CPA (Club Players Association)

Started by ck, October 18, 2016, 12:02:38 AM

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Rossfan

Has the "Special Congress" idea of previous years been abandoned?
I seem to recall a few to discuss hurley stuff championship structures.
Can the same not be done for football?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

whiskeysteve

I have seen posters on here call for the abolition of replays as a measure to ease fixture congestion.

I would agree with this and further suggest that as means of deciding games still drawn at the end of extra time, that quite simply the last team to have scored is deemed the victor. No penalties nor special rules and there would be great excitement in teams having to push on for a 2 point lead to give them any margin at all.
Somewhere, somehow, someone's going to pay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w

Dubhaltach

While Kieran Shannon's 'bigger, better picture' is laudable, it's not based in any practical reality. If a simple motion to push the All-Ireland finals back 2 weeks couldn't get through congress last year, how does he expect a radical 2020 vision to come even close? The current proposals free up the month of September for club and gives us more meaningful matches in August, played in under-used provincial venues. It's as good as we'll get for now.

Jinxy

#243
Brian Cody slams 'crazy' inter-county calendar and throws his weight behind CPA proposals


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/brian-cody-slams-crazy-intercounty-calendar-and-throws-his-weight-behind-cpa-proposals-35399102.html

Other than Andy McEntee, have any intercounty football managers had much to say about the club/county fixtures issue?
If you were any use you'd be playing.

five points

Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
If the clubs actually had a will to fulfil fixtures all summer long, a will "to get on with it", then much of the current malaise would go away.

Nail on head.

Lar Naparka

Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2017, 09:41:20 AM
Brian Cody slams 'crazy' inter-county calendar and throws his weight behind CPA proposals

twitter.com/UCDMedicine?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Other than Andy McEntee, have any intercounty football managers had much to say about the club/county fixtures issue?
Are you sure you posted the correct link?
What has Brian Cody got to do with UCD medicine?
Leastways, I can't find any reference to him on that page.
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Croí na hÉireann

Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 26, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2017, 09:41:20 AM
Brian Cody slams 'crazy' inter-county calendar and throws his weight behind CPA proposals

twitter.com/UCDMedicine?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Other than Andy McEntee, have any intercounty football managers had much to say about the club/county fixtures issue?
Are you sure you posted the correct link?
What has Brian Cody got to do with UCD medicine?
Leastways, I can't find any reference to him on that page.

That's where Kilkenny have the ability to kick a football genetically modified out of them.
Westmeath - Home of the Christy Ring Cup...

munchkin

Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 26, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Are you sure you posted the correct link? 
heres that article
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/brian-cody-slams-crazy-intercounty-calendar-and-throws-his-weight-behind-cpa-proposals-35399102.html

theres another interesting article today on the matter of championship structures
Ciarán Murphy: 'Forgotten' hurling should take lead from football revamp

Quote
Hurling is being forgotten about. In all the talk of a radical revamp of the football championship, hurling is being treated as the poor relation. And this is not an isolated incident. There is a belief among hurling folk that Croke Park is run by football men, with the beautiful game being treated as an after-thought.
There will be 15 games left in the football championship once the provincial and qualifier series are finished, if the round-robin system replaces the quarter-finals as proposed. There will be just five in hurling. That seems pretty lopsided, and it is.
<snip>
The reality is that there are a finite number of teams competing in the hurling championship. It took seven weeks to run off the Munster championship (a knockout tournament) with five teams competing in it last year. It might be nice to ensure a spread of hurling games across the summer, but you can't really spread your games any thinner than that.
The GAA have seen that the top teams in football don't play each other enough at the business end of the championship. The system that goes before congress next month seeks to redress that balance.
In 2007, the hurling development committee lobbied for a proposal at congress that effectively meant teams often only need to win just four games to win the hurling All-Ireland, as has happened in four of the nine championships since.
The decision to reduce by half the number of quarter-finals was not one foisted on hurling people by a football-centric Croke Park. It was recommended by a committee made up of hurling men of unimpeachable standard, and chaired by Ned Quinn, the godfather of Kilkenny hurling. That decision was made in good faith, but it was the wrong decision.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-forgotten-hurling-should-take-lead-from-football-revamp-1.2951158

Avondhu star

Quote from: five points on January 26, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
If the clubs actually had a will to fulfil fixtures all summer long, a will "to get on with it", then much of the current malaise would go away.

Nail on head.
Absolutely. Let the county boards tell the clubs play or forfeit. Tell county managers that they are not going to postpone games to suit him and disrupt everyone else.
We have the situation where clubs are playing vital promotion and relegation playoffs in late November and early December. The players and supporters would far prefer games in good weather on a Saturday evening, Sunday or a midweek evening if suitable.
Every club has a delegate to the Divisional board and County board. Let them do their job in the clubs interest
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Jinxy

Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 26, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2017, 09:41:20 AM
Brian Cody slams 'crazy' inter-county calendar and throws his weight behind CPA proposals

twitter.com/UCDMedicine?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Other than Andy McEntee, have any intercounty football managers had much to say about the club/county fixtures issue?
Are you sure you posted the correct link?
What has Brian Cody got to do with UCD medicine?
Leastways, I can't find any reference to him on that page.

Fixed now.
I've had some coffee.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

magpie seanie

Quote from: Avondhu star on January 26, 2017, 10:20:45 AM
Quote from: five points on January 26, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
If the clubs actually had a will to fulfil fixtures all summer long, a will "to get on with it", then much of the current malaise would go away.

Nail on head.
Absolutely. Let the county boards tell the clubs play or forfeit. Tell county managers that they are not going to postpone games to suit him and disrupt everyone else.
We have the situation where clubs are playing vital promotion and relegation playoffs in late November and early December. The players and supporters would far prefer games in good weather on a Saturday evening, Sunday or a midweek evening if suitable.
Every club has a delegate to the Divisional board and County board. Let them do their job in the clubs interest

Do you not see how grossly unfair that is for clubs who are supplying players to county teams? At one stage in the last decade we had 7 county senior football panellists. Going out without half your team against other clubs full teams.

Jinxy

Exactly.
Clubs who have no county men will want to play away and clubs who have county men will want to wait until they have them back.
It has ever been thus.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

rrhf

Throw this on its head.. Counties who have revenue stream should reward the clubs standard rates for players to support their real GAA activities ie the the neccessary  community work and 12 years of coaching per county player. 
This would lesson the blow of developing the talent to have it taken away.  I

In hiding

Quote from: five points on January 26, 2017, 09:55:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
If the clubs actually had a will to fulfil fixtures all summer long, a will "to get on with it", then much of the current malaise would go away.

Nail on head.
Aye it's all the clubs fault  ::) how has no one figured this out sooner

shark

Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Exactly.
Clubs who have no county men will want to play away and clubs who have county men will want to wait until they have them back.
It has ever been thus.

True. But I guess we have accept that club league is only a warm up for championship. They won't be without for championship. There is no easy solution. My club always has a handful, and it's a challenge at times to integrate them back in. League games can be tough, especially if we have a few injuries on top. But as one of the players who was never on the county panel, I want those league games to take place no matter what. As scheduled, and relentlessly throughout the summer months. One of the top senior football teams in Westmeath are languishing in division 3 of the league as they have so many county players (mostly county hurlers), but when it comes to championship you wouldn't know. They seem to be able to slide back in effortlessly.