Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[dublin7]

Shinner Bots on twitter are embarrassing. They have more people/presence on social media than any other political party.

Unfortunately that means when any of the government TDs screws up they are slaughtered by SF people on twitter and if any SF TD is called out for idiotic comments like Brian Shanley by someone then he/she is accused of bullying/racism or any other idiotic excuse by the Shinnerbots

[red hander]

Shinner Bots on twitter are embarrassing. They have more people/presence on social media than any other political party.

Unfortunately that means when any of the government TDs screws up they are slaughtered by SF people on twitter and if any SF TD is called out for idiotic comments like Brian Shanley by someone then he/she is accused of bullying/racism or any other idiotic excuse by the Shinnerbots

Shinnerbots? What's it like living up Ruth Dudley Edwards', Eoghan Harris' and Eilis O Hanlon's hole?  Must be dark, depressing place. Have you ever read Sindo and Indo you clown?

[dublin7]

Shinner Bots on twitter are embarrassing. They have more people/presence on social media than any other political party.

Unfortunately that means when any of the government TDs screws up they are slaughtered by SF people on twitter and if any SF TD is called out for idiotic comments like Brian Shanley by someone then he/she is accused of bullying/racism or any other idiotic excuse by the Shinnerbots

Shinnerbots? What's it like living up Ruth Dudley Edwards', Eoghan Harris' and Eilis O Hanlon's hole?  Must be dark, depressing place. Have you ever read Sindo and Indo you clown?

What has my post got anything to do with the idiots you quoted? You are the perfect example of the SF clowns abusing people on Twitter. Attack, attack attack and actual facts or the truth is irrelevant. I see Brian Shanley's wife is now tweeting on behalf of her husband. Just embarrassing to think a bigoted individual like Brian Shanley is an elected TD in this country.

Also before you call me some FF/FG drone their TDs and members have issues as well.

[sid waddell]

Don't know how you can say his tweet wasn't homophobic. He clearly made an allusion to Varadkers sexuality by mentioning his bedroom antics.

To say now he was advocating gay rights in that tweet is a blatant lie. Right up there with Barry Mc Elduff telling he does all his shopping by balancing it on his head.

Did he? I don't think so

What it looked like to me was that he was referencing Fine Gael adopting a liberal social agenda to mask what Stanley perceives as a poor record on workers' rights, workers' pay etc.

Being in favour of same sex marriage, repealing the 8th Amendment, gender recognition etc., while being good things in and of themselves, and which they do deserve an amount of credit for (though the people who deserve by far the most credit are the tireless grass roots campaigners who pushed these issues relentlessly) do not airbrush Fine Gael's record on bread and butter issues

[red hander]

Shinner Bots on twitter are embarrassing. They have more people/presence on social media than any other political party.

Unfortunately that means when any of the government TDs screws up they are slaughtered by SF people on twitter and if any SF TD is called out for idiotic comments like Brian Shanley by someone then he/she is accused of bullying/racism or any other idiotic excuse by the Shinnerbots

Shinnerbots? What's it like living up Ruth Dudley Edwards', Eoghan Harris' and Eilis O Hanlon's hole?  Must be dark, depressing place. Have you ever read Sindo and Indo you clown?

What has my post got anything to do with the idiots you quoted? You are the perfect example of the SF clowns abusing people on Twitter. Attack, attack attack and actual facts or the truth is irrelevant. I see Brian Shanley's wife is now tweeting on behalf of her husband. Just embarrassing to think a bigoted individual like Brian Shanley is an elected TD in this country.

Also before you call me some FF/FG drone their TDs and members have issues as well.

I haven't voted Sinn Fein in 20  years. I'm abusing you as a republican. You fall for shit from pathetic Irish press. Anyone criticises West Brit traitor sc**bag columnist detritus employed by same press automatically labelled Shinnerbot to close down criticism. You can just see Establishment in South absolutely shitting themselves over rise of Shinners, they will do anything to stop them, mainly criticising operations of IRA in North, despite fact Free State and now Republic you live in was won using exact same tactics. Hypocrites all.

[RedHand88]

Shinner Bots on twitter are embarrassing. They have more people/presence on social media than any other political party.

Unfortunately that means when any of the government TDs screws up they are slaughtered by SF people on twitter and if any SF TD is called out for idiotic comments like Brian Shanley by someone then he/she is accused of bullying/racism or any other idiotic excuse by the Shinnerbots

They also garner more votes than any other party in Ireland, you ever think that might be the reason???

[LCohen]

Don't know how you can say his tweet wasn't homophobic. He clearly made an allusion to Varadkers sexuality by mentioning his bedroom antics.

To say now he was advocating gay rights in that tweet is a blatant lie. Right up there with Barry Mc Elduff telling he does all his shopping by balancing it on his head.

Did he? I don't think so

What it looked like to me was that he was referencing Fine Gael adopting a liberal social agenda to mask what Stanley perceives as a poor record on workers' rights, workers' pay etc.

Being in favour of same sex marriage, repealing the 8th Amendment, gender recognition etc., while being good things in and of themselves, and which they do deserve an amount of credit for (though the people who deserve by far the most credit are the tireless grass roots campaigners who pushed these issues relentlessly) do not airbrush Fine Gael's record on bread and butter issues

Absolutely. We should all stand resolutely against any attempt to airbrush the past of any party

[LCohen]

Poor oul Stanley being thrown under the Maryloo bus?

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1204/1182305-brian-stanley-tweet/

Warning signs were there few years back with his homophobic tweet about Varadkar. Another loose cannon

Varadkar tweet was outta order, even though it related to a Blue Shirt w**ker. But nothing whatsoever wrong with tweet about Kilmichael and Warrenpoint. Irony is, if SAS 'hero' Blair Mayne (a  bone fide war criminal) had carried out those magnificent ambushes, we'd never hear the end of them from unionists.f**k em.

Incredible stuff there

You don't think the Narrow Water tweet might have been a shade insensitive?

You describe Narrow Water as "magnificent". Put some flesh on the bones there.

I know something of Paddy Mayne but not enough to say he was or was not a war criminal. Would be genuinely interested in any link

Can I just confirm that the freedom to venerate other incidents from the troubles is something you extend to everyone? It's not a freedom I will be taking up personally but others might

[Sportacus]

Poor oul Stanley being thrown under the Maryloo bus?

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1204/1182305-brian-stanley-tweet/

Warning signs were there few years back with his homophobic tweet about Varadkar. Another loose cannon

Varadkar tweet was outta order, even though it related to a Blue Shirt w**ker. But nothing whatsoever wrong with tweet about Kilmichael and Warrenpoint. Irony is, if SAS 'hero' Blair Mayne (a  bone fide war criminal) had carried out those magnificent ambushes, we'd never hear the end of them from unionists.f**k em.

Incredible stuff there

You don't think the Narrow Water tweet might have been a shade insensitive?

You describe Narrow Water as "magnificent". Put some flesh on the bones there.

I know something of Paddy Mayne but not enough to say he was or was not a war criminal. Would be genuinely interested in any link

Can I just confirm that the freedom to venerate other incidents from the troubles is something you extend to everyone? It's not a freedom I will be taking up personally but others might

"Magnificent" - wow. Are you 16 and don't understand the horror that it was.

[trileacman]

The driver of one of the army lorries was a 19 year old kid. The only thing left of him after the first bomb was his pelvis welded to the seat by heat of the bomb. The 2nd bomb killed a British colonel. No body parts of his could be identified, the only markers that he was dead where the bits of his colonels uniform found in the debris.

Nothing about narrow water was magnificent.

[Saffrongael]

The driver of one of the army lorries was a 19 year old kid. The only thing left of him after the first bomb was his pelvis welded to the seat by heat of the bomb. The 2nd bomb killed a British colonel. No body parts of his could be identified, the only markers that he was dead where the bits of his colonels uniform found in the debris.

Nothing about narrow water was magnificent.

Unless you are an internet tough guy

[dublin7]

The driver of one of the army lorries was a 19 year old kid. The only thing left of him after the first bomb was his pelvis welded to the seat by heat of the bomb. The 2nd bomb killed a British colonel. No body parts of his could be identified, the only markers that he was dead where the bits of his colonels uniform found in the debris.

Nothing about narrow water was magnificent.

Unless you are an internet tough guy

Shame on the rest of us for not being proud nationalists and acknowledging the "magnificent" events

[sid waddell]

Don't know how you can say his tweet wasn't homophobic. He clearly made an allusion to Varadkers sexuality by mentioning his bedroom antics.

To say now he was advocating gay rights in that tweet is a blatant lie. Right up there with Barry Mc Elduff telling he does all his shopping by balancing it on his head.

Did he? I don't think so

What it looked like to me was that he was referencing Fine Gael adopting a liberal social agenda to mask what Stanley perceives as a poor record on workers' rights, workers' pay etc.

Being in favour of same sex marriage, repealing the 8th Amendment, gender recognition etc., while being good things in and of themselves, and which they do deserve an amount of credit for (though the people who deserve by far the most credit are the tireless grass roots campaigners who pushed these issues relentlessly) do not airbrush Fine Gael's record on bread and butter issues

Absolutely. We should all stand resolutely against any attempt to airbrush the past of any party

Well Sinn Fein have existential questions they need to answer

Is it an overarching requirement (if not in written rule, then in clear unspoken terms) of Sinn Fein members to believe that the Provisional IRA campaign of 1969-1997 was, on the whole, at least broadly justified?

Where, for Sinn Fein as a party, do the lines get drawn between Provisional IRA actions between 1969 and 1997 that should be justified, could be justified, cannot be justified - and ones that should be outright condemned? Where do the lines get drawn on post July 19th, 1997 actions, or at least post April 10th, 1998 actions?

If it's not a requirement of Sinn Fein membership to believe that the IRA campaign of 1969 to 1997 was at least broadly justified, was it ever a requirement? And if it was ever a requirement, when did it stop being a requirement to believe such?

Can you be a member of Sinn Fein now and believe that the Provisional IRA campaign of 1969-1997 was not at all justified?

Can you believe that, say, the SDLP's approach in the years 1969-1997 was the correct one - not the IRA's - and be a member of Sinn Fein now?

If so, how long exactly has that been the case? Was it always the case? Or is it, still, in 2020, a disbarring belief?

If, say, you held similar views on violence in the North since 1969 to those of Neale Richmond or John Bruton but on all other issues had politics more similar to that of Ruth Coppinger or Richard Boyd Barrett, could you be a member of Sinn Fein?

[Angelo]

The driver of one of the army lorries was a 19 year old kid. The only thing left of him after the first bomb was his pelvis welded to the seat by heat of the bomb. The 2nd bomb killed a British colonel. No body parts of his could be identified, the only markers that he was dead where the bits of his colonels uniform found in the debris.

Nothing about narrow water was magnificent.

It was war though.

Nationalists in the O6 didn't just wake up and decide to start blowing Brits up one morning. There were many reasons behind that. The Free State establishment who engage in the most vitriolic anti-nationalist propaganda seem to have amnesia about the legacy of the history they celebrate, the revered men they regard as statesmen and the acts they committed.

Kilmichael and Warrenpoint were eerily similar. Both mass atrocities committed against British military due to the foreign occupation and societal oppression that nationalists found themselves living in.

But the FS establishment continue to try and airbrush Irish history. Murder pre 1923 - good, murder post 1923 - very bad.

[trileacman]

The driver of one of the army lorries was a 19 year old kid. The only thing left of him after the first bomb was his pelvis welded to the seat by heat of the bomb. The 2nd bomb killed a British colonel. No body parts of his could be identified, the only markers that he was dead where the bits of his colonels uniform found in the debris.

Nothing about narrow water was magnificent.

It was war though.

Nationalists in the O6 didn't just wake up and decide to start blowing Brits up one morning. There were many reasons behind that. The Free State establishment who engage in the most vitriolic anti-nationalist propaganda seem to have amnesia about the legacy of the history they celebrate, the revered men they regard as statesmen and the acts they committed.

Kilmichael and Warrenpoint were eerily similar. Both mass atrocities committed against British military due to the foreign occupation and societal oppression that nationalists found themselves living in.

But the FS establishment continue to try and airbrush Irish history. Murder pre 1923 - good, murder post 1923 - very bad.

We're not arguing about whether it was a war or not. We're arguing about whether the narrow water bombing was magnificent as Stanley seems to think.