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#1
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
March 18, 2024, 11:22:59 PM
Awful beating for Tipp at the weekend. They're in a sorry state having been on the crest of a wave up to 2020. They lost a few key players to emigration and injury. Football is a second class citizen for most of Tipperary of course also and only the few hardcore men like David Power were keeping them going at a high level. Liam Kearns RIP was amazing for them also. Conor Sweeney will be back for championship I think which will help, but I don't see them beating Clare in 3 weeks.
#2
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division Three 2024
March 18, 2024, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 17, 2024, 08:35:41 PMCredit to Clare to be even in the race for promotion with such a big player turnover and losing a very good long term manager.

Massive credit to their players and management for being in contention and they got screwed by ref in Westmeath game which could have had them in driving seat for promotion.

They'll most likely be in a Munster final also as they'll surely beat Tipp/Waterford, so they've a lot of big games ahead. They are picking off a very small pool so they are a great bunch to be fair to them. That being said they'll be a bit out of their depth currently in Sam Maguire.

Down faltered a bit during this league on occasion, was hoping they'd really push on and be good contenders in Ulster. Might still do, we'll see.
#3
He has a point at this stage you'd have to say. League finals are a hindrance for a lot of county teams and many actively avoid them. It's a consequence of the new structure.

Look at Cavan - they 100% wanted avoid a Div 2 league final on Easter weekend as they are out a week later in a huge game against Monaghan in Ulster championship. Mayo similar in Div 1 - and they learned from their mistake last year.

So when you get the above happening it's time for a change. Unless they move the calendar and the All Ireland finals back a couple of weeks.
#4
GAA Discussion / Re: Sigerson Cup 2024
February 10, 2024, 07:57:39 PM
Glass is fairly legitimate as he was in Oz and came back but you feel there should be an age limit on Sigerson really.
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
January 19, 2024, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 19, 2024, 09:39:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2024, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 19, 2024, 08:07:25 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 19, 2024, 12:14:22 PMI mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 



In fairness, it's mad a Div 1 team, last year and this year, are playing in Junior Championship.

In south Derry you'd be looked down on if that happened. Clubs would nearly take you to court over a technicality to stay in Div. 1 and play senior championship.

If Arva were maybe Div. 1 and played Intermediate, you'd nearly let it slide but junior!  Kerry divisional teams are another joke

Regardless, the inter-county club championships are fantastic and are very enjoyable over the long winter months.  Great viewing at all levels, between the 2 codes.
At the risk of opening another can of worms, I really think the divisional sides are class as they get lads from small clubs playing a far better standard than they normally would.

Do think something needs done about them sending their 9th best to to intermediate though.

Sure don't they have regional championships in Kerry too, like south Kerry champ etc.

Is there 70 odd clubs in Kerry? The Team that finished 3rd in their Div 1 lost the junior champ final.

How on earth is that happening? Are 50 of their clubs playing junior champ?

I really don't know how many times this has to be said before people grasp it. The league is played from March to June and by and large county Seniors and U20s are unavailable. A huge portion of college age players leave for the summer on J1s. A lot of clubs in Kerry would have sizeable contingents of players away in Limerick, Cork and even Dublin. So huge commitment early in the season isn't always possible.
When those players return it quite obviously makes a huge difference for championship. But also, the championships are ultra competitive. I wouldn't have put Milltown-Castlemaine or Listowel in the top 4 rankings of Intermediate or Junior before start of them and I think Austin Stacks or Glenflesk for example would have gone further in Intermediate. But that's the beauty of championship I guess.
#6
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
January 19, 2024, 08:10:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 19, 2024, 08:07:25 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 19, 2024, 12:14:22 PMI mentioned it before, but the biggest issue seems to be they had played, and maintained their division 1 league status, and played in a junior championship. 

Had it been intermediate championship they had won, I would say people, like myself, could reconcile more with that. 

This is coming from my own point of view where, in Armagh, the leagues and championships are linked, the idea of a senior league team entering a junior championship would seem preposterous, and the outcome would be inevitable. 



In fairness, it's mad a Div 1 team, last year and this year, are playing in Junior Championship.

In south Derry you'd be looked down on if that happened. Clubs would nearly take you to court over a technicality to stay in Div. 1 and play senior championship.

If Arva were maybe Div. 1 and played Intermediate, you'd nearly let it slide but junior!  Kerry divisional teams are another joke

Regardless, the inter-county club championships are fantastic and are very enjoyable over the long winter months.  Great viewing at all levels, between the 2 codes.

Kerry divisional teams are a joke? Please elaborate..
#7
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023
January 19, 2024, 04:59:31 PM
It's really blowing my mind that people cannot grasp a non link between league and championship AND have to be told how teams get relegated from championship on top of that!
#8
Kerry v Derry
Dublin v Monaghan
Galway v Mayo
Tyrone v Roscommon - draw

Meath v Fermanagh
Kildare v Cavan
Armagh v Louth
Donegal v Cork

Limerick v Antrim
Clare v Sligo
Offaly v Westmeath
Wicklow v Down

Laois v Longford
Tipperary v Carlow
London v Wexford
Waterford v Leitrim
#9
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 15, 2024, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 15, 2024, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:24:52 PMAnd also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.

I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.

Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.

In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.

12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.



Your logic has no place around here..

Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.

Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.
theres always gonna be no hopers. Say you that then the 23rd or 24th ranked club will have little or no chance of winning the IFC and so on. West Ham are never gonna win the premier league, Louth ain't winning an all ireland, Waterford arent going to win the tailteann cup.

You have a point to a degree, maybe I phrased it wrong. Teams should have a good shot at competing I suppose would be the best way to put it?

The reason we went down to 8 clubs in Kerry SFC is there were 3/4 clubs getting whacked and it was doing nothing for them or the quality of the championship. Hence the cut was made. Now the quality of clubs has risen again and the Intermediate is too strong so need to go back to 10 Senior clubs possibly. Croke park are blocking this though as they say you can only have 16 teams. There are 8 divisional teams.
In my view (and many share it down here) there is nothing wrong with increasing to 10 Senior clubs, keeping 8 divisions but have them play off amongst themselves and get down to 2-4 of divisions. Then start the SFC knockout.
The knock-on effect at Intermediate and Junior would be significant.
#10
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 01:24:52 PMAnd also, I would think most of the people griping about Kerry and the JFC have got things the wrong way around.

I'd suspect that 90% of county SFCs have a deep lining of deadweight teams that have no more chance of winning their county SFC, than they do of winning this year's Super Bowl.

Certainly that's the case in those I'm most familiar with: Down and Armagh.

In such cases, the clubs in question are at senior level by accident rather than design. They should really be playing IFC.

12 teams max per county in their IFC and SFC I suggest.



Your logic has no place around here..

Seriously though, good points. There's no way somebody can tell me there's 16 teams in any county capable of winning SFC.
So barring a county like Cork with enormous numbers of players and clubs it's hard to make an argument for more than 12 teams in SFC.

Also just to reiterate that virtually everybody in Kerry wants to adjust numbers to have 10-12 clubs in SFC. There's 16 in IFC which I don't agree with but anyway. Croke park are the ones blocking the realignment as they are just ignoring the fact that we aren't getting rid of divisional teams.
#11
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
January 14, 2024, 09:08:03 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2024, 11:17:02 AM'At christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had three all irelands "

Id actually dispute that and the farcical championship of 1925 . Mayo were declared all ireland champions after beating wexford in semi final with cavan and kerry been turfed out for fielding illegal players at the time in the other semi final . Galway subsequently played Mayo in a cònnacht final in 1926 and won  as there was no conncaht championship played in 25 for reasons i am unaware of , Mayo were nominated to represent connacht that year and rightfully won the all Ireland , how anyone can strip Mayo of the 1925 all ireland when they were the only county to compete within the rules of said year and won their all ireland series match , were declared champions at the time . Absolute skullduggery of the highest order to strip Mayo of that all ireland victory .

This is where the riding of Mayo started and i say this with a straight face ,we were also robbed of the chancce of a replay in  1948 all Ireland , when the worst decision ever made in a final was made , Mayo were awarded a free kick on the 14 to tap over the bar but bizzarely the referee blew for full time not allowing the kick to be taken even though he awarded the free and cavan take sam  . This treatment by HQ has continued right into the modern era ,one day the truth will be known on cormac reillys cheating in limerick in 2014 , a venue our CB should of refused to travel to in the first place .


To address mr Manning and his disingenuous sniping about bulmers and boot cut jeans , kiss my mayo hole , we beat ye again when it counted sin e . Maybe you will get the upper hand this year , tbh i think we are a year or two away yet from reaching that elite group of competing at the latter stages but the pressure on PJ must be huge with the lolly alone thats been thrown at Galway football .



Good god almighty - Tin foil hat stuff.
#12
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 04:35:52 PMCill Na Martra very poor up front, some amount of wides.

Awful shooting.
#13
This is nothing to write home about. Poor enough.
#14
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 14, 2024, 02:13:49 PMGame far from over but Arva would be far better off being less negative if you ask me. Trying to win at this level in Croker with 15 behind ball is difficult. After the first 10 mins Listowel have them figured out a bit. Eddie Healy and Niall Collins having great games at back for Listowel. Arva 11 and 14 are good if they got more ball and support. Very negative tactics aren't helping though.
Still a goal could swing things either way here.

Fair play to Arva and their mgmt aswell - far better second half and when they pushed up on Listowel they squeezed the life out of them. Some appalling calls by ref, black card especially but nevertheless the better team won. Arva should have won by 10 really in the end with all the chances they missed.
Ciarán Brady obviously was outstanding but 3 and 11 were excellent for Arva aswell I thought.

Listowel weren't tested really since Kerry final and it probably showed. But they ran out of gas a bit and also several big players underperforming didn't help them. They'll benefit from the experience though.
#15
Game far from over but Arva would be far better off being less negative if you ask me. Trying to win at this level in Croker with 15 behind ball is difficult. After the first 10 mins Listowel have them figured out a bit. Eddie Healy and Niall Collins having great games at back for Listowel. Arva 11 and 14 are good if they got more ball and support. Very negative tactics aren't helping though.
Still a goal could swing things either way here.