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« Reply #3555 on: December 01, 2021, 10:33:21 AM »
The tearing up of the rail network west of the Bann was done on a sectarian basis.

The 6 County government decided they weren't for subsidising the rail network for Taigs to travel to Bundoran for their days out.

At the time the Derry Road rail line (Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Derry) was actually the only part of the northern rail network that was in profit.

There's a good documentary on TG4 about the northern rail network, Iarnrůd Uladh,

It wasnt too long ago that Danny Kennedy the Transport Minister at the time wanted to close the line between Derry and Coleraine until Eamon McCann and his lads put a stop to his plans with the Into The West initiative.

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« Reply #3556 on: December 01, 2021, 10:58:05 AM »
The tearing up of the rail network west of the Bann was done on a sectarian basis.

The 6 County government decided they weren't for subsidising the rail network for Taigs to travel to Bundoran for their days out.

At the time the Derry Road rail line (Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Derry) was actually the only part of the northern rail network that was in profit.

There's a good documentary on TG4 about the northern rail network, Iarnrůd Uladh,

It wasnt too long ago that Danny Kennedy the Transport Minister at the time wanted to close the line between Derry and Coleraine until Eamon McCann and his lads put a stop to his plans with the Into The West initiative.

There's a map somewhere with the rail map overlaid on the voting preference of those in the area.  The correlation between a nationalist vote and a lack of rail infrastructure couldn't be any clearer.

But both sides are as bad as each other...


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« Reply #3558 on: December 01, 2021, 01:54:50 PM »
The tearing up of the rail network west of the Bann was done on a sectarian basis.

The 6 County government decided they weren't for subsidising the rail network for Taigs to travel to Bundoran for their days out.

At the time the Derry Road rail line (Portadown, Dungannon, Omagh, Derry) was actually the only part of the northern rail network that was in profit.

There's a good documentary on TG4 about the northern rail network, Iarnrůd Uladh,

It wasnt too long ago that Danny Kennedy the Transport Minister at the time wanted to close the line between Derry and Coleraine until Eamon McCann and his lads put a stop to his plans with the Into The West initiative.

Legend has it the local politicians went to Belfast to campaign against the removal of the Derry Road railway, in their wisdom they took the bus.

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« Reply #3559 on: December 01, 2021, 08:24:54 PM »
The scandalous amputation of NI transport obviously had a sectarian aspect. But it also reflect myopic planning as they closed the lines to Banbridge and Comber also.
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« Reply #3560 on: December 01, 2021, 09:23:39 PM »
Not sure if this is exactly the right place for this.....but an improved rail system would certainly be a big part of a future Ireland. I'm sure we have all seen the maps of how the North-West of the island and west of Ulster has been neglected. Hopefully this review can lead to much needed expansion

https://strategicrailreview.com/
Probably just a talking shop. Cant even run the rail network that we currently have. We love the car too much, especially in the north and especially in Belfast

Ah, well - if there were a great park n ride setup from major outlying towns to Belfast, that may be sustainable.

But really the problem is that Belfast isn't dense enough to justify the kind of mass transit systems that the planners keep trying for.


The Glider is a f**king disaster. Translink will come on and say "ahh, but journeys are up X%" - without realising the end-goal of Glider isn't to get more people on buses.

The end-goal is to reduce emissions through reduced congestion. For that, its a complete f**king disaster as now thousands of cars spend many minutes longer getting down the same roads that now have permanent bus lanes on them so end result is emissions are up, not down.
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« Reply #3561 on: December 01, 2021, 09:55:59 PM »
How many glider routes are there? Two? You canít really criticise Translink. Theyíre just there to run public transport. They donít get to choose transport policy. You say Belfast isnít dense enough for mass transit system (which the glider isnít, hence why itís there instead of a tram) but the greater Belfast metropolitan area is almost 40% of the northís population. It has to have something and the glider is small fry compared to similar urban areas over in tan land.

I agree on park & ride facilities - they are the way forward but of course it will take the morons on the hill another 20 years to realise their potential. People will use the train if it is convenient to them plain and simple, if you re-linked Armagh and Dungannon to the network the trains would be bunged



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« Reply #3562 on: December 01, 2021, 10:05:43 PM »
How many glider routes are there? Two? You canít really criticise Translink. Theyíre just there to run public transport. They donít get to choose transport policy.

You think translink don't shape transport policy with their idiotic trade studies that are compiled by people so stupid they don't even know the right questions to ask? Seriously?

They've 2 glider routes f**king up 2 arteries and they want to f**k up another 2 with a north-south line. You fancy a single carriageway road all the way from city centre to carryduff? Be my guest. That'll definitely bring congestion and emissions down.



You say Belfast isnít dense enough for mass transit system (which the glider isnít, hence why itís there instead of a tram) but the greater Belfast metropolitan area is almost 40% of the northís population. It has to have something and the glider is small fry compared to similar urban areas over in tan land.

Glider is a mass transport system. Lower end yes, but mass transport nonetheless.

They would have got better value for money by installing the pay offboard facilities for normal route buses.
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« Reply #3563 on: December 01, 2021, 11:10:31 PM »
How many glider routes are there? Two? You canít really criticise Translink. Theyíre just there to run public transport. They donít get to choose transport policy. You say Belfast isnít dense enough for mass transit system (which the glider isnít, hence why itís there instead of a tram) but the greater Belfast metropolitan area is almost 40% of the northís population. It has to have something and the glider is small fry compared to similar urban areas over in tan land.

I agree on park & ride facilities - they are the way forward but of course it will take the morons on the hill another 20 years to realise their potential. People will use the train if it is convenient to them plain and simple, if you re-linked Armagh and Dungannon to the network the trains would be bunged
[/b] Would it make that much of a difference? Not that hard to get fromArmagh/Dungannon to Portadown or Newry?

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« Reply #3564 on: December 01, 2021, 11:19:54 PM »
But going from Ballygawley to DGN is fine, but having to travel on to portadown would make it pointless.
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« Reply #3565 on: December 02, 2021, 08:14:44 AM »
How many glider routes are there? Two? You canít really criticise Translink. Theyíre just there to run public transport. They donít get to choose transport policy. You say Belfast isnít dense enough for mass transit system (which the glider isnít, hence why itís there instead of a tram) but the greater Belfast metropolitan area is almost 40% of the northís population. It has to have something and the glider is small fry compared to similar urban areas over in tan land.

I agree on park & ride facilities - they are the way forward but of course it will take the morons on the hill another 20 years to realise their potential. People will use the train if it is convenient to them plain and simple, if you re-linked Armagh and Dungannon to the network the trains would be bunged
[/b] Would it make that much of a difference? Not that hard to get fromArmagh/Dungannon to Portadown or Newry?
I think youíre missing the point. For a start, why would anyone from Armagh travel to Newry to get a commuter train to Belfast?