Mandatory covid 19 vaccination

[tbrick18]

When driving on the road I don't just want to drive sober I want those around me to drive sober also.

Yes this is my opinion too.
Covid can be as deadly as drink driving and probably moreso.
It's an unprecedented situation we find ourselves in and with that unprecedented measures are needed. Vaccines reduce the risk of catching and dying from Covid, but don't eliminate the risk.
We all want some resemblance of pre-covid life in terms of socialising, work and holidays and the only way to get that is with everyone vaccinated, imo.
Even with that there is risk and I think we are never going to abolish covid entirely but have to learn to live with it.

If vaccines are not going to be mandatory, the ONLY option is that the unvaccinated can't socialise, work and interact with the rest of us. Controversial I know, but I think it has to be one or the other. Covid passports at a minimum but probably both mandatory vaccine and a passport to prove you've had it.
We, the public, have had the chance to be sensible by taking the vaccines and not abusing the freedoms we take for granted. But too many un-vaccinated people interacting has got us to where we are now and something has to change.
Incidentally, I know of several people with fake vaccine cards so they can go into bars in the South. Absolute sc**bag move in my opinion, but highlights the requirement for passports to be digital and controlled.

[NotedObserver]

When driving on the road I don't just want to drive sober I want those around me to drive sober also.

Yes this is my opinion too.
Covid can be as deadly as drink driving and probably moreso.
It's an unprecedented situation we find ourselves in and with that unprecedented measures are needed. Vaccines reduce the risk of catching and dying from Covid, but don't eliminate the risk.
We all want some resemblance of pre-covid life in terms of socialising, work and holidays and the only way to get that is with everyone vaccinated, imo.
Even with that there is risk and I think we are never going to abolish covid entirely but have to learn to live with it.

If vaccines are not going to be mandatory, the ONLY option is that the unvaccinated can't socialise, work and interact with the rest of us. Controversial I know, but I think it has to be one or the other. Covid passports at a minimum but probably both mandatory vaccine and a passport to prove you've had it.
We, the public, have had the chance to be sensible by taking the vaccines and not abusing the freedoms we take for granted. But too many un-vaccinated people interacting has got us to where we are now and something has to change.
Incidentally, I know of several people with fake vaccine cards so they can go into bars in the South. Absolute sc**bag move in my opinion, but highlights the requirement for passports to be digital and controlled.

Covid passports may help but not the solution. Vaccine breakthrough way too common and dangerous

[bennydorano]

Mandatory vaccination won't work. Covid passports are a much better tool to engender compliance. No vaccine = no covid passport - that's a person's own look out, if you're denied entry to places because you've no covid passport, that's tough titty for you and a bonus for the vaccinated public.

[Orior]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

[bennydorano]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

[Gmac]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

for an air borne respiratory virus that can infect animals too ?

[sid waddell]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

[bennydorano]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

What has that got to do with the price of butter?  I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of it, it's the practicalities.  Current situation is there's millions  of militant anti-vaxxers you can't physically force vaccinate them ffs.

Would a woke Liberal like yourself advocate forcefully vaccinating refuseniks - Literally holding a person down and injecting them?

[sid waddell]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

What has that got to do with the price of butter?  I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of it, it's the practicalities.  Current situation is there's millions  of militant anti-vaxxers you can't physically force vaccinate them ffs.

Would a woke Liberal like yourself advocate forcefully vaccinating refuseniks - Literally holding a person down and injecting them?

I asked you a question.

Why don't you answer it?

[bennydorano]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

What has that got to do with the price of butter?  I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of it, it's the practicalities.  Current situation is there's millions  of militant anti-vaxxers you can't physically force vaccinate them ffs.

Would a woke Liberal like yourself advocate forcefully vaccinating refuseniks - Literally holding a person down and injecting them?

I asked you a question.

Why don't you answer it?

Yes my kids are vaccinated (& for covid), I'm not stupid nor anti-vax. I really don't see the point of your Question in this context, wasting my time is all you're doing.

Do you think mandatory vaccination for Covid in the current circumstances will work? Physically forcing people to take an injection if required?

[grounded]

When driving on the road I don't just want to drive sober I want those around me to drive sober also.

Yes this is my opinion too.
Covid can be as deadly as drink driving and probably moreso.
It's an unprecedented situation we find ourselves in and with that unprecedented measures are needed. Vaccines reduce the risk of catching and dying from Covid, but don't eliminate the risk.
We all want some resemblance of pre-covid life in terms of socialising, work and holidays and the only way to get that is with everyone vaccinated, imo.
Even with that there is risk and I think we are never going to abolish covid entirely but have to learn to live with it.

If vaccines are not going to be mandatory, the ONLY option is that the unvaccinated can't socialise, work and interact with the rest of us. Controversial I know, but I think it has to be one or the other. Covid passports at a minimum but probably both mandatory vaccine and a passport to prove you've had it.
We, the public, have had the chance to be sensible by taking the vaccines and not abusing the freedoms we take for granted. But too many un-vaccinated people interacting has got us to where we are now and something has to change.
Incidentally, I know of several people with fake vaccine cards so they can go into bars in the South. Absolute sc**bag move in my opinion, but highlights the requirement for passports to be digital and controlled.

Who gets to decide which of their liberties/freedoms are removed and which they might be allowed to keep?
      Surely if the unvaccinated can't work, socialise or interact with the vaccinated it pretty much excludes them from society.
      So they can't go to work, school, public hospitals/clinics, places of worship public amenities/areas etc. I'd guess given the nature of the current voting system they wouldn't be able to vote.
      (Perhaps they might be allowed a postal ballot or maybe a seperate polling station).
       One hypothetical question for you (excluding the unvaccinated who would already be dealt by this exclusion)
          Lets just say it could be proven, that one particular cohort or group in society(even if they were vaccinated) were significantly more prone to both carching and transmittng the covid 19 virus than the general population should they also have some of their freedoms removed/curtailed?
        Surely the logic is the same? By removing that small cohort from society you are protecting the general public from the virus. You are lessening the burden on the Hospitals and in particularly the acute services in ICU.
        Of course you could use the argument that the group didnt have a choice as the unvaccinated do,  but in that case the exclusion of the the unvaccinated would then be surely seen as some form of punishment for not getting vaccinated as opposed to protecting the public health and lessening the burden on our overstretched health services. Isn't this what its all about?
         

[Eire90]

if this happens then tds should put thier lives on the line if their so confident the vaccine is 100 percent put their lives on the line if anyone dies or has a severe adverse reaction then what happens is a random draw happens in the dail and whatever tds name gets drawing out they face the death penalty they want to make vaccine mandatory then put your money where your mouths are tds your confident thats its that safe then put your lives on the line i bet they wouldnt.

[Milltown Row2]

if this happens then tds should put thier lives on the line if their so confident the vaccine is 100 percent put their lives on the line if anyone dies or has a severe adverse reaction then what happens is a random draw happens in the dail and whatever tds name gets drawing out they face the death penalty they want to make vaccine mandatory then put your money where your mouths are tds your confident thats its that safe then put your lives on the line i bet they wouldnt.

Tourette's is strong in you .. Adverse reaction the TD's should die!! Shut down the thread or reboot the Board after that one!

[imtommygunn]

Jesus.

[Orior]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

Yes