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[Davydenko shocks Federer in semis]

Gillette curse - henry causes a storm, now woods; cant wait to see what Federer does at the ATP finals...

Davydenko shocks Federer in semis 
ATP World Tour Finals
Venue: O2 Arena, London Date: 22-29 November
By Piers Newbery
BBC Sport at the O2 Arena 


Nikolay Davydenko caused a major upset by defeating Roger Federer for the first time in 13 attempts to reach the final of the ATP World Tour Finals.

Sixth seed Davydenko beat the world number one 6-2 4-6 7-5 in a contest that started only 15 hours after the Russian's final group match.

Federer had been looking to match the five victories of Pete Sampras and Ivan Lendl at the season-ending event, but Davydenko secured a return to the final he also made 12 months ago in one hour 55 minutes.

I don't think it's any coincidence that it's the 13th attempt.

Exiled Gael you can change the thread title to "Tiger Woods barely scratched in low speed car accident, nothing to see here".

It was the top 10 best things about Ulster - last show in the series. f**k they are obsessed with the North Coast and the Mourne Mountains. And for all you who want to know the best thing about Ulster is . . . the people!

As voted for.... by themselves.

The people who shot, bombed and generally went out of their way to kill each other for several decades?!

Can I hazard a guess at some of the others. The famous Ulster sense of humour? George Best? David Healy?

He should have used a driver.

He was apparently snorting coke off a hooker's left nipple when he lost control of the vehicle.

What is the earth shattering subject tonight?

Look someone on a grassy knoll. 

'Look someone on a grassy knoll'   ??
How do you look someone on a grassy knoll?

or did you mean
Look! someone on the grassy knoll?

Just how badly did it go at your civil service entrance exam?
Is that where it all started?

People do an exam to join the Civil Service?!

18 btls of Carlsberg £6.99 in Sainsburys

Tesco's are doing 2 boxes for 14 quid, Sainsbury's 2 boxes for 15 quid. Includes 10x440ml Guinness, 15x330ml Bud, Carlsberg etc.

Well they mostly come up to load up on booze and there is a Sainsbury's, a Curley's and any number of locally owned offies. Or you can be in Portadown in 20mins from Armagh - 2 Tesco's, a Sainsbury plus all yer usual shops for clothes and house.

A 60 year old man was assaulted at 5.00pm in a crowded market in in the heart of Belfast. Unless I've missed it, noone seems to have stepped in to stop the assault or help him and the thugs that did it wandered off nonchalantly. I find that deeply depressing.

Welcome to the 21st Century! That's fairly normal these days. There was a long heated debate on one of the threads months ago if you'd step into the fray or not. Some would but quite a lot wouldn't.

I'll bet there are still people in Ireland don't believe a word of it and think it's all a conspiracy against the Catholic Church.

Of course there are, I know at least one and she (shes about 80) refuses to believe a word of any of this.

I don't if my Granny would believe it either if she was alive.

Complete nightmare this evening. Took an hour to get from the Southern outskirts to the Mourne Country. Going to avoid the place like the plague between now and Christmas.

You are a mad man. The place is a grip and will never see another red cent off me. The shops are no better than anywhere else in the north and the traffic situation is worse than beyond a joke so is it really that convenient to the border hoppers. I'd bypass the whole place and head for Armagh (in fact don't bother as that's were I do my shopping), Banbridge, Portadown etc.

Some of you may find this site of use...

www.countmeout.ie

I think that's been posted up before?  Is that real? 
I think it was pointed out the last time it was posted that people would want to think about that before they do it.


You know who I'm most angry and disgusted with in all of this, and I'm not sure why, the people. The normal people who must have been f**king completely brain washed! What the hell was wrong with them!  People, not just the police or the govt, knew this was happening and did nothing.
My ma was telling me there about something on the radio today, some woman was on and her and the sister were abused by the priest. Her mother was one of these who'd cook the priest's dinners, and the priest would call around at night when they were in bed and he'd have to to the children's bedroom to "say goodnight".  That's were the abuse took place. Now, there is no doubt in my mind the mother knew what has happening, you would have to be clean stupid not to and she done nothing.  And then there was something else about some woman going to the bishops house (as you do, rather than to the guards) to complain about a priest abusing someone and she was threatened with excommunication so she didn't pursue it.  What the f**k!  Same goes for the mothers and fathers who allowed their grandchildren, who's only crime was to be born out of wedlock, to be taken away and their daughters through in these laundries.  Unbelievable.
Those are the people I am most disgusted with.

Good post Pints. It was a very different time in Catholic Ireland, which seems to have been ruled by the Church rather than the State. I still don't understand the mindset of subservience to any body which asks you to do something totally against human nature ie give up your children for no good reason. There are many, many members of public culpable in allowing this to happen. And you know what, I'll bet there are still people in Ireland don't believe a word of it and think it's all a conspiracy against the Catholic Church. They're the nutters were out collecting money for paedophile priests a few years back.

When you cant tell people exactly what you think of them and you have to bite your lip.

I'm doing it all day, I think I'm going to go and punch a pillow.

I just tell them what I think of them
That's the main reason I am now self employed!

The father in law is sixty and never worked a minute for anyone other than himself. Spend five mins in his company and you'd know why!

[- Put their own survival above all else.- That allows little children to be raped, abused and destroyed by its members.- Protects the evil paedophilles within its ranks.]

So here we are again another report another outrage. The sheep will claim it was a minority and the government should have done this and that. Sure they said sorry. Sure they paid compensation. Is it worth going into it anymore? I just want to say this.

If you are a christian and believe in the bible as the word of God thats grand. If you want to lead a good life by the rules of the bible thats fine. But why why why do people need to be apart of an organisation that...

- Put their own survival above all else.
- That allows little children to be raped, abused and destroyed by its members.
- Protects the evil paedophilles within its ranks.
- Frustrates all attempts at investigation.
- Offers mealy mouthed apologies decades on.
- Thats fights tooth and nail not to compensate until public opinion (& dwindling crowds) force it.

I could add more but whats the point. The hardliner catholics on the board will avoid commenting on this thread, probably because they are still clinging to the "minority of bad apples" theory or the big bad "anti catholics" just turn it into a slagging match. Or maybe their brains have been short circuited by the shock of the truth. Maybe they can't deal with everything they believe in being turned on its head.

But stop and think - if you believe in the word of God as written in the bible, how can you belong to an organisation that perpetrates crimes so outrageous against the most vulnerable. Ask yourselves that.

I can only imagine the depressing responses I'll get...

First of all - for the parts in Bold above - should these not been past tense? The church may have done these things in the past - but have taken steps to prevent this happening again

Secondly - A major part of being a Christian is being able to forgive

They have only taken steps to prevent this happening in the future after being shamed into it. They knew this was going on and did next to nothing until the scale of the issue was made public.

It's only a matter of time before one of these host countries fail to get their house in order for the tournament. SA was a crazy, politically motivated decision and will probably be a bloody farce. I wouldn't fancy it.