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No need for star of the week. Just make it fun and make sure every kid hears their name said at least once in an encouraging way.

I find the underage girls coaching is a good environment for bringing a whole team of varied abilities along. There's definitely more testosterone flying around with underage boys coaching and a lot of giving out/whinging by coaches on the sideline. Way more constant shouting from the sidelines than I remember when I was underage. Sometimes I lstop any shouting, even encouragement for five minutes to see how they fair out and they seem to bring their own intensity for that period.  Every game is competitive by nature but we should avoid parading youth teams as competition winners, blitz winners-it's no good. There are some cracking youth players who need to know how to use their team mates, whose team mates need to feel like they are part of the team, no matter what the ability. It's amazing what a small spark of confidence can grow into.  Is it true that they don't keep the score in underage italian soccer?

People do realize that Jack Glynn has a suspected broken jaw? Burns may with that one action have ended the lads full summer. How on earth can there not be a punishment for it?

Everyone loves the big fair shoulder to shoulder hit. But it's been fairly clear for years now that if you dont time and make the connection perfectly accurately, you're going to be off

I'm not a fan of the big 'hit' if it's dangerous and Burns has sailed close before, like the Kerry semi 2021. If that was mis-timed it would be dangerous but it wasn't and was deemed a good hit. Tom Cuniffe breaking Harte's collar bone 2013, also a good 'hit'. Should be consistent straight reds for these and ref should be assisted by tv replay.

Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.

Cue the gaslight brigade.  Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.

I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.

I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.

You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.

If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.

No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.

https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.

I'm referring to "only reason Tyrone lost was the ref." comment. Nobody said that or implied it.  I truly believe that Galway would have won this 15 on 15. But, rightfully or wrongfully to me Gough did us no favours there with a good few other decisions. You seem to be counterwhinging the perceived whinge.

Counterwhinging, gaslighting. Anymore word nonsense you want to bring to the party?

Word-nonsense

Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.

Cue the gaslight brigade.  Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.

I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.

I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.

You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.

If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.

No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.

https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.

I'm referring to "only reason Tyrone lost was the ref." comment. Nobody said that or implied it.  I truly believe that Galway would have won this 15 on 15. But, rightfully or wrongfully to me Gough did us no favours there with a good few other decisions. You seem to be counterwhinging the perceived whinge.

[but if allegations are made of a violent or sexual nature]

Very surprised with your take on this.

My take is fairly simple. NG has been badly failed by social services and her legal representation* - not the Derry county board.

Some of the expectations on the Derry CB "investigations" of matters in this thread are wholly ludicrous.


*my natural dislike of the legal system is also probably shining through; barristers are quick enough to rake all other professions over the coals in court inquests with the benefit of hindsight and an assumption of infinite resources - so IMO what is good for the goose - how the f**k are family law practitioners not expected to identify the signs of an raise concerns with the investigating authorities in divorce/child custody cases? If there are already such expectations, will there be any action taken against NG's representatives?

**teachers are educators, yet are expected to pick up on and raise child abuse concerns.

Probably should jump in here and defend my colleagues.  Not only is that a vast generalisation it also displays an ignorance of the legal system.  Mistakes can and do happen and on that basis I have been very keen not to make any comment on this case because I wasn't involved.  There are important general things that have to be remembered though.

Firstly and most importantly family courts are private and therefore it is impossible to know what was and what was not raised in any case but if allegations are made of a violent or sexual nature the court must conduct what is called a Re L hearing.  That is a hearing to determine the truth of any allegation.  That is done to the civil standard which is much lower than the criminal standard and involves a detailed and thorough investigation.

Social services will be involved and will investigate.  They are notoriously conservative and will take very seriously any allegations of domestic abuse.  Guardian Ad Litems will be appointed, they are specifically trained to speak to any children involved and to rely the views of those children through separate lawyers appointed by the Guardians.

Grandparents or other family members are also often separately represented.

The court will hear evidence and come to a conclusion.  The test for them is not whether one parent is more suitable than the other its to determine whether either parent is suitable.  These cases are usually protracted and are very thorough.

The point I am making is that we have no idea what happened in this family case and its therefore very unfair to criticise or worse lambast the whole professional

It's a nice big answer, but doesn't actually address the concern I've raised. Well, I suppose it partially might, as you say, its all private, so maybe allegations were made, but if that were the case, would custody decisions not have been paused pending completion of judgement on abuse investigations?

If teachers (who, lets not forget, have a primary role of educating) are expected to be able to identify and raise cases of child abuse, solicitors and barristers who spend their time practicing family law (i.e. their primary role is dealing with relationships in difficulties) should have the exact same expectation of being able to identify and raise instances of abuse. Indeed, one would think the solicitors and barristers working with abuse victims would be much closer to their core role than teachers.

The requirement of the system to only kick in "if allegations are made" is, IMO, either a complete abdication of responsibility or a failure of the system to assign responsibility to both social workers and law practitioners to protect victims who are afraid to make the allegations.

Is it right that any professional whose client highlights abuse becomes a mandated person and is bound by law to report to the relevant authority?

 I thought Meyler was excellent yesterday-covers some ground and picked up a lovely point.

Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.

Cue the gaslight brigade.  Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.

[Tyrone in general seem to have a discipline issue.]

Morgan a mouth, I seen men getting yellow carded and stimes send of yrs ago, before a black card existing for choice words to a ref. Tyrone in general seem to have a discipline issue. Not sure why there any discussion on Burns card, it was so obvious a red. Only thing I say is that there was a bad tackle in the Donegal, Clare game were McFadden should seen the line.

That's a lazy narrative and was also peddled by the commentators yesterday. Several late, high challenges, drag-backs,etc. by Galway yesterday that nearly lost them the game yet Tyrone are indisciplined. Tyrone did well not to react. 1st free to GalwY after the 2nd half throw in against Kilpatrick was an absolute joke. It's bad when you are trying to avoid teams in the knockout stages but Tyrone will also be keeping an eye on the man in black.

Tyrone giving out about Gough is some laugh. McCurry scored 4 frees from the exact same position in the second half. One of the four was a foul

Aside from that, a poor Galway performance. Only Conroy and Sweeney excelled. Mountains to work on

No Galway players giving out about these. They were happy to concede frees to avoid goal chances. Probably a good enough call by the Galway players. But they got away with a lot in the first half. Definite free not given after goal chance near the end. Galway's tackle discipline was poor. Tyrone's pretty good bar Burns' clatter. Even enough teams.

Tyrone did well there. They had the high press working well near the end and I'd say there were a few soiled Galway pants come full time. Wasn't impressed with Galway at all. A lot of dodgy tackles and cynicism (Gough assisted)when they could have been out the gap had they stuck to their game. And they were goal shy when that's Tyrone's weak spot. Don't see all-irelands coming to either team but Tyrone have a serious bench if they can get them up to speed in the next few games.

There was rumour of a feisty challenge game v Mayo recently has anybody heard anything else about this??

I think Rouse mentioned it on the Examiner podcast.

Heard Mayo gave Tyrone a bit of trimming and Tyrone didn't take it too kindly with rows breaking out on a number of occasions.

Also heard Kildare gave a full strength Mayo a going over. Gaago should be showing these challenge matches. Do all teams do them?are they built on relationships of management teams?

As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life

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Fair play to you. A true gael.

I have seen people who have played the system like a flute when allegations of abuse were presented against them. If you really want to expose abuse like this you have to be prepared to lose everything, including the case as the system is set up to look for holes in the complaint. One wrong word, one wrong detail , a factor like booze thrown in and you will get shot down.

The further you read into it, the more questions arise.  If true, then he's a monster.  If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.

One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places. 
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done? 

The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious,  which would mean a whole other response emotionally.  My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that.  Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.

That's what I was getting at too. Not hard for rumours to get about online yet this never appeared. As for mods banning etc., what's the difference in what's happened since yesterday i.e. serious unfounded allegations on this board and others.

Modern Irish society is a stomping ground for oppressors.  It is entirely believable that this happens a lot as we are great ones for not rocking the boat. I see it in the GAA, schools, work. Paper over it and it will settle down.  Or make it so difficult to address issues that people give up. It is not popular to be the one to call out abuse, people find it unnerving and part of them wants to blame the complainant because they can't process it. Even if in  the very remote chance that this isn't true, Derry and the Gaa should have come out immediately and made a statement on their stance on domestic abuse and stand down the accused until it is cleared up.