So at the minute we are sitting on 36000 approx
The South of Ireland making excuses already
Boris and the boys have said it will be the biggest rollout ever
Let's see
36000 in 3 weeks wouldnt fill you with much confidence
Surely 7000 per day should be the target
You realise the rollout is limited by supply?
In Ireland, about 70% of over 65s and vulnerable people get a flu jab each year in two months or so. Now the Covid vaccine needs two shots, but the job can be done, if the vaccines are available. The whole vaccine thing will speed up when the vaccines are approved and available.
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Nhs staff too.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
Limited to supply Northern Ireland got 40000 on day 1 and haven't even distributed yet. I would think they have another 40000 in the fridge
Surprised at the elderly not taking it up
Probably Sinn Féin voters, surveys show that half of them don't believe in the vaccine.
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
That's > 100,000 people on the island
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 30, 2020, 10:04:44 PM
You realise the rollout is limited by supply?
And the storage conditions. Popping it into a domestic freezer doesn't work.
Quote from: lenny on December 31, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Fair enough point, not really going to argue it. I'm not an anti Vaxxer or believe there is anything untoward in the jab, just presented my real life findings as opposed to anything I personally may believe.
But I can tell you this board does not reflect real life opinion I've come across from a variety of walks of life. The majority are anti lockdown and fairly uncommittal on the vaccine "I wouldn't really be needing it" was one I heard from someone in their 60s believe it or not. You have to respect that every individual reserves the right to take or not take a vaccine, I wouldn't be quick to label them foolish or reckless.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 31, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Fair enough point, not really going to argue it. I'm not an anti Vaxxer or believe there is anything untoward in the jab, just presented my real life findings as opposed to anything I personally may believe.
But I can tell you this board does not reflect real life opinion I've come across from a variety of walks of life. The majority are anti lockdown and fairly uncommittal on the vaccine "I wouldn't really be needing it" was one I heard from someone in their 60s believe it or not. You have to respect that every individual reserves the right to take or not take a vaccine, I wouldn't be quick to label them foolish or reckless.
You have to respect their right not to take the vaccine. But I would most definitely label them foolish for doing so.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 30, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
Probably Sinn Féin voters, surveys show that half of them don't believe in the vaccine.
::) ::) You still want everyone certified with the vaccine before returning to your really important job?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 31, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Fair enough point, not really going to argue it. I'm not an anti Vaxxer or believe there is anything untoward in the jab, just presented my real life findings as opposed to anything I personally may believe.
But I can tell you this board does not reflect real life opinion I've come across from a variety of walks of life. The majority are anti lockdown and fairly uncommittal on the vaccine "I wouldn't really be needing it" was one I heard from someone in their 60s believe it or not. You have to respect that every individual reserves the right to take or not take a vaccine, I wouldn't be quick to label them foolish or reckless.
If this board reflected reality though there'd be no brexit, tories wouldn't be in power, trump wouldn't be etc etc.
It was interesting to read that in the us election Biden didn't bother with Twitter because it only accounted for ~5% of all votes and wasn't worth it. Internet opinion in general not necessarily reflective of views on the whole.
I think a lot of people are full of hot air when it comes to this vaccine. Despite what they say publicly they'll still probably get it.
The simple way to let's say push people to take up the option of the vaccine is travel reasons. Put it like this if say the uptake is not what it has to be that's what will happen and rightly so.
The uk government are employing the army to do 750000 alone. Amazing numbers
And in the north all GPS willl have them from Monday with all over 80s done In a week
Great news but watch this little island fuk up somewhere
I would be amazed if it went smoothly
giving out about something that hasn't even happened is giving out for the sake of it.
Quote from: trailer on December 31, 2020, 10:09:41 AM
I think a lot of people are full of hot air when it comes to this vaccine. Despite what they say publicly they'll still probably get it.
I doubt you are full of hot air, I am under 50 with no health issues - what year would I be eligible for it?
Quote from: armaghniac on December 30, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
Probably Sinn Féin voters, surveys show that half of them don't believe in the vaccine.
Ah now, let's be fair, it's only
nearly half
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
The simple way to let's say push people to take up the option of the vaccine is travel reasons. Put it like this if say the uptake is not what it has to be that's what will happen and rightly so.
The uk government are employing the army to do 750000 alone. Amazing numbers
And in the north all GPS willl have them from Monday with all over 80s done In a week
Great news but watch this little island fuk up somewhere
I would be amazed if it went smoothly
I know for a fact you're wrong about all gps being vaccinated by Monday.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 31, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Fair enough point, not really going to argue it. I'm not an anti Vaxxer or believe there is anything untoward in the jab, just presented my real life findings as opposed to anything I personally may believe.
But I can tell you this board does not reflect real life opinion I've come across from a variety of walks of life. The majority are anti lockdown and fairly uncommittal on the vaccine "I wouldn't really be needing it" was one I heard from someone in their 60s believe it or not. You have to respect that every individual reserves the right to take or not take a vaccine, I wouldn't be quick to label them foolish or reckless.
Spain are considering registering the unvaccinated.These details could be shared with other countries.
I'd be of the opinion that if the vaccine was made available and you refused you should be put up the yard if you subsequently required hospital treatment. Also, the vaccine isn't just about preventing deaths in the elderly, there is an economic benefit too as people won't have to take time off work in the event of being symptomatic. I honestly don't see a downside to it. An expert (a proper one - not a chemical engineer) said that if most people take the jab which will reduce symptoms it therefore reduces the prevalence of the virus and therefore is more likely to die out.If they don't on the basis that they believe they don't need it, not an unfair assessment, the prevalence remains and therefore the risk of further mutation not covered by the vaccines. People need to stop thinking about their own selfish needs and think of the big picture.
Quote from: trileacman on December 31, 2020, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
The simple way to let's say push people to take up the option of the vaccine is travel reasons. Put it like this if say the uptake is not what it has to be that's what will happen and rightly so.
The uk government are employing the army to do 750000 alone. Amazing numbers
And in the north all GPS willl have them from Monday with all over 80s done In a week
Great news but watch this little island fuk up somewhere
I would be amazed if it went smoothly
I know for a fact you're wrong about all gps being vaccinated by Monday.
Dont think he said vaccinated by Monday, just recieve supplys of.
Also who is this knob Liam Mulholland that pops up on social media as a local "expert"?
Yes I meant receive. But I could be wrong? I woukd imagine the reason they didn't start vaccinating from yesterday was to get all the supply's out to local GPS across the UK ready for a big push Monday
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 31, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 31, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Fair enough point, not really going to argue it. I'm not an anti Vaxxer or believe there is anything untoward in the jab, just presented my real life findings as opposed to anything I personally may believe.
But I can tell you this board does not reflect real life opinion I've come across from a variety of walks of life. The majority are anti lockdown and fairly uncommittal on the vaccine "I wouldn't really be needing it" was one I heard from someone in their 60s believe it or not. You have to respect that every individual reserves the right to take or not take a vaccine, I wouldn't be quick to label them foolish or reckless.
Spain are considering registering the unvaccinated.These details could be shared with other countries.
I'd be of the opinion that if the vaccine was made available and you refused you should be put up the yard if you subsequently required hospital treatment. Also, the vaccine isn't just about preventing deaths in the elderly, there is an economic benefit too as people won't have to take time off work in the event of being symptomatic. I honestly don't see a downside to it. An expert (a proper one - not a chemical engineer) said that if most people take the jab which will reduce symptoms it therefore reduces the prevalence of the virus and therefore is more likely to die out.If they don't on the basis that they believe they don't need it, not an unfair assessment, the prevalence remains and therefore the risk of further mutation not covered by the vaccines. People need to stop thinking about their own selfish needs and think of the big picture.
For talk sake......and if there turns out to be some side effect from the vaccine in X years?
We've talked about it, there could be issues with plenty medication we've taken in a number years...
The simple solution for everyone is take what you want, I doubt very much anyone will be forced.
But if country asks you to take it before entering you and others will have a choice, if a job requires it, then the option is there also.
Each to their own.. when it's available I'll be taking it, work wise it's very much required for me
Re: China Coronavirus
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So from the 101 deaths in the south of Ireland in December
33 care homes
33 hospital outbreaks
35 from the community
I would imagine the 33 in hospital were patients who were very sick
Get that vaccination into the old and venerable quickly
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Re: China Coronavirus
« Reply #11074 on: Today at 07:06:50 PM »
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So from the 101 deaths in the south of Ireland in December
33 care homes
33 hospital outbreaks
35 from the community
I would imagine the 33 in hospital were patients who were very sick
Get that vaccination into the old and venerable quickly
I wish I was venerable then I could be wise and get the vaccine.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 31, 2020, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 31, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: lenny on December 31, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on December 30, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 30, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I think you'll be surprised at the amount of people, including the elderly have no interest in getting it.
Dead on ..... they prefer to take their chances with a fatal disease.
If you want to get sarky, deadly for approximately 2%.
It's not just the deaths. Lots of people have been left as invalids or with life changing conditions as a result of COVID. Anyone refusing the vaccine is extremely foolish and reckless with their own health and the health of their close contacts.
Fair enough point, not really going to argue it. I'm not an anti Vaxxer or believe there is anything untoward in the jab, just presented my real life findings as opposed to anything I personally may believe.
But I can tell you this board does not reflect real life opinion I've come across from a variety of walks of life. The majority are anti lockdown and fairly uncommittal on the vaccine "I wouldn't really be needing it" was one I heard from someone in their 60s believe it or not. You have to respect that every individual reserves the right to take or not take a vaccine, I wouldn't be quick to label them foolish or reckless.
Spain are considering registering the unvaccinated.These details could be shared with other countries.
I'd be of the opinion that if the vaccine was made available and you refused you should be put up the yard if you subsequently required hospital treatment. Also, the vaccine isn't just about preventing deaths in the elderly, there is an economic benefit too as people won't have to take time off work in the event of being symptomatic. I honestly don't see a downside to it. An expert (a proper one - not a chemical engineer) said that if most people take the jab which will reduce symptoms it therefore reduces the prevalence of the virus and therefore is more likely to die out.If they don't on the basis that they believe they don't need it, not an unfair assessment, the prevalence remains and therefore the risk of further mutation not covered by the vaccines. People need to stop thinking about their own selfish needs and think of the big picture.
For talk sake......and if there turns out to be some side effect from the vaccine in X years?
So don't bother in case there is a long term side effect? If there were no side effects everyone would feel a bit foolish about the hundreds of thousands/millions of dead people in the intervening period. Scientists I.e. people who know what they are doing have practically unlimited investment with unfettered access to intellectual property and technology on a global basis - the development from the Covid sequence has been practically unparalleled so I don't know why people are sceptical of a vaccine which (for the majority of cases) does not introduce the live virus and has the potential to do more good than harm. EVERY medicinal product on the market has a list of potential side effects from mild to serious adverse reaction so there is an element of risk with all of them.
If you read the stuff that comes with every medication you'd take none of them!
Quote from: Rossfan on December 31, 2020, 07:32:53 PM
If you read the stuff that comes with every medication you'd take none of them!
Exactly.
North of Ireland 40000 vaccines administered
South of Ireland 1800 vaccines administered
I sense another absolute ballsup from both
my sister is one of those 1800...
balls up? It depends on what you expect vs the roll out plan vs what actually happens.
One problem is that people are talking about Thalidomide, dodgy experiments in the 1930s or even the Swine Flu vaccine. But the point is that lessons were learned from all these things, flying on an Airbus 320 Neo is not the same as a De Haviiand Comet Mk1 because lessons were learned. There are several vaccines, using different approaches, and you cannot logically tar them all with the same brush.
I see the week before Christmas Northern Ireland was by population the most vaccinated country in the world at about 1.8% (ignoring the obvious issue about the correctness of the term country)I wonder if that's still the case?
Quote from: David McKeown on January 01, 2021, 04:19:59 PM
I see the week before Christmas Northern Ireland was by population the most vaccinated country in the world at about 1.8% (ignoring the obvious issue about the correctness of the term country)I wonder if that's still the case?
I think Bahrain and maybe another country had edged ahead.
I read data to say that the 80+ population in Northern Ireland is very small so potentially NI could have the over 80s covered before any other country. The same source showed a chart that indicated positive cases in over 80s was dropping already.
Hopefully that remains the case.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 31, 2020, 07:32:53 PM
If you read the stuff that comes with every medication you'd take none of them!
Spot on - to say they err on the side of caution is an understatement
Quote from: David McKeown on January 01, 2021, 04:19:59 PM
I see the week before Christmas Northern Ireland was by population the most vaccinated country in the world at about 1.8% (ignoring the obvious issue about the correctness of the term country)I wonder if that's still the case?
Israel is well ahead of every country. They don't mess around.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It does matter because if it doesn't stop transmission then the virus will never go away and you'd probably end up having to continually re-vaccinate the population as immunity progressively wears off - it's going to be difficult enough to vaccinate 80% or more of the population once
The soundings are good re the vaccine significantly inhibiting transmission so hopefully this situation can be avoided
Also I don't think we want the virus running rampant even among under 70s, that could also put enough people in hospital to overwhelm the health system, it's not a cold and it's not a flu, it's a serious virus
Sid let's respect ye virus but it is not a deadly virus to anyone below 50
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:58:05 PM
Sid let's respect ye virus but it is not a deadly virus to anyone below 50
i had an ex colleague aged in his early 30s who died.
Sorry to hear that Padraic
Quote from: sid waddell on January 01, 2021, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It does matter because if it doesn't stop transmission then the virus will never go away and you'd probably end up having to continually re-vaccinate the population as immunity progressively wears off - it's going to be difficult enough to vaccinate 80% or more of the population once
The soundings are good re the vaccine significantly inhibiting transmission so hopefully this situation can be avoided
Also I don't think we want the virus running rampant even among under 70s, that could also put enough people in hospital to overwhelm the health system, it's not a cold and it's not a flu, it's a serious virus
I'd be pretty sure Niall Murphy wouldn't have ended up in an induced coma if he got the flu. Yes it is less serious for under 60s but it has the potential to be an unnecessary burden on the NHS if people refuse the vaccine and turn up to hospital with symptoms requiring treatment and putting workers at risk.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It's a pity (For a change) we can't see NI on that link. I am sure it's somewhere accessible.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 01, 2021, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It's a pity (For a change) we can't see NI on that link. I am sure it's somewhere accessible.
You can select NI
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-12-16..latest&country=RUS~GBR~OWID_WRL~USA~ISR~CAN~CHN~BHR~CHL~MEX~DEU~DNK~PRT~POL~OMN~ITA~KWT~AUT~HRV~GRC~ARG~FRA~FIN~Northern Ireland®ion=World (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-12-16..latest&country=RUS~GBR~OWID_WRL~USA~ISR~CAN~CHN~BHR~CHL~MEX~DEU~DNK~PRT~POL~OMN~ITA~KWT~AUT~HRV~GRC~ARG~FRA~FIN~Northern%20Ireland®ion=World)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 01, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on January 01, 2021, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It does matter because if it doesn't stop transmission then the virus will never go away and you'd probably end up having to continually re-vaccinate the population as immunity progressively wears off - it's going to be difficult enough to vaccinate 80% or more of the population once
The soundings are good re the vaccine significantly inhibiting transmission so hopefully this situation can be avoided
Also I don't think we want the virus running rampant even among under 70s, that could also put enough people in hospital to overwhelm the health system, it's not a cold and it's not a flu, it's a serious virus
I'd be pretty sure Niall Murphy wouldn't have ended up in an induced coma if he got the flu. Yes it is less serious for under 60s but it has the potential to be an unnecessary burden on the NHS if people refuse the vaccine and turn up to hospital with symptoms requiring treatment and putting workers at risk.
niall murphy is in terrible physical shape for a man of his age so this is where personal responsibility comes in, if we were healthier and exercised more there would be less chance of hospitalization. 60% of adults here are overweight with 20% obese, it plays a massive factor in this disease specifically as it targets the lungs.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on January 02, 2021, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 01, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on January 01, 2021, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It does matter because if it doesn't stop transmission then the virus will never go away and you'd probably end up having to continually re-vaccinate the population as immunity progressively wears off - it's going to be difficult enough to vaccinate 80% or more of the population once
The soundings are good re the vaccine significantly inhibiting transmission so hopefully this situation can be avoided
Also I don't think we want the virus running rampant even among under 70s, that could also put enough people in hospital to overwhelm the health system, it's not a cold and it's not a flu, it's a serious virus
I'd be pretty sure Niall Murphy wouldn't have ended up in an induced coma if he got the flu. Yes it is less serious for under 60s but it has the potential to be an unnecessary burden on the NHS if people refuse the vaccine and turn up to hospital with symptoms requiring treatment and putting workers at risk.
niall murphy is in terrible physical shape for a man of his age so this is where personal responsibility comes in, if we were healthier and exercised more there would be less chance of hospitalization. 60% of adults here are overweight with 20% obese, it plays a massive factor in this disease specifically as it targets the lungs.
This lad is 17, and wasn't overweight
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KAVV4p2bF8
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KAVV4p2bF8)
Nice bitta fat shaming on public internet!
Some lovely people
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on January 02, 2021, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 01, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on January 01, 2021, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It does matter because if it doesn't stop transmission then the virus will never go away and you'd probably end up having to continually re-vaccinate the population as immunity progressively wears off - it's going to be difficult enough to vaccinate 80% or more of the population once
The soundings are good re the vaccine significantly inhibiting transmission so hopefully this situation can be avoided
Also I don't think we want the virus running rampant even among under 70s, that could also put enough people in hospital to overwhelm the health system, it's not a cold and it's not a flu, it's a serious virus
I'd be pretty sure Niall Murphy wouldn't have ended up in an induced coma if he got the flu. Yes it is less serious for under 60s but it has the potential to be an unnecessary burden on the NHS if people refuse the vaccine and turn up to hospital with symptoms requiring treatment and putting workers at risk.
niall murphy is in terrible physical shape for a man of his age so this is where personal responsibility comes in, if we were healthier and exercised more there would be less chance of hospitalization. 60% of adults here are overweight with 20% obese, it plays a massive factor in this disease specifically as it targets the lungs.
Calling out someone in the public eye whilst hiding behind a pseudonym is poor form.
See rule 2.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 02, 2021, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 01, 2021, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It's a pity (For a change) we can't see NI on that link. I am sure it's somewhere accessible.
You can select NI
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-12-16..latest&country=RUS~GBR~OWID_WRL~USA~ISR~CAN~CHN~BHR~CHL~MEX~DEU~DNK~PRT~POL~OMN~ITA~KWT~AUT~HRV~GRC~ARG~FRA~FIN~Northern Ireland®ion=World (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-12-16..latest&country=RUS~GBR~OWID_WRL~USA~ISR~CAN~CHN~BHR~CHL~MEX~DEU~DNK~PRT~POL~OMN~ITA~KWT~AUT~HRV~GRC~ARG~FRA~FIN~Northern%20Ireland®ion=World)
Brilliant. Thanks.
Lads let's keep the personal stuff off the thread
I don't think it was meant
So Monday is the day it all ramps up
I expect the UK know they will be world beaters at this
Seriously if they mess this one up they all need to go
Both Vaccine company's have come out and said there is no issue with supply's
Over to you Boris and co
Robbie Swann let's see what you are made off
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
Lads let's keep the personal stuff off the thread
I don't think it was meant
So Monday is the day it all ramps up
I expect the UK know they will be world beaters at this
Seriously if they mess this one up they all need to go
Both Vaccine company's have come out and said there is no issue with supply's
Over to you Boris and co
Robbie Swann let's see what you are made off
I think the whole agenda here is to delay as long as possible to get rid of as many vulnerable people as possible and to f**k up the NHS as much as they can.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
Both Vaccine company's have come out and said there is no issue with supply's
Over to you Boris and co
Robbie Swann let's see what you are made off
There is a limited supply of vaccines, even if the authorities are exemplary about delivering them.
Yes but both suppliers have come out and said they have no issues
So say Oxford can supply 2 million a week and Pfizer can supply 200000 let's get them out and less of the bullshite excuses.
So if that's what the uk is doing a week the north should be hitting 68000 per week
Some hope of that
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2021, 02:35:22 PM
Yes but both suppliers have come out and said they have no issues
So say Oxford can supply 2 million a week and Pfizer can supply 200000 let's get them out and less of the bullshite excuses.
So if that's what the uk is doing a week the north should be hitting 68000 per week
Some hope of that
I think you are a bit hasty in your pessimism.
This year and every year a quarter of a million flu jabs are delivered over a couple of months or so each year The Pfizer vaccine is hard to handle, but the Oxford one is more usual and can be distributed out through GPs, district nurses, pharmacists, care home nurses and so forth that would do the flu jab. When the holiday season is over and they get going they might do rightly.
If they are not up to speed in a fortnight then by all means criticise them.
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Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Israel moving well. They will be out of danger totally in 4 weeks
Can't get my head around the people who continue to say sure we don't know if it's stops transmission onto others. It really doesn't matter if it does or not. If you vaccinate all over 60s and the most vulnerable let it spread away. A small amount below 60 need hospital admission
It does matter because if it doesn't stop transmission then the virus will never go away and you'd probably end up having to continually re-vaccinate the population as immunity progressively wears off - it's going to be difficult enough to vaccinate 80% or more of the population once
The soundings are good re the vaccine significantly inhibiting transmission so hopefully this situation can be avoided
Also I don't think we want the virus running rampant even among under 70s, that could also put enough people in hospital to overwhelm the health system, it's not a cold and it's not a flu, it's a serious virus
I'd be pretty sure Niall Murphy wouldn't have ended up in an induced coma if he got the flu. Yes it is less serious for under 60s but it has the potential to be an unnecessary burden on the NHS if people refuse the vaccine and turn up to hospital with symptoms requiring treatment and putting workers at risk.
niall murphy is in terrible physical shape for a man of his age so this is where personal responsibility comes in, if we were healthier and exercised more there would be less chance of hospitalization. 60% of adults here are overweight with 20% obese, it plays a massive factor in this disease specifically as it targets the lungs.
This lad is 17, and wasn't overweight
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KAVV4p2bF8
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KAVV4p2bF8)
The poor kid will probably have permanent nerve damage
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200911141648.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200911141648.htm)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2021, 12:30:53 AM
Nice bitta fat shaming on public internet!
Some lovely people
To be honest, if people have constantly ignored the public health warnings regarding their health and weight (very much including smoking). The chickens were always going to come home to roost.
Covid is ruthlessly exposing weakness in the body. It's not about fat shaming, it's about taking your personal health seriously after this. Still to my mind Covid is destroying the elderly population that were mass smokers.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 03, 2021, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2021, 12:30:53 AM
Nice bitta fat shaming on public internet!
Some lovely people
To be honest, if people have constantly ignored the public health warnings regarding their health and weight (very much including smoking). The chickens were always going to come home to roost.
Covid is ruthlessly exposing weakness in the body. It's not about fat shaming, it's about taking your personal health seriously after this. Still to my mind Covid is destroying the elderly population that were mass smokers.
Collectively yes, everyone needs to take a serious look at how they are looking after their bodies.
By the same token there were plenty of 'fat' people that finished across the triathlon marathon lines before skinny people... I've personally seen at these events and thought this guy will have a heart attack before getting out of the water, zooming past me on their bike early on is very disheartening!
So while there are a lot of people out there overweight, I'll hold judgment on a person's fitness until I know personally what his health choices are.
So naming and claiming without knowing is what I was calling out.
Since lockdown and gyms have closed my physical fitness has dropped considerably, dodgy knee lately hasn't helped but, I can see how quickly your body can lose fitness and tone.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2021, 02:35:22 PM
Yes but both suppliers have come out and said they have no issues
So say Oxford can supply 2 million a week and Pfizer can supply 200000 let's get them out and less of the bullshite excuses.
So if that's what the uk is doing a week the north should be hitting 68000 per week
Some hope of that
I don't understand this. Israel are saying they have to slow down their roll out to ensure they have enough second doses for those who got the first dose.
What bit don't you get David
How those two things are both accurate. Israel are having to slow down or face running out of the vaccine yet the supplier is saying they have no difficulty meeting demand. Surely if there was no issue meeting demand Israel wouldn't have to slow down or risk running out.
The suppliers are saying they have no difficulty meeting the pre agreed delivery schedules. They are not saying there isn't a shortage in supply. Oxford have over 4m doses ready but only 530k vials to put them in, hence the first UK delivery was just 530k.
Quote from: God14 on January 04, 2021, 06:05:51 AM
The suppliers are saying they have no difficulty meeting the pre agreed delivery schedules. They are not saying there isn't a shortage in supply. Oxford have over 4m doses ready but only 530k vials to put them in, hence the first UK delivery was just 530k.
Ahh ok. Thanks. That's where my confusion was. I knew one of the major problems with the Pfizer vaccine was the lack of dry ice worldwide. So it's somewhat misleading for the vaccine provider to suggest there is no issues with supply.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2021, 12:30:53 AM
Nice bitta fat shaming on public internet!
Some lovely people
To be honest, if people have constantly ignored the public health warnings regarding their health and weight (very much including smoking). The chickens were always going to come home to roost.
Covid is ruthlessly exposing weakness in the body. It's not about fat shaming, it's about taking your personal health seriously after this. Still to my mind Covid is destroying the elderly population that were mass smokers.
Collectively yes, everyone needs to take a serious look at how they are looking after their bodies.
By the same token there were plenty of 'fat' people that finished across the triathlon marathon lines before skinny people... I've personally seen at these events and thought this guy will have a heart attack before getting out of the water, zooming past me on their bike early on is very disheartening!
So while there are a lot of people out there overweight, I'll hold judgment on a person's fitness until I know personally what his health choices are.
So naming and claiming without knowing is what I was calling out.
Since lockdown and gyms have closed my physical fitness has dropped considerably, dodgy knee lately hasn't helped but, I can see how quickly your body can lose fitness and tone.
Of course, there are some fellas just carry a bit of weight - doesn't mean they are lesser athletes. Like my old hero, Rory Woods ;)
My point was aimed more at smoking to be honest. Winds me up, seeing these ones in shops with the masks on then them out the front about 2 steps and the mask to the side and cigarette in. It's baffling. What's the point?
When your paying for these packets and on the side it says "smoking causes death" or whatever that blurb is. What do you expect? Something perverse that we've banned any kind of health facility being open, but some man can stroll in and pick up a pack of those things in the middle of this thing to me.
It's more infuriating again when you're walking into a maternity hospital with no smoking signs everywhere and there are heavily pregnant women standing smoking under these signs so you can't avoid breathing in the smoke as you walk past them.
Smokers don't read the signs or care about them, they are addicted to the nicotine and that's that..
It could predict on the packet when they are going to die or show someone in agony on their death bed and it won't stop them smoking.
So Nicola S revealed that Scotland will have 900000 vaccines before the end of January
So that would mean N Ireland should receive 315000 approx
A statement today says we are aiming to vaccinate 11000 people this week and 80s and above by the end of the month. How underwhelming is that. So so slow
Nicola S also reveal that everyone above 50 will have received 1 vaccination by the middle of April
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2021, 10:58:05 PM
Sid let's respect ye virus but it is not a deadly virus to anyone below 50
It is not to most, but why let it linger round and mutate and cause issues. Cut out it's transmission pathways and maybe wipe it out before we get too many strains.
We don't have to vaccinate for smallpox any more.
So boris has just confirmed that the uk will administer 13.9 million vaccines by the middle of February
With all 4 nations getting exactly the same amount per population that leaves Northern Ireland getting 2.9% of 13.9 million which means by mid February we should have vaccinated 406000
And it has been confirmed that we plan to vaccinate 11000 this week. Why are questions not being asked. 11000
Sweet Christ
The north going at a snails pace
10000 in a week
The south will over take very soon watch
Expected them to be poor
Local health centres already giving off they haven't heard a thing
Almost 44000 to date have received a vaccine in the North, primarily the pfizer one which isnt easy to distribute
Only 30 gp practices received the Oxford vaccine on Monday, but every GP practice will be distributing it in their communities from next Tuesday. There are 50,000 doses of Oxford vaccine in NI at present and another 160,000 due in less than a fortnight's time. More pfizer product is due also.
I cant see how the south would be able to vaccinate more per capita, and to be honest wouldn't really be interested in the merits of a race between the two. We need herd immunity across the island.
I share your frustration at the pace of these things, Tony Blair actually spoke alot of sense this morning on how the UK must ramp up its efforts.
Once their is enough vaccine available, Im confident they will get it administered
Daily vaccination figures reported will help, what gets measured gets done
Leo V says the south will vaccinate 395000 doses by the end of February
I will compare north to south on this
The south seem to be going at a snails pace
Watch them get left behind
Let them have a race if if means it gets done quicker!
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on January 06, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
Let them have a race if if means it gets done quicker!
Fair point, didn't think of that!!
You can rest assure people and politicians will start comparing them in a few weeks
And both won't want to look bad
I just feel the north look poor
50000 doses sitting and only doing 11000
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 06, 2021, 05:53:55 PM
You can rest assure people and politicians will start comparing them in a few weeks
And both won't want to look bad
I just feel the north look poor
50000 doses sitting and only doing 11000
Do you know what the issues are with the logistics of this? What's the plan?
50,000 mark was hit yesterday in the North. Equates to 2.65% of the population. Much higher than the UK, USA, or anywhere in Europe.
Things should, and indeed must ramp up next week though. Looks like the vaccine was only given to 30 practices this week, so things could be tweaked ahead of bigger roll out next week... Needless loss of a week??
If Dublin Govt and HSE wanted to roll out the Oxford vaccine could they? Or are they bound by EU rules?
Genuine question, no affiliation with brexit!... But this could be a political football forevermore in the United Ireland debate up here. If the Oxford vaccine proves effective, DUP will argue we are better off in the UK system
A test run of 30 GPS to roll it out this week
Expect things to ramp up this week
With 2 vaccines and the numbers we should be doing 70 a week
With England saying they will do 13.9 in 6 weeks the north's target should be 320000 as a percent of England's population
Not a hope
Any news on the rollout of the vaccine in the south. We seem to be taking our time compared to the north.
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Any news on the rollout of the vaccine in the south. We seem to be taking our time compared to the north.
Apparently not if you're following Smurphy
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 06, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
A test run of 30 GPS to roll it out this week
Expect things to ramp up this week
With 2 vaccines and the numbers we should be doing 70 a week
With England saying they will do 13.9 in 6 weeks the north's target should be 320000 as a percent of England's population
Not a hope
With a tonne of professionals volunteering, the big vaccine centres all operational, the quota ready and Health Centres all being furnished with vaccines by Monday evening, why do you say there isn't a hope?
Well the south say they will do 45000 in week 1 Witt the Pfizer the north aiming for 11000 with both
We don't I think they will make over 300000 by mid February? Because I don't have confidence in anything that they do. Useless. Every last one of them
They all say things, it keeps them in jobs, the problem is they've been shown up so many times that believing any politician is dangerous but stupidity people do!
Quote from: God14 on January 06, 2021, 06:22:37 PM
If Dublin Govt and HSE wanted to roll out the Oxford vaccine could they? Or are they bound by EU rules?
Genuine question, no affiliation with brexit!... But this could be a political football forevermore in the United Ireland debate up here. If the Oxford vaccine proves effective, DUP will argue we are better off in the UK system
No, Dublin can temporarily approve Oxford on an emergency basis. However, unless they actually have these vaccines in hand there isn't much point. If they were already using all of the Pfizer stock (and they should have slightly more pro rate than in the 6 counties) and now the Moderna, the you could see a case but if they haven't managed to hit the limits of these then they might as well wait, Oxford have not submitted their data to the EMA but they will in 2 weeks or so.
There is discussion of the end of February here, by then the EU countries should be ready to go with the Janssen vaccine, if it is approved, the UK has not ordered much of this. It has been tested with only one shot and so the stock might do a significant number of people. You'll have new blocks of Vaccine adding to the supply every few weeks, increasing the rate of vaccination.
It's strange on this one that we seem to be dismissing slow rollouts of the vaccine, only X % done. Yet deaths are much, much lower than that and we've changed the course of the planet.
Bad news sells.
Ah sure everyone's going to die so why bother wasting money on Hospitals, doctors, health systems etc.....?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 07, 2021, 10:24:18 AM
It's strange on this one that we seem to be dismissing slow rollouts of the vaccine, only X % done. Yet deaths are much, much lower than that and we've changed the course of the planet.
Bad news sells.
Exactly.
It's easier for governments to blame people for not complying that to actually put solutions in place then when you have naive folly who will accept everything without actually questioning and looking at the data.
It's got nothing to do with "the data".
The government has f**ked up by having no working track and trace, by not closing borders, by underfunding the NHS (the south equally as bad from what I can see) and I'm sure the list could go on.
The health system is now f**ked unless they lockdown. It's as simple as that.
Dissecting data from year a, b or c to the nth degree - whether you understand the data or not - will make no difference to that fact. The health service(s) are in a very crippling time and will continue to be until this gets cleared. To alleviate pressure on the health service until they get , what we all hope or we are in big bother, the silver bullet of a vaccine then we need to lockdown. There are no other options.
The governments here couldn't run a piss up in a brewery never mind successfully navigate a global pandemic and this is why it has come to what it has come to.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
It's got nothing to do with "the data".
The government has f**ked up by having no working track and trace, by not closing borders, by underfunding the NHS (the south equally as bad from what I can see) and I'm sure the list could go on.
The health system is now f**ked unless they lockdown. It's as simple as that.
Dissecting data from year a, b or c to the nth degree - whether you understand the data or not - will make no difference to that fact. The health service(s) are in a very crippling time and will continue to be until this gets cleared. To alleviate pressure on the health service until they get , what we all hope or we are in big bother, the silver bullet of a vaccine then we need to lockdown. There are no other options.
The governments here couldn't run a piss up in a brewery never mind successfully navigate a global pandemic and this is why it has come to what it has come to.
It's the same all over Europe.
There are other options. We just chose the one that solely focuses on Covid and completely ignore the devastating impacts of implementing that strategy.
Has it ever crossed your mind that the cure might have far more consequences than the problem?
There are other options if you have a government who either a) can or b) will implement them. We don't. (Incidentally those involve shutting borders first and foremost - never going to happen - then a lot more after that).
We don't have a cure. We have a stop gap until we can find a magic silver bullet of a vaccine which we all may pray works.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 07, 2021, 11:44:40 AM
Ah sure everyone's going to die so why bother wasting money on Hospitals, doctors, health systems etc.....?
You were the man celebrating the fact the North was undergoing a rough enough time with regards to numbers.
To be honest, I don't really think there's much point in you trying to go down the moral route.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:12:33 PM
There are other options if you have a government who either a) can or b) will implement them. We don't. (Incidentally those involve shutting borders first and foremost - never going to happen - then a lot more after that).
We don't have a cure. We have a stop gap until we can find a magic silver bullet of a vaccine which we all may pray works.
Sweden are the only gov in Europe who did something different.
They've not done any worse than the other countries despite being pilloried for it by the know nothings.
I haven't looked in that much detail of Sweden if I'm honest. One thing I would say is that data on this is more than deaths - it is also how the health service copes and has capacity to cope. Anything I see on your analysis of data, and I don't read it all, would suggest your bottom line is deaths. It is a lot more than that. Maybe I could be picking you up wrong.
Also without delving too much I would have thought that by bringing in restrictions of some sort they are almost admitting they should have done that in the first place anyway.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I haven't looked in that much detail of Sweden if I'm honest. One thing I would say is that data on this is more than deaths - it is also how the health service copes and has capacity to cope. Anything I see on your analysis of data, and I don't read it all, would suggest your bottom line is deaths. It is a lot more than that. Maybe I could be picking you up wrong.
Also without delving too much I would have thought that by bringing in restrictions of some sort they are almost admitting they should have done that in the first place anyway.
And what about lockdowns? What about the data of them, we know the stigma of high unemployment rates on a society never mind when you go through all the different vulnerable groupings and the impact it has on them.
What about lockdowns?
What data do you want on them?
x businesses shut because of lockdown. y people killed themselves due to the impacts of lockdown.
What are you looking for here?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:40:31 PM
What about lockdowns?
What data do you want on them?
x businesses shut because of lockdown. y people killed themselves due to the impacts of lockdown.
What are you looking for here?
An acceptance that the cure could have more far reaching and long lasting damage than the problem.
It may have or then on the other hand it may not have.
We'll never know.
I think it will have massive negative repercussions and I wish we didn't have to do it. However I also think that not doing it would have significantly more negative repercussions.
What is this argument about? Is thinking like the above meant to make someone a bad person or something?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
It's got nothing to do with "the data".
The government has f**ked up by having no working track and trace, by not closing borders, by underfunding the NHS (the south equally as bad from what I can see) and I'm sure the list could go on.
The health system is now f**ked unless they lockdown. It's as simple as that.
Dissecting data from year a, b or c to the nth degree - whether you understand the data or not - will make no difference to that fact. The health service(s) are in a very crippling time and will continue to be until this gets cleared. To alleviate pressure on the health service until they get , what we all hope or we are in big bother, the silver bullet of a vaccine then we need to lockdown. There are no other options.
The Health services North and South have a lot wrong with them in normal times and some disgraceful waiting lists. However, even a good health service can't cope with a once in a century disease without extra measures, Germany being a good current example.
Anyone old enough to die from Covid will remember that 39 years ago at this exact time of year (8 Jan) that most of Ireland was completely fecked up by snow and had to pretty much close down. Now of course when there is snow you can say that the government should have more equipment etc, but given the frequency of heavy snow it isn't really feasible to do that. After that snow the US government donated Ireland snow blowers, these were never used and were scrapped after 20 years or so, as sufficient snow did not fall for 28 years (2010). Likewise you cannot run the health service with loads of extra staff and hospitals for a once in a 100 year event.
And whatever about the anti lockdown brigade last year when they said that a vaccine might never come, to let Covid rip a few weeks before vaccines become available would be an act of monumental stupidity.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
It may have or then on the other hand it may not have.
We'll never know.
I think it will have massive negative repercussions and I wish we didn't have to do it. However I also think that not doing it would have significantly more negative repercussions.
What is this argument about? Is thinking like the above meant to make someone a bad person or something?
So you don't know but dismiss anyway. Right now is the time to take the right action.
Matt Hancock goes on a PR stunt to a GP's clinic to see how they're getting on with the vaccinations and their batch didn't arrive........
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-surgery-visited-by-matt-hancock-to-mark-oxfordastrazeneca-jab-rollout-has-delivery-of-it-delayed-12181327?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-surgery-visited-by-matt-hancock-to-mark-oxfordastrazeneca-jab-rollout-has-delivery-of-it-delayed-12181327?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter)
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
It may have or then on the other hand it may not have.
We'll never know.
I think it will have massive negative repercussions and I wish we didn't have to do it. However I also think that not doing it would have significantly more negative repercussions.
What is this argument about? Is thinking like the above meant to make someone a bad person or something?
So you don't know but dismiss anyway. Right now is the time to take the right action.
I've not dismissed anything.
Does every choice you make mean you dismiss every other potential choice?
You are the mosyt dismissive person here lol
Johnycool that's some shitshow
That's actually quite unbelievable
Going for a PR shoot and no vaccines arrive
Logistical the supply on this island should be easily rolled out. A small island get 100s of delivery staff on the roads and get them to everyone. It's really not that hard
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
It may have or then on the other hand it may not have.
We'll never know.
I think it will have massive negative repercussions and I wish we didn't have to do it. However I also think that not doing it would have significantly more negative repercussions.
What is this argument about? Is thinking like the above meant to make someone a bad person or something?
So you don't know but dismiss anyway. Right now is the time to take the right action.
I've not dismissed anything.
Does every choice you make mean you dismiss every other potential choice?
You are the mosyt dismissive person here lol
Well we are going with the failed strategy for the third time now?
What's going to be different this time?
Do you look at the numbers in hospital? They are at breaking point.
there is absolutely no choice here.
The HSE claim that 15000 in the 26 counties have had their first dose of vaccine. This seems a rather faster rate of inoculation than some of us thought.
Leo V said today that the Moderna vaccine would come on stream in a few weeks, and it would increase in volume after April. It will be less than the Pfizer though. The AstraZeneca approval would be bigger boost to volumes. They'd need to ramp up the volume.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2021, 02:36:35 PM
Johnycool that's some shitshow
That's actually quite unbelievable
Going for a PR shoot and no vaccines arrive
Logistical the supply on this island should be easily rolled out. A small island get 100s of delivery staff on the roads and get them to everyone. It's really not that hard
You work in logistics?
They haven't enough vials for the amount of vaccines required!
Get the god damn vials
It's not like they didn't know
Sort it out
Our government good at given out. Spend less time talking and more time organising and saving life's
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2021, 06:14:21 PM
Get the god damn vials
It's not like they didn't know
Sort it out
Our government good at given out. Spend less time talking and more time organising and saving life's
major boo boo by the pharma companies not having vials ready in the supply chain all the same.
EU double the amount of Pfizer Biontech vaccine
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0108/1188442-coronavirus-vaccine/
in the Spring, all of this vaccination will rev up greatly.
Also on the good news front Biontech have said that it is effective against the British and South African variants.
92000 shots in the arm given out in Northern Ireland
Some of those have received 2 doses
92000 in total
Wow that has surprised me. Good going
No numbers from the South.
The pace should actually pick up considerably from today. Because the roll out of Oxford vaccine by local GP practices starts today.
Can't remember if it was the world or Europe, but it was mentioned on RTE News last night that the north is the third or fourth best per head of population in terms of vaccine rollout.
Quote from: God14 on January 12, 2021, 05:58:49 AM
The pace should actually pick up considerably from today. Because the roll out of Oxford vaccine by local GP practices starts today.
Is there any fundamental difference in the vacines in the way they work or are they all just variants of the same technology?
Ex Cricketer Jeoffrey Boycott on GMTV this morning being asked about getting his vaccine. He went off on one (and rightly so) about the delay btw doses for the Phzier vaccine which only offers 52% protection with the first dose. Has to wait 12 weeks for his second. Shouts into the camera 'dont get the phizer..wait for the oxford one....
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Was in one of the big centres so Pfizer. I'm assuming your mammy is going to her GP? In that case I'm assuming it's the Oxford vaccine NAH. I know a few over 80s who've now been vaccinated. A slightly sore arm seems to have been the height of it. Zero pain or any feelings of illness with myself of any colleagues.
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
It's a no brainer. It's a choice between Covid and an approved regulated Vaccine...
Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for. He should be imprisoned.
Staff in my place have sent an email off to HR as some essential workers who are working with the elderly are getting the vaccine..
I think if you can show you work in essential key work area you can get the vaccine...
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Quote from: God14 on January 12, 2021, 05:58:49 AM
The pace should actually pick up considerably from today. Because the roll out of Oxford vaccine by local GP practices starts today.
Is there any fundamental difference in the vacines in the way they work or are they all just variants of the same technology?
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work in much the same way and are a new technology. The Oxford and the Russian one are similar as is the Johnson & Johnson one which will likely be the next one to be approved. One of the Chinese jabs is a traditional deactivated vaccine.
The NYTimes describes them https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/how-covid-19-vaccines-work.html
They say the pfizer one is harder to take, ie potential sickness afterwards for a day or two. Although the trials show its more efficient.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Was in one of the big centres so Pfizer. I'm assuming your mammy is going to her GP? In that case I'm assuming it's the Oxford vaccine NAH. I know a few over 80s who've now been vaccinated. A slightly sore arm seems to have been the height of it. Zero pain or any feelings of illness with myself of any colleagues.
Yeah it's the GP car park, apparently you don't get out of the car so likely the other one (can't even pronounce it never mind spell it). I have had another chat with her and she definitely wants it. I have a couple of sibling and their spouses a bit on the " earth is flat" spectrum so it's hard to know.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Was in one of the big centres so Pfizer. I'm assuming your mammy is going to her GP? In that case I'm assuming it's the Oxford vaccine NAH. I know a few over 80s who've now been vaccinated. A slightly sore arm seems to have been the height of it. Zero pain or any feelings of illness with myself of any colleagues.
Yeah it's the GP car park, apparently you don't get out of the car so likely the other one (can't even pronounce it never mind spell it). I have had another chat with her and she definitely wants it. I have a couple of sibling and their spouses a bit on the " earth is flat" spectrum so it's hard to know.
Hope all goes well Hound. We've 1 flat earther in our wider family. Craic can be good at get togethers :)
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Was in one of the big centres so Pfizer. I'm assuming your mammy is going to her GP? In that case I'm assuming it's the Oxford vaccine NAH. I know a few over 80s who've now been vaccinated. A slightly sore arm seems to have been the height of it. Zero pain or any feelings of illness with myself of any colleagues.
Yeah it's the GP car park, apparently you don't get out of the car so likely the other one (can't even pronounce it never mind spell it). I have had another chat with her and she definitely wants it. I have a couple of sibling and their spouses a bit on the " earth is flat" spectrum so it's hard to know.
Hope all goes well Hound. We've 1 flat earther in our wider family. Craic can be good at get togethers :)
He'll not be allowed at the get togethers from now on if everyone else gets the jab ;)
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Was in one of the big centres so Pfizer. I'm assuming your mammy is going to her GP? In that case I'm assuming it's the Oxford vaccine NAH. I know a few over 80s who've now been vaccinated. A slightly sore arm seems to have been the height of it. Zero pain or any feelings of illness with myself of any colleagues.
Yeah it's the GP car park, apparently you don't get out of the car so likely the other one (can't even pronounce it never mind spell it). I have had another chat with her and she definitely wants it. I have a couple of sibling and their spouses a bit on the " earth is flat" spectrum so it's hard to know.
Hope all goes well Hound. We've 1 flat earther in our wider family. Craic can be good at get togethers :)
He'll She'll not be allowed at the get togethers from now on if everyone else gets the jab ;)
:). Another positive MR2!
Thanks guys
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Was in one of the big centres so Pfizer. I'm assuming your mammy is going to her GP? In that case I'm assuming it's the Oxford vaccine NAH. I know a few over 80s who've now been vaccinated. A slightly sore arm seems to have been the height of it. Zero pain or any feelings of illness with myself of any colleagues.
Yeah it's the GP car park, apparently you don't get out of the car so likely the other one (can't even pronounce it never mind spell it). I have had another chat with her and she definitely wants it. I have a couple of sibling and their spouses a bit on the " earth is flat" spectrum so it's hard to know.
My da surprisingly got it last week. I wouldn't say he's a flat earther but he is not a fan of the flu jab at all.
First (small) delivery of Moderna vaccine arrives in Dublin.
AstraZeneca apply to EMA for approval.
Things are on the move.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on January 12, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Got vaccinated myself, well the 1st jab. So far so good in the 6 counties as regards over 80s, underlying, care homes, front line workers and hitting targets.
What vaccine did you get, I have to take my mum tomorrow ( she is 81 ) and some family members are apprehensive. Talk of some illness for two days etc. I'm the oldest and told them its her decision not ours. She has her wits about her and I have no problem with her decision. I thinks the not the phizer but the other one.
Elderly don't suffer as bad after it as their immune response isn't firing in all cylinders the same way a younger person's is.
I got the Oxford one last week, im 32, and had sore head/tired/general illness for about 24hours after. Its very manageable.
My dad got it at 84. He had no ill effects whatsoever.
The north Could hit 300000 by mid February
I hold my hands up
They are doing a lot better than I thought
A slow start but moving very well now
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2021, 06:53:25 PM
First (small) delivery of Moderna vaccine arrives in Dublin.
AstraZeneca apply to EMA for approval.
Things are on the move.
Why has the ROI roll out been so awful? They are getting some slating online but not a peep on here.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 12, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2021, 06:53:25 PM
First (small) delivery of Moderna vaccine arrives in Dublin.
AstraZeneca apply to EMA for approval.
Things are on the move.
Why has the ROI roll out been so awful? They are getting some slating online but not a peep on here.
Vaccines were slower to be approved in the EU and their health service seems to be a joke.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 12, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2021, 06:53:25 PM
First (small) delivery of Moderna vaccine arrives in Dublin.
AstraZeneca apply to EMA for approval.
Things are on the move.
Why has the ROI roll out been so awful? They are getting some slating online but not a peep on here.
Only vaccinating when they have the supplies
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2021, 09:22:13 PM
The north Could hit 300000 by mid February
I hold my hands up
They are doing a lot better than I thought
A slow start but moving very well now
Was there some reasoning to why you thought it was going to be a shit roll out? Poor government would have been that I'm sure!
Sister husband was phoned to get it as some were going to waste as they needed to be used due to timing..
So plenty of Angelo's in their 80's
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2021, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 12, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2021, 06:53:25 PM
First (small) delivery of Moderna vaccine arrives in Dublin.
AstraZeneca apply to EMA for approval.
Things are on the move.
Why has the ROI roll out been so awful? They are getting some slating online but not a peep on here.
Vaccines were slower to be approved in the EU and their health service seems to be a joke.
But they weren't bound by any EU rules, Ze Germans went and bought themselves other batches and pressed ahead with vaccinations at a rapid rate.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 12, 2021, 08:04:09 PM
My dad got it at 84. He had no ill effects whatsoever.
My folks both got the AZ one last week, late 80's, no problems at all.
Ireland second in EU for vaccinations.
(https://img.rasset.ie/00160fb2-614.jpg)
Quote from: armaghniac on January 15, 2021, 11:08:56 AM
Ireland second in EU for vaccinations.
(https://img.rasset.ie/00160fb2-614.jpg)
Yeah but we have to games in hand.
Quote from: weareros on January 12, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Where did they say that?
They have said a single dose is 51% effective. They have also said they do not have data on different spacing as the trial wasonly performed with 3 week intervals.
3 weeks is a standard gap as the likelihood of patients returning after a longer duration drops off.
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 12, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Where did they say that?
They have said a single dose is 51% effective. They have also said they do not have data on different spacing as the trial wasonly performed with 3 week intervals.
3 weeks is a standard gap as the likelihood of patients returning after a longer duration drops off.
I've have seen this statement from Pfizer and BioNTech - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n18
In a joint statement Pfizer and BioNTech said, "The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design . . . There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days."
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 12, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Where did they say that?
They have said a single dose is 51% effective. They have also said they do not have data on different spacing as the trial wasonly performed with 3 week intervals.
3 weeks is a standard gap as the likelihood of patients returning after a longer duration drops off.
I've have seen this statement from Pfizer and BioNTech - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n18
In a joint statement Pfizer and BioNTech said, "The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design . . . There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days."
Not quite what you have said then?
Quote from: Taylor on January 15, 2021, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 12, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Where did they say that?
They have said a single dose is 51% effective. They have also said they do not have data on different spacing as the trial wasonly performed with 3 week intervals.
3 weeks is a standard gap as the likelihood of patients returning after a longer duration drops off.
I've have seen this statement from Pfizer and BioNTech - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n18
In a joint statement Pfizer and BioNTech said, "The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design . . . There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days."
Not quite what you have said then?
Lol
Quote from: Taylor on January 15, 2021, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 12, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Where did they say that?
They have said a single dose is 51% effective. They have also said they do not have data on different spacing as the trial wasonly performed with 3 week intervals.
3 weeks is a standard gap as the likelihood of patients returning after a longer duration drops off.
I've have seen this statement from Pfizer and BioNTech - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n18
In a joint statement Pfizer and BioNTech said, "The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design . . . There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days."
Not quite what you have said then?
What should I have said? Pfizer and BioNTech say there's no data to prove it's effective if the 2nd jab is administered after 21 days - then if the British government are going to ignore and take up to 3 months, then that strikes me as useless unless experts are wrong and Boris and co get lucky. It strikes me as similar to when he decided to shake hands to the people in hospital to show Covid was nothing to worry about.
BBC News - Coronavirus: EU anger over reduced Pfizer vaccine deliveries
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55666399
Quote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2021, 09:35:54 PM
BBC News - Coronavirus: EU anger over reduced Pfizer vaccine deliveries
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55666399
I think this is a bit of a stunt. Pfizer said that vaccines would be delayed for 3 weeks, various countries jumped up and down and so they said OK then they'll only be delayed for one week, which was probably all they needed.
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2021, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 15, 2021, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 15, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on January 15, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: weareros on January 12, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
Pfizer has also said the vaccine is useless if second jab is not administered within 21 days but UK is going to ignore that advice. So let's say you admininister 1 million vaccines and jab 2 to that million comes 2 months later. Is that 1 million vaccinated or zero? Those percentages all seem to be based on jab 1.
Where did they say that?
They have said a single dose is 51% effective. They have also said they do not have data on different spacing as the trial wasonly performed with 3 week intervals.
3 weeks is a standard gap as the likelihood of patients returning after a longer duration drops off.
I've have seen this statement from Pfizer and BioNTech - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n18
In a joint statement Pfizer and BioNTech said, "The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design . . . There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days."
Not quite what you have said then?
What should I have said? Pfizer and BioNTech say there's no data to prove it's effective if the 2nd jab is administered after 21 days - then if the British government are going to ignore and take up to 3 months, then that strikes me as useless unless experts are wrong and Boris and co get lucky. It strikes me as similar to when he decided to shake hands to the people in hospital to show Covid was nothing to worry about.
They have no data as they did not test other spacing not because it doesn't work. It could be more effective 3 months apart. They don't know. They are not afraid to display their lack of knowledge.
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
That would be great news
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
Is it supplies or the lack of people distributing it?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
Ah great another science report with the words "could", "might" and "may". Really clarifies everything.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
All of 2021 will be similar to 2020. Maybe a couple of weeks here and there for cafes/pubs opening up with distancing/shields etc, only to be closed again.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
I honestly don't know how pubs go back to how they were. Restaurants I could see late in the year.
A lot depends on success of vaccine I guess but even if the logistics of distribution get sorted then it would probably take some time to get confidence back etc.
I would be hoping restaurants get opened before then mind all be it slightly restricted.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
I honestly don't know how pubs go back to how they were. Restaurants I could see late in the year.
A lot depends on success of vaccine I guess but even if the logistics of distribution get sorted then it would probably take some time to get confidence back etc.
I would be hoping restaurants get opened before then mind all be it slightly restricted.
If the pubs aren't going to open properly then it'll be another miserable year, if we go down the route of a vaccine passport surely then we can at the very least start removing restrictions?
Those vaccinated now, are they registered has having received the jab? A data base wouldn't be that difficult to produce
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
I would have thought if all the population gets vaccinated then the virus dies out?
It's up to first world countries to assist poorer countries to ensure they're populations also get vaccinated
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
I honestly don't know how pubs go back to how they were. Restaurants I could see late in the year.
A lot depends on success of vaccine I guess but even if the logistics of distribution get sorted then it would probably take some time to get confidence back etc.
I would be hoping restaurants get opened before then mind all be it slightly restricted.
If the pubs aren't going to open properly then it'll be another miserable year, if we go down the route of a vaccine passport surely then we can at the very least start removing restrictions?
Those vaccinated now, are they registered has having received the jab? A data base wouldn't be that difficult to produce
Vaccine passports are coming, the sooner the better. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-leaders-draw-up-coronavirus-vaccine-passports-to-restart-foreign-travel-2kgtsd503
Quote from: bennydorano on January 16, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
I honestly don't know how pubs go back to how they were. Restaurants I could see late in the year.
A lot depends on success of vaccine I guess but even if the logistics of distribution get sorted then it would probably take some time to get confidence back etc.
I would be hoping restaurants get opened before then mind all be it slightly restricted.
If the pubs aren't going to open properly then it'll be another miserable year, if we go down the route of a vaccine passport surely then we can at the very least start removing restrictions?
Those vaccinated now, are they registered has having received the jab? A data base wouldn't be that difficult to produce
Vaccine passports are coming, the sooner the better. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-leaders-draw-up-coronavirus-vaccine-passports-to-restart-foreign-travel-2kgtsd503
They were drawn up before the virus even appeared.
That's good news, the bars can facilitate the non vaccinated in the outside space
Quote from: BennyCake on January 16, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
All of 2021 will be similar to 2020. Maybe a couple of weeks here and there for cafes/pubs opening up with distancing/shields etc, only to be closed again.
I think you could be right here, the fact that the vaccine doesn't stop people carrying or spreading Covid will see restrictions continue I think. Testing, tracing, isolating, masks and social distancing could be here for a while I think, obviously if there are less people in hospitals the restrictions may not have to be as severe but I think they will continue to some degree. We then also have the potential large number of people who will refuse the vaccine getting sick and potentially needing hospital treatment. I'll be watching with interest to see how countries deal with the new variants from other countries, they seem to be worried about these new variants. It's all a guessing game at this point, I thought the vaccine would be the end game in all this, I'm not so sure now.
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 16, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
All of 2021 will be similar to 2020. Maybe a couple of weeks here and there for cafes/pubs opening up with distancing/shields etc, only to be closed again.
I think you could be right here, the fact that the vaccine doesn't stop people carrying or spreading Covid will see restrictions continue I think. Testing, tracing, isolating, masks and social distancing could be here for a while I think, obviously if there are less people in hospitals the restrictions may not have to be as severe but I think they will continue to some degree. We then also have the potential large number of people who will refuse the vaccine getting sick and potentially needing hospital treatment. I'll be watching with interest to see how countries deal with the new variants from other countries, they seem to be worried about these new variants. It's all a guessing game at this point, I thought the vaccine would be the end game in all this, I'm not so sure now.
I.think. that by September enough should have been vaccinated for things to.restart
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-every-uk-adult-could-be-vaccinated-by-mid-july-if-these-figures-are-anything-to-go-by-12188909
August/September sounds like a good shout going by this article for things to open up. UK will be a position to offer everyone two doses by mid July based on supply
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 16, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
All of 2021 will be similar to 2020. Maybe a couple of weeks here and there for cafes/pubs opening up with distancing/shields etc, only to be closed again.
I think you could be right here, the fact that the vaccine doesn't stop people carrying or spreading Covid will see restrictions continue I think. Testing, tracing, isolating, masks and social distancing could be here for a while I think, obviously if there are less people in hospitals the restrictions may not have to be as severe but I think they will continue to some degree. We then also have the potential large number of people who will refuse the vaccine getting sick and potentially needing hospital treatment. I'll be watching with interest to see how countries deal with the new variants from other countries, they seem to be worried about these new variants. It's all a guessing game at this point, I thought the vaccine would be the end game in all this, I'm not so sure now.
I.think. that by September enough should have been vaccinated for things to.restart
Agreed Sea. April / May onwards maybe similar to our summer last year and things will slowly open up from then on.
You would like to think that with all the over 70s done by March and the weather improving then things will start to gradually open up. I think people are willing to do this lockdown in January and February but there will be resistance beyond that.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2021, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 16, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
All of 2021 will be similar to 2020. Maybe a couple of weeks here and there for cafes/pubs opening up with distancing/shields etc, only to be closed again.
I think you could be right here, the fact that the vaccine doesn't stop people carrying or spreading Covid will see restrictions continue I think. Testing, tracing, isolating, masks and social distancing could be here for a while I think, obviously if there are less people in hospitals the restrictions may not have to be as severe but I think they will continue to some degree. We then also have the potential large number of people who will refuse the vaccine getting sick and potentially needing hospital treatment. I'll be watching with interest to see how countries deal with the new variants from other countries, they seem to be worried about these new variants. It's all a guessing game at this point, I thought the vaccine would be the end game in all this, I'm not so sure now.
I.think. that by September enough should have been vaccinated for things to.restart
Agreed Sea. April / May onwards maybe similar to our summer last year and things will slowly open up from then on.
Only downside risk is a strain of Covid that is vaccine resistant
Agree with Whitegoodman
Most people are prepared to go into a tough lockdown in January and February but with the vaccine rollout and the better weather and cases likely to be low at the end of February the pressure will come on as to why we are still being locked down
A gradual reopening but things need to start moving by the end of February
It is all a guessing game as someone said. So we seem to have lowered r but needed a fairly stringent lockdown to get there and the case numbers are still very high. The hope is they continue on a downward trajectory but still a bit to go. If they go to a reasonable rate again then the question is what do we open and if we open then do we give time to reassess etc. Schools will need opened properly so the question is how will they impact it and then every other area closed will need assessed.
There's no guarantee on opening up that cases will still be on the way down.
I do believe there is hope but late summer is for me the best I would expect for a reasonable level of normality.
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
I honestly don't know how pubs go back to how they were. Restaurants I could see late in the year.
A lot depends on success of vaccine I guess but even if the logistics of distribution get sorted then it would probably take some time to get confidence back etc.
I would be hoping restaurants get opened before then mind all be it slightly restricted.
If the pubs aren't going to open properly then it'll be another miserable year, if we go down the route of a vaccine passport surely then we can at the very least start removing restrictions?
Those vaccinated now, are they registered has having received the jab? A data base wouldn't be that difficult to produce
What should we do with those who die from the vaccine?
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Casedemics are irrelevant if the Health systems can cope relatively easily and deaths are minimal. Annoying as Angelo has been he's right about there being an acceptable level of death, that will be the Governments' call at some stage because this will not go on for longer than is necessary, I think we'll be forced back into a socially distanced, hand sanitising normality by Summer, I doubt we'll ever return to a pre-covid normal.
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Yeah missed the boat on the New Zealand model because this government is weak as Diarrhea
International travel circulates virus from country to country, why we continue to allow people in will go down as the worst judgement call ever
Getting vaccine next week, can't wait
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Yeah missed the boat on the New Zealand model because this government is weak as Diarrhea
International travel circulates virus from country to country, why we continue to allow people in will go down as the worst judgement call ever
Getting vaccine next week, can't wait
Thought you weren't going to bother Millhouse, I'm alright Jack etc! ;D. In all seriousness, good man MR2. The roll out is going very well in this part of the world. Over 70s and maybe a rung below by mid-Feb?
Quote from: Angelo on January 16, 2021, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 16, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
Is anyone optimistic about a return to any sort of normality sometime this year e.g. restaurants and pubs reopening, crowds at sporting events, theatres, concerts, reduced social distancing etc?
I was more optimistic in December than I am now given the rate of the vaccine rollout. To me, it should be a 24x7 effort until everyone has it, but supplies seem to be preventing any sort of mass nationwide roll out.
I honestly don't know how pubs go back to how they were. Restaurants I could see late in the year.
A lot depends on success of vaccine I guess but even if the logistics of distribution get sorted then it would probably take some time to get confidence back etc.
I would be hoping restaurants get opened before then mind all be it slightly restricted.
If the pubs aren't going to open properly then it'll be another miserable year, if we go down the route of a vaccine passport surely then we can at the very least start removing restrictions?
Those vaccinated now, are they registered has having received the jab? A data base wouldn't be that difficult to produce
What should we do with those who die from the vaccine?
The normal procedure is to bury them. Were you thinking of something else?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Yeah missed the boat on the New Zealand model because this government is weak as Diarrhea
International travel circulates virus from country to country, why we continue to allow people in will go down as the worst judgement call ever
Getting vaccine next week, can't wait
Thought you weren't going to bother Millhouse, I'm alright Jack etc! ;D. In all seriousness, good man MR2. The roll out is going very well in this part of the world. Over 70s and maybe a rung below by mid-Feb?
Im in medical services and front face with the elderly, we've been working as an an essential service, while using all the safety procedures we've been added to the list. So it's a no brainier
Quote from: bennydorano on January 16, 2021, 04:25:45 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Casedemics are irrelevant if the Health systems can cope relatively easily and deaths are minimal. Annoying as Angelo has been he's right about there being an acceptable level of death, that will be the Governments' call at some stage because this will not go on for longer than is necessary, I think we'll be forced back into a socially distanced, hand sanitising normality by Summer, I doubt we'll ever return to a pre-covid normal.
I've heard this from other people and it's an interesting take on things. If everyone is vaccinated then do you not expect the pubs and clubs to be packed next Christmas ? Or the local social club after a championship win? Or everyone dancing at a 300 crowd wedding reception? I'm not saying you are wrong but it be a pretty depressing world if that's the way it turns out.
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 16, 2021, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 16, 2021, 04:25:45 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 16, 2021, 03:48:05 PM
International travel for me will be interesting in the future. Case numbers will increase as we ease restrictions, albeit there will be less people dying and needing hospital care as the vaccine works. The more people get covid, the more chance of variants evolving around the world. I don't think a Vaccine passport will cut it, as travellers although showing no symptoms may still be carrying Covid from country to country. I can see the need for a negative test before travel remaining for quite a while, will these be free or will governments see it as an opportunity to make money? Variants are very much the enemy here, lately we have seen scientists/health officials talking about them a lot more and there is obviously a reason for that. We have missed a huge opportunity at the beginning of this to follow the New Zealand model, will they stay with this model until here immunity is achieved which could be years or will they open up the country again thus allowing the virus back in? Interesting times ahead.
Casedemics are irrelevant if the Health systems can cope relatively easily and deaths are minimal. Annoying as Angelo has been he's right about there being an acceptable level of death, that will be the Governments' call at some stage because this will not go on for longer than is necessary, I think we'll be forced back into a socially distanced, hand sanitising normality by Summer, I doubt we'll ever return to a pre-covid normal.
I've heard this from other people and it's an interesting take on things. If everyone is vaccinated then do you not expect the pubs and clubs to be packed next Christmas ? Or the local social club after a championship win? Or everyone dancing at a 300 crowd wedding reception? I'm not saying you are wrong but it be a pretty depressing world if that's the way it turns out.
Sorry, I do think we will return to relative normality at some stage, but our behaviours & society will have changed forever, but that should be pretty normal in itself with life after a pandemic - lessons learned etc..
Get what you mean now and agree.
Rumour doing the rounds is that Covid vaccine supplies will run out by the end of next week.
Pfizer chiefs are predicting a riot
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Rumour doing the rounds is that Covid vaccine supplies will run out by the end of next week.
Pfizer chiefs are predicting a riot
Link? Any news on Oxford running out?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Rumour doing the rounds is that Covid vaccine supplies will run out by the end of next week.
Pfizer chiefs are predicting a riot
Link? Any news on Oxford running out?
Lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2021, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Rumour doing the rounds is that Covid vaccine supplies will run out by the end of next week.
Pfizer chiefs are predicting a riot
Link? Any news on Oxford running out?
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/018/467/1355331549061.jpg)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84qWb8i_Q_A
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
I'd have doubts about how they could conclude something like that - I just don't see how they'd have data to come to that 3-5 years estimate
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 18, 2021, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
I'd have doubts about how they could conclude something like that - I just don't see how they'd have data to come to that 3-5 years estimate
They studied existing cold coronaviruses that were first cousins of this one. Not a perfect source of data but a reasonable one.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 18, 2021, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 18, 2021, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2021, 01:25:12 AM
There are reports of a US study that suggests the vaccine, or indeed protection from having had the dose, should last 3-5 years.
That would be OK and in 3 years for round 2 they have have a seriously good vaccine.
I'd have doubts about how they could conclude something like that - I just don't see how they'd have data to come to that 3-5 years estimate
They studied existing cold coronaviruses that were first cousins of this one. Not a perfect source of data but a reasonable one.
The same cold coronavirus they could never make a vaccine for because the immunity only lasted a few months? The vaccine they spent 30 years trying and failing to make?
What is going on with the EU and enacting Article 16 of the NI Protocol of the Brexit withdrawal agreement over Vaccines and backdoor entry to the UK? Irish Government not impressed at all by the sounds of it. NI well used to being a political football, surprised the altruistic EU has joined in.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355253347859787778?s=19
Quote from: bennydorano on January 29, 2021, 09:10:00 PM
What is going on with the EU and enacting Article 16 of the NI Protocol of the Brexit withdrawal agreement over Vaccines and backdoor entry to the UK? Irish Government not impressed at all by the sounds of it. NI well used to being a political football, surprised the altruistic EU has joined in.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355253347859787778?s=19
They've totally fucked their vaccine rollout and now their scrambling around in the dark... even Macron's outburst about the AZ vaccine is madness.
They've lost the plot on this one big time it could have massive repercussions especially for North/South relations!
They're taking it back... Martin must have been on the phone blowing a gasket all evening what a disaster!
I'm with the EU, anyway Nordies feed well on being betrayed and "incredible act of hostility".
Quote from: screenexile on January 29, 2021, 09:51:50 PM
They're taking it back... Martin must have been on the phone blowing a gasket all evening what a disaster!
Large redners all round
Would it really have mattered? The north get all their vaccines from England anyway. Its more the symbolism of it. In reality it would have changed very very little.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 29, 2021, 11:09:06 PM
Would it really have mattered? The north get all their vaccines from England anyway. Its more the symbolism of it. In reality it would have changed very very little.
Probably not. I think it's the unexpected cavalier EU attitude to the NI Protocol that is the real issue. Sounds like the Irish Government were as blindsided as anyone.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2021, 01:36:39 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84qWb8i_Q_A
Cac bó ar bharr ardáin.
Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622
More good news.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 02, 2021, 01:35:52 PM
Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622
More good news.
Has been linked to people developing communist tendencies with 2-3 weeks of getting it.
What sort of supply does the UK have in vaccines at present and is it expected to ramp up significantly after March?
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
What sort of supply does the UK have in vaccines at present and is it expected to ramp up significantly after March?
10M doses administered as of today, the UK doesn't publish what stocks they have
The AZ and Pfizer deliveries should continue at least at the current pace.
Moderna are to deliver 7M doses at beginning of April, so there should be an increase in the rate, with a third supplier onboard
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 02, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 02, 2021, 01:35:52 PM
Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622
More good news.
Has been linked to people developing communist tendencies with 2-3 weeks of getting it.
We can deal with that in a bar in a good old fashioned yarn once they jab everyone first. No problems.
Quote from: God14 on February 02, 2021, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 02, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
What sort of supply does the UK have in vaccines at present and is it expected to ramp up significantly after March?
10M doses administered as of today, the UK doesn't publish what stocks they have
The AZ and Pfizer deliveries should continue at least at the current pace.
Moderna are to deliver 7M doses at beginning of April, so there should be an increase in the rate, with a third supplier onboard
You're talking roughly about 1.5m of an adult population in the O6? Around 70% is the target (?) so you're probably looking at about 2m jabs needing to be administered before we will see any sort of significant easing of restrictions.
If we look at Israel now, country of 9m - so say adult population of 7m. You're probably looking at we'll day 80% uptake so we will put it to 11m jabs needed to vaccinate 80% of the adult population. They will probably be quite close to that figure by mid March of having the required amount of the adult population fully vaccinated so if it has been a success by mid April, Covid cases should be more or less in the low teens and no impact on the health sector at all.
It's make or break time really.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on February 02, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 02, 2021, 01:35:52 PM
Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900622
More good news.
Has been linked to people developing communist tendencies with 2-3 weeks of getting it.
The first dose makes you vote for SF and two doses, 21 days apart, gives you the full on PBP.
https://www.ft.com/content/595e4958-55e7-45ae-87ed-faa7f08c1c98
The more transmissible B.1.1.7 coronavirus variant that has come to dominate in the UK is evolving further mutations, which scientists say will make existing vaccines less effective at preventing infection
J&J (Janssen) vaccine submitted to EMA for approval. They've had a rolling review, so shouldn't take too long to approve.
The question is what is the production capacity?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 16, 2021, 04:14:10 PM
J&J (Janssen) vaccine submitted to EMA for approval. They've had a rolling review, so shouldn't take too long to approve.
The question is what is the production capacity?
I see they expecting approval (if granted) mid March.
As a single shot, it would make huge difference but no idea what rollout will be on manufacturing side.
ROI has 2m shots ordered.
Be a massive shot in the arm if this approved and received in large Qtys come end of March.
Is it the one that requires just one dose and provides around 70% protection? It would be a game changer in terms of numbers but depends of quantity available as you say.
Is it only in Europe that they have applied for approval ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56069577 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56069577)
The Cubans never let a US embargo bother them...
Quote from: johnnycool on February 16, 2021, 04:46:30 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56069577 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56069577)
The Cubans never let a US embargo bother them...
That will drive the Russophobes demented.
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 16, 2021, 04:26:10 PM
Is it the one that requires just one dose and provides around 70% protection? It would be a game changer in terms of numbers but depends of quantity available as you say.
Is it only in Europe that they have applied for approval ?
They had already applied to the FDA in the US. Not sure about the UK.
J and J haven't applied in the UK. 70% effective over all. 100% effective for serious illness and keeping people out of hospital. This really could be the game changer.
Quote from: South Laois man on February 16, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
J and J haven't applied in the UK. 70% effective over all. 100% effective for serious illness and keeping people out of hospital. This really could be the game changer.
The Janssen vaccine is also currently in a rolling review with the UKs MHRA. The Brits have ordered 30M doses, with options for more. Novavax vaccine is also currently in a rolling review, so it seems like a matter of which of the two will be approved first
My money is on Novavax as its to be manufactured in England
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0219/1198121-coronavirus-vaccine/
Reported from Israel that the Pfizer vaccine is 85% effective 4 weeks after one dose, which is pretty good news. Perhaps in Ireland we should only be giving one dose once we get past the most vulnerable groups and then give a second dose as a booster in the Autumn when the vaccine has been tuned to the new variants?
Also Pfizer now believe that the vaccine can be stored for two weeks at -20C, which is readily available in pharmacies etc, so making it easier to distribute. So you keep it in the -70C centrally and the send it to the pharmacy who have 10 days to inject it into people.
There has been delays, but vaccination is going to get going big time shortly.
7 weeks in and numbers still high but going in the right direction, but WTF are people doing that is making these numbers still high for a 7 week period of lockdown?
We even had the cops call to the street this week and gave out fines. Not sure who touted but the lad in question went round a few houses to get the snitch!
But I'd have thought the same family would be supporting the lockdown measures, so you just don't know!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
7 weeks in and numbers still high but going in the right direction, but WTF are people doing that is making these numbers still high for a 7 week period of lockdown?
We even had the cops call to the street this week and gave out fines. Not sure who touted but the lad in question went round a few houses to get the snitch!
But I'd have thought the same family would be supporting the lockdown measures, so you just don't know!
The numbers are now the same north and south and are declining slowly.
I don't know about the north, but in the south the usual suspects of meat plants and students contributed quite a few cases lately. A lot of people are either ignoring the rules or taking chances.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
7 weeks in and numbers still high but going in the right direction, but WTF are people doing that is making these numbers still high for a 7 week period of lockdown?
We even had the cops call to the street this week and gave out fines. Not sure who touted but the lad in question went round a few houses to get the snitch!
But I'd have thought the same family would be supporting the lockdown measures, so you just don't know!
Maybe you are a bit of a slow learner but good to see you finally realise Lockdowns do not work.
Quote from: Angelo on February 19, 2021, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
7 weeks in and numbers still high but going in the right direction, but WTF are people doing that is making these numbers still high for a 7 week period of lockdown?
We even had the cops call to the street this week and gave out fines. Not sure who touted but the lad in question went round a few houses to get the snitch!
But I'd have thought the same family would be supporting the lockdown measures, so you just don't know!
Maybe you are a bit of a slow learner but good to see you finally realise Lockdowns do not work.
No I think it's arseholes running around thinking it's a hoax and that's it seasonal and those images of ICU beds are fake news.... do you know any of those cockheads?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 06:17:09 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0219/1198121-coronavirus-vaccine/
Reported from Israel that the Pfizer vaccine is 85% effective 4 weeks after one dose, which is pretty good news. Perhaps in Ireland we should only be giving one dose once we get past the most vulnerable groups and then give a second dose as a booster in the Autumn when the vaccine has been tuned to the new variants?
Also Pfizer now believe that the vaccine can be stored for two weeks at -20C, which is readily available in pharmacies etc, so making it easier to distribute. So you keep it in the -70C centrally and the send it to the pharmacy who have 10 days to inject it into people.
There has been delays, but vaccination is going to get going big time shortly.
Reading today it's not great with the South African variant, that's it & Oxford both, not such good news if it became the dominant strain. It would explain why the UK Government have being going hard to stomp that particular variant out.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 19, 2021, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 06:17:09 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0219/1198121-coronavirus-vaccine/
Reported from Israel that the Pfizer vaccine is 85% effective 4 weeks after one dose, which is pretty good news. Perhaps in Ireland we should only be giving one dose once we get past the most vulnerable groups and then give a second dose as a booster in the Autumn when the vaccine has been tuned to the new variants?
Also Pfizer now believe that the vaccine can be stored for two weeks at -20C, which is readily available in pharmacies etc, so making it easier to distribute. So you keep it in the -70C centrally and the send it to the pharmacy who have 10 days to inject it into people.
There has been delays, but vaccination is going to get going big time shortly.
Reading today it's not great with the South African variant, that's it & Oxford both, not such good news if it became the dominant strain. It would explain why the UK Government have being going hard to stomp that particular variant out.
The "British" variant is more infectious and slightly more dangerous and it is the variant getting around, the South African one is more dangerous but fortunately not more infectious than the original. The problem is that if the SA variant is different enough to reinfect people with the British variant then it could still come around it is not stamped out.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 19, 2021, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
7 weeks in and numbers still high but going in the right direction, but WTF are people doing that is making these numbers still high for a 7 week period of lockdown?
We even had the cops call to the street this week and gave out fines. Not sure who touted but the lad in question went round a few houses to get the snitch!
But I'd have thought the same family would be supporting the lockdown measures, so you just don't know!
Maybe you are a bit of a slow learner but good to see you finally realise Lockdowns do not work.
No I think it's arseholes running around thinking it's a hoax and that's it seasonal and those images of ICU beds are fake news.... do you know any of those cockheads?
Who thinks it's a hoax?
Sadly, a right few don't believe it is all that bad a virus. Those numbers are growing.
Quote from: Angelo on February 19, 2021, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 19, 2021, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
7 weeks in and numbers still high but going in the right direction, but WTF are people doing that is making these numbers still high for a 7 week period of lockdown?
We even had the cops call to the street this week and gave out fines. Not sure who touted but the lad in question went round a few houses to get the snitch!
But I'd have thought the same family would be supporting the lockdown measures, so you just don't know!
Maybe you are a bit of a slow learner but good to see you finally realise Lockdowns do not work.
No I think it's arseholes running around thinking it's a hoax and that's it seasonal and those images of ICU beds are fake news.... do you know any of those cockheads?
Who thinks it's a hoax?
Plenty of balloons.
Quote from: ONeill on February 19, 2021, 09:26:44 PM
Sadly, a right few don't believe it is all that bad a virus. Those numbers are growing.
It's a bad virus if you have underlying conditions or are elderly.
Outside of that the data says it is not a threat on your life.
Quote from: Angelo on February 19, 2021, 09:31:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 19, 2021, 09:26:44 PM
Sadly, a right few don't believe it is all that bad a virus. Those numbers are growing.
It's a bad virus if you have underlying conditions or are elderly.
Outside of that the data says it is not a threat on your life.
That's not really true though. My wife is a nurse and works in the Nightingale when called upon. Although, as you say, the deaths are mostly those with underlying conditions, she has looked after many, many very sick 40-60 year olds who had none. Most survived. But only for the best medical provisions they were goners.
Johnson & Johnson vaccine 'highly effective' against severe Covid, 85% against severe Covid with one vaccination, a bit less in preventing mild symptoms.
There were no reported deaths in the vaccine group, but five in the placebo group.
It will likely be approved in the US this week and in the EU not long after.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0224/1199099-vaccines-johnson-and-johnson/
Also French researchers have devised a test using camel antibodies that is nearly as accurate as lab tests and takes 10 minutes.
This kind of development would be very helpful also as anyone visiting a nursing home or the like could be tested or even going into Croke Pk.
Has the Roll out going in New York?
I see they are opening bars/restaurants to 35% capacity
Looking to go end October