two games in a row for picking up two yellows and not get suspended

Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 11, 2017, 10:59:13 PM

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2017, 10:17:48 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 11, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

It's a joke. Nothing against McCarron but how can you pick up 4 yellows in two games and not get a suspension

Cos Premier League soccer rules don't apply to GAA!    ;D

What have premier league rules got to do with anything

Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2017, 04:14:01 PM
Tyrone tackle will be faultless. That has taken years to perfect. A weak referee that rewards the free winning antics of Dublin will be a crucial need for Dublin in this regard. Who knows. If pressure is applied and the the ref goes out to do a job on Tyrone. Over the years the fake punditry and the rte paranoia of losing banquet coverage...for all that tradition. You never know.

It depends on the intensity the Dubs bring to the game.
Hitler told everyone he could stop the Soviets at the Seelow heights.

Very interesting to see how Tyrone will cope with the pressure of an All Ireland semi against the Dubs. With the team of the 00's we knew going into battle with Ricey, Gormley, Jordan, Dooher, O'Neill and the rest, what you would get. This team I'm not so sure but the game is there for them to make a name for themselves. Dublin are tried and tested, Tyrone are not. That said it is a big ask for Dublin to go to the well each year and come out on top. Like Tyrone they have coasted their way to this stage and perhaps when the pressure is applied they may not just be as manic in the tackle as they have been for the past few years. You would assume that Tyrone will be more hungry than Dublin so it will be some credit to Dublin if they can match Tyrone in intensity after so long on the road. If they are focussed as Tyrone, then you feel that Dublin have the edge.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Ridiculous post. It's one thing for the dubs to get abuse for money/grants but now apparently they dive as well and this from a Tyrone fan!!! Pot, kettle, black. No one has mastered the art of diving/falling for frees like Sean Cavanagh. Honorable mention to his brother Colm and who can forget Tiernan's dive. I can only assume the post was a wind up because no one could take it seriously

Quote from: dublin7 on August 12, 2017, 10:33:44 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Ridiculous post. It's one thing for the dubs to get abuse for money/grants but now apparently they dive as well and this from a Tyrone fan!!! Pot, kettle, black. No one has mastered the art of diving/falling for frees like Sean Cavanagh. Honorable mention to his brother Colm and who can forget Tiernan's dive. I can only assume the post was a wind up because no one could take it seriously

This is definitely no wind up. Your lads systematically earn yourselves frees in kickable positions for Rock. It was blatant against Monaghan and is a good tactic to keep the scoreboard ticking over with such a reliable free taker. It's fine pointing the finger at Tyrone, but your lads have turned it into an essential part of your actual gameplan. A forward line that has lost a top of their game Flynn and Bernard Brogan not to mention Alan Brogan and for most of the season Connolly, it's hardly surprising that Gavlin has opted to take some of the scoring pressure off the forward unit. It's definitely not as scary a forward line as it was a few years ago.....as long as there is a strong ref. And I haven't even mentioned the blatant injury feigning to get lads sent off! Have you acknowledged Coopers antics yet?

too much has now been made of Tyrone being more hungry and taking out the Dubs. wouldn't be surprised if the Dubs turn round and give out a hiding tbh.

Quote from: clarshack on August 12, 2017, 11:24:59 PM
too much has now been made of Tyrone being more hungry and taking out the Dubs. wouldn't be surprised if the Dubs turn round and give out a hiding tbh.

Take your alternative view of how the match might unfold to the bookies and make yourself a clean fortune! ;)

It is very hard to know. It could well happen. Tyrone by 2 or dublin by 10 lol.

I don't think tyrone have the scoring power to beat them and while people talk about harte being best player in the country if he is marking jack mccaffrey he will have his work cut out.

I hope i am wrong. Dublin dominating not great for the game but they are dominating and this tyrone team have yet to prove themselves at this level. It is a big step for them.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:16:56 PM
And I haven't even mentioned the blatant injury feigning to get lads sent off! Have you acknowledged Coopers antics yet?

He defo embarrassed himself with that carry on with McManus

That's a one off from cooper but like Mc canns dive this things follow you like a smell for sometime after. Coopers hard and his specialism is off the ball intimidation. Dublins soft fall in attack is a system though and any ref can see through that.

Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2017, 08:23:32 AM
That's a one off from cooper but like Mc canns dive this things follow you like a smell for sometime after. Coopers hard and his specialism is off the ball intimidation. Dublins soft fall in attack is a system though and any ref can see through that.

Not a one off from the Dubs though - Philly McMahon has form too.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Diving as a tactic, I think I've heard it all now!! Just 2 words as a retort to that, Sean Cavanagh.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2017, 08:59:55 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Diving as a tactic, I think I've heard it all now!! Just 2 words as a retort to that, Sean Cavanagh.

Can anyone actually point to any incidents of sean cavanagh diving or are you all just sheep following a lazy amateur analysis from RTE 3 or 4 years ago?

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2017, 09:54:47 AM

Can anyone actually point to any incidents of sean cavanagh diving or are you all just sheep following a lazy amateur analysis from RTE 3 or 4 years ago?

You might be waiting a while there a chara ;)

McMahon and Cooper are at their dirt every game and it usually off the ball. Umpires and linesman are either clean useless or blatantly ignore it.

As for Sean, the amount of abuse he takes during a game is unreal. I watched him closely  v Down and it is a credit to the mam he kept the head. The nipple nipping was mild.

Anyone that says he dives is talking through their hole

He dives.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2017, 08:59:55 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Diving as a tactic, I think I've heard it all now!! Just 2 words as a retort to that, Sean Cavanagh.

Don't be so naive! Dubs and Kerry use every trick in the book. If you earn a reputation for getting up early, you can sleep till lunch.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 13, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
He dives.

Repeat it all you want. It doesn't make it true.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 13, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
He dives.

Evidence buddy, or is your computer not working so good?

Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2017, 04:14:01 PM
Tyrone tackle will be faultless. That has taken years to perfect. A weak referee that rewards the free winning antics of Dublin will be a crucial need for Dublin in this regard. Who knows. If pressure is applied and the the ref goes out to do a job on Tyrone. Over the years the fake punditry and the rte paranoia of losing banquet coverage...for all that tradition. You never know.

Agree with all of this

Just watched the highlights of the league match again.
Sludden had a great game - what relation is he to the ref (if any)? Is he still reffing btw?

Has anyone any actual evidence that he dives?
Anyone??

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 13, 2017, 11:48:17 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 13, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
He dives.

Evidence buddy, or is your computer not working so good?

You won't get it. He's just another subscriber to the "if Joe Brolly said it then it must be true" philosophy. Nonsense of course. As someone who never misses a game I can tell you what sean has to put up with from opposition players and fans is ridiculous. Donegal have been chief culprits in recent times. Manys a man would have thought "to hell with this" and hung up the boots but it's a measure of the man that he's stuck it out.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:16:56 PM

Quote from: dublin7 on August 12, 2017, 10:33:44 PM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Ridiculous post. It's one thing for the dubs to get abuse for money/grants but now apparently they dive as well and this from a Tyrone fan!!! Pot, kettle, black. No one has mastered the art of diving/falling for frees like Sean Cavanagh. Honorable mention to his brother Colm and who can forget Tiernan's dive. I can only assume the post was a wind up because no one could take it seriously

This is definitely no wind up. Your lads systematically earn yourselves frees in kickable positions for Rock. It was blatant against Monaghan and is a good tactic to keep the scoreboard ticking over with such a reliable free taker. It's fine pointing the finger at Tyrone, but your lads have turned it into an essential part of your actual gameplan. A forward line that has lost a top of their game Flynn and Bernard Brogan not to mention Alan Brogan and for most of the season Connolly, it's hardly surprising that Gavlin has opted to take some of the scoring pressure off the forward unit. It's definitely not as scary a forward line as it was a few years ago.....as long as there is a strong ref. And I haven't even mentioned the blatant injury feigning to get lads sent off! Have you acknowledged Coopers antics yet?

Such hypocritical; from Tyronies! there is not now nor has there ever been a more cynical team when it comes to diving than Tyrone, in fact their hero big Sean is the softest midfielder to play the game in decades, McCann is young and stupid enough to f**k it up worse than anyone ever has, any coach with any sense of decency at all would have hauled the f**ker off by the neck after his swan lake.

I am looking forward to a brilliant, tense game and I hope Dublin come out on top but I fear Tyrone will nick it by a point, all that said, we will see two brilliant sides at their absolute best.

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He dives.

Evidence buddy, or is your computer not working so good?

You won't get it. He's just another subscriber to the "if Joe Brolly said it then it must be true" philosophy. Nonsense of course. As someone who never misses a game I can tell you what sean has to put up with from opposition players and fans is ridiculous. Donegal have been chief culprits in recent times. Manys a man would have thought "to hell with this" and hung up the boots but it's a measure of the man that he's stuck it out.

Looks like all the lemmings have gone over that cliff ;)

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Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)

If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Ridiculous post. It's one thing for the dubs to get abuse for money/grants but now apparently they dive as well and this from a Tyrone fan!!! Pot, kettle, black. No one has mastered the art of diving/falling for frees like Sean Cavanagh. Honorable mention to his brother Colm and who can forget Tiernan's dive. I can only assume the post was a wind up because no one could take it seriously

This is definitely no wind up. Your lads systematically earn yourselves frees in kickable positions for Rock. It was blatant against Monaghan and is a good tactic to keep the scoreboard ticking over with such a reliable free taker. It's fine pointing the finger at Tyrone, but your lads have turned it into an essential part of your actual gameplan. A forward line that has lost a top of their game Flynn and Bernard Brogan not to mention Alan Brogan and for most of the season Connolly, it's hardly surprising that Gavlin has opted to take some of the scoring pressure off the forward unit. It's definitely not as scary a forward line as it was a few years ago.....as long as there is a strong ref. And I haven't even mentioned the blatant injury feigning to get lads sent off! Have you acknowledged Coopers antics yet?

Such hypocritical; from Tyronies! there is not now nor has there ever been a more cynical team when it comes to diving than Tyrone, in fact their hero big Sean is the softest midfielder to play the game in decades, McCann is young and stupid enough to f**k it up worse than anyone ever has, any coach with any sense of decency at all would have hauled the f**ker off by the neck after his swan lake.

I am looking forward to a brilliant, tense game and I hope Dublin come out on top but I fear Tyrone will nick it by a point, all that said, we will see two brilliant sides at their absolute best.

Stew, just because you have a particular notion of what Tyrone did or didn't do in your mind, doesn't make the point about Dublin winning frees and feigning injury any less valid. If you can watch Philly McMahon's behaviour v Mayo last year, Jonny Cooper's behaviour v Monaghan this year and the systematic falling over within shooting distance of their current crop of players and ignore it because "Tyrone ones supposedly do it" then that's fine. I hope the officials aren't quite as blinkered in their decision making.

I work out how to transfer video tapes to you tube give i give u 10 years of diving, good footballer but biggest con artist in the game, time u Tyronies took the blinkers off

Jaysus, I hope those pure Tyrone lads will be OK coming up against those dirty, diving, intimidating Dubs.

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Jaysus, I hope those pure Tyrone lads will be OK coming up against those dirty, diving, intimidating Dubs.

As long as there's a strong ref we'll be fine!

Fuzzman, maybe rename this thread 'the sour grapes lemming bandwagon'? Would seem to fit the profile of the recent contributions. ;)

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I work out how to transfer video tapes to you tube give i give u 10 years of diving, good footballer but biggest con artist in the game, time u Tyronies took the blinkers off

That's a huge project, but you'll have to reject the ones where Sean was touched by a hand, that's interpreted as a forearm smash.
But hey, let's not quibble about big Sean in his swan dive championship campaign.

Will being labelled as playing like a pack of wild animals by one of the true great players of the 21C  bother the Tyrone team? I suspect that sort of thing will be like water of a ducks back and we'll be seeing pictures of Tyrone players with unmelted butter in their mouths

Thanks Main Street, just proved my point! :)

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I think it's gas the last few years the relationship between most of the Mayo and Tyrone fans and the lack of respect for each other.

I think a lot of Tyrone fans feel Mayo are a good team but are always the nearly men that just don't have what it takes to get over the line. They probably lack that inner self belief that they are good enough which gives you that little bit extra to win out close games rather than draw them.

Mayo fans can't understand Tyrone's arrogance and over confidence when they play teams like them, Kerry and Dublin and why can't they be more realistic in that they've not beaten a top team now for 9 years.
Mayo see themselves as a top 2 or 3 team for a long period of time now and use this term one of the most consistent teams about and they would say Tyrone fans don't give them enough credit for that.

This is what I think anyway and it amuses me again to read some of their posters (and Rossies & others) get annoyed that Tyrone believe they are good enough to beat Dublin.
As Mickey Harte used to say back in the 2000s, if you yourself believe you can do something then you have a good chance that you will succeed. However, if you aren't sure and don't really believe then you are already at a huge disadvantage.
In fairness to Armagh they went into their games against Tyrone in 2003 and 2005 totally believing they were going to win and that very nearly got them over the line.

I have to say I think the exact same about Tyrone the last 6 to 7 years. Like it or hate it, There are a lot of similarities between both teams.

I don't think there was much belief in Tyrone after 2008 up until Harte, with the introduction of Peter Donnelly in 2015 have completely reinvented the style of football we played.

This particular side 2015-present is a different animal to that of 2009-2015 in both terms of personell and tactics. As I mentioned a short while ago, only 6 of the side who took part in the 2013 semi final against Mayo were involved against Armagh last week.

We've been building for the last two years and I think now is time we deliver. It's a big task but I 100% believe we can put it up to Dublin and if we do that then it's anyone's game.

I think the issue Mayo have with Tyrone re-emerging is that this particular Mayo side has been around since 2011 and have been one of the top 4 sides in that particular time with Dublin, Kerry and Donegal. Unlike those sides Mayo have not got over the line and I think it irks them that Tyrone have came back in the past couple years and might jump ahead of them in the queue.

Mayo really should have won one in the last few years, I don't think they were good in 2011 or 2012 as they were comfortably beaten by Kerry in 2011 and the final was over against Donegal in 2012 after 10 minutes. 2013-2016 they really should have won one if not more, 2013 the games was there for the taking in the last 10 minutes with Dublin effectively carrying two lads with concussion and a torn hamstring. 2014, they should have seen it out against Kerry, irrespective of a few bad decisions against them from the referee and I firmly believe they had Donegal's number at that time. 2015, they should have seen it out against Dublin after going 4/5 points up with 15-20 mins to go and last year they were in the driving seat until Hennelly imploded.

It's been said alot over the past few years that Mayo are running out of time, they've confounded that by coming back but I believe they are still past their peak, even if they are still capable. I think right now Tyrone are coming into their peak. Outside of the Cavanaghs, Justy and McCarron and McCrory - all those lads are 27 and under. I think there's a bit of ire from Mayo lads to Tyrone as they know their time is near an end whereas Tyrone will be around for the next 5 years and could do it.

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Thanks Main Street, just proved my point! :)

Serious chip that boy has  ;D ;D

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Thanks Main Street, just proved my point! :)

Serious chip that boy has  ;D ;D

And the winner of the 2017 prize for being oblivious to the bleedin' obvious is... :D

This is the thread about a much-anticipated game, yet recent, rather pathetic, contributions have polluted it with totally unsubstantiated claims about Seán Cavanagh - time to put up or shut the f**k up, seriously. :(

Yea I seen Sean Cavanagh dive in the Armagh game alright. But he stopped what looked like a certain Armagh score with a fantastic block on his own half back line. Some player one of the best in the Country.

"If" Tyrone beat Dublin Sean has a chance to go level with Stephen Cluxton for the most championship games played. Particularly impressive from a man who plays outfield.

Midfield will be huge in this game. I think Tyrone will give themselves a great chance if they go man to man for Cluxtons kick outs. I don't believe in letting the opposition win their own kick outs.

Good man Íseal, back to the nitty-gritty, and yes, midfield and concession of kickouts could indeed be key,

Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on August 13, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
Yea I seen Sean Cavanagh dive in the Armagh game alright. But he stopped what looked like a certain Armagh score with a fantastic block on his own half back line. Some player one of the best in the Country.

"If" Tyrone beat Dublin Sean has a chance to go level with Stephen Cluxton for the most championship games played. Particularly impressive from a man who plays outfield.

Midfield will be huge in this game. I think Tyrone will give themselves a great chance if they go man to man for Cluxtons kick outs. I don't believe in letting the opposition win their own kick outs.

I'd love if they went man to man on Cluxtons kick out.

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Yea I seen Sean Cavanagh dive in the Armagh game alright. But he stopped what looked like a certain Armagh score with a fantastic block on his own half back line. Some player one of the best in the Country.

"If" Tyrone beat Dublin Sean has a chance to go level with Stephen Cluxton for the most championship games played. Particularly impressive from a man who plays outfield.

Midfield will be huge in this game. I think Tyrone will give themselves a great chance if they go man to man for Cluxtons kick outs. I don't believe in letting the opposition win their own kick outs.

I'd love if they went man to man on Cluxtons kick out.

I never understood why anyone would stand off on the kickouts.

I think we'll see a mixture of pushing up and conceding kick outs on the 27th. I will be more interested to see what Dublin do. They'll have noted that most of the goal chances we've created have been from Morgan's long range kick outs being won and moved at pace into the FF line. They'll want that avenue shut down immediately.

Our gameplan has more or less been pushed on us due to the type of forwards we have available to us. As a result of this system most teams are forced to totally change their shape and system. Will the Dubs go into a defensive shell or back themselves to blow us away?

Although very early in the year this was their line up:

Cluxton; J Cooper (0-01), P McMahon (0-01), M Fitzsimons; J McCarthy, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton (0-01), MD Macauley; C Basquel, C Kilkenny (0-01), N Scully; D Rock (0-06, 0-06f), E O'Gara, P Mannion.

That's not a million miles from the team that'll start in a fortnight. Interestingly, that was the first time a team avoided defeat by Jim Gavin's Dublin three outings in a row.

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I think we'll see a mixture of pushing up and conceding kick outs on the 27th. I will be more interested to see what Dublin do. They'll have noted that most of the goal chances we've created have been from Morgan's long range kick outs being won and moved at pace into the FF line. They'll want that avenue shut down immediately.

Our gameplan has more or less been pushed on us due to the type of forwards we have available to us. As a result of this system most teams are forced to totally change their shape and system. Will the Dubs go into a defensive shell or back themselves to blow us away?

Although very early in the year this was their line up:

Cluxton; J Cooper (0-01), P McMahon (0-01), M Fitzsimons; J McCarthy, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton (0-01), MD Macauley; C Basquel, C Kilkenny (0-01), N Scully; D Rock (0-06, 0-06f), E O'Gara, P Mannion.

That's not a million miles from the team that'll start in a fortnight. Interestingly, that was the first time a team avoided defeat by Jim Gavin's Dublin three outings in a row.

Think this is not far off, dublin struggled badly in the league to break down the Tyrone defence, only in the last 10 minutes after S.cavanagh over carried on his own 45 and munroe kicking away possession, and the momentum swung to dublin and they do not need an invitation.

What I would love to see happen and will be unlikely, is cluxton to be put on his hole when he walks to the goals by cavanagh or donnelly, for the simple reasons he won't be expecting it (keepers don't expect nor are used to the physical stuff) and to create bit of chaos, as any team that has joy in putting dublin under pressure puts cluxton under pressure and lets see how accurate he is then. Bit out there but Dublin are a class act and tyrone will have to have a few surprises up there sleeve and push the limits of their tackling. But then the man in the middle is crucial and god knows what clown will get it ::)

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I think we'll see a mixture of pushing up and conceding kick outs on the 27th. I will be more interested to see what Dublin do. They'll have noted that most of the goal chances we've created have been from Morgan's long range kick outs being won and moved at pace into the FF line. They'll want that avenue shut down immediately.

Our gameplan has more or less been pushed on us due to the type of forwards we have available to us. As a result of this system most teams are forced to totally change their shape and system. Will the Dubs go into a defensive shell or back themselves to blow us away?

Although very early in the year this was their line up:

Cluxton; J Cooper (0-01), P McMahon (0-01), M Fitzsimons; J McCarthy, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton (0-01), MD Macauley; C Basquel, C Kilkenny (0-01), N Scully; D Rock (0-06, 0-06f), E O'Gara, P Mannion.

That's not a million miles from the team that'll start in a fortnight. Interestingly, that was the first time a team avoided defeat by Jim Gavin's Dublin three outings in a row.

If my memory served me correctly, Kerry pushed up on Cluxton's kick outs but only after free kicks. This enabled them to get into position as they knew the ball will go dead. It's too risky pushing up on every kick out as Cluxton is so quick and accurate and will catch you in no mans land. Dublin where all over the place just before half time and Cluxton was rattled big time. I suspect Mickey will have looked at this and been working on a similar plan for their kick outs.

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Sorry Gael85, he is not suspended for yer game but could be for the final.

It's a joke. Nothing against McCarron but how can you pick up 4 yellows in two games and not get a suspension

You just don't. It's not that hard to understand.

Who said it was hard to understand.

Sorry, I thought you didn't know how it can happen.

My point is it does happen but in my opinion it shouldn't. It should result in a ban

Is this game officially sold out?

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Is this game officially sold out?

Not yet but it will they reckon. Need to see what clubs send back and if that allocation sells then before being a sellout

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 (8)
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)


I reckon this will be the Tyrone team to start against Dublin.

Shhhh never kicked a ball
We can't be giving away any secrets this early before the game.

I reckon John Lynch will be brought in to mark Connolly.

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1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 (8)
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)


I reckon this will be the Tyrone team to start against Dublin.

I would say 12 of the side that started against Armagh are absolute bankers to start against Dublin. Conall McCann and Kieran McGeary were out of sorts the last day and their positions will come under threat. McClure had a very good game last week but Mickey might prefer for him to come into the game. I think it will be one of McClure or McCann starting and the other players in contention for a starting spot that did not start last week are Rory Brennan, Meyler and Mulgrew.

Meyler hasn't had much of a look in this season (he's only played 50 minutes so far in the Championship) but he has a serious engine of him and was very impressive against Dublin in the league.

Any word on the availability of McNabb?

I'm hearing that at training they have been playing Aidan McCrory at 14.

Interesting read from Madden on Monday in the Irish news today

There's not much point in beating about the bush this week. It's time to engage in some serious football talk. We are on the cusp of the most eagerly anticipated Championship game in quite some time, so the question on most people's lips right now is: Do Tyrone have the game to beat Dublin? 

To contest or not contest

I suppose the big question here is will both teams contest the opposition's kick-out? I think they will want to at different stages and this is how they will go about it. It was really interesting to watch the approach in the respective quarter-finals when Tyrone and Dublin both adopted almost identical strategies.

To go completely man-to-man on kick-outs in Croke Park is both a futile and dangerous approach. Against Armagh, when they chose to contest, Tyrone played in a line of three, splitting across their full-forward line, a line of three or four across their half-forward line, three across the middle and behind that were two free sweepers to guard against the long ball over the top.

Each player was responsible for an area rather than a specific player so it prevents people being pulled all over the big wide open spaces. But it is important to realise that this shape was possible because Armagh tried to play 'rope-a-dope' by pulling most of their players inside their own half to leave the space to go long over the top.

Monaghan tried the same thing and Dublin responded with a similar set-up which left Cian O'Sullivan and Johnny Cooper free sweeping behind the midfield. This type of structured set-up is a balanced approach which can be very rewarding if you make an interception (like Paul Geaney did in 2014) and at the same time guards against being exposed (see Neil Gallagher v Dublin also in 2014).

Both goalkeepers are going to be under immense pressure in this game so how the mix of short, long and placed kicks works out could be critical.



The defences

I think the Red Hands defensive structure is definitely good enough and I believe it is the best it has ever been.

To date, Tyrone have played eight Championship games in the last two seasons.

In six of those encounters they didn't concede a goal. The incredible movement and scoring ability of the Dublin forwards will ask different questions but the Tyrone double sweeper system makes it very difficult for the opposition to get quality early ball into the full-forward line.

In front of them is a line of five or six pressing the ball with serious intensity – starting just outside the 45-metre line.

Both sides of the pitch are covered to guard against the opposition switching the play. All potential shooters inside the 45 are also man-marked. If a runner sneaks in behind, Colm Cavanagh or his rotating sweeper accomplice has him immediately.

They shut the space down very quickly and tackle with great force and discipline.

It's a regimental system that has every possible manoeuvre covered.

When necessary, Dublin attack with good width and patience but Tyrone will match this with relentless, aggressive, disciplined defending. The Red Hand message will be clear. To win this game Dublin are going to have to reach double figures in scores from distance,  that is from 40 yards and further back.

I can't see Jim Gavin going with the same forward line as the Monaghan game and I think there will be a couple of changes.

I feel he will probably start Paul Flynn or Diarmuid Connolly in place of Eric Lowndes.

But what he does with his full forward-line will be most interesting. I feel he will still go with Paul Mannion inside. He hit 0-3 against Monaghan but crucially he's also left-footed which gives them a different kicking angle which will pull Tyrone defenders in another direction.

With a double sweeper in place, it mightn't be the game for Paddy Andrews to start in.

In that case, I have a hunch that we will see Eoghan O'Gara on the square as an option to kick long and also a decoy for when they run the ball.

The thing about O'Gara is he won't be stripped of the ball easily and his ball-winning tends to be nice and close to goal.

He has the capability of bulldozing his way through two or three men and winning frees.

With Connolly, Andrews, Bernard Brogan, Kevin McManaman, Cormac Costello and Michael Darragh Macauley all in reserve, Dublin have a serious scoring options to come in.

The attacks

Ultimately, this is where the game will be won and lost. Apparently Tyrone don't have a marquee forward. If you look at the individual scoring charts from this year's Championship they definitely support the argument.

There are 19 players from 15 different counties on it and none of them are Tyrone men. Some would point to that being a weakness, while others will consider it a major strength that their scores are coming from such a wide range of players. I actually think they do have a top forward in Mark Bradley, but Tyrone's system of play to date doesn't particularly sway towards making him a pivotal figure in the game.

That's perfectly fine. There's more than one way to skin a cat and all that.

The Red Hands have hit 6-77 in their four Championship games. Of course that has been against teams of a much lesser standard, but a scoring average of 24 points would indicate that Tyrone have improved and evolved as an attacking unit.

They may need to break the 20-point mark to beat Dublin and running at them will be key to punching those holes.

However, their best line-breakers such as Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly and Tiernan McCann will be targeted on a personal level in an attempt to counter Tyrone's running game.

I have no doubt Dublin will bend all the rules to do this and I think they will have some success. Although I feel that Tyrone have a better defensive set-up than Dublin, I also believe the Red Hands have more to prepare for to curtail the Dublin attack.

For me, Tyrone will have to bring something different to their game going forward if they are to win.

Michael Fitzsimmons will probably pick up Mark Bradley with Cian O'Sullivan sweeping in front.

Philly McMahon will then beast it out all over the pitch with Sean Cavanagh.

I'm not advocating that Tyrone play a route one game. That won't work. But I feel that they need to mix it up a bit and ask questions of Cian O'Sullivan and the
full-back line that he protects. Their running game, combined with kicking the odd ball to an isolated Mark Bradley mightn't be enough.

The only teams that have really threatened to beat Dublin in the past few years have been Kerry and Mayo who both play a far more traditional game than Tyrone do.

In my opinion they need to bring something extra, something different, something fresh. Something that deep down the Dubs won't be expecting.

Tyrone need to compromise the Dublin defensive system by stretching it more and forcing it take up a different shape than the one they have planned for.

I feel their game needs to involve a better mix of measured kicking and running.

To do this, they will need to play two, or possibly three, inside at times which will also leave more gaps for the running game.

The problem with this is it may be viewed as compromising their defensive structure that demands almost everyone back behind the ball.

If an attack breaks down and you've more players closer to the Dublin goal, this will present a serious challenge to get back into shape and press.

But they can still find a way of playing two or three up top even if it's only for certain periods of the game. This will bring a completely different attacking dynamic which has the potential to create scoring chances unlike before.

Leaving Mark Bradley isolated plus their brilliant running game won't cut it in my opinion. It's too predictable and it's exactly what Dublin are planning for.

For me, it boils down to one of two things: Has the master that is Mickey Harte been plotting all along to tweak their gameplan to beat Dublin or, deep down, does he believe what they are currently doing will be good enough?

It may be a minor gamble, but without the risk of change, I believe there will be no reward.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2017, 03:34:32 PM


The only teams that have really threatened to beat Dublin in the past few years have been Kerry and Mayo who both play a far more traditional game than Tyrone do.

The only team to beat Dublin in the last few years is Donegal who played a non-traditional game. Kerry and Mayo may have came closest in the past two years but it's more likely it's to do with the fact that they have been the two top teams outside of Dublin in that time, rather than the style of football they play.

That just seems to be lazy journalism.

Don't agree with Madden at all in that article. There is no chance that Harte will change the defensive gameplan that he has been honing for a few years now and nor should he at this stage. They have one way of playing and that is not going to change. It could easily be enough to frustrate the Dubs and hit them with fast counter attacks..   

Mickey is well known for being able to adapt his tactics and throw a curve ball.
In his first book I think he talked about what Armagh would be expecting them to do and how he had to come up with something different.

The kick-outs have become a huge part of the game compared to years ago when you just launched it down the middle. You would imagine if either keeper make a mess of a kick out and the other team get in for a goal it could be the end of the game, just like Kerry did to Donegal in 2014.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
Don't agree with Madden at all in that article. There is no chance that Harte will change the defensive gameplan that he has been honing for a few years now and nor should he at this stage. They have one way of playing and that is not going to change. It could easily be enough to frustrate the Dubs and hit them with fast counter attacks..   

I wouldn't be so sure, and our last three 2017 league games (all defeats) tell me that MH had something else in mind, where our usual approach to games was abandoned, yet we could snap straight back for the Ulster opener against Derry. He's never been one to be as predictable as that, when his head is in the right place.

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 14, 2017, 03:40:18 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2017, 03:34:32 PM


The only teams that have really threatened to beat Dublin in the past few years have been Kerry and Mayo who both play a far more traditional game than Tyrone do.

The only team to beat Dublin in the last few years is Donegal who played a non-traditional game. Kerry and Mayo may have came closest in the past two years but it's more likely it's to do with the fact that they have been the two top teams outside of Dublin in that time, rather than the style of football they play.

That just seems to be lazy journalism.

Mayo/Kerry have a lot of success in them games pushing up on Cluxton kick outs though they were unable to that for 70 minutes. Tyrone have been training since November? So fitness won't be issue with.Dublin goal threat has reduced greatly since Donegal 2014 since we have employed a more defensive approach. Throw in Tyrone excellent discipline in the tackle they won't conceed too many score able frees. We only scored one free against Donegal in 2014. Kerry only scored 6 points in that famous semi final in 2003 against Tyrone so they will try hold Dublin to something similar.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2017, 05:30:34 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
Don't agree with Madden at all in that article. There is no chance that Harte will change the defensive gameplan that he has been honing for a few years now and nor should he at this stage. They have one way of playing and that is not going to change. It could easily be enough to frustrate the Dubs and hit them with fast counter attacks..   

I wouldn't be so sure, and our last three 2017 league games (all defeats) tell me that MH had something else in mind, where our usual approach to games was abandoned, yet we could snap straight back for the Ulster opener against Derry. He's never been one to be as predictable as that, when his head is in the right place.

So he is going to abandon a tried and tested system going into an AI semi final and revert back to a system that you reckon he trialled in the last 3 league games, all of which he lost. To think that he is going to go all out attack against the best attacking side in the country and play 2/3 men inside is ridiculous. If it ain't broke don't fix it.   

Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2017, 05:51:50 PM

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2017, 05:30:34 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
Don't agree with Madden at all in that article. There is no chance that Harte will change the defensive gameplan that he has been honing for a few years now and nor should he at this stage. They have one way of playing and that is not going to change. It could easily be enough to frustrate the Dubs and hit them with fast counter attacks..   

I wouldn't be so sure, and our last three 2017 league games (all defeats) tell me that MH had something else in mind, where our usual approach to games was abandoned, yet we could snap straight back for the Ulster opener against Derry. He's never been one to be as predictable as that, when his head is in the right place.

So he is going to abandon a tried and tested system going into an AI semi final and revert back to a system that you reckon he trialled in the last 3 league games, all of which he lost. To think that he is going to go all out attack against the best attacking side in the country and play 2/3 men inside is ridiculous. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I didn't say that, just expect the unexpected.

Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2017, 02:21:54 PM
I'm hearing that at training they have been playing Aidan McCrory at 14.

Don't tell Golden years. He will have a fit. 😂

Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 in 2016 and by 3 in 2015...but carry on.

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 points to Dublin the All Ireland semi final last year, the sides were level with 72 minutes played and the last two Dublin points were scored deep into injury time in the 74th and 75th minute.

Not sure how convinced he is but Mr Harte probably believes Tyrone are as good as both Kerry and Mayo.

Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 14, 2017, 09:32:10 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 in 2016 and by 3 in 2015...but carry on.

Ya your right. Point stays the same. Care to offer anything else

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2017, 09:39:06 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 points to Dublin the All Ireland semi final last year, the sides were level with 72 minutes played and the last two Dublin points were scored deep into injury time in the 74th and 75th minute.

Not sure how convinced he is but Mr Harte probably believes Tyrone are as good as both Kerry and Mayo.

Oh I've no doubt Mickey Harte feels his team are better then Kerry or Mayo. On what basis he feels this I don't yet know  but why is he so convinced the style of football he has spent the last couple of years at is the way to go 

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:44:36 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2017, 09:39:06 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 points to Dublin the All Ireland semi final last year, the sides were level with 72 minutes played and the last two Dublin points were scored deep into injury time in the 74th and 75th minute.

Not sure how convinced he is but Mr Harte probably believes Tyrone are as good as both Kerry and Mayo.

Oh I've no doubt Mickey Harte feels his team are better then Kerry or Mayo. On what basis he feels this I don't yet know  but why is he so convinced the style of football he has spent the last couple of years at is the way to go

You'd be a pretty shite manager if you weren't convinced that what you were working on for the last couple of years, was the way to go. Mickey isn't a shite manager and is probably convinced that his team are better than last year when they really should have beaten Mayo.

Who's Reffing?

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:40:20 PM

Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 14, 2017, 09:32:10 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 in 2016 and by 3 in 2015...but carry on.

Ya your right. Point stays the same. Care to offer anything else

You should have stopped there.

What you are failing to say is Dublin can win close games as well as blowouts.

Kerry, on the other hand, appear to have a far greater number of close losses than close wins down through the years.

Quote from: sam03/05 on August 14, 2017, 10:58:48 PM
Who's Reffing?

David Coldrick.

Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 14, 2017, 09:32:10 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 in 2016 and by 3 in 2015...but carry on.

why does the margin matter

THEY LOST.

Is that clear enough?

Quote from: INDIANA on August 14, 2017, 11:27:48 PM

Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 14, 2017, 09:32:10 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 in 2016 and by 3 in 2015...but carry on.

why does the margin matter

THEY LOST.

Is that clear enough?

Well no. For example losing by 21 tells a much different story than losing by 3.

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2017, 10:17:49 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:44:36 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2017, 09:39:06 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 points to Dublin the All Ireland semi final last year, the sides were level with 72 minutes played and the last two Dublin points were scored deep into injury time in the 74th and 75th minute.

Not sure how convinced he is but Mr Harte probably believes Tyrone are as good as both Kerry and Mayo.

Oh I've no doubt Mickey Harte feels his team are better then Kerry or Mayo. On what basis he feels this I don't yet know  but why is he so convinced the style of football he has spent the last couple of years at is the way to go

You'd be a pretty shite manager if you weren't convinced that what you were working on for the last couple of years, was the way to go. Mickey isn't a shite manager and is probably convinced that his team are better than last year when they really should have beaten Mayo.

Mickey  has gone all in on this system despite the fact they couldn't even beat Mayo with it last year. What happens if come Sunday it transpires that Jim Galvin has it sussed. Donegal 2014 was 3 years ago and Dublin are playing a different game now.

Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2017, 12:14:22 AM

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2017, 10:17:49 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:44:36 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2017, 09:39:06 PM

Quote from: criostlinn on August 14, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 points to Dublin the All Ireland semi final last year, the sides were level with 72 minutes played and the last two Dublin points were scored deep into injury time in the 74th and 75th minute.

Not sure how convinced he is but Mr Harte probably believes Tyrone are as good as both Kerry and Mayo.

Oh I've no doubt Mickey Harte feels his team are better then Kerry or Mayo. On what basis he feels this I don't yet know  but why is he so convinced the style of football he has spent the last couple of years at is the way to go

You'd be a pretty shite manager if you weren't convinced that what you were working on for the last couple of years, was the way to go. Mickey isn't a shite manager and is probably convinced that his team are better than last year when they really should have beaten Mayo.

Mickey  has gone all in on this system despite the fact they couldn't even beat Mayo with it last year. What happens if come Sunday it transpires that Jim Galvin has it sussed. Donegal 2014 was 3 years ago and Dublin are playing a different game now.

Tyrone aren't just Donegal 2014. And if that's what's the Dubs expect then happy days. Tyrone are better than last year.

Lads calm down, its an all ireland semi, Mickey Harte will be prepared 😂

You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win. 

Yellowcard, did you join Main Street and also marry a Tyrone woman as both of ye sometimes shock me with your very pro Tyrone stance.

I think it's fair to say that Mickey knows the system he has his team playing the last few years has been with playing a style to suit his players and to combat Dublin and Kerry (OK OK and maybe Mayo as well  ;D)

I don't think you will see Mickey move too far away from that template against the Dubs but there is of course the likelihood he will try somethings different.
For me kick-outs are a huge big deal in the game now and get them wrong the can lead to goal chances.
A bad short kick-out or one that a forward guesses right and intercepts can lead to a goal and in tight matches like this that can be the winning or losing of the game.
Also this year we've seen a lot more of the long kickout over the heads of the midfielders and so if it breaks right can lead to a player having a straight run through for a goal chance on the other end as Peter Harte had v Armagh but messed it up.

As Whelan said on TSG, you would not be surprised if both teams play it cagey for most of the game and let the other team win their own kick-outs so it will almost become like basketball where it's a matter of taking turns at attacks and can ye score or will it be turned over and the other team then attack.

Id say for a lot of neutrals it will not be an enjoyable game, especially if you like to see traditional kicking it in early to the FF line but for the two set of supporters and those who like tactical battles I'd say it could be a cracker.
I liked the way in recent games Tyrone have created goals chances from kicking it in long to space in behind the defence. Sean Cavanagh's pass to Mulgrew in the Armagh game was exquisite as it had to be weighted exactly right though Mulgrew still had a lot to do and resisted the blast it at the keeper option.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 15, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
Yellowcard, did you join Main Street and also marry a Tyrone woman as both of ye sometimes shock me with your very pro Tyrone stance.

I think it's fair to say that Mickey knows the system he has his team playing the last few years has been with playing a style to suit his players and to combat Dublin and Kerry (OK OK and maybe Mayo as well  ;D)

I don't think you will see Mickey move too far away from that template against the Dubs but there is of course the likelihood he will try somethings different.
For me kick-outs are a huge big deal in the game now and get them wrong the can lead to goal chances.
A bad short kick-out or one that a forward guesses right and intercepts can lead to a goal and in tight matches like this that can be the winning or losing of the game.
Also this year we've seen a lot more of the long kickout over the heads of the midfielders and so if it breaks right can lead to a player having a straight run through for a goal chance on the other end as Peter Harte had v Armagh but messed it up.

As Whelan said on TSG, you would not be surprised if both teams play it cagey for most of the game and let the other team win their own kick-outs so it will almost become like basketball where it's a matter of taking turns at attacks and can ye score or will it be turned over and the other team then attack.

Id say for a lot of neutrals it will not be an enjoyable game, especially if you like to see traditional kicking it in early to the FF line but for the two set of supporters and those who like tactical battles I'd say it could be a cracker.
I liked the way in recent games Tyrone have created goals chances from kicking it in long to space in behind the defence. Sean Cavanagh's pass to Mulgrew in the Armagh game was exquisite as it had to be weighted exactly right though Mulgrew still had a lot to do and resisted the blast it at the keeper option.

To me there are goals there for Tyrone if they can isolate the Dublin full back, the full back line is the closest thing to a weakness Dublin have and Tyrone can be explosive in front of goal and have the ponies to score goals. I see them winning this game but Dublin are brilliant as well, should be quite the contest.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 15, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
Yellowcard, did you join Main Street and also marry a Tyrone woman as both of ye sometimes shock me with your very pro Tyrone stance.

I think it's fair to say that Mickey knows the system he has his team playing the last few years has been with playing a style to suit his players and to combat Dublin and Kerry (OK OK and maybe Mayo as well  ;D)

I don't think you will see Mickey move too far away from that template against the Dubs but there is of course the likelihood he will try somethings different.
For me kick-outs are a huge big deal in the game now and get them wrong the can lead to goal chances.
A bad short kick-out or one that a forward guesses right and intercepts can lead to a goal and in tight matches like this that can be the winning or losing of the game.
Also this year we've seen a lot more of the long kickout over the heads of the midfielders and so if it breaks right can lead to a player having a straight run through for a goal chance on the other end as Peter Harte had v Armagh but messed it up.

As Whelan said on TSG, you would not be surprised if both teams play it cagey for most of the game and let the other team win their own kick-outs so it will almost become like basketball where it's a matter of taking turns at attacks and can ye score or will it be turned over and the other team then attack.

Id say for a lot of neutrals it will not be an enjoyable game, especially if you like to see traditional kicking it in early to the FF line but for the two set of supporters and those who like tactical battles I'd say it could be a cracker.
I liked the way in recent games Tyrone have created goals chances from kicking it in long to space in behind the defence. Sean Cavanagh's pass to Mulgrew in the Armagh game was exquisite as it had to be weighted exactly right though Mulgrew still had a lot to do and resisted the blast it at the keeper option.

Certainly not, I'm neither pro or anti Tyrone just giving my honest opinion. I agree that this will be an overly tactical battle and the match will be won and lost on the sideline as much as it will on the field. I think if Micky Harte can win an AI with this Tyrone side, it will be his greatest ever achievement.   

Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2017, 10:37:58 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

That probably rings true as well since I think they have weaknesses in the full back line as well that he is probably trying to cover up by offering them more protection. So what you get in Tyrone matches is a crowded defence who make it very difficult for opponents to kick the ball long into a full forward line that are operating in congested space and a Tyrone side that when they turn the ball over, have very few bodies up the pitch so that they have to run it deep from defence. It's like groundhog day with a lot of sideways passing and a basketball type affair with very little kick passing. I expect more of this on Sunday with a low scoring contest with very few goal chances. To expect Harte to do anything different at this stage would be foolish. If it doesn't work then it doesn't mean that another system would have worked. To believe that then you would have to believe that Tyrone have better players than Dublin which I don't think too many people would argue. Frustrating Dublin and denying them the space they need is the best way of giving themselves the best opportunity to win the match. 

Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2017, 10:37:58 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

agree with this to an extent. It probably comes down to this. On paper they are outsiders

Quote from: criostlinn on August 15, 2017, 10:37:58 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

They could just hang in there for another couple of years in the hope that Dublin get bored winning AIs.

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You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

They could just hang in there for another couple of years in the hope that Dublin get bored winning AIs.

Armagh got bored quickly.

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You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

That probably rings true as well since I think they have weaknesses in the full back line as well that he is probably trying to cover up by offering them more protection. So what you get in Tyrone matches is a crowded defence who make it very difficult for opponents to kick the ball long into a full forward line that are operating in congested space and a Tyrone side that when they turn the ball over, have very few bodies up the pitch so that they have to run it deep from defence. It's like groundhog day with a lot of sideways passing and a basketball type affair with very little kick passing. I expect more of this on Sunday with a low scoring contest with very few goal chances. To expect Harte to do anything different at this stage would be foolish. If it doesn't work then it doesn't mean that another system would have worked. To believe that then you would have to believe that Tyrone have better players than Dublin which I don't think too many people would argue. Frustrating Dublin and denying them the space they need is the best way of giving themselves the best opportunity to win the match.

Neither Tyrone or Dublin have been involved in low scoring affairs this year in the championship. I don't expect it to be that low scoring. I'd expect it to get of to a blistering start but unfortunately I still think the Dub are ahead in the conditioning aspect and I expect them to drop the hammer in the second half.

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You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

That probably rings true as well since I think they have weaknesses in the full back line as well that he is probably trying to cover up by offering them more protection. So what you get in Tyrone matches is a crowded defence who make it very difficult for opponents to kick the ball long into a full forward line that are operating in congested space and a Tyrone side that when they turn the ball over, have very few bodies up the pitch so that they have to run it deep from defence. It's like groundhog day with a lot of sideways passing and a basketball type affair with very little kick passing. I expect more of this on Sunday with a low scoring contest with very few goal chances. To expect Harte to do anything different at this stage would be foolish. If it doesn't work then it doesn't mean that another system would have worked. To believe that then you would have to believe that Tyrone have better players than Dublin which I don't think too many people would argue. Frustrating Dublin and denying them the space they need is the best way of giving themselves the best opportunity to win the match.

Neither Tyrone or Dublin have been involved in low scoring affairs this year in the championship. I don't expect it to be that low scoring. I'd expect it to get of to a blistering start but unfortunately I still think the Dub are ahead in the conditioning aspect and I expect them to drop the hammer in the second half.

The Dubs have just pummelled all of the hapless opposition to date with superior conditioning, movement and ability. Tyrone have picked off weaker opponents largely by turning over opposition ball and transitioning the ball quickly through the hand on fast counter attacks. They have improved greatly at the counter attacking aspect. You point to both sides scoring records in support of this being a high scoring contest, whilst I could easily point to their defensive records as proof that it will be a low scoring contest. Neither would be wrong.   

Neither side will have an advantage over the other physically in this contest and I expect that Tyrone will play the same system whilst the Dubs will set up a bit more cautiously to guard against Tyrone counter attacks. It will become an arm wrestle similar to Tyrone v Mayo (0-13 to 0-12) last year or even this years League encounter ending 0-10 to 1-7. Small margins will decide the outcome and I reckon the greater willingness to win will be on the Tyrone side which will see them over the line in the crucial last 10 minutes. 

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You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

I agree with this and have been arguing the case on this board for a good while. There is plenty of attacking talent in Tyrone but Mickey made a choice to rebuild the team using this particular model and just having attacking flair isn't enough. That's why boys like Ronan O'Neill and Darren McCurry are on the bench and Raymie Mulgrew and Kyle Coney are watching the games on TV. Now maybe that was the correct, pragmatic decision, but it's wrong IMO to suggest he had to go with this style because of lack of attacking options. Clearly he decided this way was more likely to upset the top teams. Personally I don't think this style has yet to beat anybody that Tyrone wouldn't have beaten anyway playing a more open brand of football. It needs to take out one of the big guns to prove this rebuild was the right way to go.

I fear that it will come unstuck again against the Dubs. If Tyrone get ahead I suspect they would once again try to defend the lead and would be reeled back in before the end. If Dublin get ahead this system has previously failed to allow Tyrone to come back. Equally, if it's close in the closing stages I can't see Tyrone committing enough to attack to win. I don't think Tyrone have the ruthlessness of Donegal 2012 and 2014 either. Struggling as such to see how Tyrone can win this game, unless as some have suggested Mickey throws a curveball and goes with a bit more in attack. Certainly the level of performance in the last two games will not be good enough for Tyrone made a lot of poor decisions in attack against Down and Armagh and kicked away a lot of ball. Donegal were poor in the Ulster semi but Tyrone hardly wasted anything in attack that day. Something similar will be required if they are to have a chance here.

Obviously I hope Mickey shows me up to be clueless on the 27th.

Has anyone considered the odds on this to be a real gift? Tyrone are 5/2 with most places, surely that's great value and it's closer than that?

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Has anyone considered the odds on this to be a real gift? Tyrone are 5/2 with most places, surely that's great value and it's closer than that?

Thought we would be 7/4 max red hand. But then the volume of money would come from Dubs so bookies are balancing the books or protecting themselves with those odds

I dunno about Tyrone. Does the county have the population to support two separate all Ireland winning teams in 15 years? How many of the forwards are as good as Mugsy was ?

It seems to be a very tight and focused ship with every one committed to the system and everyone believing but August is when the tempo speeds up and the serious questions get asked. Those backs could be tested to destruction.

On the other hand maybe the Dubs are past it.
Tantalising.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Has anyone considered the odds on this to be a real gift? Tyrone are 5/2 with most places, surely that's great value and it's closer than that?

If the odds are based on past performances then they are probably correct. On the face of it, a team with 4 All Ireland's against a team that has yet to win a big championship knock out game, it's hard to argue. However Tyrone are just starting out and improving whilst Dublin are a couple of years past their peak and on that basis Tyrone are too big at those odds. I rarely back GAA matches but I will be backing Tyrone to beat Dublin the next day at those odds.

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Since the 22nd August 2010 Dublin have only lost 2 championship games. Once to Donegal and once to Mayo
Micky seems to have gone all in on the Donegal tactics as the way to be the third team to beat them.

Since that fateful day in August 2014 Dublin have not lost a championship match and the only team to come within 3 points of them is Mayo who have drawn with them twice.

Why is Mciky Harte so convinced this is the way to beat Dublin

Kerry lost by 2 points to Dublin the All Ireland semi final last year, the sides were level with 72 minutes played and the last two Dublin points were scored deep into injury time in the 74th and 75th minute.

Not sure how convinced he is but Mr Harte probably believes Tyrone are as good as both Kerry and Mayo.

Oh I've no doubt Mickey Harte feels his team are better then Kerry or Mayo. On what basis he feels this I don't yet know  but why is he so convinced the style of football he has spent the last couple of years at is the way to go

Because it best suits the players we have, because for the years before Donegal had Tyrone's number playing a similar style of football, because pretty much all the big teams now play a variation of it. It's not unusual for Kerry or Dublin to have 14 men behind the ball or in their own half. To beat Tyrone you have to play them at their own game, Mayo did it last year.

I guess you could say this year is similar to where Mayo were in 2013, they started to make gains in 2011 but were beaten comfortably by Kerry in the semi-final. They made the final in 2012 but it was effectively over after 10 minutes, since then they have been genuine contenders.

I believe Kerry in 2015 (particularly) and Mayo last year were both games we left behind us so if manage to put ourselves in a position to win against Dublin, we simply have to seize the moment.

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You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

I agree with this and have been arguing the case on this board for a good while. There is plenty of attacking talent in Tyrone but Mickey made a choice to rebuild the team using this particular model and just having attacking flair isn't enough. That's why boys like Ronan O'Neill and Darren McCurry are on the bench and Raymie Mulgrew and Kyle Coney are watching the games on TV. Now maybe that was the correct, pragmatic decision, but it's wrong IMO to suggest he had to go with this style because of lack of attacking options. Clearly he decided this way was more likely to upset the top teams. Personally I don't think this style has yet to beat anybody that Tyrone wouldn't have beaten anyway playing a more open brand of football. It needs to take out one of the big guns to prove this rebuild was the right way to go.

I fear that it will come unstuck again against the Dubs. If Tyrone get ahead I suspect they would once again try to defend the lead and would be reeled back in before the end. If Dublin get ahead this system has previously failed to allow Tyrone to come back. Equally, if it's close in the closing stages I can't see Tyrone committing enough to attack to win. I don't think Tyrone have the ruthlessness of Donegal 2012 and 2014 either. Struggling as such to see how Tyrone can win this game, unless as some have suggested Mickey throws a curveball and goes with a bit more in attack. Certainly the level of performance in the last two games will not be good enough for Tyrone made a lot of poor decisions in attack against Down and Armagh and kicked away a lot of ball. Donegal were poor in the Ulster semi but Tyrone hardly wasted anything in attack that day. Something similar will be required if they are to have a chance here.

Obviously I hope Mickey shows me up to be clueless on the 27th.

I agree with this as well. I think Tyrone have serious forward talent, albeit a bit small perhaps. I just can't see Tyrone winning if they play the way they've been playing. References to Donegal 2014 are irrelevant, Dublin learnt from that and won't be as easily caught. They'll have a plan for players like Peter Harte and Colm Cavanagh and will pose Tyrone way more problems defensively than anyone they've met so far.

Tyrone will definitely cause Dublin more problems than anyone else they've met so far but Dublin know how to beat Donegal 2014 now and unless Tyrone are ultra accurate with every chance they get or get a lucky goal I think they've little chance of winning. A lot needs to go right for Tyrone to win playing with 14 back. They have some chance if they play with more forwards.

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Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Has anyone considered the odds on this to be a real gift? Tyrone are 5/2 with most places, surely that's great value and it's closer than that?

If the odds are based on past performances then they are probably correct. On the face of it, a team with 4 All Ireland's against a team that has yet to win a big championship knock out game, it's hard to argue. However Tyrone are just starting out and improving whilst Dublin are a couple of years past their peak and on that basis Tyrone are too big at those odds. I rarely back GAA matches but I will be backing Tyrone to beat Dublin the next day at those odds.

There's a conveyor belt of talent all itching to get a jersey. The talent at their disposal is phenomenal. Think of the players just getting back to full fitness, Connolly good to go, the u21s who can't even get a look in? Aaron Byrne went travelling afaik because he couldn't make the match day panel. The 'peak' continues!

It will be interesting to see what happens if Tyrone have a rocky start. If attacks are breaking down regularly in the first quarter and the running game is faltering what will Harte/the team do? We never got going at all against Mayo last year and we don't really know if the team has significantly improved since then.

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You have to play the system that best suits the players you have at your disposal. Harte doesn't have any real marquee forwards capable of shooting the lights out a la Brogan, Rock, O Donoghue or Geaney. Most of his best players are stacked in the middle 8 and are strong athletes best suited to a running style. Therefore he has to compensate by playing this ultra defensive system. It is not pretty to watch but sometimes you have to cut your cloth to suit. Any rational manager with an ounce of sense would play a similar system as Harte. In his own words, he is not there to entertain, he is there to win.

Maybe this is the only system that suits these Tyrone players. Far be it for me to argue with Mickey Harte about this. Looking from the outside it seems a lot of decent forwards have been sacrificed to the system over the last few years. No forward is going to be marquee playing this kind of football but for me this style of football has nothing to do with lack of forwards and all to do with no confidence in his defense.
As I said Mickey Harte went all in a couple of years ago that this was the way to beat Dublin. He has been refining the system over the last 3 years. 2015 they were two inexperienced for Kerry so they didn't get a chance to try it on Dublin, 2016 they didn't perform and off course the big bad wolf Lee Keegan stopped them trying it out on Dublin. 2017, No more excuses. This is it. If it doesn't work where do Mickey Harte and Tyrone turn to

I agree with this and have been arguing the case on this board for a good while. There is plenty of attacking talent in Tyrone but Mickey made a choice to rebuild the team using this particular model and just having attacking flair isn't enough. That's why boys like Ronan O'Neill and Darren McCurry are on the bench and Raymie Mulgrew and Kyle Coney are watching the games on TV. Now maybe that was the correct, pragmatic decision, but it's wrong IMO to suggest he had to go with this style because of lack of attacking options. Clearly he decided this way was more likely to upset the top teams. Personally I don't think this style has yet to beat anybody that Tyrone wouldn't have beaten anyway playing a more open brand of football. It needs to take out one of the big guns to prove this rebuild was the right way to go.

I fear that it will come unstuck again against the Dubs. If Tyrone get ahead I suspect they would once again try to defend the lead and would be reeled back in before the end. If Dublin get ahead this system has previously failed to allow Tyrone to come back. Equally, if it's close in the closing stages I can't see Tyrone committing enough to attack to win. I don't think Tyrone have the ruthlessness of Donegal 2012 and 2014 either. Struggling as such to see how Tyrone can win this game, unless as some have suggested Mickey throws a curveball and goes with a bit more in attack. Certainly the level of performance in the last two games will not be good enough for Tyrone made a lot of poor decisions in attack against Down and Armagh and kicked away a lot of ball. Donegal were poor in the Ulster semi but Tyrone hardly wasted anything in attack that day. Something similar will be required if they are to have a chance here.

Obviously I hope Mickey shows me up to be clueless on the 27th.

I agree with this as well. I think Tyrone have serious forward talent, albeit a bit small perhaps. I just can't see Tyrone winning if they play the way they've been playing. References to Donegal 2014 are irrelevant, Dublin learnt from that and won't be as easily caught. They'll have a plan for players like Peter Harte and Colm Cavanagh and will pose Tyrone way more problems defensively than anyone they've met so far.

Tyrone will definitely cause Dublin more problems than anyone else they've met so far but Dublin know how to beat Donegal 2014 now and unless Tyrone are ultra accurate with every chance they get or get a lucky goal I think they've little chance of winning. A lot needs to go right for Tyrone to win playing with 14 back. They have some chance if they play with more forwards.

Do they?

For all that is said about Dublin learning from Donegal 2014, they haven't played as defensively well organised side since that game in 2014. Tyrone will be the first time they have met something similar to that since 2014.

The only team to beat Dublin under Gavin in Championship football effectively played with 14 men in their own half. Nobody else has beaten them since.

Defo think we have to bring something different to this game, Im not talking about an overhaul of the entire system or anything but something that the Dubs havent seen before to make them think a bit. Something like MClure partnering Bradley upfront with a few high ones pumped in. Probably a bit simplistic but we will need something, Mickey will have it tho I believe that.

Also think we need to target Cian O'Sullivan, he's the steady rock in that defence and other defenders like Small, McMahon, Cooper are a little volatile and if we have their leader under pressure we can perhaps ask a few questions of them in the process.

People are making the mistake of thinking Tyrone leave one man up and just try to seek him out with passes inside and another player is required as a target. Bradley is not a target man, we very rarely use him with passes from deep. His role is to work the defensive line through his movement..a role he does very well. The difference between this current set up and other defensive teams is that in the transition to attack, Tyrone commit players AHEAD of the ball, they aren't just reliant on off the shoulder running, which we do pretty well too. So when Tyrone turn over possession within seconds there will be men up in support of the forward line. Look at the movement of Mulgrew for the goals as an example of this or Colm Cavanagh or even dare I say it Aiden McCrory. Tyrone won't deviate from Plan A. That's not say that Mickey won't have one or two curve balls up his sleeve though!

There aren't too many boys playing the 'cute hoor card' on here that's for sure.

The usual nonsense is being put out on here and by Jim Gavin that Tyrone play a different games to the Dubs. They play attacking football whereas Tyrone focus on the defensive side of things. In reality both sides play a very similar brand of football. When not in possession they drop most players behind the ball (Dublin at times may leave an extra forward up than Tyrone) and when they win it back they attack in numbers. Tyrone have put more emphasis this year on getting scores when in possession whilst not compromising there defensive structure.

Another myth that always seems to come out when Tyrone go well is that its all based on the system and the players are inferior. Tyrone have developing a number of players this last few years who have become top footballers. If given the choice I would be  happy not switching Harte Donnelly Cavanagh McCann Sludden Hampsey McNamee for their opposite numbers on the Dublin team.

This is going to be a huge battle next week. I hope it doesn't become too defensive and with teams afraid to commit to the attack. I don't think it'll be overly high scoring but could still be a classic like Tyrone Armagh 2005. I believe we have been building towards this for a number of years and have every chance in the game. Too many counties are currently beaten before they take the field against the Dubs but I don't think we will be one of them. The Dubs are a quality proven outfit so it is going to take a mammoth effort to get over the line but we have as good a chance as anyone of beating them.

Which is good to see Keyser and it's good to see lads discussing how they feel the game could go and what they think needs to happen for their team to win. It's just a pity there are not more Dubs on giving their views.
I must have a look later at their thread on Reservoir Dubs.

When I think back of the semifinal in 2009 when Sean Cavanagh went missing and was rumoured sick the night before though some thought he had a falling out with Mickey.
I wonder could this match be the one where he really makes up for that day. He's had a quiet enough season compared to what he used to be like but it wouldn't it be amazing to see him field a big high ball in near the square and turn and hit it into the roof of the net like Murphy v Mayo or Donaghy for Kerry.
People question his legs now but you still see him back in his own FB line mopping up and making tackles in the last 10 minutes of games.

My main hope going into this game is that Tyrone will frustrate the hell out of the Dubs (both players and supporters). They will play very defensively I think for the first 40-50 minutes and then if they need to will take the shackles off. They know they have the tools to hold teams to very low scores if needs be and having attended a lot of Dublin games, the players and fans are not used to that.
They are used to swashbuckling football with crisp fast passes and kicking scores from all over the field but if they are not allowed to do that and are pushed backwards to play across the pitch time and time again and then hit long range shots that go wide then the fans will start getting annoyed.
I remember clearly in the 2014 game against Donegal, Dublin were hitting some amazing long range scores in teh first half and everyone thought this is gonna be a walk over again.
However, they started to miss a few and suddenly the confidence was gone and they felt pressure for the first time that year.

To me this is where this game will be won and lost. I know it sounds simple but if Dublin (or Tyrone) start missing lots of shots from being put under pressure then their mental strength will be tested and can they keep their composure.

Likewise Tyrone created loads of chances last year against Mayo and a few years back in the semi against Kerry but missed a bagful.
When the players feel confident you get players like Ronan O'Neill lobbing the keeper or Mulgrew making his two goals look so easy. O'Gara scored a cracker goal against Westmeath but you would imagine you wont be seeing any goals in this game unless maybe a goalkeeping error.

A few Dublin people I have talked to are worried Gavin will start Connolly and that he could get targeted for some special attention. I can't see him starting and will be a huge impact sub in that 3rd quarter. He will create a huge roar and really lift them.

I believe that we've the players and setup to beat Dublin on the 27th. However, what I am really interested to see is how the team reacts if the first quarter doesn't go according to plan. The big worries are that Dublin grab an early goal, fire over 4-6 long range points that completely by-pass our defensive structure or our running game/attacking movement hit the Dublin defensive wall and falters a la Mayo 2016. Do we drop the heads or stick at it and force our way through? Impossible to tell how things will go but, like others have pointed out, the team appears to have developed significantly this year and there is a definite push towards committing more to the attack versus last year.

The heart is saying we can nick it, however, sober objectivity still has to favour the Dubs by 3-5 points holding us at arms length quite comfortably.

I can't see Connolly starting either - it would be too much of a vote of no confidence in his replacement(s), all for a player that won't last the 70, compared to the impact of his being introduced at some later point.

Does anyone know if the U17 final is being televised?

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Does anyone know if the U17 final is being televised?

Nah.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 16, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
The usual nonsense is being put out on here and by Jim Gavin that Tyrone play a different games to the Dubs. They play attacking football whereas Tyrone focus on the defensive side of things. In reality both sides play a very similar brand of football. When not in possession they drop most players behind the ball (Dublin at times may leave an extra forward up than Tyrone) and when they win it back they attack in numbers. Tyrone have put more emphasis this year on getting scores when in possession whilst not compromising there defensive structure.

Another myth that always seems to come out when Tyrone go well is that its all based on the system and the players are inferior. Tyrone have developing a number of players this last few years who have become top footballers. If given the choice I would be  happy not switching Harte Donnelly Cavanagh McCann Sludden Hampsey McNamee for their opposite numbers on the Dublin team.

This is going to be a huge battle next week. I hope it doesn't become too defensive and with teams afraid to commit to the attack. I don't think it'll be overly high scoring but could still be a classic like Tyrone Armagh 2005. I believe we have been building towards this for a number of years and have every chance in the game. Too many counties are currently beaten before they take the field against the Dubs but I don't think we will be one of them. The Dubs are a quality proven outfit so it is going to take a mammoth effort to get over the line but we have as good a chance as anyone of beating them.

Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

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Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

Back to back Ulster titles.... nothing.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 08:34:57 PM

Quote from: seafoid link=topic=28088.msg1726993#msg1726993
Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

Back to back Ulster titles.... nothing.

A good achievement but means nothing in the all Ireland really

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 08:34:57 PM

Quote from: seafoid link=topic=28088.msg1726993#msg1726993
Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

Back to back Ulster titles.... nothing.

Big swinging Mickey Harte
A provincial title doesn't mean anything in August.

Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:12:34 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 08:34:57 PM

Quote from: seafoid link=topic=28088.msg1726993#msg1726993
Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

Back to back Ulster titles.... nothing.

Big swinging Mickey Harte
A provincial title doesn't mean anything in August.

They mean something when 5 of the last 12 teams left were from that province and you still won at a canter.

Yep, they mean Ulster is as poor as every other province these days, and has at most one good team.

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 11:39:22 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:12:34 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 08:34:57 PM

Quote from: seafoid link=topic=28088.msg1726993#msg1726993
Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

Back to back Ulster titles.... nothing.

Big swinging Mickey Harte
A provincial title doesn't mean anything in August.

They mean something when 5 of the last 12 teams left were from that province and you still won at a canter.

Even Galway absolutely hammered Donegal, the second best team in Ulster by a distance. Maybe don't trumpet your province when a soulless outfit like them can crush some of Ulster's finest within 10 minutes..

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2017, 11:34:29 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 07:07:40 PM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 16, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
The usual nonsense is being put out on here and by Jim Gavin that Tyrone play a different games to the Dubs. They play attacking football whereas Tyrone focus on the defensive side of things. In reality both sides play a very similar brand of football. When not in possession they drop most players behind the ball (Dublin at times may leave an extra forward up than Tyrone) and when they win it back they attack in numbers. Tyrone have put more emphasis this year on getting scores when in possession whilst not compromising there defensive structure.

Another myth that always seems to come out when Tyrone go well is that its all based on the system and the players are inferior. Tyrone have developing a number of players this last few years who have become top footballers. If given the choice I would be  happy not switching Harte Donnelly Cavanagh McCann Sludden Hampsey McNamee for their opposite numbers on the Dublin team.

This is going to be a huge battle next week. I hope it doesn't become too defensive and with teams afraid to commit to the attack. I don't think it'll be overly high scoring but could still be a classic like Tyrone Armagh 2005. I believe we have been building towards this for a number of years and have every chance in the game. Too many counties are currently beaten before they take the field against the Dubs but I don't think we will be one of them. The Dubs are a quality proven outfit so it is going to take a mammoth effort to get over the line but we have as good a chance as anyone of beating them.

Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

What exactly is your issue? Are you not allowed to say your team have a chance unless they have won the all Ireland in recent years?  Many people outside Tyrone wouldn't have given us a chance v Kerry in 2003. No one knows what will happen on Sunday week but I believe we have a good chance. I could be totally wrong of course but I don't believe we are that far away. We performed poorly and lost to a point to Mayo last year but as was proven they weren't too far away themselves. Dublin have struggled with Tyrone's style in multiple league games in recent years including a final.

Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2017, 01:48:55 AM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 11:39:22 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:12:34 PM

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 16, 2017, 08:34:57 PM

Quote from: seafoid link=topic=28088.msg1726993#msg1726993
Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

Back to back Ulster titles.... nothing.

Big swinging Mickey Harte
A provincial title doesn't mean anything in August.

They mean something when 5 of the last 12 teams left were from that province and you still won at a canter.

Even Galway absolutely hammered Donegal, the second best team in Ulster by a distance. Maybe don't trumpet your province when a soulless outfit like them can crush some of Ulster's finest within 10 minutes..

Sure Galway beat Mayo, who play in their god knows what semi final in a row this Sunday. Galway are no mugs.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 17, 2017, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 07:07:40 PM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 16, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
The usual nonsense is being put out on here and by Jim Gavin that Tyrone play a different games to the Dubs. They play attacking football whereas Tyrone focus on the defensive side of things. In reality both sides play a very similar brand of football. When not in possession they drop most players behind the ball (Dublin at times may leave an extra forward up than Tyrone) and when they win it back they attack in numbers. Tyrone have put more emphasis this year on getting scores when in possession whilst not compromising there defensive structure.

Another myth that always seems to come out when Tyrone go well is that its all based on the system and the players are inferior. Tyrone have developing a number of players this last few years who have become top footballers. If given the choice I would be  happy not switching Harte Donnelly Cavanagh McCann Sludden Hampsey McNamee for their opposite numbers on the Dublin team.

This is going to be a huge battle next week. I hope it doesn't become too defensive and with teams afraid to commit to the attack. I don't think it'll be overly high scoring but could still be a classic like Tyrone Armagh 2005. I believe we have been building towards this for a number of years and have every chance in the game. Too many counties are currently beaten before they take the field against the Dubs but I don't think we will be one of them. The Dubs are a quality proven outfit so it is going to take a mammoth effort to get over the line but we have as good a chance as anyone of beating them.

Tyrone have done nothing yet. I never saw a county with so much advance publicity. All the believers. Jaysus

What exactly is your issue? Are you not allowed to say your team have a chance unless they have won the all Ireland in recent years?  Many people outside Tyrone wouldn't have given us a chance v Kerry in 2003. No one knows what will happen on Sunday week but I believe we have a good chance. I could be totally wrong of course but I don't believe we are that far away. We performed poorly and lost to a point to Mayo last year but as was proven they weren't too far away themselves. Dublin have struggled with Tyrone's style in multiple league games in recent years including a final.

Lets go full on Rafa and talk about fachts.
Numero uno: Tyrone drew with Dublin in the national league, in a game they were more than a match for Dublin and led by 6 points at one stage. And dont give me that "the league is different from the championship" rubbish....it isnt, the same teams that compete for the league compete for the championship later in the year.
Number two: Tyrone underperformed against Mayo, and lost by a point to a team who would lose by a point to the unassailable city slickers, after a replay, after conceding 2 own goals. The Tyrone Mayo league game this year was almost a carbon copy for last years quarter final, Mayo won by a point and were shut out by Tyrone for a large part of the second half.
Number three: Tyrone have improved incredibly since last year. Playing in division 1 as done them the world of good compared to last year where they had to play division 2 football through the spring. This is evidenced by the championship results this year, where they have scored an average of 23.75 points.

Could laugh at yous criticising Tyrone fans for having belief. When Paddy Joe McRoscommon talks his teams chances up everyone loves it, but god forbid those arrogant nordies should do the same!!

Why do people hate Tyrone so much?

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 11:05:24 AM
Why do people hate Tyrone so much?

Who cares. The hatred had died away there for a while, I'm glad to see it back. Means we're doing something right. Nothing worse than indifference.  ;)

Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2017, 11:10:16 AM

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 11:05:24 AM
Why do people hate Tyrone so much?

Who cares. The hatred had died away there for a while, I'm glad to see it back. Means we're doing something right. Nothing worse than indifference.  ;)

It's something I grew up with in the 90s. Having to drive through navan on the way home from croke park to see them burning a tyrone flag and jeering at us. Not nice for a 7/8 year old. Thankfully things are better from then but the resentment is still there.

Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2017, 11:10:16 AM

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 11:05:24 AM
Why do people hate Tyrone so much?

Who cares. The hatred had died away there for a while, I'm glad to see it back. Means we're doing something right. Nothing worse than indifference.  ;)

I don't believe that. I think all fans want their team to be respected and admired. Of course winning and being hated is better than losing and being hated, but winning and being admired is the best.

For the record, I admire and respect Mickey Harte and Tyrone. I think some of the antipathy is a hangover from the in your face antics of several years ago.

But there's people who wouldn't admit to admiring Tyrone even if they did AZ. So I don't let the abuse worry me. You don't know who's genuine in their "hate" (Hate's a strong word when discussing a sport!!)  and who's wumming or to an extent jealous that Tyrone's achieving more that their county. So just enjoy that we're being talked about!!  :)

Did Tyrone always have unshakable confidence or is it a result of the 00s?

Definitely not. I remember going down in the 90's and expecting to be bate. The 00's definitely helped the confidence and I mean that throughout the county. Fans traveled in expectation more than they had done.  I think some goes back to Mickey and his attitude, if you don't believe you can win, then you are going to struggle to do it. Course belief isn't enough and we've fallen short plenty of times by not having the players. But at least it gives us a chance.

In the 90s there was always the belief going down that we were inferior.

Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 01:15:40 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

Boylan's? Juice's? Jinxy's? Their Meath.

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 01:15:40 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

It seems to be a bad dose of Groupthink. I think we can say Tyrone have arrived when they win Sam with 3 different teams. That would be serious.
Nonsense about believing is not. OR is God behind Tyrone?

Who takes the frees for Tyrone this year? If there's a pressure kick late on, say 35m out, towards the sideline, will they have someone to silence the boos from the hill? If not, I think that's where they might come a cropper

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

It could be. Same as any county (Bar Dublin and possibly Kerry). Likewise if they do manage to tag on an AI this year, it could be the start of another successful period.  I don't think anyone is saying that we are definitely going to beat Dublin. The team and fans believe that they can. There's a huge difference in believing something can happen and knowing that it will. Sure how can anyone know.

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:20:20 PM

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 01:15:40 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

It seems to be a bad dose of Groupthink. I think we can say Tyrone have arrived when they win Sam with 3 different teams. That would be serious.
Nonsense about believing is not. OR is God behind Tyrone?

If you think belief in an ability to win is nonsense then I'll leave you to it.

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:20:20 PM

Quote from: WT4E on August 17, 2017, 01:15:40 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

It seems to be a bad dose of Groupthink. I think we can say Tyrone have arrived when they win Sam with 3 different teams. That would be serious.
Nonsense about believing is not. OR is God behind Tyrone?

God retired in 2005

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Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

It seems to be a bad dose of Groupthink. I think we can say Tyrone have arrived when they win Sam with 3 different teams. That would be serious.
Nonsense about believing is not. OR is God behind Tyrone?

God retired in 2005

Gone to that big place in the Sky.

Touching that seafoid is so concerned with our lads in this one, albeit in such a thoroughly uninformed fashion -- virtually all of that squad are All-Ireland winners, most recently at U-21, so the faith in them isn't totally blind and, unlike the Galway footballers, nothing, NOTHING, will be conceded before throw-in. And doesn't Jim Gavin know it! :)

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 17, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
Who takes the frees for Tyrone this year? If there's a pressure kick late on, say 35m out, towards the sideline, will they have someone to silence the boos from the hill? If not, I think that's where they might come a cropper

Sean has been hitting all the frees from the left wing and Petey Harte from the right. Sean's accuracy has been very high this year and so has Harte's. It's been a strange year though as the vast majority of our scores have come from play and there really haven't been a whole host of free kicks scored (or even put wide).

Morgan still hitting frees from 45m + with his usual inconsistency. I'd much rather we took our chances and worked on routines for working those free kicks into scorebale shots around the 30m mark. Missed frees from distance these past few years have hit us hard on the scoreboard (And psychologically). Interestingly, in the second half last year against Mayo after Morgan and O'Neill missed a few Petey Harte had a free around the 45. H kicked a pass into a forward who made a run towards him, recieved a pop fist pass and scored a simple point. Wasn't rocket science.

Have a feeling we'll see the Dubs really go for the fouling option out round the 45/50 And see what kind of pressure they can put on our free kick game. Get the crowd on our back early doors and a few missed frees could be huge for them.

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Quote from: Fuzzman on August 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
Before the 1980s, Tyrone were never really considered a force in Ulster having only won the Ango Celt in 1956,1957 and 1973.

However, Tyrone won 4 Ulster titles in the 1980s when I was a young lad and they reached the 1986 final against Kerry and maybe for the the first time I think people in Tyrone believed we might win the All Ireland some day. They had a great chance in that game and lead by 8 in that final but alas it wasn't to be thanks to goals from Spillane and Mikey Sheehy and Tyrone showing a lack of experience.

We had to wait 9 years until we got back to that stage and again we lost a controversial match against the Dubs which many thought it should have been a replay.

So those two decades were the beginning of Tyrone people believing they were good enough to sit at the top table, having watched Down, Derry and Donegal all win the big prize before they did. They often looked to have the players but not the know how to get over that final straw, some would say a bit like Mayo.

However, Mickey Harte came in and changed all that and not only has he brought the county 3 all irelands to date, he has changed how other teams view Tyrone as being one of the big guns in all Ireland football now.

So where counties like Meath, Cork and Down used to be considered powerful forces in years gone by, Mayo and Tyrone have moved up the ladder to the top table some would say.

That's why most Tyrone people have this arrogance about them when it comes to GAA football I think and they don't care if nobody likes them as that man said on the youtube video a few years back.

Ní uasal agus Iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal. Meath fans had a long summer with Boylan from 84 to 02. It ended.

Tyrone had a mix of a great manager and a great cohort of players in the 00s.
But 3 all Irelands means nothing about the future. . Mayo won 3 between 36 and 51. Louth won 3. Nothing afterwards.

If Tyrone lose the next day that could be it for 20 years. Ask the Meath lads.

Whose Meath?

It seems to be a bad dose of Groupthink. I think we can say Tyrone have arrived when they win Sam with 3 different teams. That would be serious.
Nonsense about believing is not. OR is God behind Tyrone?

God retired in 2005

Gone to that big place in the Sky.

Another big factor in a very professional backroom team .... has full knowledge of all influential players in Ireland and how all teams are 'Tactically' set up etc ..... really smart boost for Tyrone .... only GOD knows better

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Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

All Irelands in a niche sport?

I'm commenting about the chip on your shoulder due to Galway failing to win a Championship football game in 15 years at Croke Park.

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Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Hmm your win appearance to wins ratio deosn't offer much confidence tho does it? I hope you donn't believe your gonna win or anything because based on those stats it would be a bit forlorn wouldn't it?

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Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Hmm your win appearance to wins ratio deosn't offer much confidence tho does it? I hope you donn't believe your gonna win or anything because based on those stats it would be a bit forlorn wouldn't it?

We have more than 4 times as many all Irelands as Throne and we never declare a team before it has done anything.
To listen to some punters on here it is as if football started in 2003.

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Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Hmm your win appearance to wins ratio deosn't offer much confidence tho does it? I hope you donn't believe your gonna win or anything because based on those stats it would be a bit forlorn wouldn't it?

We have more than 4 times as many all Irelands as Throne and we never declare a team before it has done anything.
To listen to some punters on here it is as if football started in 2003.

You talk some nonsense. Tyrone posters on this thread were talking about the 80's and 90's.

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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2017, 11:34:29 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Hmm your win appearance to wins ratio deosn't offer much confidence tho does it? I hope you donn't believe your gonna win or anything because based on those stats it would be a bit forlorn wouldn't it?

We have more than 4 times as many all Irelands as Throne and we never declare a team before it has done anything.
To listen to some punters on here it is as if football started in 2003.

Sure Galway haven't won a football Championship game at Croke Park since 2001. It's why you have such a massive chip on your shoulder.

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Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 07:28:34 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2017, 11:34:29 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Hmm your win appearance to wins ratio deosn't offer much confidence tho does it? I hope you donn't believe your gonna win or anything because based on those stats it would be a bit forlorn wouldn't it?

We have more than 4 times as many all Irelands as Throne and we never declare a team before it has done anything.
To listen to some punters on here it is as if football started in 2003.

Sure Galway haven't won a football Championship game at Croke Park since 2001. It's why you have such a massive chip on your shoulder.

Do counties win all the time Bomber? Do you want to have a race and see who wins most over the next 20 years?

And Meath and Down will never win anything again- can I have that in writing?

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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 17, 2017, 08:26:50 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 17, 2017, 07:28:34 AM

Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 16, 2017, 11:34:29 PM

Quote from: seafoid on August 16, 2017, 10:17:09 PM

Quote from: ONeill on August 16, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Will Connolly start? Will the officials be nervous?

We'll beat the Dubs, with him or without him.

Either that or ye won't be able to keep the ball kicked out

Those 15 years without a Championship win in Croke Park seem to have developed quite a large chip on your shoulder.

Don't they? We have an all Ireland final coming up in a few weeks.
Sweet suffering Jesus

Hmm your win appearance to wins ratio deosn't offer much confidence tho does it? I hope you donn't believe your gonna win or anything because based on those stats it would be a bit forlorn wouldn't it?

We have more than 4 times as many all Irelands as Throne and we never declare a team before it has done anything.
To listen to some punters on here it is as if football started in 2003.

Sure Galway haven't won a football Championship game at Croke Park since 2001. It's why you have such a massive chip on your shoulder.

Do counties win all the time Bomber? Do you want to have a race and see who wins most over the next 20 years?

And Meath and Down will never win anything again- can I have that in writing?

I'd say Galway's winless drought at Croke Park must be unrivalled in Championship football terms.

Has any other county lost 10 straight Championship football games at Croke Park?